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From: ThalaNass
on 11th September 2007 02:08 PM
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the trailer looks promising.. :P
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From: anoops
on 11th September 2007 02:19 PM
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his appreances in the movie was amazing - awaiting another good film
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From: NOV
on 11th September 2007 02:21 PM
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Re: Jeeva's Tamizh MA
Originally Posted by
ThalaNass
“The actor takes on different types of roles and not averse of change of get ups.
enjoyed his E very much!
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From: anoops
on 11th September 2007 02:31 PM
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From: MrJudge
on 14th September 2007 12:27 PM
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Both preview and songs are so good. Kathir and Yuvan both have done fantastic jobs.
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From: MrJudge
on 5th October 2007 03:56 PM
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From: Nerd
on 5th October 2007 09:30 PM
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From: MrJudge
on 6th October 2007 10:40 AM
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Watched KT yesterday, wow, it is a different and complicated film. The only minus point is that there are sad sequences appearing one by one for atleast 15 mins in the first half. That felt like overdose, if only the director spread them across, it would have been great, but still an interesting and bold film by the debutant director. I think he joins in the good directors list of Yuvan.
Dialogues are so natural and good. Cinematography, music, all supporting actors are so apt. Vaazhkkai enbathu song is not used in the movie. Para para pattampoochi song is for Jeeva and his mentor not with the heroine as I had imagined.
After seeing Jeeva's performance I think he should have acted in Puthupettai instead of Dhanush. He would have taken it to the different level.
I will watch Katrathu Tamil a few more times
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From: Bala8749
on 6th October 2007 04:57 PM
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Watched KT today, and the movie is awesome. The quality of the movie is excellent with good narration and excellent screenplay. A movie that will do tamil cinema proud.
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From: rocketboy
on 7th October 2007 01:08 AM
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Excellent movie. Brilliant performance by Jeeva. He impressed me with Raam and now this movie . Guy has matured a lot. BGM is also good.
Highly recommended
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From: buddysathi
on 7th October 2007 03:09 AM
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Technically a great movie in terms of screenplay,direction,acting,music,cinematography!
But very much avoidable since the theme is very disturbing and negative.
Why cant they make postive,inspiring movies in Tamil?
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From: vasanth2006
on 7th October 2007 10:21 AM
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/review.php?id=14538729&ctid=5&cid=2429
Jeeva’s, Ram Subbu directed Katrathu Tamil is a daringly different film, which gets into the mind of a psychopath and explores it. An ordinary young man, frustrated by his circumstances and futility of his job, slowly loses his mental balance and becomes a psychopath, and when he gets redeemed it’s too late.
The film is showcased by the director to highlight the performance of Jeeva. Armed with a well written role of Prabhakar, a brilliant post-graduate in Tamil, the actor brings a primal mixture of beauty, love, affection, and savagery to his one-man act. The scene where he confronts a call centre employee, in the middle of the night on a deserted street and pours his scorn and frustration at the system is brilliant.
Prabhakar (Jeeva) is a Tamil teacher in a private school in west Mambalam area of Chennai, who leads a lonely life in a lodge. He is frustrated and even tries to commit suicide, in a system where knowing your mother tongue and teaching it is looked down upon by a society craving for material benefits and imbalance in pay structure. 10 years back, there were people who were getting Rs 2000 and Rs 20000, but today all that have changed as there are individuals working for IT companies drawing Rs 2 lakhs as salary, while the guy who gets Rs 2000 is still there trying to eke out a living!
Prabhakar, for no fault of his is at the receiving end, terrorised by cops and on the run after killing a railway booking clerk in a fit of rage. He roams all around the country and joins some saadhus, high on pot and also grows his hair long and keeps a shaggy beard. Finally he wants to exorcise the devils within and at gun point kidnaps a television anchor (Karnas), who records his life story, where he confesses to killing 22 people in cold blood! In the flashback he reveals his past, his upbringing by a Tamil teacher (director Azhagarperumal in a great cameo), and his childhood sweet heart, (Anjali) who later in his life becomes an obsession for him.
The entire film is told in the way of a first person narrative, which at times slows down the tempo, and there is a bit of blood and gore which could have been trimmed. There are times especially towards the climax, where the film veers perilously close to being a stock revenge saga (Prabhakar killing the cop who badly beat him up) Yuvan’s melancholic numbers are first rate with his dad Ilayaraaja song Paarvayin Yen Ingu Irukurai… being the pick of the lot. Yuvan has also created the right mood in the background score which enhances the movie. Kadhir’s gritty camera which travels all over the country, is another plus point.
Ram Subbu’s script and characterization of Prabhakar, pours plenty of heartfelt emotion into the film’s more dramatic moments. The film is high-brow, but if you are looking for a fresh off-kilter cinematic experience, then you don’t want to miss Katrathu Tamil.
Verdict- Good
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From: MrJudge
on 8th October 2007 07:19 PM
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First I thought Paruththi Veeran was one of the best movies in tf industry in the last 10 years or so. But Katrathu Tamil easily beats Paruththi Veeran in every department. This is easily the best movie.
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From: rocketboy
on 8th October 2007 08:08 PM
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And for my part I've added him to 'must watch directors' list . Brilliant .
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From: Nerd
on 9th October 2007 09:09 AM
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From: MrJudge
on 9th October 2007 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
http://www.rediff.com/movies/2007/oct/08ram.htm
How is it faring at the BO
Thanks the link , Nerd.
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From: Sanjeevi
on 9th October 2007 05:07 PM
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BO verdict
sify has given No.1 place
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14540214
behindwoods has given No.2 place
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-mov...en-movies.html
BTW, i think WOM will help Katradhu Tamizh and next week will show the actual BO status of Katradhu Tamil
PS: I couldn't get a ticket at Thiruvanmiyur Thiyagaraja for 6.30 PM show on last Sunday
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From: joe
on 12th October 2007 09:18 AM
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“சென்னையில் வசிப்பவர்களை இரண்டே இரண்டு பிரிவுகளுக்குள்ளே அடக்கி விடலாம். ஸ்பென்ஸர் ப்ளாசாவுக்கு உள்ளே இருப்பவர்கள், ஸ்பென்ஸர் ப்ளாசாவுக்கு வெளியே இருப்பவர்கள்’.
இது படத்தில் வரும் வசனம். பொறியியல் , மருத்துவம் என்று மாணவர்கள், நான்கு வருடங்களுக்குப் பிறகு கிடைக்க இருக்கும் லட்சங்களை மனதில் வைத்து, அலைமோதிக் கொண்டிருக்கும் காலகட்டத்திலே, ‘ எங்க தமிழய்யா மாதிரி வாத்தியார் ஆகணும்’ என்று வெள்ளந்தியாக நினைத்து தமிழ் முதுகலைப் பட்டம் பெற்ற பிரபாகருக்கும் ( ஜீவா ), வீக்கத்தை வளர்ச்சி என்று நம்பும் ‘மாடேர்ன்’ சமூகத்துக்கும் நடக்கிற பிரச்சனைதான் கதை.
இதற்குள்ளாக, தொடர்ந்த அவமானங்களால், பிரபாகர், மனநிலை குழம்பி இருபத்து இரண்டு கொலைகள் செய்து விடுகிறான்.
எளிமையான வாழ்க்கையைக் கூட வாழ விடாமல் விழுங்க நினைக்கும் பூதாகரமாக வளர்ந்து நிற்கும் நகரத்திடம் இருந்து தப்பித்து, வெளியூருக்கு ஓடி சாமியார்களிடம் தஞ்சம் அடைந்து, கஞ்சா அடித்து, ஊர் ஊராகச் சுற்றித் தன் பால்யகாலத் தோழியைக் தேடிக் கண்டுபிடிக்க முயலும் அந்த இரண்டு வருடங்களில், குற்ற உணர்ச்சியே இல்லாமல், அந்தக் கொலைகளைச் செய்கிறான்.
உடனே, இது தமிழ் மொழிக்காகப் பாடுபடும் கதை என்றோ, ஒற்றை ஆளாகச் சமூகத்தை வன்முறை மூலமாகத் திருத்த முயலும் அன்னியன் மாதிரியான கதை என்றோ நினைத்து விட வேண்டாம். மாநகரங்களிலே income inequality என்பது பரவலாக இப்போது தெரிய வந்திருக்கும் பிரச்சனை. இந்தப் பிரச்சனை பற்றிய தன் பார்வையை, ஆவேசமான வாக்குமூலமாக சன் டிவி செய்தியாளரிடம் ( கருணாஸ் )வைக்கும் போது, front bench இல் இருந்து விசில் பறக்கிறது. பால்கனி அமைதியாக இருக்கிறது.
இது ஜீவாதானா அல்லது நிசமாகவே பிரபாகர் என்று யாரையாவது கொண்டு வந்து நடிக்க வைத்திருக்கிறாரா என்று சில சமயம் சந்தேகம் வருகிறது. ஜீவாவின் அழுத்தமான நடிப்பும், உடல் மொழியும்,. ஒப்பனையும் வசன உச்சரிப்பும், தேசிய விருதுக்கான தரத்தில் இருக்கிறது.
நல்ல சிந்தனைகள் மட்டுமே ஒரு படத்தை, சிறந்த படமாக ஆக்கி விடாது. இயக்குனர் ராமிற்கும் அது தெரிந்திருக்கிறது. முழுப்படத்தையும் தன் தோளில் தாங்கும் ஜீவா மட்டுமல்லாது, மிகக் குறைச்சலாக வரும் துணைப் பாத்திரங்கள் அனைவருமே - தோழியாக வரும் ஆனந்தி, தமிழய்யாவாக வரும் அழகம் பெருமாள், கருணாஸ் - நடிக்கவில்லை. வாழ்ந்திருக்கிறார்கள். யுவன் ஷங்கர் ராஜாவின் இசையும், ஸ்ரீகர் ப்ரசாத்தின் தொகுப்பும் அபாரம். ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் எஸ்.ஆர். கதிர் - நிஜத்தைச் சொல்ல வேண்டும் என்றால் - பின்னிப் பெடல் எடுத்திருக்கிறார். அங்கங்கே தொய்வடையும் திரைக்கதையை மட்டும் கொஞ்சம் இழுத்துப் பிடித்திருந்தால், இன்னும் நன்றாக இருந்திருக்கும்.
சமூகத்தில் இருக்கும் பிரச்சனைகளை வைத்துப் படங்கள் வந்திருக்கின்றன. ஆனால், ஷங்கர் மாதிரி, அபத்தமான
தீர்வுகள் சொல்லாமல், சிக்கலையும், சிக்கலால் பாதிக்கப்பட்ட வாழ்க்கையையும் நம் முன்னே விரித்துக் காட்டி விட்டு, ‘ பார்த்துக்கங்க சார், நாளைக்கே உங்களுக்கும் இது போல ஏதாவது….’ என்று சொல்வதோடு முடித்துக் கொள்வதற்காக இயக்குனருக்கு ஒரு நன்றிக் கைகுலுக்கல்.
அதோடு ‘என்ன சார் சும்மா பிரச்சனை பிரச்சனைன்னு? எல்லார் வீட்லயும் கலர் டீவி ஃப்ரிஜ் இருக்கு, எல்லாருக்கும்
பர்சனல் லோன் கிடைக்குது, க்ளினிக் ஆல் க்ளியர் சாஷே ஜஸ்ட் ஒன் ருப்பீ, பிச்சைக்காரன் ஒர்ரூவாக்கு கம்மியா குடுத்தா வாங்க மாட்டேங்கறான்.. நாடு எவ்ளோ சுபிட்சமா இருக்கு’ என்று வங்கிக்கடனில் வாங்கிய காரில் பறக்கும் புதிய நடுத்தர வர்க்கத்திடம், ‘கொளுத்திப் போட்டு கச்சேரியைத் துவக்கியதற்காகவும்’ , படக்குழுவினருக்கு, ஸ்பென்ஸர்ஸில் இருந்து ஸ்பெஷலாக ஆர்டர் செய்த மலர்ச்செண்டு ஒன்று.
கற்றது தமிழ் - அவசியம் பார்க்கணும்.
http://icarusprakash.wordpress.com/2...amiz-must-see/
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From: MADDY
on 12th October 2007 04:53 PM
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Economic Disparity, Imbalance in growth, Civil war - the hottest and most relevant social problem in this IT-crazy India now.......and to give it a Tamil touch - brilliant, absolutely brilliant idea
.......
but i'm still not comfortable with the human slaughtering glorified in these movies
........picture this, kids who grew watching Nayakan, mudhal mariyadhai, punnagai mannan, roja are making movies like Thamizh M.A, then imagine wat will kids watching Thamizh M.A wud do
........
(watching it over the weekend
)
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From: kalnayak
on 12th October 2007 05:03 PM
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 12th October 2007 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Economic Disparity, Imbalance in growth, Civil war - the hottest and most relevant social problem in this IT-crazy India now.......and to give it a Tamil touch - brilliant, absolutely brilliant idea
.......
but i'm still not comfortable with the human slaughtering glorified in these movies
........picture this, kids who grew watching Nayakan, mudhal mariyadhai, punnagai mannan, roja are making movies like Thamizh M.A, then imagine wat will kids watching Thamizh M.A wud do
........
(watching it over the weekend
)
will re-make Nayakan, mudhal mariyadhai, punnagai mannan, roja
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From: MrJudge
on 12th October 2007 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Economic Disparity, Imbalance in growth, Civil war - the hottest and most relevant social problem in this IT-crazy India now.......and to give it a Tamil touch - brilliant, absolutely brilliant idea
.......
but i'm still not comfortable with the human slaughtering glorified in these movies
........picture this, kids who grew watching Nayakan, mudhal mariyadhai, punnagai mannan, roja are making movies like Thamizh M.A, then imagine wat will kids watching Thamizh M.A wud do
........
(watching it over the weekend
)
This kinda movies are not meant for kids. Parents should know which movies they should take their kids to. Even if they are cautious, kids will learn from other sources whatever they want, (that is a different matter)
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From: MrJudge
on 12th October 2007 05:33 PM
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MADDY,
Ram should have directed this movie after watching movies like Veedu.
santhadi saakkula Mani Rathnam movies-a glorify pannatha.
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From: MADDY
on 12th October 2007 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
MADDY,
Ram should have directed this movie after watching movies like Veedu.
santhadi saakkula Mani Rathnam movies-a glorify pannatha.
i just meant the generation - i'm sure those 4 movies had a great part in defining that generation......also, i'm the only person who glorifies Mani in the HUB, adhu kooda porukka mudiyaadha??
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From: crajkumar_be
on 12th October 2007 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i'm the only person who glorifies Mani in the HUB, adhu kooda porukka mudiyaadha??
ahaa!
avar padangala rasikkaravanga inga neraya peru irukkom....
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From: MrJudge
on 12th October 2007 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i'm the only person who glorifies Mani in the HUB, adhu kooda porukka mudiyaadha??
ahaa!
avar padangala rasikkaravanga inga neraya peru irukkom....
avaroda padangalai vida nalla padangalai rasikkaravanga
konja perum irrukom.
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From: thilak4life
on 12th October 2007 10:46 PM
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From: crajkumar_be
on 12th October 2007 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
avaroda padangalai vida nalla padangalai rasikkaravanga konja perum irrukom.
ayyA andha vAdhathukkE varla ippo...
Just wanted to say that Mani is right at the top (with others) and Maddy is not alone...TFM la he is among the leaders IMO...
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From: Roshan
on 14th October 2007 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Ditto! But Maddy always thinks otherwise
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From: P_R
on 14th October 2007 05:23 PM
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கற்றத&
"காரணங்கள் எல்லாம் கதையில் தான் வரும். வாழ்க்கையில் தர்க்கங்களுக்கு இடம் கிடையாது". இது கற்றது தமிழ் திரைப்படத்தில் வசனமாக வரும் மையக்கரு. கதையில் மையக்கரு தேடுவதென்பதே ஒழுங்கையும் கோர்வையையும் தேடும் மனப்பாங்கு தான். அந்த ஒழுங்கே, மூச்சுத்திணரடிக்கும் கட்டமைப்பாகவும் பார்க்கலாம். இப்படியிருக்க, வாழ்க்கையில் மையக்கரு தேடுவது என்பது மாபெரும் அபத்தம் தான்.
எல்லோருக்கும் புரிவதற்கு எளிதாக இருக்கவேண்டும் என்று வாழ்க்கைக்கு தெரிகிறதா என்ன ! அதன் பாட்டிற்கு கோர்வையற்ற நிகழ்வுகளையும், விளக்க முடியாத அழுத்தங்களையும் அடுக்கிவிட்டு விளங்கிக்கொள்ளவே முடியாத செயல்களையும் செய்வித்து சென்றுவிடுகிறது. அதை சகலோருக்கும் புரியும் வகையில் விளக்கங்கள் சொல்ல வேண்டி உள்ளது. நாளிடைவில் அந்த விளக்கங்களே நம்பிக்கைகளாக நிலைத்துவிடுகின்றன.
என் செயல்களுக்கு காரணம் தேடாதே அவற்றை உனக்கு விளக்க நான் முயலவில்லை, என்று நாயகன் பிரபாகர் சொல்லிக்கொண்டே இருந்தாலும் அதையும் மீறி அவற்றைத் தேடும் ஒழுங்குவிரும்பிகளாகவே நாம் இருப்போம். இதை மனித இயல்பு என்ற தட்டையான வார்த்தைகளால் சொல்லலாம். ஆனால், சுதந்திரம் துறந்து, ஒரு கட்டமைக்குள்ளே எதிர்பார்ப்புக்கள் வைத்துக்கொண்டுவிட்டதை "இயல்பு" என்று சொல்கிறோமே என்ற பிரக்ஞையோடு தான் சொல்ல முடிகிறது.
தன்மையில் சொல்லப்படும் கதைகளில் எப்போதுமே ஒரு ஈர்ப்பு உண்டு. வாய்ஸ் ஓவர் என்பது நாவல் வடிவத்திலிருந்து முழுவதும் திரையெழுத்தாக மாறமுடியாமல் போனதின் எச்சம் தான். இருந்தாலும் இந்தப் படத்தில் வரும் பிரமாதமான வசனங்களை வேறு எந்த வடிவிலும் போட்டிருக்க முடியாது.தன் தோழி ஆனந்தியைத் தேடி பிரபாகர் செல்லும் அந்த மகாராஷ்ட்ரா பயணத்தில், அவன் நினைப்பதை பேசியிருந்தால் நன்றாக இருந்திருக்காது. அவன் நினைப்பதை நாம் கேட்பது அவன் உரையாடல்களுக்குப் பின் இயங்கும் அவன் மனப்போக்கை நமக்குக் காட்டுகின்றன.
கலைஞன் சொல்லியே ஆகவேண்டிய கட்டாயத்தில் இருக்கிறான். ஆனால் அவன் செய்வது பிரசங்கம் அல்ல. பிரசங்கத்தின் நோக்கம் கேட்பவனை மாற்றுவது. கலைஞனின் நோக்கம் சொல்வது மட்டுமே, கருத்துப் பறிமாற்ம் அன்று. இதைச் சொல்லும் பொட்டுத் தெறிக்கும் வசனம் (பிரபாகரின் "வாக்குமூலத்தை" பதிவு செய்யும் வீடியோக்ராஃபர் கருணாஸ் தன் கருத்தை சொல்ல முயல, பிரபாகர் இடைமறித்துப் பேசும் வசனம்): "உன்னை ரெகார்ட் பண்ண தான் கூப்பிட்டேன், அட்வைஸ் பண்ண இல்ல"
கருணாஸ் ஏற்றிருக்கும் பாத்திரம் பார்வையாளரின் மனநிலையை/ எண்ணத்தையும் எள்ளலையும் பிரதிபலிக்க உருவாக்கப்பட்டது. இது புத்திசாலித்தனமாக கையாளப்பட்ட உத்தி. பிரபாகரின் தனது செயல்களுக்குக் சொல்லும் காரணங்களையும் "இதுக்கெல்லாம் அலட்டிக்கலாமா" என்கிற தொனியில் பேசுவது அழகாக வந்திருக்கிறது. ஒரே விஷயம் ஒருவனை கொலைக்கும் தூண்டும் ஒருவனுக்கு இயல்பாக இருக்கும் என்பதை சொல்வதிலேயே, இந்தப் படம் உச்சத்தை எட்டுகிறது.
கொலையப்பற்றிப் பேசும் பொழுது: கண்ணை மூடினால் பரவசம், கண்ணைத் திறந்ததும் அருவெறுப்பு எனற உவமை
கோபாளித்தனமாக இல்லாமல் பிரமிப்பாக இருப்பதற்கு காரணம் ஜீவாவின் நடிப்பு. புதுமுகம் அஞ்சலி, வாத்தியார் அழகம்பெருமாள் என்று கிட்டத்தட்ட அனைவரின் நடிப்புமே அப்படித் தான்.
தற்கொலைக்கு முன் கடிதம் எழுதி வைப்பது ஒரு சடங்கு என்று தொடங்கி கலக்கம் தரும் வசனம் படம் நெடுக. இவ்வள்வு சிறப்பான வசனங்களுடன் தமிழ் படம் பார்த்து பல நாட்கள் ஆகிவிட்டது. என் கணக்குப்படி மூன்றரை வருடங்கள் :P
வசனம் பேசி மாய்வதுதான் நாம் எப்போதும் செய்வதாயிற்றே, படிமங்கள். இதோ ஒரு அரிசி பதம் : சாக்பீஸோ விபூதியோ ஏறி எப்போதும் வெள்ளையாக இருக்கும் விரல்நுனியை வைத்து வாத்தியார் சடலத்தை அடையாளம் கண்டுகொண்டுள்கிறான் பிரபாகர்.
காண்பிப்பதுவே கலைஞனின் வேலை நியாயப்படுத்துவது அல்ல என்பதை கெட்டியாக பிடித்துக்கொண்டிருக்கிறார் இயக்குனர் ராம். நியாயம் என்று நாம் கருதுபவற்றில் இருந்து ஒருவன் விலகிவிட்டதாலேயே அவன் வலி பொய்யாகிவிடுவதில்லை. ஒருவனைப் புரிந்துகொள்ள, குறைந்தபட்சம் உணர்ந்துகொள்ள, அவன் தர்க்கங்களை ஒத்துக்கொள்ள வேண்டிய அவசியம் இல்லை. இதையும், நம்மிடையே விடையில்லா கேள்விகள் உண்டு என்பதையும் ஒத்துக்கொள்ள முடியுமென்றால் இந்த படத்தை அவசியம் பாருங்கள். குறைகள் பெரிதாக தெரியாது.
இந்தப் பதிவு விமர்சனமாக அமையவில்லை. ஒரு நல்ல படத்தைப் பார்த்த உடன் தோன்றும் (எழுதப்படும்) கருத்துக்கள் அநேகமாக படத்தைப் பற்றி இருக்காது. அது நம்மேல் ஏற்படுத்தும் தாக்கத்தைப் பற்றியே இருக்கும். இந்த பதிவு அப்படி அமைந்துவிட்டது என்பதே இந்த திரைப்படத்தின் விமர்சனமாக எடுத்துக் கொள்ளலாம்.
நிறைவு வர மேலும் கொஞ்சம் அசை போட வேண்டும். இப்போதைக்கு இவ்வளவு.
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From: thilak4life
on 14th October 2007 11:42 PM
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PR, You reflect my thoughts. Although it wouldn't surprise me if the critics bash it for its obscurity.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 15th October 2007 05:54 AM
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Thanks for your comments PR
I had almost decided to give this film a miss before listening to that Ilaiyaan song and then reading this post.
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From: Nerd
on 15th October 2007 06:59 AM
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AV has given 42 marks
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From: joe
on 15th October 2007 02:21 PM
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PR,
'கற்றது தமிழ்' எப்படி இருக்குமோ தெரியவில்லை .ஆனால் இங்கே உங்கள் தமிழ் நடையும் அதன் ஆழமும் அசர வைக்கிறது
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From: joe
on 15th October 2007 02:24 PM
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CR,
Singapore-la padam oduthaappa?
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From: Roshan
on 15th October 2007 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Thanks for your comments PR
I had almost decided to give this film a miss
Same here
before listening to that Ilaiyaan song and then reading this post.
I have not listened to the IR song. Yet a song alone would not be enough to make me watch a movie. Prabhu write up padichathum, padam konjam over serious-a, innumoru uNarchi suraNdalA irukkumOnnu thOnuthu. Usually such "Unarchi Surandals" are not my cup of tea. So itha miss paNNuRathuthAn better-nu enakku thOnuthu. Sorry Prabhu
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From: MrJudge
on 15th October 2007 11:30 PM
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Two negative reviews so far, one from AV and another one from The Hindu, surprisingly Kumudam has praised it. Sun has given 5th/6th spot in top10 program and they have placed the song at the same spot below Malaikkottai, Marutha malai and Pasupathi songs.
I think Katrathu Tamizh is a milestone in tamil film industry, be it screenplay, acting and music, it is a step ahead for a tamil movie and it will be for sometime. Adult people should watch this kind of movies atleast once, so that new experiments will take place and all just glittering-outside-hyped-up-movie-makers will fade away from tamil industry. Director Ram is a director to watch out for.
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From: rocketboy
on 16th October 2007 01:09 AM
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Forget these guys Judge. We know what they are made of . They will only suck up to guys like Saturn Rathnam and Gautham Menon , the most hyped directors in Kollywood. The film didn't go well with many of the guys working in the IT sector . These people represent only a small percentage of the population. But sadly they are the most vocal . Now since they feel they are being targeted we can see a spurt in negative reviews. For me its a personal triumph. I have been lamenting the uneven economic growth in our country for quite some time. This is a must watch movie for all socially conscious people. I love the movie for the way it has been made as well as the message it delivers. And least of all reasons, it is better than most of Saturn Rathnam's creations.
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From: P_R
on 16th October 2007 09:02 AM
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Thanks Joe,CR.
The logical approach to the core issue is pretty juvenile. Downright silly IMO. There are several embarrassingly naive sequences. So if you go expecting a thorough analysis and worse still 'solution', you will be sorely disappointed.
Issues are not the focus of the film (or for that matter any good art-form IMO). What is very impressive is the outstanding presentation which takes the viewer very close to the story and its people.
Originally Posted by
Roshan
So itha miss paNNuRathuthAn better-nu enakku thOnuthu. Sorry Prabhu
Ah ! Then I guess I am the one who should be sorry Roshan :P
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From: MADDY
on 16th October 2007 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by
rocketboy
Forget these guys Judge. We know what they are made of . They will only suck up to guys like Saturn Rathnam and Gautham Menon , the most hyped directors in Kollywood. The film didn't go well with many of the guys working in the IT sector . These people represent only a small percentage of the population. But sadly they are the most vocal . Now since they feel they are being targeted we can see a spurt in negative reviews. For me its a personal triumph. I have been lamenting the uneven economic growth in our country for quite some time. This is a must watch movie for all socially conscious people. I love the movie for the way it has been made as well as the message it delivers. And least of all reasons, it is better than most of Saturn Rathnam's creations.
though i belong to IT, i & many from IT realise the dangers of uneven growth in India
.........but killing people is not the solution
.......i know, i know, director is not giving any solutions, he is just making a film..........but how does it justify the scene where he kills a couple in the beach just becos he doesent have a GF
...........what mesg does he want to convey here???
give some technical credibility to movie, we can accept, if u say movie has good message then
......
also, stop talking abt. Maniratnam here
.....if thamizh M.A gets a bad review , what can Mani do ???
.......come on, guys, lets be more sensible in venting out our disappointments
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From: thilak4life
on 16th October 2007 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Thanks Joe,CR.
The logical approach to the core issue is pretty juvenile. Downright silly IMO. There are several embarrassingly naive sequences.
That's dealt in your post quite rightly with,
Issues are not the focus of the film (or for that matter any good art-form IMO). What is very impressive is the outstanding presentation which takes the viewer very close to the story and its people.
Moreover, this is the criticism one has with Mani Ratnam. He often has laughable naive sequences presented well, and almost cons the audience, like say the "Bombay" sequence, or Yuva" for that matter. None of these films provide a solution, and the approach is cinematic, albeit juvenile and naive at times. But that shouldn't take away the finer points and aspects of the film.
Moreover, the film fully explore the protagonist's condition to present itself, and hence, it doesn't take itself 'seriously'. But it just offers one such narrative with the writer's thoughts penned and brought out through his 'fictional' characters. A lover of 'art' should lap this up with ease. Because, like Mani (or Mahendran or Balu mahendra), it's non-judgmental for the most part...
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From: thilak4life
on 16th October 2007 11:04 AM
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A lover of cinema shouldn't criticize and rebuke Mani rathnam. If one has to nitpick something which a filmmaker never intends to do, it would only end up in bashing the filmmaker...
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From: joe
on 16th October 2007 11:10 AM
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From: MrJudge
on 16th October 2007 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
rocketboy
Forget these guys Judge. We know what they are made of . They will only suck up to guys like Saturn Rathnam and Gautham Menon , the most hyped directors in Kollywood. The film didn't go well with many of the guys working in the IT sector . These people represent only a small percentage of the population. But sadly they are the most vocal . Now since they feel they are being targeted we can see a spurt in negative reviews. For me its a personal triumph. I have been lamenting the uneven economic growth in our country for quite some time. This is a must watch movie for all socially conscious people. I love the movie for the way it has been made as well as the message it delivers. And least of all reasons, it is better than most of Saturn Rathnam's creations.
I am a CS graduate and I belong to the IT industry. I don't feel offended when watched the movie, because it is a known fact that IT boom brings/brought imbalance to the society. This imbalance obviously brings other issues to it and like Prabhakar says we don't have answers for them. The governments should bring up the levels of other sectors too, then only India truly shines. If we put materialistic world aside, people who are involved in language-oriented profession (like writers/ teachers) always have a love for life. They enjoy the world better than other people as I have observed them personally. The role played by Azhagam Perumal exactly portrays their character.
When this movie was started, the reports said that it is about a guy who struggles in his life because of his tamil studies. I thought this one was going to be like a documentry film from the beginning to end. To my surprise, it was only in the backdrop and moved around with his other problems. That is what put this movie apart from other movies and the director from other movie makers. When so-called national directors do the opposite and succumb to commerial elements, he just stuck with his guts and delivered one serious film. Though we need to see what he does in his next project, I can put him in the list of Mahendran, Balu mahendra for the time being.
Dig:
Mani's films are like Ishwarya Rai. She looks good but there is no life in her acting. OTOH, take Shoba, though her looks was ok, she brought life to the characters she played. We need more Shobas not Ishwarya Rais.
End Dig
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From: dell_gt
on 17th October 2007 07:44 AM
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saw the movie yest.... i love the movie... jeeva good performance... and the story also nice... very diff movie... yuvan superb.... great movie go ahead n enjoy....
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From: P_R
on 17th October 2007 08:53 AM
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In the Grove/Beach
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
None of these films provide a solution,
Oh no. Impossibly naive 'solutions' were offered in Roja,Bombay etc. He got more open ended (and thus more interesting) in Dil Se and KM.
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
it just offers one such narrative with the writer's thoughts penned and brought out through his 'fictional' characters
Originally Posted by
MADDY
but how does it justify the scene where he kills a couple in the beach just becos he doesent have a GF
Don't even bother justifying.
In Kurosawa's film Rashomon, the bandit Tajomaru confesses to his crime where he is charged of assaulting a woman. When he recalls the 'crime', we see him lying in the shade of a tree half-asleep as the woman passes by on a horse. A gentle breeze passes that movs her veil and slightly exposes her leg and also wakes him up from his half-sleep.
The bandit recounts that, had that breeze not been there, nothing would have happened that day.
It is an awesome line. There is no agreeing-disagreeing with this line. Once we start questioning the factuality of the statement the beauty is lost.
I found the line spoken by Prabhakar in this context, pretty similar to Tajomaru's (perhaps the director is a Kurosawa fan). When he recounts the beach murders he says:
"annikku vazhakkaththai vida veyyil reNdu degree adhigamA adichadhu.............rendu degree adhigamA veyyil adichadhukku naanaa saar kaaraNam ?"
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From: Roshan
on 17th October 2007 09:52 AM
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Re: In the Grove/Beach
Originally Posted by
MADDY
but how does it justify the scene where he kills a couple in the beach just becos he doesent have a GF
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
"annikku vazhakkaththai vida veyyil reNdu degree adhigamA adichadhu.............rendu degree adhigamA veyyil adichadhukku naanaa saar kaaraNam ?"
Prabhu,
I have not seen the movie so I assume both Maddy and you are mentioning about the same scene as quoted above. I am a bit confused here. How does this particular character justify the act? Is it because he doesn't have a girl friend or because of the rendu degree athiga veyyil? If it is the first then it's absurd by all means and if it is the latter, given the context I can understand. If both then "aaLa vidunga sAmi"-nu pOyittE irukka vEndiyathuthAn :P
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From: thilak4life
on 17th October 2007 11:21 AM
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Impossibly naive 'solutions' were offered in Roja,Bombay etc.
That is why I didn't take the solutions seriously at all. And they were just anecdotal to the fictional characters, and not much to the issue at hand. Again, Dil Se and KM were anecdotal, and a narrative with a microcosm and not in 'entirety'.
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From: thilak4life
on 17th October 2007 11:26 AM
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Maddy, Roshan:
What PRabhu suggests is the 'unreliable narrator' here makes a 'caricature' of everything, and the narration is wonderfully 'conceived', which could be 'fictional' for all we know. The bandit in Rashomon is a parralel to Prabhakar (Who is again morally deranged by instinct), a well picked example of a parallel dialog/scene from Rashomon, that Prabhu cites. Im both the cases, the 'eccentricity' is visible, the scene/narration doesn't warrant plausibility at all. But the narration itself is well thought out, and well conceived in this film (at least IMO)
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From: thilak4life
on 17th October 2007 11:28 AM
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My suggestion: Don't get moral on a character such as this one...
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From: Roshan
on 17th October 2007 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
1. Im both the cases, the 'eccentricity' is visible, the scene/narration doesn't warrant plausibility at all. But the narration itself is well thought out, and well conceived in this film (at least IMO)
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Don't get moral on a character such as this one...
That sums the whole thing up I guess. Thanks Thilak
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From: Cinefan
on 17th October 2007 01:06 PM
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Interesting discussions but since I have not seen the movie,would not be in a position to take part.
But one thing I fail to undestand is why Mani has been brought into this discussion.
What is the need to compare every guy who makes 1/2 good/brilliant films to Mani&say this new guy is a better director.
Mr.Judge&others-you don't like Mani's creations,so be it.You are welcome to take part in any discussions revolving around him&his films but keep him away when talking about others.A humble request.Hope it's taken in the right spirit.
Will get back to this thread after I get to watch 'Katrathu Tamil'.
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 03:53 PM
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Kattradhu tamil is receiving several criticisms for its content
Originally Posted by
MADDY
but how does it justify the scene where he kills a couple in the beach just becos he doesent have a GF
Is it ?
Have u seen the film ?
Eager to know your perception on the film
saw the song that doped Jeeva sings. :P
Director yaaroda assistant ? :P
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From: MrJudge
on 17th October 2007 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Director yaaroda assistant ? :P
yaaroda assistantum illai, but he learnt film making from Balu Mahendra.
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Director yaaroda assistant ? :P
yaaroda assistantum illai, but he learnt film making from Balu Mahendra.
Haven't seen the film yet. But could figure out "Bala" in that dope song
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From: MrJudge
on 17th October 2007 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Cinefan
But one thing I fail to undestand is why Mani has been brought into this discussion.
Because MADDY brought his films' names (in a praising manner) into this thread while writing about the director's generation. And I know him knowing very little of good tamil cinema. I will never forget his comments about soft spoken tamil characters
Originally Posted by
Cinefan
What is the need to compare every guy who makes 1/2 good/brilliant films to Mani&say this new guy is a better director.
Well, Mr Mani has given only 1/2 good movies in his whole career. Whenever an upcoming director comes with an excellent movie, these guys will come and whine about something. Instead of appreciating their honest efforts, always put them down.
Originally Posted by
Cinefan
Mr.Judge&others-you don't like Mani's creations,so be it.You are welcome to take part in any discussions revolving around him&his films
I don't think I can do that. The last movie I saw was bombay and that's it. I don't watch his movies anymore and I don't think I will
I took your points in the right attitude, so lets get back to the topic.
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From: ThalaNass
on 17th October 2007 05:15 PM
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saw da film... didnt like d film, or should i say i didnt understand the story....
but the ending was very touching... nice camera work..!! Music was awesome!!
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Because MADDY brought his films' names (in a praising manner) into this thread while writing about the director's generation.
And I know him knowing very little of good tamil cinema. I will never forget his comments about soft spoken tamil characters
If I am not wrong, MADDY has indeed praised directors like Bharathi Raja many times.
btw in that post he also quoted Mannan. Why are you picking up Roja alone? I dont think he would have glorified P Vasu there
Do u think people appreciating movies like Katradhu thamiz and bashing movies like Roja, Dil se etc are the ones who have enough knowledge on good tamil cinema
P.S: He has praised "Sethu" many times AFAIK
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From: MrJudge
on 17th October 2007 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Haven't seen the film yet. But could figure out "Bala" in that dope song
Yeah, it has Bala's touch. I guess there will be doping scenes in Naan Kadavul too.
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Haven't seen the film yet. But could figure out "Bala" in that dope song
Yeah, it has Bala's touch. I guess there will be
doping scenes in Naan Kadavul too.
I think Bala loves this concept more. Villan (Nanda) consumes that. Villan in Pithamagan produces that. So, I think the hero in NK will be a
producer and consumer with enough synchronization b/w the two
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 05:35 PM
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and I read the hindu review on the movie
I have hardly seen Malathi RAngaRajan criticizing a movie.
Is it that bad
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From: ajaybaskar
on 17th October 2007 05:35 PM
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Tamizh MA is a good attempt but its nowhere near to a good film. The presentation is worse. Jeeva and karunas have done a good job. The highlight of the movie is YSR's music, particularly the bgm part.
A very thrilling movie though.....coz there were only 10 ppl in the theatre....
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From: thilak4life
on 17th October 2007 05:40 PM
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Malathi Rangarajan's so-called review is not worth it, it has a set of assertive statements with no proper thought from what the film suggests. OVerall, an insipid write-up from her...
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From: thilak4life
on 17th October 2007 05:40 PM
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Malathi Rangarajan's so-called review is not worth it, it has a set of assertive statements with no proper thought from what the film suggests. OVerall, an insipid write-up from her...
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From: MrJudge
on 17th October 2007 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
btw in that post he also quoted Mannan.
I think he mentioned Punnagai Mannan not Mannan.
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Why are you picking up Roja alone?
When he was giving four examples of some good cinema, he has given 2 Mani films out of 4. How can I not pick that??
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Do u think people appreciating movies like Katradhu thamiz and bashing movies like Roja, Dil se etc are the ones who have enough knowledge on good tamil cinema
I did not say that. I knew MADDY from the beginning when he came to this forum (he may have improved now
), so it is meant for him only.
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From: MrJudge
on 17th October 2007 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
and I read the hindu review on the movie
I have hardly seen Malathi RAngaRajan criticizing a movie.
Is it that bad
For her, there are other movies available in the market, Malaikottai/Marutha malai/Pasupathy etc. Please get her tickets to these kind of movies, she will be entertained.
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From: Roshan
on 17th October 2007 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Haven't seen the film yet. But could figure out "Bala" in that dope song
Yeah, it has Bala's touch. I guess there will be doping scenes in Naan Kadavul too.
Oh! Bala Touch-A ?
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From: Nerd
on 17th October 2007 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
A very thrilling movie though.....coz there were only 10 ppl in the theatre....
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 17th October 2007 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Haven't seen the film yet. But could figure out "Bala" in that dope song
Yeah, it has Bala's touch. I guess there will be
doping scenes in Naan Kadavul too.
I think Bala loves this concept more. Villan (Nanda) consumes that. Villan in Pithamagan produces that. So, I think the hero in NK will be a
producer and consumer with enough synchronization b/w the two
before being an assistant to balu mahendra, Bala & Ameer together used to consume ganja - engo padithadhu.... either in Bala or ameer's interview
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
and I read the hindu review on the movie
I have hardly seen Malathi RAngaRajan criticizing a movie.
Is it that bad
For her, there are other movies available in the market, Malaikottai/Marutha malai/Pasupathy etc. Please get her tickets to these kind of movies, she will be entertained.
Problem is : she hasn't criticized many movies. she hasnt failed to criticise good movies in the past. So her review for this movie surprised me a bit.
and I think she knows very well on how to get the tickets
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From: Sanjeevi
on 17th October 2007 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
A very thrilling movie though.....coz there were only 10 ppl in the theatre....
I think, the movie does not go well with audience because of director's over smart.
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From: selvakumar
on 17th October 2007 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
Originally Posted by
Nerd
Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
A very thrilling movie though.....coz there were only 10 ppl in the theatre....
I think, the movie does not go well with audience because of
director's over smart.
Puriyalayae
Have u seen the movie
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From: MADDY
on 17th October 2007 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
btw in that post he also quoted Mannan.
I think he mentioned Punnagai Mannan not Mannan.
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Why are you picking up Roja alone?
When he was giving four examples of some good cinema, he has given 2 Mani films out of 4. How can I not pick that??
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Do u think people appreciating movies like Katradhu thamiz and bashing movies like Roja, Dil se etc are the ones who have enough knowledge on good tamil cinema
I did not say that. I knew MADDY from the beginning when he came to this forum (he may have improved now
), so it is meant for him only.
Judge, please banish ur stupid idea that watching mahendran/BM movies is superior and watching Mani's movies are inferior.....come on grow up...........first of all u r totally wrong in comparing these 2 -they are of diff. genres - for me, Mani is a commercial director - got it???
if u like Thamizh MA fine - leave it - dont blabber abt my personal likings and Maniratnam unneccessarily
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From: thilak4life
on 17th October 2007 09:50 PM
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Who said that Mahendran and Balu mahendra are not Commercial?
Almost every tamil film is commercial. Very rare exceptions: Anda naal, Veedu, Pushpak, Iruvar (the songs here are not implausible), Kuruthipunal - These are the only films from Tamil cinema that could be arguably considered as non-commercial. Although "Iruvar" is a weak case to argue on..
There is no 'parallel cinema' here (like Adoor or kasarvalli). Only 'mainstream' - which could be either classified as banal or detailed (sensible)...
I prefer Mani over KB or Bharathiraja...(I know that I am contradicting my earlier views, but hey, thats "my" view). And, also Mani is better than Mahendran and Balu Mahendra in many aspects. So, Maddy is not alone here..
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From: MADDY
on 18th October 2007 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Who said that Mahendran and Balu mahendra are not Commercial?
Almost every tamil film is commercial. Very rare exceptions: Anda naal, Veedu, Pushpak, Iruvar (the songs here are not implausible), Kuruthipunal - These are the only films from Tamil cinema that could be arguably considered as non-commercial. Although "Iruvar" is a weak case to argue on..
There is no 'parallel cinema' here (like Adoor or kasarvalli). Only 'mainstream' - which could be either classified as banal or detailed (sensible)...
I prefer Mani over KB or Bharathiraja...(I know that I am contradicting my earlier views, but hey, thats "my" view). And, also Mani is better than Mahendran and Balu Mahendra in many aspects. So, Maddy is not alone here..
naan kaanbadhu kanava/nenava??
u r rite thilak, most tamil movies are commercial.........for me, Mani is a director who gives commercial movies with great asthecity.......Mahendran is someone who has made movies with much more meaning/strong characterisation and covered finer details of direction - after all, he is the inspiration to 2 of most successful directors in India
.......
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From: thilak4life
on 18th October 2007 12:52 AM
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Maddy. I didn't look for a gift horse in the mouth or for brownie points for that matter. Mine was in context of what I decipher from their respective oeuvres. I certainly regard Mani higher than what I used to, because, I find Mani to be more visually driven than content, but come to think of it, no one could present the 'content' in far superior fashion(read elitist or glossy) like Mani does. Of course, he doesn't balance his act like a Kamal does, but he is still a class act in himself.
after all, he is the inspiration to 2 of most successful directors in India
I assume, you meant Mani ratnam who comes from Mahendran's school of filmmaking! But who is the other director?
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From: thilak4life
on 18th October 2007 01:14 AM
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Mahendran is someone who has made movies with much more meaning/strong characterization and covered finer details of direction
No disputing that. But Mani's characters are more obscure(and in the process, more exciting) due to the lesser judgment and more ambiguous take. For example, If it was Mahendran, he would have made Velu naicker look as refined and subtle, but a downright immoral don. Mani's was more ambiguous and you don't end up making immediate judgments. This is where a Vijayan in "Udhiri pookal" comes into the picture, unlike Mani who maintains the fine balance of refinement and details, Mahendran opts for more transparency in that character. While Mani's films has been different. Be it Velu Naicker from Nayakan or Anandhan from Iruvar, it's always been open for the viewer's disposal. I regard him high for this quality, which most of the other directors lack...
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From: kannannn
on 18th October 2007 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
No disputing that. But Mani's characters are more obscure(and in the process, more exciting) due to the lesser judgment and more ambiguous take. For example, If it was Mahendran, he would have made Velu naicker look as refined and subtle, but a downright immoral don. Mani's was more ambiguous and you don't end up making immediate judgments. This is where a Vijayan in "Udhiri pookal" comes into the picture, unlike Mani who maintains the fine balance of refinement and details, Mahendran opts for more transparency in that character. While Mani's films has been different. Be it Velu Naicker from Nayakan or Anandhan from Iruvar, it's always been open for the viewer's disposal. I regard him high for this quality, which most of the other directors lack...
Aahaa!! Rendum vera vera. Nayagan would have lost its shine had Velu Nayakkar been unidimensional. The converse holds true for 'Udhiri Pookal'. Mahendran ranks high in my books precisely for the meticulous characterisations in his movies. How about Kali for ambiguity? Or Johnny? IMO, It all boils down to the needs of the story. And a good director is one who can exploit such needs.
Edho ennala mudinja digression
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From: thilak4life
on 18th October 2007 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by
kannannn
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
No disputing that. But Mani's characters are more obscure(and in the process, more exciting) due to the lesser judgment and more ambiguous take. For example, If it was Mahendran, he would have made Velu naicker look as refined and subtle, but a downright immoral don. Mani's was more ambiguous and you don't end up making immediate judgments. This is where a Vijayan in "Udhiri pookal" comes into the picture, unlike Mani who maintains the fine balance of refinement and details, Mahendran opts for more transparency in that character. While Mani's films has been different. Be it Velu Naicker from Nayakan or Anandhan from Iruvar, it's always been open for the viewer's disposal. I regard him high for this quality, which most of the other directors lack...
Aahaa!! Rendum vera vera. Nayagan would have lost its shine had Velu Nayakkar been unidimensional. The converse holds true for 'Udhiri Pookal'. Mahendran ranks high in my books precisely for the meticulous characterisations in his movies. How about Kali for ambiguity? Or Johnny? IMO, It all boils down to the needs of the story. And a good director is one who can exploit such needs.
Edho ennala mudinja digression
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Kali isn't ambiguous in 'entirety'. Same holds good for Johnny. They are far less complicated than Anandhan or Velu Naicker or even Gurukant. These characters are sketched through different events (only the important ones are juxtaposed) throughout their lives. A fictional biopic in quality, about three complex protagonists who are quite rightly, 'the master of the game', but do they play the rules right?
This is not the case with any of the Mahendran films, that should probably work as a disadvantage in the less-ambiguity(if thats a better word). In any case, I would be very sad if there was only 'one such' take was to exist. It's exciting to see a Mani characterization as much as Mahendran's. - That was my point..
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From: thilak4life
on 18th October 2007 01:45 AM
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Edho ennala mudinja digression
If that was not to be there, Hub wouldn't be half as exciting.
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From: kannannn
on 18th October 2007 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Kali isn't ambiguous in 'entirety'. Same holds good for Johnny. They are far less complicated than Anandhan or Velu Naicker or even Gurukant. These characters are sketched through different events (only the important ones are juxtaposed) throughout their lives. A fictional biopic in quality, about three complex protagonists who are quite rightly, 'the master of the game', but do they play the rules right?
I agree. But, why? The answer is right there in what you wrote: fictional biopic. So, finally the story demands the complexity of the characters. Could Mani create the same complexity in a Mouna Ragam or an Agni Natchatiram?
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Edho ennala mudinja digression
If that was not to be there, Hub wouldn't be half as exciting.
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From: MADDY
on 18th October 2007 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Maddy. I didn't look for a gift horse in the mouth or for brownie points for that matter. Mine was in context of what I decipher from their respective oeuvres. I certainly regard Mani higher than what I used to, because, I find Mani to be more visually driven than content, but come to think of it, no one could present the 'content' in far superior fashion(read elitist or glossy) like Mani does. Of course, he doesn't balance his act like a Kamal does, but he is still a class act in himself.
after all, he is the inspiration to 2 of most successful directors in India
I assume, you meant Mani ratnam who comes from Mahendran's school of filmmaking! But who is the other director?
avar pera sonna, Hub-ae kondhalachhidum
......i'll PM u
super discussions - kannan and Thilak
...........yes, characterisations have never been strength of Maniratnam - revathy dances in rain after her boyfrnds' death in mouna raagam
........we can see terrorists with mercy in Mani's movies only
.....his strength always has been presenting out-of-ordinary themes in a visual explosion and settlng to a middle stand in them........after all people like escapist/unreal solutions isnt it??.........he beats mahendran left/right in this aspect - compare Roja (terrorism) to Mullum malarum(annan-thangachi movie), Mani's range is huge
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 18th October 2007 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
its Electionsssssssss time folks.....
Maddy! enna nadakkuthu chennaila ?!!
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From: thilak4life
on 18th October 2007 10:49 AM
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Could Mani create the same complexity in a Mouna Ragam or an Agni Natchatiram?
The police inspector is one such example. The bad guy in AN is another. You are right that this arises only if the theme has a scope. But even in these two films, these guys aren't portrayed as all-black or all-white, there is a grey area in both the cases. Revathy looks to be a self-indulgent lady, the kid in Kannathil muthamital is another self-centered brat - although they aren't 'ambiguous' so to speak of. However, I agree that Mani's advantage has been his versatile themes and different narratives, without sticking to just Tamil people in Tamil land, but the Tamilians who are either interesting by themselves(with biopics), or complex by relationship or complexity in different paradigms and backdrops, be it Srilanka or Kashmir - no doubting that Roja, and Bombay are weaker films. Even "Yuva" was prettly lame and sensational. That said, I find Mani to be as interesting as Vishal baradwaj or Mahesh bhatt(the old one..not the new businessman) for complexity in their characters. Mani's is of course in a Mahendran mould, but the obscurity has been something thats unique due to his 'themes' (as with the biopics)
Neenga enna solringa. Don't you find Mani an exciting director or not?
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From: MrJudge
on 18th October 2007 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Problem is : she hasn't criticized many movies.
That might be the problem, which she should suppose to do. I don't read her reivews. Does she praise every junk that kollywood churns out?
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
she hasnt failed to criticise good movies in the past.
I don't understand your comment, she criticised or praised??
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From: kannannn
on 18th October 2007 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Neenga enna solringa. Don't you find Mani an exciting director or not?
I have never been able to appreciate a MR movie after Nayagan and Mouna Ragam. But seeing the support he enjoys in the hub, I am veering to the possibility that it is just me. Perhaps I am missing something..
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 18th October 2007 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
avar pera sonna, Hub-ae kondhalachhidum
......i'll PM u
shankar
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From: thilak4life
on 18th October 2007 08:44 PM
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Kannannn,
Actually I also had the same impression of Post-Nayagan Mani. But as I revisit "Iruvar", "KM", "Dil Se", "Alaipayuthey" - I'm convinced more and more. I don't think Mani has lost it.
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From: MrJudge
on 19th October 2007 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Judge, please banish ur stupid idea that watching mahendran/BM movies is superior and watching Mani's movies are inferior.....come on grow up...........
Come one, you mean to say reading Kumudam is as same reading Ananta Vikatan?? reading Kaalachuvadu is same as reading AV?? There are differences. It depends on your taste and your understanding of the content. Certainly Mahendran/BM movies were above Mani's movies quality wise.
Originally Posted by
MADDY
first of all u r totally wrong in comparing these 2 -they are of diff. genres - for me, Mani is a commercial director - got it???
No, everyone is commercial here but where they are at the ladder is the quesiton. Mani is always below them.
Originally Posted by
MADDY
if u like Thamizh MA fine - leave it - dont blabber abt my personal likings and Maniratnam unneccessarily
Neengaa Mani rathnam pakkaththu veetukkarara?? If you ask me to stop talking about you is fine but why should I stop talking about Mani's flimsy stuff??
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From: MADDY
on 19th October 2007 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Judge, please banish ur stupid idea that watching mahendran/BM movies is superior and watching Mani's movies are inferior.....come on grow up...........
Come one, you mean to say reading Kumudam is as same reading Ananta Vikatan?? reading Kaalachuvadu is same as reading AV?? There are differences. It depends on your taste and your understanding of the content. Certainly Mahendran/BM movies were above Mani's movies quality wise.
Originally Posted by
MADDY
first of all u r totally wrong in comparing these 2 -they are of diff. genres - for me, Mani is a commercial director - got it???
No, everyone is commercial here but where they are at the ladder is the quesiton. Mani is always below them.
Originally Posted by
MADDY
if u like Thamizh MA fine - leave it - dont blabber abt my personal likings and Maniratnam unneccessarily
Neengaa Mani rathnam pakkaththu veetukkarara?? If you ask me to stop talking about you is fine but why should I stop talking about Mani's flimsy stuff??
commercial's films main aim is success - and i if i start abt BO, i can go on for a day abt maniratnam's success stories and i can crush the BM/Mahendran cases
....leave it........enjoy ur thamizh B.A
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From: selvakumar
on 19th October 2007 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
1) I think he mentioned Punnagai Mannan not Mannan.
2) When he was giving four examples of some good cinema, he has given 2 Mani films out of 4. How can I not pick that??
3) I did not say that. I knew MADDY from the beginning when he came to this forum (he may have improved now
), so it is meant for him only.
1) sorry .. I stand corrected. He has also given Nayagan in his list as well. PM is from Bala chandrar.
2) coz he likes Mani RAthnam films. If u can give movies like PV as examples of good cinema, I dont think why he cant give Roja ! As u said it depends on tastes and all. What he meant there was : Kids who watched such movies (the then generation) is producing movies like Katradhu thamiz (econmic disparity etc)
3) Improved !
I think everyone of us blabber here with our own set of perceived assumptions.. Based on the info from others we grow but yet stick to our love and affection towards some stars / mds / movies. I donno what MADDY did back then. But I am sure he wouldn't have been worser than many I see here
coz I hardly see him countering people on their taste unless or otherwise he is extrememly provoked
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From: selvakumar
on 19th October 2007 10:48 AM
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& judge,
I love "Thulluvatho ilamai" a lot. That wont make me a silly guy. I prefer KSR to many other commercial directors.
I love selvaragavan style of love stories these days. I like deva's ganas and vijay love stories as well.
That won't make me as a person who is against good tamil movies
and I love Mani's UYIRAE a lot (slightly more than roja bombay) and I hate Iruvar and AE. But I liked guru.
I love Moondraam pirai a lot.. u cant rule out mani completely
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 19th October 2007 10:53 AM
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from layman's POV, its mani who changed the color and texture of tamil cinema.
also, its he who was added to many of the current upper genx's 'peter' list.and still stays[not his mistake though]
only thing is that we are expecting more frm him and he is yet to deliver an all-group satisfiable cinema. hope he does that soon
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From: selvakumar
on 19th October 2007 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
only thing is that we are expecting more frm him and he is yet to deliver an all-group satisfiable cinema. hope he does that soon
:exacly:
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From: MrJudge
on 19th October 2007 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
commercial's films main aim is success - and i if i start abt BO, i can go on for a day abt maniratnam's success stories and i can crush the BM/Mahendran cases
....leave it........enjoy ur thamizh B.A
Are we talking about commercial success here or quality?? Just to put down those good directors by bringing BO status, we can very well include directors like Perarusu into our discussion who will make Mani bite the dust
Yeah, I enjoyed Katrathu Tamizh very much and watched it twice already and will watch it again.
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From: thilak4life
on 19th October 2007 11:49 AM
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From a more elitist point of view, he is the best (I disagree here from an 'objective' point of view, especially when Kamal is here). But for a cineaste, his films are sophisticated and refined than loud jarring OTT banal stuff we produce. He is not for 'sexploitation', not for contrived themes where you sell 'tragedy' or just blanket people with darker theme irrespective of asininity. His 'canvass' with wonderfully sketched non-judgmental narrative and characterizations has no preachy or spoonfed values. Basically he narrates his story, and moves on. Leaves it obscure for thematic dissection for the viewer.
The 'peter' crowd shout "Mani sir" from rooftop, without understanding his medium, and not fully knowing that he is the man who made 'refined' tamil films. The narrative is more personal to the filmmaker than 'realistic'. If he was to be 'realistic', he would have cut out all forms of 'implausibility' in his works. Be it 'item numbers' or 'herione intro songs'. Although there is a reason why he uses them. (Unlike Wannabes like Gautam)
I hope he doesn't try making a film for B and C center (who already have their icons or stars who supply extra time). Let him do a multiplex-oriented cinema, because we know that an all-group satisfiable cinema is not within his scope (come on, from his dialogues to narrative to everything is too refined for that).
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From: thilak4life
on 19th October 2007 11:54 AM
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Not to forget that Mani was basically an upper middle class MBA guy. Not a jack of all trades like Kamal, this is a part of the "unfair advantage" as revealed by peter Mani (in a good sense) in "Anbudan".
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 19th October 2007 12:24 PM
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tilak, but his agni nakshatram\nayagan et all worked up to good levels, we are expecting something like that. setha pinaal silai vaithu kondaada engalukku viruppamillai, all we are requesting is to kinder our sense and excite us now itlself, like what he did in those above films. even a thalabathy kinda thing is ok.....for that he needn't comedown or compromise from his way of film making
and apart, we dont specifically expect a village subject frm him. and even if he does, that too will be in his standards, a sample can be the village shown in Roja
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From: MADDY
on 19th October 2007 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
MADDY
commercial's films main aim is success - and i if i start abt BO, i can go on for a day abt maniratnam's success stories and i can crush the BM/Mahendran cases
....leave it........enjoy ur thamizh B.A
Are we talking about commercial success here or quality?? Just to put down those good directors by bringing BO status, we can very well include directors like Perarusu into our discussion who will make Mani bite the dust
Yeah, I enjoyed Katrathu Tamizh very much and watched it twice already and will watch it again.
since u have accepted all tamil directors are commercial including BM/Mahendran and Maniratnam, so, what is "quality-commercial" here, judge??? can u define it??? how can we rate commercial directors then??? and how do i need to accept ur views here???? u r known for ur extyreme bias-- refusing to accept ARR, the legend, as a good MD for 10 yrs now, just bcos u had a fight with some ARR fan......
FYI, Mani's success rate is more than Perarasu's, so, pls bring some other name.....
........
out of 10 pages of discussion, 6-7 pages are abt Maniratnam - try to stop that Judge - unga thread-la kooda Maniratnam pathhi dhaan pesuraanga......
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From: Roshan
on 19th October 2007 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
If u can give movies like PV as examples of good cinema, I dont think why he cant give Roja ! As u said it depends on tastes and all.
If I remember correct Mr. Judge had highly praised the movie "Periyar" which had full of flaws in all aspects of movie making. And yes, as you say, it depends on taste
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From: Roshan
on 19th October 2007 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
out of 10 pages of discussion, 6-7 pages are abt Maniratnam - try to stop that Judge - unga thread-la kooda Maniratnam pathhi dhaan pesuraanga......
True ! Digression pAthirukkEn aana threadaiyE highjack paNNuRa aLavukku digression ippOthAn pAkuREn
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From: P_R
on 19th October 2007 04:35 PM
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Last few pages, no post on Katradhu Thamizh. IMO there's a lot that can be discussed about the movie. I guess very few people have seen it
Hope the count improves over the weekend.
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From: NOV
on 19th October 2007 05:39 PM
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DISAPPOINTED
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From: MrJudge
on 19th October 2007 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
2) coz he likes Mani RAthnam films. If u can give movies like PV as examples of good cinema, I dont think why he cant give Roja ! As u said it depends on tastes and all. What he meant there was : Kids who watched such movies (the then generation) is producing movies like Katradhu thamiz (econmic disparity etc)
Whatever he said about that generation thing is just an assumption. My counter assumption was those same kids should have watched other movies too, I mean good movies like Veedu, real serious films, not just flimsy stuff. Because to make a film like KT one needs some solid serious thinking even for attempting it. Even after Ram declared himself that he was proud to be called an assistant of BM, he came up with this kind of list. I don't have problem with him liking Mani's films or anybody's films.
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
3) I donno what MADDY did back then.
Well I won't forget that in my life
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From: MrJudge
on 19th October 2007 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
& judge,
I love "Thulluvatho ilamai" a lot. That wont make me a silly guy. I prefer KSR to many other commercial directors.
I love selvaragavan style of love stories these days. I like deva's ganas and vijay love stories as well.
That won't make me as a person who is against good tamil movies
and I love Mani's UYIRAE a lot (slightly more than roja bombay) and I hate Iruvar and AE. But I liked guru.
I love Moondraam pirai a lot.. u cant rule out mani completely
As long as you enjoy the KSR movies is fine, but can you come and say that KSR is the master and he is the best in tamil cinema. There starts the problem.
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From: MADDY
on 19th October 2007 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
3) I donno what MADDY did back then.
Well I won't forget that in my life
wow - dont tell me, i was the reason behind ur continous/relentless hatred on ARR consistently for the past 6 yrs in HUB
.....hey, if i have offended u in any way personally, i really regret that
.....judge, u wud remember the barrage of indecent posts from both IR and ARR camps......andha crossfire-la unga mela yedhavadhu pattuirukkalam en tharapplarndhu......please forget it
.......
ennnala oruthar ARR/Mani-a hate pannuradhu ennala thaanga mudiyadha vishayam
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From: Sanjeevi
on 19th October 2007 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
3) I donno what MADDY did back then.
Well I won't forget that in my life
wow - dont tell me, i was the reason behind ur continous/relentless hatred on ARR consistently for the past 6 yrs in HUB
.....hey, if i have offended u in any way personally, i really regret that
.....judge, u wud remember the barrage of indecent posts from both IR and ARR camps......andha crossfire-la unga mela yedhavadhu pattuirukkalam en tharapplarndhu......please forget it
.......
ennnala oruthar ARR/Mani-a hate pannuradhu ennala thaanga mudiyadha vishayam
Athanal enna
oru nAl vEttukku koopitu keda vetti kuzhampu vachu virundhu koduthA thAnA sariyAgidum
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From: thilak4life
on 19th October 2007 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Last few pages, no post on Katradhu Thamizh. IMO there's a lot that can be discussed about the movie. I guess very few people have seen it
Hope the count improves over the weekend.
Okay, I'll start. The narration could be psychedelic. In the first song, we see Prabhakar smoking weed.
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From: NOV
on 20th October 2007 06:55 PM
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went to coliseum on friday at 6.00 pm to watch this film. not even 10 people, so they cancelled the show.
DISAPPOINTED
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From: crajkumar_be
on 21st October 2007 03:51 PM
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Watched Katradhu Thamizh on Friday night:
Missed the 1st 15 minutes.
All in all, i should say i was disappointed
However, it is definitely a welcome *sign* for Thamizh cinema.
More later...
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From: P_R
on 21st October 2007 08:48 PM
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Huan Chuang - Prabhakar
The Artist is always in a curious relationship with the reader/viewer. He had a mix of conceit and expectation. While appreciation is never unwelcome it is always received with a suspicion that the communication was not complete.
The (typical) viewer is eager to agree/disagree. (And of course everybody loves to be called a victim : some like Marx, some like Fight Club !). Karunas' role is excellent in this film. It seems very much like a study on the artist and the rest of the people in the world !
PuriyirA maadhiri irukku saar....aana puriyalai
is the defining line where Karunas speaks for the audience.
"puriyudhA ?" is a question is posed often to him, but not once does the hero come across as being anxious to be understood at all. We seem to see the artist's conceit (pretty much looking down on upon his readers) at those points. That he considers him unequal to any conversation comes out at clean at one point.:
unnai record panna dhaan kooptEn, advice panna illai
When the "hero" goes on his philosophical tangent he carries the audience along with his murmur:
"aarambichittAn da"
Paul Dirac, who is considered as the founder of quantum physics, once said a simply stunning line:
In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in the case of poetry, it's the exact opposite!
It may have been said with a hint of derision suggesting that the obfuscation in art is intentional. Often it is not. It is the sheer impossibility of being able to get it across.
The viewer get interested when the work of the artist gets close to something he can relate to personally. Some times the viewer does this forcefully by making clumsy attempts to contextualize the work.
"romba correct saar" is one of the most disappointingly bland responses an artist can get. Karunas says that time and again. You see in him ,
our eagerness to either condense, summarize and accept, or logically/pragmatically counterargue and reject. Never ever does he observe without evaluating. (And he wields a camera !!!!!)
At one point he says:
"enakku kudumbam kuzhandhainnu aagi pOchchu.....ungaLukku edhuvum illai, adhu dhaan.... senjitteenga"
That comes as a surprise as someone who comes as pragmatic throughout (a literal foil to the protagonist). Does he seem to really agree with Prabhakar ? Or is he just being an agreeable captive audience ? (couldn't resist that :P) Or is he being swayed by force of what is presented to him ?
Most importantly it shows the artist to be essentially an individual, in the real sense of the term.Those across the table are not. If you have monthly bills to pay there is no way you'd be close to the "freeness" of:
innum Or iravu, innum Or nilavu.
Prabhakar at time seems genuinely interested in conversing. It is absolutely heartfelt when he calls Karunas lucky for receiving several letters when he had received all of three letters in his life.
Prabhakar shares the thoughts of his Maharashtra trip with him. Karunas is obviously unequal to absorbing the lovely relationship Prabhakar has with Anandhi. In a poignant moment, his response is hilariously typical. He gives the typical
love-failure balm kind of response:
"indha ponnungaLE..." By attempting to tell the story to him Prabhakar may have felt the same way when his love-letter was misused. But can the artist help casting his pearls just because someone may chew up his Tajmahal and say "
pthu..pazhaya arisi"
In summation (sheesh this is infectious) it is a very very cleverly written role. It is rare to see the 'typical' made fun of in a poker faced fashion. And that too without being condescending. This alone would deserve a special applause.
btw Karunas' name in the film is Huan Chuang ! Why ? venturing my guess: The traveller who observed all (and recorded all) but actually understood very little of what he was observing.
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From: pavalamani pragasam
on 21st October 2007 09:03 PM
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Pamaran, a sharp critic I greatly admire, has eulogised the film very highly in a weekly. So I think It is a good film.
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From: Roshan
on 21st October 2007 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
pavalamani pragasam
Pamaran, a sharp critic I greatly admire, has eulogised the film very highly in a weekly. So I think It is a good film.
Pamaran, IMO is a "muraNpAdugaLin moottai", like Charu Niveditha, Ra. Parthiban etc.
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From: joe
on 21st October 2007 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
Originally Posted by
pavalamani pragasam
Pamaran, a sharp critic I greatly admire, has eulogised the film very highly in a weekly. So I think It is a good film.
Pamaran, IMO is a "muraNpAdugaLin moottai", like Charu Niveditha, Ra. Parthiban etc.
I would add Sujatha also.
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From: P_R
on 21st October 2007 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Okay, I'll start. The narration could be psychedelic. In the first song, we see Prabhakar smoking weed.
By "could be", do you mean "could have been" ? Because it was pretty straight (as against the
time-kku enna aachu sequences in Aalavanthaan). With all the voice-over, first person narrative , there were very few point-of-view kind of projections, which was interesting. Atleast I don't remember any memorable p-o-v sequences. Correct me if I am wrong. Saw it last weekend. This weekend it is already off the night show at INOX,Sathyam
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From: thilak4life
on 21st October 2007 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Okay, I'll start. The narration could be psychedelic. In the first song, we see Prabhakar smoking weed.
By "could be", do you mean "could have been" ? Because it was pretty straight (as against the
time-kku enna aachu sequences in Aalavanthaan). With all the voice-over, first person narrative , there were very few point-of-view kind of projections, which was interesting. Atleast I don't remember any memorable p-o-v sequences. Correct me if I am wrong. Saw it last weekend. This weekend it is already off the night show at INOX,Sathyam
"could have been". In the sense that the man could be on drugs, from the evidence of the song - a drug addict, and hence his narration 'could have been' influenced to some effect. And, "Alavanthaan" isn't a first person narrative but as you said, it's just narrated as it happened, and hence thats not an example. Like say, "Virumandi", where Pasupathy's narrative was fabricated. Prabhakar's narrative could be fabricated at times plus influenced by the drugs to create his own versions too. Like for example, about shooting in the beach, he takes a newspaper from below, and claims that it was the people he shot - remember? I suspect it's another lie...
Although this isn't an OUATIA - where it leaves a strong possibility of the whole narrative being drug-induced fantasy or dream. There too, the film is narrated more directly - the plausibility is maintained like in KT, but there is a possibility of it being chimerical.
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 23rd October 2007 11:42 AM
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"manmadha leelai" padathai JEEVA-vai veithu remake seyya aasai
- k balachander in Ananda vikatan interview
JEEVA
is slowly becoming a director's actor
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From: Sanjeevi
on 24th October 2007 12:51 AM
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my review
“நிஜமாத்தான் சொல்றியா” வாவ் இந்த சின்ன வசனத்தை இயக்குனர் கையாண்டிருக்கும் விதம் பாலசந்தர், பாரதிராஜா, மணிரத்னம் போன்ற சிகரங்களுக்கு இணையாக இருக்கிறது. அதுவும் கடைசி மற்றும் அதற்கு முந்தைய “நிஜமாத்தான் சொல்றியா” மனதைப் பிசைந்தது
read rest http://www.thuligal.com/index.php/ka...amilfilmreview
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From: mareen
on 24th October 2007 04:34 PM
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i want to see this movie.. but its not released here !!!!
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From: Roshan
on 24th October 2007 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
my review
“நிஜமாத்தான் சொல்றியா” வாவ் இந்த சின்ன வசனத்தை இயக்குனர் கையாண்டிருக்கும் விதம் பாலசந்தர், பாரதிராஜா, மணிரத்னம் போன்ற சிகரங்களுக்கு இணையாக இருக்கிறது. அதுவும் கடைசி மற்றும் அதற்கு முந்தைய “நிஜமாத்தான் சொல்றியா” மனதைப் பிசைந்தது
read rest http://www.thuligal.com/index.php/ka...amilfilmreview
I am yet to see the movie, but intha mAthiri edutha eduppil puthuvaravugaLai uchchAniyil yEtri vaithu avargaLmEl sumakka mudiyAtha bArathai yEtri kadaisiyil kANaamal aakkividuvathu thamizhargaLin vazhakkam
Vivek oru padathil sonnathu gnaapagathiRku varugiRathu...
"Yaaravathu puthu player Indian team-la reNdu match-la nallA aadinA avana ellA viLambarathuleyum nadikka vechchu, ozhichu kattuRathula namma aaLunga killaadinga"
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From: Sanjeevi
on 24th October 2007 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
my review
“நிஜமாத்தான் சொல்றியா” வாவ் இந்த சின்ன வசனத்தை இயக்குனர் கையாண்டிருக்கும் விதம் பாலசந்தர், பாரதிராஜா, மணிரத்னம் போன்ற சிகரங்களுக்கு இணையாக இருக்கிறது. அதுவும் கடைசி மற்றும் அதற்கு முந்தைய “நிஜமாத்தான் சொல்றியா” மனதைப் பிசைந்தது
read rest http://www.thuligal.com/index.php/ka...amilfilmreview
I am yet to see the movie, but intha mAthiri edutha eduppil puthuvaravugaLai uchchAniyil yEtri vaithu avargaLmEl sumakka mudiyAtha bArathai yEtri kadaisiyil kANaamal aakkividuvathu thamizhargaLin vazhakkam
Vivek oru padathil sonnathu gnaapagathiRku varugiRathu...
"Yaaravathu puthu player Indian team-la reNdu match-la nallA aadinA avana ellA viLambarathuleyum nadikka vechchu, ozhichu kattuRathula namma aaLunga killaadinga"
Do you know movie does not well in box office, in fact majority tamil people rejected the film. I saw the film at Monday evening show in one of Chennai's famous screen Devi. Fill percentage was only 25%. It is hard to understand your above statement "...uchchAniyil yEtri vaithu...".
If you target people like me
1. I can't elevate a director by just writing a review and even it is not full positive review.
2. I love tennis, football more than cricket.
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From: vasanth2006
on 26th October 2007 12:03 AM
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Intha padam sariya Hit agalainkirathu , oru nalla padangalin rasigan entra muraiyil enakku miga periya varutham.....
this is in the catagory of Veyil, Paruthiveeran, Ch-28.....even this movie is better than the above said movies in quality and film making wise....
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From: rocketboy
on 26th October 2007 08:30 PM
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That it won't do well at BO was all to evident, the day I watched it in theater. Many started getting restless halfway through the movie.
http://movies.sulekha.com/tamil/tham...esh%20elamathi
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From: P_R
on 27th October 2007 11:27 PM
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Rocketboy, is that your review in that link ?
Tried watching the katradhu thamizh "so-called" analysis by SuhAsini in her show in Jaya TV. I usually find her unbearably irritating, but today she outdid herself.
Towards the end of the program she listed out pluses and minuses
Plus: social awareness blah blah
Minus: the movie's hero is a loser
The director Ram, was on the show and walked away with the line of the episode:
Text once written is dead. Now it is for you to react to it.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 28th October 2007 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
but intha mAthiri edutha eduppil puthuvaravugaLai uchchAniyil yEtri vaithu avargaLmEl sumakka mudiyAtha bArathai yEtri kadaisiyil kANaamal aakkividuvathu thamizhargaLin vazhakkam
maybe i wud say that its upto the artist to sustain his success with his talents...u shud also successfully market urself....u shud not be carried away by the temporary limelight u get. always create new stuff which will turn heads towards you...
forex
illayaraja - doesn't know how to market himself but his tunes did that-hardwork and passion for the job. so he has got HIS audience even now
kamal - thoug he doesnt need seperate marketing, he projects himself always inteesting. even he speaks interstingly in functions\interviews where he is not going to get any financial gains...this shows his HIGH INTEREST to be omnipresent in limelight.
rajini - he doesnt know hitech cinematic skills but still he grabs audience in his own way
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From: selvakumar
on 31st October 2007 05:00 PM
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I got this in a farward. Not sure about the source
I havent seen the movie yet. But I saw more or less ||| opinion on the movie.
Any comments from the people who have seen the movie. Is it worth a watch ?
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கற்றது தமிழ் படம் பாக்கலைனாலும் அதை பற்றி படித்த விமர்சனங்கள் மென்பொருள் துறையினரை சாடுவதாக தெரிகிறது. இன்னைக்கு விலைவாசி ஏறனதுக்கு சாப்ட்வேர் இஞ்சினியர்கள் தான் காரணம்னு நிறைய பேர் சொல்லி கேட்டிருக்கேன். ஒரு வகைல அது உண்மையும் கூட. போன தடவை நான் இந்தியா போயிருந்தப்ப என் அண்ணன் (பெரியம்மா பையன்) இதை தான் சொன்னான் (அவன் சாப்ட்வேர் இல்லை).
மெட்ராஸ்ல இருந்து திருச்சி போகறதுக்கு ஏர் பஸ்ல போகலாம்னு போய் விசாரிச்சிருக்கான். ஒரு சீட் தான் இருக்குனு சொல்லியிருக்காங்க. அதே சமயம் ஒரு சாப்ட்வேர் இஞ்சினியரும் அங்க வந்திருக்கான். உடனே பஸ் கண்டக்டர் (ஏர் பஸ்ல இருக்கறவர் பேரு கண்சக்டரா இல்லை க்ளீனரா?) 100 ரூபாய் அதிகமா சொல்லியிருக்கான். உடனே என் அண்ணன் சாதாரண பஸ்ல போனா அந்த 100 ரூபாய்க்கு திருச்சிக்கே போயிடலாம்னு ஏர் பஸ்ல போகாம சாதாரண பஸ்லயே போயிருக்கான். நம்ம ஆளு (சாப்ட்வேர் தான்) நூறு ரூபா அதிகமா செலவு பண்ணி ஏர் பஸ்ல போயிருக்கான்.
இந்த இடத்துல தப்பு யார் மேலனு எனக்கு தெரியல. ஏமாந்தவன் ஒருத்தன் வரான், நூறு ரூபாய் ஏத்தி சொன்னாலும் சேர்த்து வாங்குவானு சொன்ன அந்த பஸ்காரன் மேல ஏங்க யாருமே தப்பு சொல்ல மாட்றீங்க? ஏமாத்தறவனைவிட ஏமாறவன் மேல ஏன் உங்களுக்கு எல்லாம் இந்த கோபம்? யாரும் விருப்பட்டு ஏமாறதில்லைங்க.
பெங்களூர்ல வீட்டு வாடகை ஏறிடுச்சினு எல்லாரும் சாப்ட்வேர் இஞ்சினியரை திட்றாங்க. ஆனா தலைக்கு ரெண்டாயிரம். நாலு பேர் தங்கினா எட்டாயிரம், இன்னொருத்தவன் வந்தா பத்தாயிரம்னு சொல்ற வீட்டு ஓனருங்க மேல ஏன் உங்க கோபம் போகலை? இன்ஃபோஸிஸ் இருபத்தைந்தாம் ஆண்டு விழாக்கு போனஸ்னு தராங்கனு சொன்னவுடனே பெங்களூர்ல வீட்டு வாடகையை ஏத்தனவங்க நிறைய பேர். ஆனா அவுங்க பேப்பர்ல கொடுத்த விளம்பரமும் கைல கொடுத்த காசும் கணக்கு பண்ணா மலைக்கும் மடுவுக்குமுள்ள வித்யாசம்.
இது மட்டுமில்லை. இந்த ஹோட்டல் எல்லாம் அதுக்கு மேல. ஒரு சிக்கன் பிரியாணி அறுபது ரூபாய். சைட் டிஷ் எல்லாம் நூறு நூத்தியிருபது. இப்படி தான். ஒரு ட்ரீட்னு 5 பேரோட போனா ஆயிரத்துல இருந்து இரெண்டாயிரம் வரைக்கும் தாராளமா செலவு ஆகும்.நம்ம ஆளுங்களுக்கு வாரத்துக்கு ஒரு தடவை இப்படி போயாகனும். ஆனா இருபத்தி அஞ்சு ரூபாய்க்கு கொடுத்த ஐட்டத்தையே அறுபது ரூபாய்க்கு ஏத்தனவங்க மேல ஏன் யாருக்குமே கோபம் வரல?
சாப்ட்வேர் இஞ்சினியர் இவ்வளவு சம்பாதிக்கிறானு சொல்றீங்களே. அவன் எவ்வளவு சேமிக்கிறானு யாருக்காவது தெரியுமா? ஒரு கிராமத்துல இருக்குற கவர்மெண்ட் பள்ளிக்கூட ஆசிரியர் சேமிக்கிறதைவிட கொஞ்சம் அதிகமா அவன் சேர்த்து வைக்கலாம். அவ்வளவு தான். அவனோட வாழ்க்கை முறை அவனை அதுக்கு மேல சேமிக்க விடறதில்லை. அதுல அவன் தப்பு எதுவுமில்லைனு நான் சொல்லலை. ஆனா அவன் தப்பு மட்டுமேனு எல்லாரும் சொல்றது தான் கஷ்டமா இருக்கு.
இருபத்தியொரு வயசுல எப்படியோ படிச்சி முடிச்சிட்டு வரான். கேம்பஸ்ல வேலை கிடைச்சா பரவாயில்லை. ஆனா அப்படி கிடைக்கலைனா அந்த வேலை கிடைக்க அவன் படற கஷ்டம் வேற எந்த துறைக்கும் குறைவானதில்லை. அப்படியே கஷ்டப்பட்டு வேலைக்கு போனவுடனே அவன் வாங்கற சம்பளம் அவனுக்கு ஒரு பெருமையையும், தலை கனத்தையும் தருது. நம்ம அப்பா இத்தனை வருஷம் கஷ்டப்பட்டு வாங்கறதைவிட அதிக சம்பளம் வாங்கறோம்னு ஒரு பெருமிதமும் (தெரியாமலே கொஞ்சம் கர்வமும் தானா வந்துடுது) வருது. ஆனா அவனுக்கு அந்த காசோட அருமை அவ்வளவா தெரியாது என்பது தான் உண்மை. அதுவுமில்லாம அந்த வயசும் அப்படி தான். ஜாலியா இருக்கனும். அவ்வளவு தான்.
ஆனா அந்த வயசுக்கே உரிய இரக்க குணமும் அவன்கிட்ட தாராளமா இருக்கும். சுனாமி வந்தப்ப காசை அள்ளிக்கொடுத்தவங்க நிறைய பேர். அதே மாதிரி நிறைய பசங்களுக்கு படிக்க உதவி செஞ்சவங்க நிறைய பேர் இருக்காங்க. நண்பர்களிடமிருந்து இந்த மாதிரி மெயில் வந்தா, அது உண்மைனு தெரிஞ்சா குறைஞ்சது ஆயிரம் ரூபாயாவது யோசிக்காம செய்யறவங்க நிறைய பேர். பத்து பேர் தங்கியிருக்குற இடத்துல ரெண்டு மூணு பேர் வேலைக்கு போனா அடுத்து எல்லாருக்கும் வேலை கிடைக்கிற வரைக்கும் அந்த வேலைக்கு போற மூணு பேர் மொத்த வாடகையையும் சாப்பாட்டு செலவையும் ஏத்துக்குவாங்க. வேலைக்கு சேர்ந்தவுடனே அந்த பசங்க எந்த ஊருக்கு போவாங்கனு யாருக்கும் தெரியாது. இங்கயும் அவன் காசை அதிகமா நேசிக்கறதில்லை.
சாப்ட்வேர் இஞ்சினியருங்க வாங்கற சம்பளமெல்லாம் மொத்தமா ரியல் எஸ்டேட்காரவங்ககிட்டயும், செல் போன் கம்பெனிகளிடமும், ஹோட்டல் ஓனருங்ககிட்ட தான் போய் சேருது. கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சம் தியேட்டர் ஓனருங்ககிட்டயும், ஏர் பஸ்காரங்கட்டயும் போய் சேருது. இன்னைக்கு நம்ம பார்க்கிற ஏற்றத்தாழ்வுக்கு இது தான் முக்கிய காரணம். பணக்காரன் ரொம்ப பெரிய பணக்காரன் ஆகறதுக்கு இது தான் காரணம். இப்படி சாப்ட்வேர் இஞ்சினியருங்ககிட்ட வர பணம் மொத்தமாக வேற ஒரு கும்பலால் பெறப்படுகிறது.
இதை கண்டிப்பா சாப்ட்வேர் மக்களால சரி செய்ய முடியாது. அரசாங்கம் ஏதாவது செஞ்சாதான் உண்டு. நம்ம அரசியல்வாதிகள்ல நிறைய பேருக்கு இதை புரிய வைக்கவே ரொம்ப கஷ்டப்படனும். சரி அதி புத்திசாலிங்களான மன்மோகன் சிங்கும், பா.சிதம்பரமும் இதையெல்லாம் பத்தி ஏதாவது செய்யறாங்களானு தெரியல.
கார், Furnished 3 BHK (Bed Room, Hall, Kitchenஆம்), சிக்கன் பிரியாணி இதையெல்லாம் விட ஒரு டூ-வீலர், அப்பா, அம்மாவோட இருக்குற வீடு, அம்மா கைல சமைச்ச ரசம், துவையல் இதெல்லாம் தாங்க சொர்க்கம். பெரு நகரங்களிலிருக்கும் சாப்ட்வேர் கம்பெனியெல்லாம் கொஞ்சம் சிறு நகரங்களுக்கு கொண்டு வந்து பாதி சம்பளம் கொடுத்தாக்கூட போதும். நம்ம ஆளுங்க எல்லாம் ஓடி வந்துடுவாங்க. அதை விட்டுட்டு நீ எப்படி நாற்பதாயிரம் சம்பாதிக்கலாம்னு சண்டை போடறதோ, புலம்பறதோ சரியில்லைங்க.
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From: pavalamani pragasam
on 31st October 2007 08:32 PM
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From: littlemaster1982
on 31st October 2007 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
I got this in a farward. Not sure about the source
http://vettipaiyal.blogspot.com/2007...g-post_29.html
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 31st October 2007 11:54 PM
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namma naadu thaan vevasthai ketta, vevaram ketta naadachey,
inga lla panakkaaranum kettavan, ellaa ezhaiyum nallavan
ethayume organise pannaatha govermnment mela yaarum kurai sollalai. cinema ticket, manal load, land rate, ithayellaam fix pannura govt en rent\bus ticket ithellaam fix pannurathillai??
airbus ticket athigam thaan, but road mosam, atleast bus nalla irunthaa easyaa thoongalaam, tiredness illai, adutha naal officela ozunga velai paarkalaam...airbusla 30+ seats irukku. ellaarume software enng thaanaa????
India has lots of manpower and low operating costs, thatswhy MNCs flock india. BUT, china is on its rock solid way in learning english. 5 to 10 years they will be on track and biggest competitor to india. small countires like Mexico is emerging..[my past company opened an office in mexico which is now competing india branch]Indian IT Building is strong but basement weakku. ithula ippadi[katrathu thamiz] vera oru prachaniayaa...
India is a mess.
Soon the country will blast badly
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From: crajkumar_be
on 1st November 2007 08:42 AM
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Selva,
IMO, the movie was disappointing, maybe because i went in with a lot of expectations after reading comments from PR - i have to say that while agree with the +ves he has mentioned, to me, the -ves were also not insignificant.
Like he said, the execution was naive and left a lot to be desired during quite a few scenes. And
yet another "sweetheart from childhood" flashback thing didn't help at all (though the sweetheart angle was not the main point of the flashback.
Plus, Jeeva's acting was not bad at all but i felt he went overboard in a few scenes.
What i liked about the movie, on the other hand, has already been well elucidated by PR, Thilak etc...
<Karunas -
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The scenes where Jeeva goes to Maharashtra are my favorite from the movie and IMO the anandhi character (especially in those scenes) is very well written...
PR sonna madhiri, "solution", "practical-a?"ippadiellam kelvigalodu indha padatha pakka avasiyamum thevayum illa...
P.S: Just before (or was it after) the "Paravaye" song, when Jeeva and Anandhi are travelling in the tempo (or share auto) thing,
Anandhi speaks Thamizh for a brief while like a N.I/Telugu... did anyone notice it?
Is it worth a watch? - Yes
<Parents/sisters, sittungaloda padathukku poidadheenga!>
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From: pavalamani pragasam
on 1st November 2007 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by
littlemaster1982
Absolutely stunning discussion!
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From: pavalamani pragasam
on 1st November 2007 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
littlemaster1982
Absolutely stunning & enlightening discussion!
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From: Nerd
on 1st November 2007 09:01 AM
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I have never heard/seen radically different views on a movie from people that I know (includes THE HUB) for a movie before this. All the more reason to watch the movie. Waiting for the DVD/a DVD print in the internet :P
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 09:27 AM
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தமிழ் சினிமாவுக்கு அழிவில்லை - கற்றது தமிழ் இயக்குநருக்கு பாராட்டு விழாவில் பாலுமகேந்த்திரா உருக்கம்
http://pamaran.wordpress.com/2007/10...e%b4%e0%af%8d/
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
I got this in a farward. Not sure about the source
I havent seen the movie yet. But I saw more or less ||| opinion on the movie.
Any comments from the people who have seen the movie. Is it worth a watch ?
I am not buying his arguments. Government cannot control every businesses run by big corporates/individuals in the country. Is it ok if the government put a bracket on salary being paid to IT workers? Will we work for government controlled salary??? I don't think so, same way it is not possible to control other businesses. Our country is still not ready for globalisation, that is the core concept of Katrathu Tamizh. So we need to accept the ground realities of the weaker side.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 1st November 2007 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Our country is still not ready for globalisation, that is the core concept of Katrathu Tamizh.
Maybe Yes, but what has a software engineer got to do for that? what is his mistake???
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From: crajkumar_be
on 1st November 2007 09:36 AM
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<Dig>"nee supply avan demand" - Economics Professor Krishnaswamy, Mahanadhi</Dig>
Selva,
andha blog post la irukkara points-a pathi vivadham pannanumna, engeyo poidum... adhukku pesame we can read Noam Chomsky...
This is the "mistake" (IMO) everybody seems to be doing now - To reduce the whole movie to an IT versus non-IT debate...
The movie's best aspects would still remain IMO even if it were made about religion versus atheism or waking up early versus waking up late debates instead of ITvsnon-IT...
If seen from an anti-globalization angle, you will start looking at practicality, *solution* etc ...
One example where the film is extremely naive and pathetic:
Tamil prof's salary: 2000 INR
S/W programmer (Entry level ) salary: 2,00,000 INR
WTF? I'd like to know which company that is!!
If you wanna talk about globalization etc, one would rather watch "naatukkoru sedhi solla nagariga komali vandhenungo"!
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 09:45 AM
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Padam paakama ethuvum solla koodathu..So I reserve my opinions until this sunday
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From: crajkumar_be
on 1st November 2007 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Padam paakama ethuvum solla koodathu..So I reserve my opinions until this sunday
Oh, innum oditrukka??
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 09:47 AM
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crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
joe
Padam paakama ethuvum solla koodathu..So I reserve my opinions until this sunday
Oh, innum oditrukka??
Yes, Planing for this weekend.
AthukkuLLa thookama irukkanum
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 09:53 AM
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crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
joe
Padam paakama ethuvum solla koodathu..So I reserve my opinions until this sunday
Oh, innum oditrukka??
It is still running in TN and at BO it is at no2 spot after malaikootai
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 09:54 AM
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MrJudge
Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
joe
Padam paakama ethuvum solla koodathu..So I reserve my opinions until this sunday
Oh, innum oditrukka??
It is still running in TN and at BO it is at no2 spot after malaikootai
MrJudge,
Avar kettathu singapore-la
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 10:04 AM
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joe
MrJudge,
Avar kettathu singapore-la
I know.
I just wanted to tell that our TN people are not that bad nowadays and the movie has done a decent performance at BO
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 10:05 AM
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sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Maybe Yes, but what has a software engineer got to do for that? what is his mistake???
There are no definite answers for your questions. That is what told in the movie too.
I think a lot of work has to be done on the government side by raising the living standards of non-IT people. I don't think entry level salary difference between a IT and a non-IT is so much in the US. In India, it is completely different. Government should take steps to improve on that front.
What a Software engineer can do is understand the society better and needs to react according to it instead of living in their own world. If he bargains/competes with non-IT people for anything he has to learn and act like any other normal person, it is a difficult one, isn't it? Because if you have money, that will bring the ego of getting whatever you want at any cost, may be not to everyone but atleast to majority of the people. And last, if someone criticizes his life styles, he needs to take them in the right spirit instead of jumping on them.
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 10:31 AM
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MrJudge
What a Software engineer can do is understand the society better and needs to react according to it instead of living in their own world. If he bargains/competes with non-IT people for anything he has to learn and act like any other normal person, it is a difficult one, isn't it? Because if you have money, that will bring the ego of getting whatever you want at any cost, may be not to everyone but atleast to majority of the people. And last, if someone criticizes his life styles, he needs to take them in the right spirit instead of jumping on them.
I agree on this
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 10:39 AM
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முதலில் கதையை நம்பி களத்தில் இறங்கிய இயக்குநருக்கும், தலைக்கு முக்காடா பரிவட்டமா என எது வந்தாலும் சரி என இறங்கிய தயாரிப்பாளருக்கும் என் வாழ்த்துக்கள்!!!
பிரபாகராகிய ஜீவா தன் சிறு வயது தோழி ஆனந்தியாகிய அஞ்சலிக்கு கடிதத்தின் வாயிலாக தன் தற்கொலை முயற்சியிலிருந்து கதை ஆரம்பமாகிறது. "தமிழ்நாட்டில, தமிழ் படிச்சவன் எப்படி உயிர் வாழ முடியும்? என்ற வசனத்துடன் ஜீவா தன் முகத்தை காட்டுகிறார். தமிழால், தான் விரும்பி படித்த தமிழின் காரணமாக பெரிதாக அடிபட்ட கதை பிளாஷ்பேக்காக விரியும் என பார்த்தால் பொது இடத்தில் சிகரெட் பிடித்த குற்றத்துக்காக போலீஸ் ஸ்டேசன் போகிறார். இன்ஸ்பெக்டரை பெரிய வில்லன் ரேஞ்சுக்கு சித்தரித்து பிரபா செய்த தவறை சிறிதாக காட்டுவது போல் தோன்றுகிறது.
மானம் போனதாக நினைத்து செய்யும் தற்கொலை முயற்சிக்கு திரும்ப போலீஸ் பிடித்துக் கொண்டு போய் கஞ்சா கேஸ் போடும் போது தப்பி ஓடி, பட்டப் பகலில் ரயில்வே ஸ்டேசனில் வைத்து முதல் கொலையை செய்து பிள்ளையார் சுழி போட்டு பின் படபடவென் 22 கொலையை செய்ததாக யுவான் சுவாங் கருணாவிடம் சொல்லி கருணாவை மட்டுமல்ல நம்மையும் சிரிக்க வைக்கிறார்.
பிரபாகரின் சின்ன வயசு பிளாஷ்பேக் ஒரு கவிதை. ஆனந்தி மற்றும் பிரபாகராக வரும் சிறார்களின் குரல் அருமை. "நிஜமாதான் சொல்லறியா?" என ஆனந்தி கேட்கும் போது நல்ல இசையை கேட்ட உணர்ச்சி. ஒளிப்பதிவும் மிக அருமை. பிராபகரின் நாய் கோரமாக ரயிலில் அடிபட்டு சாவதுடன் படத்தில் வரும் கொஞ்ச நஞ்ச சந்தோஷமான காட்சிகளும் முடிந்துவிட்டதாக ஒரு முன் முடிவுக்கு வருவதை தடுக்க முடியவில்லை. அம்மா, தாத்தா மற்றும் பாட்டி ஒரு சாலை விபத்தில் அகால மரணமடைய தமிழ் வாத்தியாரின் அரவணைப்பில் வளரும் பிரபாகருக்கு கொஞ்ச நஞ்ச சந்தோசம் மிச்சமிருக்கும் என நினைத்தால் தமிழ் வாத்தியாரையும் காவு கொடுத்து விட்டு அம்போவென நிற்கும் பிரபாகரின் மேல் பரிதாபம் வருகிறது. தமிழ் படிக்க காலேஜ் சேரும் பிரபாகர், ஆனந்தி முதன் முதலில் வைத்த சுடுநீர் வாங்கி நாக்கில் சூடு வாங்கிக் கொண்டு சேருவது கவிதை!
காலேஜில் தமிழ் பேராசிரியர் மற்றும் மாணவர்கள் மூலம் இயக்குநர் சொல்ல வரும் கருத்து செருப்படி. இன்றைய தமிழின் நிலைமை அதுதான் என்றால் வருத்தம்தான். அடுத்து வரும் மேன்சன் வாசிகளின் தமிழ் படித்தவர்களைப் பற்றிய கருத்து இன்னொரு வாந்தி; சகிக்க முடியவில்லை எனினும் தாங்கித்தான் தீர வேண்டும்.
சாப்ட்வேர் கம்பெனியில் பிரபாகர் நடந்து கொள்ளும் விதம் கொஞ்சம் கூட நம்பும்படி இல்லை. ஒரு தமிழ் படித்தவன் இந்த மாதிரி நாகரீகமில்லாமல் அடுத்தவர் முன்னிலையில் நடப்பது தமிழ் படித்தவர்கள் எல்லாம் அரை லூசுகள் மாதிரி நடந்து கொள்வது; BPO வில் வேலை செய்யும் நபரிடம் தண்ணீயடித்த பிறகு அடிக்கும் லூட்டிகள்; இயக்குநரின் பல சறுக்கல்களில் இதுவும் ஒன்று.
தனக்கு ஒரு பிரச்சினை இருக்கிறது என தெரிந்தும் தெரியாமலும் பிரபாகர் செய்யும் வேலைகளுக்கு தமிழை கவசமாக உபயோகித்திருப்பது இயக்குநரின் இன்னொரு சறுக்கல். "இருபத்தி ஆறு வயசு ஆகுது இன்னும் ஒரு பெண்ணை கூட ஒன்னும் செஞ்சது இல்லை இன்னும் எத்தனை நாட்களுக்குதான் பாத்ரூம்லயே.... அதான் ஜோடியா பீச்சில் உட்கார்ந்து இருந்தவங்களை சுட்டு கொன்னுட்டேன்" என்னும் காரணம் உச்ச கட்டம்.
சாஃப்ட்வேர் கம்பெனிகளின் படையெடுப்பால் வாடகை உயர்வு, நாகரீக தீண்டாமை என பொதுமக்களின் குரல் கொஞ்சம் வீக்கத்துடனே ஒலிக்கிறது. ஒரு கோடிக்கும் மேல் உள்ள ஊரில் ஒரு லட்சம் பேரால் பிரச்சினை என சொல்ல வருகிறார் இயக்குநர்.
எங்கேயோ உடம்பை விற்று பிழைத்துக் கொண்டு தினம் தினம் சாகும் ஆனந்திக்கு ஒரு வெளிச்சத்தைக் காட்டி ஓரே அடியாக சாவை வாங்கி கொடுத்து விட்டானோ பிரபாகர் என நினைக்கத் தோன்றியது.
யவன் சங்கர் இசையில் இசை ஞானி அற்புதமாக பாடியிருக்கிறார். சில இடங்களில் தழுவல், சில இடங்களில் சீறல். நன்றாக செய்திருக்கிறார்.
கற்றது தமிழ்; ஒழுக்கமல்ல.
http://soundparty.blogspot.com/2007/...g-post_31.html
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From: joe
on 1st November 2007 10:53 AM
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இயக்குநர் ராமுடன் ஒரு தொலைபேசி பேட்டி
இயக்குநர் ராம் உடன் புதிய பார்வைக்காக தொலைபேசியில் நடந்த உரையாடல்..........
"ஹலோ ராம்... எப்படியிருக்கீங்க... புதிய பார்வைக்காக கொஞ்ச நேரம் பேசலாமா?"
"பத்து நிமிஷம் போதும் இல்லையா?.. உங்க பேர் என்ன சொன்னீங்க?"
"பரசுராம்"
"ஓ.. பரசுராம்.. கேள்விப்பட்ட மாதிரி இருக்குது. எங்கேயாவது பாத்திருக்கமா?"
"ஆமாம். படம் வெளிவர்றதுக்கு முன்னால, ஒரு ஹோட்டல்ல மதிய சாப்பாட்டுக்குப் பக்கத்தில் பக்கத்தில் உட்கார்ந்திருந்தோம்."
" சரி. கேள்வி கேளுங்க"
"எப்படி இந்தப் படத்தை ஆரம்பிச்சீங்க?"
"எனக்கு வசதியா எந்தப் படம் இருக்குமோ அதைத்தான் என்னால எடுக்க முடியும்."
"எப்படி இருக்கு படத்துக்கு இருக்கற வரவேற்பு"?
"நான் அதைப் பத்தி எல்லாம் கவலைப்படல. படம் எடுத்தாச்சு. அவ்வளவுதான். பாலுமகேந்திரா சார் பாத்துட்டு ஆசியாவிலேயே ஐந்து சிறந்த திரைப்படத்தை வரிசைப்படுத்தினா அதுல கற்றது தமிழ் வரும்னார். அவருக்கு கண் கலங்கிடுச்சு. வண்ணதாசன் இந்த வயசுல என்னைத் தேடி வந்து படத்தைப் பத்தி நிறைய பாராட்டிப் பேசி ஒரு இராத்திரி என்னோடவே தங்கிட்டுப் போனார். சாருநிவேதிதா ஒரு பத்திரிகையில படத்தைப் பத்தி பதினைந்து பக்கம் எழுதியிருக்கிறதா சொன்னார். ஊர் ஊரா கூப்பிட்டுப் பாராட்டறாங்க"
"பத்திரிகை விமர்சனங்களை எல்லாம் பார்த்தீங்களா"
"நீங்க எத்தனை தடவை படம் பார்த்தீங்க?"
"ஒரு தடவை"
"எநதத் தியேட்டர்ல?"
"உதயம்"
"ஒரு நாவலை விமர்சனம் பண்றதுக்கு எத்தனை தடவை படிப்பீங்க?"
"இரண்டு மூன்று தடவை"
"அப்பப் படத்தை மட்டும் ஒரே ஒரு தடவை பாத்திட்டு விமர்சனம் எழுத முடியுமா?"
"கஷ்டம்தான்"
"அதான். பத்திரிகையில வர்றது எல்லாமே வெறும் பதிவுதான். ஒரு தனிநபரால எழுதப்படுகிற பதிவு. என்னை கற்றுக் கொள்ள வைக்கிற விமர்சனம் எதையும் இந்தத் தேதி வரை - இன்னைக்குத் தேதியை குறிச்சுக்கோங்க - வரலை. சில தனிநபர்கள் நேர்ல நான் கத்துக்கற மாதிரி சில விஷயங்கள் சொன்னாங்க. பிரிண்ட்ல இதுவரைக்கும் வந்ததெல்லாம் விமர்சனமே இல்ல."
"ம்.... படம் நீங்க நினைச்சு எடுத்த மாதிரி ரிசீவ் பண்ணப்படுதா?"
"படம் எடுக்கறதுதான் என்னோட வேலை. புரிய வைக்கறதா என்னோட வேலை?"
"எந்த அடிப்படையில் கதாபாத்திரத்தைத் தொடங்க ஆரம்பிக்கிறீங்க?"
"தத்துவத்தின் அடிப்படையில்தான்"
"என்ன தத்துவம்"
"தத்துவத்தை ஒரு வரியில் சொல்ல முடியுமா? சென்னைதான் என் தத்துவம்".
"சென்னையா?"
"ஆமாம். சென்னை என்கிற நகரம்தான். அதற்குள் புறத்திலிருந்து வரும் மாந்தர்கள்தான் என் கதாபாத்திரங்கள். அவர்களின் அக..புறச் சிக்கல்கள், முடிச்சுகள்."
" தமிழ் படிச்சவனோட பிரச்சினையைத்தான் படத்தில் பேசியிருக்கிறதா நிறைய பேச்சு இருக்கு. நீங்க அப்படி நினைச்சு எடுத்தீங்களா?"
"உங்களுக்கு எப்படி தோணுது?"
"எனக்கென்னவோ தமிழ் படிச்சவனோட பிரச்சினையை மட்டுமே பேசற மாதிரி தெரியலை."
"இப்படி ஒவ்வொருத்தருக்கும் ஒவ்வொண்ணு தோணுது. படத்தில் நிறைய sub text வச்சிருக்கேன். அவங்க அவங்களுக்கு என்ன தோணுதோ பேசிக்கட்டும்."
"இந்த ஐ.டி. துறை மேல வச்சிருக்கிற விமர்சனத்துக்கு என்ன ரெஸ்பான்ஸ் வருது?"
"உங்க ஆபிஸ்ல நெட் இருக்கா. இருந்தா கற்றது தமிழ்-னு போடுங்க. ஆயிரக்கணக்குல பேசியிருக்காங்க. படிங்க."
"படம் சுயவிவரிப்புல நடக்குது. ஆனா முடியும் போது நீங்க வந்து... ஒரு மூன்றாவது குரல் - பேசுவது எதற்கு?"
"அப்படி வரக்கூடாதுன்னு எந்த சினிமா மேதை எந்தக் கலைக் கோட்பாடுல பேசியிருக்கார். இருந்தா பேர் சொல்லுங்க. இல்ல இது நீங்களே சொல்றதா? சிட்டி ஆ·ப் காட்னு ஒரு படம் பாத்திருக்கீங்களா? அதுல சுயவிவரிப்பும் வரும். மூன்றாவது குரலின் விவரிப்பும் வரும்."
"ஒரு விவாதத்தை இப்படி ஆரம்பிச்சா முடிவு கிடைக்காது"
"எனக்கு எந்தக் கட்டாயமும் கிடையாது. நான் நினைக்கிறததான் எடுப்பேன்"
http://pitchaipathiram.blogspot.com/...blog-post.html
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From: Thirumaran
on 1st November 2007 11:00 AM
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Sariyo thappo Manasula pattatha Velipadayaa Paesuraar
Ippadi pattavangala Thimir Pidichavangannu Othukku vachiduvaangalae
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Thanks, Joe. This interview was good to read. He has the same attitude just like any other literary man.
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Namma alungalukku onnu hero appaava, illa ammaava villain konnurukkanum allathu thangachchiya rape panni irukkanum. appa thaan hero kolai panna oththukkuvaanga.
Even in the movie itself, Prabhakar says that only in stories, you need a valid reason to kill someone but in life you don't need it. Obviously he is a pshycopath, why people are looking for reasons from him? Only god knows.
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From: MrJudge
on 1st November 2007 04:14 PM
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Director Ram's chat:
http://www.newindpress.com/Vplayer.asp?ID=IE!20071019150725&Title=Videos&rLin k=-499
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From: Yathu
on 2nd November 2007 03:24 AM
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Excellent movie! I really enjoyed watching it.
Good points:
- Jeeva's acting
- Heroine's acting
- Overall story with Jeeva's voiceover/ narration was really effective
- YSR's BGM - really lifted the movie in places
On the flip side, the ending was a little predicatable/ stretched. However, overall this is an excellent movie, definately worth a watch!
8/10
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From: joe
on 2nd November 2007 06:42 AM
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கற்றது தமிழ் படத்தின் மூலம் கணிணித்துறை வல்லுநர்கள் பற்றிய விமர்சனத்துக்கு பராசக்தி பாணியில் அமைந்த வேடிக்கை பதில்
நீதிமன்றம் விசித்திரம் நிறைந்த பல வழக்குகளைச் சந்தித்து இருக்கிறது. புதுமையான பல மனிதர்களைக் கண்டிருக்கிறது.ஆகவே, இவ்வழக்கு விசித்திரமுமல்ல, வழக்காடும் நான் புதுமையான மனிதனுமல்ல. வாழ்க்கைப் பாதையிலே சர்வ சாதாரணமாகக் காணக்கூடிய ஜீவன் தான். அதிக சம்பளம் வாங்குகிறேன். விலைவாசியை உயர்த்தினேன். குற்றம் சாட்டப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன், இப்படியெல்லாம். நீங்கள் எதிர்பார்ப்பீர்கள், நான் இதையெல்லாம் மறுக்கப்போகிறேன் என்று. இல்லை நிச்சயமாக இல்லை.
http://holyox.blogspot.com/2007/11/348.html
அதிக சம்பளம் வாங்கினேன். சாஃப்ட்வேர் கம்பனியே கூடாது என்பதற்காக அல்ல. சாஃப்ட்வேர் கம்பனிகள் திறமையற்றவர்களின் கூடாரமாய் இருக்கக் கூடாது என்பதற்காக. சரவனபவனை விட்டு டாமினோசுக்கு ஓடினேன்.சரவனபவனே இருக்ககூடாது என்பதால் அல்ல, சரவணபவனில் பீட்சா கிடைக்காத காரனத்தால்
உனக்கேன் இவ்வளவு அக்கரை? உலகத்தில் யாருக்கும் இல்லாத அக்கறை? என்று கேட்பீர்கள். நானே பாதிக்கப்பட்டேன். சுயநலம் என்பீர்கள். என் சுயநலத்தில் பொது நலமும் கலந்திருக்கிறது. ஆகாரத்துக்காக அழுக்கைச் சாப்பிட்டு தடாகத்தைச் சுத்தப்படுத்துகிறதே மீன் - அதைப் போல. என்னைக் குற்றவாளி குற்றவாளி என்கிறார்களே,இந்தக் குற்றவாளியின் வாழ்க்கைப் பாதையிலே கொஞ்சதூரம் பின்னோக்கி நடந்து பார்த்தால் அவன் கடந்து வந்துள்ள காட்டாறுகள் எவ்வளவு என்று கணக்கு பார்க்க முடியும். பாட்டொலிக்கும் குயில்கள் இல்லை என் பாதையில். படமெடுக்கும் பாம்புகள் நெளிந்திருக்கின்றன. தென்றலைத் தீண்டியதில்லை நான். ஆனால் தீயைத் தாண்டியிருக்கிறேன்.
கேளுங்கள் என் கதையை, நீதிபதி அவர்களே, தீர்ப்பு எழுதுவதற்கு முன் தயவுசெய்து கேளுங்கள். தமிழ்நாட்டில், ஒரு குக்கிராமத்தில் பிறந்தவன் நான். பிறக்க ஒரு நாடு பிழைக்க ஒரு நாடு. சாப்ஃட்வேர் எஞ்சினியர்களின் தலையெழுத்துக்கு நானென்ன விதிவிலக்கா? ஐதராபாத் அது என் ஐகியூவை வளர்த்தது. என்னை உயர்ந்தவனாக்கியது. இந்திய நாட்டை உயர்த்த வந்தேன். அதில் வெற்றிபெற்று உங்கள் முன் நிற்கிறேன். இதோ குற்றவாளிக் கூண்டிலே உங்கள் முன் நிற்கிறானே இந்த ஜாலக்காரன் எம்ப்ளாய்மென்ட் எக்ஸ்சேஞ் அதிகாரி. இவன் வலையில் விழுந்தவர்களில் நானும் ஒருவன். வருடக்கணக்கில் இவன் முன் கியூவில் நின்றேன். எப்போதும் நோவேகன்சி என்றே சொல்லிவந்தபோதும் வேகன்சிவரும் என நம்பி என் கார்டை ரென்யூ செய்தேன். கடைசியில் பைத்தியமாக மாறினேன்.
காண வந்த தங்கையை கண்டேன். கண்ணற்ற ஓவியமாக. ஆம், கல்யாண வயதில் வரதட்சிணைக்கு நிற்கும் பெண்னாக. தங்கையின் பெயரோ கல்யாணி. மங்களகரமான பெயர். ஆனால்,வரதட்சிணை தராமல் அவளுக்கு கல்யாணமாகவில்லை. செழித்து வளர்ந்த குடும்பம் சீரழியும் அபாயம் நேர்ந்துவிட்டது. அப்பா வயலில் வெள்ளாமையில்லை. விளைந்த நெல்லை வாங்க ஆளுமுமில்லை.அம்மா கண்களிலே நீர். என் குடும்பம் அலைந்தது. என் குடும்பத்துக்காக நானும் அலைந்தேன்.
என் குடும்பத்துக்கு கருணை காட்டினர் பலர். அவர்களிலே மார்வாடிகள் சிலர் என் வீட்டை கேட்டனர். டொனேஷன் வாங்கி எஞ்சினியரிங் சீட்டு கேட்கும் வழக்கிலே ஈடுபட்டு உங்கள் முன் நிற்கிறானே இக்கொடியவன் சுயநிதிகல்லூரி மேலாளர். இவன் என்னிடம் அறுபதாயிரம் டொனேஷன் கேட்டான். அதை கொடுத்திராவிட்டால் நான் இன்று டாஸ்மாக் கடையில் மானேஜராகத்தான் இருந்திருக்க வேண்டி இருக்கும்.
அரசியல்வாதிகள் எங்களுக்கு கருணை காட்ட முன்வந்தார்கள். பிரதி உபகாரமாக லஞ்சம் கேட்டனர். அவர்களின் வலையில் விழுந்த பட்டதாரிகளும் லஞ்சம் கொடுத்தனர்.நாட்டுக்கு துரோகம் செய்தனர். அதில் தலையானவன் எங்கள் ஊர் எம்.எல்.ஏ
டாஸ்மாக் கடையில் வேலைவாங்கித்தர ஐம்பதாயிரம் ரூபாய் லஞ்சம் கேட்டிருக்கிறான். ஜானிவாக்கரின் பெயரால், ஒல்ல்ட்மாங் ரம்மின் பெயரால். நான் ஐம்பதாயிரத்தை கொடுத்து கூட வேலையில் சேர்ந்திருப்பேன்.ஆனால் ஐம்பத்திஐந்தாயிரம் கொடுத்த இன்னொருவனுக்கு அந்த வேலையை கொடுத்தது இந்த எம்.எல்.ஏதான். அறுபதாயிரம் கொடுத்தால் இன்னொரு டாஸ்மாக் கடையில் வேலை தருவதாக என்னிடம் சொன்னான். ஆனால் அறுபதாயிரம் கொடுத்து டாஸ்மாக் மேனேஜராக ஆவதை விட அறுபதாயிரம் டொனேஷன் கொடுத்து எஞினியரிங் சீட் வாங்கிவிடலாம் என்று எண்ணி நான் சாஃப்ட்வேர் எஞினியராகி ஆஃப்ஷோர் வந்துவிட்டேன்.
ஆஃப்ஷோர் போவது விந்தையல்ல,அதிகம் சம்பாதிப்பதும் விந்தையல்ல. உலக உத்தமர் காந்தி, அஹிம்சா மூர்த்தி ஜீவகாருண்ய சீலர். அவரே வாலிபவயதில் இங்கிலாந்து போயிருக்கிறார். ஐம்பது பவுண்டுக்கு பர்கர் சாப்பிட்டிருக்கிறார். அந்த முறையைத்தான் கையாண்டிருக்கிறேன் நான். இது எப்படி குற்றமாகும்?
தமிழ்நாட்டின் குக்கிராமத்தில் பிறந்த இளைஞனுக்கு வேலையில்லை, வெட்டியில்லை,லஞ்சம் தராமல் படிப்பில்லை,வேலையுமில்லை. ஆனால் நான் லஞ்சம் கொடுத்திருந்தால், டாஸ்மாக் கடையில் ஏழுவருடம்,என் அப்பா வயலில் ஆறுவருடம்- இப்படி ஓட்டியிருக்கலாம் நாட்களை.இதைத் தானா இந்த நீதிமன்றம் விரும்புகிறது?
வேலை இல்லா திண்டாட்டம் என்னை மிரட்டியது. பயந்து ஓடினேன். அரசியல்வாதி கேட்ட லஞ்சம் என்னை துரத்தியது. மீண்டும் ஓடினேன். தங்கை கல்யாணத்துக்கு வேண்டிய வரதட்சினை பணம் என்னை துரத்தியது. அப்பாவை சாகுமுன் காரில் ஏற்றி சொந்த வீட்டில் குடியேற்ர வேண்டும் என்ர ஆசை என்னை துரத்தியது. ஓடினேன்,ஓடினேன் சாஃப்ட்வேர் வேலை கிடைக்கும் வரை ஓடினேன். அந்த ஓட்டத்தைத் தடுத்திருக்க வேண்டும். வாட்டத்தைப் போக்கியிருக்க வேண்டும். இன்று சட்டத்தை நீட்டுவோர் செய்தார்களா? வாழவிட்டார்களா என்னை?
எதிர்கட்சி வக்கீல்: குற்றவாளி யார் யார் வழக்கிற்கோ வக்கீலாக மாறுகிறார்.
யார் வழக்கிற்குமில்லை. அதுவுமென் வழக்குதான். என் குடும்பத்தின் வழக்கு. வேலை தர லஞ்சம் கேட்ட மாபாவிக்கு புத்தி புகட்ட முன்னாள் மாணவன் வாதிடுவதிலென்ன தவறு?
அதிக சம்பளம் வாங்குவது ஒரு குற்றம். விலைவாசி ஏறியது ஒரு குற்றம்.நான் 200 ரூபாய்க்கு பீட்சா சாப்பிடுவது ஒரு குற்றம்.
இத்தனைக் குற்றங்களுக்கும் யார் காரணம்?
வேறுதுறைகளில் வேலை கிடைக்காமல் அலையவிட்டது யார் குற்றம்?
விதியின் குற்றமா? அல்லது விதியின் பெயரைச் சொல்லி வயிறு வளர்க்கும் வீணர்களின் குற்றமா?
சாஃப்ட்வேர் எஞ்சினியர் என்றாலே வீட்டுவடகையை உயர்த்தும் ஓனர்களின் கூட்டத்தை வளரவிட்டது யார் குற்றம்?
சாஃப்ட்வேரின் குற்றமா? அல்லது சாப்ட்வேர் இல்லமாலேயேயே அதிக வாடகையை கனக்கிட தெரிந்த ஹவுஸ் ஓனர்களின் குற்றமா?
சரவணபவனில் ஐந்து ரூபாய்க்கு பீட்சா கிடைக்காதது யார் குற்றம்? அண்ணாச்சியின் குற்றமா? அல்லது அண்ணாச்சியை கைது செய்து உள்ளே தள்ளிய போலிஸின் குற்றமா?
இக்குற்றங்கள் களையப்படும்வரை வீட்டுவாடகையும், விலைவாசிகளும் குறையப்போவதில்லை.
இதுதான் எங்கள் வாழ்க்கை ஏட்டில் எந்தப் பக்கம் புரட்டினாலும் காணப்படும் பாடம்.
பகுத்தறிவு.
பயனுள்ள அரசியல் தத்துவம்.
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From: littlemaster1982
on 2nd November 2007 11:06 AM
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Watched the film yesterday. It is good in parts, but on the whole
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From: ThalaNass
on 2nd November 2007 02:10 PM
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From: MrJudge
on 2nd November 2007 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
ThalaNass
Thanks for the links, ThalaNass. Aduththa padam "Sadam Hussein" aachche, tamilaragalin varalattrukkum intha thalaipukkum enna sambantham
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From: selvakumar
on 2nd November 2007 03:12 PM
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Bala,
Thanks for the update
It has been released in Bangalore and I dont think I can see that in the next 1 month
I will try neverthless.
and
could you please say in one line, the speciality of this film ?
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From: thilak4life
on 2nd November 2007 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Bala,
Thanks for the update
It has been released in Bangalore and I dont think I can see that in the next 1 month
I will try neverthless.
and
could you please say in one line, the speciality of this film ?
Pointless meandering of the writer's thoughts through his fictional (theoritical) characters..
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From: selvakumar
on 2nd November 2007 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Pointless meandering of the writer's thoughts through his fictional (theoritical) characters..
looks like a BULLS EYE comment
thanks thilak
<< how was YSR in the film .. ? did u like it ? >>
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From: crajkumar_be
on 2nd November 2007 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
could you please say in one line, the speciality of this film ?
<Reminds me of Sun TV's movie reviews, especially this one - "Raajiyam - Poojiyam!"
>
Sorry, One line solla therila...
Well....
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From: thilak4life
on 2nd November 2007 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Pointless meandering of the writer's thoughts through his fictional (theoritical) characters..
looks like a BULLS EYE comment
thanks thilak
<< how was YSR in the film .. ? did u like it ? >>
His BGM was quite loud and jarring in the start (might be the Udhayam theater's poor acoustical design), but as the film moves on, it gets better..
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From: selvakumar
on 2nd November 2007 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
could you please say in one line, the speciality of this film ?
<Reminds me of Sun TV's movie reviews, especially this one - "Raajiyam - Poojiyam!"
>
Sorry, One line solla therila...
Well....
< dig > sari.. adutha thadava ungala essay ezhutha solluraen :P :P <dig>
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From: selvakumar
on 2nd November 2007 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
could you please say in one line, the speciality of this film ?
<Reminds me of Sun TV's movie reviews, especially this one - "Raajiyam - Poojiyam!"
>
Sorry, One line solla therila...
Well....
< dig > sari.. adutha thadava ungala essay ezhutha solluraen :P :P <dig>
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From: selvakumar
on 2nd November 2007 03:25 PM
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thilak
thanks thilak
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From: P_R
on 2nd November 2007 03:56 PM
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" தமிழ் படிச்சவனோட பிரச்சினையைத்தான் படத்தில் பேசியிருக்கிறதா நிறைய பேச்சு இருக்கு. நீங்க அப்படி நினைச்சு எடுத்தீங்களா?"
"உங்களுக்கு எப்படி தோணுது?"
"எனக்கென்னவோ தமிழ் படிச்சவனோட பிரச்சினையை மட்டுமே பேசற மாதிரி தெரியலை."
"இப்படி ஒவ்வொருத்தருக்கும் ஒவ்வொண்ணு தோணுது. படத்தில் நிறைய sub text வச்சிருக்கேன். அவங்க அவங்களுக்கு என்ன தோணுதோ பேசிக்கட்டும்."
Very interesting interview.
Thank You Joe.
வெகுஜன பத்திரிக்கைகளில் எழுதிய விமர்சகர்கள் (?)
இப்படத்தின் மீது வைத்த குற்றச்சாட்டுகளை படித்தால்
எனக்கு ஒரு கமல் வசனம் ஞாபகத்துக்கு வருது: நீ கனவு கண்டதுக்கெல்லாம் நான் எப்பிடி ஜவாப்தாரி ஆக முடியும் ?
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மை.ம.கா.ராஜன்
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From: kannannn
on 2nd November 2007 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
" தமிழ் படிச்சவனோட பிரச்சினையைத்தான் படத்தில் பேசியிருக்கிறதா நிறைய பேச்சு இருக்கு. நீங்க அப்படி நினைச்சு எடுத்தீங்களா?"
"உங்களுக்கு எப்படி தோணுது?"
"எனக்கென்னவோ தமிழ் படிச்சவனோட பிரச்சினையை மட்டுமே பேசற மாதிரி தெரியலை."
"இப்படி ஒவ்வொருத்தருக்கும் ஒவ்வொண்ணு தோணுது. படத்தில் நிறைய sub text வச்சிருக்கேன். அவங்க அவங்களுக்கு என்ன தோணுதோ பேசிக்கட்டும்."
Very interesting interview.
Thank You Joe.
வெகுஜன பத்திரிக்கைகளில் எழுதிய விமர்சகர்கள் (?)
இப்படத்தின் மீது வைத்த குற்றச்சாட்டுகளை படித்தால்
எனக்கு ஒரு கமல் வசனம் ஞாபகத்துக்கு வருது: நீ கனவு கண்டதுக்கெல்லாம் நான் எப்பிடி ஜவாப்தாரி ஆக முடியும் ?
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மை.ம.கா.ராஜன்
David Lynch, appearing in an interview on the DVD special features of Mulholland Drive refused to give his interpretation of the movie, saying it is left to the viewers to interpret and analyse.
One of the scenes in 'Ivan's Childhood' features a soldier trying to light his cigarette with a damp matchstick and when that fails throws away his cigarette in exasperation and leaves. When a viewer pointed to Tarkovsky the irony of the soldier not wanting to light from the smouldering remains of the bombed house he is standing on (thus rejecting anything that the war has to offer), Tarkovsky admitted that he never thought about it from that angle. Such is the power of the viewer's imagination. The last thing we want is for the maker to reveal the meaning and spoil the fun.
All this discussion only makes me want to watch the movie soon. Perhaps, I can catch it on DVD..
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From: rsubras
on 2nd November 2007 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Bala,
Thanks for the update
It has been released in Bangalore and I dont think I can see that in the next 1 month
I will try neverthless.
and
could you please say in one line, the speciality of this film ?
Katrathu Thamizh...Kallathathai umizh
I didnt see the movie as yet... but purely based on reviews i have been reading (most of them supporting the film)
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From: thilak4life
on 2nd November 2007 05:10 PM
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Even Kamal hasn't spelt it out. (which is a good thing, considering the profound themes he handles in his films.) Many of 'em don't!
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From: Nerd
on 3rd November 2007 01:38 PM
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The movie reminded me of uyirE for some reason. The script has tried to portray a LOT of things but has failed on many accounts. The screenplay was pretty good (well except the last 10 minutes
) The direction/execution was pathetic, IMHO (This is where uyirE scores over this one. Mani's experience to the rescue
). Jeeva was pretty good barring a few over-acting sequences. karuNAs was terrific. The heroine reminded me of BM heroines and her performance was good for a newcomer. BGM was a major let-down. Ram is sure a director to watch out for, but his first attempt is not very impressive. Many scenes could have been better and the movie leaves a lot to be desired. Full marks to the cinematography, dialogs and paRavayE (both the song and the video)
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From: P_R
on 3rd November 2007 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
well except the last 10 minutes
Actually I found the last 10 minutes of the interview unbearable. But I found the ending quite agreeable. A very BRish end (complete with 2rd person v-0
) but presented in an appealing manner
Originally Posted by
kannannn
When a viewer pointed to Tarkovsky the irony of the soldier not wanting to light from the smouldering remains of the bombed house he is standing on (thus rejecting anything that the war has to offer), Tarkovsky admitted that he never thought about it from that angle.
Read some recent interview of KB (I think it was linked from the Hub) where the interviewer pointed out a scene from Thanneer Thanneer where the illeterate person and an illiterate person are conversing. While the former is in the lower part of the frame, while the literate person is sitting atop a house (?) on the top half of the frame. While being thrilled by the viewer's analysis KB generously admitted that the imagery was not intentional.
All said and done, it is definitely more interesting when it is intentional. Some may say it reduces art, to the level of Sunday paper puzzles. So be it. That's the only way one can get a gem of a passing line like below:
This Kathiawari horse was once a useful animal. Now its suffers, and we suffer too. To kill it would amount to mercy
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From: Roshan
on 3rd November 2007 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Rocketboy, is that your review in that link ?
Tried watching the katradhu thamizh "so-called" analysis by SuhAsini in her show in Jaya TV. I usually find her unbearably irritating, but today she outdid herself.
Cool
Enakkum appadithAn thOnum
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From: Nerd
on 3rd November 2007 10:28 PM
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The moment jeeva enters the
brothel the movie becomes extremely predictable. The sun tv scenes were hilarious and for a moment I thought I was watching a shankar movie! The so-called social issue was dealt in a very poor manner, much worse than what shankar does! And the scenes leading to the *end* werent great either. The director's commentary at the end, the less said about that. the better
As many of you have mentioned dialogs were extra-ordinary. No wonder coming from a professional writer
P.S. I would want to know which company pays 2L for an entry level s/w engr in India. USA-aavadhu m****** (its so NOT a bad word, watch the movie :P ) am there!
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From: Devar Magan
on 4th November 2007 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
The movie reminded me of uyirE for some reason. The script has tried to portray a LOT of things but has failed on many accounts. The screenplay was pretty good (well except the last 10 minutes
) The direction/execution was pathetic, IMHO (This is where uyirE scores over this one. Mani's experience to the rescue
). Jeeva was pretty good barring a few over-acting sequences. karuNAs was terrific. The heroine reminded me of BM heroines and her performance was good for a newcomer. BGM was a major let-down. Ram is sure a director to watch out for, but his first attempt is not very impressive. Many scenes could have been better and the movie leaves a lot to be desired. Full marks to the cinematography, dialogs and paRavayE (both the song and the video)
ithu maathiri "nermaiyaana" reviews neenga rajini padangalukku eluthaathathu thaan engalathu varutham
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From: Nerd
on 4th November 2007 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Devar Magan
thaan engalathu varutham
I have never *reviewed* a rajini film, though few of them are review worthy. Of course those few released in the 70s/80s. I so know what to expect in a Rajini film and I have seldom been dissappointed
So IMO all Rajini films rock.
<<Dig Ends>>
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From: great
on 4th November 2007 10:42 PM
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Katrathu Thamizh: The movie was enjoyable in parts , i liked the first half and I didnt liked few scenes in the second half particularly the IT and BPO related stuff. Jeeva was quite good and his dialogue delivery is good
Cinematography
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From: great
on 4th November 2007 10:48 PM
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Roshan
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Rocketboy, is that your review in that link ?
Tried watching the katradhu thamizh "so-called" analysis by SuhAsini in her show in Jaya TV. I usually find her unbearably irritating, but today she outdid herself.
Cool
Enakkum appadithAn thOnum
her so called analysis
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From: MADDY
on 5th November 2007 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
P.S. I would want to know which company pays 2L for an entry level s/w engr in India. USA-aavadhu m****** (its so NOT a bad word, watch the movie :P ) am there!
maybe he was reffering per annum salary??
....if it was per month salary its rubbish then........managers get 1.5L/month salary - which is a standard nowadays
....freshers max - 30k/month - that is the max i'm saying
disgr>>
suhasini -
........i remember the title that me and my dad gave her once -
ellam therinja egaambari ....>>>end disgr
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From: great
on 5th November 2007 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
maybe he was reffering per annum salary??
....if it was per month salary its rubbish then........managers get 1.5L/month salary - which is a standard nowadays
....freshers max - 30k/month - that is the max i'm saying
Yeppa avan london returnpa , konjam paathu pottu kundunga
. Its 2 Lakh PA
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From: Nerd
on 5th November 2007 09:49 PM
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Maddy,
Jeeva rather the director was comparing 2000 and 200000. According to him an entry level tamil teacher gets 2kp.m. and an entry level s/w engr gets 2L p.m. And IMO even 2kp.m. for a MA graduate is way too less, no matter where he works
And we can talk pages about the ludicrous statements made by jeeva w.r.to this issue. aanaa kaadhal kAtchigaL dhAn en favorite in the movie :P
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From: Kollywoodfan
on 5th November 2007 09:51 PM
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From: ajithfederer
on 5th November 2007 10:07 PM
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The best post in this thread so far
Originally Posted by
Kollywoodfan
http://www.isaithenral.com/gallery1/details.php?image_id=62136
Jeeva and his fiance
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From: great
on 5th November 2007 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
The best post in this thread so far
Originally Posted by
Kollywoodfan
http://www.isaithenral.com/gallery1/details.php?image_id=62136
Jeeva and his fiance
oru ponnu boto potta udanae odi vanthutanya
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From: ajithfederer
on 5th November 2007 10:12 PM
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namba eppidi
.........shreya thread maranthu pochaa
Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
The best post in this thread so far
Originally Posted by
Kollywoodfan
http://www.isaithenral.com/gallery1/details.php?image_id=62136
Jeeva and his fiance
oru ponnu boto potta udanae odi vanthutanya
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From: great
on 5th November 2007 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
namba eppidi
.........shreya thread maranthu pochaa
athu devi valipadu
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From: Querida
on 5th November 2007 10:29 PM
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I watched this move just yesterday, i was afraid that since I usually enjoy Jeeva's acting that I would be disappointed after having such high expectations of the movie....i am throughly delighted to say that this was not at all the case...
Yuvan after toying with remixes has certainly redeemed himself through this movie...the song "Unakkaga Thane Uyir Ullathu" has been haunting me ever since i heard a snippet of it on the radio but was not lucky enough to hear the movie title.
The debutante in this movie really I felt was the best choice to portray the character of Ananthie...the name itself echoing the only happiness for the protagonist. The use of english interspersed and sharp words...sadly the word for word of senthamizh have been lost on me....though i cannot say i am ignorant of the context so well played out by Jeeva. I hope someone can clear up the passages please for me????
-Jeeva's first reaction of anger seen, with the ticket master is so purely concentrated it sent chills to watch.
-The muted almost apathetic feelings of Ananthie after being found in Maharashtra is painful to watch...so much more moving than the expected happiness and cloudnine romanticism that we have come to expect....
-the childhood phases are so very endearing...the child character of Prabhakar (yes i heard the little haha dangerous name references) was so very adorable and mischeivious.
-I liked the comment of how even though he never had liked being spun around he never had the heart to tell his father.
-The mother's death scene is to say disturbing to the greatest traumatic extent.
overall I am still in awe of this movie..hope to always be so...
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From: P_R
on 5th November 2007 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Querida
overall I am still in awe of this movie..hope to always be so...
Welcome to the club !
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From: Kollywoodfan
on 6th November 2007 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
The best post in this thread so far
Originally Posted by
Kollywoodfan
http://www.isaithenral.com/gallery1/details.php?image_id=62136
Jeeva and his fiance
I thought it was important
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From: Thirumaran
on 6th November 2007 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by
Kollywoodfan
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
The best post in this thread so far
Originally Posted by
Kollywoodfan
http://www.isaithenral.com/gallery1/details.php?image_id=62136
Jeeva and his fiance
I thought it was important
Ithu Jeeva Katrathu Thamizh patriyathu. Jeeva Kathukapoarathu ____ pathinathu illa
Sorry for the dig.
Planning to watch the movie this week
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From: crajkumar_be
on 6th November 2007 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by
Querida
-The muted almost apathetic feelings of Ananthie after being found in Maharashtra is painful to watch...so much more moving than the expected happiness and cloudnine romanticism that we have come to expect....
Superbly written character and scenes....
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From: Querida
on 6th November 2007 07:30 AM
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glad to find someone who agrees
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From: joe
on 9th November 2007 02:28 PM
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Guys
I have moved TV programmes discussion to respective section
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic....27ed4b7ff9e39b
Pls continue there and let us leave this thread for 'Katrathu Thamizh'
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From: Roshan
on 9th November 2007 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
anga maathiyAchA.. appO thread kAthu vaanga pOguthu
Had a nice time today
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From: crajkumar_be
on 9th November 2007 02:34 PM
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<Panchayat over-a???? innum theerpe sollaliye!
>
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From: Roshan
on 9th November 2007 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
<Panchayat over-a???? innum theerpe sollaliye!
>
Aama sangatha kalechuttaanga
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From: MADDY
on 9th November 2007 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
<Panchayat over-a???? innum theerpe sollaliye!
>
adhula paarunga - naa oru 5 nimisham thoonginaen - 2-3 pages-ae kaanom
indha thread-oda thalai ezhuthhu i think - most disgressed thread
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From: joe
on 9th November 2007 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
<Panchayat over-a???? innum theerpe sollaliye!
>
Pachayathu vera oru aala marathukku keela mathiyachu..ellarum sompoda anga vaanga
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 13th November 2007 12:29 PM
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i dint see katrathu thamiz but read a lot of discussions abt that. if i sum up the time i splent reading them, i can see katrathu thamiz 2 or 3 times with that whole period
http://penathal.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post.html
http://urpudathathu.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post.html
these 2 blogs has lots of info. these are useful than other blogs, which "conclude" something
the thing is, its not a small topic to be concluded. And to be updated, notonly TN, or not only India, this IT vs NON It or inequality in economy is red-hot topic everywhere. even US is not left out. see the below link
http://urpudathathu.blogspot.com/2007/11/5.html
i have only one question. i know quite a lot of IT guys who had come up from rural, not-so-rich backgrounds whose familes are now happy becos of their son\daughter earning multiple times than thier family income and a sudden rise in their economy. why no such single souls came up and said good things about the IT and its lucrative ness??? ithanaikkum avanga thaan inthula romba advantage\santhoshapattavanga, they were too needy and IT fulfilled thier dreams.
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From: joe
on 14th November 2007 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
ithanaikkum avanga thaan inthula romba advantage\santhoshapattavanga, they were too needy and IT fulfilled thier dreams.
Here the complaint is not against IT industry ,but IT people ,their attitude and less responsiblity in the soceity .So it is nothing we are in a position to defend IT industry ,but we take it as a self-assesment .
I am glad that if atleast a section of IT peopole realise what other thing about them and their life style ,whether it is right or not.
PS : I am also in IT.
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From: MrJudge
on 16th November 2007 10:56 AM
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Guys,
Did you see the comments made out by L&T's CMD about Infosys on NDTV yesterday?? I thought another katrathu tamil controversy coming for a second. I am not sure whether other channels aired that or not.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 16th November 2007 12:45 PM
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lnt tries to pay less even for freshers and infosys statrted to pay decently, which hit them sonewhat. iam an ex lnt guy!
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From: prasana84
on 16th November 2007 10:02 PM
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Awesome movie romba naturalla yeduthurukaru
Great work
Entha padathuku director work pannala entha padathoda valthurukarunuthan sollanum
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 20th November 2007 01:02 PM
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http://vivaatham.thamizmanam.com/archives/59
மலையாளிகளிடம் இருந்து நாம் கற்றுக்கொள்ளலாம் தானே?? நம்மைவிட அவர்கள் மொழிப்பற்று மிக்கவர்கள். இரண்டு மலையாளிகள் எவ்வளவு படித்திருந்தாலும்.. தாங்கள் மலையாளி என்று தெரிந்த நிமிடமே “மலையாளியல்லே”.. அன்று அவர்கள் தாய்மொழியில் தான் விளித்து சம்சாரிப்பர்கள். டீக்கடையோ பொட்டிக்கடையோ.. எம்ஏ படித்திருந்தாலும் கவுரவம் பார்க்காமல் வைப்பார்கள்… வேலை செய்வார்கள். படிக்கும் மொழிக்கும் ஒரு தொழிலுக்கும் சம்பந்தம் என்ன தேவை வேண்டியிருக்கு.
கற்றது தமிழாயிருந்தால் என்ன? காதாநாயகன் ஒரு டீகடையோ காய்கறிக்கடையோ அல்லது ஒரு விளம்பர நிருவனமோ நடத்தமுடியாதா? சும்மா அரசாங்க வேலை வீடு தட்டும் படித்தால் என்று நினைக்கும் வைட் காலர் சமாசாரம் தானே அது! எததனை 5 ஆம் க்ளாஸ் தமிழர்கள் திருப்பூரில் ஆயிரக்கணக்கான மக்களுக்கு வேலை கொடுத்துள்ளார்கள். இதையெல்லாம் சொல்லாமல் ஒரு தமிழ் படித்தவனின் வாழ்க்கை இப்படித்தான் இருக்கும் என்று சொல்லி இன்று தமிழ் படிக்கும் பல மாணவர்களிடமும் தாழ்வு மனப்பான்மைஏற்படுத்தவே செய்துள்ளது இந்தப்படம்! நான் ஒரு மாண்வனிடம் அரசு கலைக்கல்லூரி பேசியபிறகே இதை எழுதுகிறேன்!
இதைவிட எங்கூரு ராம்க்கு பயங்கர புடுங்கின்னு நினைப்பு.. அவரு படத்தை பலதரம் பாத்தபின்புதான் விமர்சிக்கனுமாம்.. ஆனா அவரு படம்எடுத்து முடிஞ்சதுமே அதை மறந்துடுவாராம்/கவலைப்பட மாட்டாரம். அதுக்கும் அவருக்கும் சம்பந்தமில்லையாம். நம்மளும் படம் பாத்து வெளிய வந்தவுடனே சம்பந்தமில்லாமயில்ல போயிருக்கனும். நம்மஎதுக்கு இந்த ஆளுக்கு விழா எடுத்து பெருமை சேர்க்கனும்! நம்மூரு ஆள்தான். ஆனா ஒரு படம்எடுத்ததுமே மண்டைக்கனம் அதிகமாயி நிலாவிலிருந்து பேசுவது போல பேட்டிகள்’லாம் வருது? அதுனாலதான் கேட்கிறேன் … கற்றது தமிழா இருந்தா டீகடை வைத்தால் ஆகாதா?
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From: NOV
on 7th December 2007 06:36 AM
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watched Katradhu Thamizh at last.
Jeeva needs to be congratulated for acting in this sure-to-be-doomed film. He overacts in some scenes, replicates in others but shines brilliantly in most parts.
film must have been made to shock
yes, one gets the distinct feeling that Raam the director must have intended to get people talking about the controversies... from the violence, language and references to sex... never before seen in tamil films.
overall the film is very different from your average films. it is clear that praba (jeeva) is not normal but no such references are made (except by the police). no proper reason is given why he became abnormal, except that he witnessed a few deaths (havent we all?)
all characters have been brought out alive by first time director Raam. and you can see his inspirations (and jeeva's too) in many scenes - including one from mahanadhi.
like paruthi veeran, the leads in KT also are lovers from childhood
which I find rather uncomfortable. a serious defect is the coincidental meeting of prabha and anandhi at the whorehouse.
barring these two cliches (for want of a better word), katradhu thamizh is a good attempt at film making.
yuvan's music is sufficient but the songs do not impress much.
KT is best compared with PV for its rawness and bold attempts. Katradhu Thamizh - one of the better films of this year.
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 7th December 2007 09:25 AM
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how is jeeva's "rameswaram" - looks like it is not doing good at the box office
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From: kamath
on 7th December 2007 12:10 PM
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Rameswaram is jeeva 3rd consecutive bomb after pori & kattradhu thamizh.
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 7th December 2007 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
kamath
Rameswaram is jeeva 3rd consecutive bomb after pori & kattradhu thamizh.
whatz his next one
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 9th December 2007 11:23 AM
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me too saw the movie atlast. leaving apart the issues whish the movie stirred ppl to discuss, there are lot of logical errors in the movie. why shud anandi and her mom move to a villiage in north to village in south saying there is no scope to earn\live in south village?!! why cant they go to some city to earn in a decent job??!!
and given aanandhi is decent intllegent girl(who kostins praba why to take a tamil course, at very first place) why shud be pushed to prostitution??!! that stuff simply is meant for sympathy earning....no logical reason.
prabhakar, the intellegent guy who knows decently good english, doesnt read newspapers???? he always puts america in top light and portray asif its a heaven!!!
when he meets ananthi at MP he didnt ask her, what is the source of income for her uncle\family....
i guess these kostins wud have alreade been asked...dont have patience to readback this whole thread
everyone portrays America is a heaven...americavilum Arizona undu. angu gudisaigalum undu!!! US itself is in dollar strugle, its the most debted country in the world! the very reason for Iraqui war is not for oil or for anti-terrorism but to bringback iraq to trade oil in dollars [when iraq decided to use euro for oil trade, dollar strted to hit down badly]. apart, american economy badly struggles internally itself. the very reason they do outsource is to save dollars!! nelamai ippadi irukkumpothu our indian directors easily assume and portray false image of US. if they want to show inequality in economy, let them stay within the country happenings and neednot pull america, london ect. angeyum aayiram
learnt latin, studied spanish, kathaigal irukku
let tamil cinema come out of madurai & north madras & also america
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From: MrJudge
on 10th December 2007 09:40 AM
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Sakala,
There may be lot of errors in the movie logically, still the positives of it outscore them easily.
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From: P_R
on 11th December 2007 04:17 AM
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Sakala, just re-read the first paragraph of your questions you have asked, expecting a logical answers. That is exactly what makes the movie poignant for me. If 'logically' none of these miseries should have happened and yet they did, it shows the absurd brutality that life dishes out.
vaazhkai tharkkathukku appArppAttadhu. I think that is a line in the film. Life will just happen on you. The meaninglessness of the
real world where death laughs at life, is so dark compared to the beautiful world where imaginary tigers sleep on imaginary hills. The tunnel may look dark, but it wasn't darkness they ran into in the end.
I want to revisit this film soon.
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From: ajithfederer
on 11th December 2007 08:50 PM
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From: karthik_sa2
on 11th December 2007 09:28 PM
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"success has many fathers but failure is an orphan" ajith said this in an interview recently and very true...KT maadhiri oru padam eduthutu i cant even imagine him doing a film with karunas as the main lead
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From: ajithfederer
on 11th December 2007 09:32 PM
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exactly...The biggest(saddest) question now is how many directors would comeup with some different themes like this in the future?
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 11th December 2007 09:52 PM
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PR,
that may happen in life but it didnt fit or mean anything in this story. thats my point
prabakar says, "iam not jeleous, i can earn 2000 and live with it happili but think of others wgo studied geography ect..."thats another logical err, and is anyway IT a reason for that? wasn't it govt which didnt feed those jobs with correct salaries??
also the other attack in the same scene, direct on IT guys - "rayban glassapppoduraanga, shoesapppoduraanga" seriously, didn't we laugh at it? and again, was it their mistake? or the businesses which feed heavily on those so called IT guys.
finally, there was not one positive note on the good things IT has brought in...it was one sided
on the whole the film was a half baked, but, but, somehow a good attempt....
at the same time i can't dislike the movie to the core
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 11th December 2007 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Sakala,
There may be lot of errors in the movie logically, still the positives of it outscore them easily.
There may be lot of errors becos of
IT , still the positives of it outscore them easily
one such good thing is this hub and we vetti's
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From: karthik_sa2
on 11th December 2007 10:15 PM
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namma naadu thaan vevasthai ketta, vevaram ketta naadachey,
inga lla panakkaaranum kettavan, ellaa ezhaiyum nallavan
ethayume organise pannaatha govermnment mela yaarum kurai sollalai. cinema ticket, manal load, land rate, ithayellaam fix pannura govt en rent\bus ticket ithellaam fix pannurathillai??
correct'a sonninga...
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From: P_R
on 12th December 2007 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
PR, that may happen in life but it didnt fit or mean anything in this story. thats my point
hmmm depends on what you felt was the story.
Originally Posted by
SKV
prabakar says, "iam not jeleous, i can earn 2000 and live with it happili but think of others wgo studied geography ect..."thats another logical err....
There is no need to believe Prabhakar's spin that his rampage is all "podhu nalam". It may be an (admittedly miserable) attempt to justification his actions, which he keeps saying he is not interested in providing.
I don't even want to get into Government's responsibilities etc. as they are tangential to the film which is all about Prabhakar.
Originally Posted by
SKV
also the other attack in the same scene, direct on IT guys - "rayban glassapppoduraanga, shoesapppoduraanga" seriously, didn't we laugh at it? and again, was it their mistake?
When he says "you may be killed for the slice of pizza you have" you know there is no logic here but just overpowering emotion. Whether you are impressed by the way he links it closely to his conception of "maanam" is the question. We are on either side of that stream
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From: groucho070
on 17th January 2008 03:36 PM
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I find my feeling about this movie close to NOV's. Good attempt and good performance, but something not right somewhere.
The director seemed to want to tell something, but things get muddled in improper argument and half-baked justification to some of the actions the lead character indulged in.
But overall it's well shot, and could have gone to right direction.
I am very happy for Jeeva. This is a step in right direction. Here is a young contendor for the Great Actor seat. One of the contendor if I may, before some fans get excited. But it's still early...
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From: Roshan
on 17th January 2008 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
I find my feeling about this movie close to NOV's. Good attempt and good performance, but something not right somewhere.
The director seemed to want to tell something, but things get muddled in improper argument and half-baked justification to some of the actions the lead character indulged in.
But overall it's well shot, and could have gone to right direction.
I am very happy for Jeeva. This is a step in right direction. Here is a young contendor for the Great Actor seat. One of the contendor if I may, before some fans get excited. But it's still early...
Have you watched Jeeva's PoRi and Raameswaram by any chance (
PS: I have heard, even Prashanth was once considered as a contender for the Great Actor seat
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From: P_R
on 17th January 2008 07:00 PM
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Groucho, great that you half-liked the film
Originally Posted by
groucho070
The director seemed to want to tell something, but things get muddled in improper argument and half-baked justification to some of the actions the lead character indulged in.
hmm....this is what I found attractive about the film. That his arguments were dumb and his justifications (though he painfully denies he owes nobody a explanation) illogical do not any way make his pains unreal. I found that very hard-hitting.
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From: groucho070
on 18th January 2008 02:04 PM
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Not sure what you are getting at, Roshan, but yeah I watched them and performance are not that impressive.
I base on the fact that he brought something else to the role, the way he did in E, or even Dishyum. The whole point of being good actor is bringing something to the table, rather than just following the script and the director.
Never considered Prashanth as contender for that seat from day one. Never heard of anyone considering that too.
But as I said, Jeeva is one of the contenders and it's still early.
PR,
Not sure what you getting at too. That he is not clear in projecting his pain means his pain is real? Guess I've been away too long...Sorry folks.
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From: P_R
on 18th January 2008 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
PR,
Not sure what you getting at too. That he is not clear in projecting his pain means his pain is real? Guess I've been away too long...Sorry folks.
That his pains are not backed by reason, that his hell is intensely personal and defies translation/explanation makes it even more poignant to me.
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From: thilak4life
on 18th January 2008 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
groucho070
PR,
Not sure what you getting at too. That he is not clear in projecting his pain means his pain is real? Guess I've been away too long...Sorry folks.
That his pains are not backed by reason, that his hell is intensely personal and defies translation/explanation makes it even more poignant to me.
PR, you have a weakness for well made poignant films, don't you? (just an observation)
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From: P_R
on 18th January 2008 02:32 PM
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Yes. Heart bleeding for the helpless mortal stuck in this absurd world. The human condition and all that
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From: groucho070
on 18th January 2008 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
groucho070
PR,
Not sure what you getting at too. That he is not clear in projecting his pain means his pain is real? Guess I've been away too long...Sorry folks.
That his pains are not backed by reason, that his hell is intensely personal and defies translation/explanation makes it even more poignant to me.
Gotcha. But I thought the director tried to explain the actions, with flashback and all. Just something felt hollow somewhere. Anyway, if you see it differently and you accepted it, then it's okay. There is definitely a better director in Ram, and we might see that in the future.
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From: thilak4life
on 18th January 2008 02:38 PM
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From: groucho070
on 18th January 2008 02:51 PM
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Thanks Tilak. Sure it'd make me things differently. let me watch it for second time. More than anything, I was impressed with Jeeva's performance. Something bold that I have not seen for a long, long time (never impressed by the younger crop of so called good actors, they are competent to me, that's all).
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From: Raghu
on 18th January 2008 03:13 PM
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Jeeva is probably the BEST actor amongst the younger actors, i mean between the ages 20 and 30 , no doubts on that
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From: equanimus
on 19th January 2008 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
groucho070
PR,
Not sure what you getting at too. That he is not clear in projecting his pain means his pain is real? Guess I've been away too long...Sorry folks.
That his pains are not backed by reason, that his hell is intensely personal and defies translation/explanation makes it even more poignant to me.
[If I may barge in on this discussion...
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Prabhu Ram,
True, this is a valid point, only if the film hadn't gone for so long showing the back-stories, only to cut it finally, and say, "oh, whatever, you won't understand." It doesn't surely justify the protagonist's condition and actions, but it keeps on "explaining" his condition with these back-stories. I think that's the point Groucho is making as well.
There was much to appreciate in the film (the first time we see a sort of "God's lonely man" in Tamil cinema; that shot of he sitting alone on a deserted railtrack as the camera moves back in fast-forward mode, going far away from the place -- what seems like miles -- and we still don't see any one else...), but I didn't come out liking the film all that much. It just picks too many strands of motifs here and there for its own good. These different strands really don't gel with each other. I felt like seeing at least 3 different stories together, wherein the cuts from one story to another are almost always awkward.
The loosely hanging love story for one. The sequences in which we see his search for Anandhi are well made, it's at times poignant even, but to cut back from there to a sequence where the protagonist goes around doing errands for his school boss to procure the Tamil teacher job with 'நீராரும் கடலுடுத்த' playing in the background just didn't cut it for me. Or the climax at the railway tunnel, for instance. Prabhakar and Anandhi running towards an approaching train, metaphorically going back to their innocent childhoods. It left me with no impact whatsoever.
Also, the protagonist's recollection of his past is overly sentimental for a film like this. The sequences of his tragic past would have worked well on its own (especially his school-time life with his beloved mentor, Azhagamperumal, works really well) in a different film. We're talking about a "God's lonely man" sort of protagonist protagonist here (the film even references to Albert Camus' 'The Stranger').
These back-stories here -- the tragic past, his quest for finding his love, and the "avamAnam" tag of being a Tamil graduate etc. -- are all melodramatic (at times very affecting, nevertheless) while the protagonist's condition (even inside his mind) is really "beyond" such melodrama. They don't gel with the "
evanO oruvan on the very brink" state of the protagonist; in fact, to a large extent, works against it, simply not letting him be that "
evanO oruvan" and go
ahead with the story.
I think the film would have worked (if I may indulge for a moment) superbly if we started and ended with such a man, a man with no name, so to say. In an inspired piece of dialogue in the film, Prabhakar says that there are only two people in Chennai. "Spencer Plaza 'க்கு உள்ள இருக்குறவன், Spencer Plaza 'க்கு வெளியில இருக்குறவன். ATM 'க்கு உள்ள இருக்குறவன், ATM 'க்கு வெளியில இருக்குறவன்." And, goes on to say how the guy waiting outside has to "சார், சார், சார்" the guy inside the ATM for his livelihood. Wow, the man standing outside the ATM, what a protagonist he'd have made for this film! This brilliant piece of dialogue bring the essence of the "underprivileged" everyman the film attempts to talk about. (This and the drunken scene at the roadside with two call-center guys have to be the best scenes in the film.) But, the film deliberately chooses to not have someone like "the guy outside the ATM" as the protagonist. It'd have been far more compelling if some everyman like him had been the protagonist instead. Instead, the evocation of such a condition is relegated to just a piece of dialogue (much superb, as it is).
This way, the film excepts the protagonist at many places, not just content with showing him as just another everyman in the underprivileged lot. I very much appreciate the psychology bit here, the protagonist is going to think of himself that way, a la 'Crime And Punishment', but here his situation itself is repeatedly excepted. ("நானாவது ரெண்டு குறள் சொல்லிப் பொழச்சுக்குவேன்.")
That brings me to the much-discussed sociopolitical commentary in the film. I must say, I'd not stress too much on the film's "failure" on these fronts because it could be viewed primarily as a portrait of "God's lonely man," naturally in first-person narrative; nevertheless, it also attempts to give a commentary on the socioeconomic reality. (I'll just steer clear of discussing whether the film is "anti-IT" or any such thing. The film doesn't warrant that sort of reading in my view.)
The filmmaker's concern for the economic chasm between the different strata of society is much appreciated, but what the film actually manages to delve into and raise questions is reduced to something as narrow as our education system. Small-time businessmen, blue-collar jobs, anyone? (I do understand that the protagonist is talking for himself, but what does the filmmaker do in showing it? Does he manage to show the overall picture? Instead, he talks about, what else, other courses available -- History
padichchavan, Geography
padichchavan etc. That's so much like how an academician usually talks about the worth and the overall importance of various available courses.)
It's repeatedly suggested that how Prabhakar is a good student and it's only incidental that he chose Tamil as his major subject. (We're also told he's the one who taught his comp. sci. student roommate to speak English in campus interviews.) That is all right, but what's with this thrusting of a notion of "merit," the presence of a "worthy" quality? This is really a major cop-out, in my view. (That someone
should get a good job because he completed a course with a good merit -- regardless of what course he/she did -- is itself absurd, but let's not even get into it as yet.) Is it not ironic that a film that wants to examine the glaring economic differences between the neo-urban upper middle-class and the "underprivileged," doesn't bother to look beyond just "merit." Is it totally fair if economic success is borne out of just academic merit (yeah, yeah regardless of the stream one is in)? Does the film deal with these questions? The film, once again, excepts the protagonist's situation deliberately, he has a good score "and yet" chooses Tamil. This is really fine, but the intellectualistic approval that the film seems to seek for its protagonist by virtue of his "merit" and "credentials" is appalling.
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From: P_R
on 19th January 2008 07:57 PM
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Beautiful Post equanimus.
I usually struggle to have achieve this sort of balance when organizing my thoughts (let alone writing them) on why I liked something. I will try.
To begin with, the sociopolitical commentary was something that was absolutely immaterial to me. To use your words
Originally Posted by
equanimus
The film doesn't warrant that sort of reading in my view
I was sorely disappointed that, this was the only thing that the mainstream media seemed to be concerned with.
Permit me a ramble:
How many times have we had a super-man impression about someone only to see him shrink on closer inspection ? The half-scary half-reassuring truth is: noone has a clue ! The world full tentative opiners who hold in awe those who 'act'. Most of the genius of those who acted and the perfection of their actions is just ex-post 'rationalization'. We wish to see the difference, to create prophets. Like the man who asks Forrest Gump if he is running for World Peace.
Apparently a journalist asked Orson Welles why he dug the floors to and place the camera below the feet when Kane and Jedidaiah talk after the election. "Was it to show them to be larger than life men - which was the core of the film ?". Welles replied: "Well I thought it would look good !".
What maks the artist ? To be precise what is it that makes him different ? To me, this movie seemed to be all about that. It is in that context that I find this line disturbingly universal (sic)
பக்கத்துவீட்டுக்காரன் பல்சர் வாங்குனான்....வயிறு எரியுது. ஒரு கை சக்கரையை அள்ளி டேங்குல போட்டேன். எதோ என்னால முடிஞ்சது....பொண்டாட்டி குழந்தைன்னு ஆயிருச்சு....உங்களுக்கு அதெல்லாம் இல்லை அதான் செஞ்ச்சிட்டீங்க
The whole interview process is extremely well written. Prabhakar's superiority, the condecension coupled with the barely masked eagerness to be understood came out extremely well.
You are perhaps right that the different strands do not seem to belong to the same film. But I thought the sentimental flashback seemed was in good contrast to what he has become now.
eppidi irundha naan.....
When I was a teen, I was toying with the idea of writing a good multi-chapter novel in first person that ends abruptly when the narrator is run over by a truck. I seriously thought nothing could drive home the ugly absurdity of death better
I don't recall any other Tamil film that showed death so hauntingly. You could almost feel the loss and way it keeps haunting him. How can such a man grow up to dish death out in such a dispassionate, judgemental manner ? Like many questions about this film, it is more rewarding to pose it thus:
Well, it seems unlikely. But imagine it did happen that way, then isn't it disturbing ?
His first moral fall, so to speak, coincides with his 'sensitive' side being exploited by unworthies.
என் ஆனந்திக்கு எழுதவேண்டிய லெட்டரை... I see this as a continuation of the same theme.
It is that night that he takes it out on the chap in the car. Again, a pretty ordinary scene with some hyper-acting which received wide appreciation. Hey ! I am beginning to sound superior myself...quite infectious I say
I am not appalled as you are by the portrayal of Prabhakar as a meritorious exception pigeonholed as a Munusamy. I see that as pretty central to the whole scheme of things. The whole movie, to me, is all about the right applause reaching the right people. Not as noble as it sounds because to the artist this is something very personal. As this is steeped in judgement, it becomes hopelessly (and charmingly) subjective.
ATM-kku veLiyila irukkuravan line reminded me of another flawed prophet: Tyler Durden of Fight Club :
"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars" Admittedly imperfect analogy but the avamaanam is brought out well in both statements. And what a change from the standard Tamil
dikinity of labor shite.
As I warned when I started out. Coherence and watertight logic would have scarce above. Dispassionate analysis well nigh absent.....hey I think now I know why I like the film
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From: crajkumar_be
on 19th January 2008 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
ATM-kku veLiyila irukkuravan line reminded me of another flawed prophet: Tyler Durden of Fight Club : "God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars" Admittedly imperfect analogy but the avamaanam is brought out well in both statements. And what a change from the standard Tamil dikinity of labor shite.
Yeah but Tyler Durden doesn't make himself an exception (or does he)?
PR,
Are you saying that you are fine with the film barring the parts in which the director tries to "justify" or explain Prabhakar, or in spite of it? The line you quoted (where Prabhakar says he is NOT justifying or exaplining) is fine but dont you think the director does try to "deliver judgement"?
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From: crajkumar_be
on 19th January 2008 08:21 PM
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Before i posted i should have said
to Pr/Equanimus!
I repeat, idhellAm apadiyE varradhu dhAnla?
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From: thilak4life
on 19th January 2008 08:39 PM
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Nice rap PR and Equanimus
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From: equanimus
on 21st January 2008 01:48 PM
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You've made some great points, PR. Here are my rambles in response.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
You are perhaps right that the different strands do not seem to belong to the same film. But I thought the sentimental flashback seemed was in good contrast to what he has become now. eppidi irundha naan.....
Prabhu Ram,
The lack of any cohesion between the various strands was my major gripe with the film. It's the "eppadi irundha naan...." back-stories that cry out loud for sympathy for the character ("despite what he has become now" and all the jazz), and there's just too much of "reasoning" (and rationalization even) in them.
The tragedy of the universal human condition it tries to portray is really "beyond" such melodrama, and nostalgia for the childhood innocence, if you will. Artistically, it's a cop-out even, to support the portrayal of the protagonist character film with such a "history" because the portrayal of the tragedy of human condition in this light is truly "beyond" such melodrama. What if the protagonist had a mundane upbringing after all? (I hope you don't dismiss this as "dispassionate analysis!"
I don't like at all being dispassionate or to analyse, or even worse, to dispassionately analyse, though I may end up doing all of them.) Is it that he won't become like a Prabhakar? So, if it's just the barrage of twists of fate in his life that has made him this, then where's the human tragedy here? Surely, not everyone goes through this kind of tragic twists of fate? And, it's exactly this kind of tragic past that's showed to us to ably "support" his condition that easily meets the audience's approval.
On one hand, there were the mainstream media reviewers were restlessly crying out loud that "what the protagonist does in the film is totally wrong, the film is anti-IT etc." (I wholeheartedly agree with you there, hence the rather snobbish remark from me), on the other, we had the kind of reviews that approved of these "back-stories" as a sort of "validation" for the protagonist's condition. Of course, I'm not saying that personal tragedies are irrelevant with regard to the making of Travis Bickles, but "beating down" the protagonist's life with this condition by contriving more and more "accidents" is rather uninspiring.
Here again, I've to go back to the excellent
pithamagan, there, we had another "God's lonely man" as the protagonist (his foster father even calls him so in the beginning of the film), and there's not really that much a back-story about how he came about to what he has become. Of course, his being brought up in and around a 'sudugAdu' is one. But, Bala doesn't force in any kind of explanation here. (Why, this is one of the major criticisms that the film and the conception of such a character received! Many among the audience weren't "convinced" that just because someone is born and brought up in a sudugAdu, he'll become like Siththan. But, I think that's one of the successes he achieved in the film. To let him just be.) I distinctly remember Vikram talking about how they approached the character. He said, a person like Siththan could have even been a doctor for all you know. It's just that he's like it. Bala doesn't seek for the audience's approval, nor is he giving one himself. That's why Siththan is both terrifying and impenetrable (to all the characters, and the audience as well) beyond a point.
Siththan doesn't deconstruct himself the way Prabhakar does oh-so-completely in the film. This is not a problem in itself (after all, Prabhakar is a lot more self-aware than Siththan), but what I'm trying to say is Siththan is not totally out to get your sympathy, while Prabhakar to a large extent is. There's a wonderful throwaway moment in 'pithamagan.' Towards the end of the 'iLangAththu vIsudhE' song, we see Siththan breaking out with his funeral song/hymn. We cut to Gomathi giving him a stern look, her eyes have welled up with tears but she's also very angered. Is she angry with him or just sad? She seems to know that Siththan has gone way too far to come back, but at the same time, she's very angry with him that he doesn't try enough to come back, to "socialise." For her sake. Only Gomathi who's in love with him will react to his callousness like this. It's this callousness that is explained to no end in 'Kattradhu Thamizh.'
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From: equanimus
on 21st January 2008 02:49 PM
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[More responses... Damn, I should be the last one complaining about verbosity.]
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
How many times have we had a super-man impression about someone only to see him shrink on closer inspection ? The half-scary half-reassuring truth is: noone has a clue ! The world full tentative opiners who hold in awe those who 'act'. Most of the genius of those who acted and the perfection of their actions is just ex-post 'rationalization'. We wish to see the difference, to create prophets. Like the man who asks Forrest Gump if he is running for World Peace.
I hope I didn't come off as equating "artistic expression" to "intellectual thought" (*shudder*) when you read my first post. Artistic expression is truly beyond thoughts that is borne out of mere rationale. I guess you're trying to say about 'Kattradhu Thamizh' something similar to what Jeyamohan wrote in his review of Kalloori: "உள்ளர்த்தங்களே இல்லாத நேரடியான இந்த உணர்ச்சிவெளிப்பாடு..." I'd not really use these words for 'Kattradhu Thamizh' though, because, to me, there does seem to be something "indirect" (as in the opposite of "நேரடியான") about the way Prabhakar's character is conceived and how his situation (loss of innocence) is explicitly explained, as if being defensive.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I am not appalled as you are by the portrayal of Prabhakar as a meritorious exception pigeonholed as a Munusamy. I see that as pretty central to the whole scheme of things. The whole movie, to me, is all about the right applause reaching the right people. Not as noble as it sounds because to the artist this is something very personal. As this is steeped in judgement, it becomes hopelessly (and charmingly) subjective.
The "avamAnam" of a Tamil graduate is indeed very important to the film's central premise (the various other strands notwithstanding). But, it's in the character's mind that the "avamAnam" of being sidelined despite being meritorious looms uncomfortably large, and he trips. That the film has only this to say -- that a really *good* Tamil student doesn't get as *good* a job as many average to *good* students from some other courses do, is what is appalling, especially because it so vividly attempts to capture the two sides of the city -- the two people who live in it, the one inside the ATM and the one outside it. Forget the 'should', *does* the real life business depend so much on merit? Which is why the intellectualized approval (not even intellectual approval) that the film seeks for its protagonist bothered me. Anyway, as I said before, I'd not stress that much on this, but the film didn't seem to meaningfully look at the "ordinary" everyman (who doesn't score a distinction or first-class, but barely manages to study one of these degree courses).
All said, though I didn't come out really satisfied with the film, it is still one of the better films of 2007 for me. It has a very strong premise, some sparkling dialogue (as if to even it out, it's often frustratingly clichéd at other places). And, of course, technically, it's quite superb. The fluid editing when the film cuts back and forth between the past and present, and the background score especially add much to the film.
Entirely aside note:
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
When I was a teen, I was toying with the idea of writing a good multi-chapter novel in first person that ends abruptly when the narrator is run over by a truck. I seriously thought nothing could drive home the ugly absurdity of death better
Whoa, I've "recited" many such stories myself! The absurdity of the protagonist of a story dying just like that has fascinated me many a time. Something you can find in many Kieslowski's films. And, in fact, that's why films that show such absurd deaths and then sentimentalize it (Paruthiveeran, for instance) put me off.
The only pEi kadhai (not a big fan of pEi kadhais, so I had to put my twists into it...) that I ever recited was about a man walking alone on an abandoned, seemingly endless road, and he hears a voice that addresses itself as a ghost and asks him to turn back... He refuses, part boldness and part fear of the consequence, and keeps walking. And, they've a little chit-chat. After a while, the conversation comes to a moot point and he doesn't hear the voice anymore. And, then, he turns back. anga mudikkaREn.
So, I'm not alone, after all.
The recent one I was thinking about was a novel that's stops abruptly because the writer doesn't feel like writing it anymore. No, I'm serious. I think it has some fascinating dimensions to it.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2008 05:23 PM
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Thank you thilak and CR.
Wow equanimus ! Now you are helping me get why I like what I like.I remember a good three years or so back in the Hub the very same point came up for discussion that
a vettiyaan does not need to be like Siththan. And I have always maintained, it was the story of a vettiyaan named Siththan who happened to be like the way he was. No further explanation is needed here.
But there is something curiously unique about Sidhdhan. He is no position to be aware of how he is perceived and would know that many people warrant an explanation for his existence. OTOH Prabhakar is talking to us from start to finish. He can pretend to be dismissive of our company. He can dismiss a suicide note as a ritual. But he has to talk and gets the cameraman Huan Suang (btw whatta name !) to talk to.
So I do not take these past incidents as any justification. Only failed attempts at justification. "indha ulagam ennai m**** nadaththichchu...andha oru thuLi raththam ennai sivan aakkichchu" does not evoke sympathy or a sense of liberation (from ?). As I see it, it is not meant to either. It is just a method-in-his-madness statement which is attractive in this world. And in some possible world, perhaps logical.
That he excepts himself is something I see as something in pattern with his quest for exception, in the true sense of the word. The more selfless his actions the more noble the revolutionary isn't it ?
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Artistically, it's a cop-out even, to support the portrayal of the protagonist character film with such a "history" because the portrayal of the tragedy of human condition in this light is truly "beyond" such melodrama.
True. Side note: I think it is the director Sidney Lumet who coined an expression called the "rubber ducky school of drama". It stands for : someone once took his rubber ducky away from him, now he is a serial killer
Whether Prabhakar's flashback is "necessary" or not is a difficult question. I thought everything about the flashback was about every meaningful relationshiop he had was torn apart by death or separation. That he had nothing to lose (pulsar argument) and all the maanam to regain is crucial.
Human Tragedy vs. Personal Tragedy is a very interesting angle. I can see it is going to occuppy me for a while. The validity and the beauty of the "vs." need very careful consideration. A knee-jerk wrt Kattradhu Thamizh is this: The saviour, is not an everyman just as an artist is so not a "vEdikkai manidhar".
So, his tragedy is personal. But where is there space for understanding let alone acceptance of a problem so intensely personal ? He has to rely on meagre words to "explain" and suffer loss in translation ("abirAmi uLLe irukku...."). He is faced with the backbreaking constraint of having to make sense. He has to risk inane non-responses like : "romba correct- saar...." or worse still "ivaLuga irukkaaLugaLE...". Swines gobbling up his pearls.
All this had come out extremely well in this film.
Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
PR, Are you saying that you are fine with the film barring the parts in which the director tries to "justify" or explain Prabhakar, or in spite of it? The line you quoted (where Prabhakar says he is NOT justifying or exaplining) is fine but dont you think the director does try to "deliver judgement"?
CR, my Tyler analogy was admittedly imperfect. I only brought it up as a statement that brought out the searing pain of an avamaanam that will not be acknowledge by outsiders. But I do feel that Tyler's "we" is fake (never mind that Tyler himself is
).
The film is not fine in many parts. I still have
same blood dripping from my ear thanks to the horribly naive: "get me a burger dude" that is supposed to set the scene in the saaftware kampEni.
You have hit the nail on the head on something I was trying to slirt and deny: that the director has at some level tried to justify and explain. (Which is related what equanimus has also been saying).
He has tried to and that is what lets the film down. There I have said it.
Just that: the deconstruction, even if it is the director's eagerness, has been, atleast in part, passed on to Prabhakar himself by the way the character has been created.
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From: equanimus
on 22nd January 2008 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
So I do not take these past incidents as any justification. Only failed attempts at justification. "indha ulagam ennai m**** nadaththichchu...andha oru thuLi raththam ennai sivan aakkichchu" does not evoke sympathy or a sense of liberation (from ?). As I see it, it is not meant to either. It is just a method-in-his-madness statement which is attractive in this world. And in some possible world, perhaps logical.
Actually, PR, I didn't take these back-stories (or, the "history" if you will) as any "justification" at all, but rather as attempts to "explain" his condition, to "reason" out his madness.Which, I thought, were disconnected and didn't add much to the film.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
That he excepts himself is something I see as something in pattern with his quest for exception, in the true sense of the word. The more selfless his actions the more noble the revolutionary isn't it ?
That the protagonist excepts himself in a way is indeed key to the film. But, the film itself doesn't look beyond that. I brought this up primarily to say how it works against the film's attempts (not the protagonist's) to give a meaningful social commentary.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
This way, the film excepts the protagonist at many places, not just content with showing him as just another everyman in the underprivileged lot. I very much appreciate the psychology bit here, the protagonist is going to think of himself that way, a la 'Crime And Punishment', but here his situation itself is repeatedly excepted.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Side note: I think it is the director Sidney Lumet who coined an expression called the "rubber ducky school of drama". It stands for : someone once took his rubber ducky away from him, now he is a serial killer
Wow, thanks, this is what I wanted... This piece! "Rubber ducky" school of drama. Sidney Lumet nails it there, that's what I've been struggling to say in the last few posts. Thanks guys, Prabhu Ram, Thilak and Bala, this was an enlightening discussion, one of the best Tamil film-related discussions I've participated in recent times.
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From: equanimus
on 22nd January 2008 12:55 AM
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[Apropos of nothing... Apologies in advance.]
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Whether Prabhakar's flashback is "necessary" or not is a difficult question. I thought everything about the flashback was about every meaningful relationshiop he had was torn apart by death or separation. That he had nothing to lose (pulsar argument) and all the maanam to regain is crucial.
So, his tragedy is personal. But where is there space for understanding let alone acceptance of a problem so intensely personal ? He has to rely on meagre words to "explain" and suffer loss in translation ("abirAmi uLLe irukku...."). He is faced with the backbreaking constraint of having to make sense. He has to risk inane non-responses like : "romba correct- saar...." or worse still "ivaLuga irukkaaLugaLE...". Swines gobbling up his pearls.
All this had come out extremely well in this film.
Oh, I'd definitely stop short of even thinking on those lines -- whether a flashback (or any other part of a film for that matter) is "necessary" or not, on general principle. We as the audience would have to take it as it comes, I'd say.
The interview between Prabhakar and Huan Suang (yeah, whatta name) was indeed well written. And, that was a great expression that you use there, "swines gobbling up his pearls."
That reminds me (and hence this post), some of the recurring rhetorical questions with respect to the "loss in translation," (and the futility of it all, if you will) do condescend to the viewer (Huan Suang is, of course, the stand-in for the audience) at some points. This didn't bother me at all but for its rhetorical excess (after all, the Huan Suang kind of response is also one of the possible audience responses, it's alright to even expect it to be the most probable) -- and, of course, it also brings in the fascinating dimension of the broken bridge between the artist and the audience that you've made note of.
But, on an aside note, many filmmakers don't seem to give (what I'd call as) "the human connection" the due respect it deserves. We the audience "connect" to (in a very direct way) and "accept" some of the most inexplicable things (inexplicable in terms of rationale) and unacceptable things (as per the societal norms, that is) so seamlessly and unselfconsciously when watching a film or reading a book. Hitchcock (who's as mainstream as it gets) has some great insights to offer on this matter. He says, there's a bit of pervert in everyone of us, and that's why his thrillers work. That is to say, the audience watching a character committing a crime, more often than not, wants the committer of crime to get away with it; because they "connect" to the character. This is central to his films, he says, because (I'm extrapolating here, not paraphrasing him; if someone thinks I'm being indulgent, please pass on a whip, I'll do a Janakaraj a la 'Kizhakku Vaasal'
) they're not really "disgusted" as far as the the "disgust" is not "thrust upon" them by the director (who's the master puppeteer here) based on how "valid" he thinks the crime is. As Hitchcock doesn't deliver his judgement (the judgement of the master puppeteer), the crime is so seamlessly "understood" by the audience in his films. Of course, one may ask, what the real meaning of "thrusting upon" is, and what just showing it "as is" is. There's no real distinction (and there's no real "as is") obviously, but thought this is worth mentioning in this discussion.
Here's a superb excerpt (do
NOT read it if you haven't seen
Rear Window; taken from
here) that brings about that aspect from the brilliant documentary "Rear Window Ethics" where Peter Bogdanovich discusses his masterpiece,
Rear Window, with the inimitably "oh, come, it's just a movie!" Hitchcock.
Peter Bogdanovich (interview)
In that film, we're on Stewart's side, because basically, you have made us, the audience, Peeping Toms too.
Alfred Hitchcock (interview)
Definitely.
Peter Bogdanovich (interview)
lsn't there something rather pathetic and rather sympathetic about the murderer's confrontation at the end?
Alfred Hitchcock (interview)
There is.
Peter Bogdanovich (interview)
Stewart doesn't even answer him.
Alfred Hitchcock (interview)
He can't. The poor man, you know. It’s the climax of the Peeping Tomism, isn't it?
Peter Bogdanovich (interview)
Yes. Why did you do it?
Alfred Hitchcock (interview)
If you hadn't been a Peeping Tom, l'd have gotten away.
Peter Bogdanovich (interview)
At that point, for the first time, one says to oneself, "That Stewart's a bit of a bastard." You feel for Burr. He says, "Why'd you do that?" and Stew doesn't answer.
Alfred Hitchcock (interview)
He can't. What can he say?
Peter Bogdanovich (interview)
He's really caught, in a sense, he's caught with his pants down.
Alfred Hitchcock (interview)
Caught with his plaster down.
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From: thilak4life
on 22nd January 2008 03:11 PM
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Thanks for that Hitch excerpt, Equanimus.
Secondly, thanks for this discourse. Could connect to both the arguments. I'm in agreement with PR's reading. I would also treat this "excepting" as the character's attempt to romanticize his actions (in any case, it doesn't rationalize his case, does it?), and this is not to be treated as the film's attempt. The film doesn't offer a socio-politcal commentary. The film avoids a direct opining of the character, though the character invites Huan Suang's comments, and for a brief period, the snippets of various public reaction, thanks to the press - but these are made instinctive discharges from the protagonist's narration (one directly in discourse, thus rendering a more "emotionally" charged view, and the other indirectly transposed by the press, thus the public are always theologizing this character). The writer doesn't open up a "real time connection" to Prabhakar! Why, the writer is reluctant of showing something like Gomathi's reaction to Siththan's callousness (wonderful scene that by the way). We don't see a similar compassion in KT, through Anandhi,etc. Instead, we see Prabhakar pivoting this reaction through his narration. My two cents..
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From: Cinefan
on 22nd January 2008 05:37 PM
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Equanimus,PR&thilak ,A huge bow from me for the thought process and the beautiful way in which it is put down.
As Bala rightly said,ithellam thaana varradhu dhaan.
But unfortunately,I cannot connect as am yet to see the movie,Will catch up with it&revisit these posts.
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2008 01:17 PM
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Thilak,
As I’ve already noted at length, my major gripe was with the “arbitrarily” conceived back-stories so that the protagonist could be “safely identified” as someone who’s been thoroughly unfortunate in his life, having had to face one tragedy after another, and all his madness is, sort of, “shouldered” by these tragic events in his past. That is just so “Rubber ducky” school of drama! (Many thanks to PR for throwing light on the much useful expression.
)
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I would also treat this "excepting" as the character's attempt to romanticize his actions (in any case, it doesn't rationalize his case, does it?), and this is not to be treated as the film's attempt.
Again, my point is about how the “situation” of the protagonist is itself repeatedly excepted, NOT about how he thinks of himself. The point isn’t really about whether the director “takes sides” with Prabhakar or not. He may as well do that. But, it is the filmmaker who excepts the protagonist from the “everyman” situation, by positing him as someone “really meritorious.” By doing this, the film just plays in to the notion of “merit,” and seeks an intellectualistic approval (note, I’m not saying intellectual approval) of sorts for its protagonist. This is what, I believe, was Bala’s point too. Tyler, though speaking *his* mind, is not exceptional in anyway; and he’s speaking for everyone, “an entire generation.”
I had a somewhat similar problem with another film recently –
Taare Zameen Par, though I liked the film. While it insists that every child is special, shows a “failure” kid, we later realize that, after all, the kid is exceptionally talented in some other “side-stream.” The film, it seemed, despite all its sincere intentions, can’t see beyond portraying the kid as some sort of “achiever.”
Anyway, as I said, I’d not like to stress too much on this problem...
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From: thilak4life
on 23rd January 2008 01:49 PM
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Got it Equanimus. I did see this “really meritorious.” position of the protagonist troubling. I was giving my opinion on this "excepting" in general. Anyway, this has been an enlightening exchange. Thanks!
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2008 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Why, the writer is reluctant of showing something like Gomathi's reaction to Siththan's callousness (wonderful scene that by the way). We don't see a similar compassion in KT, through Anandhi,etc.
And, I think you didn't read my comment on 'pithAmagan' the way I meant it (blame it on my rambling). I was making note of the "unfavourable" dimensions of Siththan that are brought out in that film, like when we see Gomathi's heartfelt anger when Siththan breaks out into singing the funeral chant all of a sudden. (I just got carried away talking about the film, you see, musing on how sensitively the supporting characters like Gomathi are etched in the film... I was trying to say, only she, among all the friends and well-wishers of Siththan, will "see" him like that.) Like how terrifying and just impenetrable Siththan actually is, to many people in the film.
There are no such dimensions to Prabhakar. Throughout the film, he's either the painfully unlucky man whose all chances of a possible mundane life are mutilated by Murphy's law, or the man who trips and goes to the very extreme, but only to come back once he gets to unite with his Anandhi. (And, what else would Anandhi do here but pitiably ask, "nijamA thAn solRiyA?") A 'Taxi Driver'-like denouement, minus the subversion!
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2008 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
I guess you're trying to say about 'Kattradhu Thamizh' something similar to what Jeyamohan wrote in his review of Kalloori: "உள்ளர்த்தங்களே இல்லாத நேரடியான இந்த உணர்ச்சிவெளிப்பாடு..."
Not at all. உள்ளர்த்தங்கள் நிறம்பி வழியும் படம் என்றே நினைக்கிறேன். கலைஞனுக்கும் [கொலைஞன் ?
] வாசகனுக்குமான உறவை இதுபோல எந்த தமிழ் படமும் ஆராய்ந்ததில்லை. இது முழுக்க முழுக்க உள்ளர்த்தங்களில் தான் இருக்கிறது.
So I am with you when you say there was a lot that is "indirect" in this film. My ramble about the shrinking superman etc. was to set the stage for my explanation that KT was about the "broken bridge".
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Forget the 'should', *does* the real life business depend so much on merit?
It does not. Which is what he is also getting at with his perception of 'merit'.
If I understand you right, your concern is with the celebration of meritocracy itself (nonexistent as it may be): the very depiction that it is ultimate solution. Did I get you right ?
That is a very mature concern. We need to pass some stages of 'perfection' and decadence before that question starts becoming relevant. (I don't think I will be able to explain that sentence
)
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Which is why the intellectualized approval (not even intellectual approval) that the film seeks for its protagonist bothered me.
I saw it as the approval Prabhakar was seeking. Which is why I said that it is the character himself who makes the effort to except himself. His 'insult' -at some level - is the world tagging him as 'yet another'. So I take the 'despite being good' part a little lightly. Prabhakar does subscribe to some sort of 'Fools Die' argument. He only objects to the definition of 'fools'
Originally Posted by
equanimus
anga mudikkaREn.
That's a really good finish.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
The recent one I was thinking about was a novel that's stops abruptly because the writer doesn't feel like writing it anymore. No, I'm serious. I think it has some fascinating dimensions to it.
Read something not exactly like this...i.e. the end is not abrupt. It is a novel called "The Lie" by an Italian writer :Alberto Moravia. It is written in first person. The narrator maintains a diary, the stated purpose of which is to extract a novel out of it at a later date. In parallel the events that go into the contents of the diary unfold. Whether the life/truth is recorded in the diary/novel or whether the novel drives life becomes a tricky transition. At one stage the balance tilts so much that it becomes impossible to write the novel. The narrator throws the manuscript away. The novel which was his life dream for which he made so many decisions/choices which changed him as a person.
Iis not 'abrupt'. It does in fact show you the background for why he stops writing it. The novel is incomplete and you feel the irresolution. The meta-novel (if that's the word) doesn't urge you to judge the narrator but gets you close to understanding why he did what he did. Not the most engaging of novels but exceedingly good peep into the 'losses' of writing. I have a weakness for these works that pretend to take you behind the screen to show you the process of creation (eg. Adaptation).
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Thanks guys, Prabhu Ram, Thilak and Bala, this was an enlightening discussion, one of the best Tamil film-related discussions I've participated in recent times.
Same here. Thank You.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
...they're not really "disgusted" as far as the the "disgust" is not "thrust upon" them by the director (who's the master puppeteer here) based on how "valid" he thinks the crime is.
Hmmm....this is making me uncomfortable I say
Thanks Cinefan. But try to subtract all the hype that we have managed to create, before you watch the film.
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From: thilak4life
on 23rd January 2008 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Why, the writer is reluctant of showing something like Gomathi's reaction to Siththan's callousness (wonderful scene that by the way). We don't see a similar compassion in KT, through Anandhi,etc.
And, I think you didn't read my comment on 'pithAmagan' the way I meant it (blame it on my rambling). I was making note of the "unfavourable" dimensions of Siththan that are brought out in that film, like when we see Gomathi's heartfelt anger when Siththan breaks out into singing the funeral chant all of a sudden. (I just got carried away talking about the film, you see, musing on how sensitively the supporting characters like Gomathi are etched in the film... I was trying to say, only she, among all the friends and well-wishers of Siththan, will "see" him like that.) Like how terrifying and just impenetrable Siththan actually is, to many people in the film.
There are no such dimensions to Prabhakar. Throughout the film, he's either the painfully unlucky man whose all chances of a possible mundane life are mutilated by Murphy's law, or the man who trips and goes to the very extreme, but only to come back once he gets to unite with his Anandhi. (And, what else would Anandhi do here but pitiably ask, "nijamA thAn solRiyA?") A 'Taxi Driver'-like denouement, minus the subversion!
No no, I did get what you're saying. What I'm saying though is that the film is best without such "dimensions" from the supporting characters (the ones that are personal to him), and the writer has made sure that he's to filter such dimensions. You bring in "Taxi driver", thats another film with supporting actors not to give such a dimension! Which is key to how the film progresses..
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From: equanimus
on 24th January 2008 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
If I understand you right, your concern is with the celebration of meritocracy itself (nonexistent as it may be): the very depiction that it is ultimate solution. Did I get you right ?
That is a very mature concern. We need to pass some stages of 'perfection' and decadence before that question starts becoming relevant. (I don't think I will be able to explain that sentence
)
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I saw it as the approval Prabhakar was seeking. Which is why I said that it is the character himself who makes the effort to except himself. His 'insult' -at some level - is the world tagging him as 'yet another'. So I take the 'despite being good' part a little lightly. Prabhakar does subscribe to some sort of 'Fools Die' argument. He only objects to the definition of 'fools'
Very well put. Yes, that was precisely my problem. What a sellout it is to merely object to a certain definition of 'fools' and not in the least bit problematize the 'fools die' argument or the definition of 'fools' itself! As you put it, Prabhakar is portrayed as "a meritorious exception pigeonholed as a Munusamy." That captures the essence. I definitely am with you about Prabhakar making the effort to except himself and seeking an approval for himself being the key, but that the film doesn't manage to "look" beyond that, not even a wee bit, was appalling to me. What is it if not seeking a sort of intellectualistic approval?
I'd say, all this is not over-analysing the film at all, these are "qualities" that most good films do possess. Just an (unrelated) example. An outright fun song like '
Gun Ganapathi' from
Oram pO (not to mention the film itself) has the finesse to depict the film's setting as just a condition of life, and not as an exception to it, nor as the undoing of the characters inhabiting it. If at all anything, the trouble is only with the way I am expressing these thoughts.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
So I am with you when you say there was a lot that is "indirect" in this film. My ramble about the shrinking superman etc. was to set the stage for my explanation that KT was about the "broken bridge".
Oh, okay, I was actually wondering if you used the "shrinking superman" expression to say how the artist expresses things without being conscious of them. (I actually meant to stress the "
நேரடியான இந்த
உணர்ச்சிவெளிப்பாடு..." part and not the "உள்ளர்த்தங்களே இல்லாத" bit.) And by "indirect," I meant the opposite of "நேரடியான," something like 'conscious,' and not really 'multi-layered.' But, I am with you with respect to what you say about the உள்ளர்த்தங்கள் of the "broken bridge," but the payoff (!), I thought, was not really that worthy. I consider a film like Anurag Kashyap's
No Smoking, a dreamy meditation on the human struggle between individualism and collective consciousness, to be having a worthy payoff, without resorting to cheap intellectualism and high-handedness. There, the filmmaker portrays the conflict not as "exclusive" but "universal."
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From: equanimus
on 24th January 2008 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
No no, I did get what you're saying. What I'm saying though is that the film is best without such "dimensions" from the supporting characters (the ones that are personal to him), and the writer has made sure that he's to filter such dimensions. You bring in "Taxi driver", thats another film with supporting actors not to give such a dimension! Which is key to how the film progresses..
Umm, I actually don't get what you're driving at.
Why is the film best without "such dimensions"? What do you mean by "the ones that are personal to him"? Don't we really not get to see what the supporting characters (that are close to Prabhakar) feel about him? Heck, we do all the time, except that there's (almost) nothing revelatory about it. Anandhi serves just as a two-dimensional cardboard piece that "supports" Prabhakar in his journey. All she does in this film is to be the mute, "unquestioning" soul of Prabhakar. We see her get tortured by different people at different times, cry pitiably, and then ask Prabhakar, "
nijamA thAn solRiyA?" everytime he lends her a hand, amidst the twists and twirls that their respective lives take. She isn't a least bit puzzled or estranged seeing him after he has gone through so much. (Of course, he goes through a quickfix therapy of sorts and "gets back his innocence.")
Obviously, the point here is not
to bring out the various dimensions of the central character! But about showing the supporting characters as three-dimensional beings who exist on their own in the film, even as it (being a first-person narrative) stays with its protagonist. As for 'Taxi Driver', don't we see the discomfort and the indifference of the various supporting characters towards Travis, for starters?
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From: thilak4life
on 24th January 2008 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Obviously, the point here is not to bring out the various dimensions of the central character!
This is precisely what I'm driving at (analogizing Siththan's
callousness, which was brought out by Sangeetha's character). I got that impression that you're suggesting that with,
Originally Posted by
equanimus
I was making note of the "unfavourable" dimensions of Siththan that are brought out in that film, like when we see Gomathi's heartfelt anger when Siththan breaks out into singing the funeral chant all of a sudden.
Regarding Taxi driver again,
Originally Posted by
Thilak
You bring in "Taxi driver", thats another film with supporting actors not to give such a dimension! Which is key to how the film progresses
Betsy, Iris and others don't give such a "dimension" to the central character!
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From: equanimus
on 24th January 2008 09:41 AM
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Oh! No, I was just commending the way different dimensions of Siththan are brought out in the film instead of just straitjacketing him in broadly simplistic "this-is-how-he-works" terms, as the case quite often is with Prabhakar of 'Katradhu Thamizh'. Not because it's actually brought out by showing how a supporting character feels about him! That was just incidental, as I gave that scene as an example. (It's absurd to say that other characters in a film, for whatever time they last, *should* bring out some dimension of the central character!
)
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From: thilak4life
on 24th January 2008 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Oh! No, I was just commending the way different dimensions of Siththan are brought out in the film instead of just straitjacketing him in broadly simplistic "this-is-how-he-works" terms, as the case quite often is with Prabhakar of 'Katradhu Thamizh'. Not because it's actually brought out by showing how a supporting character feels about him! That was just incidental, as I gave that scene as an example.
I stand corrected..
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From: Devar Magan
on 7th February 2008 06:17 PM
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Highly depressing and disturbing movie.. Very well made.. technicallly, the best movie in recent times IMHO..
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From: equanimus
on 24th June 2008 11:50 PM
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Ram, the director of this film, has started his own
blog. [
Via.] The written script that he had originally drafted for the film can be found
here. Also, I saw that he has
mentioned about Prabhu Ram's review as the review that he felt was closest to his vision of the film, and has asked to convey his thank-you note to Prabhu Ram. solliyAyiRRu.
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From: Nerd
on 25th June 2008 08:32 AM
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Congrats PR, a director appreciating a review is no mean achievement
Did you post it elsewhere or raam visited mayyam ? :P
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From: joe
on 25th June 2008 08:38 AM
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PR
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From: Kalyasi
on 25th June 2008 09:10 AM
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From: Thirumaran
on 25th June 2008 09:29 AM
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From: Roshan
on 25th June 2008 10:12 AM
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From: joe
on 25th June 2008 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
Can any one post the line or para where he mentions about Prabhu's review?
என் பட விமர்சனங்களை முன்பே படித்து இருக்கிறேன் வலையில்.
எனக்கு என் படத்திற்கு வெகு அருகில் இருந்தது திரு. பிரபுராம் என்பவருடைய விமர்சனம். அவரை அறிந்தவர் இந்த பின்னூட்டத்தை காண நேரிட்டால் என் நன்றியைத் தெரிவிக்கவும்
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From: thilak4life
on 25th June 2008 10:48 AM
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Good for Ram (Not Prabhu). For the quality of critique from PR , it's about time too.
Next should be Kamal.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 25th June 2008 11:07 AM
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pr,
soobarabu...abbu...soobarabu
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From: kannannn
on 25th June 2008 12:54 PM
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PR, super
!! I second Thilak
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From: selvakumar
on 25th June 2008 02:20 PM
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PR
I think you might not have posted your review in other places. Ram might be in the hub, I guess.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 25th June 2008 03:27 PM
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Kalaivignani Prabhu Ram
எனக்கு என் படத்திற்கு வெகு அருகில் இருந்தது திரு. பிரபுராம் என்பவருடைய விமர்சனம்
Enough said!
Yes, Thilak sonna mAdhiri, Aandavar should read writeups of PR and other great writers here on films like Thevar Magan, Mahanadhi and Hey Ram.... especially PR's deconstruction of Thevar Magan and his "alternative ending" for Mahanadhi!
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From: ajithfederer
on 25th June 2008 09:57 PM
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Sooperbb pr
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From: P_R
on 25th June 2008 10:30 PM
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Thank you folks !
Originally Posted by
equanimus
solliyAyiRRu.
Special thanks to equanimus. I saw your post this morning. Couldn't reply earlier could I read his blog well yet. One of those days...
He seems to have the whole script in English ! Wow !! Read a start-note to the script which was itself quite impressive.
Originally Posted by
Nerd
Did you post it elsewhere or raam visited mayyam ?
I didn't post anywhere. Was toying with the idea though. After one helluva discussion with equanimus, I started compiling some of the posts and re-writing them in Tamil. Then I just lost fizz..
திலக், பாலா அப்பிடி எல்லாம் நடந்தா நான் தரையிலிருந்து குறைந்தபட்சம் ரெண்டு இன்ச் உயரத்துல பறக்க ஆரம்பிச்சிடுவேன்
Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
..."alternative ending" for Mahanadhi!
It was ages back ! I'm flattered you remember that
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From: jaiganes
on 25th June 2008 10:35 PM
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PR-
time 4 u to start writing a script buddy.
go to
www.zhura.com
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From: equanimus
on 26th June 2008 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
He seems to have the whole script in English ! Wow !! Read a start-note to the script which was itself quite impressive.
Yes. I think he said the same thing (whatever is there in that start-note) in some interview of his, when speaking about the film.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I didn't post anywhere. Was toying with the idea though. After one helluva discussion with equanimus, I started compiling some of the posts and re-writing them in Tamil. Then I just lost fizz..
Ah, yes. That discussion happened much later, right? Actually, I had been meaning to write about
kaRRadhu thamizh (in my blog) ever since I watched the film last year. (I had even promised to do so in a couple of places, but my laziness preempted everything else.) It's a film which I really liked overall, but also had quite a few reservations about. That's how I came about to post in this thread, when I read some hubber expressing some similar point about the film.
Nevertheless, it's easily one among the best films of 2007. Early this year, I thought of coming up with the list of films I liked in 2007. The list is pleasantly long for 2007 (a rarity in itself), but rating films in a certain definitive order without qualifications is always a burdensome task (at least, for yours truly) and one easily gets tired of it.
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From: cancer
on 26th June 2008 11:49 AM
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From: raaja_rasigan
on 26th June 2008 02:14 PM
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PR
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From: Sanjeevi
on 26th June 2008 03:52 PM
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PR
I think our hub is getting famous in tamil film industry
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From: littlemaster1982
on 26th June 2008 09:16 PM
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PR
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From: MADDY
on 27th June 2008 10:38 AM
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i remember shankar saying in an interview that if people can understand 40% of wat director tries to say in a movie, then movie becomes a hit.........i think PR always gets 100%, however complex the creator and creations are
its very hard to think from the perspective of the creator
.........to sync with his thoughts and get a acknowledgement from him abt the same is great.....
...........i remember telling NOV (4th peg) that PR is a asset to hub and he is better than most of so-called critics today
As bala annan said, its time that ppl, like kamal start reading this and give his opinions
.....
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From: crajkumar_be
on 27th June 2008 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
..i remember telling NOV (4th peg)
4thu feg-a??? I'm reminded of Lalwani's haunting dialaak from Hey Ram ("perru kooda nyabagam irukkaaa?")
Originally Posted by
MADDY
...that PR is a
asset to hub and he is better than most of so-called critics today
.....
idhu dhaan asset-kum asattuthanama vimarsanam panravaingalukkum vithyasam!
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From: MADDY
on 27th June 2008 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by
MADDY
..i remember telling NOV (4th peg)
4thu feg-a??? I'm reminded of Lalwani's haunting dialaak from Hey Ram ("perru kooda nyabagam irukkaaa?")
Originally Posted by
MADDY
...that PR is a
asset to hub and he is better than most of so-called critics today
.....
idhu dhaan asset-kum asattuthanama vimarsanam panravaingalukkum vithyasam!
yea.......
seriously bala, i rate reviews and views from equa, PR, thilak, u, Nerd (at times :P ) more than these rajeev masands and khaild mohammeds and even madhan most of the times
.....suhasini can take training from us - on promise from her that there shuldnt be reverse osmosis effect
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From: P_R
on 28th June 2008 12:12 AM
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Thank You folks !
MADDY
Am reminded of GM's dialogue in Chinnathambi "ayyO ellArum pugazharaangaLE.....ennikki sikki sinnAbinnam aagappOrEnO !"
Originally Posted by
crajkumar
I'm reminded of Lalwani's haunting dialaak from Hey Ram ("perru kooda nyabagam irukkaaa?")
small nitpick not nyAbagam....nenaippu
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Ah, yes. That discussion happened much later, right?
True. My first post was more of a recommendation than a review. It was the series of posts exchanged later in a discussion with you and Thilak that really fleshed out the movie so well. I posted a thank you note in his blog where I have mentioned that we discussed his movie rather extensively here in the Hub.
The English script in the blog is a must-read for those who liked the film. For those who have read pretend shooting-scripts with things like INT. CUT TO/ thrown in for the professional look this one is a welcome change.
It is more like a long short story. I remember reading about how Maniratnam and Sujatha wrote Dil Se. Apparently MR would explain it and they'd discuss and then he would have Sujatha write each scene as a short story, from which he extracted the shooting script. I really see why that makes sense.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 28th June 2008 12:22 AM
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vaazthukkaL PrabhuRam
i cudnt recall if u had posted dasa review
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From: Sinthiya
on 28th June 2008 12:31 AM
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ohhh....wow PR
...nice!
I don't enjoy reading reviews, unless they are short and simple
...but your review for Dasa was spot on! well written and honest!
good for you for getting the recognition you deserve...
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From: Wibha
on 28th June 2008 12:38 AM
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congrats PR
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From: ThalaNass
on 28th June 2008 07:31 AM
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COngrats PR
Originally Posted by
Director Ram
ஜாக்கி சேகர் என் பெயர் ராம். தலை அல்ல. தலையின் ரசிகர் மனதை புண் படுத்தாதீர்.
ராம்
OMG!!!
Hats off Ram Sir
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From: Vivasaayi
on 10th July 2008 08:15 PM
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katradhu tamizh
*I usually like the films where protogonist narrate his feel.
the way jeeva narrates and the dialogues were "nethiyadi"
*The best romance in the recent times...and it is as good as johnny,varumai niram sigappu... "nesamathan soldriya" ...
*jeeva is the best actor of this generation.impeccable dialogue delivery .
*music,photography,lyrics -
*the relationship between the hero-heroine,the kid and the warden or even between karunas and jeeva ...everything well established.
but...
*showing every policemen as villain,the attendant at the martuary to be cruel at that juncture or even his friend who says "avlothan avanuku culture" to his girlfriend looked stupid.
i liked the dialogue which pr points as the crux of the movie
"kadhaiku than kaaranam ellam...neja vaazhkaiku adhellam kidayadhu"
another logical flaw in the movie...in the climax the police in the bus says that he went last week for 3 thousand..endha police panam kuduthu porainga?
i dint have anyone to talk with in my relations home...switched on the system and really enjoyed the movie.
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From: joe
on 15th July 2008 06:54 AM
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Singapore Hubbers,
Vasantham central telecasting 'Katrathu thamizh' on 19th saturday at 9.30 PM
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From: MrJudge
on 26th August 2008 10:55 AM
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I was browsing through the news channels last week and one story was about someone got killed because of a iPod. I am not sure why it happened, whether it was an attempt to steal it or listening to it between two people. Before I could get the whole story it was over. KT flashed in my mind as soon as I heard it. Whatever the reason, in KT there was a dialogue warning about this kind of incidents would be happening.
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From: HBK
on 1st September 2008 10:48 PM
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Finally watched the movie. To say i'm impreSSed is an understatement. I'm not good in explaining like some of you here, but I'm in love with the movie.
And, Kamal would have been proud of that kid (jEEva)
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From: Thirumaran
on 2nd September 2008 10:48 AM
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Tomm in Kalaignar TV Katrathu Thamizh it seems
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From: sarna_blr
on 2nd September 2008 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Tomm in Kalaignar TV Katrathu Thamizh it seems
I am planning to watch it
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From: viraajan
on 2nd September 2008 11:10 AM
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From: HonestRaj
on 2nd September 2008 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Tomm in Kalaignar TV Katrathu Thamizh it seems
I am planning to watch it
I too like to watch it... but I'll be missing this time.. I am not worried for this, because anyway they will be repeating for Ayudha pooja or Deepavali
The only advantage in kalaignar TV, they repeat it so fast
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 2nd September 2008 12:15 PM
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Tamil movies?No problem.I get dvd rips like hell now.So many new sites.I never worry for missing any movie.Will watch Tamil M.A with friends on TV morro!
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From: sarna_blr
on 2nd September 2008 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
HonestRaj
Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Tomm in Kalaignar TV Katrathu Thamizh it seems
I am planning to watch it
I too like to watch it... but I'll be missing this time.. I am not worried for this, because anyway they will be repeating for Ayudha pooja or Deepavali
The only advantage in kalaignar TV, they repeat it so fast
Pala ariya padangalayum pOduvaanga
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 02:48 PM
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I am watching KATRADHU THAMIZH!
Godddddddddd plz dont ever watch it!
all timid hearts stay away!
Whoa jeeva rocks! as ever I remain his fan!
Oh....I dont wanna watch the movie....I dont know why I am watching it, but I WOULD WATCH IT FULLY.
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 02:51 PM
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Padam nerya per keezpakkathukku anupidum pola
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From: Roshan
on 3rd September 2008 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I am watching KATRADHU THAMIZH!
Godddddddddd plz dont ever watch it!
all timid hearts stay away!
Whoa jeeva rocks! as ever I remain his fan!
Oh....I dont wanna watch the movie....I dont know why I am watching it, but I WOULD WATCH IT FULLY.
SP,
Neenga Sivaji mudhal Jeeva varai ellA nadigargaLukkum fan'nu nenekiREn :P
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 05:09 PM
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Paarthaachu ! Good movie. First half was average. Second half was good though the last speech looked like a long boring lecture from a communist leader. The take away at the end of the movie is Jeeva's performance and the dialogues. Karunas was good esp his reaction whenever Prabhakar cuts him abruptly !
The scene in which prabhakar explains the background about the hot water
EKSI ! Quite archaic !
My favorite scene was room mate's reaction towards Prabhakar. Few sequences were quite good. The struggles of a tamil pundit somehow didn't appeal to me. Looked lot more exaggerated or artificial. Had it been a guy who pulls rickshaw or drives auto or someone along that line, it might have appealed. (Not sure though !) Jeeva's sudden changes looked lot more rushed and vague.
Surprisingly, Yuvan's BGM was average esp the last 1 hour. When Prabhakar and Ananthi are recalling the old memories, bgm was quite blank. Same goes to the RR during Prabhakar's speech..
Overall, a good movie. Bayantha maari illai.. Will post more if I get sometime.
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
SP,
Neenga Sivaji mudhal Jeeva varai ellA nadigargaLukkum fan'nu nenekiREn :P
<dig> Except MGR and Ajith
</dig>
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From: viraajan
on 3rd September 2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Paarthaachu ! Good movie. First half was average. Second half was good though the last speech looked like a long boring lecture from a communist leader. The take away at the end of the movie is Jeeva's performance and the dialogues. Karunas was good esp his reaction whenever Prabhakar cuts him abruptly !
The scene in which prabhakar explains the background about the hot water
EKSI ! Quite archaic !
My favorite scene was room mate's reaction towards Prabhakar. Few sequences were quite good. The struggles of a tamil pundit somehow didn't appeal to me. Looked lot more exaggerated or artificial. Had it been a guy who pulls rickshaw or drives auto or someone along that line, it might have appealed. (Not sure though !) Jeeva's sudden changes looked lot more rushed and vague.
Surprisingly, Yuvan's BGM was average esp the last 1 hour. When Prabhakar and Ananthi are recalling the old memories, bgm was quite blank. Same goes to the RR during Prabhakar's speech..
Overall, a good movie. Bayantha maari illai.. Will post more if I get sometime.
hmmm... well i agree with some of you points. I disagree as well.
I think only few scenes were artificial and exaggerated, rather irritating (especially the hot water scene). Not "lot more as you said"
Yuvan's BGM was really excellent... there were few scenes where it masked the dialogue. But thats ok. The main theme music was really excellent.
As you said, the sudden changes in Jeeva's look is due to the change of the tense (I don't know if i'm explaining it the right way). But there were confusions in the tense. Suddenly i asked myself "is this a flashback or present? ).
barring these confusions and artificial scenes, i was very much impressed with the debutant director. The movie was a very good experience, like a journey, to me. I loved it.
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 06:50 PM
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The discussion might sound like "shabba ! thirumbavumaa" to many. Sorry guys - I saw the film only today
viraajan,
I think only few scenes were artificial and exaggerated, rather
irritating (especially the hot water scene). Not "lot more as you said"
I am not sure which school was shown. Unless the school was started last night, a teacher won't be paid Rs.2000/- as the base salary. Also, Not sure whether a guy who got 1100 marks and learn t tamil due to sheer love and passion will end up getting a job like that. I am not exactly blaming these things as major flaws. They just seemed exaggerated. The director's immaturity was also reflected in few scenes. Rs.2 Lakh salary.
And 7 vayasila kalyaanam aayiduchu
However, I really liked how he portrayed the impact of huge diff in the salary, the societal change, rent difference etc. Few scenes were quite nostalgic
(esp Life in chennai mansion, financial inability and reaction against the upper class - who spend their time in beaches & spencers ) Direction in these scenes
The reaction of city peters on guys who don't know how to communicate in english. Unable to recollect few other scenes.
Yuvan's BGM was really excellent... there were few scenes where it masked the dialogue. But thats ok. The main theme music was really excellent.
The biggest let down for me was BGM in the last 1 hour. Just imagine the below scenes with the BGM. The scene in which
- Prabhakar meets Ananthi as a prostitute.
- When both recollect their childhood memories
- The climax
huh... what was Yuvan doing ?
Appadiyae urukki vanthirukka vendaamaaa ?
barring these confusions and artificial scenes, i was very much impressed with the debutant director. The movie was a very good experience, like a journey, to me. I loved it.
I like the movie. I find this a good one. (if not a great movie). The director has touches of Kamal and Balu Mahendra
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 06:55 PM
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I shall write a bit about my perspective later.
Selva ungalai mathiryEEE oruthan tv la nadichutu irukaan(nga) :P
/dign
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From: Nerd
on 3rd September 2008 06:56 PM
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Selva, you are only the second person here to say that the BGM was below par (I was the first
) I found the BGM loud and jarring in a lot of places. And yes the movie was sort of artificial in a few places and many scenes were forced and a few IT related things were exaggerated. But I found the hot water sequence quite OK and romance was the best thing in the movie, esp the Maharashtra scenes :P
Jeeva was OK but he went over the top in a few places.
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I shall write a bit about my perspective later.
Selva ungalai mathiryEEE oruthan tv la nadichutu irukaan(nga) :P
/dign
hub la naan payapadura ore comment ithu thaan
oh Noooooo !
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
Selva,
you are only the second person here to say that the BGM was below par (I was the first ) I found the BGM loud and jarring in a lot of places. And yes the movie was sort of artificial in a few places and many scenes were forced and a few IT related things were exaggerated. But I found the hot water sequence quite OK and romance was the best thing in the movie, esp the Maharashtra scenes :P
Jeeva was OK but he went over the top in a few places.
I remember reading your review and your criticism on the BGM. But couldn't get it from the previous pages. Konjam thedi paarthu sollalaama
Nerd, I liked Jeeva's reaction in the IT campus and towards the BPO employee. It was well executed and looked quite logical too. :P I liked jeeva's questions to the girl, on the tag line in her T-shirt
His explanation in the last scene was more or less a general reaction from a normal man.
But I didn't know why the guy has to be sort of mentally retarded. It was not at all necessary to convey that. well.. whatever... I myself had felt like that many times when I came to chennai for work :P
But hot water scene
I was feeling like "shabba !! ". Beg to Differ on the romantic part. It was quite lengthy and for that length impact was little comparatively. Agree with you on the MH scenes. Quite good. The girls performance in many scenes
But her reaction in the prostituion house after seeing Jeeva
it was like "oh ! nee thaanah "
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From: viraajan
on 3rd September 2008 07:15 PM
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I am not sure which school was shown. Unless the school was started last night, a teacher won't be paid Rs.2000/- as the base salary. Also, Not sure whether a guy who got 1100 marks and learn t tamil due to sheer love and passion will end up getting a job like that.
It happens selva. The base salary for any Tamil/history teacher is 2000 or 2500 in the govt school. Only in Matriculation school, teachers are paid a decent scale. I assumed that the school shown there was a govt school. [jeeva yen oru mat school join pannala-nu ketka koodathu
]
I am not exactly blaming these things as major flaws. They just seemed exaggerated. The director's immaturity was also reflected in few scenes. Rs.2 Lakh salary.
It's not immaturity, it is rather "Stomach combustion"
However, I really liked how he portrayed the impact of huge diff in the salary, the societal change, rent difference etc. Few scenes were quite nostalgic
(esp Life in chennai mansion, financial inability and reaction against the upper class - who spend their time in beaches & spencers ) Direction in these scenes
The reaction of city peters on guys who don't know how to communicate in english. Unable to recollect few other scenes.
Completely agree..
The dialogues during these scenes were very sharp. Eg. Neenga saapidura our pitzaa-ku neengalum kolla padalam... Then, the dialogue about the slogans written on gal's t-shirt
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I shall write a bit about my perspective later.
Selva ungalai mathiryEEE oruthan tv la nadichutu irukaan(nga) :P
/dign
hub la naan payapadura ore comment ithu thaan
oh Noooooo !
sorry
I know u would say this, but couldn't resist saying it
sorry :P
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From: viraajan
on 3rd September 2008 07:19 PM
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enna SP akka. Tamil MA pudichurundhucha
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 07:24 PM
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Vinith,
Couple of my sisters are working in a govt school. Few of my aunts are teachers. One among them - ph.D in tamil.
I know their salaries and I think what is shown in this movie is
hmm... let us leave that.
Completely agree..
The dialogues during these scenes were very sharp. Eg.
Neenga saapidura our pitzaa-ku neengalum kolla padalam... Then, the dialogue about the slogans written on gal's t-shirt
Few weeks back a guy was commenting on the present chennai in vijaytv's neeya naanah. At one point, he was saying like "Vegu viraivil intha nagaram panakaarargal mattum vaazhum nagaramaaga maarum vaaippu athigam"
compared to other states like KN, I think we are thinking a lot on the future. In KN, protests are happening now only. But chennai yoda future / present state ah konjam nallavae kaamichirukkar
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 07:25 PM
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Vinith,
Couple of my sisters are working in a govt school. Few of my aunts are teachers. One among them - ph.D in tamil.
I know their salaries and I think what is shown in this movie is
hmm... let us leave that.
Completely agree..
The dialogues during these scenes were very sharp. Eg.
Neenga saapidura our pitzaa-ku neengalum kolla padalam... Then, the dialogue about the slogans written on gal's t-shirt
Few weeks back a guy was commenting on the present chennai in vijaytv's neeya naanah. At one point, he was saying like "Vegu viraivil intha nagaram panakaarargal mattum vaazhum nagaramaaga maarum vaaippu athigam"
compared to other states like KN, I think we are thinking a lot on the future. In KN, protests are happening now only. But chennai yoda future / present state ah konjam nallavae kaamichirukkar
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 07:25 PM
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solren
I watched it mainly for JEEVA.
Had it been vishal or vinay or Arya I would NOT have watched
Selva,
The above said heros are the ones I AM NOT FOND OF (not mgr or ajit
)
MGR or Ajit nalla padam nadicha parpen,
but vishal or arya or vineeth nalla padam nadicha kooda parka matten
Roshan,
Enakku nalla performance kudikara elaarume pudikkum. I am a fan of any good movie.
Shivaji, kamal, rajnikanth and madhavan I LOVE them irrespective of their good or bad performance. I am a permanent fan of these whereas a temporary fan of others (whenever they give good perf)
/dign
vr,
movie pathi apram solren
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From: ajithfederer
on 3rd September 2008 07:26 PM
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Teachers working in Government school get a very decent pay compared to the abysmal levels shown in the movie.
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From: viraajan
on 3rd September 2008 07:28 PM
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yes. drastic change in culture, custom, tradition, of course the economy also. 5 years back the traffic was very less in our area... now,
cars, two wheelers... this traffic evinces that ppl are getting richer...
but as a character in the movie says, "oru thurai mattum valarchi petra adhu nalladhu illa. ella thurai-layum valarchi vandha than adhu paripoorna valarchi".
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 07:28 PM
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SP,
neenga enna sonnalum, I am unable to think in that angle (esp after few of your comments on vijay and few other stars). :P Sari vidunga...
&
sorry Embarassed I know u would say this, but couldn't resist saying it LOL
ithu konja perukku puriyaathu.. puriyaama irukkattum... secret ah maintain pannunga... ok vaa... venumna unga LCD tv ya vera yaarukku venumnaalum vithukonga
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From: MADDY
on 3rd September 2008 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
Teachers working in Government school get a very decent pay compared to the abysmal levels shown in the movie.
my anni joined in a govt school for a salary of Rs6K.....this is starting salary.....
ofcourse, the difference is still high betn govt and IT jobs, but it cud have been brought out in a very normal manner unlike KT where it was a very extreme view of this situation.....i thot simbudevan brought out this difference beautifully in Arai en 305-il kadavul within 5 minutes
......(that was the only good thing abt that movie, anyways).......
also, there are so many avenues for tamil speaking people like films, tv channels, politics (remember TR's press conference - try to tell me, thamizhan-ya
) .....anyways, i missed the movie today too
, will watch it some other time......
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 3rd September 2008 07:36 PM
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athu konjam nerudalA thAn irukku.I'm from a family filled with teachers on one side and engineers on the other.Both almost enjoy equally good standards of life.I don't know exact facts,but teachers earn a lot nowadays.They do these tution,write books,etc. and are quite wealthy(Qoting from the same Neeya naana,one teacher told that he'd come to the show in a Skoda
)
Some scenes anyways are amazing-the midnight scene on the road,the scene with the kids in the mountain(superb camera).
A special :
to azagamperumAl.
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From: viraajan
on 3rd September 2008 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
Teachers working in Government school get a very decent pay compared to the abysmal levels shown in the movie.
my anni joined in a govt school for a salary of Rs6K.....this is starting salary.....
my knowlege konjam obsolete i think
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From: ajithfederer
on 3rd September 2008 07:40 PM
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My sister, aunts and a couple of other cousins are working as teachers. They get paid a very decent - good salary. AFAIK 2000 rupees salary is lie. My sister started on 4000 and now it has reached 13k thanks to experience and higher degrees. You can promote yourself from schools to colleges based on how you sell your educational services.
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
Teachers working in Government school get a very decent pay compared to the abysmal levels shown in the movie.
my anni joined in a govt school for a salary of Rs6K.....this is starting salary.....
ofcourse, the difference is still high betn govt and IT jobs, but it cud have been brought out in a very normal manner unlike KT where it was a very extreme view of this situation.....i thot simbudevan brought out this difference beautifully in Arai en 305-il kadavul within 5 minutes
......(that was the only good thing abt that movie, anyways).......
also, there are so many avenues for tamil speaking people like films, tv channels, politics (remember TR's press conference - try to tell me, thamizhan-ya
) .....anyways, i missed the movie today too
, will watch it some other time......
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd September 2008 07:46 PM
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From: HonestRaj
on 3rd September 2008 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
Roshan
SP,
Neenga Sivaji mudhal Jeeva varai ellA nadigargaLukkum fan'nu nenekiREn :P
<dig> Except MGR and Ajith
</dig>
add "Vijayakanth" too :P
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 10:11 PM
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yeah I aint too fond of vijayakanth except his story and perf in few movies like "amman kovil kizhakkale" "chinna kaundar" etc "
but I supp I cant rate my liking for vijayakant and mgr in the same league. I cant compare them! I sit and watch mgr movies full length, I dont sit for vjkt movies
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From: joe
on 3rd September 2008 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Few weeks back
a guy was commenting on the present chennai in vijaytv's neeya naanah. At one point, he was saying like "Vegu viraivil intha nagaram panakaarargal mattum vaazhum nagaramaaga maarum vaaippu athigam"
I think you mean the communist leader Mahendran
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From: joe
on 3rd September 2008 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
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From: joe
on 3rd September 2008 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
They do these tution
Yaaru Thamizh teacher-a
Thamizh tution-kku yaar poRanga
Btw, Agreed with Thamizh teachers also getting good salary ,few in my family too.
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From: ajithfederer
on 3rd September 2008 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
They do these tution
Yaaru Thamizh teacher-a
Thamizh tution-kku yaar poRanga
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 10:34 PM
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Okei herez what I think about this movie.
Had it NOT BEEN FOR JEEVA, I would NOT have sat thro this movie.
I suppose most directors feel
art film / good movie / sensible movie = portray dirt/filthy surroundings/oily faces/....oh.... oh I cant complain. They say, THEY SHOW realities
! (esp when it comes to person who happens to be in lower middle class)
Movie / Story has shown all extreme things which can go wrong for a person.
A probability of things going wrong 9 out of 10 times!
I refuse to accept the story as a slap on reality. Its EXAGGERATION to a very great extent. Not sure how to handle tamizh language's lack of respect, for the entire length of 2.5 hours, he has taken refuge pathetically in the knot of making our hero a psychopath too!
The recent trend is to slam the impact hard on viewers mind with VIOLENCE. Not just stabs but make it cruel, so cruel, that audience gasp in shock and disgust. They should feel nauseatic, yes, then uve touched their sensitive nerve, ur movie is sure a winning material.
I suppose this director has done subramanyapuram which is again a picture portaying REALITIES which shows pessimism with yet another angle!
A word or two to the director.
1. You can also find realities in middle class and upper middle class stories.
2. You can also see realities in small cute things in life which makes us smile and shows the ray of hope
3. Reality need not be with blood alone
4. Reality need not show terrorists or criminals alone
5. For a movie to have impact the end need not be a tragedy.
6. Even if it is a tragedy, it need not always be death, it can even be parting, sacrifices, other subtle pains.
7. I loved ur narrative style
8. Unique story, refreshing to watch amist sick masala ones. next time however watch out for holes and logical flaws in ur story with a magnifying lens. You may spot quite a lot
9. You have great potential, but for a change, why dont u try to utilise the same in making others smile?
10. Kudos to ur attempt, grand movie, def worth a praise, and they say its ur first attempt
11. We are looking forward to ur movie again, next time, promise to make us smile...for a change...with hope
and to Jeeva!
YOU ROCK as ever !
(may be I am biased... BUT STILL
)
for taking up challenging roles than, masala stories, or choc guy roles.
keep it up!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
I agree too
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 10:37 PM
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He could have avoided dog's blo*dy body smashed and boy touching muscle and tissues of his relatives!
nallathai kaaminga ppa!
reality nnu solli paakaravanga saavadikatheenga
:veryangry:
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 10:44 PM
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Best dialogue was
"தமிழ் படிச்சவங்க எல்லாம், சோடா புட்டி மாட்டிகிட்டு, ஜொல்னா பை மாட்டிகிட்டு, சாதுவா, பயந்து ஒதுங்கி போற இளிச்சவாயனுங்க, லொடக்கு பசங்கன்னு நினைச்சுடாதீங்க!
தமிழ் ஒருவனுக்கு ரௌத்திரமும் பழக்கும்"
It made me smile!
Also, "love for tamizh, need not keep you away from being affluent in english or other languages" jeeva character's affluency is commendable
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From: joe
on 3rd September 2008 10:46 PM
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SP,
UNmaiyilaye Nalla Review
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From: Roshan
on 3rd September 2008 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
SP,
UNmaiyilaye Nalla Review
Adhu review alla.. avanga uLLa kumuRal :P Nevertheless a good one
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From: joe
on 3rd September 2008 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
Originally Posted by
joe
SP,
UNmaiyilaye Nalla Review
Adhu review alla.. avanga uLLa kumuRal :P Nevertheless a good one
Antha padame oru ILainjanin kumuRal .. athukku SP-yin kumuRala ?
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 3rd September 2008 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Movie / Story has shown all extreme things which can go wrong for a person.
A probability of things going wrong 9 out of 10 times!
Remember the railway station scene?
AmA,nAn murugan thAn nee 65%,nAn 67%...athukku ippo enna paNNanum-kiRa?inga...inga karcIp vithukittu irukEn.
The director portrayed the 10th person,and showed one outta the rest.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 11:17 PM
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roshan, joe
unga vimarsanam innum azhaga irukkE
..
orE variyil
கற்றது தமிழ் = ஒரு தனிப்பட்ட இளைஞனின் குமுறல் = ஆற்றாமை ! Frustration!
avlo thaan!
___
intha orE kaaranathukaaga thaan Cheran movies enakku pidikuthu.
Reality movies / art movies ngara perla he does not paint only GORY facts.
His stories are like PAINTINGS, cute, nice beautiful ones. Which talks, cries, conveys with SILENCE more than dialogues.
Balachandar , Balumahendra! (ivangalum sensible movies eduthavanga thaan! ivanga kitterunthu niraiya kathukalaam!
kathi indri ratham indri, epdi impact undu panrathunnu )
Ippo kooda "AvaL appadith thaan" paarthaalo allathu "aaril irunthu aruvathu varai" paarthaalo manasu baadhikkum aLavu intha maathiriyaana violence portray panra padathil "ENAKKU" baadhippu varuvathillai.
Ofcourse movies are made for so many others , not just shakthiprabha types!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 3rd September 2008 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Movie / Story has shown all extreme things which can go wrong for a person.
A probability of things going wrong 9 out of 10 times!
Remember the railway station scene?
AmA,nAn murugan thAn nee 65%,nAn 67%...athukku ippo enna paNNanum-kiRa?inga...inga karcIp vithukittu irukEn.
The director portrayed the 10th person,and showed one outta the rest.
lol true, and I DID NOT LIKE the fact, he was ashamed about selling hankies!
Whats wrong!?!?!? I mean poverty is more painful. Money is important.
If u happen to take up a job, and IT FEEDS U, gives u clothing, BE PROUD OF UR JOB!
antha thozhilai mathikkanam, athu thanE soru poduthu?!??!?
ithila enna avamanam
(hmm.... kaNini munnadi ukaanthu, ac araiyil irunthu, type panna ithellaam type pannalaam, nijathil varutham irukkum.....)
Varutham should be on FATE, not on the current job which is FEEDING U! Antha thozhilukku mariyathai tharaama, thirutu thozhil panna mathiri avamanathaala kundri kuruga vendiya avasiyam illai!
Ive seen ppl being proud of their poverty (despite workng as clerk etc) they wont leave the job and sell idlis or open a potti kadai!
GOWRAVAM plays huge part than Money!
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From: Anban
on 4th September 2008 12:07 AM
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கற்றது தமிழ் , ஒரு திரைக்காவியம்
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From: jaiganes
on 4th September 2008 01:33 AM
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SP - nice thoughts on Katradhu thamizh.
When you say that the director should tone down and not exagerrate - you are only stating your preference and that is no slight on the movie - the movie is a well made one - it is a movie I dont' agree with at all - I did not connect to some of the emotions - but just because i couldn't it makes it any lesser - It is a gem of a movie and barring Jeeva's ottu dhaadi - Which I can take for obvious reasons - I have no gripes about the movie - True he has exagerrated - turned heat on some aspects more in comparison - but it is one helluva independant vision retold with un flinching devotion to chastity of his original thought - and that is a great accomplishment. When movies like KAtradhu thamizh get released, I sometimes feel that I don't have enough idea as to how to review (something that I have stopped doing since I saw Nandha, Raam and Pithamagan) or even write a note of appreciation - I feel that I need to learn and read more to appreciate these movies . They are literally movies that force you to push yourselves one level up. and that is once again a monumental achievment for a 2.5 hour movie. BTW was watching Terms of endearment and entire scene of Jack nicholson and Shirley McClaine driving a car on the beach - resulting in Jack Nicholson falling on the beach water has been faithfully recreated in "Nayagan" one of the all time best thamizh movies. Atleast Katradhu thamizh film can claim to stand in every scene on its own legs. If at all anything was borrowed - it was from thamizh literature - from Bharathi, Bharathidhasan etc., something that no thamizh creator can escape from..
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From: madhu
on 4th September 2008 06:29 AM
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கற்றது தமிழ் - ஒரு மாறுபட்ட முயற்சி என்பதை விட
different presentation என்றால் சரியாகப் படுகிறது.
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
GOWRAVAM plays huge part than Money!
இதனால்தான் நடிகர் திலகம் கூட இரண்டாவது படமாக "பணம்" என்ற படத்தில் நடித்த பிறகும் பிற்காலத்தில் "கௌரவம்" படத்தில் நடித்தாரோ ?
power adikka varum mun...
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From: RC
on 4th September 2008 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
yeah I aint too fond of vijayakanth except his story and perf in few movies like "amman kovil kizhakkale" "chinna kaundar" etc "
but I supp I cant rate my liking for vijayakant and mgr in the same league. I cant compare them! I sit and watch mgr movies full length, I dont sit for vjkt movies
Vijayakanth padaththa ninnukkittE paappingaLA?
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From: P_R
on 4th September 2008 08:31 AM
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Line of the movie for me:
என் ஆனந்திக்கு எழுதவேண்டிய கடிதத்தை...யாருக்கோ எழுதிட்டேன்
Rewatched in parts yesterday. It is not one of the movies that you get a lot out of when rewatching (i.e. nothing new) but it was nevertheless great to watch.
The psychiatrist scene was cut when I watched it in theatre. It was pretty ordinary actually.
The climax was very impressive IMO. The smile on Ananthi's face when she proposes the idea (one ear on the track) to Prabhakar and his smile in response. Very well done.
One of the best films we have had
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From: MrJudge
on 4th September 2008 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
AmA,nAn murugan thAn nee 65%,nAn 67%...athukku ippo enna paNNanum-kiRa?inga...inga karcIp vithukittu irukEn.
I have this question.
A guy who scored 1100 in +2 got only 65% in his bachelors degree that too in tamil the subject he loves?
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
AmA,nAn murugan thAn nee 65%,nAn 67%...athukku ippo enna paNNanum-kiRa?inga...inga karcIp vithukittu irukEn.
I have this question.
A guy who scored 1100 in +2 got only 65% in his bachelors degree that too in tamil the subject he loves?
Bachelors degree is tough na! :P
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From: MrJudge
on 4th September 2008 11:23 AM
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Though he takes that major because of his tamil teacher, I assume he loves the language.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 11:23 AM
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May be probability did not favour him to get good marks!
He wrote well but did not revalue for any of his papers
/Judge, There are logical flaws, I supp, we have to ignore those
/
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From: rangan_08
on 4th September 2008 11:26 AM
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KT is definitely one of the genuine attempts made in TFI. But unfortunately it has been widely critisized & rejected by a larger section of the public, press & media for its morose & dark theme.
I would appreciate the director bcoz he was able to convert his ideas in celluloid very effectively and without any compromises. The narration was so very straight & upto the mark without any sort of deviation.
Great performance by Jeeva - I think his voice added more substance to his performance (at times, he sounded like Karthik to me). He was so natural yet powerful in the scene before concluding the live recording session with Karunas. And the transcendental "thanDavam" which he performs on the river bank alongwith other sadhu in the " Innum ore iravu.." song is just awesome.
Director Azhagamperumal & Karunas deserve a pat.
I do accept that certain scenes were exagerated but that can always be brushed aside as we do the unbeleivable stunts in a masala flick.
The works of Yuvan & Ramji has undoubtedly lifted the standard of the film to a great extent.
All I wish the director is that inspite of the failure of his film at the BO , he should emerge again with another great film.
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From: MrJudge
on 4th September 2008 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
May be probability did not favour him to get good marks!
He wrote well but did not revalue for any of his papers
/Judge, There are logical flaws, I supp, we have to ignore those
/
Yeah, but that logical flaw is a very vital point. If he scores the maximum and gets gold medal or something at the university level, his life would have been different. I think the director deliberately made him to score less and fixed this route for Prabakar.
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From: selvakumar
on 4th September 2008 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Yeah, but that logical flaw is a very vital point.
If he scores the maximum and gets gold medal or something at the university level, his life would have been different. I think the director deliberately made him to score less and fixed this route for Prabakar.
If that is the case, we would have got the regular dialogue
B.A Gold Medal Sir !!
I think we will get a better idea if we get the POV of guys studying Tamil.
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From: selvakumar
on 4th September 2008 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by
madhu
கற்றது தமிழ் - ஒரு மாறுபட்ட முயற்சி என்பதை விட
different presentation என்றால் சரியாகப் படுகிறது.
I am confused on this ! I don't know on what category should I list this film.
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From: selvakumar
on 4th September 2008 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Best dialogue was
"தமிழ் படிச்சவங்க எல்லாம், சோடா புட்டி மாட்டிகிட்டு, ஜொல்னா பை மாட்டிகிட்டு, சாதுவா, பயந்து ஒதுங்கி போற இளிச்சவாயனுங்க, லொடக்கு பசங்கன்னு நினைச்சுடாதீங்க!
தமிழ் ஒருவனுக்கு ரௌத்திரமும் பழக்கும்"
That dialogue and the way Jeeva delivers it
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From: sarna_blr
on 4th September 2008 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
lol true, and I DID NOT LIKE the fact, he was ashamed about selling hankies!
Whats wrong!?!?!? I mean poverty is more painful. Money is important.
If u happen to take up a job, and IT FEEDS U, gives u clothing, BE PROUD OF UR JOB!
antha thozhilai mathikkanam, athu thanE soru poduthu?!??!?
ithila enna avamanam
(hmm.... kaNini munnadi ukaanthu, ac araiyil irunthu, type panna ithellaam type pannalaam, nijathil varutham irukkum.....)
Varutham should be on FATE, not on the current job which is FEEDING U! Antha thozhilukku mariyathai tharaama, thirutu thozhil panna mathiri avamanathaala kundri kuruga vendiya avasiyam illai!
Ive seen ppl being proud of their poverty (despite workng as clerk etc) they wont leave the job and sell idlis or open a potti kadai!
GOWRAVAM plays huge part than Money!
Personally I have experienced
romba kodumayaanadhu
x1... ennadaa padichchirukka ?
x2... Diploma
( perumayaa
)
x1... engada vEla paakkura ?
x2... Wilson garden pakkam, oru chinna company'la vEla paakkurEn
x1.. evlOda sambalam ?
x2... maasaththukku 1500 ruvaa tharaanga
x1... enkooda koththa vElaikku vaadaa oru naalaikku 100 ruvaa tharEn
( yElanamaana sirippu
)
x2...
idhu indha padaththula var'ra dialogue illa
4 varushaththukku munnaala, enakkum enga maamaavukkum idaila nadandha conversation
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From: selvakumar
on 4th September 2008 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
They do these tution
Yaaru Thamizh teacher-a
Thamizh tution-kku yaar poRanga
Btw, Agreed with Thamizh teachers also getting good salary ,few in my family too.
Joe - But I feel the situation will change. For joining engg and medical colleges, one need not concentrate on tamil and english before. They just have to concentrate on Physics, Chemistry and Maths. But now everything is important. Kids who are studying in english medium schools might find it difficult. Hence, a tuition for thamiz will be there down the line.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 4th September 2008 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
art film / good movie / sensible movie = portray dirt/filthy surroundings/oily faces/....oh.... oh I cant complain. They say, THEY SHOW realities
! (esp when it comes to person who happens to be in lower middle class)
Movie / Story has shown all extreme things which can go wrong for a person.
A probability of things going wrong 9 out of 10 times!
I refuse to accept the story as a slap on reality. Its EXAGGERATION to a very great extent. Not sure how to handle tamizh language's lack of respect, for the entire length of 2.5 hours, he has taken refuge pathetically in the knot of making our hero a psychopath too!
The recent trend is to slam the impact hard on viewers mind with VIOLENCE. Not just stabs but make it cruel, so cruel, that audience gasp in shock and disgust. They should feel nauseatic, yes, then uve touched their sensitive nerve, ur movie is sure a winning material.
sp,
realism need not be about how things happen for majority...we see a lot of mentals with long beards and hair blabbering in roads....are they born mad?
"taxi driver" robert de niro is not a common character that we come acroos in real life....but u r not sure that a person wouldnt be there like that.
imho this charecterisation is the personification of frustration of an individual..it couldnt happen in reality...but it could be the state of subconciousness...his dreams.....
amazing movie
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From: MrJudge
on 4th September 2008 12:09 PM
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namma oorla namakku enna pidikkumo atha seiyya yaarum vida maattaanga, oorukku enna pidikkumo athe thaan namalum seiyannum. moththathila aattu manthaiyila naamalum oru aada eppothum irukkanum.
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From: sarna_blr
on 4th September 2008 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
namma oorla namakku enna pidikkumo atha seiyya yaarum vida maattaanga, oorukku enna pidikkumo athe thaan namalum seiyannum. moththathila
aattu manthaiyila naamalum oru aada eppothum irukkanum.
naalu peru idhudhaan sarinu sonna naamalum aamaanjaami pOdanum, illaina nammala odhukki vachchiduvaanga
kazhudhaya paaththu kudhirainu 4 pEru sollumbOdhu
illa adhu kazhudhainu naama sonnaa
andha 4 pEru sEndhu nammala kazhudhayaakkiduvaanga
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From: P_R
on 4th September 2008 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
imho this charecterisation is the personification of frustration of an individual..it couldnt happen in reality...but it could be the state of subconciousness...his dreams.....
Well put.
EngO padiththathu:
Dreaming permits all of us to be a little bit insane every night of our lives.
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From: P_R
on 4th September 2008 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
namma oorla namakku enna pidikkumo atha seiyya yaarum vida maattaanga, oorukku enna pidikkumo athe thaan namalum seiyannum. moththathila aattu manthaiyila naamalum oru aada eppothum irukkanum.
Naama yaarum "individuals" kidayAdhE. We all have appendages. The "individual" with true free choice, without undue concerns about consequences, with an avowed disregard for hypocisy is one scary animal.
michcha pEr ellAm pulsar tank-la sakkaraiyai pOduvOm
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From: Roshan
on 4th September 2008 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
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intha orE kaaranathukaaga thaan Cheran movies enakku pidikuthu.
Reality movies / art movies ngara perla he does not paint only GORY facts.
His stories are like PAINTINGS, cute, nice beautiful ones. Which talks, cries, conveys with SILENCE more than dialogues.
Well put about Cheran movies and that's precisely why I rate him higher than our so called 'path breakers'
Anyway, my comment about Cheran has got nothing to do with KT as I have not seen the movie yet. So Cheran movies Vs KT'nu aarambichu yArum inga sanda pOttukka vEnaam.
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From: equanimus
on 4th September 2008 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
The psychiatrist scene was cut when I watched it in theatre. It was pretty ordinary actually.
Actually, there were a few scenes shown yesterday that were not in the theatre cut. In the first flashback (of his childhood), after the first scene (with kutti Anandhi) in the flush meadows, Prabhakar introduces (via voiceover) the postman uncle, his thAththa, pAtti and ammA to us.
The scene where he has himself shut in his room leads up to the psychiatrist scene you're referring to. I agree, it was pretty ordinary. Actually, the lead-up scene itself is quite labored IMO, with all the facile psychobabble.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
The climax was very impressive IMO. The smile on Ananthi's face when she proposes the idea (one ear on the track) to Prabhakar and his smile in response. Very well done.
The climax didn't work well for me. It was more sentimental than unsettling. Also, as Anandhi's character is hardly developed as the film proceeds (we just see her on and off), her condition seems much contrived. For the kind of film it is, the film degenerates to such lurid sentimentalism a bit too regularly that it's jarring. Time and again I felt like watching two different films (when I saw it the first time, that is).
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From: MrJudge
on 4th September 2008 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Naama yaarum "individuals" kidayAdhE. We all have appendages. The "individual" with true free choice, without undue concerns about consequences, with an avowed disregard for hypocisy is one scary animal.
michcha pEr ellAm pulsar tank-la sakkaraiyai pOduvOm
I am not expecting 'full freedom' from the society but atleast when comes to choosing one's career. Also I am expecting the society to respect individuals irrespective of their occupation/studies. Sadly we are losing our individuality for the sake of our society. In the US, still people are doing courses like Political Science and they make a career out of it. I am not sure about it precisely but from whatever I heard they do have a career and not being treated as untouchables, here only professional courses are considered studies. Rest are garbage according to the society that includes my family your family and every family. And as Raam rightly put it in an interview that all these so-called colleges are now producing money-making machines.
Will the new IT parents atleast let their children choose any career they want? or they will push them into the same well? My guess is 'same well'.
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From: P_R
on 4th September 2008 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Actually, there were a few scenes shown yesterday that were not in the theatre cut. In the first flashback (of his childhood), after the first scene (with kutti Anandhi) in the flush meadows, Prabhakar introduces (via voiceover) the postman uncle, his thAththa, pAtti and ammA to us.
The scene where he has himself shut in his room leads up to the psychiatrist scene you're referring to. I agree, it was pretty ordinary. Actually, the lead-up scene itself is quite labored IMO, with all the facile psychobabble.
Oh I saw only from the scene where he comes home after he send the courier that leads up to him hitting Kanagu.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
The climax didn't work well for me. It was more sentimental than unsettling.
It was sentimental no doubt. But it was not a oh-that-it-has-come-to-this tch tch endings. The natural full-of-life smiles on their faces as they run into the tunnel made a huge impression on me. "Innikku Tony-ai kaappAthidalaamA" should have been the last line. Raam's v-o was the only thing I didnt like about the ending.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Also, as Anandhi's character is hardly developed as the film proceeds (we just see her on and off), her condition seems much contrived.
Yes. The only thing that is of importance is how important Anandi is to Prabha. Even when he rues about the state of Madras (the drunken night) he is worried how Anandi's Bombay would be. Even his claimed sociopolitical concerns are rooted in the love-story.
That her presence in his life is passing and marginal is what makes things very haunting. She is the plunge to nowhere masquerading as the plunge to the halcyon days. She is many ways the simple kid she always was. He can screw being an intellectual and follow floating feathers....but reality will shoots bullets at him.
Jack : "That's very clever.....How's it working out for you ?"
Tyler: "What ?"
Jack : "Being clever ?
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From: rangan_08
on 4th September 2008 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
"taxi driver" robert de niro is not a common character that we come acroos in real life....but u r not sure that a person wouldnt be there like that.
Very true. I could relate more of Travis with Prabhakar in terms of a lonely, abandoned & disturbed person.
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From: equanimus
on 4th September 2008 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Also, as Anandhi's character is hardly developed as the film proceeds (we just see her on and off), her condition seems much contrived.
Yes. The only thing that is of importance is how important Anandi is to Prabha. Even when he rues about the state of Madras (the drunken night) he is worried how Anandi's Bombay would be. Even his claimed sociopolitical concerns are rooted in the love-story.
That her presence in his life is passing and marginal is what makes things very haunting. She is the plunge to nowhere masquerading as the plunge to the halcyon days. She is many ways the simple kid she always was.
Actually, I think the film falters exactly in this respect towards the end, without evoking any sense of irony in Prabhakar's condition. There's no disconnect whatsoever between Prabhakar and Anandhi after Prabhakar has gone through his motions to become what he is now. Imagine an Anandhi, flesh and blood, meeting this Prabhakar... But, Ram plays out this "reunion" as streamlined as possible, depicting Prabhakar's state almost as if it were binary -- either irreparably insane or childlike and innocent.
Otherwise, I agree with you to the extent that the climax in itself is well executed. But, when such a film culminates in a maudlin finale like this, it's jarring. I concur with you about Raam's voiceover, of course, but isn't that the sort of concluding note the film's finale was lending itself to?
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 4th September 2008 05:56 PM
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There was only one problem for me in the movie.It didn't have any positive effect.It doesn't enrich me with values.It was full of diffidence,oozing with failure and completely dark.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
There was only one problem for me in the movie.It didn't have any positive effect.It doesn't enrich me with values.It was full of diffidence,oozing with failure and completely dark.
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
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intha orE kaaranathukaaga thaan Cheran movies enakku pidikuthu.
Reality movies / art movies ngara perla he does not paint only GORY facts.
His stories are like PAINTINGS, cute, nice beautiful ones. Which talks, cries, conveys with SILENCE more than dialogues.
Well put about Cheran movies and that's precisely why I rate him higher than our so called 'path breakers'
Anyway, my comment about Cheran has got nothing to do with KT as I have not seen the movie yet. So Cheran movies Vs KT'nu aarambichu yArum inga sanda pOttukka vEnaam.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
realism need not be about how things happen for majority...we see a lot of mentals with long beards and hair blabbering in roads....are they born mad?
"taxi driver" robert de niro is not a common character that we come acroos in real life....but u r not sure that a person wouldnt be there like that.
imho this charecterisation is the personification of frustration of an individual..it couldnt happen in reality...but it could be the state of subconciousness...his dreams.....
amazing movie
Vicky,
I aint denying it. Thats precisely the thoughts I had "every bearded man would have a story like this, every mad man ranting on streets may have a story like this"
What I tried to convey was, let him not stick to the SAME cliche of showing EXTREME PESSIMISM alone (I said that cause of the talks on other movie subramanyapuram too) Had I known he has not directed subramanya puram, I would not have said, he is repeating dark sadness in his mvoies !
imho this charecterisation is the personification of frustration of an individual..it couldnt happen in reality...but it could be the state of subconciousness...his dreams.....
Excellently put! Extremely sensitive part of EVERY HUMAN MIND!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:13 PM
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niraiya sirukathaigaL vanthirukku.....though not slapping harsh....
"ஓ அவன் வீடு கட்டிடானா! படுபாவி, லஞ்சம் வாங்கி, பல்லை இளிச்சு, காக்கா புடிச்சு மேலுக்கு வந்த மானங்கெட்ட பய"
நேரே க்ருஹப்ரவேசத்தில்
"ரொம்ப சந்தோஷமா இருக்குடா! எப்டி இருந்த நீ எப்டி முன்னேறிட்ட! பெருமைய இருக்கு தெரியுமா!"
or even our grins and tolerance to managers or superiors
( I cant help remembering "albert pinto ko gussa kyoon aata hai" Anybody who knows this movie would know what I mean
)
முகத்திரை, கிழிக்கமுடியாதபடி, ஒட்டிக்கொண்டு, நம் முகமாய் மாறிவிட்ட திரை!
இது தான் நம்மில் பலரின் நிலை!
முகத்திரையை மாட்டத்தெரியாமல் தவிக்கும் சிலர், "பைத்தியம்" என்றோ "பொறுக்கி" என்றோ "அஹங்காரம் புடிச்சவன்" என்றோ "கோவக்காரன்" என்றோ முத்திரை குத்தபட்டு தள்ளிவைக்கபடுகின்றனர்.
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 4th September 2008 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
There was only one problem for me in the movie.It didn't have any positive effect.It doesn't enrich me with values.It was full of diffidence,oozing with failure and completely dark.
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
I am not a 'happy-ending' man.But still,movies like this really depress me.I didn't want it to teach me anything,but keep me happy or awestruck.I have seen very few good movies which I don't wanna watch it again like 'Life is beautiful'.'Katradhu Tamizh' is one of it.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:17 PM
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I do understand what u say
u pay money, and come back with depressed mind
I mean....I have enough problems myself plz!
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 4th September 2008 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
imho this charecterisation is the personification of frustration of an individual..it couldnt happen in reality...but it could be the state of subconciousness...his dreams.....
amazing movie
Excellently put! Extremely sensitive part of EVERY HUMAN MIND!
Exactly.We find some morons,we get frustrated and show our anger on a table---we bang over it or break a glass and then move away.Prabhakar starts banging the people.And I remember the 'travis bickle' comparison done previously!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
imho this charecterisation is the personification of frustration of an individual..it couldnt happen in reality...but it could be the state of subconciousness...his dreams.....
amazing movie
Excellently put! Extremely sensitive part of EVERY HUMAN MIND!
Exactly.We find some morons,we get frustrated and show our anger on a table---we bang over it or break a glass and then move away.Prabhakar starts banging the people.And I remember the 'travis bickle' comparison done previously!
இயலாமை
and percentage of iyalamai
Ways of expressing iyalamai
avlo thaan!
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 4th September 2008 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I do understand what u say
u pay money, and come back with depressed mind
I mean....I have enough problems myself plz!
Not exactly.The guy in my avatar-Alex D'large in A clockwork Orange in also a kinda sad climax.Anti-climax I should say.He kept me happy.And I still ain't sure of the fight club's sadness in the end.Nayagan also had a sad climax.All these movies still entertained me.But I won't call KT entertainment,or even enlightenment.It was an experience.
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From: MADDY
on 4th September 2008 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
but i feel the new wave of filmmakers are trying to "thinichhify" sadness/gloom/doom to make it a great film........subramaniapuram was heights of this trend.......sadness alone is not reality - come on, ch-28 is the most realistic movie i have seen in last 2-3 yrs
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 06:31 PM
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You are right maddy1 sadness thinicha hit aagidum ninaikaraangalonnu thonuthu
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 4th September 2008 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
but i feel the new wave of filmmakers are trying to "thinichhify" sadness/gloom/doom to make it a great film........subramaniapuram was heights of this trend.......sadness alone is not reality - come on, ch-28 is the most realistic movie i have seen in last 2-3 yrs
To me Chennai-28 is the #1 movie of the decade.Okay,since all such comparisons are being made with respect to better movies of recent times,athukkum oru list pOduvOma?
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From: P_R
on 4th September 2008 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
There's no disconnect whatsoever between Prabhakar and Anandhi after Prabhakar has gone through his motions to become what he is now.
Hmm...that's what was special. I recall a part in Ayn Rand's Fountainhead. Howard Roark - the 'hero' - meets the 'heroine' several months later. And they begin talking as if they have never been apart.
Another great romantic instance that I would like to recall is Kagaz Ke Phool. When Waheeda and Guru Dutt meet again, the Waqt nE kiyA song plays. The lines go
bEkarAr dil
is tarah milE
jis tarah kabhi
hum judA na thE
Yearning Hearts met as if
They had never been separated (lyrics by Kaifi Asmi)
(thanks to hubber Ramky aka Designer for the indhi translation)
I felt the Prabhakar-Anandhi romance was on such an extraordinary plane. Not that of other vEdikkar manidhar.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Imagine an Anandhi, flesh and blood, meeting this Prabhakar...
Imagine a flesh-and-blood Anandhi and the movie is dead right there. She is a "piece-of-divine" which the real-she cannot hope to live-up to (Abirami, abirami !)
Originally Posted by
equanimus
But, Ram plays out this "reunion" as streamlined as possible, depicting Prabhakar's state almost as if it were binary -- either irreparably insane or childlike and innocent.
Agree that the reunion was very convenient. Pieces of his life are falling right into place just too fast to be true. But even that seemed ironic in its improbability. Either that...or I just liked the film too much
Originally Posted by
equanimus
I concur with you about Raam's voiceover, of course, but isn't that the sort of concluding note the film's finale was lending itself to?
Yeah but to state it was to deflate it. "Tony-ai kaappaathalaama" followed by the spontaneous childlike exuberance of the two was just perfect. Last thing I wanted was a voice telling me about "why" they were running and the beauty of simplicity. Thankfully he didn't go on a philosophical plane: "namathu vaazhkkaiyil eththanai eththanai..." types.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 4th September 2008 06:55 PM
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sp,
yep!
the director could have avoided the idiotic cliche of the charecters like his college room mate,the marchuary attendant,ever policemen,chennai guys and lot others being cynical...
but i dont find wrong with prabakars charecter...
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From: equanimus
on 4th September 2008 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
There's no disconnect whatsoever between Prabhakar and Anandhi after Prabhakar has gone through his motions to become what he is now.
Hmm...that's what was special. I recall a part in Ayn Rand's Fountainhead. Howard Roark - the 'hero' - meets the 'heroine' several months later. And they begin they have never been apart.
PR,
If this film is indeed about their romance, I'd most definitely see it the way you do. But, this film is hardly about the lifelong love of two inseparable lovers. Here, we don't even see much of Anandhi to know how divine she thinks her relationship Prabhakar is. To Prabhakar (and to us), Anandhi, the divine piece of God, is an elusive figure. Whenever she's in the narrative frame, it's as Prabhakar remembers her. That's why, when the real Anandhi comes, it comes off as extremely convenient that there's no "disconnect" between the angelic Anandhi and the real Anandhi. One moment, it's like 'Taxi Driver', but only to get closer to 'Sadak'/'Appu'. (No, no, I'm not putting this film in the same ballpark as those two films. Not at all, God forbid!)
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
equanimus
Imagine an Anandhi, flesh and blood, meeting this Prabhakar...
Imagine a flesh-and-blood Anandhi and the movie is dead right there. She is a "piece-of-divine" which the real-she cannot hope to live-up to (Abirami, abirami !)
Exactly my point. But, we do see the real Anandhi, and all she does is ask, "nijamA thAn solRiyA?" (The last couple of times she says this line are the most frustrating moments in this film for me.) Guna's obsession, on the other hand, is squarely with Abirami and not with Rohini. Here, there's no flesh-and-blood Anandhi, just the angel figure of a battered soul.
To me, it's these two paragraphs (from your last post) about the film that are at odds with each other. Guna 'vukkum Kaagaz Ke Phool 'ukkum uLLa viththiyAsam.
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From: P_R
on 4th September 2008 09:17 PM
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="equanimus"If this film is indeed about their romance, I'd most definitely see it the way you do.
It
also is. As I said, among other depravations, he is concerned about the state the world for Anandhi's sake. As you mentioned he always excepts himself as someone who can make do ("kuRaL solli pozhaichikkuvEn") in this mad world.
Of course we (or was it only me) attributed that to a facade of denial he tries to build to glorify his actions. Actions, like life is colorless, meaning/reason-less. But his overarching concern for Anandhi is to search for a thread of meaning. What does it "mean" ? Does it translate to anything concrete ? Settilled Life and all that. Nope. "indha nigazhkaalam ippadiyE dhaan thodaraadhA" is as far as he can go.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
That's why, when the real Anandhi comes, it comes off as extremely convenient that there's no "disconnect" between the angelic Anandhi and the real Anandhi.
True. Point taken.
Also agree that the Guna parallel was inappropriate for the same reason you mentioned. What I wanted to say was that his enchantment was not with the girl as such. She meant something to him than what meets the eye (to us all). That is louu - if I may make such a sweeping statement. Difficult to bring out in a medium like screenwriting. And I think it was extremely well done.
For instance, I found it attractive that she was a dunce (pardon the harsh word - nagam kadikkAdha, saamiya vENdikkO huh !) than an intellectual companion of sorts. There is some poetry in that characterization right there. As in, "Anandhikku ezhuthura kaditham" may itself be a letter to the wrong person.
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From: ajithfederer
on 4th September 2008 09:22 PM
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First of all, is that a problem?.
Why on earth do we need to expect such things in a movie?
Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
There was only one problem for me in the movie.It didn't have any positive effect.It doesn't enrich me with values.It was full of diffidence,oozing with failure and completely dark.
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From: ajithfederer
on 4th September 2008 09:24 PM
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Couldnt agree more!!!
Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Naama yaarum "individuals" kidayAdhE. We all have appendages. The "individual" with true free choice, without undue concerns about consequences, with an avowed disregard for hypocisy is one scary animal.
michcha pEr ellAm pulsar tank-la sakkaraiyai pOduvOm
I am not expecting 'full freedom' from the society but atleast when comes to choosing one's career. Also I am expecting the society to respect individuals irrespective of their occupation/studies. Sadly we are losing our individuality for the sake of our society. In the US, still people are doing courses like Political Science and they make a career out of it. I am not sure about it precisely but from whatever I heard they do have a career and not being treated as untouchables, here only professional courses are considered studies. Rest are garbage according to the society that includes my family your family and every family. And as Raam rightly put it in an interview that all these so-called colleges are now producing money-making machines.
Will the new IT parents atleast let their children choose any career they want? or they will push them into the same well? My guess is 'same well'.
Originally Posted by
MrJudge
namma oorla namakku enna pidikkumo atha seiyya yaarum vida maattaanga, oorukku enna pidikkumo athe thaan namalum seiyannum. moththathila aattu manthaiyila naamalum oru aada eppothum irukkanum.
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From: ajithfederer
on 4th September 2008 09:32 PM
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What was thinichified in subramaniapuram?
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
but i feel the new wave of filmmakers are trying to "thinichhify" sadness/gloom/doom to make it a great film........subramaniapuram was heights of this trend.......sadness alone is not reality - come on, ch-28 is the most realistic movie i have seen in last 2-3 yrs
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 4th September 2008 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
What was thinichified in subramaniapuram?
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
but i feel the new wave of filmmakers are trying to "thinichhify" sadness/gloom/doom to make it a great film........subramaniapuram was heights of this trend.......sadness alone is not reality - come on, ch-28 is the most realistic movie i have seen in last 2-3 yrs
By thinichufy he means, always conceiving a script with a gloomy package as a whole.
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From: ajithfederer
on 4th September 2008 09:37 PM
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Ok. let me wait for maddy's reply as well!!!.
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
What was thinichified in subramaniapuram?
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Thats what I said too!
but I suppose movies are NOT there to enrich us. What ur schools/colleges/life/books did not teach u, u think A MOVIE is gonna create?
Comeon venkiraja!
Movies are NOT THERE to enrich us or educate us, its for ENTERTAINMENT (atleast majority of them) sometimes when entertainment is showing only shady parts, its gloomy! Nevertheless gloomy parts are realities too
but i feel the new wave of filmmakers are trying to "thinichhify" sadness/gloom/doom to make it a great film........subramaniapuram was heights of this trend.......sadness alone is not reality - come on, ch-28 is the most realistic movie i have seen in last 2-3 yrs
By thinichufy he means, always conceiving a script with a gloomy package as a whole.
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From: jaiganes
on 4th September 2008 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
="equanimus"If this film is indeed about their romance, I'd most definitely see it the way you do.
It
also is. As I said, among other depravations, he is concerned about the state the world for Anandhi's sake. As you mentioned he always excepts himself as someone who can make do ("kuRaL solli pozhaichikkuvEn") in this mad world.
Of course we (or was it only me) attributed that to a facade of denial he tries to build to glorify his actions. Actions, like life is colorless, meaning/reason-less. But his overarching concern for Anandhi is to search for a thread of meaning. What does it "mean" ? Does it translate to anything concrete ? Settilled Life and all that. Nope. "indha nigazhkaalam ippadiyE dhaan thodaraadhA" is as far as he can go.
Originally Posted by
equanimus
That's why, when the real Anandhi comes, it comes off as extremely convenient that there's no "disconnect" between the angelic Anandhi and the real Anandhi.
True. Point taken.
Also agree that the Guna parallel was inappropriate for the same reason you mentioned. What I wanted to say was that his enchantment was not with the girl as such. She meant something to him than what meets the eye (to us all). That is louu - if I may make such a sweeping statement. Difficult to bring out in a medium like screenwriting. And I think it was extremely well done.
For instance, I found it attractive that she was a dunce (pardon the harsh word - nagam kadikkAdha, saamiya vENdikkO huh !) than an intellectual companion of sorts. There is some poetry in that characterization right there. As in, "Anandhikku ezhuthura kaditham" may itself be a letter to the wrong person.
I felt that the movie is all about loss of innocence .
whereas...
JAck Travis from Taxi Driver is simply purely disillusioned vet - he thinks he is driving around in a taxi all night watching the scum(and cum) ruling the city, good for nothing senators whose face gets pasted all over city - ruling people - the class divide separating him from his infatuation (Cybill sheperd -who is more closer to the glossy NYC while he is left to face the scum of the city night in night out)
Contrast this with Katradhu Thamizh Prabhakar - his disillusionment is because he is unable to accept that anything pure and innocent will be only as long as life and society does not touch them...
And anandhi is a metaphor (much like Abhirami in Guna) - that disillusionment had to be driven and shown so starkly (devadhaya partha en aanadhaniya ___yaala paatha eppdi irukkum?).
The film is a lament - and like all laments - it is mostly irrational - For all you know - Anandhi could have been made a figment of Prabhakar's imagination - a hallucination - but that would have led the audience to turn off from prabhakar he would have been labelled madman as our audience are not sensitive enough to understand or sympathize as to why someone is mad. so making anandhi real meant that she also had to be the most helpless individual - daughter of a keep - sold as prostitute by a relative -Is it necessary for a character to be such a McGuffin(just a plot device)? - but yes for the metaphor to work well. So every time Prabhakar searches anandhi - he miraculously succeeds - but only to be dashed against the rocks once more - a cyclic degeneration of the character - that cleverly keeps moving the pseudo narration moving without moving forward really - jus to keep the audience engrossed - otherwise we could have simply had a monologue like in a play to dwell on the character better.
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From: equanimus
on 4th September 2008 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
What I wanted to say was that his enchantment was not with the girl as such. She meant something to him than what meets the eye (to us all). That is louu - if I may make such a sweeping statement. Difficult to bring out in a medium like screenwriting. And I think it was extremely well done.
For instance, I found it attractive that she was a dunce (pardon the harsh word - nagam kadikkAdha, saamiya vENdikkO huh !) than an intellectual companion of sorts. There is some poetry in that characterization right there. As in, "Anandhikku ezhuthura kaditham" may itself be a letter to the wrong person.
Oh, surely, PR, I agree. And, I love these lines that you've quoted. Overall, the writing is indeed first-rate in this film; especially, the dialogue is sparkling. For all my criticism, this is one of the most impressive films in recent times for me. My criticism on the film is with respect to what all it could have been (and I am well aware of that!). For a film that tries to be on the lines of (and references) 'Taxi Driver' and 'The Stranger' (the Albert Camus novel), I found it frustratingly uneven.
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From: MrJudge
on 7th September 2008 09:16 AM
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Last night in Koffee with Anu program, Balu Mahendra, Raam, Vetrimaaran and Seeman appeared. The stories from Vetrimaran and Raam on how they got their chances to work with BM were nice. BM was impressed with Katrathu Tamizh so much and conveyed his desire to be the cinematographer for Raam's next movie. He never made this kind of request to any other director after he became a director himself.
I don't know what happened to Raam's Saddam Hussein. KT's BO result may be playing the spoil sport.
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From: vasanth2006
on 7th September 2008 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrJudge
Last night in Koffee with Anu program, Balu Mahendra, Raam, Vetrimaaran and Seeman appeared. The stories from Vetrimaran and Raam on how they got their chances to work with BM were nice. BM was impressed with Katrathu Tamizh so much and conveyed his desire to be the cinematographer for Raam's next movie. He never made this kind of request to any other director after he became a director himself.
I don't know what happened to Raam's Saddam Hussein. KT's BO result may be playing the spoil sport.
Interesting....let me check this program in techsathish.....
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From: P_R
on 7th September 2008 09:44 PM
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Yeah. Look forward to Ram's next film
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From: kannannn
on 8th September 2008 09:35 PM
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I am really scratching the bottom here since KT has quite been discussed from all possible perspectives. My first thoughts as the film was nearing its interval was 'Wow!!'. The film quite succeeds in portraying the transition of Prabhakar from an innocent, idealist dreamer to a desolate, angry rebel. As the film progresses, it becomes quite apparent, atleast to me, that this transition is rather a result of a tragedy that is very personal. Every loss of Prabhakar is replaced by the establishment of new relationships. The loss of his family introduces him to his teacher. The loss of his teacher introduces him back to Anandhi and that perhaps is the best he can do. So, Prabhakar's angst is also personal and only serves to express his helplessness given his past loses and his inability to keep the last and only posession that might be his. The rich-poor divide lends itself very conveniently to be blamed, partly because it feeds into his 'if only' condition. Now that brings the movie into the second half and the many questions it poses (the very fact that a movie can be viewed as first and second half shows something is wrong) . Are the social and philosophical musings the character's? Or is it the director's? If it is the character's, all I can say is that either I have misunderstood the movie or the second half needs to be trimmed to a quarter of its length, because the social ills can only take so much blame, atleast from the viewer's perspective. If it is the director's, then they don't find a place in the scheme of things at all. It was like watching two movies that could rather have been presented in their own right. That's my major complaint and that's what spoiled the end product for me. As for the acting, Jeeva was great, but the girl who plays Anandhi was quite irritating ('nejamaathaan solriya?!' expression is soooo not right and sooooo not in place).
More might follow.
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From: viraajan
on 8th September 2008 09:50 PM
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Crisp review Kannan.
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From: kannannn
on 9th September 2008 12:21 AM
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Thanks viraajan
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by
equanimus
There's no disconnect whatsoever between Prabhakar and Anandhi after Prabhakar has gone through his motions to become what he is now.
Hmm...that's what was special.
My reading is that Prabhakar is a very selfish man. His metamorphosis is solely due to his inability to have what he wants. Whatever pure love he has for Anandhi is a remnant of his childhood relationship. That could be a reason for any lack of disconnect on Prabhakar's part upon meeting Anandhi.
Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Pieces of his life are falling right into place just too fast to be true. But even that seemed ironic in its improbability. Either that...or I just liked the film too much
Prabhakar's own actions are full of ironies. He takes a philosophical stance that there is no rhyme or reason to the good and bad in life. Finding Anandhi fits into that larger motif. However, for him to complain of social inequality smacks of hypocrisy. In any other film, this aspect would have been bothersome, but not here - one of the things I like about the movie. It adds the feel of escapism that Prabhakar resorts to
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
I concur with you about Raam's voiceover, of course, but isn't that the sort of concluding note the film's finale was lending itself to?
Raam's voiceover actually adds to the dilemma of what to make of the movie.
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From: steveaustin
on 17th December 2008 08:37 PM
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Katradhu Tamil to speak Telugu
Jeeva starrer Katradhu Tamil will have a Telugu version soon. The remake too will be reportedly directed by Ram, who wielded the megaphone for the original version.
If sources are to be believed, a young hero of Tollywood, who wanted to prove himself in a different script, asked Ram to start the movie.
Earlier, the actor was said to be impressed with the skills of Ram after watching Katradhu Tamil.
Source: chennaivision.com
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From: P_R
on 17th December 2008 09:58 PM
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eh ??
