Nayagan has that epic feel.
Whenever a song or a scene is telecasted we get the feel - this should be the best movie made in Tamil mann!!... forget about thevar magan etsa etsa...
Devar Magan vs Nayagan - A short discussion
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From: Roshan on 31st October 2011 11:54 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Saai
True ! And in Naayagan you would see Velu Nayakar throughout the movie and not Actor Kamal Hassan. But in Devar Magan irrespective all pluses you still see Kamal and not the character.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 12:05 AM [Full View]
Nayagan epic feelku karanam canvas perusu...Oru full filim paatha effect..thevar maganla sila boring scenes undu...especially right after interval konjam slowathan nagarum...nayagan not even a single scene is boring...sethukirupainga!!! Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 12:44 AM [Full View]
At Box Office Thevar Magan was bigger hit than Nayagan. Nayagan is rated as high class movie because of the presentation where people come and talk only few words and photography and direction and sets. All gave rich look. And our Chennai fans fell flat for that movie and of course hype in media such as time magazine. Not to rate Nayagan low but there are other movies of kamal which are better in content and more real in presentation.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:26 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by cinema
what????!!! You say Nayagan is highly rated because of its package and the hype? Bullsh*t!!
I know N number of friends who became kamal haasan fan after watching Nayagan on TV in their teenage- even before Time magazine rated it and without reading any reviews on Nayagan. Nayagan is magical. Whats unreal about the presentation of Nayagan? whats wrong about the content of Nayagan? how do you compare Nayagan with other movies of kamal that you mention?
rich look?...we are not talking about gouthan vasudev menon - HJ- Antony here . We are talking about kamal - mani -ir -thotta tharani...
If I watch Thevar magan tommorow, I might revert my stand. Thats a different story. All that I say here is - Nayagan has that epic feel that no other Tamil movie , as far as I consider, managed to create(atleast from kamal/rajni generation).
what does your first line mean? ow is it relevant here?...Dasavatharam was a bigger hit than thevar magan..so what?
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 01:31 AM [Full View]
I mentioned box office record basically to argue the notion that nayagan was more entertaining than thevar magan. As I said Nayagan is one of my favorites but I liked some other movies kamal more than this. Again it is my opinion.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:35 AM [Full View]
please read the first three lines of your previous post - you are not talking about your preference - you are judging "why people liked/highly rated Nayagan" and you give your own reasons. Originally Posted by cinema
Box office hit doesnt mean the movie is really entertaining - Dasavatharam is more entertaining than MMKR? ...
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 01:37 AM [Full View]
again just argument, I think we got into circle. I found few other movies of Kamal more entertaining than Nayagan. Let us end it here.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:38 AM [Full View]
cool Originally Posted by cinema
konjam unarchivasapatuten
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 01:53 AM [Full View]
No problem. I am die hard fan of Kamal so I did not have any intention to bring down Nayagan. I do agree with the perception that Nayagan is the greatest in Kamal's resume. But I tend to disagree with that and that is all. Nayagan excels in presentation and performance but lacks the treatment of content, which I thought was at surface level.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:20 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Saai
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 08:27 AM [Full View]
Nayagan sethukiruppainggalO? Nayagan is inspired by. Devar Magan is inspirational. Period.
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From: NOV on 1st November 2011 08:32 AM [Full View]
both inspired from same source... Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:35 AM [Full View]
..... Originally Posted by Jim Jarmusch
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From: NOV on 1st November 2011 08:46 AM [Full View]
bala, edhukku ivlo periya lecture? I am ok with inspirations...
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 08:46 AM [Full View]
Nayagan multiple source. Watch Once Upon A Time in America. DM, only the clash of the clan part and handing over power, which is like, duh, everywhere. But the content is original. Originally Posted by NOV
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:46 AM [Full View]
Grouch,
I think you made a reference to Led Zeppelin in another similar discussion - avingala vida easy-a "inspire" aagara group unda, illa Clapton-aye eduthukkuvom. It doesn't matter a wee little bit, illaya? All this recent DVD/Torrent fired aarvakkolaaru and sense of discovery has already gone off limits. Tarrantino has made an entire career on inspiration and "celebrates" it - thos of us who like his movies, idhellam namakku theriyaadha? Such arguments will tantamount to rendering the whole carnatic circuit "creativity-starved unoriginal mimics"
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:47 AM [Full View]
Not for you NOV (and ithunoondu "quote ivalavu periya lecture-a"? Originally Posted by NOV
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Just used this as a context
Recent-a oru thread la IMDB inspirations link-a konja naalaikku munnaadi discover pannittu Eureka nu kudhichukittu hi-five kuduthukkaraanga. Internet la indha phenomenon bayangarama paravitrukku
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 08:49 AM [Full View]
Arambuttula I was very anal about all this inspiration thingy. But this, as you aptly put...made me feel dirty, like in the company of low-grade commentators at the last few pages of youtube comment section. Seriously, as you say, it's too much. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:51 AM [Full View]
I've had my share of "moments" too :auuuuu:
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 09:35 AM [Full View]
Nayagan had some scenes which came in Godfather3, released after nayagan......Nayagan is inspirational too Originally Posted by groucho070
and ofcourse the endless list of Indian movies which consider Nayagan as the reference material.....i dont think devar magan enjoys that status in Indian cinema.......
Godfather was excessively cold to emphasise the ruthlessness of Michael Corleone, but Nayagan has multiple layers of emotions in each scene, each scene, mind you.......Mani sir modified the entire tone of the movie.....
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 09:42 AM [Full View]
As I said, I soften my stance on the inspiration thingy. And I'd love to know what scenes were in GF3, that Nayagan already had?Don't tell me the wail after son/daughter died thingy. It was slightly modified from "But you need to have a drink" scene, wherelse in Nayagan they'd hesitate to show him the body. Kamal the intelligent actor he is, knows that he can't do "Look at how they massacred my boy" with crack in the voice, Tamizh film audience needs tears and wailing (ellam NT kittilirenthu vanthathu), so off he goes... Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 10:12 AM [Full View]
Yes , Mani being the director of that movie is one big reason for that status. Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 10:23 AM [Full View]
Indha indian cinemala statusngaradhu enna? Which are the indian cinema inspired by nayagan?Thevar Magan takes off from Godfather but has brilliant original content and spin of its own. Nayagan by and large - rise and fall of a godfather. Localisation applies.Nayagan is a fine film and brings lump to the throat, indeed. Epic feel, granted saai's point. And thevar magan doesn't have epic deel is not a shortcoming - it is just the nature of the movie. In many ways, TM is a superior and more satisfying product.That doesn't take away from Amni sir ofcourse. Nayagan might be Mani sir's best, in my reading.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 10:26 AM [Full View]
And being inspired from Nayagan - except Dayavan, which movies?Aatank hi aatank(Rajni-Aamir) - clearly inspired from the original Godfather than NayaganAbhimanyu(mohanlal - Mal) - again Godfather more of an inspiration than NayaganVERa enna Nayagan-inspired movies?
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 10:31 AM [Full View]
And for those who don't know, brace your hearts(you, especially, grouch) there is a Godfather inspired indhi movie with Abbas(yes, "what a man" abbas) playing the younger son drawin into a reluctant heir roleMaybe Maddy would say that wasa Nayagan inspired rather.My view: since Nayagan was heavily inspired by Godfather, we run the risk of tagging every Godfather copy/inspiration as Nayagan copy/inspiration. Otoh, thevar magan wasn't about Godfather inspiration. That was a tangential part of it, taken to serve Kamal's cinematic vision, capture of the maNN and maindhars he knows like the back of his hand and his social concerns and anguish. Mind boggles at the level of achievement straddling all these aspects while, on the surface, giving an entertaining (masala even) movie
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From: sathya_1979 on 1st November 2011 10:59 AM [Full View]
TM (Thevar Magar, not Thirumaran) masala? No Way, one of the epics by Kamal Sir!
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From: directhit on 1st November 2011 11:14 AM [Full View]
a genuine doubt - seen this many times in the hub, why isnt Bharathan credited for TM? well Kamal ghost directs his singeedham/ksr movies etc but does it apply to someone of Bharathan's stature as well. Is there an inside story that Kamal took over the movie at some point of time etc
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 11:14 AM [Full View]
Engga Maddy kAnom. I wanted Nayagan scenes that predate GF3. Am not challenging or what, chumma therinjikkalAmnu
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 11:16 AM [Full View]
High class masala. Saffron, kiffron ellam pOttu senjirupAngga. And to draw the best out of NT, we NT fans are forever grateful. Originally Posted by sathya_1979
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 11:16 AM [Full View]
Bharathan ku naduvula udambu mudiyama poiduchu nu padichadha nyabagam. Originally Posted by directhit
a genuine doubt - seen this many times in the hub, why isnt Bharathan credited for TM? well Kamal ghost directs his singeedham/ksr movies etc but does it apply to someone of Bharathan's stature as well. Is there an inside story that Kamal took over the movie at some point of time etc
Creative differences edhavadhu irundhucha theriyala
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From: directhit on 1st November 2011 11:18 AM [Full View]
oh ok, ungalaye kekkanumnu nanachu marandhu pona questions la onnu Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 11:48 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by cinema
aahaa..vishayathaye mathitingalee! In Kamal's resume as an actor - Guna, MMKR Tops my list.Nayagan kooda paakum podhuthaan...rendu naal kalichu keteengannaaa Thevar magan apdinu manapaadama solluveen.
adheppadi? Contentwise it is very comprehensive thaana?...what is lacking..nejama therla..what is that you see as a surface level treatment?..enna depth edhirpakureenga?...every charecter in the movie is well established Originally Posted by cinema
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From: Roshan on 1st November 2011 11:57 AM [Full View]
True ! And Grouch is anyway not going to give up on Devar Magan for obvious reasons Originally Posted by MADDY
Nayagan had some scenes which came in Godfather3, released after nayagan......Nayagan is inspirational too and ofcourse the endless list of Indian movies which consider Nayagan as the reference material.....i dont think devar magan enjoys that status in Indian cinema.......
Godfather was excessively cold to emphasise the ruthlessness of Michael Corleone, but Nayagan has multiple layers of emotions in each scene, each scene, mind you.......Mani sir modified the entire tone of the movie.....
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 12:11 PM [Full View]
Roshan, the obvious reason I think you are stating is one of the reasons for its greatness.. I bolded that for Kamal fans before they take uruddu katta.
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From: Roshan on 1st November 2011 12:15 PM [Full View]
Devar Magan is great..but it had the touches of other Kamal directed/ghost directed movies. As a result you would see Kamal mostly and not the character. As a fan of Kamal, the actor (I prefer the actor to the writer) I would pick Nayagan over DM anyday. Nayagan is a once in a life time performance whereas Devar Magan is not. Kamal-E nenechaalum Nayagan maathiri innoru performance kodukka mudiyaathu.
And in terms of making, Nayagan is a trend setter - whether inspired, lifted, copied or what ever. There's no two words about it. One of the best of Maniratnam flics and THE best of Kamal the actor.
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 12:16 PM [Full View]
இதுல என்ன ஒளிவு மறைவு ..நடிகர் திலகம் இல்லாத தேவர் மகன் இந்த அளவுக்கு அற்புதமான படமாக இருந்திருக்காது .
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:17 PM [Full View]
Nayagan did not get into the minds of the Dharavi folks. Yes, the marginalised slum-dwelling, pulam peyarndha folks flavour was there but dealt at a surface level only. It was Godfather marries Robinhood-MGR. kezhavi willing to give her life for Velu Naicker, yes. But it is just a surface level detail - very emotionally, and movingly presented detail - Mani doesnt get into the nuances of the mind of dharavi cheri vaazh tamizhargaL. There is ZERO opposition to Naicker among tamilians in Dharavi in the movie, for instance. Ask Varadaraja Mudaliar about whether that reflects reality.
Thevar Magan on the other hand, while - and I will claim this till death - being a masala movie at the surface level, strikes depth of characterisation, capture of ethnicity and lifestyle/vaazhviyal(warts and all), a purely intellectual delineation of Godfather for those willing and desparate to dig deep into cinematic references and so forth...the multiple levels of achievement not even counting the Social anguish, concern of Kamal coming across without an iota of preaching.
Maddy likes to highlight that Mani Sir doesnt judge and that's a superior quality in a film-maker. Kamal judges his people, and that judgement defines the movie. And the movie is elevated for that reason. In my view, making a judgement, and still presenting a movie that doesnt feel odd or preachy or eager to present its maker's viewpoint is much more difficult than taking a blanket decision to not judge at all at the outset - which conveniently helps you to graze nuni pul and even help as an excuse for not delving into depths.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:18 PM [Full View]
What trend did Nayagan set? How many movies like Nayagan were made post 1987 - kamaan, talk me
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:19 PM [Full View]
And how many of them were sister concerns of Nayagan - in that they were also inspired by Godfather like Nayagan - as opposed to progenies of Nayagan?
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 12:19 PM [Full View]
Of course! Nenachaale pullarikkidhu Originally Posted by joe
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 12:20 PM [Full View]
Fair enough ..But as a movie , DM is equal if not better ..As a fan of NT and Kamal , DM is lifetime movie for me Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:20 PM [Full View]
Thevar Magan performance - oh yeah not his greatest. There wasnt much scope like Nayagan(which will make it to the top 3 of most Kamal the actor's fans list) or even Hey Ram(which wont make it).
We can say Kamal acted better in Nayagan than in Thevar Magan, maybe but that doesnt make Nayagan a better product than Thevar Magan
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
absoleetly. Originally Posted by joe
Apart from the other layers, the real life resonance of Sivaji saying to Kamal "ungaLa vittA yAru irukkA", idhelLAm apdiyE varudhu dhAnE?
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
KamalE nenechAlum, athe performance pannalAm, it's too easy for him. Plus the Corleone performers influence (I didn't say Copy) is there, and easily revokable. Devar Magan, the transformed Kamal, there goes but a wretched man. A failure in personal relationship, immediately thrust into shouldering heavy burden, maaaan....that is a performance I am not sure Kamal can repeat. Plus there's no longer NT around, as his presence was felt throughout the film.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:26 PM [Full View]
Bala, Bharathan had creative differences nu padichA mAdhiri gnAbagam...he was even frustratednu padichEnE?
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:27 PM [Full View]
unga aLavu NT and Kamal fanA illAttAlum, it is a lifetime movie for me also Originally Posted by joe
Fair enough ..But as a movie , DM is equal if not better ..As a fan of NT and Kamal , DM is lifetime movie for me
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From: Roshan on 1st November 2011 12:29 PM [Full View]
There's no disagreement here at all. Originally Posted by joe
As long as I am concerned - if I am given an option to watch/pick between DM and Nayagan - anytime and anyday I would go for Nayagan, primarily for Kamal's performance and then for that ever refreshing tone in terms of making, performances of the support cast, music and other technical stuff. It's a complete movie IMO.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 12:29 PM [Full View]
Actually i very vaguely remember reading/hearing a reference to the alleged creative differences (OTOH Bharathan illness pathi padichen, kandippa). What i don't remember is whether the said post/conversation confirmed or rejected the allegation. Now that you mention it, maybe there was. Plus, Bharathan was not well, or maybe that was the "polished" reason given to cover the fallout Originally Posted by Plum
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 12:29 PM [Full View]
Kamaan, look at me, look at me. One of the greatest scenes in the history of cinema:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajOWloDcwM
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From: Kalyasi on 1st November 2011 12:32 PM [Full View]
Bala anna Sowkiyama?? Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 12:34 PM [Full View]
yenya oppise-la azha vaikkureenga
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 12:36 PM [Full View]
IppO varuttapadurEn. There goes my day 
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 12:41 PM [Full View]
nyayamathan paduthu..but still the movie is not about the dharavi people isnt it?. it is about a single man - Velu nayakar and his life. In that sense, it has covered a lot of ground isnt it- Velu nayakara nuni pul meyalaye... Originally Posted by Plum
anyway progidhargal pesureenga...continue
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From: sathya_1979 on 1st November 2011 12:42 PM [Full View]
konjam medhuvaa discuss paNNunga saar. oru glass thaNNi kudiikaradhukkuLLa 2 page Odudhu.
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From: NOV on 1st November 2011 12:49 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Kalyasi
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:51 PM [Full View]
saai - purohidargaL, which I am not anyway. Kamal padangaL paththi discussiongaradhAla konjam shoulder EthittEn.
It is not about them, saai, you are right, It is about naicker and his life, and that is precisely you have the epic feel, which I certainly see from your POV that Thevar Magan lacks. But apdiyE irundhAlum, what about this man made that kezhavi pour herself with krishnaail? apdingaRadhu romba surface level-la dhAn irundhudhu - settu voota dwamsam paNNAr, doctorai meratti treatment paNNA vechAr types. And mumbaikku pulam peyarndhu DON_A uyarugiravan, Mani covers the rather easy(masala friendly) parts only. A calculated RichReddy-marries-PowerfulKamma wedding of Masala elements and aesthetics, no doubt. But lacks the natural love between Kamal, the creator and Thevar Magan, the product.
I'd have to accept Cinema's view that the USP was the other features like Music, CInematography, Thotta Tharani etc. Afterall, kezhavi willing to give her life for Robinhood ellAm MGR kAlaththu emotion dhAnE? ( I mean the way it was presented and milked for sentiment, albeit in a completely captivating way. You can always say that father-son bonding ellAm sivaji kAlathu emotion dhAnE - but the way it came in Thevar Magan was not your usual run of the mill).
Thevar Magan doesnt milk its moments for sentiment anywhere.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 12:52 PM [Full View]
And Saai, the discussion was triggered, I think, primarily on the one word in your original post - "sedhukkurippainga". In my view - one I suspec tis shared by Joe, Bala etc- that is more true of Thevar Magan than Nayagan.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:05 PM [Full View]
that was meant purely with respect to "entertainment quotient" . Context is - Thevar magan has some boring scenes after interval but Nayagan is completely entertaining. Quality, depth pathilaam naan commit pannikave illa.. Originally Posted by Plum
sethukirupainga - ella scenum engrossing nu sonnen... scenes till revathi's marriage i thevar magan was little nggaaa....
may be I would have liked those scenes if they were played by meena as it was initially planned...revathi set-e aavala in mind in this movie [ Aan paavam revathi fan apdingradhu vera vishayam]
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From: HonestRaj on 1st November 2011 01:06 PM [Full View]
nan oru sirppi madhiri.. eppadi sedhukkaren parthiya
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 01:12 PM [Full View]
Vikki Originally Posted by Saai
Un crime rate kooditte pogudhu i say! Meena Kumari over Revadhi??
And post-interval Kamal-Anni, Kamal-Revathy scenes ellam pramaadham...
In fact, i even loved the "idhaaru? idhaaru?" routine by Gandhimathi "Naan enna kaasu panamaa ketten?..."
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 01:14 PM [Full View]
And the intro - best for Kamal till date
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 01:14 PM [Full View]
Meena? 1991? Doubt it.may be I would have liked those scenes if they were played by meena as it was initially planned...
AFAIK - and you must note this with trepidation - the one who was considered before Revathi was, hold your breath, that 'fresh breath' of homely air from 'New Spring', Ms. Sithara.
Ms Sithara claimed later, post movie release, that she rejected the role because "As you must have seen in the movie, saRRu aLavukkadhigamAna nerukkamAna kAtchigaL irundhadhAl"
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 01:19 PM [Full View]
omamamia! Revathi was perfect, as was Gouthami. Only thing I didn't like in that film was Gouthami's Inglis, remba put-on mathiri terinjadhu. But that's nothing.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:35 PM [Full View]
I also loved the gandhimathi bit Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
anni sceneslam perfect thaan...might have been because of two reasons
1)revathi looked old in this movie.
2)after-effect of shivaji's performance.
I will stop here... Thevar magan has been my most fav movie for long time and I dont want to talk so long against it.
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:39 PM [Full View]
sitharavaa!!!! sutham.. Originally Posted by Plum
I have always thought Meena was first offered the role and she was not able to do it because of dates - read this somehwere
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:45 PM [Full View]
thalaivar kooda oru scenela (as per the requirements of the scene) konjam thookala pesirupapla... periya thevar kaivasamum aal irukkunu kaamikka!! Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 01:49 PM [Full View]
Revathi-ya avlo innocenta pakaradhukku konjam uruthala irundhuchu Bala...nalla ferfamans thaan..but "ezhu kazhudha vayasavudhu...." effectu irundhuchu over her innocence.. I couldnt sympathize with Revathi's charecter that much in spite of her performance.. "goat caught between the headlights" effect sariya varla... Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Meena would have fit the role - think about Ejamaan meena Performance lam thalaivar vangiruparu!
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 01:50 PM [Full View]
That "neem" scene. The way Kamal say it. Margo soap parkumbothEllam antha scene gnabagam varuthu
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 02:06 PM [Full View]
saai, enakku ippO sariyA gnAbaam illai. Per the screenplay, Revathy character kalyANam thaLLi thaLLi pOyi oru mudhir kanni character illai?
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From: rsubras on 1st November 2011 02:07 PM [Full View]
yes, Meena herself gave the interview that she is doing the role in Anandha Vikatan months before the movie came..if i am right, athulaye than kamal gautami ya pachak nu kiss adichaaru a.l.a punnagai mannan style num irunthathu Originally Posted by Saai
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From: Saai on 1st November 2011 02:10 PM [Full View]
apdi edhum suggest panandha therlaye Originally Posted by Plum
"idhu namma aalu" bagyaraj madhiri syllabusa mulusa padikama purogidhargal nadula swaga mattum sollitruken...
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 02:15 PM [Full View]
Nayagan ferformance is good.
But as a movie it has depth of a rainy day puddle.
"pramaadhamA nadicheenga thambi, aanaa plAsaby paththalai"
Depth dhaan mukkiyamA, anga enna keNarA vettikittu irukkaainga-nu kEkkalaam.
Depth after all is just one attribute of a film and is a matter of taste/preference etc.
But taste/preference dhaanE central in all panjAyathugaL
thEvar magan paththi ezhudhaNumnA, all essay type dhaan.
Work is worship.
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From: HonestRaj on 1st November 2011 02:19 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
indha varthaigalai ippathEn nan post pannEn
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 02:22 PM [Full View]
mudhir ellAm sollappadalai, Flau neer Revadhingradhaala defend paNreer.
Hindila yeng lady Tabu - thinging man's pin-up gael.
But Kannada-la real youth, but nuanced performer... Laila
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 03:04 PM [Full View]
the last scene in godfather 3 is too close to Nayagan and maniratnam has claimed reverse inspiration from Nayagan.... Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:06 PM [Full View]
ennOda 13 varusha indernet experiencela, nobody has written better about thevar magan than OISG in this page
Excerpts:
andha unabashed copy phrase konjam over dhAn for Nayagan, thoughMR saw it and made Nayagan, a work vacillating between inspired and unabashed copy. Scores of Indian film makers saw and we may even have a Ramarajan or a Rahul Roy version
. But none has seen the movie the way Kamal had seen and with an Indian perspective. When all other versions would simply go down the drain as “copied” Kamal’s Devar Magan will alone stand the test of time under “Inspired” column.
From IR to PCS on the back screen and from Sivaji to KaLLapart on screen, I am able to see Kamal’s contribution, his all pervading greed to make a memorable movie and to touch a chord the way C V Sridhar attempted in the 1960s and Mahendran in the late 70s.run-down story of village feud, few feudalistic lords throwing up tantrums, violence, some mega scenes and where does the “inspiration from Godfather” come from?
1.Puzo’s characters were excerpts from real Lanksys and Al Capones from the Bronx and so are Kamal’s characters -you could bump into any one or all of them from Manamadurai to Kariapatti to Theni. Right from conducting a car festival to handing down the charge to wards, everything is fixed; the laws and rules, never written, but never would they change for centuries.
2. A touch of irony –the values attached to family and family life by both Sicillians and the Devar Community despite their trigger-happy daily life.
3. A wayward first son- not the right choice to take over
4. An introvert second son who takes up the job reluctantly
5. A love abroad
6. Portrayal of father –son relationship. Vito’s belief in Michael tallies with Periya Thevar’s confidence in Shakthi.
7.Kay’s walkout and Gauthami’s
8. The confusions of Kallapart and his Italian counterpart in Godfather
9. Roth’s looks and Kaka Radhakrishnan’s
Above all Kamal could indianize the subtle violence – “kaLuvura kailaE thinganum thingara kailE kaLuvanum” is the synopsis of violence equivalent to “Made him an offer he can’t refuse”
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:08 PM [Full View]
Some typical OISG humour from the same page:
Feroz Khan saw Godfather, made the atrocious Dharmathma and if Hagen had seen it I am sure the horse’s head would have be replaced by Feroz’sChitra won the national for her the Hindi “Inji iduppazhaga”. You get an advantage when singing with Kumar Sanu – even I would sound like SPB/BMK if Sanu is my co-singerTo become an HCIRF listen to the Hindi version’s songs by Anu Malik.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 03:12 PM [Full View]
im not talking trend, its used as reference...........almost alll RGV movies, don movies since Nayagan have taken nayagan as reference work.........Nayagan/Maniratnam was taken as a study material in one of the film institutes in far land.......well u can also say, it was a lesson on how "not to make a film" Originally Posted by Plum
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:14 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Balaji(bb), a hostel mate of mine, who runs, Dhool,
On paper, the story looks like one that could have been split into 2-3 films. A history of feud between brothers, a son who has left the village and has become alien to its sentiments, a love affair between the son and an urban girl, rising tensions between the two families, death of the father and the son's ascension to the throne, the sacrifice of his love, his coming to terms with his new naive wife, his desire for an egalitarian social setup and to get rid of the feudal landscape, the sabotage of the village ceremony and the final climax.. phew! These are subjects that are worth a detailed look over several films
He agrees with our saai:Devar Magan has given some of the most memorable scenes in tamil movies. The scene featuring Sivaji Ganesan and Kamal where Sivaji tries to persuade Kamal to stay back, with rain falling on the background, was one of the best scenes featuring Sivaji in a long time. The close-up side shot of Kamal and Nasser warning each other has been done over and over in several films. A simple shot of Revathi feeling a tickle and thinking that it was Kamal only to realize that it was not him but a strand of flowers in her first night, was such a poetic way of portraying the situation. Good films boast a couple of great scenes. Devar Magan had at least half a dozen
And here's some cud for DH and Bala to chew:It was Revathi's performance that I didn't quite agree with. She won the best supporting actress national award for her role, but I thought it was an amateurish caricature of a simple village girl. Every scene with Revathi seemed to tell me that she was consciously portraying a naive girl
Koot observation:It is hard to say what Bharathan contributed to the film. In Kamal's films, the directors are usually dummies, but Bharathan was not a pushover either. There were stories of a rift between Kamal and Bharathan during the filming
Just as the first interlude starts, the village women wading through red chillies on brown earth in slow motion, was the best piece of editing to go along with the music, since the jump of sheep synchronized to the music in "azhagiya kaNNE
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:15 PM [Full View]
A word on supporting performances, which must be mentioned, since they were the bulwark of the movie.
Thalaivasal Vijay, Kaakkaa Radhakrishnan, Vadivelu, S.N.Lakshmi, even Sangili Murugan and Madan Bob did well. Renuka went unnoticed in her role as Thalaivasal Vijay's wife, till she hit big time with her TV serials.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:18 PM [Full View]
Maddy, no offence but ippollAm idhu sarva sAdhAraNamA nadakkudhu - Karan Johar name is Khan, Some Sunjay Dutt movie ripped off Korea, yeah I remember, Zinda idhelLAm kooda EdhO university libraryla study materialA serthukittAhaLAm.Nayagan/Maniratnam was taken as a study material in one of the film institutes in far land.......
More importantly, indhiya thirai ulagula, what impact it made. RGV, IMO, had his own independent inspiration of Godfather.
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 03:18 PM [Full View]
aNNi rEnuha: tear paanu(kutriyal ugaram)
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:27 PM [Full View]
From Saravanan(all these folks were popular hubbers before they went over to Dhool), an encyclopaedia to rival(or even outrival) Murali Srinivas, in the same page:
First, an appraisal on engaL thanga rAsa!
This song, along with the other bits, is perhaps the haunting soul of the movie. And all the bits put together, the short Sivaji version (his unforgettable ‘yEi kutti kazhuthai…paadhilaya thodangRathu, mudha adiya paadRee’), the heartrending 'vaanam thottup pOna maanamuLLa saami' and ‘vettaRuva thaangi veesugiRa ooril’ both beginning with the chorus voices, with SPB taking over in style, and ending with 'pOtRip paadadip poNNE', manage to narrate the entire story.This bit for honest:OISG often feels that Devar Magan is an example of a “Complete film” and I find myself agreeing with him. And as you have written, the film has so many unforgettable scenes with ample scope for nearly every actor to have his/share of the limelight. Gowthami’s train scene was an eye-opener about her acting capabilities.. her ‘Go..man..go’ was filled with so much repressed anguish. Kallapart Natarajan’s performance when Revathi’s marriage gets stalled (one wonders what serendipity made Kamal recall such forgotten old-timers like Kallapart and Kaka!), Vadivelu’s dialogue about the loss of his hand, S.N.Lakshmi telling Kamal to go ahead and kill her son…these are scenes that stand out with among the best performances that Tamil Cinema has ever come across. A great film.
Btw, other films that were released for Deepavali ’92: Rajini’s Pandiyan, Satyaraj’s Thirumathi Pazhanisami, Saratkumar’s Thaaimozhi, Prabhu’s Senthamizh Paattu, Bhagyaraj’s Rasukkutti, and Vijayakanth’s Kaaviyathalaivan.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 03:27 PM [Full View]
Story of Philosophy-nnu oru book irukku, Nayagan paakumbodhu, adha padichhitte paatha, oru alavukku balance aayidum Originally Posted by P_R
Nayagan ferformance is good.
But as a movie it has depth of a rainy day puddle.
"pramaadhamA nadicheenga thambi, aanaa plAsaby paththalai"
Depth dhaan mukkiyamA, anga enna keNarA vettikittu irukkaainga-nu kEkkalaam.
Depth after all is just one attribute of a film and is a matter of taste/preference etc.
But taste/preference dhaanE central in all panjAyathugaL
thEvar magan paththi ezhudhaNumnA, all essay type dhaan.
Work is worship.
i may concede DM is the better movie than Nayagan in terms of cinematic grammar etc but the way Nayagan connects u to velu and his life, DM couldnt.........
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:28 PM [Full View]
Note that 6 our of the 7 Deepavali movies had IR scoring music. This was probably the last Deepavali that happened
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:30 PM [Full View]
And this from - which you can expect only from - our own app_engine:
This was in 2005. adhukkappuRam pArthArA theriyalaYou guys have kindled my interest to watch this movie...Though I loved the songs, I never cared for this film before (because of having enough of violence on screen and the title of the name smells blood) Looks like there had been a few good scenes with great performance by Sivaji and others...will watch in the next opportunity...
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:32 PM [Full View]
From some unknown person:
Earlier Kamal would have said..he will start a restaurant in a city....
Sivaji would react to that in this scene..by telling Kamal to include
himself in the restaurant for the Grinding job.... he would struggle
to tell the word Grinder....instead he would say..intha...ithuu ...athaaamla
intha.. ithu and at the same time...his actions will be that of grinding...
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 03:38 PM [Full View]
ippa adhellam onnum periya vishayam illa - im talking abt long back........sachin 100 adichharu, yuvraaj century adichaan - vithyasam illaya?? Originally Posted by Plum
neenga aatank hi aatank ellam solliteengale examples-a, appuram naa solla enna irukku..........maniratnam pretty much single handedly brought the dons out of caves with flashing bulbs to underbelly of mumbai (in terms of films ofcourse)........kamal himself acknowledges the importance of Nayagan in TFI and im sure he wont disagree in terms of IFI as well.....
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From: Roshan on 1st November 2011 03:47 PM [Full View]
I agree with Sai, about Revathi in DM. Suththamaa ottaatha character.
And in Naayagan I dont have any complaints about any characters. Every character and the way it was written were just appropriate. maelum cinematography, sound, style of dialogues, stunt, art direction -elllaa vagaiyilum Naayagan is a trend setter.
And at National/International level - Naayagan is far ahead in terms of recognition. You talk to any non-Tamilina Indian (or even Pakistani or Nepali or Bangladeshi) and mention Kamal's name - the two characters that they would recall at once are; Velu Nayakar and Appu Raja. DM paththiyellaam avangaLukku theriyurathukku vaippae illa (yaethO ennaala mudinjathu )
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From: groucho070 on 1st November 2011 03:53 PM [Full View]
Puriyila. Which scene? Pacino's wail? AthAn muthaleye sollitEnE. Son die, papa cry. Daughter die, papa cry. It's performance. You said Originally Posted by MADDY
what other scenes? Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:54 PM [Full View]
Maddy, many films were inspired by Godfather adhukkAga adhaiyum maniyAr kaNakkula sErthukaRIngaLE
Aaatank Hi Aatank pArtuhrukkIngaLA? The Abbas as Michael Corelone padam pArthurukkIngaLA? adhellAm sisters of Nayagan sir, not progeny.
What do you think of Feroz Khan's Dharmatma? Adhuvum Nayagan inspirationngarIngaLA?
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 03:54 PM [Full View]
Pacino's wail is more reminiscent of "Ran" climoks (which is again similar to Thalabadhi climoks)
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:56 PM [Full View]
As I said, Ram Gopal Varma video kadai vechurundhAr. Godfather Video Cassette ai thechu thecu dhAn cinema kathukittAr. idhellAm nadandha kAla kattam before 1987. In 1987, RGV was already trying out in Cinema world. avaraiyum Nayagan inspiration kaNakkula sErthukaRInga?
Did he list Nayagan or Godfather in Sarkar title as inspiration? You can say he lies but looking at his life chronology, by the time Nayagan came, his influences had already been shaped-nu theriyudhu.
idhu varaikkin nInga Nayagan inspired apdinnu kuRipittu solRA mAdhiri edhuvumE strong point sollalai for subsequent cinema in India.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 03:57 PM [Full View]
romba gavanamA, music-ai exclude paNNi irukkIngamaelum cinematography, sound, style of dialogues, stunt, art direction -elllaa vagaiyilum Naayagan is a trend setter.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 04:01 PM [Full View]
North Indiala Sivaji is better known than mullum malarum
generalA veLinAttAr maddhiyila Endhiran better known than muLLum malarum. adhukkAga?
ennanga idhaiyellAm oru pointA eduthuttu vandhu argue paNdrInga?
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 04:38 PM [Full View]
There's some merit to this. Something that shouldn't be brushed aside. Originally Posted by Roshan
And at National/International level - Naayagan is far ahead in terms of recognition. You talk to any non-Tamilina Indian (or even Pakistani or Nepali or Bangladeshi) and mention Kamal's name - the two characters that they would recall at once are; Velu Nayakar and Appu Raja. DM paththiyellaam avangaLukku theriyurathukku vaippae illa (yaethO ennaala mudinjathu )
It's more 'universal' (and it's consumption across states would testify to that) than DM, I'd think. But the subject matter governs this. And in whatever they strived to do, latter is a far more accomplished film. Bharathan-KH eye for rusticity & loaded meaning might always limit universality of DM. But of the two films, DM seems more timeless. Nayagan strives for the spectacle.
Moreover, the digital reproduction of DM is pretty poor. We still don't have a proper transfer. All the work put in production & editing is cut out by scissors & converted to different aspect ratio. And an orange tint added to it. (whether it's a collaborative idea to give a 'feudal look' is not out of question) But they have abused the original wide cinemascope, with lot of care taken to achieve the mis-en-scene, both spatially & temporally, in its movement.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 04:40 PM [Full View]
ellame performance dhaanga Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 04:45 PM [Full View]
Infact, even after Dayavan, Nayagan's direct remake, there was no discernible influence in Hindi Cinema which went a whole decade about Roses, weddings, engagements and luvs before Satya turned the tables.Idhula epdi nayagan influenced Indian cinema?
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 04:47 PM [Full View]
i said that as a mock - aatank hi aatank ellam nayagan-oda sister-nnu sonna enna solradhu.......... Originally Posted by Plum
Maddy, many films were inspired by Godfather adhukkAga adhaiyum maniyAr kaNakkula sErthukaRIngaLE
Aaatank Hi Aatank pArtuhrukkIngaLA? The Abbas as Michael Corelone padam pArthurukkIngaLA? adhellAm sisters of Nayagan sir, not progeny.
What do you think of Feroz Khan's Dharmatma? Adhuvum Nayagan inspirationngarIngaLA?
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 04:49 PM [Full View]
infact there is a lesser known movie called "Khosla ka ghosla" directed by the very talented dibakar banerjee which has been the best adaptation of godfather ive seen........it beats Devar Magan black and blue
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 04:54 PM [Full View]
When I say Nayagan strives for the spectacle, I don't necessarily mean it in a bad way. But to use a Godardian expression, Mani seems trapped by the false glitter of the picturesque.
For example, I'd be more emotionally invested in Clara of Thoovana, Zeenat of Mandi, or the ones in Guna than somewhat compromised depiction of Neela in Nayagan.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 05:03 PM [Full View]
Maddy, ennanga kovichukkaringa?(Khosla ka ghosla beats thevar magan? Ipdi ellam statement solringale thavira substantiate panna maatringa. And. I think this sytatement wasmade in anger, right?)Naan enna sonnen?Godfather inspiredA pala movies vandhudhu. Nayagan is one. AHA is another. Andha arthathula sistersnu sonnen(not progeny adhaavadhu not inspired by nayagan)Idhu varaikkum ninga sonna points without substantiation1. Nayagan impacted indian cinema in a way thevar magan didn't. What way? Specific examples. Idhukkum naan dhaan aatank hi aatank eduthu kodukka vendi irundhudhu although that owes to Godfather rather than Nayagan.2. Far away landla film study of nayagan - enge? Eppo?3. Khosla ka ghosla is an inspiration of godfather. How?Ninga what-ai vida how pesiningannA enakku konjam usefulA irukkum. Adhukkaga dhaan ipdillam discussion trigger pandradhu
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 05:05 PM [Full View]
Edhukku solREnnA, 6 varushathukkappuramum OISG post gnaabagam irukkunna adhukku karaNam it talks about "how" rather than "what". Apdi edhaavadhu pottinganna, 2017la unga post-ai quote panni innoru forumla pOduvEn
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 05:07 PM [Full View]
Let's not rewrite history. Nayagan did influence a whole generation later, from Agneepath to Maqbool (there's even a throw away reference to Mani).. Its careful depiction of violence for one thing. The immediate legacy was RGV.
Although I wish they had considered Rama Shetty in place of Velu Naicker.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 05:11 PM [Full View]
Ennadhu RGVyA? No way. The man had his influences shaped well before Nayagan. Agneepath? Maqbool? Again, tell me how. This looks like new history to me
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 05:20 PM [Full View]
The emphasis on proper outdoor location than having to do it in a technicolor studio. To choreograph proper action set-pieces with blood dripping out on hands & pumpset (cycle chain, crowbar, or whatever). Nayagan set the bar in production values. And is reason why whole generation of gangster films post-Nayagan looks & feels more contemporary.
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 05:21 PM [Full View]
RGV himself had mentioned Mani & Nayagan in his intrees, Flu.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 05:24 PM [Full View]
allov, marubadiyum adhe assumption===conclusionsa?? khosla ka ghosla is indeed a brilliant tribute to godfather with so much of subtlety...........i dont think DM managed that subtlety while adapting........ Originally Posted by Plum
1. i never said Nayagan impacted Indian cinema - i said Nayagan is used as reference for don movies.........right from udaya to vaastav - even the lesser known movies like appu directed by vasanth and vijay's nenjinile had undeniable references from Nayagan.....the entire concept of localising the godfather, don thingy was done by Nayagan....... Originally Posted by Plum
2.http://www.enotes.com/topic/Girija_ShettarIn a 2002 retropsective of Mani Ratnam's work at the British Film Institute, "Geethanjali" was shown with around 4 other Ratnam films, and Girija's portrayal of Geethanjali was cited as an example of the "strong willed independent women" portrayed in his films.
3. Khosla ka ghosla - take anupam kher as vito corleone, his second son who wants to go to america as michael corleone, his first son ranvir shorey as sonny or fredo corleone, their sister just like corleone family's sisters......and ofcourse u have boman irani donning a mix of barzini, hymen roth and other 5 opposing families........ofcourse again DM could be the better film here, but dibakar was certainly did a smarter work...
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 05:27 PM [Full View]
Samsaram Adhu Minsaram is the most subversive, radical adaptation of TGF. Let it rest guys.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 05:30 PM [Full View]
Kid - on Samsaaram minsaaram.On outdoor locations, can you elaborate?
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 05:36 PM [Full View]
It won't take much time to stitch together Nattamai, Chinna Kounder, umpteen telugu feudal movies(seetharama raju was directly inspired by DM, inspite of dubbed DM being a super hit in telugu), and put it in the same way as Nayagan influenced Appu etc.Since you claimed special influence of Nayagan compared to DM, the substantiation has to be stronger.And you now admit DM might be the better inspiration of GF than KKG, yourselfAlso, how do you differentiate between Godfather influence and Nayagan influence? Vaastav - speicifically what nayagan influence?
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 05:44 PM [Full View]
what is the use in answering u, tell me Originally Posted by Plum
Kid - on Samsaaram minsaaram.On outdoor locations, can you elaborate?
infact this KKG-Godfather comparison was done by compli or equa much before in Indian Films section......
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 05:49 PM [Full View]
Pre-Nayakan, it very much felt like Bachchan wearing bell-bottom costumes on-set, fighting bad guys with certain charm & style on-set, the godowns, hotels & temples looked like 'sets'. It never brought the immediacy of the vice almost always. Then Nayagan happened. Once the pumpset was pulled out, it opened the flood gates of all possibilities. The hand that would pull the pumpset would morph into the man with cycle chain. Velu chewing the last juice of the beetal leef would morph into a Jahangir Khan rolling his eyes around as he engages in the prayer. The don's rituals began to look real as the wrinkles on the don's face, unlike the mechanized placement of a toothpick on Bachchan's lip. Trains looked like trains, docks looked like docks.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 05:52 PM [Full View]
idhaye equanimus sollirundha Plum brilliant-nnu sollirupeenga, iyam kazhudhai meikkura payyan(MGR fan, mani fan etc) , should not talk much, thaT too a small point against kamal hassar's work - nevaire......as sridhar rightly said once, some people's posts are blindly followed and appreciated - summava sonnaru sridharu Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 05:54 PM [Full View]
Outsider perspective (although this outsider, Mr. Qalandar, puts most insiders to shame) on this:
Originally Posted by Qalandar
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 05:59 PM [Full View]
Qalandar
and KG for excellent references
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 06:03 PM [Full View]
Kid, I am not convinced with Qalandar. Again it just states Vinod Chopra was influenced by Anayakan without substantiating.First of all, Nayagan's Dharavi doesn't feel all that authentic, now that I have seen Dharavi. The people from there don't feel authentic, now that I have seen them. Ninga outdoor locationlAm Nayagan inspirationnu solRInga? (Solringalannu puriyala from your posts - sometimes your posts feel like: ok a lowbrow reference: vaibhav in Goa: machi, ivaru pesaradhai kEttA oru englis padam pArthA mAdhiri irukku)
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 06:07 PM [Full View]
Maddy, did I dispute your Godfather inspiration status on KKg? I said "you have admitted that DM might be a better than KKG". Adhuleye your point grantednu arththam varudhilla?Naane aadu meikkira payyan. Naan edhukkunga ungala(adhuvum anurag kashyap padangalai ellaam pirichu meyura ungala) snub panna poren?Nekku therinjadhellaam, hey ram, uhdiri pookkal, devar magan, kamalahasan, mahendran, sivaji ganesan, varadhukuttu
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 06:09 PM [Full View]
Kid, don't forget that Qalandar is the vice president of BPM who is part of that site's attempts to put Kamal-Rajni in comparison to Bachchan(s) and Mani(since Mani patronises Bachchans as of now). In propping Nayagan as the best of Kamal, they might have a vested interest
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 06:11 PM [Full View]
Maddy
"KKG is more subtle adaptation of GF than TM" - is this your claim?
As in, it concealed the fact that it was a GF adaptation whereas it was easier to identify with TM? Is that such a big deal? Does it automatically mean KKG beats TM "black and blue" or whatever? Beats in what? You are kidding right?
Or, are you saying that KKG has a better screenplay, characters fleshed out in greater depth?
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 06:13 PM [Full View]
Oho ! Originally Posted by kid_glove
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 06:22 PM [Full View]
Nayakan creates its own Dharavi. Mainstream gangster films (all India included) before that, had AVM/Gemini studio look & feel. Nayakan is a 'quantum leap' to that. The closest Dharavi film is "Dharavi" by S.Mishra. MX's digital seems true to the place too. But you get my point that Nayakan initiated the experience of portraying a crime-infested universe, don't you? Before that it's more of bell-bottoms, fake sofas, & cardboard sets.
Agreed on Q's BPM interests, but he's spot-on about pan-Indian influences. To be clear, I'm not saying Nayakan is on same plane as DM or other KH films. But that it's a seminal film is of no question. Let's A2D bro.
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From: Sarna on 1st November 2011 06:31 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
sridhar rightly said once, some people's posts are blindly followed and appreciated - summava sonnaru sridharu
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 06:31 PM [Full View]
After the confrontation with the return-ticket Banu, Sakthi is standing in the balcony.
Right or wrong, the turn of events have been as they are. He has to find his way in this new life, in this new world with no father for to guide him about right and wrong.
Viewing down from the balcony, his nieces are playing paaNdi.
"Right-A?
"Rightu"
idhu subtle illaiyA? Talk me?
You say over-reading?
Neenga Khosla ka Ghosla* ellAm koNdu vandhA, naanga ippadiyellAm reada dhaan seivOm.
(*the rhythm of this reminds me of : state vittu stattu, sEttu vittu sEttu)
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 06:35 PM [Full View]
Btw engalukkum Nayakan, coleslaw ellAm romba pudikkin. adhai ellAm thitta vachchuraadheenga.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 06:47 PM [Full View]
Don't you think Parinda captured the mumbai underworld far more realistically, and the crime infested streets in perspective as opposed to the "he is robinhood; he must be justified for being a Don" Nayagan?Nayagan is a lovely mix of MGR and Sivaji tropes. Which undoubtedly Mani must have been influenced by as a teenager. There's a bit of paar magale paar in Karthika-Kamal relationship. The Robinhoodyness and the kezhavi sendiment etc are patented MGR tropes. But the success of Mani was to make a volatile mixture of the two and present it in a way you'd never suspect it came from these sources. In terms of characterisation, depiction, capture of the ethos of Mumbai underworld, I'd give far more credit to Chopra and Parinda for setting the trend/blend etc. Just because he ended up making Kareeb and that Bachchan monstrosity, avarai naama odhukkida koodadhu. Infact, Satya, the acknowledged catalyst to changing the face of Hindi cinema, and the mumbai underworld coming to mainstream cinema, seemed a lot more Parinda in look and feel than Nayagan, isn't it? Kid, notice that the claim was not that Nayagan was seminal. It was a more generic "nayagan influenced indian cinema" without imo further substantiation.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 06:52 PM [Full View]
On a related note, does anyone remember Quiz time by Siddarth Basu in the 80s. Oru late 80s episodela, they played the nallavaraa kettavaraa scene for the visual round. The question was "Who is the national award winning actor in the clip that you just saw".Prompt came the reply from the indhi contestant: "Sadashiv Amrapurkar". So much for national recognition of Kamal and Mani and Nayagan
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 07:05 PM [Full View]
Parinda is indebted to Nayakan precisely in its refinement & careful emphasis on look & feel. Exactly my point. so yeah, Nayakan influenced Hindi & Indian mainstream cinema.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 07:13 PM [Full View]
yes Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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the way it adapted from GF without making any noise Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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no, i told that if TM was a better adaptation of GF than Nayagan then KKG did it much much better.....obviously, TM is way better movie than Nayagan or KKG - no 2 questions on it.......adhukaaga, Nayagan-a oversimplify panradhu is somewhat unacceptable, it has its own place in IFH....... Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:14 PM [Full View]
Epdinga? Vinod Chopra came from a different school, avaru european cinema influencela vaLarndhavarunga. Endha vishayathula Parinda took inspiration from Nayagan-gaREn? Rendulayum Gateway of India varum. Nayaganla romance scenla varum. Parinda captured the place at night, and used the geography (topology?) of the place for a crucial crime sequence. And ofcourse, Kher chillingly killed among the pigeons at the gate in a casual runaway sequence - the effect of that open location crime was matter of fact and far removed from the dramatic impact of shoot-through-eye-hole-reddy-killing and the clearly-exposed-as-a-studio-set Saranya killing. Even the use of topology in Saranya killing scene is suspect.The later underworld movies picked this chilling impersonality more than Nayagan's epic dramatism.Parinda captured the chilling impersonal nature of Bombay Underworld and its crimes - both in writing, staging and execution - while Nayagan was epic drama, and we all rightly laud it for its epic drama feel. In that, Parinda clearly got inspired by - in Maddy"s words - the impersonal coldness of Godfather than the dramatic warmth of Nayagan.
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From: raghavendran on 1st November 2011 07:15 PM [Full View]
enakku DM romba pudikardhuku karanam Sivaji sir dhan...chanceless..Brando va vida Sivaji sir oda acting top...DM looks more an inspiration to GF than Nayagan...as Vivs said it has an epic feel to it..relationship between Velu and Selva will be shown with absolute depth...Selva nayagare venamnu sollitu ore varthaila velunu solluvaru when he tries to call the police... subtle writing......
DM had a few over the top moments...gauthami's "go man",revathi oda over acting,when NT asks kamal to talk in english in that veLI scene..oru madhiri reaction kuduthutu mudipapla...Nayagan had none such
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:24 PM [Full View]
Maddy, which is the better adaptation of Godfather is a wrong question to ask. The claim was that - and I refer OIsG's post to you - was that Kamal took Godfather and accomplished much more with that base material. In terms of getting inspired, this is the kind of zenith you can achieve with a basic line of inspiration. Mani did a great job of adapting Godfather as it is. Far better than any other direct adaptation till date.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 07:30 PM [Full View]
so let me clarify what i wrote first on this topic, 4 pages back Originally Posted by Plum
idhula enna influenced Indian cinema?? Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 07:34 PM [Full View]
What Parinda does is that it strips of all the ethnic, political underpinnings that allows them to make it impersonal. Also, the film isn't about Nana's character, it's about the other end of the spectrum. If Nana is given his specifics & we see the film evolve around him, it'd be closer to Nayakan. And Anil-Madhuri death owes as much to Saranya's death sequence.
Whether there are strings attached or not, the violence & blood is real in Nayakan. The explosions are real. It's a deterministic tragedy, but it's amoral all the same.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:34 PM [Full View]
Nayagan as reference material - in what aspects? Which movies? How?
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 07:37 PM [Full View]
All movies that features Gangster refer to Nayakan. All landmark Indian films - Shiva, Parinda, Maqbool among others - took cue for the refined formalism.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:39 PM [Full View]
Anil-Madhuri death. What was impressive was the impressive use of the topology of the setting, a recurring pattern in Parinda. Even the claustrophobic setting of Khopde's execution by Kappoor captures the distance between them precisely. In terms of influencing the shot-taking of later movies, I'd argue this was more influential than the static Nayakan set-pieces. I really am not sure how Nayakan influenced later indian movies in which aspects? I'd be happy to hear it from you
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 07:41 PM [Full View]
no, i dont think it is a wrong question at all - infact me and KG agree that DM is the better product - we all agree - thats not the problem at all.... Originally Posted by Plum
the problem is the interpretation of groucho and urs that Nayagan is "Godfather as it is" and DM is something very original just taking a line from GF.......its not - remember velu naicker is vito+michael corleone and varadaraja mudaliyar stroked together.......its a hot and cold character who has his own world of self styled judgement......Nayagan is far more engaging and arresting than GF and DM........
if u think DM was a smarter interpretation then i would say Dibakar beat kamal to it and TM or DM has to be second to KKG in this aspect in my books.....
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 07:43 PM [Full View]
naan already sollitten - evalavu dharava solradhu?? Originally Posted by Plum
anyways, KG is writing just what i wanted to say in a much better language and analysing it in a much wider scope
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:44 PM [Full View]
No jargon, please . What is refined formalism? Where is it seen in Nayagan? Where is it seen in the influenced movies? How do you connect the two? Specifics, please. And regarding stripping of politics, ethnic identity etc, THAT is precisely what life in Mumbai streets does to one, and while men resort to the age-old organisation into some common lines as a defence mechanism, the lines are blurred and it is never "all tamils behind Nayakkar", as shown in Nayagan. That is why Nayagan works more as a updated MGR-Sivaji heroism-sentimentalism combine than any pioneering representation of mumbai, gangsterism, underworld etc. To me, the succesful mix of MGR-Sivaji tropes was achievement enough without having to invent other credits.
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 07:47 PM [Full View]
Binod Pradhan totally taking up PC Sriram's framing & using the spatial distance between two characters & causing immediacy of impending danger. PC Sriram brought up Claustrophobic setting in his lens even before Binod. In fact, Binod films prior to this seem technicolor & the shot-making very functional. Then of course, Nayakan happened. All bollywood filmmakers began hiring Thamizh DOPs, or derived their cameras, lighting & shots. Things began to look 'contemporary'.
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 07:47 PM [Full View]
Yes. when few scenes had to be done again apart from climax scene. Kamal called bharathan and he said go ahead and do it. Anyway Thevar Magan is kamal's concept. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:52 PM [Full View]
Maddy, the varadaraja mudaliyar connection is very loose and I really don't see much of specific use of Mudaliar's on-the-ground realities. The movie works simply as a fictional character in la la land going thro' naicker's curve. If it had anything to do with Mudaliar, you'll have a far less personal, far less heroic(where is his struggle? The humiliation? Does everyone accept the tamilian who cannot spea Hindi as it is? Fat chance! Even after rising to top, such a feller would face barbs from lowlier Local thugs), far more Mumbaiyya story.We should simply see it as surface use of Mudaliar's convenient presence as a tamilian rose to fame as Mumbai don status. There is very little of actual Bombay in it. A tale that captures the actual Mudaliar's life-story, I suspect, will be far less dramatic, interesting but a lot more authentic, and darker.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 07:54 PM [Full View]
Sivaji obviously talks well - Brando pesuradhu onniyum puriyadhu, subtitles-e gadhi.........Nayagan is obviously a epic encompassing a range of issues like smuggling, poor urban people, family, relations, revenge, self styled judgement, a cult following for the protagonist without any caste, religion basis and ofcourse the iconic kamal character is not the usual robin hood or MGR role - u cant tell he is right, but from his view u cant fault him too......sakthi is far more straightforward than Velu.......and the relationship between selva and velu u said is a excellent point - thats the softest yet smartest corleone u can see in world of godfathers.........mani added so many sketches to corleones Originally Posted by raghavendran
enakku DM romba pudikardhuku karanam Sivaji sir dhan...chanceless..Brando va vida Sivaji sir oda acting top...DM looks more an inspiration to GF than Nayagan...as Vivs said it has an epic feel to it..relationship between Velu and Selva will be shown with absolute depth...Selva nayagare venamnu sollitu ore varthaila velunu solluvaru when he tries to call the police... subtle writing......
yes, i would turn my face away when that scene comes up - mani is too smart to let such banalities spoil his classic...... Originally Posted by raghavendran
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 07:55 PM [Full View]
Kid, but nayaganleYE spatial usage avlo nalla illaiye - example saranya killing - how could Parinda have been inspired on spatial usage by Nayakan?And isn't Sriram far more stylistic than Pradhan, who was just about functional in Parinda?
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:00 PM [Full View]
All bollywood filmmakers hired Thamizh DoPs? In 80s? Are you sure? Sure, we won awards and all? Even expanding your statement to South Indian DoPs, wasn't it Ravi K Chandran who made the breakthrough to thorough Bollywood makers? As opposed to "I worked for Manirathnam's hindi film" fellers. Ofcourse, no doubt the southies were very talented but when did Bolly film makers start recognising them? Santosh Sivan? Ravi K Chandran? Certainly not anyone of Sriram's times or Nayagan times.
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 08:01 PM [Full View]
Agreed. But again this 'Us' vs 'Them' doesn't undermine or diminish the fact that it's a influence on other films in production design, adding overall credibility to gangster/mob genre. A level of seriousness that couldn't be dispensed with, particularly in this genre. A whole legion of filmmakers & DOPs who'd take up the genre have admitted as much. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:02 PM [Full View]
Yeah, so smart that a person living in Mumbai from childhood doesn't pick up Indhi Originally Posted by MADDY
And that "tough fencing is required" scene is deliberate, not an oversight. Even granting that Kamal didn't nail the English accent right (assuming Kamal lived in the UK long enough to adopt that accent), who are we comparing him against in the accent department - Mani! Mani (films) and accent? You got to be kidding me
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:05 PM [Full View]
Banalities in Nayagan:Kezhavi dousing herself with keroseneNasser's strittu duty oriented officer scenesRavuther appa, muslim thangai, sendiment sequencesThat's just off my head instantly. SollaNumna edhai vENA sollalAnga
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:06 PM [Full View]
it doesent aim to be real, authentic or dark - it is a fictional character and is from mani's abstract world..........mani short circuits all these things - the humiliation, struggle - the meeting between Dons - people who dont know Velu meets him with a mock - adhukku mela edhir paarka mudiyaadhu mani kitta.........ok, he would have faced barbs from his hindi subordinates but mani chose not to show it, i dont expect him to and yes its not the mumbai - its again a city from Mani's abstraction.........indepth characterisation, giving finer details is not mani's style - he leaves a lot for u to assume and just absorb his storyline........ Originally Posted by Plum
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:14 PM [Full View]
And Maddy
Your posts have a lot of inconsistencies. First you said KKG beats TM black and blue (nowhere in your posts were there indications that you acknowledged TM as a superior film before that post), then you limited it to "as a GF remake". You then admit TM is a much better film but yet you simplify/reduce the characterizations to "straight forward" etc and now you are dismissing it outright as "silly banalities" vis-a-vis the untouchable classic (Nayagan). Indha alavukku reduce panreenga, adhe samayathula better film-num othukkareenga
What is it actually? Remba reactive-a irukku. Your take on TM seems to be ever changing based on every other post on Nayagan.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:15 PM [Full View]
Kid, who are these whole legion of film¤akers and DOPs?Vishnuvardhan maybe?Avaru mani school-la vaLarnda puLLa.Who else? Don't tell me RGV. He clearly doesn't acknowledge Mani as a inspiration, nor did he bother to acknowledge Mani in Sarkar(andd he didn't need to). Nor is he young enough to have been inspired by Nayagan. By the time Nayagan happened, RGV was close to his directorial debut. It is like saying Ameer is Myshkin's inspiration. And RGV in his whole career has only shown any spark when doing his umpteenth rework of Godfather in its cold, impersonal way.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:16 PM [Full View]
Velu comes at a age of around 7-8 to mumbai and dharavi doesent give u much oppurtunities to learn hindi.......my mom lived in a dense hindi speaking suburb like Mulund for 8 yrs and still struggles with hindi - maybe velu was like our esteemed mani basher here - refusing to learn hindi Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Yeah, so smart that a person living in Mumbai from childhood doesn't pick up Indhi
And that "tough fencing is required" scene is deliberate, not an oversight. Even granting that Kamal didn't nail the English accent right (assuming Kamal lived in the UK long enough to adopt that accent), who are we comparing him against in the accent department - Mani! Mani (films) and accent? You got to be kidding me
i agree that scene in DM is deliberate and it is required but somehow it comes out cringe worthy......come on Bala, if u r talking abt mani personally, then he is a MBA graduate from one of the premier institutes and has impeccable english.......if u r talking abt his films, then yes, there could be anomalies, i dont disagree
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 08:19 PM [Full View]
Could you link the spatial usage in PArinda that you're referring to. Then perhaps we'd be able to make comparisons & contrasts. And why Nayagan'la nalla illa? Also, if you're going by spatial usage & overall refinement in form, Nayakan was quantum leap from previous gangster films. Just because Parinda tightened it a bit more (or to use 'claustrophobic') doesn't decry the importance of Nayakan. Which certainly had many tight shots with clever placement of the characters within the frame. Originally Posted by Plum
Certainly P C Sriram, & Nayakan paved way to increased recognition of thamizh DOP(s). After its release, a legion of Bollywood DOP(s) were certainly influenced.Have a friend who teaches at FTIII who has a course on how post-Nayakan, the lenses, camera & lighting technique would change forever. Might even get some material off him, if you insist. Originally Posted by Plum
As for Thamizh DOP(s) actually working for Bolly guys, it's something of late phenomenon, yes. I'm mistaken.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 08:20 PM [Full View]
Maddy
I meant accent in Mani films (specifically Tamil). English nu paatha Mani/Madhavan have the urban North Indian accent in English. Thalaivan tamil interviews la tamil accented English, N.I channels la sila samayam Kamal brand of English, sometimes "zh" ellam potta awkward arakorai American English
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 08:23 PM [Full View]
Like kamal says in climax of thevar magan. Ada paavigaala naayagan evvalavu nalla padam athai en vaayalaye nalla padam illainnu solla vachchiteengalaeda.
I definitely agree nayagan is the most popular movie in tamil and especially outside tamilnadu. But that is purely based on what we have been taught about cinema since childhood. Performance wise Kamal had much better performance in Nayagan than Thevar Magan. But nayagan performance starts and ends with kamal. But in thevar magan every one acted so well and it was arguably the best performance of great Sivaji. Kamal looked like he was little afraid to act with Sivaji. I realised that one in several scenes that is mainly because of the respect he had on Sivaji. Yes Thevar magan did have some inconvenient moments like Kamal's english and other stuff.
Nayagan looked great from outside but if you dig into it, it was all about presentation. But it is great presentation though.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:23 PM [Full View]
About the hindi thingie, to Mani's credit, till the end, you never get the question in your mind. Only when reflecting in response to Maddy does it crop up as a weapon.It is unlikely such a character doesn't understand hindi till the end but it is possible that he understands cannot/does not speak Hindi (for a variety of reasons) till the end.Can someone recall if in the later portions of the movie, does Mani show Iyer interpreting stuff to Naicker? Or he just shows Naicker understanding hindi conversations from others but using iyer to respond? If it is the latter, huge credit to him.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:25 PM [Full View]
i never said KKG beats TM black and blue in terms of characterisation or milieu or anything.........its just that the adaptation was very subtle and brilliant in KKG given it was in comedy genre....... Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
And Maddy
Your posts have a lot of inconsistencies. First you said KKG beats TM black and blue (nowhere in your posts were there indications that you acknowledged TM as a superior film before that post), then you limited it to "as a GF remake". You then admit TM is a much better film but yet you simplify/reduce the characterizations to "straight forward" etc and now you are dismissing it outright as "silly banalities" vis-a-vis the untouchable classic (Nayagan). Indha alavukku reduce panreenga, adhe samayathula better film-num othukkareenga What is it actually? Remba reactive-a irukku. Your take on TM seems to be ever changing based on every other post on Nayagan.
ofcourse, Sakthi is more straightforward than Velu - ofcourse equa, compli and PR have dug up much more inconsistencies in Sakthis' character and some beautiful parallels with kamal's real life persona, which im not exactly in agreement with........i mean, it doesent make much sense to me as a non-kamal fan....
i didnt even agree to raghav's comment on gautami's "go sakthi go" scene - fence scene was one of scenes like that.......that doesent make DM a lesser product - it has far better understanding of details, milieu and the overall characterisations.......i mean the wide range of characterisations and the finer details like what Plum expects in Nayagan is present in DM......mainly the undertones, subtexts are so brilliantly etched in DM where its almost absent in Nayagan and mani strives for it too
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 08:25 PM [Full View]
one question for KG. I know you are great and neutral critic. Let us get to the bottomline. in your books which movie is better Nayagan or Devar Magan. Though I like few other movies of Kamal better than Devar Magan.
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 08:26 PM [Full View]
P_R sonnathu pola HC kamal fans-aye nayagan -kku against-a pesa vaikkura muyaRchi success
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 08:28 PM [Full View]
kOvathula yEdhEdhO solreengaLE Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 08:28 PM [Full View]
This is the TYPICAL i said in other thread ..solla vendiyathellam sollittu kadaisila ellathaiyum kalanthu katti oru viLakkam kodupeenga paarunga Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 08:29 PM [Full View]
Don't know what 'neutral critic' means. But there's certainly an agenda going against Nayakan here. I rate 'Devar Magan' far more. But doesn't mean I have to rewrite Nayakan's influence. And hey, I don't even rate it among top 10 films of KH. Originally Posted by cinema
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:30 PM [Full View]
oh ok, yes, mani's movies do have characters speaking very weird accents but adhukkum oru explanation irukku - adhu nesstu panchayatu Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 08:30 PM [Full View]
edhirkatchikaaran paarthaa enna ninaippAn Originally Posted by joe
P_R sonnathu pola HC kamal fans-aye nayagan -kku against-a pesa vaikkura muyaRchi success
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:31 PM [Full View]
Kid, actually that Sriram brought attention to Cinematography with Mouna Raagam and Nayagan - fair enough. Definitely in Tamil Nadu. And extrapolating, the natl award definitely indicates that a wider audience must have seen and influenced by it. On reflection, I concede tha point. (Btw, andha ftii thesis ellaam podunga adhuku dhane discussion?). But Nayagan influenced later gangster moviesngaradhu seems like a stretch to me. Infact, Nayagan isn't much of a gangster movie-ngaren. Epic-nu saai Arambichu vechaar. Andha word correctAvE irukku. Life and Times of Velu Naicker, who hjappened to be a Mumbai Gangster, seems a good working title. In that, the latter part is just incidental, and shows up as exactly that.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:34 PM [Full View]
meyaluma ungalakkellam nayagan pudikkuma?? Originally Posted by joe
P_R sonnathu pola HC kamal fans-aye nayagan -kku against-a pesa vaikkura muyaRchi success
jokes aside, all non-kamal directed but kamal acted "good" flicks like indian, Vettaiyadu vilayadu are always bashed with same degree here......
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 08:37 PM [Full View]
100% correct. I could not agree more. Nayagan has indelible influence on tamil cinema. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:38 PM [Full View]
Maddy, VV, Indian ellAm Nayagan kooda nIngaLE sErththu pEsalAmA?
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 08:38 PM [Full View]
என்ன கொடுமை சார் இது ? எங்களை விட ‘நாயகன்’ உங்களுக்கு பிடிக்கும் -ன்னு எதை வச்சு சொல்லுறீங்க ..மணிரத்னம் ரசிகர்ங்குற முறையில் மணிரத்னம் படங்களிலேயே அது பெஸ்ட்-ன்னு நீங்க சொல்லலாம் ..ஆனா கமல் ரசிகனா எங்களுக்கு இன்னும் நிறைய இருக்குப்பா ..எங்களுக்கு சாய்ஸ் ஜாஸ்திப்பா . Originally Posted by MADDY
meyaluma ungalakkellam nayagan pudikkuma??
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 08:38 PM [Full View]
Actually Flu, now we've come to crux of the disagreement. That it's less about 'gangster' than it's about the person. Fair enough. Somehow on this point, you & I are in cosmic alignment. Now before it all crashes down, I'm done.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:39 PM [Full View]
sathyama solren, i always consider DM to be better than Nayagan or KKG but obviously Nayagan and KKG are more likable than DM for me.......idha thaan naa first-lerndhu solren........ Originally Posted by joe
This is the TYPICAL i said in other thread ..solla vendiyathellam sollittu kadaisila ellathaiyum kalanthu katti oru viLakkam kodupeenga paarunga
ippa oru Hayabusa bike better than Yamaha or hero honda but hero honda or yamaha has its own advantages illaya......pakkathu theru potti kadaikku poga kooda hayabusa dhaan besttu-nnu sonna eppadi
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 08:42 PM [Full View]
paththa vachittu pOnadhulErndhu aaLaiyE kaaNOm. Originally Posted by Flau
nenjai kizhichu kaattaNumA? Originally Posted by MADDY
idhu kooda oru pramAdhamA oru padathula vandhuchu. sari, adhu edhukku ippo..
Same degree??? andha cooling glass-ai kazhattunga. Originally Posted by MADDY
Nayagan is great but, appadinnu salaam vachchuttu dhaan ovvoru post-um ezhudharOm.
VV - ellAm, no commends. zimbly waste.
edhai edhu kooda sErthu pEsureenga. NeengellAm oru Nayakan rasigarA?
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:42 PM [Full View]
ennanga panradhu, Nayagan pazhaya MGR/sivaji padam-nnu neenga sonna appram shankar/GVM padam kooda compare panni konjam yethi vidanum illaya Originally Posted by Plum
Maddy, VV, Indian ellAm Nayagan kooda nIngaLE sErththu pEsalAmA?
JK, im not saying these films are equal but obviously, statistically all these films fall under same category.....
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 08:42 PM [Full View]
nayagan pidikkumaanellam ketukuraanga. Nayagan mudhal show paarththuttu mei maRandhu utkaarndhukkittu irundha sarasari tamil padam rasiganla naanum oruththan.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:46 PM [Full View]
i said "just kidding" - obviously u have to take my word for it Originally Posted by joe
actually, im honest enough to accept Mani's peak was Nayagan but i too can argue that Mani is great without invoking Nayagan at all....
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 08:47 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
Objective-subjective...neenga appadi vareengaLA.
Can we remu K2G from this group? ezhudhavE manasu valikkudhu.
Compli, avasiyam MBA homework assignment ellAm paNNiyE aagaNumA? inge evvaLO periya social matter pEsittu irukkOm.
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 08:50 PM [Full View]
ithai ninaichchi sandhoshappaduRatha, varuththappaduRathannu theriyalai. ippa thalaivar edukkura padaththa paarththa kavalaikkidama irukku. vishwaroopandhaan bathil sollanum. Originally Posted by joe
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 08:52 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
இந்தப் பஞ்சாயத்து வேற ஒண்ணு பாக்கி இருக்கு.என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரை மைக்கல் மதன காமராஜனை விட ஒரு படி மேல் நகைச்சுவையில்
இப்போதைக்கு உங்களை மன்னிச்சு தற்காலிகமா நேசக்கரம் நீட்டறேன்.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 08:52 PM [Full View]
i think we have had Nayagan arguements before so ellam yemanukku theriyum........enna GVM/Shankar-nna asingama openna thittuvaanga, Maniratnam-nna tangent, tangenta thitti, kadaisila kudi irundha koil range-kku erakkiduvaanga Originally Posted by P_R
.........actually, Shankar/GVM havent even got 1% of criticism that mani has got here.........neenga nenjayaum kizhichi kaatta venaam - onniyum panna venaam ...
im not saying mani is perfect but reading of mani's films here is not perfect either - buying a bike, expecting the service of mixie kadha dhaan
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 08:53 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:55 PM [Full View]
Camfliyaarukku invitation me also sign in blood
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From: NOV on 1st November 2011 08:56 PM [Full View]
written nearly 15 years ago....
http://indolink.com/tamil/cinema/Picks/97/kamal.htm
features both DM and N and others too ( chronological order )
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From: Nerd on 1st November 2011 08:58 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Warreh wah! American speech languvEj top.
Expecting Nayagan: A retro review in your siggy soon :P
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 08:59 PM [Full View]
Actually oru mukkiyamaana vishayam pazhaiya postsla amungi pOchu. indha app-ar TM pArthArA theriyala. pORA pOkkula "heard it has some good scenes"-nu sollittu pOyittAr. Enakku "Taj Mahal is a nifty tomb" gnaabagam varudhu
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 09:04 PM [Full View]
rendu IR padathukku ulla comparison-la naa ivalavu argue pannadhu kooda paatha tayam waste dhaan
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 09:06 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
Actually oru mukkiyamaana vishayam pazhaiya postsla amungi pOchu. indha app-ar TM pArthArA theriyala. pORA pOkkula "heard it has some good scenes"-nu sollittu pOyittAr. Enakku "Taj Mahal is a nifty tomb" gnaabagam varudhu
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From: Roshan on 1st November 2011 10:08 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kid-glove
Trend setting's idhavida arumaiyaa sollaa mudiyaathu
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From: Roshan on 1st November 2011 10:25 PM [Full View]
Point'a remba correct'a pudicheenga paarunga Originally Posted by kid-glove
And to all your posts made today here regarding Nayagan
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 10:31 PM [Full View]
Kid
Agenda by whom? And what exactly is the agenda?
Au contraire, I can see a pattern of over-romanticizing Mani's works and sleights of hands like "non-judgmental", Mani's universe etc...
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From: app_engine on 1st November 2011 10:36 PM [Full View]
Enga ennaya vambukku izhukkuReenga Originally Posted by Plum
Actually oru mukkiyamaana vishayam pazhaiya postsla amungi pOchu. indha app-ar TM pArthArA theriyala. pORA pOkkula "heard it has some good scenes"-nu sollittu pOyittAr. Enakku "Taj Mahal is a nifty tomb" gnaabagam varudhu umma moodhAdhaiyar pEr Mr. N.muni-yA?
I watched TM afterwards -on the net- and did post in this thread (difficult to search among the >10K number of my posts).
One should not compare what he consumed something chudachchuda coming out of kitchen (horrible New theater of Palakkad, otherwise would have continued watching the second show also), then as properly treated pickle (Coimbatore Archana theater - enjoying the PC specials inch by inch) , then as 15 yr glenfiddich (on TV recently, appavum same silirppu, thoNdai adaippu, kaNNeer ellAm) with what he consumed as a poorly saved pazhanganji (sumAr print on internet)
Simply not fair...still, going by the circumstantial bias, I'm with theN pANdichcheemaiyilE and not with kAladi maNNu...
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 10:37 PM [Full View]
Agenda was "kamal fansaye nayagan-yai kurai solla vaikkuRathu" ..athu konjma niRaiveeRum pola irunthuchu ..appuram theLinjiduchu
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 10:39 PM [Full View]
Don't know really. Not that I don't have agendas myself. But maybe..maybe bcoz Maddy and you have a complex thing going really. As for the film itself, I know you wouldn't rate it. But to write off its influence remba over.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 10:42 PM [Full View]
Joe
Everybody who was responsible in invoking this debate is a Kamal fan - so I fail to see any agenda. So it's not about divide and rule. KG means anti Mani agenda
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 10:46 PM [Full View]
Oh! Maddy innikku date-kku kamal fan-a (avar thaan ramdass maathiri eppo entha kootaniyila iruppar-nnu solla mudiyathu) .IMO . he tried hard ..kaduppayi naalu kamal rasigargal nayaganai kanna pinnannu thittanum
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From: Bing on 1st November 2011 10:52 PM [Full View]
Help.. I found the essence of the argument .. thanks to Joe's post.. avar solli thaan ippadi oru agenda odudhunu theriyum .. Oru chinna doubt.. if you can help me with your busy schedules.. DM/TM - Devar maghan.. WTH is KKG/K2G?
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:08 PM [Full View]
Bing, nAnga evLO periya sosial matter pEsikitturukkOm. IppO vandhu sakkarai irukkA paruppu irukkAnnu kadan kEkkaRInga?
Khosla Ka Ghosla
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:12 PM [Full View]
Agenda ennangaradhulEyE kozhappamA?NAn sariyA veLakkaREn: Roshan thinks there is a anti-Mani agenda by Joe, Bala, feeyar and adiyEn. Maddyuumnu adhE dhaan nenaikkaRArunnu nenaichEn but sariyA gaNikka mudiyala. Ennoda thermometer avar kitta work paNNa mAttEngudhu. Kid thinks there is an agenda to trivialise Nayakan's influence by me, I think. Joe thinks Maddy has agenda to get us to Scold Kamal movie. Bala/me think there is an agenda to place Mani above his station. Romba complex situationga.
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From: HonestRaj on 1st November 2011 11:14 PM [Full View]
KKG...... few hrs back i concluded it as Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Gum.. appovam oru K miss aagudhenu ninaichen
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:15 PM [Full View]
Oh already ellorum confess paNNittIngaLA?ChE, romba psychologicalA oru post pOdara nenaippoda post paNNene
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 11:16 PM [Full View]
Actually till you explained I didn't think it influenced anything either. Originally Posted by kid-glove
Even now I am not too convinced.
But then I recognize only appattamaana, look and feel influences: MR always stood apart and there was noone like him, no movies that looked like his (May Maadham, Vasanth's early films?).
His kind of people, dialocks, pacing (dEi, adangu)...was always unique.
Hindi general knowledge vERa kammi - Parinda ellAm sollakkELvi dhaan. Satya ellAm not seeing connection at all.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:18 PM [Full View]
Honestu -. Adhuvum GF inspiration dhaan. Elder son doesn't go by father's wishes and dissappoints the father appuRam younger son goes by father's route and saves the family .pArunga aalywoodla oru Godfather dhaan eduththaanga. Namma epdi vidha vidhamA adhai eduthurukkOmnu!
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:25 PM [Full View]
Feeyaar, . Esp the satya kannekshan is invisible to me also. Chopra's Mirindavum enakku onnum influence theriyala. Far removed from mani's world. . Git, marubadiyum modhallerundhu parotta podunga
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:27 PM [Full View]
New topic: Actually, arguably agni nakshatram was one movie where Mani nailed his milieu perfectly(besant nagar-west mambalam)
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 11:27 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
If not for agendas, this forum would be dead..
As a KH fan, I myself couldn't see eye to eye with Maddy on a lot of things. Don't agree with him on TM..
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 11:29 PM [Full View]
Violence in Mani films, violence in films like Satya - totally different. Again, Mani is a romantic....
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From: P_R on 1st November 2011 11:32 PM [Full View]
Adayar. 80s Beasant Nagar was not #posh. Best Chennai film 'nREn. உடனே நீங்க கூட்டுப்புழுக்கள்னு எதையாவது தேடிப்பிடிச்சு சொல்லுங்க. இப்படியே பேசுவோம். Originally Posted by Plum
போய் புள்ளைகுட்டிங்களை படிக்க வைக்கணும்னா, எதுவும் தப்பில்லை.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 11:33 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Oh! Maddy innikku date-kku kamal fan-a (avar thaan ramdass maathiri eppo entha kootaniyila iruppar-nnu solla mudiyathu) .IMO . he tried hard ..kaduppayi naalu kamal rasigargal nayaganai kanna pinnannu thittanum i was a kamal fan but not anymore but i dont rule out the possibility either - not that im ramadoss of this HUB but because i have begun to respect him for what he is......to me, nayagan is first and foremost a mani's film......
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 11:34 PM [Full View]
oru aalu ore oru aalu dhaanga appadi ellam solraaru.......mannichhu vitrugna Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 11:34 PM [Full View]
Inga yaarum nayagan-ai kevalapaduththalla (athu eppadi naama paduththuvom) .But , Maddy thaan DM-ayi vida etho peyar theriyatha hindi movie jooper-nnu solli kadupethinar ..antha kaduppula nayaganai yaaravathu thittuvangannu ninaicharo ennavo ..I didn't see any provocation from any other .
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 1st November 2011 11:35 PM [Full View]
Maddy
Irrespective of my examples, I also meant KG when I said over-romanticizing...
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 11:39 PM [Full View]
my thoughts, HUB periyavas always have this "kazhudhai meikkura payyankku(maniratnam) ivalavu ariva"........so dont leave any chance to undermine him.....im very sure that most people who argued here think mani is just a good technician, camera suthhama vechiirupaaru, light boys-kkellam kaasu kudukka maattaru, color tones, background ellam nalla set pannuvaru and ofcourse MTV album video director Originally Posted by Plum
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 11:43 PM [Full View]
first of all Groucho wrote Nayagan is inspired by, DM is inspirational - i felt it was very unfair statement on Nayagan and mani's work........aana sivaji padam pottuvan usupethha maattan Originally Posted by joe
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 11:45 PM [Full View]
oh! Groucho thaan agenda kaarara? ..wait till tmr
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From: kid-glove on 1st November 2011 11:45 PM [Full View]
I'm not referring to visual grammar. But undeniably, there are influences of Mani on filmmakers post-Nayakan. Let's take RGV who went for Thotta tharani to do sets for Shiva. Hired the same steadicam operator who did Agni. And of course, Raaja.
Name a film before 'Nayakan' which had as much violence & proper look/feel to match the genre (mob/don/gangster.) Violence in Shiva wasn't considered as envelope-pushing as Nayakan, but derivative of Nayakan. (in fact, a lot would only mention Shiva as a footnote.) No wonder likes of Brangar, Qalandar keep going back to N in retrospective pieces.
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:46 PM [Full View]
Regarding "you guys think mani is mtv director": Best chennai film eduthurukkarnellaam tempo vechu kadaththi irukkom Maddy. Konjam pArththu appraisal paNNunga
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From: joe on 1st November 2011 11:46 PM [Full View]
Sivaji padam pottavangaLukku onnum rendu kompu illa ..Same time ,Sivaji padam pottavanga avar maathiri saathuvaa thaan iruppangannu ninaikka padathu
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:50 PM [Full View]
I'd venture Nihalani movies (ardh satya, tamas) Kid but adhu vERa type violence. Deewar - sort of - docks were fairly well captured - but Yashji was also a romantic so "mere paas maa hai" is more remembered now.
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From: MADDY on 1st November 2011 11:51 PM [Full View]
irunga naa andha padathha pathhi pugazhndhu rendu moonu vaartha pesina dhaane ellaroda unmai nelavaram theriyin like what we saw for Nayagan today.......vidunga boss - neenga ellarum edhu sonnalum mani sir is great and a legend(both pre-92 and post-92).........other directors movies are reflection of society but there is a huge group like me who are reflection of mani sir's movies - vera endha director-kkum indha perumai kedaikkaadhu Originally Posted by Plum
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From: cinema on 1st November 2011 11:51 PM [Full View]
hubla oru sila pEr appadi solRangunnae ungalukku varuththama irukkunna,. veliya kamal oru creator-a madhikkama oru actor-a mattum madhichcha engalukku eppadi irukkkum. Originally Posted by MADDY
my thoughts, HUB periyavas always have this "kazhudhai meikkura payyankku(maniratnam) ivalavu ariva"........so dont leave any chance to undermine him.....im very sure that most people who argued here think mani is just a good technician, camera suthhama vechiirupaaru, light boys-kkellam kaasu kudukka maattaru, color tones, background ellam nalla set pannuvaru and ofcourse MTV album video director
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From: Plum on 1st November 2011 11:55 PM [Full View]
And I simply reject Mani/nayakan influence on Varma/shiva. That Andhra college was perfectly captured and as RGV recalled in detail in his blog, it seems like he took a lot froim his personal life including the cycle chain sequence which you attribute to Nayakan pumpset. Ok trivia: one of Nagarjuna's friend in Shiva is subaleka sudhakar, husband of SP Shailu and tamil tv serial actor. This is fairly well known. I recently realised another is Puri Jagannadh, director of Pokkiri(telugu)
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 12:00 AM [Full View]
Maddy, edhukkunga emotional? Thedi paarthaa Agni N paththi same views naan munnadiye padhivu panni iruppadhu indha hubleye irukkum. Ninga paarattinaa adhai naanga kuththam solvomndara alavukku emotional aanaa epdi?
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:01 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
When I mentioned Rama Shetty, I was of course referring to AS. But as you state, it's different. And it's not mainstream.but adhu vERa type violence.
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:02 AM [Full View]
I also pointed out an instance where Mani's universe didn't work. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd November 2011 12:05 AM [Full View]
Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
my thoughts, HUB periyavas always have this "kazhudhai meikkura payyankku(maniratnam) ivalavu ariva"........so dont leave any chance to undermine him.....im very sure that most people who argued here think mani is just a good technician, camera suthhama vechiirupaaru, light boys-kkellam kaasu kudukka maattaru, color tones, background ellam nalla set pannuvaru and ofcourse MTV album video director
It's very unfortunate that you perceive it that way. Even more unfortunate that you sound like you-know-who
of course, mr you know who thoroughly deserves all the contempt and more (mosquito menace). My humble submission, Neenga solra madhiri kedaiyadhu
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:06 AM [Full View]
RGV is known as a hack in Kashyapar circles.
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 12:16 AM [Full View]
Yes indeed kid. He had some limited tricks which have been long exhausted. His mind is fascinating though. His blog was more interesting than his recent movies
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:22 AM [Full View]
I'm a RGV-ian, Flu. I'd say he was more influenced by Leone(not Pattimandram speaker) than Mani in his visual choices for Shiva. But he does derive a bag full of inputs from Mani, & Nayakan is hard to shirk off & remains the denominator, for all the mainstream mob films made since. thirumba modhalErndu vendam. Let's A2D..
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:29 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by cinema
Who are you, sir?
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:32 AM [Full View]
was a forest. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: kid-glove on 2nd November 2011 12:35 AM [Full View]
Off to watch LOST & then the Arsenal.
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From: cinema on 2nd November 2011 12:43 AM [Full View]
me sarasari indiya prajjai. Anyway I have been in hub for long time but took a long break and came back early this year again. I have been watching hub for a long time. Thanks for asking. Originally Posted by kid-glove
Who are you, sir?
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 07:22 AM [Full View]
What....the performances in Nayagan later inspired GF3??? You mean the characters that continued from GF and GF2 later picked up from kamal, Saranya, Nizhalgal Ravi, etc? Nizhalgal Ravi influenced Andy Garcia? Come on, details kudungga illana ippadiye speculate pannuvEn. Maybe Delhi Ganesh (iyer) influenced that Pope guy. Kamal performance-vidungga, the technique was borrowed from Brando. The shuffled walk. The swept back hair. And finally, the thing in his cheek. The finger movement first, before voice. All trademark Brando technique-kungga. Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 08:18 AM [Full View]
VHS cassettela oru tonty seven times partiruppen, athu vanthapO. I loved it then, after that 90s film student giddiness happened and all things came crashing. Originally Posted by Nerd
Just realised top ten listla rendu padamum lEthu And Iruvar is looking at me with fear in its eyes.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 08:35 AM [Full View]
Does films involving pimps, prostitutes and street hitman for hire qualify? Then, look no further than Tappu Talanggal. Might look a bit amateurish by now, because it didn't quite age that well, but the b/w look, the violence (sometimes off-screen) was quite well-done for its time, pretty realistic, more Scorcese than the orchestrated Coppola stuff. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: venkkiram on 2nd November 2011 10:31 AM [Full View]
நாயகன்-தேவர் மகன்: வாய்ப்பு கிடைக்கும்போதெல்லாம் மீண்டும் ஒரு முறை பார்க்க நினைப்பது நாயகனைத்தான். சுருக்கமா சொன்னா நாயகன் - தேவர் மகனுக்கு இடையே அடிப்படையான வேறுபாடு முன்னது கீழிலிருந்து மாடியை பார்ப்பது. பின்னது மாடியிலிருந்து கீழே பார்ப்பது. நமக்கு எந்த வாழ்க்கை முறை பழக்கப்படாமல் இருக்கிறதோ அது மீதுதான் ஒரு ஈர்ப்பு இருக்கும். அந்த வகையில் இந்த Survival of the fittest, வீரம், தார்மீக கோபம், உயிராய் மதிக்கும் நட்பு, அளவிலா விசுவாசம், தியாகம், போராடும் குணம் இதெல்லாம் நாயகனை என்றென்றும் கவனத்தில் கொண்டு வந்து நிறுத்துகிறது.
நாயகன் : சிறார் பருவத்தில் ஆரம்பித்து முதிய வயது பருவம் வரையிலான ஒரு போராளியின் வாழ்க்கையை டாக்குமெண்டரி - வழக்கமான திரைப்படம் இரண்டிற்கும் இடையேயான பாதை ஒன்றில் பயணித்து சொன்ன முதல் படம்.. என்றென்றும் சஞ்சீவியாக இன்னும் பல நூற்றாண்டுகள் வலம் வரும்.
கீழ்க்காணும் வரிகளை கொஞ்ச நேரம் வாசித்தாலே போதும். அந்த வாழ்க்கை நிலைக்கு நம்மை அறியாமலேயே சென்று, மகிழ்ச்சிக் கடலில் அவர்களோடு ஒருவராக ஆடிப் பாடுவோம்.
அந்திமழை மேகம் தங்க மழை தூவும் திருநாளாம்
எங்களுக்கும் காலம் வந்ததெனப் பாடும் பெருநாளாம்
ஓ இடி கொட்டு மேளம் அது கொட்டும் நேரம்
எங்கள் தெரு எங்கும் தேரோடும்
தேரோடும் திருநாளாகும்
நாள்தோறும் இந்த ஊர்கோலம்
மாடங்கள் கலைக்கூடங்கள் யார் செய்தார் அதை நாம் செய்தோம்
நாடாளும் ஒரு ராஜாங்கம் யார் தந்தார் அதை நாம் தந்தோம்
தேசம் என்னும் சோலையில் வேர்கள் நாங்களே
தியாகம் என்னும் ஜோதியில் தீபம் நாங்களே
பால் குடங்கள் தேன்குடங்கள் நூறு வந்தது
கை வணங்கும் தெய்வம் ஒன்று நேரில் வந்தது
பூவாரம் இனி சூட்டுங்கள் கற்பூரம் இனி ஏற்றுங்கள்
ஊரெல்லாம் களியாட்டங்கள் என்னென்ன இனி காட்டுங்கள்
வீடுதோறும் மங்களம் இன்று வந்தது
காணும் போது நெஞ்சினில் இன்பம் வந்தது
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 12:04 PM [Full View]
Thanks app. pinnE 6 varushamA unresolvedA irukkulla? engaLukku oru conclusion therinjA dhAnE rAthrila thookkam varum? Originally Posted by app_engine
Enga ennaya vambukku izhukkuReenga umma moodhAdhaiyar pEr Mr. N.muni-yA?
I watched TM afterwards -on the net- and did post in this thread (difficult to search among the >10K number of my posts).
One should not compare what he consumed something chudachchuda coming out of kitchen (horrible New theater of Palakkad, otherwise would have continued watching the second show also), then as properly treated pickle (Coimbatore Archana theater - enjoying the PC specials inch by inch) , then as 15 yr glenfiddich (on TV recently, appavum same silirppu, thoNdai adaippu, kaNNeer ellAm) with what he consumed as a poorly saved pazhanganji (sumAr print on internet)
Simply not fair...still, going by the circumstantial bias, I'm with theN pANdichcheemaiyilE and not with kAladi maNNu...
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 02:01 PM [Full View]
Groucho - i gave u a scene from GF3 which was similar to Nayagan - u say its performance - so there is nothing more to add from my side.......i really dont think performances would be inspired but sequence of events do look similar to nayagan - Maniratnam too told this in an interview.........nayagan is inspired from Mario Puzzo's godfather-um dhaan not just francis's version..... Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 02:04 PM [Full View]
Plum ellarume appadi dhaan - joe, bala, u, pr got offended when i didnt appreciate DM in "your terms" - its been a million years since we have seen a criticism on NT or sachin tendulkar in this HUB - ellarume appadi dhaan emotional abt their fav works/celebs....... Originally Posted by Plum
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 02:12 PM [Full View]
Never. Originally Posted by MADDY
DM not subtle
K2G better adaptation of GF
N is fully sedhukkified but DM sags in places (Vikki)
idhukkellAm lightA react paNNOm. thassaal.
Termsaavadhu, offendaavadhu.
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 02:12 PM [Full View]
i know ur view on mani and im not talking abt judge at all here......most of people's view - mani is a ordinary director, good technician, getting overhype......thilak is the only silver line in this grey cloud.......worse is ive got some hubbers telling me on face that mani gets attention becos he is a <ding> and they hate him bcos of his <ding> origin Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Maddy
It's very unfortunate that you perceive it that way. Even more unfortunate that you sound like you-know-who of course, mr you know who thoroughly deserves all the contempt and more (mosquito menace). My humble submission, Neenga solra madhiri kedaiyadhu ........
as i said, its partly my fault to expect maniratnam pugazh in my terms
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 02:15 PM [Full View]
Oh seperate thread for this !!
One more thing about DM, my opinion ofcourse - after NT's episode konjam boring'a irukkum padam. It would almost look like a usual gramathu masala flick. When ever I happen to revisit DM I watch it only upto Banu's return. Even Naser's performnace I feel is somewhat cliched and contrived and hihgly overated. 'unakkuLLa muzhichukittu irukkuRa mirugam" dialogue and all ippa paarkkumpOthu
On the other hand Naayagan does not have such boring, cliche, contrived stuff.
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 02:16 PM [Full View]
And that isn't a response to Flau's point. He was responding to the insinuation that AN was being invoked merely as a show of evenhandedness and the appreciation was insincere. Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 02:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
Originally Posted by Roshan
Originally Posted by Roshan
padathOda crux-E adhu dhaanEnga! Originally Posted by Roshan
'unakkuLLa muzhichukittu irukkuRa mirugam" dialogue and all ippa paarkkumpOthu
MADDY, indha maadhiri dhaan nEthulErndhu Odikittu irukku. idhukku respond paNNA, ennamO Mani Ratnathukku TV-serial kooda edukka theriyAdhu 'ngra maadhiri naanga solradhaa, neenga ninaichukkureenga. Originally Posted by Roshan
To quote equa quoting vivek from the paNiyaaram scene: "pOtturavaa?"
De gustibus non est disputandum...irundhaalum...
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 02:36 PM [Full View]
Maddy, first you said scenes inspired GF3, now you say sequence of events inspired by Nayagan. Ethungga? To make things easier for you, GF3 was criticised for aping its predecessors, especially the climax killing part looks similar to the first one. Basically GF3 and Nayagan were influenced by the first two films, which Mani overlooked and said, "Whoa, doesn't GF3 look like my Nayagan or what?"
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 02:37 PM [Full View]
By the way, I wonder how many here actually watched Godfather 3. It may be poor compared to its predecessors, but it still is an awesome film.
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 02:57 PM [Full View]
Prabhu that dialogue - "muzhichukittu irukkura mirugam" - crux and all fine but konjam subtle's irunthirukkalaam'nu ippO paakkumpOthu thOnuthu. It's sounds like a normal 'savaal vidum' scene.
And regarding NT's episode - what I tried to say was - avarOda episode'ku piRago oru obvious 'thoivu' onnu irukkum. I feel it all the time. oru veRumai'nu kooda sollalaam. Adhuvum oruvagaiyaana successthaan.
AppuRam Saai sonna maathiri - Revathi OttavE illla.
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 03:05 PM [Full View]
I have seen and I agree ! Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 04:17 PM [Full View]
i said scenes and scenes are nothing but sequence of events - understand?? or let me make it simpler for you - if i remember correct, GF3 has Vincent killing zasa dressed as a policeman(to avenge destroying their place, the death of mary in front of Michael (akin to saranya dying horrifyingly in front of velu, idhu wife adhu daughter) and ofcourse the famous Pacino reaction to daughter's death......and the series of montages after mary's death replaying his past just like the Nayagan climax with "thenpandi seemayile" in the background........ Originally Posted by groucho070
the crux of this point is there could be similarities between GF and Nayagan - though mostly it is from GF to Nayagan, but there are cases of reverse similarities too because Nayagan is honest effort in portraying the complete character arc of Velu nayackar aka the corleones.........Nayagan is not "just" a inspired by movie u can trash off - it has brilliant sketches of its own........
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 04:21 PM [Full View]
avanga DMa kora sonna, neenga naayagana kora solluveengala - enna nyayam idhu Originally Posted by P_R
padathOda crux-E adhu dhaanEnga!
MADDY, indha maadhiri dhaan nEthulErndhu Odikittu irukku. idhukku respond paNNA, ennamO Mani Ratnathukku TV-serial kooda edukka theriyAdhu 'ngra maadhiri naanga solradhaa, neenga ninaichukkureenga.
To quote equa quoting vivek from the paNiyaaram scene: "pOtturavaa?"
De gustibus non est disputandum...irundhaalum...
well, i agree with Roshan that Nayagan is far more arresting and engaging than DM but i didnt see cliche or contrive-giri in DM.......kamal brings out things with absolute ease in DM unlike some of his much hyped successors ......
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 04:24 PM [Full View]
well, Mani never said like that - he just said, that story had to take such similar turns and events.........thats why he confidently says, Nayagan is his movie.........what makes you think, that u understand this fact but mani overlooks it - ennanga, u know the cult following he has here and the revolution he is?? Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: rsubras on 2nd November 2011 04:24 PM [Full View]
intha debate la result enniku announce pannuvanga?
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From: ajithfederer on 2nd November 2011 04:31 PM [Full View]
Thevar Magan >>>>> Nayagan.
The finest adaptation of Godfather and the single most best tribute to that film. One of the very few films which could be clubbed in the very odd(oxymoronic)category of Inspired, Original and Inspirational.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 04:31 PM [Full View]
Okay, okay, it came from writing based on a single source. Saranya dying horrifyingly is inspired from Appolonia dying horrifyingly in front of Michael. Vincent killing with cop uniform, ithu pala philim, TV seriesla erkanave parthAchu, mAruvEsham pOttu assasin pannurathu, the weak part of that movie (where does this appear in Nayagan again?). Similarly the montage after main character dies, to some serenading music, ithuvum pala philimsla parthAchu, particularly the biopics. The others spoke of Michael's reaction and its influence by Kurosawa.
But then you are right about scenes are nothing but sequence of events. I guess you are exhausted too. Ittodu niruttikuvOm. You have your points, and so do I. Thanks for responding.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 04:33 PM [Full View]
Ithu ennamO mirattura mAthiri irukku. AnnA, nA illang...chumma...oru ithukku....tea sappiduringgalA Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: groucho070 on 2nd November 2011 04:34 PM [Full View]
Let's have a poll. Both side nallA vAthAdurAngga. It will be interesting to know what non-participants think through the poll. Mods??? Originally Posted by rsubras
intha debate la result enniku announce pannuvanga?
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd November 2011 04:36 PM [Full View]
Officezhs
Idha archive log la pottrunga. Overdose already (akin to the guilt one would feel after something else )
Maddy
By the by, naan kurippitta nabar Mr Judge illa, inga ippa irukka koodiya unga friend
//End of the day's play
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From: Mahen on 2nd November 2011 04:47 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 04:55 PM [Full View]
naa yengaa merattanum - im just checking if u know Maniratnam and have watched his movies Originally Posted by groucho070
Ithu ennamO mirattura mAthiri irukku. AnnA, nA illang...chumma...oru ithukku....tea sappiduringgalA
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 04:55 PM [Full View]
Maddy, do you know the cult figure groucho is here and the revolution he is?
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 05:01 PM [Full View]
Maddy, sorry to say you are skirting around questions asked in good faith. Feeyar pointed out how you simply misinterpreted my question to just take the mike and preach an unrelated generalised point. How do we engage with you? Tell me.Btw, Edho oru book padichukittu nayagan pArtha balance Agumningale? Enna book? Adhu enna solludhu? Nayaganla enna solludhu. Balance epdi aavum? Adhellaam konjam solringaLA?
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 05:05 PM [Full View]
i have read abt Groucho Marx a lot Originally Posted by Plum
Maddy, do you know the cult figure groucho is here and the revolution he is?
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From: raajarasigan on 2nd November 2011 05:13 PM [Full View]
For me, Nayagan > DM athu than remba pudikkin.. yen ethukkunnellam ennai kudaiyaatheenga.. andha alavukku alasi ezutha varAthu...
Nayagan - matthavanga sollithan enakku athu great film'nu solla thevai illai... first time paarthappave, ithu kaaviyama than irunchu..
DM - ithoda greatness, matthvanga ithai patthi pesi / ezhuthinatha paarthu padichu than therinchu... oru kaalathula, sivaji character saagura varaikkum than naan indha padame paarppen.. appuram than maaruchu..
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 05:14 PM [Full View]
No, Plum - the entire discussion was started in outright rejection of nayagan and routine nakkals abt mani's works........i think enough has been discussed - exhibition bomma madhiri, naa vidaama 12 hrs kooviyaachu, podhum Originally Posted by Plum
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From: raghavendran on 2nd November 2011 05:15 PM [Full View]
precisely the point Originally Posted by raajarasigan
For me, Nayagan > DM athu than remba pudikkin.. yen ethukkunnellam ennai kudaiyaatheenga.. andha alavukku alasi ezutha varAthu...
Nayagan - matthavanga sollithan enakku athu great film'nu solla thevai illai... first time paarthappave, ithu kaaviyama than irunchu.
DM - ithoda greatness, matthvanga ithai patthi pesi / ezhuthinatha paarthu padichu than therinchu.... oru kaalathula, sivaji character saagura varaikkum than naan indha padame paarppen.. appuram than maaruchu..
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 05:18 PM [Full View]
Adhellaam kedayaadhu. Nayaganla depth illainu dhaane sonnom? Depth irukkungaradhukkaga dhane andha philosophy book ellaam kondu vandhinga. Nejamave depth irukkunnu ninga feel paNNinAl, nejamaave andha bokk-ai padichukittE nayagan pArthA adhellaam pulapadumnA, ninga badhil solli dhaan aaganum. Illaina we have to take it as a quick and dirty response to counter the lack of depth allegation. Many a time, your posts give that feel - something vaguely quoted to refute a point but never explained or backed up. Prove me wrong!
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From: raghavendran on 2nd November 2011 05:21 PM [Full View]
oru knowledge kaga kekren..depthna edha mean panringanu ninga solla mudiyuma?
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 05:25 PM [Full View]
Again from the beginning
Raghav, depth ellaam avangavanga virupatha poruthathu. You ask a Vijay fan - Velayutham'la enthentha scene ellaam depth appadinnu explain paNNuvaanga. No offence meant on Vijay fans here. And no offense meant on DM too.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd November 2011 05:29 PM [Full View]
Ramarasan song ("Enga ooru paatta pathi enna nenaikkira") Originally Posted by raghavendran
P1: "Aazhamunna enna?"
P2 (Raaja voice): "Adhu romba deep-ma"
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From: raghavendran on 2nd November 2011 05:32 PM [Full View]
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 05:34 PM [Full View]
naa unga post pathhiye pesala Originally Posted by Plum
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 05:35 PM [Full View]
Before things get out of hand, let me clarify that I have said that 'depth' is NOT a necessary condition in a good film.
AFA GF adaptation goes, K2G "beats TM black and blue", TM-la subtlety paththalai were the charges. TM-la subtlety kammi-na sonnadhunaala dhaan exaambil koduththEn. That's all.
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 05:36 PM [Full View]
aduththa line-la sollAma vittadhula edhunA uLkuththu irukkA? :P Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Ramarasan song ("Enga ooru paatta pathi enna nenaikkira")
P1: "Aazhamunna enna?"
P2 (Raaja voice): "Adhu romba deep-ma"
saNdainnu vandhuttA, naanga ellAthaiyin metaphorize, allegorize paNNuvOm.
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 05:41 PM [Full View]
Successor yaaru? Originally Posted by MADDY
......kamal brings out things with absolute ease in DM unlike some of his much hyped successors ......
oru vELai Neenga actor Kamalai solreengaLA? avar kedakkuraaru vidunga.
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 05:47 PM [Full View]
pala ,. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: P_R on 2nd November 2011 05:53 PM [Full View]
Writing,direction-la yaarumE successor kidaiyAdhu.
idhai pala varusham munnAdi 'best director' dhreat-layE sonnEn. (tortoise coil twirl)
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From: joe on 2nd November 2011 06:02 PM [Full View]
Bala , why blood ? Same blood
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From: Anban on 2nd November 2011 06:05 PM [Full View]
basically, this is a Kamal vs Mani thread.. My vote for Kamal Haasan as always
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 06:17 PM [Full View]
Maddy, this is another tangential answer. Ennatha pEsaRadhu ungaloda? Regarding depth, adhukku velayudhamlaam koNdu varra waare wah samaalification topBeauty is in beholder's eyes-ai epdiyellaam misuse pandraangappaa
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 06:24 PM [Full View]
Basically, indha threadla enna nadandhudhunnASaai: nayagan sedhukkirukkainga. Devar magan sedhukkalaiRoshan: you are right. I have been waiting for someone to say this.Grouch, feeyaar,me: devar maganla depth irukku, mannin manam irukku, social concernm irukku, adhu thuruthaama iyalbaa irukku etc etcMaddy: nayaganum oru peg adichukitte, book padichukitte paarthaa balance aaydium(enna balance aagum? Theriyaadhu. Presumably a refutal to lack of depth allegation)Then everyone accuses each other of agenda. One thing I find is Nayagan side doesn't backup their claims on the movie with examples from the movie. Except for some vague statements that "all supporting cast did well in Nayagan".Then a whole lot of vacilliatipn between "trendsetter for gangster flicks" to "refernce for outdoor location shooting" "life and times of a gangster, but don't bother about authenticity of the gangsterness", "epic tale without emphasis on location".I'd like to argue with someone who has more clairty on what they are arguing for. Sigh!
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 2nd November 2011 06:38 PM [Full View]
konja naaLaave MADDY mild-kola veriyoda alaiyuraaru. yennu theriyala.
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From: MADDY on 2nd November 2011 06:46 PM [Full View]
mild kola veri Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
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From: NOV on 2nd November 2011 06:50 PM [Full View]
Done.... Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: rsubras on 2nd November 2011 06:54 PM [Full View]
some Paradoxical questions Apologies
If Nayagan was directed by some one else other than Manirathnam lets say R.Sundarrajan, or if in Devar Magan Kamal's dad role was played by Vijayakumar or in the worst case if Nayagan and Devar Magan protoganist Rajkiran ah irunthiruntha........ would the discussion and the heated arguments still have happened?
well the point i am trying to make it...it is the story's depth, screenplay, presentation (acting comes in presentation) that should give a particular film a legendary status ....
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 2nd November 2011 06:57 PM [Full View]
ippadi mottaiyaa athuvaa ithuvaannu kettaa eppadi?!? (i never read this thiread) "enakku anil kumbleyum veNum, sagotharar Rajiniyum veNum"
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From: NOV on 2nd November 2011 07:03 PM [Full View]
vote pannuratharkku munnaadi, rendu pakka vaadhaththaiyum nallaa padichuttu appuram thaan vote pannanum... ellaa electionlayum appadi thaanE? Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
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From: app_engine on 2nd November 2011 07:10 PM [Full View]
Plum kitta udhirippookkaLA / DMmAnnu kEttuppArunga Originally Posted by rsubras
Directors of great calibre have done competent stuff with Charuhasans too (and not necessarily Kamalahasans)
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 07:12 PM [Full View]
Anil Kumblekkum Rajinikkum enna sambandham? :scratchhead: . In what circumstance does a person have to choose between Kumble and Rajini? Subbus - Raj Kran and NattamaiyA? VeLangidum. Indha maadhri kettukitte ponaa, Mahandhila Kamalukku badhilaa vadivelu irundha ivlo nalaa irukkumannum pogalaam. But koot question - thinking about it, actually, TM will not suffer much from lack of Kamal, the actor I think. Enna gauthamikku oNNu reNdu kiss kooda kuRaiya Agum. Prabhu vechchu eduthurundhA (blasphemy) kooda nallaa dhaan irundhirukkum. Only NT is irreplaceable. Prabhu may not have been as good as Kamal but would do enough to keep the classic and great status of the movie. NT-Prabhu - andha "ungala thaane" dialogue vERa mAdhiri resonate Agi irukkum, But Nayagan without Kamal -. Ippo kooda TM remake Surya-Kamal or Surya-Rajini or Ajith-Rajini vechu paNNalAm. But Nayagan - no way. In that sense, TM's script stands stronger. P.s: doesn't mean that Ajith/Surya = Kamal or Rajini= NT. Anbargal dhayavu seidhu edai pOttu niruththi nidhaanamaga yosithu badhil aLikkavum.
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From: app_engine on 2nd November 2011 07:14 PM [Full View]
Plum, I think he quotes Kamal's speech during Kaveri dispute (means, we want to love KA people too).
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From: rsubras on 2nd November 2011 07:17 PM [Full View]
removed my post as i thought that will be causing unnecessary digressions
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 07:18 PM [Full View]
Two amendments to above post: 1) add madhavan to the list. Infact, if he were younger, the best choice. 2) udane Prabhu in that dhaadi-meesai of Shakti, prabhu singing Saandhu pottu ellaam imagine paNNi pArththen - sagikkala. Those scenes would have had to go if Prabhu had been there but think it could have been made up in other ways.
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From: Plum on 2nd November 2011 07:29 PM [Full View]
App, oh got it. Thanks
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From: Dinesh84 on 2nd November 2011 07:50 PM [Full View]
reverse Originally Posted by raajarasigan
For me, Nayagan > DM athu than remba pudikkin.. yen ethukkunnellam ennai kudaiyaatheenga.. andha alavukku alasi ezutha varAthu...
Nayagan - matthavanga sollithan enakku athu great film'nu solla thevai illai... first time paarthappave, ithu kaaviyama than irunchu..
DM - ithoda greatness, matthvanga ithai patthi pesi / ezhuthinatha paarthu padichu than therinchu... oru kaalathula, sivaji character saagura varaikkum than naan indha padame paarppen.. appuram than maaruchu..
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From: Sarna on 2nd November 2011 08:18 PM [Full View]
adheppadinga ennOda posts'a mattum thEdi pudichu delete panreenga
sammandha patta posts ellaam innum appadiyE irukku.... as few says, this hub is ONLY for !@#$%^ and *&^%#$
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From: Sarna on 2nd November 2011 08:22 PM [Full View]
idhey hub'la vijay'yavum vijay fans'avum konjam orumaadhiri vimarsanam panraanga... but vijay fans are matured enough to undertake it... but sivaji/kamal'a pathi konjam orumaadhiri vimrsanam pannaa, but sila sivaji/kamal fans'aala adha thaangikka mudiyala aanaa-oona maturity/maternity sanitary napkin posts'nu thatperuma vEra
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From: cinema on 2nd November 2011 08:40 PM [Full View]
Not tharperuma. They are asking for counter-argument on the same lines. The counter-arugment should have weightage to compete. They should give the greatness of nayakan on the basis of content and not on the basis of statements such as flawless, engaging, epic and entertaining. Originally Posted by Sarna
idhey hub'la vijay'yavum vijay fans'avum konjam orumaadhiri vimarsanam panraanga... but vijay fans are matured enough to undertake it... but sivaji/kamal'a pathi konjam orumaadhiri vimrsanam pannaa, but sila sivaji/kamal fans'aala adha thaangikka mudiyala aanaa-oona maturity/maternity sanitary napkin posts'nu thatperuma vEra
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From: rajeshkrv on 2nd November 2011 08:45 PM [Full View]
definitely Devar magan for Simple but Strong. Nayagan was good in many ways but DM scrores atleast 15% more than Nayagan.. They way it's presented is mindblowing. I dont want to say nayagan is for national audience blah blah..etc.. DM was very real. A normal devar community of south (no dadagiri/goonda giri) but the family rift bloodshed , patriotism, romance, respect etc etc was well brought out on the screen. 2 scenes to just compare.. Kamal asking Sarnya to Marry and Kamal tying knot with Revathi.. the former one is definitely a mumbai related stuff and yes ofcourse only hero marries a girl from these kind of places .. but in DM due to situation kamal marrying revathi was not un real situation.. it was presented well and can be related well with the community and the generation as well. Just my opinion though.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd November 2011 08:54 PM [Full View]
Sikkinaan sinnachaamy Originally Posted by joe
Bala , why blood ? Same blood
Kaippulla, kelambruuuu!
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From: ajithfederer on 2nd November 2011 09:00 PM [Full View]
Scene by scene comparison pannalama?.
Vadiveluvai kamal paathutu veetukku varuvaaru. Veetukulla enter aagum podhe romba vegama vandhu kodayae valadhu pakkam veesuvaaru. Periya Ayya "eyy sakthi"nnu koopitta odane kamal avarai thedi naalapuramum paakura scene(oru rendu second dhan) arumaya irukkum. Adhukadutha scene pathi ellam sollave venam. Edharthamna appadi oru edhartham. Cake-la irukkara cherry madhiri oru dialog enaku romba pudicha vasanam "Thadiyum meesaiyum vechukittu nenjai nimirndhu ayyava paathu pesara vayasilla". Sorry ladies idhellam ungalukku piiiriyaadhu
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From: joe on 2nd November 2011 09:08 PM [Full View]
..... Originally Posted by P_R
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From: Sarna on 2nd November 2011 09:09 PM [Full View]
thread title'ku sammandha pesureenga paarunga, adhukkaagavE oru Originally Posted by cinema
but naan sonnadhu vEra oru context'la
and
for anbu ullangal's alert thru PM : nalla vEla sudhaarichitten.... illEnaa arimaathulaigalin kevalamaana dirty politics sikki iruppEn
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From: joe on 2nd November 2011 09:13 PM [Full View]
..... Originally Posted by P_R
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From: joe on 2nd November 2011 09:14 PM [Full View]
..... Originally Posted by P_R
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From: Mahen on 2nd November 2011 09:48 PM [Full View]
Oh really? intha mathiri asssumption ellam panna kudathu..maybe he couldnt even reach that Originally Posted by cinema
Voted Nayagan..CLASSIC..and not a fan of Kamal the writer/director
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From: cinema on 2nd November 2011 09:51 PM [Full View]
My post was just for fun based on the assumption that kamal never commented about uthiri pookkal I am not surprised to know that not many people here are not fan of kamal the writer/director. Originally Posted by Mahen
Oh really? intha mathiri asssumption ellam panna kudathu..maybe he couldnt even reach that
Voted Nayagan..CLASSIC..and not a fan of Kamal the writer/director
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From: rajeshkrv on 2nd November 2011 09:57 PM [Full View]
Sri Ranga ranga nathanin - why is that song brought here for discussion. It's well picturized within it's context and that is a film where in a MIL-SIL relationship was shown in a great way and SNLakshmi hats off..
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 11:04 PM [Full View]
A friend of mine who used to be very critical about Devar Magan said the same thing about Kamal marrying Revathi. Idhellaam Hero mattumthaan paNNuvaar nejethula adhu saathyamae illa appadinnu.Kamal asking Sarnya to Marry and Kamal tying knot with Revathi.. the former one is definitely a mumbai related stuff and yes ofcourse.. but in DM due to situation kamal marrying revathi was not un real situation.. it was presented well and can be related well with the community and the generation as well. Just my opinion though.only hero marries a girl from these kind of places
And regarding UP I have seen it long time back on TV (if I remember correct). The only thing I remember about the film is the main role was done by Vijayan. I have to watch it again to understand as to why it is rated as great by some critics.
But Nayagan or Devar Magan were different. As rajarasigan said paatha udanae idhu oru classic appadinnu thOnuna padangaL. But between the two Nayagan is the best for me. I have already given reasons as to why I dont rate DM over Nayagan. immuRai point form-il;
1. THe movie is engaging only up to the point of Periya Devar's death.
2. adhukkappuram koncham thoivu - oru boring effect appappO vanthu pOgum
3. Revathi was a missfit
4. Nasser was appropriate but I dont see anything great for people to rave about his performance (I have seen some people doing it). You can easily fit in Prakash Raj in that role and I think he would looked more 'stronger' than Nasser.
5. Those savaal vidum scenes "unakkuLLa muzhichittu irukkura mirugam" looked great during the first couple of viewings but not anymore
6. Gandhimathi's tiny gramathu kizhavi role - adhellaam maN vaasanaileyae paathaachu.
6. When ever I have reviisted the movie I havent been able to sit through after Banu's return episode.
7 And the romance between Kamal and Gauthami is a trade mark (and to some extent puLichupOna) Kamal romance which we have seen in 'n' number of Kamal films
In Nayagan;
1. There is no excessive/raw romance, between Kamal and Saranya but you would still feel that bonding/love between them. It was very natural. When Kamal says "neela asthi karairathukulla antha reddiyar kudumbatha mudichuranum" - no narambu murukkufying, kan sevanthufying scenes but one would still feel the love,anger, loss,pain, frustration and vengeance.
2. Even a simple but cute scene like daughter kissing the mother and Kamal asking "yaarathu en pondaattikku muththam kodukkuRathu" was a beautiful potrayal of the love between the two.
2. The way Janakaraj acknowledges and appreciates Kamal when Kamal suddenly reveals to Janakaraj about his decision to marry Saranya. Not a single word spoken but still it touches your soul (IR's BGM needs special mention here)
3. Velu Nayakar and daugher confrontation scene and the daughter slapping Janakaraj and Kamal's reaction. namma veetula appadi oru sambavam nadanthaa ippadithaan reaction irunthirukkumnu nenekiRa aLavukku natural. "yaarukitta irunthu vanthuthu intha kai neettuRa pazhakkam" - simple but very poweful. No preaching about kai neettufying to an elderly person. And Janakaraj's immediate response "namma kittu irunthuthaan" makes you everytime you see it.
4. The cast selection for both the Jr/Sr role(s) of the mentally challenged son of the police officer is just one example for Maniratnam's greatness in picking up a perfect set of cast for each role. Saranya's debut film and she was just appropriate.
5. The picturisation of "nee oru kaadhal sangeetham" - would surely have a place in the list of 10 most poetically and beautifully picturised songs (Kudos to the entire team there).
6. Kamal's response after seeing his son's burnt body. oru azhagaana sOga Kavithai !
7. Velu Nayakar offering his vetrilai petti to his son NizhalgaL Ravi as a token of appreciation after being impressed with the way his son has emulated him and as a token of welcome to his don world. And the way NizhalgaL Ravi acknowledges it. Again not a single word spoken yet chanceless!
6. Balakumran's dialogues - no preaching, no rough and tough philosophical lines, yet strong, powerful and hits the right chords.
7. And camera, BGM paththiyellaam sollavae theavaiyilla. Adhellam question paNRathu blasphamy.
These are just a few. Ezhuthittae pOgalaam about Naayagan.
In terms of acting there is no DM without NT and there is no Nayagan without Kamal. So even on that grounds as a fan of Kamal the actor, Nayagan beats Devar Magan hands down.
Regarding the trend setting thing of Nayagan I believe k_g has written all things possible to justify and I agree with him totally.
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 11:13 PM [Full View]
100% agree with you on that ! idha naan palamuRai sollittaen. Even during hub meets. Originally Posted by rajeshkrv
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From: cinema on 2nd November 2011 11:18 PM [Full View]
Roshan
KG solRa trend setting mattum eduththukkureeenga aana avaru DM is far more than Nayagan'u solRaru atha eduththukka maattaennu adam pidikkireenga. Ennamo paththu seyyunga.
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 11:24 PM [Full View]
Regarding Kamal's performance in Nayagan, with all respect and belief in Kamal's impeccable acting skills, I beleive Maniratnam had great control over Kamal in Nayagan. That's why we got to see Velu Nayakar and not Kamal Haasan through out the movie.In terms of acting there is no DM without NT and there is no Nayagan without Kamal. So even on that grounds as a fan of Kamal the actor, Nayagan beats Devar Magan hands down
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 11:25 PM [Full View]
How kiddish is this! I dont have to agree on all what k_g has said just becuase I agree with hin on one aspect. That's one thing I agree about Nayagan and I have many other things to like Nayagan more than Devar Magan (as explained above) and dislike DM compared to Nayagan (again as explained above) Neengathaan konjam paathu yosichu nadanthukkanum. Originally Posted by cinema
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From: cinema on 2nd November 2011 11:30 PM [Full View]
It is not kiddish. I just saw the matter of convenience there. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 11:36 PM [Full View]
Oh ! then perhaps scotoma - the mind sees what it chooses to see. Originally Posted by cinema
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From: Roshan on 2nd November 2011 11:48 PM [Full View]
Nayagan Vs Devar Magan - though both subjects deal with family, blood and revenge and inspired by God Father - Naayagan looked subtle and poetic and DM was preachy and philosophical. And I usually prefer poetic stuff to philosophical stuff.
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From: P_R on 3rd November 2011 12:00 AM [Full View]
Yeah I remember this intree. IIRC he was rebuffing Shyam Benegal for not seeing the masters KB, Mahendran etc. Originally Posted by cinema
I also remember being troubled by this statement.
I remember UP in snatches
MuLLum malarum - very good and all that.
Johnny - I don't get what the fuss is about.
nenjathai kiLLaadhE in parts - basically it didn't interest me to keep watching
That Radhika, Vadivukkarasi movie -
And from this, IMO, MR towers over him. And MR is not someone who is free with his words/praise. He meant them in all earnest.
So he has indeed seen something in UP which has escaped me.
Nice posts Flau, some of them I remember you posting earlier under similar circumstances
paathuttu pEsurEn. Originally Posted by Flau
I remember going WTF about this. Originally Posted by Flau
Hmm Originally Posted by Flau
prachanai lightA puriyudhunnu ninaikkaREn Originally Posted by k_g
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From: P_R on 3rd November 2011 12:04 AM [Full View]
Total damage. Biragaas Raajukku somersault adikka varumA? Originally Posted by Roshan
Nasser was all kinds of brilliant in that film.
One instance being veRi in the granary scene. The lusty joy(!) when he sees Sakthi also take an aruvaaL in his hands (vaadaa yEn thEvan mavanE)
If Biragaas had tried saying "edupatta sirukki un thalaiyum" to SNL, he wouldn't have been menacing, she'd've walked up to him and boxed his ears.
"ippo neer ukkArum" to Sivaji
"aduththa varusham dhaanE...adhukku innum munnootharuvathanju naaL irukku"
the snide laugh when Thalaivaasal Vijay falls drunk at the ghat.
"vaaila vachchukka suttukkasollu"
Nasser only fossible.
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From: Roshan on 3rd November 2011 12:07 AM [Full View]
Nenjathai kiLLaathae eppadiyum ungaLukku pidikkiRathukku vaippilla, because there is Mrs Maniratnam Originally Posted by P_R
And even I dont get the fuss about Johhny. Sreedevi remba azhaga, cute'a iruppaanga, nalla songs .. and then....
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From: Nerd on 3rd November 2011 06:51 AM [Full View]
Yov Movie Cop idhellaam umakkE overaa theriyalai?
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From: groucho070 on 3rd November 2011 07:17 AM [Full View]
Thanks NOV. Originally Posted by NOV
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 07:36 AM [Full View]
Nerd, you mean cinema is moviecop? If it is true, epdiya idhellaam teknikA kaNdupidikkiringa? (Like nailing rajaram with just one post)
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 07:39 AM [Full View]
Feeyar ennadhu MR beats Mahendran black and bluevA? Although you didn't say it, enakku apdi dhaan thONudhu reading between the lines. Revision to yesterday's assesment: Thou art fit not even for treasons, spoils and strategems. What's worse than that? Shakespeare didn't tell me but whatever it is, that is your lot
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From: Nerd on 3rd November 2011 07:43 AM [Full View]
Plumji, no. Cinema yaarunnu enakkum theriyalai.. MC poll-la thillu mullu panraapla
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 07:44 AM [Full View]
Those who say git has detailed the trendsetting, reference-being qualities of nayagan, I dare you to try to explain his posts (without PM-iing him for help). Idhai mattum ninga pannittaa, adhai kid correctnu oputhukittanaan indha hub-aiye quit pannidaren. I think kid's posts are just a crutch here .
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From: NOV on 3rd November 2011 07:59 AM [Full View]
dont you dare issue challenges like that Originally Posted by Plum
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 08:15 AM [Full View]
Ada paavigala ivvalavu solliyum nambalaiyaa? I hope moviecop himself make it clear. Naan romba pazhaiya aaLunga ungalukku therijirukka vaaippillai unless you have been here since 2000. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 08:16 AM [Full View]
Nov, git posts mEla enakku avLO kaanfident. ReNdu nAL kazhichu kEttA avarE correct explanation kuduppArAnnE enakku oru doubt
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 08:18 AM [Full View]
Cinema, NOv has been here since 2000 so sollunga. Nerd already clarified that he didn't mean you are moviecop.Btw, moviecop enna oozhal paNNAr? Oru vote dhaane potturukkaar?
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 08:22 AM [Full View]
I already told i was here with name cine_info and cinefan. I think I remember Joe and he used to call himself as Milton if I remember correct. Other than that I don't remember much current names because they either changed the name or left the hub.
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From: NOV on 3rd November 2011 08:45 AM [Full View]
yes, since 2004... a sample... Originally Posted by cinema
http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...369#post465369
but why this new avathar? I dont remember cinefan being banned
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 08:48 AM [Full View]
Ok not that one then. Because I cine_info and cinefan when hub was not moderated(you can change user name for every post then). After than i created this user name cinema at 2004. I was never banned as a matter of fact. Originally Posted by NOV
yes, since 2004... a sample...
http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...369#post465369
but why this new avathar? I dont remember cinefan being banned
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From: NOV on 3rd November 2011 08:52 AM [Full View]
Hub and TFM Page have always been moderated. Originally Posted by cinema
maybe you mean as in logging in?
yes, prior to end 2004, posting in Hub did not require logging in...
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From: Nerd on 3rd November 2011 08:54 AM [Full View]
Avaru Tirisaaa maadhiri oru kaalaththula... :P Originally Posted by Plum
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 08:59 AM [Full View]
ok not strict moderation then anyway yes you are right that time it did not require any login and that is why you can enter any name you want. But it was very funny during those days though. Originally Posted by NOV
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From: joe on 3rd November 2011 09:11 AM [Full View]
Yessu Originally Posted by cinema
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 09:13 AM [Full View]
I got it right then. Do you remember one die hard fan of Sivaji and he was also a fan of Kamal just like you. Do you remember his name and is he still here. He appriciates Sivaji Mr Radha and Kamal as trinity of tamil cinema. Originally Posted by joe
Yessu
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 09:17 AM [Full View]
Nerd, puriyala. PM, pls.
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From: groucho070 on 3rd November 2011 09:19 AM [Full View]
Hallo, intha PM cultura vonA-nu neenggathAne sonningga. Nerd, come on, what crime did Movie Cop commit? Originally Posted by Plum
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 09:45 AM [Full View]
I don't think so. Is Geno fan of Kamal and Vairamuthu? Not sure though. The guy I have been talking is almost like you big fan of Sivaji and but rates Kamal movies very high. The last time I saw his posting was during Anbe Sivam. That time our hub was not still requiring login. Anyway I had lot of good moments in hub those days. Originally Posted by joe
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From: MADDY on 3rd November 2011 09:46 AM [Full View]
The moments....moments where u dont care abt. anything but the girl in front of you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclgPe8g8uA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDEtrwXzEf4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL1h2d7E5jc
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From: ajithfederer on 3rd November 2011 09:54 AM [Full View]
Why are the voter names made public?/.
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From: NOV on 3rd November 2011 10:05 AM [Full View]
to catch those with multiple id's Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Plum, continue your discussion on UP here and soon enough we will have a spin-off thread
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From: groucho070 on 3rd November 2011 10:12 AM [Full View]
Wait, how can you see the voters name? Enakku theriyamAttengguthu.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 3rd November 2011 10:14 AM [Full View]
Tamizharasan vaakkalithirukkaar. Haven't seen him post for a long while. Eppadi sir irukkeenga?
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From: Balaji.r on 3rd November 2011 10:14 AM [Full View]
MC = Miss chennai = 3sha ?? Originally Posted by Plum
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 3rd November 2011 10:14 AM [Full View]
Vaakku ennikkaila click pannungo Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: groucho070 on 3rd November 2011 10:16 AM [Full View]
Okay, thanks.
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From: MADDY on 3rd November 2011 10:20 AM [Full View]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q7O3vKYLuY
forget the dialogues and performances - the loss that a death causes have never been captured better than Selvaraghavan
chinna pasanga romance-la ellam engayo poitaanga - traditionally, its our home ground........its the noir, man v machine conflicts, capturing real life violence, multi-threaded stories etc are the ones where they are struggling....
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From: joe on 3rd November 2011 10:26 AM [Full View]
Maddy, What is the relevance to the videos posted and this thread?
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From: MADDY on 3rd November 2011 10:30 AM [Full View]
Johnny's romance was invoked here, so thought i would post some samples that i liked from the new guys and ManiraTnam.........i dunno how to compare, but the new guys have done a terrific job too Originally Posted by joe
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From: P_R on 3rd November 2011 10:30 AM [Full View]
neenga ketta vaarthaila thittinaalum, idhai naan endha courtla vENumnaalum vandhu solvEn. Originally Posted by Plum
Feeyar ennadhu MR beats Mahendran black and bluevA? Although you didn't say it, enakku apdi dhaan thONudhu reading between the lines. Revision to yesterday's assesment: Thou art fit not even for treasons, spoils and strategems. What's worse than that? Shakespeare didn't tell me but whatever it is, that is your lot
Anjali opening sequence
Collector-Deva-Surya meeting scene, pradhakshaNa camera
Agni Natchathram - you want to sendimend I gyuw : enga veettu poNNu dhaan (Sumitra about Tara to sekoorty)
The whole sparring has been external pride based and look at the first time an acknowledgement is coming.
Then too the words chosen are perfect, not over the top.
Imagine feeling the 'lesser' in such a situation. It is only in Tara, Jeyachitra holding back in the hospital that you really feel what Ashok was angry about all along. Even in such a life-and-death situ, they feel bound by their station. And the mere act of being able to express her concern freely, makes Sumitra come across as an 'oppressor'.
'seekkiram vandhurunga padichu padichu soNNaalEdA...innaikkum andha ezhaveduththa veettukku pOgaNumA?" by SNL. We know it as house with people, a family. From their perspective it IS the other house. And, pardon the word - realistic- dialogues even when being hardhitting
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From: ajithfederer on 3rd November 2011 10:36 AM [Full View]
Beats me too.
Originally Posted by joe
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From: MADDY on 3rd November 2011 10:43 AM [Full View]
SJS's vaali captured the typical tamil guy's "girlfriend in imagination" beautifully......... Originally Posted by Plum
reg murugadoss - this sequence shocked me - a complete spin off from the tamil ghajini.....the montage like movements where romance lingers with Aamir and adds to the sadness quotient of kalpana character.....ofcourse AR and Aamir take a lot of credit for it but direction still reads murugadoss.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O-9P9YcvH8
kaadhal-la naama engayo poittom.......Johnny is something in the league of Kurusowa's Kagemusha where the DON and the simpleton have facial similarities and the problems arising due to it......i think Johnny is much beautiful than what we all think......
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From: VinodKumar's on 3rd November 2011 11:02 AM [Full View]
Accident ah intha topic innaiku thaan en kannula pattuchu ... orkut la yum oru community la ithae name la oru thread ... Inga opin pannavaru thaan angayum pannara ???
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From: VinodKumar's on 3rd November 2011 11:03 AM [Full View]
Ok got the answer in first post ... Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
Nayagan VS Thevar magan !!
I read this topic in an another forum and found it to be interesting. Both the films are termed to be cult classics of Tamil Cinema.
Nayagan enjoys international exposure and its the only Indian movie listed in Times 100 all time best movies. An epic character called Vellu nayakar was effortlessly essayed by KH and directed by one of the most talented director of Indian cinema Mani ratinam.
Where as in the other hand Thevar magan's script and screenplay acts as a bounded reference for lot of young aspiring directors and the movie has the two legends of Tamil cinema at its best "Nadigar thilagam" and "KH" .
Both the movies enjoyed the awesome soundtrack of IR . and Both have their part of inspiration from Godfather.
Which movie worked for you ? Which one do you think is superior to the other and why do you think so?
As far as me , I loved naayagan but I found Thevar megan to be a revelation to Tamil Cinema.
please pour in your views . Mods - Delete this thread, if you feel its Unnecessary .
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From: rajeshkrv on 3rd November 2011 11:14 AM [Full View]
click on the no of votes of eg click 16 . it shows all who have votedWait, how can you see the voters name? Enakku theriyamAttengguthu.
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From: gounder on 3rd November 2011 01:47 PM [Full View]
Nayagan.
Roshan,
Arumai - your post about nayagan.
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From: gounder on 3rd November 2011 02:03 PM [Full View]
Munbu Idha pathi naan oru article eludhinen but siru karuthu verupaadinal veli varala kumudham la.
My two cents:
1.Padam Vandha kaala kattangal kavanikapada vendiyavai mukkiyamaga.
2.and References
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From: Roshan on 3rd November 2011 03:34 PM [Full View]
I think it's neo_mopheous Originally Posted by cinema
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From: Roshan on 3rd November 2011 03:47 PM [Full View]
Thanks Originally Posted by gounder
Nayaganukku scene by scene review ezhuthalaam . Every scene, has got something beautiful. And the scenes without dialogues were of highest standards by all means. Sethukki iruppaangannu Saai sonnathai mutrum muzhuthumaaga vazhimozhigiRaen.
BTW, Yaarunga neenga? I guess you are an old hubber with a new handle?
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From: Roshan on 3rd November 2011 03:48 PM [Full View]
Do you mind sharing it? Originally Posted by gounder
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From: gounder on 3rd November 2011 05:54 PM [Full View]
I dont mind to share roshan but i had written an article around 15 years ago so couldn't remember the exact content. it mainly focused on "references" of each films(in terms of history) in that period. i neither have soft copy nor hard copy of that. Badly missing my references too Originally Posted by Roshan
Really Sorry Roshan.
//BTW, Ur guess is right.I was in the HUB(2006) for very short period(less than 2 months).Uzhaga naadugala suthitu(Kaasuku thaan) return to our thaayagam last year. I totally forgot my old HUB details. So with new ID //
Really nice to read all their views on this topic.
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From: SoftSword on 3rd November 2011 06:27 PM [Full View]
Oted for Thevar Magan, mainly cos of Thevar and Magan in that order.
this was quite natural than Nayagan which looks a bit(comparitively) of a drama...(like answer which looks more dramatic, DM or Nayagan)
whereas nayagan, as the name suggests, 'look at me...i am a nayagan(, who will become a ulaganayagan in future)'
'lets make it like how it would great it would be when Kamal and Mani come together'
so nayagan, they wanted to make a masterpiece, and it came out as a masterpiece...
DM, they wanted to make a story like that and it ended up being a masterpiece...
solradhu pireelena, olarurenu solli free vitrunga...
sometimes i see DM as a Sivaji film with Kamal taking it to a different leven in the second half...
and Nayagan, only Kamal on top with mani and IR supporting him on the shoulders and raising him...
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 06:42 PM [Full View]
Softie, enakku piriyudhu enna solla varrengannu
idhu konjam overu softie, Nayagan was what made Mani a great director. He was just a 3 film old director - with one succesful and good film among that; nobody knew about PAP and Unaroo then. It must have taken some spark for Kamal to take up that with that new a director. The intent cannot have been "Lets show what we can do when we get together". It must have been more like "This director seems to have stuff, and I have a great opportunity here" by Kamal, and "I have an idea of a lifetime, and I have the right man to help me execute it" by Mani.'lets make it like how it would great it would be when Kamal and Mani come together'
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From: SoftSword on 3rd November 2011 06:54 PM [Full View]
appo enakku chinna vayasu plum... appo endha Rajini padam vandhadhu? mani appo periya appatakkara illama irundhirukkalaam...
so naan sonna andha oru statement'oda intensitya konjam neenga korachi purinjukkonga... but i always feel like nayagan is a reply to wat if kamal and mani come together...
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From: cinema on 3rd November 2011 07:43 PM [Full View]
I think you are right. He is not in the hub any more right? What about some names such as Kajal? Originally Posted by Roshan
I think it's neo_mopheous
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From: Cinemarasigan on 3rd November 2011 07:51 PM [Full View]
Devar Magan is very memorable to me because I could see the Great Actor very nearby during the shoot...
I have watched the shooting of Devar Magan for 7 or 8 days when it was filmed near Pollachi(in and around Vettaikaran Pudhur, Dhali, Thirumoorthy Nagar and nearby villages)and getting regular updates from my classmates / friends in that area.
For the initial shootings Meena & Gowthami, Bharathan were there.. one or 2 days the shooting happened, then it was stopped for a while.. they came back after a month or so. That time Meena was missing, Revathi was there with Gowthami. Bharathan was also there.
Whenever Bharathan was there, he used to chat with NT and other members, but Kamal will be always with PC.Sreeram. . If NT leaves early, Bharathan will also go along with him. But the shooting was progressing even after that with Kamal and other Assistant Directors.
The Kamal's looks and the progress of the shooting were the hot topic in that area for almost a year. Kamal was looking great with the "funk" hairstyle and Beard.. Superb it was..
Once he shaved his beard and had the kept the Devar magan look it was even better..
There was a "ThEr" used in that film, Kamal had seen a "thEr" in the nearby village and asked the art directors to create a replica of it.. Once it was made, every one surprised that it was exactly looking like the original..
For almost 15 - 20 days they built the "Kanmaai", water was filled using lorries for a week.. (approx 5000 tanks)..
When the movie was released on Deepavali day in Pollachi Nallappa, there was huge crowd. People from the nearby villages used to come and see the movie multiple times..
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 08:03 PM [Full View]
CR, that is a unprecedented volume of data on "making of thevar magan" which we cannot get elsewhere. Thanks!
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 08:24 PM [Full View]
thanks bala for asking. I hope you are doing well too. With superstar's sickness I lost interest in movies little bit. And some family issues also for the last several months. Now I came back and hub is still the same. Found this discussion interesting and voted for Devar Magan too. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: vidyasakaran on 3rd November 2011 09:17 PM [Full View]
I was studying 8th std in a school right in between VKPudur and Dhali. An ardent fan of Kamal, but never got a chance to see the shooting, though my friends were talking a lot about it. nalla paiyan! Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
All I could do was to bet, that Devar Magan will be a bigger hit than Kaviya thalaivan, with a VK fan friend.
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From: ajithfederer on 3rd November 2011 09:29 PM [Full View]
Devar Magan
24 66.67%
Nayagan
12 33.33%
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From: HonestRaj on 3rd November 2011 09:45 PM [Full View]
voted - devar magan
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From: VinodKumar's on 3rd November 2011 09:47 PM [Full View]
Naanum nethiku voted for Devar Magan
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From: Mahen on 3rd November 2011 09:52 PM [Full View]
oh gaad..what an insult to nayagan :sigh:...ellam achiriyangal hub-le thaan nadakathu..nayagan voters 99% ellame youth
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 09:53 PM [Full View]
mudhal pakkaththula poyi paththa saai topic aarambichchirukkaaru nayaganthaan nalla padamnu. Aana vote-ai mattum devar maganukku pottuttaaru. Vaazhga jananaaygam. Karunanidhi used to say during MGR period. Koottam mattum inga kooduthu vote-ellam anga poguthu. Adhu maathiri thaan idhu.
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From: HonestRaj on 3rd November 2011 09:55 PM [Full View]
nethikku pOtta vote selladhu... innaikku thirumbhavum pOdanum.. vote
sari sari.. discuss pannunga
Nayagan kooda sila idangalla bore adikkum.. aana Devarmagan'la summa assaulta vilayadirupparu kamal.. DM - class + mass
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From: Mahen on 3rd November 2011 09:56 PM [Full View]
Saai
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From: Saai on 3rd November 2011 09:56 PM [Full View]
adhayellam yenya paakureenga!!!... Originally Posted by tamizharasan
nayagan "paakumpodhu" apdinu disclaimer potrundhanee...ippo naan nayagan paakala
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From: kid-glove on 3rd November 2011 09:56 PM [Full View]
You've reduced everything to just the visual grammar. I've considered the scene, sequence of events and the characters. All after allowing two-noted performance of the actress and pretty standard issue reaction shown by Vijayan that doesn't seem anywhere close to the assumed nuance. It doesn't add up..
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From: HonestRaj on 3rd November 2011 10:01 PM [Full View]
saai.. umakku indha nakkal mattum maarave illai Originally Posted by Saai
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 10:06 PM [Full View]
unga vote-u rejected. If I remember it correct you never watched devar magan. Ithu kaLLa vote-u. Rendu padamum paththa than vote-u podanum. Originally Posted by app_engine
Interesting discussion on UP, nanRi Plum, K_G, P_R!
I'm happy that I was the theeppoRi for this whole digression
kostin to P_R :
Did you watch UP after you watched thoovAnaththumbikaL or years before that?
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From: littlemaster1982 on 3rd November 2011 10:16 PM [Full View]
TA,
App padam paarthuttadha sila pakkangalukku munnadi vaakkumoolam kuduthirukkar
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 3rd November 2011 10:20 PM [Full View]
CR
Lucky phlow
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 10:20 PM [Full View]
appadiya. avaru sonna correct-a thaan irukkum. Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
TA,
App padam paarthuttadha sila pakkangalukku munnadi vaakkumoolam kuduthirukkar
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 3rd November 2011 10:22 PM [Full View]
WB Tamizharasan
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 10:23 PM [Full View]
nanRi hai. I already replied to your post. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
WB Tamizharasan
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From: Roshan on 3rd November 2011 10:27 PM [Full View]
Hi Tamizharasan, eppadi irukeenga? Good to see you Originally Posted by tamizharasan
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From: Plum on 3rd November 2011 10:29 PM [Full View]
Youth thogudhiyulum Thevar MaganukkE kanfaarmed veRRi: Thevar Magan - AravindMano ?Bala (Karthik) ?Balaji.r ?bimmer ?cinema ?Cinemarasigan ?Dinesh84 ?gane14 ?groucho070 ?HonestRaj ?joe ?Kanna ?kid-glove ?NOV ?omega ?Plum ?P_R ?rajeshkrv ?RC ?Saai ?SoftSword ?Srimannarayanan ?tamizharasan ?vidyasakaran ?VinodKumar's ?wizzy ? Nayagan 12 31.58% ?app_engine ?dell_gt ?gounder ?GSV ?Mahen ?Miss Chennai ?Movie Cop ?raajarasigan ?Ramakrishna ?Roshan ?Siv.S ?venkkiram - enga pakkam kanfaarmed youthu = aravind, saai, p-r, kid, vinod, honest, dinesh, softsword. Total: 8. Unga pakkam kanfaarmed youth - only Mahen,Ramakrishba, gsv(?). Ada Siv.S serthukittalum count only 3. Maddy poda pogum vottu serthaa kooda 4. Youth constituency also oursmA
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 10:29 PM [Full View]
Naan nalla irukken. Thanks for asking. Neenga eppadi irukkeenga. Originally Posted by Roshan
Hi Tamizharasan, eppadi irukeenga? Good to see you
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From: Roshan on 3rd November 2011 10:31 PM [Full View]
Good good, naanum nallaa irukkaen Originally Posted by tamizharasan
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From: app_engine on 3rd November 2011 10:34 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
BTW, per my memory, my post on last seen movie / doc thread on DM had a special mention of the fantastic 'சீரழிச்சுப் புட்டியளே' by Revathy
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From: joe on 3rd November 2011 10:39 PM [Full View]
சே ..நாயகன் தோல்வியைப் பார்த்து மகிழும் நிலைக்கு நம்மை ஆளாக்கிட்டாங்களே
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From: vidyasakaran on 3rd November 2011 10:51 PM [Full View]
<32 youth-na, onnu koottunga! Originally Posted by Plum
Youth thogudhiyulum Thevar MaganukkE kanfaarmed veRRi: Thevar Magan - AravindMano ?Bala (Karthik) ?Balaji.r ?bimmer ?cinema ?Cinemarasigan ?Dinesh84 ?gane14 ?groucho070 ?HonestRaj ?joe ?Kanna ?kid-glove ?NOV ?omega ?Plum ?P_R ?rajeshkrv ?RC ?Saai ?SoftSword ?Srimannarayanan ?tamizharasan ?vidyasakaran ?VinodKumar's ?wizzy ? Nayagan 12 31.58% ?app_engine ?dell_gt ?gounder ?GSV ?Mahen ?Miss Chennai ?Movie Cop ?raajarasigan ?Ramakrishna ?Roshan ?Siv.S ?venkkiram - enga pakkam kanfaarmed youthu = aravind, saai, p-r, kid, vinod, honest, dinesh, softsword. Total: 8. Unga pakkam kanfaarmed youth - only Mahen,Ramakrishba, gsv(?). Ada Siv.S serthukittalum count only 3. Maddy poda pogum vottu serthaa kooda 4. Youth constituency also oursmA
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From: Nerd on 3rd November 2011 11:00 PM [Full View]
Another youth vote to Devar Magan. Though I don't have fond memories of it - padam varradhukku munnaadi school-la ennada peru idhu, saththiyamaa flop dhaan, Pandian silver jubilee dhaan adpeenu udhaar vittuttu asingappattadhu. Pandian FDFS (ubayam brother) in Kalai Arangam paaththa udane brother sollittapla, padam theraadhunnu I liked it actually. Watched Devar magan in 70mm after 10 days with parents and was very very impresssed. My parents were very impressed too.
Appuram sila pala revisitsla Devar magan engayO pOiduchu. Quite possibly the best of TF ever (magaanadhi, udhiripookkaL close). And if you ask me mouna ragam > nayagan.
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From: tamizharasan on 3rd November 2011 11:14 PM [Full View]
I did not have good opinion on both movies before it was released. Pandian mainly because spm. I was not sure about devar magan mainly because I did not know much about Bharathan. Since Kamal was writing dialogues for the movie along with Story and Screenplay, I was suspicious about that too. (don't take it wrong just my honest admission) I had the same problem when Kamal tried to act in comedy in MMKR. Before that Rajini was the only guy did comedy along with heroism. We (rajin fans) used to say ithellam ivanukku thevaiya, Rajiniya paththu comedy veRa panRaan. Kamal surprised me all the time in everything he did. Rest is history. Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: P_R on 3rd November 2011 11:24 PM [Full View]
idhukku dhaan kEkkalai. Originally Posted by Nerd
Originally Posted by Nerd
Actually when Mahanadhi came, your kroop fellows in my school said: "ungaaLu loosuthanamA than kaiyaiyE vettikkittaar..paaNdiyanla engaaLu routeA villain kaiyai vettittaaru".
appO, "satrE sindhikka vENdiya vishayam"-nu ninaichchEn.
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From: wizzy on 3rd November 2011 11:32 PM [Full View]
same blood..when Guna got released along side Thalapathy...looking back most of the Hassar fans should have had a distressing school days Originally Posted by P_R
idhukku dhaan kEkkalai.
Actually when Mahanadhi came, your kroop fellows in my school said: "ungaaLu loosuthanamA than kaiyaiyE vettikkittaar..paaNdiyanla engaaLu routeA villain kaiyai vettittaaru".
appO, "satrE sindhikka vENdiya vishayam"-nu ninaichchEn.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 3rd November 2011 11:42 PM [Full View]
Interesting discussions and funny anecdotes - keep them coming
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From: P_R on 3rd November 2011 11:45 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by wizzy
most of the Hassar fans should have had a distressing school days
Mechanical Manikkam to Sharmili: unnaala naan pala thadavai nilaththukku raththam koduththirukkEn
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From: Nerd on 4th November 2011 12:10 AM [Full View]
Welcome back TA saar. Chumma ellaa thread-aiyum padichittu pOittE irundhaa epdi..
Kurudhippunal - my parents were not so keen on taking me to the film since that week's Kumudam naduppakkam had that muththakkaatchi still One of the first films I sneaked in with my friends without the cognizance of my parents, not necessarily because of that kaatchi
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 12:16 AM [Full View]
I visited only few times hub saar in the past several months. Some family problems saar. But I will never forget our wonderful friends here. Originally Posted by Nerd
Welcome back TA saar. Chumma ellaa thread-aiyum padichittu pOittE irundhaa epdi..
Kurudhippunal - my parents were not so keen on taking me to the film since that week's Kumudam naduppakkam had that muththakkaatchi still One of the first films I sneaked in with my friends without the cognizance of my parents, not necessarily because of that kaatchi
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 12:18 AM [Full View]
I saw Kurudhippunal all alone. Friend rascal ditched me. It was some exam day afternoon. paritchai ezhudhittu appadiyE padathukku pOnEn. joind paNNikkirEnnu sollittu friend varalai.
Of course, naanum 5 minutes wait paNra courtesy ellAm namakku kidaiyAdhu. 'Maharashtravil boogampam' newsreel-lErndhu paakkaNumnu adam pidippEn. (Annie Hall to Alvy Singer: we would've just missed the titles, and they are in Swedish)
Anticlimoks was one lady-teachers gang from my school also came for the selfsame show and sat one row behind me. puratchikaramaana scenes were very
Found the movie very impressive but had no-one to share my feelings with. Veettukku vandhu -ukkAndhu gada gadannu ezhudha aarambichittEn. en suyasaridhaiyil 'first review' adhu dhaan
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 12:28 AM [Full View]
Kurudhippunal great movie no doubt about that. But it is not waterproof meaning there are some sequences in that movie especially final half hour to 45 minutes. First Kamal was shown as very brave and honest but after sometime he yields to family pressure and again he becomes brave and does not care for family after Arjun's death. Some of the inconsistencies are justified but not all of them. I am not saying it won't be possible but not with probability of above 50%. I found it difficult to digest the whole sequence with 100% accuracy. But for my wife Kuruthippunal is most favorite movie of all time in Indian cinema. And for that reason I had to watch to so many times and on the process I did not agree on certain things. Originally Posted by P_R
I saw Kurudhippunal all alone. Friend rascal ditched me. It was some exam day afternoon. paritchai ezhudhittu appadiyE padathukku pOnEn. joind paNNikkirEnnu sollittu friend varalai.
Of course, naanum 5 minutes wait paNra courtesy ellAm namakku kidaiyAdhu. 'Maharashtravil boogampam' newsreel-lErndhu paakkaNumnu adam pidippEn. (Annie Hall to Alvy Singer: we would've just missed the titles, and they are in Swedish)
Anticlimoks was one lady-teachers gang from my school also came for the selfsame show and sat one row behind me. puratchikaramaana scenes were very
Found the movie very impressive but had no-one to share my feelings with. Veettukku vandhu -ukkAndhu gada gadannu ezhudha aarambichittEn. en suyasaridhaiyil 'first review' adhu dhaan
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 12:35 AM [Full View]
Devi theatre underwent surround speaker upgrade for Dolby sound during mid-90s and Speed was the first Dolby-movie to be played in Chennai.. remember those train clips which were played before the movies to show off Dolby effects..IIRC Kuruthipunal was the first tamil movie to be played in true Dolby sound..theatrela oru tennis rally paarthe effectu..
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 12:39 AM [Full View]
What about the sound of Bomb which misses the minister. I saw the movie in the same theatre too. Originally Posted by wizzy
Devi theatre underwent surround speaker upgrade for Dolby sound during mid-90s and Speed was the first Dolby-movie to be played in Chennai.. remember those train clips which were played before the movies to show off Dolby effects..IIRC Kuruthipunal was the first tamil movie to be played in true Dolby sound..theatrela oru tennis rally paarthe effectu..
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From: Sid_316 on 4th November 2011 01:22 AM [Full View]
Nice discussions Devar magan might be better but nayagan is much more entertaining i guess.. tv la eppo potallum paapen.. and nayagan pathu dhan i became a kamal fan.I am vote for nayagan
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From: Sid_316 on 4th November 2011 01:25 AM [Full View]
Remember seeing kuruthipunal in devi with family Originally Posted by wizzy
Devi theatre underwent surround speaker upgrade for Dolby sound during mid-90s and Speed was the first Dolby-movie to be played in Chennai.. remember those train clips which were played before the movies to show off Dolby effects..IIRC Kuruthipunal was the first tamil movie to be played in true Dolby sound..theatrela oru tennis rally paarthe effectu.. but padhaliye thoongiten
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From: Nerd on 4th November 2011 01:44 AM [Full View]
Sorry to hear that bro. Hope all is well.. Originally Posted by tamizharasan
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 01:51 AM [Full View]
Thanks for wishes. Things are okay and we are counting on our India trip this december to help immensely. Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 02:02 AM [Full View]
Enakku therinja pala Kamal fans Naayagan paarthu Kamal fan aanavangathaan. Antha vagaiyilum Nayagan is a great and important if not the most important movie in KH's film career. enna poruthavaraikkum Pre Nayagan and Post Nayagan appadinnu KH'oda career life'a pirikkalaam. He took a completely different post Nayagan. Originally Posted by Sid_316
Nice discussions Devar magan might be better but nayagan is much more entertaining i guess.. tv la eppo potallum paapen.. and nayagan pathu dhan i became a kamal fan.I am vote for nayagan
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 02:06 AM [Full View]
Roshan neenga endha padam paaththu kamal fan aaneenga? Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: equanimus on 4th November 2011 02:06 AM [Full View]
And (இப்படி போயிட்டு ஒடனே வந்துட்டானேன்னு நெனக்க வேண்டாம்!), in terms of their influence on Tamil cinema, நாயகனுக்கும் தேவர் மகனுக்கும் என்னங்க comparison! Hands down the former, no? May be, bearing in mind the recent tendencies to privilege violent hinterlands (ghosts of good old Bharathiraja with a dash of the violence of films like தேவர் மகன்), one could perhaps say தேவர் மகன் might prove to be a significant influence in the coming years, but as things stand now, I doubt if it has had a significant influence over the last couple of decades of Tamil cinema.
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 02:17 AM [Full View]
yes no can doubt the influence of Nayakan. By far the greatest in Tamil Cinema. Even Aamir Khan said he watched only one tamil movie before Ghajini and it was because of time magazine. Whenever they bring Kamal as a great actorthey talk about his performance as velu nayakar. Popularity wise no film can equals Nayakan's. But here the discussion is about which is better movie not which one is more influential. Please talk about Movie on its merits and not on influence. Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: equanimus on 4th November 2011 02:36 AM [Full View]
Sureங்க. Originally Posted by tamizharasan
மொதல்ல influence பத்தியும் பேசிட்டு இருந்தாங்கன்னு நெனக்கிறேன், அதுக்குச் சொன்னேன். Anyway, time to crash.
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 02:42 AM [Full View]
I dont remember exactly. It was something that happened gradually. But I vaguely remember, getting mesmerised by Kamal's performance in 'AvargaL' which I accidently caught up on TV. He was too good.Then I started digging up most of his early days movies starting from Arangetram. A friend of my dad have this habit of collecting reviews from Kumudham and Vikaran from God knows when. Avarkitta pOi pazhaiya Kamal movies review ellaam vaangi oru vari vidaama manapaadam paNRa aLavukku thirumba thirumba padichirukkaen. I remember reading out the Vimarsanam of moondraam piRai to my Dad and Mom and my Dad summaaraga acknowledging - moondram piRai nalla padamthaan or something to that effect. Appadiyae padipadiyaa oru eerppu. Veetula Mom, Dad, Bro ellaam theevira Rajini fans. One man army maathiri irunthu sanda pOttirukkaen avangakooda. I had fought with my bro many times on Kamal vs Rajini and have ended up throwing things at him and finally crying when he doesnt stop bullying Kamal Originally Posted by tamizharasan
But my brother gradually started appreciating Kamal films. And now he is more of a Kamal fan (oru 51:49 between Kamal and Rajini) For him it was Mahanadhi that made the change.
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From: kid-glove on 4th November 2011 02:43 AM [Full View]
Btb, welcome back. Mathadhu irukkattum.
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 02:45 AM [Full View]
"Influence" was justa small part of the discussion but I am sure everyone who had liked Nayagan has voted based on Merits only. Adhavida idhu pidikkum. Thassall. Originally Posted by tamizharasan
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From: tamizharasan on 4th November 2011 03:07 AM [Full View]
No problem. I don't have any problem in people voting for Nayagan based on merits. Nayagan is very very popular all over and only kamal movie which may be equally popular is Pesum padam and that too because it was released in all languages and did not have any language barrier to watch. If you had asked me like 10 years back I would have said Nayakan yes. I remember one incident one of our close bengali couple came to our family. Then we asked if they want to watch any movie and my friend's wife said immediately nayagan as she liked the movie from DD and wanted to watch and also interested in understanding the dialogues from us because we had vcd and it was not subtitled. They watched the movie and appreciated a lot and left. Nayagam is ultra attractive for the first timer because the movie was done well and details were also great. For example the mentally challenged child's face exactly matched with the guy who later on kills velu nayakar. It was milestone in tamil movies for sure. But thevar magan on the contrary impressed me more as a masala movie than substance. I thought this movie was big a hit mainly because of the kambu chandai and all other masala elements in that movie. One way it was true also. But I came to understand Kamal's genius only after few visits. This movie had something for everyone meaning front benchers, medium intellectual and highly intellectual people. Kamal created layers in the writing that could suit everyone's taste depending on their ability to understand at different levels. It is nearly impossible for any mundane movie writers. I was blown away by Kamal's dialogues and of course Sivaji's performance. Kamal's dialogues not only shown the mastery in the language but honesty in every word. Sivaji's acting in that movie changed my whole perception of him. I had tremendous respect for him even before that but after that I started seeing this performance as something which is immortal. For me Thevar magan is an experience which can't be easily imitated or repeated. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 03:28 AM [Full View]
Nice write up there Tamizharasan
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 05:01 AM [Full View]
Equa - varuga varuga varuga! Other things later.Regarding when did you start following kamal: As I have recalled before, me the Kamal fanning - foundation:apoorva sago, full scale: mmkr.
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 05:21 AM [Full View]
Ellorum top 10 of kamal podaraangalennu, naanum pottu paarthadhuladifficult to separate thew actor and creator) - Hey Ram, MMKR, Saagara Sangamam, Swathi Muthyam, Viru, Mahandhi, Thevar Magan, Nayagan, Avargal(among KB stuff), Sigappu RojakkaL. Apoorva excluded because first reaction to it was poRAmai, being in the other camp. I think around the time, other camp had Manidhan? (Or mAppiLLai?). While it was a superhit, it accelerated my exit from that camp.
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 05:24 AM [Full View]
Only one after 2000. Work to do, mr haasan
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 07:47 AM [Full View]
For me , Kuruthipunal is not just in my top 10 fav kamal movies , but also in my all time fav top 10 movies.
I was in vaLasaravakkam .. AVM Rajeswari was colsed for a week exclusively for Kuruthipunal release (to install the new sound system) ..I went first day with my cousin ,who is a Rajini fan ..when the movie ends he said "...thaa ..ithu padam"
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From: NOV on 4th November 2011 08:00 AM [Full View]
Please continue discussions on Uthiri Pookkal and Mahendran here: http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...Uthiri-Pookkal
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From: RC on 4th November 2011 08:07 AM [Full View]
IMO
Nayakan was made for the class and audience outside of TN. MR had set high expectations with the success of MR. Kamals humble beginnings, his transformation from velu to velu nayakkar, outburst on seeing his son made me appreciate the actor he was/is. It was a kaaviyam.
DM - pakkaa local... Thalaivar introducing with thaara thappatta (aadaama irukkaa mudiyumaa), His punk hair style, his transformation from magan to thEvar magan, the mirugam peeking out of him, the mirugam being let out captivated me.. (I'm deliberately leaving Sivaji here). vadivelu, sangili (was this a comeback movie-- mIndum Sangili?) was a revelation.
enna thaan biriyaani pudichchaalum, rasam/thayir saadham saaptta dhrupthi irukkumaa? enna thaan kaaviyamaa irundhaalum local sarakku steals your heart! Hence my vote to DM!
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 08:30 AM [Full View]
// enna thaan biriyaani pudichchaalum, rasam/thayir saadham saaptta dhrupthi irukkumaa? enna thaan kaaviyamaa irundhaalum local sarakku steals your heart! Hence my vote to DM! //
idhu namma aaLu
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From: groucho070 on 4th November 2011 08:36 AM [Full View]
HR, ennathu pagal-la vanthu post pannurengga? One kosteen, which came first, Chinna Kaundar or Thevar Magan. Just to determine which film made all the heroes of that time to ditch pant and shirt to embrace veshti and hit the ricefield.
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 08:41 AM [Full View]
enakku inge 7:40 am.. will log out by 8 am...
even i asked this question... actually it was "cheran pandiyan" first.. then "chinna gounder" then "devar magan" ... in between "ejamaan", i think..
chinna gounder is the first of oore kai eduthu kumbidura oor periyavar.. <in early 90's>
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From: omega on 4th November 2011 08:43 AM [Full View]
Chinna Gounder came first. Should have been 1992 Pongal (alongside Mannan), whereas 1992 Diwali was Thevar Magan (alongwith Pandian)... Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: groucho070 on 4th November 2011 08:44 AM [Full View]
Thanks HR, Omega. So, no single influence I guess.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 08:47 AM [Full View]
//Dig Coimbatore la school la CK time la puratchi kalaignar hair style sariyana rage. Try panni paathirukken, wet hair combed straight back, sonna pechu kekkaadhu
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From: omega on 4th November 2011 08:49 AM [Full View]
Offcourse biggest influence should have come from Gramarajan (j/k)
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From: omega on 4th November 2011 08:50 AM [Full View]
Nalla velakkennaia vachchi try paneeruntheenganna oruvela set aagirukkum... Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
//Dig Coimbatore la school la CK time la puratchi kalaignar hair style sariyana rage. Try panni paathirukken, wet hair combed straight back, sonna pechu kekkaadhu
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From: RC on 4th November 2011 08:52 AM [Full View]
I had DM style thalai vaaral for a long time. adhu oru kaalam...
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From: groucho070 on 4th November 2011 08:52 AM [Full View]
Have you tried Kamal, pre-Nayagan? Simple, comb your wet hair down your temple, blow dry the heck out of it, and comb it back, nice and puffy. Thanks to that, I am balding now Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
//Dig Coimbatore la school la CK time la puratchi kalaignar hair style sariyana rage. Try panni paathirukken, wet hair combed straight back, sonna pechu kekkaadhu (to not to make dad unhappy for contributing his genes, I conveniently blame Kamal).
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From: RC on 4th November 2011 08:55 AM [Full View]
Before signing off...
personally Mahanadhi >> DM > Nayakan for me...
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 09:18 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by tamizharasan
I get what you are saying, irundhaalum this classification is funny
Originally Posted by tamizharasan
This is IMO Kamal's signature and why I regard him as the best in the business.
I am petrol pOdura bunk. Now heading towards aaLavandhaan Nandhu Originally Posted by BK
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 09:46 AM [Full View]
Reg influence of Nayagan... anyone remember a sarathkumar and sivakumar starrer movie? once watched on TV and the movie tried to imitate Nayagan so much ..extremely funy.
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From: sathya_1979 on 4th November 2011 09:49 AM [Full View]
Dasarathan?
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 09:55 AM [Full View]
adheethaan!! Originally Posted by sathya_1979
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 10:09 AM [Full View]
Directed by Raja Krishnamurthy@Kitty, a Mani camp feller. Not sure if he ever assisted Mani but clearly, a follower.
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 10:12 AM [Full View]
Kitty is the associate director of Nayagan Originally Posted by Plum
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 10:15 AM [Full View]
reNdu pErum baalya snEhidhargaL range-u.
Cinema discussion vattArangaL-la subbu-kitty nu prabalau, many years before MR made his debut
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 10:41 AM [Full View]
Mani/Kitty studied at jbims
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From: MADDY on 4th November 2011 11:43 AM [Full View]
this poll verdict is indication of changing times of HUB -MR films-kku mouse kammi ayitte irukku........
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From: Mahen on 4th November 2011 12:11 PM [Full View]
and thats sad... Originally Posted by MADDY
if this hub if filled with youngsters from 15 to early 20s, i think the results would have been different..
wish one day hubbers oda pasanga will revive this thread..then it will be interesting to see who wins
Mani sar padam wine mathiri
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 12:30 PM [Full View]
Not necessarily ..Nayagan got second spot just because most felt that DM is better than nayagan ,without ruling out nayagan's greatness. Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: groucho070 on 4th November 2011 12:31 PM [Full View]
rice wine-a? Thing about his films, for me, is they were technically wonderful at the time of release, but looking back they seriously look dated. The positioning of light that prompted me to crack even back then that we need to bring torchlight to his movies; that angelic glow on actors' head that somehow doesn't seem to work on wigs; the "I am rushing to loo" dialogue; the camera swinging here and there and I can almost here the cameraman's grunt and sigh; the similar facial expressions among all the actors except the really good ones (you know who). All out. Out. Originally Posted by Mahen
Mani sar padam wine mathiri
But films like Devar Magan, where the content, and the performances matters the most, they stand the test of time. And that time is now. Look at the vote. Ellame perusungga illa. Innum unmaiyana seniors ellam ingga varala. One shout at NT thread and votes will multiply further!
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From: groucho070 on 4th November 2011 12:33 PM [Full View]
Even if you count 30 somethings like me, we were smacked by the awesomeness of Nayagan at that impressionable age. But of course, as we stepped into adulthood, Devar Magan showed that that awesomeness can be outawesomed.
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 12:39 PM [Full View]
30 somethings is a good way to put it. Sounds younger
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 12:58 PM [Full View]
I didn't get to watch Nayagan in a silver-screen...my odyssey started with Vichitra Sodarulu which sort of coincided with Hasar's purple patch in writing and that streak went on till 1995 culminating in Kuruthipunal hence my prejudice with DM.. hope Hassar the writer gets a second wind and does what we all carve for..
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 01:36 PM [Full View]
After the spin-off, Uthiri PookkaL thread kAthu vAngudhu. NOV, that is why we smartly were discussing it in a thread named after Kamal movies. Kamal, Rajini pEru vechA dhaan Mahendran threadlAm Odum. You have now killed the UP discussions, unless Jaiganes, who has probably become a zombie somewhere, is revived with a red chip. Dr Denzongpa enga?
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 01:49 PM [Full View]
kiravuso, vehement objections to your derisive dismissal of the stylistics and your attempt to characterize MR as all-style-no-substance.
vandhu pEsarEn..
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 01:50 PM [Full View]
Flau, padam evvaLavu weightO andha aLavukku makkaL adhai paththi pEsuvaanga. JananAyagathula appadi dhaan.
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From: groucho070 on 4th November 2011 01:58 PM [Full View]
Waiting. My point was, they don't age well. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 02:41 PM [Full View]
The positioning of light that prompted me to crack even back then that we need to bring torchlight to his movies; that angelic glow on actors' head that somehow doesn't seem to work on wigs; the "I am rushing to loo" dialogue; the camera swinging here and there and I can almost here the cameraman's grunt and sigh; the similar facial expressions among all the actors except the really good ones (you know who). All out. Out. Originally Posted by Kiravuso
First of all, by avoiding any mention of the non-technical aspects of his storytelling, and reducing him to a technical innovator, is unfair.
These may be examples I have mentioned earlier, but it bears repetition.
In Anjali, the boy comes back after spending new year's eve picked up by the cops. The mother wants the father to pull him up for his indiscipline. The boy has witnessed what he (and we) think is an affair his father is having. But at that age, he has no conception of what exactly an extra-marital affair is. He knows it is a wrong. So MR brings it to the plane which the child-parent relationship is familiar with. He denies the indiscipline and the father asks him not to lie. He plays the bad-cop father there - and even in that the usual cliche is the disciplinarian father and loving, forgiving mother. MR paints that with a greater degree of reality. The mother is the one who is hard and asks the father to discipline him, which takes the man of soft-disposition quite some effort to do.
And then when he does that - the son screams back that it is he is he who is lying. That he saw him with another woman. 'naan paarthEn paa' he repeats again and again and exits the scene.
The dad is in a spot and thus story is crucially pushed forward. Apart from that, the moment captures how the inevitable imbalance and top-down-ness in the parent-child relationship. It is not as if we are conscious of our failings and want to make our children better etc. We are not conscious of such things. We have our reasons but we can't quite think the same way about children - whose world is - in our opinion - simple.
And MR continues. Coldness descends on the family. The kid-sister is angry with her brother bringing the coldness by revealing some unpleasant things - she too has no clue what exactly.
The brother thinks of himself as the wise older one and his kid sister does not understand the complexities
ThaLapathy well-digging sequence. He arrests you as something goes, on. We don't know who these people are. We see the stars Aravindsamy, Jaishankar, Srividhya...who are they? What are they up to? Nothing is told. The divination, the drilling are all going on and then water gushes forth. Joy all around. And old lady comes to Srividhya and says: "thappu paNNittiyE maa. oru puLLaiyOda niruththittiyE....innoNNu pethirundhaa innoru ooru pozhaichirukkumE". We see the expression change, we see the train chiming (now we know who she is). Jaishankar pats her shoulder comfortingly (we know that he knows and we know what kind of a man he is). Then it cuts to the other son. Great cinema.
Camera be blasted- who has written such scenes, characters, moments earlier. And who does them as well today? What is dated about any of this?
Second of all, the technical aspects too aren't dated IMO. But surely strongly divides people. There are either people who never liked it (thou) and those who love it (me)! So even if I elaborate I don't hope to achieve a bridge. So let me refrain and keep the emphasis on the above points.
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From: rsubras on 4th November 2011 02:52 PM [Full View]
i think you must be a old timer here @ forumhub and you would have seen hundreds of pages for the thread titled something like SHOCK - Starring Prashanth Originally Posted by P_R
and you would also have seen what was being discussed inside
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From: KV on 4th November 2011 04:10 PM [Full View]
Dhumkatti ella postayum padichuttEn. P_R, Roshan , Plum, K_G
Vote dhaan innum kuththa mudiyala, manasu alapaanjittE irukku.
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From: MADDY on 4th November 2011 04:59 PM [Full View]
PR, now do u get wat i said - people think Mani is just gloss and nothing else.......
mani's film dont age well-aa, i dont have to say anything? :sigh:
Another criticism on Mani is that he takes ideas and just implements the ideas as it is........let me take his weakest work till date - Raavanan.....Mani paints the entire attack on Raavanan by Ram(or the agent of authoritarian govt.) as a design for land grabbing, which is rampant in today's India.......we are so immersed in the moral debate on ravanan for kidnapping someone else's wife in ramayan, that we dont see what happens to lanka and its land or any other angle......Mani saw it - and he does not invoke the convenient aryan v dravidian arguement.....
Mani drives home the point that Rama avatar in kalyuga is irrelevant........Ram, the flawless man/God as he is described in the epics, is by design a 2D character who blindly follows the law and rule.......Ram does not possess the ability to asses situations objectively, he never questioned his father's stupid decision to send him to woods and follows his order blindly.......Ram is completely abhorrent in this age of Kalyug, where the laws are mere interpretation and neednt always be the definitive justice.....i have seen lot of interpretations of Lord Krishna and other epic characters - but to give a different shade to the flawless, 2D Ram is something i have never seen.......and again, Mano doesent fall into the usual trap of bashing ram for doubting sita.....
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From: Cinemarasigan on 4th November 2011 05:06 PM [Full View]
Helo KV, Nayagan padatthula nadichappo avaru verum "Nayagan". DM -kku appuram avaru Ulaga Nayagan... DM-ke seekkiram kutthunga.. Originally Posted by KV
Dhumkatti ella postayum padichuttEn. P_R, Roshan , Plum, K_G
Vote dhaan innum kuththa mudiyala, manasu alapaanjittE irukku.
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 05:07 PM [Full View]
That's just, like, groucho's opinion. I know from photos that he is a little on the healthier side adhukkAga avara "people"-nu plural-la sollalAmA?Just a page back, ennOda Kamal top 10-la Nayagan pOttEnE. I don't agree with kirauso's aging calculation. Actually, I was grilling mainly on the "trendsetting" and "reference" part, which I still am not convinced by. Idhai edhukku all people dismiss Mani-nu interpret paNdrInga? Apart from kirauso, who dismissed Mani entirely? One thing you can say is a lot of people don't agree on Mani with you on your terms. But then that is true of everyone and everything, no?
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 05:22 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Have you tried Kamal, pre-Nayagan? Simple, comb your wet hair down your temple, blow dry the heck out of it, and comb it back, nice and puffy. Thanks to that, I am balding now (to not to make dad unhappy for contributing his genes, I conveniently blame Kamal).
BTW, has Kamal done any roles without Moustache pre-Nayagan?
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From: MADDY on 4th November 2011 05:58 PM [Full View]
Anban sir Anban - he has personally attacked Maniratnam - im not claiming to be victim and i had my fun during nondhalala and sutham sei but that was very vocal opposition to mani..... Originally Posted by Plum
irir123, Joe, Roshan, Thirumaran, vivs - dont like most of his works.....
compli, u, host of IR fans, feeyar, bala - dont like most of his works post 92......
now they would come and say, i just said this and that - but overall i have hardly seen them telling good things abt mani.....again, im not averse to such criticism - bash mani at will......i mean there were guys who said billa director vishnuvardhan is better than maniratnam..........im just pointing it out.......
edho indha oru discussiona vechhu naa mani fans, bashers naa onnum mudivu pannala - its over a period of time that i saw this.........
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From: app_engine on 4th November 2011 05:58 PM [Full View]
I have not seen rAvaNan...but R S Manohar had done his 'ilangEswaran' (play) decades earlier which does the above Originally Posted by MADDY
(Ofcourse that was a stage play and not cinema and not the only one to do similar 'glorify-villain' stuff, there was another play called 'thuriyOthanan' that ridiculed everyone else but him and even pAnchaLi is told by him " un koondhalai thirumbi aLLi mudikka vENdum enRu thAn nAn ennaikkolla anumathithEn")
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From: KV on 4th November 2011 06:03 PM [Full View]
"BaluthEvar, baluthEvar'nu sollrElE, Balu'ngardhu unga pEru, thEvar'ngardhu neenga padichchu vaangina pattama?" Freeze frame. Lightning streak. Thunderclaps. Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
DM pakkamaa dhaan tilt aagudhu, for NT and KH. Apparam, Nayaganla andha kamal-daughter-janakaraj scene manasukulla play aagudhu. Janakaraj-a aranjapparam, naayakar kovaththla pongarappo, ponnu paadhukaapukkaga, Odi pOi janakaraj pinnala maranju ninnukum, bhayathula avara anachukittu.
Tharaasu appidiyE ingittu saanjurudhu. Naan indha thErudhala purakkanikkarEn.
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 06:08 PM [Full View]
^DM had 9 songs against 5 in Nayagan..kannemudikunu vote podogo saar
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From: app_engine on 4th November 2011 06:21 PM [Full View]
Actually that was one of the reasons for me to pick nAyakan Originally Posted by wizzy
^DM had 9 songs against 5 in Nayagan..kannemudikunu vote podogo saar
songs of DM <<<< nAyakan songs
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 06:30 PM [Full View]
Accusation mathematically rejeetted Originally Posted by MADDY
Roja,Thiruda Thiruda, Iruvar, Dil Se, Kannathil MuthamittAl, Ayidha ezhuthu(grew on me 'mbAingalE) - selected
AlaipAyudhE - meh
Bambaai, Guru - unselected
Raavan - enna kodumai idhu
His last movie is the first time he has made an outright stinker.
Till that, he has always been consistent, kept the films interesting etc.
Hey I already told you all this man, 3-4 yrs back there was an BR-MR discussion, where I stated my preference for MR for these reasons.
Of course I like pre-92 film more (Naikkan, Agni, Anjali, Moun Raag) but that's just an internal comparison of his works. ennamO 'lost his mojo'nnu naan sonna maadhiri present paNRadhu thappu.
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 06:31 PM [Full View]
Ananda Jothi. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: raghavendran on 4th November 2011 06:32 PM [Full View]
DM,Nayagan vida enakku MMKRdhan pudikkum..just now finished seeing it for the nth time on jaya tv...enna padamya.....
Nasser to raju:gunna kaatti.."idhu ennanu theriyudha?"
Raju:"kathi..bejara irukudhulla.."...
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From: rsubras on 4th November 2011 06:33 PM [Full View]
Take the BGMs out of Nayagan and DM...now which movie has more soul, life and character......... I think it should be DM and hence it should be more closer to a real life narration
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From: RC on 4th November 2011 06:45 PM [Full View]
Yes... kaLaththur kaNNamma, paarththaal pasi thIrum, aanandha jOthi etc... Originally Posted by Roshan
BTW, has Kamal done any roles without Moustache pre-Nayagan?
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From: P_R on 4th November 2011 06:50 PM [Full View]
Actually I don't get this trendsetting.
But then I sit back and think who I would call trendsetting?
CV Sridhar for non-stagey dialogue 'mbAinga. sari ok.
aanaa, adhu receive wisdom. ennOda sondha brain-la who would I consider influential, in the sense that, their 'style' (itself vaguely defined) of filmmaking was adopted by many?
Look, feel, events, 'impact'..I will say Sankarji.
So, andha levelukku mEla I don't think I will understand this trendsetting, influential business anyway.
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From: app_engine on 4th November 2011 06:53 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
BTW, did he have meesai in arangERRam? muscle ellAm kAttuvAru, meesai irukkAdhunnu thAn nenakkiREn...
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From: MADDY on 4th November 2011 07:13 PM [Full View]
i dunno what Manohar sir did in the play but if he had skipped the below, then kudos to him: Originally Posted by app_engine
I have not seen rAvaNan...but R S Manohar had done his 'ilangEswaran' (play) decades earlier which does the above
Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: Nerd on 4th November 2011 07:15 PM [Full View]
Actually naayagan had maha mokkai songs (IR-Mani rangekku). Quite possibly the worst of IR-Mani. DM >>>>>>> Nayagan w.r.to songs.
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From: steveaustin on 4th November 2011 07:26 PM [Full View]
'Pushpak' with Amala in Kannada and later dubbed in Tamil as Pesum padam. I think the movie was released just before Nayagan in Kannada. Originally Posted by Roshan
BTW, has Kamal done any roles without Moustache pre-Nayagan?
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From: rsubras on 4th November 2011 07:26 PM [Full View]
enna boss ippadi solliputteenga Originally Posted by Nerd
drop Inji iduppazhaga from Devar Magan songs list and you only have songs that are more enjoyed while getting submerged with the film....... but nayagan songs ellame neenga kanna moodikittu illa visual ah illa songs mattume thaniya kettalum you could still enjoy it with full vigor....... nayagan la enakku therinju ore oru movie oriented song than...naan sirithaal deepavali.....
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 07:32 PM [Full View]
imo Masaru Ponnae will trump any track in Nayagan
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From: NOV on 4th November 2011 07:37 PM [Full View]
+7 Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: littlemaster1982 on 4th November 2011 07:49 PM [Full View]
Shankar set the trend in following things. Originally Posted by P_R
# Title graphics and whishk, whishk sounds (Started from Indian).
# Filming songs abroad (again, from Indian).
# A fast paced song before Climax (from Mudhalvan).
Innum konjam irukku, aana ippa edhuvum gnabagam varala.
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From: AravindMano on 4th November 2011 07:49 PM [Full View]
maNamagaLE maNamagaLE will also easily trump Nayagan songs no? (Avangavanga kavalai avangaLukku).
Naayagan ofcourse had the most beautiful 'nee oru kadhal sangeetham', but of course Raja makes it easier to decide by making Mano sing it.
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 07:51 PM [Full View]
# Thalapakatti hero in a song (courtesy hubber Ajay) Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
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From: rsubras on 4th November 2011 07:52 PM [Full View]
a item song with a top heroine and dance master (Gentleman) Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Costume designer from abroad
Fast, beat oriented songs from Rahman (Gentleman)
English title with a catchy one liner (not sure if Gentleman started this, but atleast i noted this from Gentleman only)
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From: raajarasigan on 4th November 2011 07:54 PM [Full View]
Master, ithu romba naalave irukke.. Captain Prabakaran - Aattama.. vera ethum sattunnu nyabagathukku varala.. Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
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From: rsubras on 4th November 2011 07:58 PM [Full View]
Aatama song was somewhere in the first half..what LM said was the practice of placing a fast paced song just before Climax......... film mudiyara nerathula makkal ah energise panra maathiri (VM originally had a slow paced song in place of uppu karuvaadu but Shankar rejected it saying Audience will either sleep or go out for smoke and miss the climax feel)
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 08:04 PM [Full View]
Telugu padathulalaam every 15 minutes fast paced song kattAyam. Anyway, shankar padaththai paarthu vERa endha padaththula apdi vechaangannum sollunga. Appo dhaan trend set paNNadhukku froof-A irukkum.
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From: NOV on 4th November 2011 08:05 PM [Full View]
shankar is the one who started music video style of choreographing songs (with chikku bukku rayile) which has pervaded All-India cinema till even now....
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 08:06 PM [Full View]
Adhu poga git, maddy ellaam story-telling, shot framing level-la trend setting paththi sonnaangannu nenaikkaren. Indha maadhiri pona Devar set the trend of making animals act, Rama narayanan set the trend of amman movies-nu pogum...
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 09:09 PM [Full View]
I wouldn't call it mokkai. Originally Posted by Nerd
Naan sirithaal Dheebavali and Andhi Mazhai Megam are by any standard, let alone IR's
"Nee Oru Kaadhal", "Then Paandi Cheemayile", "Nela adhu vaanathu" - Top class
Thevar Magan: No duds IMO. "Saandhu Pottu is fun, Pazhaya Paramasivame is dwarfed only because of the other awesome songs.
As an album, TM is definitely >
[It's a tough fight between TM and Roja, as was adequately discussed earlier. Appappo onnu better-a theriyum. TM depth bayangaram na Roja kudutha impact.... ]
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From: littlemaster1982 on 4th November 2011 09:15 PM [Full View]
Ditto. "Nila Adhu" is my most favorite IR's song. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Naan sirithaal Dheebavali and Andhi Mazhai Megam are by any standard, let alone IR's
"Nee Oru Kaadhal", "Then Paandi Cheemayile", "Nela adhu vaanathu" - Top class
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 4th November 2011 09:22 PM [Full View]
I had asked many times in hub, innum tea varala! tea kadaila okkaantha naan elumbu koodaa aagitten. antha tea :-
Is chikku bukku (& aboorva sago) the 1st indian films to have computer graphics?!? Or is there any gindhi films which used grafics, before?!?
Also, who is the 1st to show computers on movies? Kamal's vikram is one of the earllest i know, but is it 1st, on national level?
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From: omega on 4th November 2011 09:23 PM [Full View]
Andhi Mazhai Megam is quite a good number. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
I wouldn't call it mokkai.
Naan sirithaal Dheebavali and Andhi Mazhai Megam are by any standard, let alone IR's
"Nee Oru Kaadhal", "Then Paandi Cheemayile", "Nela adhu vaanathu" - Top class
Thevar Magan: No duds IMO. "Saandhu Pottu is fun, Pazhaya Paramasivame is dwarfed only because of the other awesome songs.
As an album, TM is definitely >
[It's a tough fight between TM and Roja, as was adequately discussed earlier. Appappo onnu better-a theriyum. TM depth bayangaram na Roja kudutha impact.... ]
Ungalukku PS pudikkaathungrathaalaye atha othukkitteenga pola....
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 4th November 2011 09:23 PM [Full View]
What about BGM, i guess both nayagan and DM had above average BGMs.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 09:30 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Above-average-a!!!!!!
Outstanding BGM as usual
TM: Intro of Paanu to Periya Thevar, PT death scene. Thalaivar giving vaakku to Kallapat, Thala-Anni final cut (the best)
Nayagan: Kamal-Saranya theme onnu podhum. It's Nayagan for me
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 09:33 PM [Full View]
ஓண்னு மட்டும் நிச்சயம் ..இந்த ரெண்டு படத்தோட கதை இலாகாக்கள் கூட இந்த அளவுக்கு டிஸ்கஸ் பண்ணியிருக்க மாட்டாங்க
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 09:35 PM [Full View]
No Way. It is just post 2000, I find Mani's work are pretty normal. Raavanan is the one which i hate the most. I was a big fan of Mani before 2000. Uyire padam ellaam first week end layae paarthirukaen for just Mani. Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 09:37 PM [Full View]
Indha paatula rendu voice-um bayangara alarji. Nail in blackboard effect (The only TLM song i like is "Nee kattum sela madippula") Originally Posted by omega
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From: Nerd on 4th November 2011 09:42 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
You mean of all his 6000 songs? Or among the ones he he has sung? Please don't say it's the former..
BGM ellaam spectacular for both.. That choral piece when periyaththevar dies
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 09:44 PM [Full View]
Contestant Srinivas did a superb job of choosing/singing this ("Vaanam thottu pona") in one of the earlier rounds in the ASS. Choral parts a thaniya semmaya paadnaapla Originally Posted by Nerd
That choral piece when periyaththevar dies
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From: littlemaster1982 on 4th November 2011 09:44 PM [Full View]
Idhu aniyaayam. How could you get the impression I would have meant the former Originally Posted by Nerd
You mean of all his 6000 songs? Or among the ones he he has sung? Please don't say it's the former.. It's my favorite song sung by IR 
For the record, my most favorite song (all MDs included) is "Senthaazham Poovil". Sildhood memories
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 09:46 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 09:46 PM [Full View]
why can't we (actually you people) discuss "Devar Magan vs virumandi"... both scripted by Kamal & both set in a village background
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 09:48 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Puriya oru moonu-naalu sehand aachu :teeplight:
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 09:48 PM [Full View]
copyright is with Arjun... he used to have this for films that he directed.. "think before ink" kind of tags Originally Posted by rsubras
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 09:49 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 09:50 PM [Full View]
TM
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 4th November 2011 09:50 PM [Full View]
that is a result known thing. DM 1st Vm 2nd! Originally Posted by HonestRaj
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 09:51 PM [Full View]
Nee kattum sela shagul hamid illaiyaa bala?
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 09:52 PM [Full View]
I wish that was true and been discussed in Kisu Kisu thread rather than here Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Puriya oru moonu-naalu sehand aachu :teeplight:
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 09:52 PM [Full View]
How about two Rajini films? Or, old Rajini vs new Rajini (as in BW vs Rajini, as we know today) - Equa has an interesting perspective on this
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From: NOV on 4th November 2011 09:54 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
For the record, my most favorite song (all MDs included) is "Senthaazham Poovil". Sildhood memories kannadhasan
அழகு மிகுந்த ராஜகுமாரி மேகமாகப் போகிறாள்
ஜரிகை நெளியும் சேலை கொண்டு மலையை மூடப் பார்க்கிறாள்
பள்ளம் சிலர் உள்ளம் என ஏன் படைத்தான் ஆண்டவன்
பட்டம் தரத் தேடுகின்றேன் எங்கே அந்த நாயகன்?
மலையின் காட்சி இறைவன் ஆட்சி
umakku naan pattam tharanum ayyaa.....
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From: sathya_1979 on 4th November 2011 09:55 PM [Full View]
nice points, as Joe mentioned Kamal sir kooda ivLo yOsichirukka maattaar. neenga ellaam sErndhu avarukku inputs kuduththaa nallaa irukkum ( I had mentioned already). waiting for Viswaroopam (Dasavatharam, Viswaroopam, nesst??? Krishna Leelai or Bhagavadham )idhayellaam padikkumbOdhudhaam "oh, idhula ivLo matter, ivLo thought process irukkaa"nu yOsikka vekkudhu. koot job
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 09:56 PM [Full View]
above average-a boss enna soldreeng!! Nayagan BGM is just OUTSTANDING!!! Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Nayagan wins when it comes to theme...
Famous theme when nayakar meets his daughter at her home is used to velu's sister in the beginning itself here...slightly different!! [From 12:20]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S39UMV0_KO0&feature=related
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 09:56 PM [Full View]
+ Ilayaraja Originally Posted by NOV
kannadhasan
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 09:58 PM [Full View]
Bgm: nayagan. Refer naicker discovering nasser is karthika's husband
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 10:02 PM [Full View]
Looking for the Kamal-Saranya theme BGM youtube with video. Swamigal, Mani, Thalaivan :vaaippillaamai: Yaravadhu setha andha scene pathi ezhudhina nalla irukkum :dum-pazhakkum-only-mine:
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 10:03 PM [Full View]
As for BGM Nayagan >> DM
Songs DM >> Nayagan.
As Thamizharasan mentioned DM has something for all set of people and overall can impress all. Nayagan anga konjam irangiduthu. 9/10 for DM and 8.5/10 for Nayagan.
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From: app_engine on 4th November 2011 10:03 PM [Full View]
DM songs : the only song that I've heard "more than viral-vittu-eNNum-muRai" is inji iduppazhagi.
All others not my cup of chAyA.
(Plum may dismiss telling that 'nadheem-shravan-kumar-sAnu pAttu rasikkiRa payalukkellAm adhula irukkuRa azhagu theriyAthu')
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 10:07 PM [Full View]
surprised!! Originally Posted by app_engine
DM songs : the only song that I've heard "more than viral-vittu-eNNum-muRai" is inji iduppazhagi.
All others not my cup of chAyA.
(Plum may dismiss telling that 'nadheem-shravan-kumar-sAnu pAttu rasikkiRa payalukkellAm adhula irukkuRa azhagu theriyAthu)
maasaru ponne varuga is just out of the world....andha prelude-e podhum....
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From: Nerd on 4th November 2011 10:10 PM [Full View]
I am very sorry LM
Btw I dint mean Nayagan songs are maha-mokkai in absolute terms. If you have heavyweights in your resume like thalapathi/anjali/agni/mounar and even pagal nilavu / idhayakovil, nayagan qualifies to be maha mokkai. Even on absolute terms, I guess they dont fare well..
Rajini filmskku ellaam thread pottaa kootaam seraadhu
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 10:12 PM [Full View]
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 10:13 PM [Full View]
1980s varaikkin app judgement nallA irundhichu. 1991kappuRam, kumar sanu, nadeem shravannu pOyittadhAla, avarai lightA suspects listla dhaan vekkaRAdhu. Which year you got married, app?
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 10:13 PM [Full View]
Idhu ungalukke too much-a therla? Aaraminga, mathadha anga pesikkalaam Originally Posted by Nerd
Rajini filmskku ellaam thread pottaa kootaam seraadhu
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From: Plum on 4th November 2011 10:17 PM [Full View]
Mullum malarum vs Thalapathy
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 10:19 PM [Full View]
Maniratnam mela ungalukku yEn ivlo kObam? Originally Posted by Plum
Mullum malarum vs Thalapathy
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 10:19 PM [Full View]
அலோ சார் ..நீங்க இந்த படத்தையே “எனக்கு அவ்வளவா தெரியாது ..பெருசா கேள்விப்படல்ல ..யாரோ நல்லாயிருக்கும்ன்னு சொன்னாங்க-ன்னு வீடியோ பார்த்தேன்” -ரேஞ்சுக்கு சொன்னீங்க ..இதுல பாட்டு வேறயா? Originally Posted by app_engine
DM songs : the only song that I've heard "more than viral-vittu-eNNum-muRai" is inji iduppazhagi.
All others not my cup of chAyA.
(Plum may dismiss telling that 'nadheem-shravan-kumar-sAnu pAttu rasikkiRa payalukkellAm adhula irukkuRa azhagu theriyAthu)
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 10:21 PM [Full View]
for mass fans.. Annamalai vs Basha
Jhonny vs _______ <inge enna padam suit aagum? >
thillu mullu vs guru sishyan?
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From: rifath on 4th November 2011 10:22 PM [Full View]
i love nayagan for kamal.i love devar magan for kamal-sivaji combo.ulaganayganum nadigar thilagamum varra ovvoru sceneum therikkum
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 10:22 PM [Full View]
Annamalai by a MILE Originally Posted by HonestRaj
for mass fans.. Annamalai vs Basha
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From: Nerd on 4th November 2011 10:23 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
Mullum malarum vs Thalapathy If thalapathy loses there as well, we can conclude that Mani has certainly lost his place in the hub hearts..
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 10:24 PM [Full View]
+1 ... Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: rifath on 4th November 2011 10:26 PM [Full View]
@honest na
annamalai vs basha-my choice baasha
thillu mullu vs guru sishyan-thillu mullu
johnny vs mullum malarum or engeyo ketta kural.
btw johnny mass padam illaiye
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From: wizzy on 4th November 2011 10:27 PM [Full View]
Rajini's 80s comedies oru thread start panungo..Netrikann
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 4th November 2011 10:27 PM [Full View]
No contest. Mani saar all the way (Bakiaraach, BR a namma makkal remba remba thookki vechirukkaanga) Originally Posted by P_R
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 10:33 PM [Full View]
Bakiaraach - avar padam ellam full time entertainment... rasichu parkkalam.. innaikkum andha comedy ellam out dated kidayadhu..
but i can feel few of Barathiraja's films become out dated & his zoom in zoom out camera ellam ippa partha sirupputhan varudhu..
rifath..
1. mass
2. stylish romantic film
3. comedy
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From: kid-glove on 4th November 2011 10:56 PM [Full View]
BR ellam asinga pattachchu. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Bhagiyaraj-a serious-a avangalE eduthukka mattanga. Token pOtitu poiduvanga..
Actually would love to see a MM vs Thalapathy thread next. Konjam neraiyavE pesanum.*
*Mahendran gets a lot of unchecked praise. So konjam provocative-a pesalam. Hub would be back from the dead.
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 10:57 PM [Full View]
Annamalai hands down ! I started liking Rajini movies only after Annamalai. Originally Posted by HonestRaj
for mass fans.. Annamalai vs Basha
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 11:03 PM [Full View]
My vote is already reserved for Thalapathy (Maddy, paarunga neenga nenekkiRa maathiri MR maela appadi entha kObamum kidaiyaathu). Originally Posted by kid-glove
BTW @whizzy's comment ' Thalapakatti Hero' regarding Shankar's influence/trend setting. There's a restaurant in T Nagar, named Thalapakatti. Saappadu konjam nallaa irukkum anga. I have been there a couple of times. Inimae antha restaurant'a paatha inthe commentthaan gnaapagam varum.
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 11:12 PM [Full View]
Thalappakattu Briyani is popular ..Inge singapore-la kooda irukku. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: Saai on 4th November 2011 11:18 PM [Full View]
Thambikku endha ooru vs Guru shishyan for unassumed fun - Thambikku endha ooru
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 11:21 PM [Full View]
My top Rajini movies are Thillu mullu , Mullum Malarum , Thalapathi , Annamalai
My top Mani movies are Nayagan , Kannathil muthamittal , Thalapathi ,Agni Nadchathiram
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 11:26 PM [Full View]
padikkathavan + Jhonny Originally Posted by joe
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 11:33 PM [Full View]
Ithukellaam poll ae vaenaam.. Originally Posted by HonestRaj
for mass fans.. Annamalai vs Basha
Jhonny vs _______ <inge enna padam suit aagum? >
thillu mullu vs guru sishyan?
Annaamalai will win.. thillu mullu will win..
Jhonny vs mullum malarum vaikalaam
between Mullum Malarum vs Thalapathy.. my choice is thalapathy..
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 11:37 PM [Full View]
// Annaamalai will win.. thillu mullu will win.. //
:nothatway:
Rajini fans will like Basha whereas non Rajini fans will like Annamalai.. thats the difference...
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Mullum Malarum vs Thalapathy......... Mullum Malarum .. all the way..
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 11:39 PM [Full View]
I think it's the same as Dham Biriyani in Sri Lanka. Originally Posted by joe
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From: littlemaster1982 on 4th November 2011 11:39 PM [Full View]
Ada, I said that in jest Originally Posted by Nerd
I am very sorry LM
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 11:40 PM [Full View]
athukkuthaan naanum sonnaen.. inga non Rajini fans thaan athikam.. so Annamalai will win Originally Posted by HonestRaj
yes.. here MM will win.. I was telling my choice.. Originally Posted by HonestRaj
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From: Thirumaran on 4th November 2011 11:41 PM [Full View]
chennai la kooda pala edaththula dham biriyaani nnu irukku.. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: HonestRaj on 4th November 2011 11:46 PM [Full View]
links for mullum malarum..
sentiment padam'na ippadi irukkanum.. nammayum ariyama kan kalanganum..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PL7ImYghVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vp8WTSbyQU
edhirpartha neraya scene illai
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From: Roshan on 4th November 2011 11:49 PM [Full View]
Then thalapakatti is different I think. Originally Posted by Thirumaran
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From: Sid_316 on 4th November 2011 11:51 PM [Full View]
Annamalai and mullum malarum for sure
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 11:51 PM [Full View]
Regarding new discussion on Rajini ... Rajini is mostly seen as a entertainer ,not a great actor ..But Many times i felt that Rajini is great actor only behind NT and Kamal .. Few may disagree ..Ithai vachum discuss pannalam.
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From: joe on 4th November 2011 11:55 PM [Full View]
Briyani rice thaniya , chicken thaniya cook panni kalanthu kuduththa ordinary briyani .
Briyani rice-chicken rendum serthu mix panni cook pannina athu dham biriyani .
As far as i know ..Thalapakattu briyani is one type of DHAM briyani from Dindigul .
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From: Sid_316 on 5th November 2011 12:01 AM [Full View]
Exactly..80's times la i guess he was acting in very good films.. any particular film that changed him from the acting mode completely into the mass masala "entertaining" mode? Originally Posted by joe
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From: kid-glove on 5th November 2011 12:05 AM [Full View]
Hey, I thought Rajini was always a star, not quite an actor. KH was an actor, but not quite a star. Only Bechchan is a star-actor of Indian cinema.
Jokes apart, of course Joe!
Rajini is joint third behind NT & KH. With Nagesh. To me, at least..
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From: joe on 5th November 2011 12:08 AM [Full View]
கூட்டுறா பஞ்சாயத்த.
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From: P_R on 5th November 2011 12:11 AM [Full View]
meesicalA sir neenga? TLM it is. Originally Posted by Plum
Originally Posted by B(K)
marandhuruvEnniyaLE
Just listened to Nayagan Saranya BGM. What a beauty.I didn't remember it at all
I recall the Naiker-Karthika meeting again scene. Multiple emotions, transitions, all tickets outsold.
Roshan/Joe, court case ellAm nadakkudhu. Look at me: Thalapakattu v Thalapakatti
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From: Thirumaran on 5th November 2011 12:13 AM [Full View]
May be Manithan. Originally Posted by Sid_316
Regarding Biriyanis
Preparation of Chicken dum biryani recipe
Clean and wash the chicken pieces and keep aside. Heat 4 cups of water in a vessel and bring to a boil. Make deep slits at 1" gaps on the tomatoes and blanch them in boiling water. Drain tomatoes and peel the skin. Cut two large onions into big pieces. Grind the ginger, garlic, onion and tomatoes to a smooth paste. Heat a kadahi and dry roast dry chillies, coriander seeds, jeera, shahi jeera, kasuri methi, star anus, cinnamon, green and black cardamoms, kalonji, and before removing from gas just add the turmeric powder and mix well. Grind the roasted ingredients in a mixer to a smooth powder. Add this masala powder to the ground onion-tomato ginger garlic mixture along with one cup of curd/yoghurt and mix well. Add this masala mixture to the chicken pieces,salt to taste, mix well and set aside to marinate for atleast 3-4 hours. Meawhile heat 6 cups of water in a vessel, add a teaspoon of salt and bring to a boil. Wash the basmati rice and add it to the boiling water and cook till the rice is 3/4th to almost cooked. ( Approximately takes 5 to 7 mins ). Drain in a collander and keep aside. Cut one large onion into thin long slices. Heat ghee in a kadahi and seperately fry Kaju, almonds and raisins. Remove and drain. In the left over ghee fry the thinly sliced onions till they are crisp and brown. Remove and drain. Now add the marinated chicken pieces along with the marinade and saute for 10 minutes till chicken is cooked and tender and the ghee seperates from the gravy. Now take a heavy bottomed vessel and coat it with ghee. Add a layer of rice, top it with a layer of chicken gravy and repeat till all the rice and chicken gravy is layered. Now knead the wheat flour to make a nice dough. Take a right fitting lid for the vessel, cover and seal the lid to the vessel with the wheat dough. Take a heavy bottomed tava, heat it and put the gas on simmer. Now keep the vessel on the tava and cook for approximately 20-25 minutes. Remove and garnish with fried onions, almonds, kaju raisins and finely chopped fresh coriander.
http://www.thalappakatti.com/
http://tastyappetite.blogspot.com/20...u-biryani.html
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From: P_R on 5th November 2011 12:16 AM [Full View]
TL Maharajan, koyat an interesting voice I say
munnEru dhaan pootti - indhira
kaadhal yOgi - indhi versionai vidai idhu dhaan enakku pudikkum
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From: P_R on 5th November 2011 12:17 AM [Full View]
idhu English-la absorb aayiruchA ?kaju raisins
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From: wizzy on 5th November 2011 12:18 AM [Full View]
DM vs Nayagan arambichi eppo Thalappakatti vs Thalappakattu..shall we have a poal
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From: app_engine on 5th November 2011 12:19 AM [Full View]
where is this from ?Now knead the wheat flour to make a nice dough.
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From: joe on 5th November 2011 12:20 AM [Full View]
Neenga Nagesh-a kondu vantha appuram naan MR radha-vai kondu varuven Originally Posted by kid-glove
I am great fan of both MRR and Nagesh.
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From: P_R on 5th November 2011 12:23 AM [Full View]
Neenga Nagesh, MR Radha-vai koNdu vandhA naan yaarai koNdu varuvEnnu ungaLukkE theriyin
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From: Thirumaran on 5th November 2011 12:24 AM [Full View]
Looking at the way of preparation and taste.. Originally Posted by wizzy
DM vs Nayagan arambichi eppo Thalappakatti vs Thalappakattu..shall we have a poal
Nayagan == dum biriyani
Dm == Thalapakattu Biriyaani
app,
http://www.spiderkerala.com/kerala/r...x?RecipeId=368
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From: joe on 5th November 2011 12:27 AM [Full View]
aaha .Kounder varuvaaru ..kadaisila Thangavelu Vs Cho -la poi nikkum Originally Posted by P_R
Neenga Nagesh, MR Radha-vai koNdu vandhA naan yaarai koNdu varuvEnnu ungaLukkE theriyin
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From: kid-glove on 5th November 2011 12:27 AM [Full View]
I can't lie and say I rate him that highly. But sometime back, I gave some of his videos in yeeteeb another look. Have to say there's some foundation to him rated as one of the greatest by likes of Lal. Very much different from the rest and ahead of the time too.
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From: Nerd on 5th November 2011 12:31 AM [Full View]
Hallo! I have been saying Annamalai > Batsha right from 2004 and I am (was) a card-holding member for Rajini fans club Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Mullum Vs Thalapathi will be closer than DM Vs Nayagan I thing. My vote for mullum.
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From: Plum on 5th November 2011 01:05 AM [Full View]
Before deciding on the contest, think of how to decide. My point: any inspired writing in hub usually comes from two triggers a) strong attachment to artist A associated with movie A by one section of hubbers; similarly artistB-movieB b) strong conviction from each side that someone in opp side has an agenda against their artist, and a whole set of layers of agenda suspicion are built in. Considering this, would Annamalai vs Baasha cut it? I mean, are Khushboo fans going to intensely accuse Nagma fans of understating the size of...er...the talent of their respective idols? Or, Thillu Mullu vs Guru Sishyan, did I hear? Would KB fans accuse SPM fans...er...uh, never mind, you get the point? It's got to be MM vs T, I say.
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From: kid-glove on 5th November 2011 01:12 AM [Full View]
Mahendran vs Mani
Rajini vs Rajini
Sarath babu vs Mammooka
Shoba vs Shobana
Fatafat vs Banu Priya
BM vs SS
IR vs IR
Let's go...
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From: app_engine on 5th November 2011 01:37 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: omega on 5th November 2011 01:40 AM [Full View]
Aravindara ipdi ambonnu vittutteengale...... Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 5th November 2011 01:47 AM [Full View]
Main thread'la pesuvOm. Enna solringa?
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From: app_engine on 5th November 2011 02:14 AM [Full View]
I don't think the main thread of any R S Manohar play had local political indulgences. Definitely no A-D references in any of his plays that I could remember! Originally Posted by MADDY
For comedy, there used to be a parallel thread (with two terrific comedians) and they had some CHO-like dialogues, IIRC. However, they were more topical than philosopical...
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From: app_engine on 5th November 2011 02:25 AM [Full View]
R S M plays were more of intellectual twisting (of epics) like what M T Vasudevan Nair did in Malayalam movies. (e.g. oru vadakkan veeragAtha, vaishAli)
Ofcourse, there were some gimmicks (like showing arrows / rain etc on stage with some teknikkal stuff) but there was intelligent substance, satire as well.
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From: SoftSword on 5th November 2011 03:13 AM [Full View]
over assumption odambukku aagaadhu.. Originally Posted by HonestRaj
being a MCRF, i would choose annamalai over bhasha for mass anyday...
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From: groucho070 on 5th November 2011 08:41 AM [Full View]
Itha palakAlamA sollikittu varrEn. Avare enamo "feedu" irukkura varaikin nadipArAmE. Sure, let him play the DC superhero "Flash" Originally Posted by joe
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From: littlemaster1982 on 5th November 2011 09:09 AM [Full View]
Idhey karutthai innoru hubber-um enkitta solli irukkaru Originally Posted by joe
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From: Plum on 5th November 2011 11:28 AM [Full View]
Actually, third bestngara angle-la yOsichadhE illai. Thinking about it, yeah, who else is there? One has to resort to character artistes - MRR, Nagesh, and I am sure it will not be long before SVR is invoked. But meanwhile, How did we get from an era of superstars being fine actors to the current state, where most stars are limited actors? Coming back to char actors, if we accuse Rajini of sticking to a style template, how about MR Radha? Even Ranga Rao? They also had a template right? They stuck to it, throughout, right? Whither versatility? I think though Feeyaar wrote it apologetically, then we can bring in all stylistic actors whose style clicked including Gounder. Nagesh, otoh, definitely has done a lot beyond one style and can be considered. Anyway, as long as AVM Rajan is not brought into it, I am fine.
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From: Plum on 5th November 2011 11:32 AM [Full View]
A confession to fellow crusaders, SP and PR meanwhile: happened to watch Kaliyoonjalu on Surya TV last week, on a fever induced leave during a weekday afternoon. So-so movie in Mammokkaa's career apart, what troubled me was that I actually liked Shalini in the movie . Doctors, indha condition-ku pErenna? EvLO nALAgum recover Aga?
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From: venkkiram on 5th November 2011 11:46 AM [Full View]
விருமாண்டி - ஆடுகளம் இரண்டும் பகையுணர்வை மையமாக வைத்து படைக்கப்பட்டவை. இரண்டையும் ஒப்பிடலாமே!
கதை, திரைக்கதை, வசனம், ஒளிப்பதிவு, இயக்கம், பாடல், இசை என பிரித்துப் பார்க்காமல், மொத்தப் படமாக நோக்கும் போது எனக்கு ஆடுகளம் கொடுத்த நிறைவு, பூரணத்தன்மை விருமாண்டி தரவில்லை.
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From: P_R on 5th November 2011 11:56 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
happened to watch Kaliyoonjalu on Surya TV last week, on a fever induced leave during a weekday afternoon. So-so movie in Mammokkaa's career apart, what troubled me was that I actually liked Shalini in the movie . Doctors, indha condition-ku pErenna? EvLO nALAgum recover Aga? 
LM pOnRavargaL ellAm puzhangura idathula vandhu sollikittu.
yEdhO jurathula annikku appadi aayiruchu. vitrunga. One dose of Shankar Guru should restore you.
btw indha fathezhsE ippadi dhaan...
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From: Shakthiprabha on 5th November 2011 12:25 PM [Full View]
oh my god!!! Is this contageous plum... edhukkum naan kaliyooonjalu tv telecast panna, pakkathu veetukku poi oLinjukaren. Originally Posted by Plum
A confession to fellow crusaders, SP and PR meanwhile: happened to watch Kaliyoonjalu on Surya TV last week, on a fever induced leave during a weekday afternoon. So-so movie in Mammokkaa's career apart, what troubled me was that I actually liked Shalini in the movie . Doctors, indha condition-ku pErenna? EvLO nALAgum recover Aga?
Dangerous symptoms! Im relieved it wont be the same for "moms" Originally Posted by P_R
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From: Plum on 5th November 2011 01:09 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
meesicalA sir neenga? TLM it is.
marandhuruvEnniyaLE
Just listened to Nayagan Saranya BGM. What a beauty.I didn't remember it at all
I recall the Naiker-Karthika meeting again scene. Multiple emotions, transitions, all tickets outsold.
Roshan/Joe, court case ellAm nadakkudhu. Look at me: Thalapakattu v Thalapakatti - In my defence, avLavA kEttadhillai. Radio-la pORa pOkkula kEttadhu dhAn. 1995-la Rahman pAttellAm kryptonite
TL Maharajan alsos ung the Tamil version of Yun Hi Chala Chal Rahi in Desam, no? Infintely better than Hari' original.
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From: raghavendran on 5th November 2011 01:12 PM [Full View]
for me Baasha>annamalai...very tough to choose between the two but still go with Baasha..and innoru tough choice thalapathi-MM..natpuku ilakanamngradhu naala...thalapathi...
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From: Plum on 5th November 2011 01:20 PM [Full View]
Just to clairfy, it is not Baby Shalini. This is a pre-Kadhalukkumariyaadhai time movie. Shalini plays Mammotty's thangai. Baby shalini pidikkaRa aLavukku inum pOgala. Just saying - I am not that type of person saar
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From: HonestRaj on 5th November 2011 05:01 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
links for mullum malarum..
sentiment padam'na ippadi irukkanum.. nammayum ariyama kan kalanganum..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PL7ImYghVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vp8WTSbyQU
edhirpartha neraya scene illai
i was searching this one..
சுடு தண்ணீரை தூக்க சொன்ன தங்கையின் முன் கையிழந்த அண்ணனின் முகமும், [from Uthiripookkal thread]
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From: MADDY on 5th November 2011 05:37 PM [Full View]
yes, lets find it out Originally Posted by Nerd
If thalapathy loses there as well, we can conclude that Mani has certainly lost his place in the hub hearts..
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From: HonestRaj on 6th November 2011 03:14 AM [Full View]
i always like reading stats..
so.. can anyone give the no. of days & theater list for both Nayagan & Devar magan.. atleast for COimbatore..
1991 diwali - guna
1992 diwali - devar magan.. films to compete? (apart from pandian)
is Singaravelan the only Kamal film between these 2?
can anyone confirm that 1991 Diwali had Manakara Kaval (or someother VK film)? < because 91-april.. captain prabhakaran & 92-pongal.. chinna gounder.. in between missing mankara kaval & moonrezhuthil en moochirukkum >
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From: Plum on 6th November 2011 06:18 AM [Full View]
Hey ungaLukkaga thAna 92 diwali films list pOttu, ungalukku vendiya info-vai bold ellaam paNNinEn? . Mrs Pazhani, pure tamil song, mother tongue, raasukutty, epic leader
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From: app_engine on 6th November 2011 06:39 AM [Full View]
MM v/s T
I remember voting for sooryA as the best role for RK in one thread before watching MM. It was a neck to neck race between kALi & sooryA in that thread. I would have voted for kALi had I watched MM before.
It would be a very tough race between both movies, without doubt. Mahendran v/s MR.
Possibly there won't be any other agenda, RK-RK-no Kamal, IR-IR no ARR. The other rivalries have not much followers in the hub (e.g. Shoba / Shobana or Sarathbabu / Arvindsamy).
Obviously the masAlAness and the lack of mileau will be the handicaps of T while it had great +ve of Mammootty.
The other major -ve of T is the climax which is laugh-worthy, especially when MM had that terrific one. (The speed with which RK gets back to Karivaradhan is one of the cheapest masAlA thingies that can be seen in cinema, even purANAs involving deities had relatively believable tussle between hero & villain)
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From: app_engine on 6th November 2011 06:41 AM [Full View]
innoru logical doubttu - the longevity of the "kavasa kuNdalam" equivalent
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From: app_engine on 6th November 2011 06:46 AM [Full View]
thaLapathi would have won hands down had it been the sooryA character that gets killed in the end...and if the location had been told specifically as, say, Tuticorin or a place like that.
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From: Plum on 6th November 2011 06:53 AM [Full View]
Hon - idha padiyunga modhalla... Originally Posted by Plum
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From: app_engine on 6th November 2011 06:58 AM [Full View]
Also, replace that shawl with something that could have lasted > 30 years under not-so-great-conditions...still quickly identifiable by the mom, like a pendant (which would have been similar to old piRappu ragasiyam indhi movies)
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From: venkkiram on 6th November 2011 09:52 AM [Full View]
என் பார்வையில் காளி - தேசிய விருது; சூர்யா - தமிழக அரசு விருது
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From: ajithfederer on 6th November 2011 12:37 PM [Full View]
Anybody noted this. Thread starter Saai Dum katti Nayagan-nu pesikittu Devar Magan-kku vote pottirukaaru
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 6th November 2011 12:40 PM [Full View]
Illa thambi appove disclaimer potruchu "If i see Thevar Magan next, i may start preferring that". Eppadi paathalum namma paya dhaan Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Anybody noted this. Thread starter Saai Dum katti Nayagan-nu pesikittu Devar Magan-kku vote pottirukaaru
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From: P_R on 6th November 2011 01:07 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Anybody noted this. Thread starter Saai Dum katti Nayagan-nu pesikittu Devar Magan-kku vote pottirukaaru
MADDY: indha Kamal fansE ippadi dhaan mudhaLaali
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From: VENKIRAJA on 6th November 2011 01:48 PM [Full View]
Point Originally Posted by rsubras
Take the BGMs out of Nayagan and DM...now which movie has more soul, life and character......... I think it should be DM and hence it should be more closer to a real life narration
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From: rsubras on 6th November 2011 03:18 PM [Full View]
Will we ever get such kind of variety of choices of films to choose for viewing on a festival day........ padi padiya thenju 4,3,2 nu release aaguthu ippo lam......... and athulayum 7th sense kooda velayutham release panninathu thappu..solo release vachirukkanum advice vera....... intha situation maaruma? nowadays we get choice of films for a festival only in satellite channels Originally Posted by Plum
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From: Murali Srinivas on 6th November 2011 06:40 PM [Full View]
Dig
Karthi [H/R],
As Plum had already given you the list, let me give you one info that you wanted. Maanagara Kaaval was released in July 1991. I think it was on July 12th or 19th, not sure though. But there is one statistic that might interest you in case you are not aware of that already. If you check VK's filmography list, you will find Iravu Sooriyan as VK's 99th film that had Murali as hero and VK coming in as a special appearance. This movie was released only on July 5th of 1991 whereas Captain Prabakaran the official 100th movie of VK was released on 11th April of 1991. A convenient adjustment to make CP as the 100th movie.
No idea of Moondrezhuthil En Moochhirukkum. But Kaaviya Thalaivan was there but due to some reason the film was not able to hit the screens on Deepavali day of 1992 and got released after a week or so. This Abaavanan produced KSG directed movie failed miserably, creating bad blood between Abaa and KSG that spilled on to the tabloids. The Sarath kumar starrer Thaai Mozhi was also produced by VK through Ibrahim Raavuthar.
Other than TM, the other successful movie was Senthamzih Pattu [a 125 day movie, IIRC] that saw Vasu successfully reloading yet another version of Chinna Thambi within a span of 18 months that also saw MSV and IR coming together for the second time.
Regarding Singaravelan, yes it was the only Kamal movie between Guna and Thevar Magan that came during April 1992.
Regards
end Dig>
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From: raajarasigan on 6th November 2011 08:42 PM [Full View]
MADDY innum vote'ave illai.. Originally Posted by P_R
MADDY: indha Kamal fansE ippadi dhaan mudhaLaali
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From: Plum on 6th November 2011 09:40 PM [Full View]
MS, who scored music for Kaaviyathalaivan? MSVRaja or Gyan Verma or Abaavaanan himself. If it is the first guy, that will answer a question popped by venkkiram a few days ago?
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From: Murali Srinivas on 6th November 2011 11:32 PM [Full View]
Plum,
Not very sure but it was neither Raja nor MSV. Was it that duo Manoj -Gyan who normally scored for all Abaa films? Not aware of Abaa himself scoring music but did it happen for that Karuppu Roja that almost made the writer Indumathi bankrupt who produced the movie?
Regards
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From: HonestRaj on 7th November 2011 12:06 AM [Full View]
sidhartha ... btw, who was that? Originally Posted by Plum
http://www.buycinemovies.com/images/...285-vcd-33.jpg
PLum.. another interesting detail about MD's in VK film..
today visited landmark & saw "thenpandi seemaiyile" dvd.. with a note.. K Baghyaraj isaiyil..
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From: HonestRaj on 7th November 2011 12:12 AM [Full View]
Murali sir..
I'm sure i cannot get these details from any other websites..
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From: HonestRaj on 7th November 2011 12:57 AM [Full View]
// kamal fans.. i take few space of this thread..
// Btw, other films that were released for Deepavali ’92: Rajini’s Pandiyan, Satyaraj’s Thirumathi Pazhanisami, Saratkumar’s Thaaimozhi, Prabhu’s Senthamizh Paattu, Bhagyaraj’s Rasukkutti, and Vijayakanth’s Kaaviyathalaivan. // Originally Posted by Plum
thanks Plum, for the list..
hmm.. like Murali sir said.. Kaviyathalaivan is a miserable flop & i read in few blogs.. that was the end of Aabavanan & he could not do another film with Vijayakanth (named as Moongil kOttai)
& interestingly, Vijayakanth did a guest appearence (as a police officer ) in sarath's Thaimozhi.. 2 films released at same time? how did VK fans (seniors) received it.. i wish I was 10 yrs older to experience that..
i remember the release of devar magan.. a pakkathu veettu anna had drawn the title in same style (with the face of NT & Kamal)
have seen tmt pazhanichami in theater & had an option of watching Rasukutty... that time there was another Sarath film running in theaters "natchathira nayagan"
also remember watching "Pandian" trailer during the intervel of "suriyan" (KG-Ragam?) <Rajini oru uruttu kattai eduthuttu nadandhu varra madhiri irukkum> Annamalai was running in nearby theater (KG-Thanam)
& i've watched Singaravelan too (kaveri theater) .. other screens showed Bharathan (ganga theater), Nadodi thenral (yamuna theater)... once i mentioned in film stats thread, at that time other 2 screens showed Karthik films "idhu namma bhoomi" & "nadodi paatukkaran" along with "nadodi thenral"
i have a liking to read history & stats.. like, what happened, when it happened.. preceding & succeeding events
adhellam good old days & memories... appa ellam hub illai.. ippa ellam competition illai.. variety in film releasing illai
appa ellam running race.. ellorum ore samayathula Oduvanga..
ippa cricket game.. first nee bat pannu.. appuram nan bat panni unnoda score'i thanduren
// end dig... oru flow'la post pannitten
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From: cinema on 7th November 2011 01:44 AM [Full View]
ithellam oru panchaayaththa. Indha panchayaththula nayaganukku oru mariyadhaiye illai.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 7th November 2011 02:22 AM [Full View]
athai thaan naanum sonnen. etho oru padam innoNNai vida konjam anga inga kurai irukkalaam but poll vechi pirichu paakkura aLavukku reNdula ethuvume mosamillai.
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From: rsubras on 7th November 2011 12:21 PM [Full View]
Devar Magan songs pathi niraya peru niraya sonneenga... but enakku Inji iduppazhaga mattum than favorite, other things movie yoda paarkumbothu than nalla irukkara maathiri thonum..... (Potri padadi ponnae combined with singam pola utkarnthirukkum Sivaji, saandhu pottu combined with the scenes that follow up to the song, maasaru ponnae's situation etc.,) of course i do have some vengeance against Devar Magan songs bcoz till that time Roja song chinna chinna aasai was on #1 in the count down (some Cibaca count down in a FM programme conducted by Abaswaram Ramji) and Devar Magan replaced that song to take no.1 position........ andha kobam
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From: rsubras on 7th November 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
boss..konjam anga inga kurai iruntha than poll vachu decide pananum.... periya gap iruntha unanimous ah ve select pannalam Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
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From: app_engine on 7th November 2011 06:00 PM [Full View]
adhulayaum indha 'kAladi maNNE' business varumpOthu nArAsam Originally Posted by rsubras
Whoever has invented this yucky business
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From: Plum on 7th November 2011 06:09 PM [Full View]
SiddharthAvA? MS, I meant a guy called "MSVRaja", who scored the music for "Karuppu Nilaa". He nicknamed himself so. My mind has tagged him with Kaaviyathalaivan for some reason. Could it be that Siddartha is none other than "MSVRaja"? Honest, that's an unknown piece of info. Captain evlo music director isiala nadichurukkAr!
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From: wizzy on 7th November 2011 06:51 PM [Full View]
//dig Rahman peru serthu eruntha oru national intergration agi erukum..none can beat this guy Originally Posted by Plum
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From: HonestRaj on 7th November 2011 07:03 PM [Full View]
meesical hero ... Originally Posted by Plum
that Baghyaraj information is a surprise for me
karuppu nila - by Deva
http://www.maebag.com/images/7475.jpg
yEnga.. ange sandai pOduradha vituttu.. namma threadukku vandhu sila pala stats ellam kudunga..
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From: Plum on 7th November 2011 07:10 PM [Full View]
Enna stats honest? Enakku therinja naalu vishayathaiyE naappadhu vidhamaa permute paNNi quiz threadla exhaust paNNi Achu? Indha ooru(ninga) innumA ennai nambikitturukkInga?
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From: HonestRaj on 7th November 2011 07:16 PM [Full View]
not now.. eppavavadhu siladhu therinjikkanumnu thOnum.. like 92-diwali list.. Originally Posted by Plum
Enna stats honest? Enakku therinja naalu vishayathaiyE naappadhu vidhamaa permute paNNi quiz threadla exhaust paNNi Achu? Indha ooru(ninga) innumA ennai nambikitturukkInga?
andha samayangalla vandhu post pannidunga..
nambikkaithan vazhkkai..
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ok.. let the DM vs Nayak discussion continue
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From: Mahen on 7th November 2011 07:22 PM [Full View]
honest, why choose a plain jane as ur avatar? inniku sweety oda birthday vera
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From: HonestRaj on 7th November 2011 07:27 PM [Full View]
liked her in Engeyum eppodhum.. slightly drum.. but homely look..
sweety's bday.. came to know this after logging today.. i remember only Shreya's bday for different reason..
sweety'dhu pOtta sensor panra madhiri irukkum.. paravallaya
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From: littlemaster1982 on 7th November 2011 07:57 PM [Full View]
MSV Raja scored for Karuppu Roja, not Karuppu Nila. (Aravind) Siddhartha is a different guy. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 7th November 2011 10:02 PM [Full View]
appaa, payyan rendu perume "kaattu miraandi' ngara worda gentla use panniruppaanga. ithumaathiri ellaam unmaiya banana-injection levella sollanumnaa mothallaye konjam paaraati vechaa thaan undu! btw, in today's situation, a film like that can never happen! Originally Posted by app_engine
adhulayaum indha 'kAladi maNNE' business varumpOthu nArAsam
Whoever has invented this yucky business
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From: hattori_hanzo on 7th November 2011 10:09 PM [Full View]
[DIG] Ananya thaane? Yen kannukkum nalla thaan theriyuraa. Originally Posted by HonestRaj
liked her in Engeyum eppodhum.. slightly drum.. but homely look..
sweety's bday.. came to know this after logging today.. i remember only Shreya's bday for different reason..
sweety'dhu pOtta sensor panra madhiri irukkum.. paravallaya She was plump in Naadodigal, but in EE, especially in Sari, she looks thin. Voice konjam Katta Koral. Deserves appreciation for her attempt to speak in Tamil. Not a bad one though. Much better than the other 'very Tamil' girl Anjali.[/DIG]
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 7th November 2011 10:14 PM [Full View]
in that movie, ananya speaks malayaalam tamil and anjali speaks golti tamil! jai speaks slightly chennai tamil!
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From: hattori_hanzo on 7th November 2011 10:31 PM [Full View]
Yes Sakala but Anjali's Zha,La,la all sound the same. I dont find Ananya's Tamil accented. At least not as much as Jayaram, M&M or Kalpana.
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From: Plum on 7th November 2011 10:43 PM [Full View]
Hattori - anjali is golt-mA. Caught her in the cold coffee sequence in EE saying "Oi" as a rebuke/gentle chide. That word and enunciation were agmark golt stamp. Typically Hyderabadi mc/umc style. "Aei" or "ai" would be the tamizh chellakovam/konjal-mirattal equivalent
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From: Plum on 7th November 2011 10:46 PM [Full View]
I sometimes think getting the - controversy alert - traditional, clannish VC Ganesan of real life to use "kaattumiraandigaL" on his own clan was a Kamal coup by itself
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From: Bing on 7th November 2011 10:49 PM [Full View]
My take..
Nayagan - I dont know what triggered both Kamal and Mani (I'ma fan of both - but idhuku poll vecha naan Kamaluku thaan kuthuvaen) to come up with Nayagan. Nobody ever talked about the origin of Nayagan like they do nowadays (for Eg. Endhiran when Shankar said, why not with RK) ... The only pressure that both the legends had wass to deliver something which was never seen before in terms of all technical aspects inlcuding Kamal's performance (what a man at that young age) ..
Devar Maghan on the other hand would have been the most difficult project for Kamal for he had his NT as Devar. That was the only but tremendous pressure for Kamal to come up with a flawless screenplay both until Devar's death and until the climax, for Devar Maghan was shown as the heir of Devar and there can be no nonsense stuff.
The truth is both the movies made a tremendous impact on Tamil Cinema. I still hear the current generation use both " Neenga nallavara kettavaraa" as well as "pongaiya poi pulla kuttigala padikka veinga" (no Vadivelu pun intended)
I will stand with SKV and avoid the poll
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From: app_engine on 7th November 2011 11:10 PM [Full View]
First of all, telling that DM is NT's best is not konjam but rombavE Over.
It was neat & flawless performance OK but allowed him to show only a limited set of expressions / emotions IMHO. There's absolutely no comparison to movies like gauravam, for e.g.
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From: app_engine on 7th November 2011 11:15 PM [Full View]
Likewise, the performance of KH is just average in DM (compare that to the awesomeness in nAyakan). He gets minus marks for the silambu masAlA and the "kadEsi stuntu" masAlA. Again, no such unnecessary hero-stunt-masAlA in nAyakan. Granted, there was a little bit of irritation on the extended inspector-vadham scene but at least I didn't feel it was a thiNichchified masAlA dOsai.
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From: app_engine on 7th November 2011 11:18 PM [Full View]
It's possible I'm the only odd-man in this thread (who totally dismisses DM as an average masAlA and not worthy of comparing with the milestone nAyakan). I'm surprised Plum takes so much of exception for the kezhavi firework MGR-ism of nAyakan but accepts the hero-worship-silambu-fighttu of DM as great cinema which is even more puLichcha mAvu from MGR-ism
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From: irir123 on 7th November 2011 11:26 PM [Full View]
"nayagan" came at a time, when indian mainstream cinema (hindi, tamil, telugu films - malayalam cinema might have been an exception at that time) was dull, dumb, status-quo, stereotype, typecast - driven nonsensical drivel !
'nayagan' shd have been a trend-setter for the entire industry! however, it remained the sole glaring exception to the rule even after it came out! maybe the technical aspects such as crystal clear cinematography etc etc changed in indian cinema after nayagan, but that was just abt it!
if 'nayagan' created a major impact on someone, it was on kamal himself, whose creative abilities came to the fore after that film - 'nayagan's success gave IMO confidence to kamal that he can risk doing films of his liking without worrying too much abt financial returns!
in every which way, 'nayagan' showcases the zenith of kamal the actor - and helped mani ratnam blossom further though he became jaded post 'mumbai' fiasco - esp in terms of casting !!
'devar magan' was kamal's answer to his own challenge as a script-writer, if not in terms of performance - a script that made every single character central to it and not the thevar character per se! be it, the treachorous chronic, congenitally bad mayan (note the reference to 'maya' the delusional aspect of hindu mysiticism!), who chooses to be nasty throughout until he meets a gruesome end, in the hands of sakthi (note the reference to shakthi as the pure form of spirit that conquers delusional maya in hindu mystical theology!), or, the vadively character, or the one played by kaaka radhakrishnan, or revathi, every character is remembered now and the movie wud be incomplete even if one of them was left out! that makes TM a scriptwriter' dream come true!
AFAIK, the experience of watching thevar magan was similar to watching 'mississipi burning' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLf0y_6ieAc and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Burning
if nayagan was kamal at his zenith as an actor,
TM saw kamal blossom into a scriptwriter which simply continued on with Mahanadhi et al!
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From: app_engine on 7th November 2011 11:30 PM [Full View]
pORadhadhukku 'sAnthuppottu sandhanappottu'nnu oru pAttu vERa. A song that can at the max compare with Ram-Latchuman's 'nAn thAngoppandA nallamuththuppErandA' kinds and doesn't even get pass mark from a me as there's absolutely nothing to attract me. Like I mentioned earlier, have listened to it < 10 times. (I don't believe that an IR/SPB song has to be listened many times to "grow on me").
I don't know how TFM-lovers can compare that with the superb 'andhi mazhai mEgham' that has some lovely variations in the saraNam Also, PC's / MR's visuals were breathtaking for that song!
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 7th November 2011 11:43 PM [Full View]
நாயகன் படத்திற்காக கமல் தந்தது அதிகம், பெற்றது மிக மிக அதிகம், இழந்தது ஒன்றே ஒன்று தான், அது மீசை!(மீசையின்றி நடித்த முதல் படம்!) அதே மீசை தேவர் மகன் படத்திற்கு ஒரு added attraction ஆக இருந்தது, பல ரசிகர்களும் மீசை கெட்டப்பில் உலவினார்கள். எனவே மீசை உள்ள தேவர் மகன் தான் சிறந்த படம்
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From: Saai on 7th November 2011 11:51 PM [Full View]
absolutely! Originally Posted by app_engine
I don't know how TFM-lovers can compare that with the superb 'andhi mazhai mEgham' that has some lovely variations in the saraNam Also, PC's / MR's visuals were breathtaking for that song!
andhimazhai megam is so under rated. Great song - Instant festive mood creator!!
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 7th November 2011 11:58 PM [Full View]
Comparing the spirit of one movie (as exemplified by one scene) with just a set-piece hero-worship fight, ignoring all other aspects of the other movie is ridiculous Originally Posted by app_engine
It's possible I'm the only odd-man in this thread (who totally dismisses DM as an average masAlA and not worthy of comparing with the milestone nAyakan). I'm surprised Plum takes so much of exception for the kezhavi firework MGR-ism of nAyakan but accepts the hero-worship-silambu-fighttu of DM as great cinema which is even more puLichcha mAvu from MGR-ism
And acting is not just a contest of standing in front of a mirror and showing as many "expressions" as possible. Maybe school plays and fancy dress competitions but not film acting.
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From: app_engine on 8th November 2011 12:02 AM [Full View]
IMO, the best phase of MF started in early 80's and remained so till early 90's. (I was fortunate to live in the state from '86) Originally Posted by irir123
Also, the generally accepted 'golden age' of MF started in the 80's.
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From: irir123 on 8th November 2011 02:32 AM [Full View]
so my guess / observation was correct abt malayalam cinema being an exception during the 1980s !! Originally Posted by app_engine
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From: SoftSword on 8th November 2011 03:40 AM [Full View]
naanum oi dhaan use pannuven instead of ei... Originally Posted by Plum
picked it from my mom and maternal uncle... neenga solra madhiri idha vechu ellaam golti'nu neenga avlo easya generalize panradhudhaan enakku aacharyam..
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From: Dilbert on 8th November 2011 05:59 AM [Full View]
SS Thangal kuuravanda kaaruthu Envoo? Originally Posted by SoftSword
Plum-en Pulla theramai-ei Neengla Question sai gerergala?
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From: NOV on 8th November 2011 06:39 AM [Full View]
How many of you know that the original tune for thenpaandi seemaiyile scene was the slower version of nilaa adhu vaanaththa pOla....
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From: dell_gt on 8th November 2011 06:55 AM [Full View]
really? Originally Posted by NOV
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From: Plum on 8th November 2011 07:08 AM [Full View]
Softie, enunciation-nu oru rider add paNNi irukkEn. Adhaiyum serththu yosikkonum
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From: Plum on 8th November 2011 07:09 AM [Full View]
Thavira, there is something about exception and rule. You can't take an exception and prove a rule
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From: Plum on 8th November 2011 07:14 AM [Full View]
App, I think bala put it in as simple a fashion as can be put. Ofcourse, TM is at surface a masala movie. This is what I claimed and sathya refuted saying it is a classic. It is ofcourse a classic but the beauty is that it is a masala at surface level. Your reading confirms that. Only that when you dig in, you'll find the layers. Admittedly, you haven't seen it enough or even the one time you saw, it hasn't been with sufficient ocntext. Pls note skv's post about kaaladi mann being a red herring. The film doesn't glorify feudalism, and the existing caste hierarchy, just in case you thought otherwise
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From: Plum on 8th November 2011 07:18 AM [Full View]
Yeah, mani mentioned somewhere that the tunes given for thenpaandi and nila adhu were interchanged by him(mani). That is, a faster version of thenpaandi was given for the boat-cabaret by Kuyili and nilaa adhu as the theme. Sounds outrageous but we all know IR's ability and tricks with the orchestration to make it happen if required.
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From: sathya_1979 on 8th November 2011 07:35 AM [Full View]
ejjatly, janaranjagamaavum irukkaNum, adhE samayam vishayamum irukkaNum. TM fits both these parameters perfectly. Commercial matters irukkum, aanaa thiNikkappatta maadhiriyE theriyaadhu. natural I say! Originally Posted by Plum
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From: groucho070 on 8th November 2011 07:58 AM [Full View]
Sometimes I feel the seed of "mass hero thingy" came from Nayagan. The "look at me, look at the mass behind me, look at me walk leading them" thing was romanticised here. It looked awesome at that time. Then, came Talabathi, which sort of tried to do that, but our friend was actually Selva to Mammotty's Naicker. So, he corrected that with Baasha. The rest as they say, is the history which opened the floodgates that let in wannabes and pretenders....
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From: littlemaster1982 on 8th November 2011 08:00 AM [Full View]
Isn't it like, exception proves the rule Originally Posted by Plum
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From: joe on 8th November 2011 08:06 AM [Full View]
Absolutely ! Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: NOV on 8th November 2011 08:20 AM [Full View]
old meaning of "proves" is similar to tests - thus exception tests the rule is the correct interpretation... Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Isn't it like, exception proves the rule
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From: joe on 8th November 2011 08:22 AM [Full View]
கமலைப் பொறுத்தவரை தேவர் மகனை விட நாயகனில் நுண்ணிய உணர்வுகளை வெளிப்படுத்தும் வாய்ப்புகள் அதிகம் இருந்தது என்பது உண்மை . ஆனால் அதுவே தேவர்மகனில் நடிப்பு குறைவு என்று சொல்வதற்கு காரணமாக முடியாது .. வேலுநாயக்கர் பாத்திரத்துக்கு தேவையானது நாயகனில் கொடுக்கப்படிருந்தது .. சக்தி பாத்திரத்துக்கு தேவையானது தேவர் மகனில் கொடுக்கப்பட்டிருந்தது .. சக்தி பாத்திரத்துக்கு கொடுக்கப்பட்ட நடிப்பில் என்ன குறை என்பதை தனியாக பேச வேண்டுமே தவிர வேலுநாயக்கரோடு ஒப்பிட்டு பேச முடியாது .
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From: Plum on 8th November 2011 08:24 AM [Full View]
LM, I should have said " you can't take one exception and disprove the rule". Well spotted errata, master-nu prove pannittinga
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From: P_R on 8th November 2011 09:16 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
thenpAndi seemaiyilE
neeROdum vaigaiyilE
maanpOlE vandhavaLai
yaar aNaichaaRO O
yaar aNaichaaRO
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From: P_R on 8th November 2011 11:46 AM [Full View]
summA oru pEchchukku dhaanE sonneenga..? Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
That fight was far from just kero-worship. Of course - Kamal gives enough for someone who wants just that - and boy what a thrill!
But more than that, that scene is about the ominous foretelling of the inner mirugam.
He is provoked by sandhaanam's taunts and gets into 'maanam kaakkum' mode. And still thinks he is NOT a kaattu miraaNdi.
evanO yEdhO sollittu pOrAnnu "cultured gentleman" vida vENdiyadhu dhaanE?
Sandhaanam: bayappadaadheeha
Sakthi: bayam illai...oru vElai irukku
Sandhaanam: pombaLainga edhukka avumaanamA irukkumnu paakkureeyaLA? medhuvA adi padaama veesurEn
And Sandhanam's taunt is a barely veiled sexual remark
Sandhaanam: andha ammAvai ennaiya padam pudichuttu pOga sollunga. avanga pOnadhum solli tharEn...appo dhaan neenga thaniyA (pause...puts the silambu between his legs) andha ammAvukku kambu suththi kaatta mudiyum
So he is defending 'honor of our women'. A reason as old as the hills!
Sakthi wins round 1: naan poNadhum idhE maadhiri ivaingaLOda (same gesture) kambu viLayAndu kaattu
And with that one-upsmanship he is back to gentleman only to be provoked again by..
Sandhaanam: adi padaama kambu kattaNumnA adhO andha ammA kooda dhaan kambu kattaNum
The very idea of the film is captured in that fight.
Kids whistling, allakkai clapping, his woman taking admiring photos. This kind of deification he may never get when he steps out to the modern world starting his restaurant-chain.
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From: groucho070 on 8th November 2011 12:04 PM [Full View]
P_R, simply superb. And that song is teasing, not a taut self-praising anthem ("Palla odappEn" is a favourite NT threat), even after that rap there's much laugh all around. It's a light moment, further introduction to Shakti's root.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 8th November 2011 12:17 PM [Full View]
PR
Intro dance ( by no means "unrealistic"), saandhu pottu that follows the fight ellam masala checklist ticks dhaane
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From: SoftSword on 8th November 2011 12:23 PM [Full View]
aana plum... unga english vechuttu neenga panra alichaattiyam irukkae... Originally Posted by Plum
Softie, enunciation-nu oru rider add paNNi irukkEn. Adhaiyum serththu yosikkonum
neenga sonna rule... naan sonna exception... nalla nyaayam... rendu moonu naala neenga nalla formla vera irukkeenga.. aagattum..
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From: P_R on 8th November 2011 12:28 PM [Full View]
B(K), yes but it is nothing to be apologetic about considering how extremely well integrated it was and how it underscored the central ideas in the film - far from crowdpleasing being a departure from the story being told.
"Atleast oru hero worship scene" 'ngra maadhiri adhai solradhai kadumaiyA aatchEbikkiREn.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 8th November 2011 12:31 PM [Full View]
(Amaamla) Arumai! Originally Posted by P_R
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 8th November 2011 12:34 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 8th November 2011 01:03 PM [Full View]
P_R, kalakkipteega! What a b'day essay!! Eppavaavathu vanthu pogum Mr.app_engine, kindly read his posts
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From: equanimus on 8th November 2011 01:08 PM [Full View]
I second everything PR has said here, and I'd say we ought to go a bit further and complete the thought. I suppose B(K) is basically saying, "well, at the end of the day, we all know these items were inserted to the film so that it qualifies as a film with some mainstream conventions." Yes, we shouldn't pretend this is incidental. Nor should we insist that it's just a clever trick and what's really important is how well integrated these scenes are to the internal universe of the film. Isn't there quite a bit of self-reflexiveness on the film's part in the way it links Sakthi's own sense of privilege and presumptuousness with conventional hero set pieces that work ONLY because it's played by a hero of Kamal's stature and persona? And, of course, there's the whole subtext of Kamal paying tribute to Sivaji and calling himself the latter's successor! Totally meta 'ங்க. Which is again an essential characteristic of our mainstream films. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Plum on 8th November 2011 01:16 PM [Full View]
Saai - one thing we must thank you for is bringing equa out of hibernation, even if only occasional and sporadic. Good kalagam started by subtle naradar Saai.Feeyar - Skv, mr app engine taunt ellAm thEvaiyA? Avar karuththu avar sonnaarunga edhukku tungsten?
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From: kid-glove on 8th November 2011 01:51 PM [Full View]
App app-appo thiriya kozhuthi vittutu poiduvaar. Result is that wonderful post by F_R. So well done App.
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From: jaiganes on 12th November 2011 05:12 PM [Full View]
P_R - pinipteenga ponga. Originally Posted by P_R
The movie is indeed all about the thoonging mirugam in sakthi vs. awake mirugam in the rest of padhinettu patti.
Another ode to fatalistic choicelessness - good comparison -(minus masala) would be that mamootty movie thaniaavarthanam - compli did a post on similar lines i believe in his blog....
nayagan - ippadipatta subtext edhuvum illaadha padam maadhiri thoninaalum.. - but it was another movie in which hero gets thrusted into a path of violence - just that he is comfortable doing it thanks to
1. lack of value system or education that can prohibit him
2. No better choice - ipdiye vittaa pozhaikka kooda mudiyaadhu..
3. chinna vayasulaye raththam paatha thimir..
Mani wrote a wonderful chathriyan to counter argue the protagonist's choice he had made in naayagan..
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 12th November 2011 05:27 PM [Full View]
Equa made an interesting post (unfortunately kalavarathula poiruchu).
My thought is along the second point in your post - that it's intentional and not incidental but so cleverly woven into the main flow that it doesn't stand out as a compromise - I mean the masala ticks. Andha meta angle enakku strike aagala (eranga virumbaadha star-e erangardhu)
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 12th November 2011 05:28 PM [Full View]
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From: raghavendran on 12th November 2011 07:40 PM [Full View]
second halfla too much of revathi kadhai vandha feel irukku...konjam divert ana madhiri thonudhu.....caught up in kalaignar tv yesterday..Sivaji sir's performance...ayyo attagasam
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From: Sid_316 on 12th November 2011 07:49 PM [Full View]
Yesterday Devar magan on kalaigner and Nayagan on Raj Tv at the same time. Was swapping back and forth.. Both are just amazing Kamal and Ilayaraja
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From: app_engine on 14th November 2011 10:11 AM [Full View]
The best in class came a couple of years before DM - that Logithadas / Sibi Malayil monster Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: app_engine on 14th November 2011 10:32 AM [Full View]
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From: 19thmay on 14th November 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
Its Devar Magan for me, the film consist of many short stories which is never boring even after watching several times.
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From: ilekani on 30th December 2011 12:58 AM [Full View]
Not only did he have a meesai, it is made a point of. The father is disapproving of a mappillai bc mappillai has a meesai and the wife reminds him that his son also has one. Originally Posted by app_engine
BTW, did he have meesai in arangERRam? muscle ellAm kAttuvAru, meesai irukkAdhunnu thAn nenakkiREn...
Back to the original subject, the mirugam within punch dialog is cornball but "nee nallavanaa kettavana" is a thousand times worse.