Maestro ilaiyaraaja news & titbits

[prasad_subbu]

Kiru,

I agree with your statement as far as boasting is concerned no body can beat Americans. But the incidences coated here was demeaning other person(In case comment about vijay's movie). That I don't hear people doing in Holywood.

We will not throw away Steve Jobs products, or einsteins mass energy relation due to their personalities. But people do write bad about Steve Jobs personalities. He is not apart from criticism as he is a genius. As long as he do not hurt others with his ego, it is fine.

By the way, even IR haters can't do away with his music. As Kamal put it rightly, "Indha aal kittendhu enga ponallum Thappika Mudiyathu. Verai composer vettileyum photola perussa Nippar".

It is all a package. Good and Not so Good together.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Kamesh, I remember our lengthy talks during our meets, and especially remember what and all you told at that meeting. I wanted to tell u some misunderstandings of yours at that time itself. But as we discussed a lot, somehow I could not. But now, after seeing ur post, i wanted to point out the blunders in ur thought about IR's character. Actually this will serve for many ppl who misunderstand IR

1. Vijay padathukku intha song poda mudiyumaa? He was trying to say these kind of situations doesn't exist in Vijay films, then he included Ajith's name too. We shud take this lightly, actually there is nothing wrong or insulting Vijay. Do vijay and Ajith are acting in Sankaraabaranam kind of movies? They are youth icons and thats what they want. At most they want movies like Gilli, Billa and great BO collections. Both their past and the upcoming movies are of this type no? Whats arrogant on IR's part and what is insult on Vijay and Ajith films? IR too has did masala films but now he is in more pristine state that even if he does, ppl won't like that act.

2. HTNI Live, Yuvan, Thiyagarajar:- Yeppaa! that was a nice kindal and nothing insulting yuvan! He was meaning that Thiyagarajar composed for youth and a youth MD like yuvan shud listen to Thiagarajar. Clearly understand IR talks about the age of audience of Thiagaraja and NOT Tiyagarajar SwamigaL's age, while he composed.

3. IR's talk at ARR Felicitation function:-
a) Thanga Greedame podalaam avLo thaguthi irukku
b) He kept ARR in same pedastal as him -> MSV is aathaara Shruti and He and ARR being Panjamam and Shadjamam respectively, see he is not including any other MDs there, and saying ALL other MDs and musicians are "Athan mel ezhuntha sapthaswarangaL". (note he is keeping likes of decent MDs like Vidyasagar along with instrument players!)

4. Asking high salary to avoid an Director:- This is nothing wrong. this is similar to some MDs staying inside Recording theatre and letting his helpers tell the visitors "Aiyaa oorla illai" and even refusing chances to them

5. Getting angry about other MDs getting chances:- Suppose if an MD gets too angry inside, but not shows that to outside world, nothing wrong. Its totally his personal thing. Kobathula enna venaa pannattum, cinema la varra maathiri instruments cassettes ellaam thookki pottu udaikkurathu, burning his score sheets, etc. Nothing wrong for outsiders man! Veetla pondaatti kovathula celphone thookki pottu udaikkurathillaiyaa?!? Appuram samaathaanam aagurathillaiyaa?

6. About both IR and ARR getting Padma Bhushan same time:- In one way the good thing in this is, the world came to know that IR doesn't do any politics and he is always kept in general quotta and even IR has influence, he don't use thakkal or VIP quota to get awards!

That apart, it is a blunder of the Indian Govt to club IR with other MDs. Any MDs be it, we know IR's calibre, thats all! He is not you and me! And he didn't even become anger. In reality he won't like this clubbing. So reporters know this and Wantedly ask "Saar ungalukkum avarukkum ore nerathula kuduthathu pathi enna nenaikkureenga?" If he said "I wish ARR the best luck" it wud be the fakeiest answer in the world. At same time he could not show the anger on Govt openly., So a true man, he said "Why shud I feel for him?" That is a good escape teknik actually Smart answer man! He clearly added" Whatever I wanted to say about ARR I already said in the felit.function" What more you expect?!?

6. MSV Felicitation Event:- I said this before itself . A function happened to felicitate both MSV and Ramamoorthy Sir, that time ARR hadn't got Oscars. Raja in his speech said " En uyarvu IvargaLin uyarvu, Rahmaanin uyarvu ivargaLin uyarvu". See his magnanity man!
a) He acknowledges ARR's uyarvu!(You guys need spoonfeed, so! :lol2 )
b) He means that Rahman's uyarvu is such a great rise that it deserves to be attributed to MSV & Ramamoorthy's porpaathangkaL, as equal as how IR puts his growth on their porpaathangkaL!

In TFM, at time, even Deva experienced uyarvu! he was continuously composing for Kamal/Rajini. But its Rahman's growth he considers as a great thing such that he takes rahman along with him and says to the world that we both are proudful sishyaas of Mellisai Mannars, thus lifting Rahman on a high pedestal!

All this after nobody asking IR! He cud have gladly skipped talking about about Rahman at all. who can force him?!?!?

Note1:- When Raja praises Rahman, keeps him in same pedestal, (EngaL uyarvu Mellisai mannargal's uyarvu) (Annan aathaara shruti, NaangaL Panjamam Shadjamam) It don't mean that Raja is keeping Rahman as his equal peer. Just that IR has no issues in agreeing Rahman as one of the great composers, thats all!

Note2: I am not belittling Deva, just saying that he is not as big as Rahman or so. Even Deva fans would agree

7. Directors Function:- Though there is no complaint on Raja regarding this event, just wanted to say how honest Raja was! The directors function where Raja and Bharathiraja were let on stage to speak. Raja who is noted as an arrogant guy, actually 1st started nicely, he remembered an incident where both rajas met and composed. After this, Barathiraja asked Do you remember our 1st meet. Then he said that Ithai kooda gnaabagam vechikaathavan eppadi uyir nanbanaa iruppaan? This is perfect open seendal! And now, ppl say Raja is arrogant! As if that is not enuf, this Barathiraja oLarified on stage that he is a guy as honest as Rajini! Punnaakku! Nee nermaiyaanavanaannu makkal sollanumdaa, nee illa! (sorry guys for that singularity)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

All this Steve Jobs, Einstin et all were arrogant too. When? Even after the world had agreed and showered praise that they are Masters, Genius and Pinoeers of whatever they are into? Did our country, its govt, ppl, agree to the right extent, the genius of Raja? First athai pannuvom man! appuram Raja vai kurai solluvom. He is a man whom even Kamal haasan who don't bend for anybody, bows for the talent and even says he is his god! Its same baarathiyaar's principle "Arive Theivam" He is such a talent.

See the arrogance of Vikatan, Most of the TV channels except Raj/Jaya, and Magazines. What these ppl do? Had vikatan anytime wrote an analysis on the genius of Raja? does the CMs of TamilNadu do some great respect openly for Raja?!? Did Indian Govt respect him to the right extent? Does the Music colleges in India analyze his works? As the seniors didn't do the needful, today the juniors are not realizing the greatness of Raja. If you go to opposite camp and provoke them, see what they speak, Suppose if they say about the less offers and commercial position of Raja, even that can be let off. But man some ppl talk about his talent. There are ppl who think "Raja is just another olden days MD who composes tunes in aarmoniya petti, just that Raja has done some extra films, thats all".

Did anybody rectify all this? Nothing! But we expect Raja to be so low profile, so sweet and respond to any question they ask, IN A WAY YOU EXPECT!

Even the event where Raja and ARR got awards same time, isn't it the blunderous mistake of the stupid idiot reporter who asked "What do u think about u getting award along with Rahman" appo thaane ethaachum vambu varum? bleddy fellows.

Avana nirutha sollunga Raja sir niruthuvaaru! (appo kooda avasiyam illai, becos IMHO his behavior is almost perfect now itself! As I said before itself, not only by his musical talent, even in integrity too, he is like God! Avaroda Nermai Sutterikkum Nermai! Namma ellaam biskothu pasanga, leading plastic life!

[prasad_subbu]

Sakala,

Summa vittu velyadi irrukeenga. For same vijay movies IR gave good music in past.(Kaadalukku mariyadai, Friends etc). You may say that is Fassil movie. Vijay is not an incapable actor. He just choose to take safe route for success these days.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Vikatan is one of the worse magazine in this thing! Bleddy they were in support of avaaL's kacheri culture and were too much refraining from agreeing/acknowledging Raja's talent!

1. There was not even one word about music in Raja's 1st film AnnakkiLi

2. In Moonraam pirai review, these morons didn't say one word abt music and instead praise raja for leaving the BGM silent at some places

3. Same in Naayagan which is Ir's 400th film review no word about music.

4. As if this was not enuf, every time they interview Raja, stupids they ask why Raja is very egositic, arrogant. As they cannot put it openly, they will ask indirectly

5. We know the musical geniusness of Raja, in these almost 40 years, there was not once a series article on Raja's music. But instead they ran a series for his photography and the poems he wrote for it! Idiots, leave what is Raja famous for, and needlessly highlight other areas which, most of them are not at all gonna remember

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pammalar sir has posted a treasure in the memories thread - that is rAsA's interview to pEsum padam (primary cinema magazine those days) Nov 1976 issue.

That appeared sudachchuda at the time of annakkiLi silver jubilee!

Those are scanned images of the old mag! I'll try to type it and konjam konjamA reproduce in this thread

mikka nanRi pammalar sir! Also, nanRi to pEsum padam mag!

Let me start...

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பேசும் படம் (நவம்பர் 1976) நேர் காணல்

அன்னக்கிளி தந்த இளையராஜா

இந்த ஆண்டு இது வரை வெளிவந்த படங்களிலேயே நூறு நாட்களைத் தாண்டி, வெள்ளி விழாக் கொண்டாடும் ஒரே படம் 'அன்னக்கிளி'. ஒரு சாதாரண கருப்பு வெள்ளைப்படம் ஏனைய கலர்ப்படங்களை எல்லாம் மீறி வெற்றி வாகை சூடிக்கொண்டது. அதன் வெற்றிக்குரிய பல காரணங்களில் ஒன்று இளையராஜாவின் இனிமையான இசை. இன்று நகர வீதிகளிலும், பட்டிதொட்டிகளிலும் 'அன்னக்கிளி' படப்பாடல்கள் எங்கு நோக்கினும் ரீங்காரமிடுகின்றன.

திரையுலகில் இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் அறிமுகமாவது அபூர்வம். அப்படியே அறிமுகமானவர்களில் பலருக்கு தொடர்ந்தாற்போன்ற வாய்ப்புகளும் கிடைத்ததில்லை. ஆனால் இளையராஜா அறிமுகமான முதல் படத்தின் மூலமாகவே, இது வரை வேறு எந்த இசையமைப்பாளரும் பெற்றிடாத வரவேற்பைப்பெற்றார். 'அன்னக்கிளி'யின் பாடல்கள் கேட்டோர் மனத்தைக் கிறங்க வைக்கின்றன.

ஒவ்வொரு துறையிலும் திறமைசாலிகள் இருக்கத்தான் செய்கிறார்கள். ஆனால் அதைப் பலரின் மத்தியில் வெளிப்படுத்திக் காண்பிக்கும் போதுதான் அவர்களின் திறமை நமக்குத்தெரிய வருகிறது. அந்த வகையில் பார்க்கும்போது இளையராஜாவை விட பஞ்சு அருணாசலம் பாராட்டுக்குரியவர். காரணம் - இளையராஜாவின் திறனறிந்து தக்க தருணத்தில் பயன்படுத்தி அவரை வெளியுலகுக்கும் தெரியும் படிச்செய்தாரே, அதனால் தான்! ஒரு திறமைமிக்க இசையமைப்பாளரை தமிழ்த் திரையுலகுக்கு நல்கிட்ட பெருமை கதாசிரியர் பஞ்சு அருணாசலத்தையே சாரும்.

பெயரில் மட்டுமல்ல, வயதிலும் உருவத்திலும் இளையவரான இளையராஜாவை சமீபத்தில் சந்தித்தேன். அவருடன் அவருடைய சகோதரர்கள் பாஸ்கரும், அமர்சிங்கும் வந்திருந்தனர்.

...to be continued...

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Look, the above portion clearly authenticates many things that we have been harping about in the hub.

- Raja's first movie was such an outstanding success, silver jubilee, and everyone acknowledged music as a main factor for that B&W movie's success right then!

i.e. The acknowledgement was not many years after, when Raja had a huge fan following.

Also, this success was against all odds.

Namely, no MGR-Sivaji as hero. No color. No big budget. Devaraj-Mohan were not a star director pair - like KB / Sridhar. Not a masAlA. Not a city-shiny-story but a village story. (I have still not seen this movie).

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But the more interesting portion there is the setting for the interview.

It says, " அவருடன் அவருடைய சகோதரர்கள் பாஸ்கரும், அமர்சிங்கும் வந்திருந்தனர்.".

Means, the brothers went to meet the nirubar (possibly not in a great place to live yet, no office etc).

Note this and more as we walk thru the interview (and perhaps talk about humility-kilo-enna-vilai after that )

[V_S]

sakala Nach! Agree word by word. I can feel the pain and disappointment in your posts. Definitely, many (as a fan) do not feel/analyse/understand how much pain Raja would have undergone all these years, instead they feel Raja didn't behave as per their idioms/rules. If they would have posted their concern (the other side of it) as Sakala pointed out, then we can understand their frustration. I mean, if they have expressed their happiness when Raja had talked nicely as per their rules, and also expressed their concerns, when Raja didn't get his deserved credit, then we can understand their love to this pity genius. Kurai mattumE sollikondirunthaal, it does not look right. On top of this, they take claim/pride in saying we are 'IR bashers'. Why do we want to classify ourselves like this, if we have so much good things to talk about Raja and his music and nullify our claim. If we are showing so much interest to post/acknowledge bad (even if it is true) about him, why not show the same interest in analyzing his music or atleast post your enjoyments when you listen to his music, so that everyone can enjoy your feelings. Is it too difficult?