Thread started by vel on 31st December 2009 02:34 PM
for the sake of those who miss this good old thread, this thread has been revived (thanks to RR's help of linking the archives as well!) Discuss ragas of TFM songs here.
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on 2nd February 2012 11:41 PM
er.. kuzhappam... tried to roughly play it and it fully comes within S R2 G2 P D2 S and return, which is Sivaranjani. Now, enna kavi's pallavi also operates within this scale fully IMO. Here are the two aro/avaro from wiki.. but there's not much of a similarity in the scales right?
S R2 G2 P D2 S
S D2 P G2 R2 S
S R2 M1 P D1 N3 S
S N3 D1 P M1 R2 S
on 3rd February 2012 09:34 AM
KV, do you see M2 anywhere?
Shivaranjani & Neelamani are almost like sriranjani & karnataka kamas. Scale shift can result in a similar raga. In this song if you take C# as Sa, then the scale is Neelamani.
on 3rd February 2012 11:35 AM
RR, I don't think there's M2 in the TMS portions (or for that matter anywhere else in the song, but will check again). While LRE's portions has an anya swaram in Ni2 (IIRC) in the 1st charanam (eg. kaadhali), TMS' portion seems to be fully in Sivaranjani (ofcourse, I'm not considering the last charanam which has lot of syncopation notes where he tries to incorporate rocknroll style). That slide from keezh Sa to mEl Sa and spiral descend through the Sivaranjani avaro (ulaginil aanavar aayiram aayiram)... just love that!
scale shifting (esp placing the shadjam)... orE kashtamappa!
on 3rd February 2012 01:20 PM
KV, check and tell pls. Do you see any sivaranjani resemblance in the song? I don't. Just compare with
kurai ondrum illai. What I see are Vijayanagari/Ranjani (or Neelamani) shades.
Yes the song is a lovely one. When TMS starts at the super high pitch (mimic-ing MKT) - wow!
on 3rd February 2012 02:30 PM
Just tried looking it up on the net.
Here's an excerpt from a tfmpage discussion
"has anybody heard a more innovative usage of Sivaranjani as in 'Utharavindri ULLe vaa' (title song)? The pallavi is totally in this raag, the I charanam (sung by an effeminate SPB) is a deviation, II charanam sung by TMS is classical Sivaranjani linked superbly back to the pallavi in all its youthful vigour".
Another from dhool
One more area untouched, whenever he used ragas like Sivaranjani, the real face of Sivaranjani (that we wouldnt like to see, thanks for Laxmikanth Pyarelals, SA Rajkumars and Bharadwajs) remained suppressed. If ARR has re-tuned 'uthharavindi uLLE vA', we know what inspired him to use Sivaranjani for 'kaNNum kaNNum koLLai adithhAl'. Apart from 'uthharavindri uLLE vA' (which I thought was a masterful composition), enna vEgam nillu bhAma, poovA thalayA pOttA theriyum are songs which disfigure the true Sivaranjani (as mankind knows it).
And here's an interview
with MSV that I got from the Dhool link. Reading it for the first time; some points on ragams there
(and a lot about kannadasan/spb/pbs/tms, etc...
The movie was ‘pOlice kAran magaL’. MSV arrived first for Sridhar to present him with the ‘song situation’. The melody tuned was ‘ponnenbEn siru poovenbEn’. Kannadasan was his usual nonchalant self when asked to do his bit for the song. ‘kAthal duet-a? athAn athhAn pothhAn mayiru mattai ezhuthiyAchhE. innumA ?’. )
on 3rd February 2012 08:24 PM
I used to think so too. Recently I heard it on tv and felt there's something more than simple sivaranjani. That's why posted it.
. It's a classic interview by Sriram Lakshman - a old hand @TFM page. Not sure if he's still around.
on 6th February 2012 08:27 PM
RR, my guess seems to be right!
Pallavi and TMS' portions are within the Sivaranjani scale. 2nd charanam has an extra N2. The last charanam has loads of chromatic notes and is good fun to play!
Here's a rough notation of the song.
on 7th February 2012 10:40 AM
Thanks KV for the 'theoretical' clarification. MSV is chromatic-la pugundhu vilayaduvaar. 'chandrodhayam' another good example.
on 27th October 2012 02:53 AM
What raga is Isaiyarasi ennalum from Thai Moogambikai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeW2okhe9lw
). Is it vasantha Bharavi??
Its such a mesmerizing song. Pragathi's rendering of this song on Airtel super singer was equally mesmerizing.
on 28th November 2012 07:36 PM
isaiyarasi is based on ragam "Sallapam".