Will Tamil survive in the next century?

[HindustaniLadka]

Thank you aravindhan.


I would have posted links myself, since idiappam and mellon seem to have a hard time finding google.com and wikipedia.com, but i was away for a bit.

http://www.google.co.in/

[mahadevan]

as of today Nov 15, 2005 google is offered in Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Marathi and Tamil. Did I miss Sanskrit, Kannada, Gujurathi,Urdu, Assamese, and Konkoni ?

[viggop]

I do not agree with such doomsday prophets.
They keep saying Tamil will die, carnatic music will die, Indian culture will die,Tamil panpadu will die etc.
Nothing will happen like that.We need not worry and Tamil ,carnatic music,culture will live for a long long time into the future.

[zz]

Swami Vivekanand speaks on antiquity of Tamil and its importance in Indian culture.

from " complete works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 4 " chapter - "Aryans and Tamilians"


Swamiji speaks on:


1. Why the Brahmins( men of knowledge ) are considered as highest in the social order of India , and not Kshatriyas ( Kings and warriors) as in all other european countries.


2. Then a bit of explanation on the caste system and mention that it was not on birth.


3. Then problems created brahmins arrogance and appeal to all brahmins and non-brahmins to rise towards the right ideals then to fight over between themselves.


4. Then a firm disapproval of the Aryan theory and a message to bridge the north - south differences and He says " even taking for granted that both these grand sub-divisions of Indian humanity came from outside the Western frontier" ( Both here implies corrupted-caste system and north-south divisions) and an appeal to rise out of this false notion .


5. Finally, a good article to be read slowly and in the right earnest




Aryans and Tamilians

By Swami Vivekananda

From: The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda , Volume 4 , Pg.296

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.in...ol_4_frame.htm


A veritable ethnological museum! Possibly, the half ape skeleton of the recently discovered Sumatra link will be found on search here, too. The Dolmens are not wanting. Flint implements can be dug out almost anywhere. The lake-dwellers-at least the river-dwellers must have been abundant at one time. The cave-men and leaf-wearers still persist. The primitive hunters living in forests are in evidence in various parts of the country. Then there are the more historical varieties-the Negrito Kolarian, the Dravidian, and the Aryan. To these have been added from time to time dashes of nearly all the known races, and a great many yet unknown-various breeds of Mongoloids, Mongols, Tartars, and the so-called Aryans of the -philologists. Well, here are the Persian, the Greek, the Yunchi, the Hun, the Chin, the Scythian, and many more,- melted and fused, the Jews, Parsees, Arabs, Mongols, down to the descendants of the Vikings and the lords of the German forests, yet undigested-an ocean of humanity, composed of these race-waves seething, boiling, struggling, constantly changing form, rising to the surface, and spreading, and swallowing little ones, again subsiding-this is the history of India.

In the midst of this madness of nature, one of the contending factions discovered a method and, through the force of its superior culture, succeeded in bringing the largest number of Indian humanity under its sway.

The superior race styled themselves the Aryas or nobles, and their method was the Varnashramacharathe so-called caste. Of course the men of the Aryan race reserved for themselves, consciously or unconsciously a good many privileges ; yet the institution of caste has always been very flexible, sometimes too flexible to ensure a healthy uprise of the races very low in the scale of culture.

It put, theoretically at least, the whole of India under the guidance-not of wealth, nor of the sword-but of intellect-intellect chastened and controlled by spirituality. The leading caste in India is the highest of the Aryans - the Brahmins.

Though apparently different from the social methods of other nations, on close inspection, the Aryan method of caste will not be found so very different except on two points:

The first is, in every other country the highest honour belongs to the Kshatriya-the man of the sword. The Pope of Rome will be glad to trace his descent to some robber baron on the banks of the Rhine. In India, the highest honour belongs to the man of peace- the Sharman, the Brahmin, the man of God.

The greatest Indian king would be gratified to trace his descent to some ancient sage who lived in the forest, probably a recluse, possessing nothing, dependent upon the villagers for his daily necessities, and all his life trying to solve the problems of this life and the life hereafter. The second point is, the difference of unit. The law of caste in every other country takes the individual man or woman as the sufficient unit. Wealth, power, intellect, or beauty suffices for the individual to leave the status of birth and scramble up to anywhere he can.

Here, the unit is all the members of a caste community. Here, too, one has every chance of rising from a low caste to a higher or the highest: only, in this birth-land of altruism, one is compelled to take his whole caste along with him.

In India, you cannot, on account of your wealth, power, or any other merit, leave your fellows behind and make common cause with your superiors ; you cannot deprive those who helped in your acquiring the excellence of any benefit therefrom and give them in return only contempt. If you want to rise to a higher caste in India, you have to elevate all your caste first, and then there is nothing in your onward path to hold you back.

This is the Indian method of fusion, and this has been going on from time immemorial. For in India, more than elsewhere, such words as Aryans and Dravidians are only of philological import, the so-called craniological differentiation finding no solid ground to work upon.

Even so are the names Brahmin, Kshatriya, etc. They simply represent the status of a community in itself continuously fluctuating, even' when it has reached the summit and all further endeavours are towards fixity of the type by non-marriage, bv being forced to admit fresh groups, from lower castes or foreign lands, within its pale.

Whatever caste has the power of the sword, becomes Kshatriya ; whatever learning, Brahmin ; whatever wealth, Vaishya.

The groups that have already reached the coveted goal, indeed, try to keep themselves aloof from the newcomers, by making sub-divisions in the same caste, but the fact remains that they coalesce in the long run. This is going on before our own eyes, all over India. Naturally, a group having raised itself would try to preserve the privileges to itself. Hence, whenever it was possible to get the help of a king, the higher castes, especially the Brahmins, have tried to put down similar aspirations in lower castes, b'y the sword if practicable. But the question is: Did they succeed? Look closely into your Puranas and Upa-puranas, look especially into the local Khandas of the big Puranas, look round and see what is happening before your eyes, and you will find the answer.

We are, in spite of our various castes, and in spite of the modern custom of marriage restricted within the sub divisions of a caste (though this is not universal), a mixed race in every sense of the word.

Whatever may be the import of the philological terms "Aryan" and "T'amilians:", even taking for granted that both these grand sub-divisions of Indian humanity came from outside the Western frontier, the dividing line had been, from the most ancient times, one of language and not of blood. Not one of the epithets expressive of contempt for the ugly physical features of the Dasyus of the Vedas would apply to the great Tamilian race ; in fact if there be a toss for good looks between the Aryans and Tamilians, no sensible man would dare prognosticate the result.

The super-arrogated excellence of birth of any caste in India is only pure myth, and in no part of India has it, ,we are sorry to say, found such congenial soil, owing to linguistic differences, as in the South.

We purposely refrain from going into the details of ;his social tyranny in the South, just as we have stopped ourselves from scrutinising the genesis of the various modern Brahmins and other castes. Sufficient for us to is evident Madras note the extreme tension of feeling that between the Brahmins and non-Brahmins of the Presidency.

We believe in Indian caste as one of the greatest social institutions that the Lord gave to man. We also believe that though the unavoidable defects, foreign persecutions, and, above all, the monumental ignorance and pride of many Brahmins who do not deserve the name, have thwarted, in many ways, the legitimate fructification of this most glorious Indian institution, it has already worked wonders for the land of Bharata and is destined to lead Indian humanity to its goal.

We earnestly entreat the Brahmins of the South not to forget the ideal of India-the production of a universe of. Brahmins, pure as purity, good as God Himself: this was at the beginning, says the Mahabharata, and so will it be in the end.

Then anyone who claims to be a Brahmin should prove his pretensions, first by manifesting that spirituality, and next by raising others to the same status. On the face of this, it seems that most of them are only nursing a false pride of birth ; and any schemer, native or foreign, who can pander to this vanity and inherent laziness by fulsome sophistry, appears to satisfy most.

Beware, Brahmins, this is the sign of death! Arise and show your manhood, your Brahminhood, by raising the non-Brahmins around you-not in the spirit of a master -not with the rotten canker of egotism crawling with superstitions and the charlatanry of East and West-but in the spirit of a servant. For verily he who knows how to serve knows how to rule.

The non-Brahmins also have been spending their energy in kindling the fire of caste hatred--vain and useless to solve the problem-to which every non-Hindu is only too glad to throw on a load of fuel.

Not a step forward can be made by these inter-caste quarrels, not one difficulty removed; only the beneficent onward march of events would be thrown back, possibly for centuries, if the fire bursts out into flames.

It would be a repetition of Buddhistic political blunders.


In the midst of this ignorant clamour and hatred, we are delighted to find Pandit D. Savariroyan pursuing the only legitimate and the only sensible course. Instead of wasting precious vitality in foolish and meaningless quarrels, Pandit Savariroyan has undertaken in his articles an the "Admixture of the Aryan with Tamilian" in the Siddhcinta Deepika, to clear away not only a lot of haze, created by a too adventurous Western philology, but to pave the way to a better understanding of the caste problem in the South.

Nobody ever got anything by begging. We get only what we deserve. The first step to deserve is to desire; and we desire with success what we feel ourselves worthy to get.

A gentle yet clear brushing off of the cobwebs of the so-called Aryan theory and all its vicious corollaries is therefore absolutely necessary, especially for the South, and a proper self-respect created by a knowledge of the past grandeur of one of the great ancestors of the Aryan race-the great Tamilians.

We stick, in spite of Western theories, to that definition of the word "Arya" which we find in our sacred books, and which includes only the multitude we now call Hindus. This Aryan race, itself a mixture of two great races, Sanskrit-speaking and Tamil-speaking, applies to all Hindus alike. That the Shudras have in some Smritis been excluded from this epithet means nothing, for the Shudras were and still are only the waiting Aryas-Aryas in novitiate.

Though we know Pandit Savariroyan is walking over rather insecure ground, though we differ from many of his sweeping explanations of Vedic names and races, yet we are glad that he has undertaken the task of beginning a proper investigation into the culture of the great mother of Indian civilisation-if the Sanskrit-speaking race was the father.

We are glad also that he boldly pushes forward the Accado-Sumerian racial identity of the ancient Tamilians. And this makes us proud of the blood of the great civilisation which flowered before all others--compared to whose antiquity the Aryans and Semites are babies.

We would suggest, also, that the land of Punt of the Egyptians was not only Malabar, but that the Egyptians as a race bodily migrated from Malabar across the ocean and entered the delta along the course of the Nile from north to south, to which Punt they have been always fondly looking back as the home of the blessed.

This is a move in the right direction. Detailed and more careful work is sure to follow with a better study of the Tamilian tongues and the Tamilian elements found in the Sanskrit literature, philosophy, and religion. And who are more competent to do this work than those who learn the Tamilian idioms as their mother-tongue?

As for us Vedantins and Sannyasins, we are proud of our Sanskrit-speaking ancestors of the Vedas ; proud of our Tamil-speaking ancestors whose civilisation is the oldest yet known ; we are proud of our Kolarian ancestors older than either of the above-who lived and hunted in forests; we are proud of our ancestors with flint implements-the first of the human race; and if evolution is true, we are proud of our anaifial ancestors, for they antedated man himself. We are proud that we are descendants of the whole universe, sentient or insentient. Proud that we are born, and work, and suffer-prouder still that we die when the task is finished and enter for ever the realm where there is no more delusion.


"What India wants is a new electric fire to stir up a fresh vigour in the national veins"-Swami Vivekananda



"Study of the Truth and its dissemination is the duty of every Indian."-Swami Chinmayananda

[Uthappam]

Will tamil survive the next century?? Very good question!

Wait and see!

[honey bee]

Will tamil survive the next century?? Very good question!

Wait and see!

Any Idea to celebrate the New Year Eve, 31. 12. 2099? I would like to join you, does not matter where, in Heaven or Hell.

[mahadevan]

When you lose your language you lose your culture/tradition, Our culture/Tradition/Language all have survived for thousands of years, a century is a ghughupee

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Tamil will survive..but more english and other languge dominated!

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Tamil taught as subject in 20 countries

"Govt. interested in opening film cities, not library cities"

Thanjavur: Tamil is taught as a subject in twenty countries, said Tamil writer Mathalai Somu here recently.

Speaking at the Library Week celebrations organised by the Department of Library and Information Science at Sri AVVM Pushpam College at Poondi, near here, Mr. Somu said that Tamil broadcast is done in radio and TV in yet another twenty countries.

Tamil people were living in 40 countries. With respect to website, Tamil occupies the second place next to English.

Mr. Somu said that libraries were more in number in countries like Norway, Denmark and Australia.

"There are two libraries in a street in those countries. Readers are also more in number. In our country, Government shows interest in establishing film cities and not library cities," regretted Somu.

K. Thulasiah Vandayar, Correspondent and secretary of the college, said that students should make best use of the libraries. Vivekananda at the age of twenty toured various countries and taught spirituality. S. Balu, Principal of the college, welcomed the gathering.

COURTESY : THE HINDU

f.s.gandhi

[stranger]

When you lose your language you lose your culture/tradition, Our culture/Tradition/Language

That is interesting point!

Kushboo challenges:

How many men in TN never slept with any women before their marriage?!

All she is trying to say is:

All Tamil men have premarital relationship. So, she is encouraging all the women to carry a condom-pack in their purse. In case they want to get laid in an unavoidable situation?! They can save them from AIDS and there is nothing wrong in being a SLUT, kushboo assures bbased on her experience!

When people condemned that:

Another, actress namely Suhashini is saying:

Do Tamils have Horns???!!!

So according to Suhashini, if one never had premarital sex and concerned about the Kushboo's statement, he/she should be having a Horn!

So, what are they really suggesting???!!!!

Carrying condom in purse and wallet is not Thamizh culture! Getting laid wherever you wnat and with whomever you want is also not Thamizh culture!

Are they spitting at Tamil culture as they happened to be a slut becuase of their profession???!