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14th October 2005, 04:20 PM
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14th October 2005 04:20 PM
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14th October 2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: Tamil And Vedas
Originally Posted by
solomon
Friends,
We shall advise mr.Idiyappam to read Either Sangam Lit. and the are all availble downloadable at
www.tamil.net/projectmadurai
www.chennainetwork.com
Why don't you read them, or atleast read all my postings, where I HAVE quoted several times, why make the threads with meaningless postings
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SathyamevaJEyathe
Friends,
We shall advice mr. Solomon to understand his quotings several times first rather than attempting his solomonic decisions.
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14th October 2005, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
Hyderbadi
Ahh....this discussion again. This is what Idiappam wants to hear from us all:
Tamil is the oldest langauge on Earth, even cavemen spoke it.
Tamil is the most advanced langauge on Earth and it is even spoken by Gods.
Tamil is the greatest thing ever and it is the root of all civilization.
It looks so fantastic. Can you please repeat them a thousand times?
Cut & Paste strictly prohibited!
And by the way you become a seasoned hubber. That's pretty steep!
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14th October 2005, 10:44 PM
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solomon wrote :
Earliest of Tamil Literature Tholkappiyam dated to 150BCE, uses clearly Sanskrit letters and refers to Vedas at many places.
Tolkappiyam is a grammetrical treatise, for a language to have that, the literary language should have been popular for atleast a 1000 years. So it is definetly not the oldest literature. vedas/chandas/sanskrit took around the same time for their grammer by Pannini. Tholkappiyam refers to vadachol and not sanskrit, even telugu was vadachol at that time. Mentioning of vedas in Tholkappiyam please provide evidence. Some vedic gods are mentioned in Tholkappiyam, what does that mean, these gods went from tamil culture to vedic ?
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16th October 2005, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by
sivajayan
Originally Posted by
Hyderbadi
Ahh....this discussion again. This is what Idiappam wants to hear from us all:
Tamil is the oldest langauge on Earth, even cavemen spoke it.
Tamil is the most advanced langauge on Earth and it is even spoken by Gods.
Tamil is the greatest thing ever and it is the root of all civilization.
It looks so fantastic. Can you please repeat them a thousand times?
Cut & Paste strictly prohibited!
And by the way you become a seasoned hubber. That's pretty steep!
lol...Thank God people of other langauges arent as nationalistic as you guys.
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16th October 2005, 01:52 PM
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Tamils goind global. you talking 'nationalistic'. Wallow there!
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17th October 2005, 05:48 PM
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28th October 2005, 12:53 AM
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Dear Friends,
My post on 03.08.05 In 'Tamil is elder to Sanskrit' thread shall reveal that Tholkappiam never contain any sanskrit/Vedhic traditions.
I shall post about 'Nanmarai' mentioned in Tamil literature. I am working on that.
f.s.gandhi
"Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudi"- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated
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16th June 2006, 12:41 AM
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SEA FARRERS TAMILS
There are more than sufficient evidences that Marakkalam(Sea Boat), Madpandam(Clay pots) & Thikiri (Wheel) are the inventions of ‘Porunai Valley Civlization’. These preliminary inventions made tamils to reach all over the world to do trade and spread their civilizational, cultural and language elements before common era.
Let us see some of the evidances.
Ship Varieties :
Variety of Sea boats and Ships were used during Second Sankam Tholkappiam (1250 BCE) times and Third sankam times (From 800 BCE to 200 ACE).
1.Boats used for Fish Netting & Travelling were called as ‘OODAM’
2.Those used for Fish netting,traveling, Shipping goods, Sea robbing and water games were called ‘VALLAM’
3.Big size of Vallam was called ‘VANCHI’
4.Travelling boat of small size was called ‘THONI’
5.Big size Travelling boat was called ‘MARAKKALAM’
6.Those used for Quick traveling, Sea robbing of small size
boat was called ‘PADAKU’
7.Those used for Shipping goods, Sea Army & Sea robbing of Bigger size was called ‘KAPPAL’
8.The boats used to cross big rivers were called ‘AMBI, PALLI & ODAM’
9.For shipping goods in Canal & rivers the boat ‘PAHRI’ was used.
10.KATTUMARAM, MENGA, PUNAI, MITHAVAI, THEPPAM
PARISU,MATHAKAI, CHONGU were used in Ponds and Lakes.
11.For pearls collecting TIMIL & SALANGU were used.
12.MATHLAI, NAVAI, VANKAM were big ships used to travel foreign countries. ‘Navai’ turned as ‘nova’ in bible flood story.
13.KALAM was used to take horses.
14.Big ship ‘VANKAM’ which was installed with ‘PAI MARAM’ and ‘Sukkan’ used to run the ship quickly.
BEST MARINERS :
‘Paravai’ in tamil means Sea. ‘Para’ is the root which means area. ‘Parappu’ is from this root. Paravai (vallinam) means bird which is able to see bigger areas and travels longer distance.
The people who traveled along sea were called ‘Paravar’ / Parathavar’. They were good mariners. They engaged in sea trades of ancient times.(1)
Sea food is favourite food all over the world from time immorial. Pandya’s symbol “Meen”(fish) and their civilizational influences present all ancient civilizations. Readers can go through “Tamil elderiness to world languages’ thread for more details.
Tamil chola King Karikala II was praised in Third sankam ‘Pattinappalai’ which talks about ‘Kaveripoompatinam’ the head of Sea trade in those days. Satthan (present Chetti) Ma-naikan were trade heads.
Through Nagappattinam, Trades with China and South Asian Countries were carried out.(2)
For trading Exchange symbol ‘Kasu’(coin) was used. In Indian sub-continent these kind of ‘Muththirai Kasu’ (branded coins)- foremost coins were only in tamil.
Money researchers tell that there are almost no places in tamil Nadu without having these ancient ‘KASU’(coins)(3)
Chera’s coins (present kerala) in tamil were excavated in Karuvur, Mambalam, Vembavur,Darapuram,Veerasikamani which belongs to 300 BCE.(4) These are the foremost ancient coins in Indian sub-continent.(5)
Panini, (50 BCE) Grammarian for north India & West Asian languages used the word ‘KARSHA –PANAM’ (for exchange) which was from tamil ‘KASU-PANAM’.
During later half of 250 BCE Cholas published Cheppu(Cu) kasu which have been excavated in Karur(6) Tamil literature talks about Gold coins. But who will leave Gold coins to remain ?(7)
During 100 BCE Pandiyan ‘Peruvazhuthi’ published Cu coins.(8)
King Juleuis Ceasar published Romanian coins (46 BCE). These coins have been excavated in Thiruppur.(9)
In romanian history records tamil cities like Naravu(Naours), Thondi (Jundis), Musiri ( Mouziris), Neerkondal(Nelkonda), Porkadu (Bakare), Varkalai(Balita), Kumari ( Kommoi), Korkai (kolkai), Puducheri ( Poduke)Marakkanam (Saptama) Uraiyur (Argara) are specified as trade centres.
Ancient Sea trade of tamil produced many civilizations in Middle East and Western Africa including Egypt.
References :
(1)Traditional boats in Tamil literature in the history of traditional navigation. By V.S.Arul Raj, G. Victor Rajamanickkam, Edited by Dr. G. Victory Rajamanikkam and Dr. Y. Subbarayalu, Tamil University, Thanjavur, page 7-14.
(2)‘Pallavar Kala Varalaru’ – page 284, Dr.A.Swaminathan.
(3)Tamizhaka Tholliyal Chantrukal (Archeolgical evidences) page 2, by Allakudi Arumuka Sitaraman.
(4)Same as (3) page 14-15
(5)Same as (3) Foreword.
(6)The Hindu. 31.10.1998.
(7)Ketti mudali Arasarkal –Tamil Nadan page 132.
(8)Sankam tamil coins, page 18-20 & 26 by R. Krishnamurthy.
(9)Same as (3) page 17
f.s.gandhi
"Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudi"- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated
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16th June 2006, 01:59 AM
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Great post sir.
But i have a little question how do you know the date of the Tolkappiam ?
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