Kumari Kandam

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Topic started by Kannan (@ 203.197.177.184) on Sun Jul 9 06:58:22 .


There is always references in many tamil ilakyangal regarding existance of Kumari Kandam down south of present TamilNadu. I am interested in knowing facts about the same and discoveries, if any made by any person/s. Let us also share our knowledge of literary works that speaks about Kumari Kandam. Thank you Kannan

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Kumari Kandam:

This infact is an interesting topic. There are some interesting accounts of this available in old tamil litt. But the information is not complete. The only information we know now is there was a vast land mass that was submerged inside the Indian Ocean. It had a river also called "Pahruli Aaru". This land mass was there to the south of present day's Kanya-kumari. There is also a theory in Geographical sciences that there was a very big continent stretching from africa to east-indies. There are evidences to bolster their claims. Infact they even claim that India and Srilanka were once a united landmass. The submergence of the continent should have been a slow and gradual process. The outcome being scattered island-groups from africa to australia. Madagaskar, Lakshadweep, Andamans, and Indonesian islands may all be fragments of this massive continents.


There is another interesting information about the submergence of land inside the sea. The Madurai city mentioned in the literatures of Sangam age was located on the shores of bay-of-bengal. It submerged into the sea and the Pandya king redesigned the city at a place called Kapatapuram. This again was submerged after some time and so the King built third Madurai beyond the reaches of the sea.This should have occured long long back. It is my opinion that after seeing calamities at this scale mankind would have conjured up the concept of Pralayam or Oozi. The recent occurence of such an incident which submerged Danushkoti suggest that the process is still alive.


I feel a proper study of this would lead to a more agreeable theory on the origin of Dravidian race. Aryan invasion theory, I feel, is not all that impresive. I will come back with other important points that I have collect on this later.

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IMHO

Kumari Kandam myth is not unique to us but shows our antiquity. The flood of the bible is also born of similar experience people had over eons. Humans have been living with a language and culture to communicate at least for 150,000 years. Any upheaval, which happened before that, is not in our cultural memory. What is in our cultural memory is probably what happened during the last 50,000 years. Submerging of continents happened millions of years ago, but Polar regions did evaporate and create major sea level risings within the last 70,000 years. In fact just 15,000 years ago such a calamity happened so the Kumari Kandam legend needs to be looked in that context. It is a pre historic memory of the people, which has been passed down the generations because it was of such calamity. Details of Madurai and books and Kings are later additions to a shared ethnic legend. Now I do not want people claiming that I must not be a Tamil because I believe so

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Add to this the seasonal monsoon activity, which has a habit of lashing out at Tamil Nadu coast regularly. Just imagine if a "super cyclone" of the sorts, which recently hit Orissa leading to over 50,000 deaths had hit ancient Tamil Nadu coast! It would have taken away any semblance of civilization for many generations. I would look to such plausible reasons to explain the Kumari Kandam than non-existent continents and submergence of Islands

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there was an ocean research funded by USA, France
and 2 other countries on South of Kanya Kumari.
Its was put under abeyance since 1960's
Their intial claim was that they found mountains under sea. This project has to be taken very seriously and must be started again.
Many startling details are yet to come.....

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Will ppl like JayBee, Mani, Chandra share their views about Kumari Kandam, literary references to kumari kandam etc., If this issue had already been discussed , pls provide a link
Thanks

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I am not sure if this thread has run its course long ago (today's date 10th October 2003), but, Perhaps a clue to the existence of Kuamari Kandam mentioned in Tamil Literature can be found in the Indian Ocean seabed map prepared initially in the 1960's (I believe by the Scrips Institution of Oceanography, USA) as part of a worldwide mapping project of the Oceans. I saw one of these maps as early as in the 70's, and would encourage others too to look up similar maps (in any fairly detailed World Atlas showing seabed contours).

You would then see that Somewhat South West of India, the Indian continental shelf extends all the way from the Lakshdweep Isles at the Northern end to the Maldives and the Chagos Archipelago (with Diego Garcia) at the Southern end. This is a stretch of about a couple of thousand miles length, and roughly a hundred miles wide in many places along that length. The depth of this extension of the Asian continental shelf is only a few hundred feet compared to the surrounding Ocean which is many thousands of feet deep. Hence during the Ice ages, before 8000 B.C. the shallow seas wher the Maldives and Lakshadweep Isles lie today would have been exposed, because sealevels Worldwide were lower during this period.

It is commonly believed that during this same Ice Age, other Islands elsewhere in the World were also connected to their continental neighbours - ie; Britain to Europe; perhaps Cuba to Florida; Papua New Guinea and Tasmania to Australia; Sri Lanka to Tamil Nadu, and the Indonesian Isles of Sumatra, Java and Borneo to the South Eas Asian mainland. Perhaps Under Sea Archeology which is well developed in the Mediterranean, the North Sea and the Baltic sea in Europe should be started in India on a large scale. I understand that some work has been done in relation to Ancient Dwaraga in Western India. But how about a start being made with ancient port cities on the coast of Eastern, Southern and Western India: eg; Kaverippoompattinam (Puhar) which reputedly went under the sea in the first or second century A.D. Korkai, Musiri are some of the other names that come to mind. Perhaps another generation of marine archeologists with better technologies at their disposal could then start to look for clues of Kumari Kandam, further away from the Indian coast.

regards to all,
Chitta Ranjan Mylvaganam,
Sydney, Australia.
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Kindly refer

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3002 and

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of tamil literature column also.

KADAL KOL’(Sea disaster) happened in the south of present Kanyakumari. If we dive into the Indian Ocean the ancient history Tamils / world can be proved.

Though archeological evidences got in ‘Porunai valley civilization’ other evidences are lying with tamil literature and somewhat in Sanskrit literature.

As per the book, ‘Tamil nattu varalatril Elakkia Aatharangal’(Literature evidences of tamil history) – 200 B.C to 1300 A.D. written by P. Suriya Narayanan talks about kumari kandam.

He refered the following tamil literature and give some conclusions about ‘KUMARI KANDAM’.

1. Tholkappia paayiram – Panamparanar and explanatory note of Elampooranar for paayiram
2. Erayanar Akapporul Urai and the Nakkeerar explanatory note for this.
3. Kaliththokai – Mullai kali pattu 104
4. Silappathikaram – Pukar kandam & madurai kandam & Adiyarkku Nallar explanatory note.

From the above,

1.During first sankam period from kanyakumari till ‘Pagruli Aaru’ a big land was there.
2.There two rivers pagruli & kumari run . In between kumari mountain was there.
3. Due to first kadalkol from the land between pagruli river and kumari mountain plunged into the Ocean.
4.Panamparanar poetry specifies kumari river and kumari mountain and calls this land as kurumpanai Naadu.
5.During Tholkappiar period this land also plunged in ocean with kumari river because of another ‘kadalkol’
6.Because of these two ‘kadalkol’s Kumari became as border of tamilnadu.
7.A long series of mountains were there from south end kumari / from the end of Western mountains to Island Madagaskar. This is called kumari malai and mahendram in Sanskrit literature.

A saiva book ‘sivatharu mothram’ says “after a mountain called ‘pothiyil’ in tamil mountain ‘Mahendram’ was there”.

The land is called ‘lemuria’ by Professor Scot Eliyat.

Though puranas are stories they contain some information of contemporary happenings since this happenings induce their story telling.

‘KADAL KOL’ that refered by Mathyasa Puranam : Akkini puranam : sathapatha pramanam.

1. A fish cautioned the king ‘Manu’ that Earth will plunge into water due to flood and so escape through ‘marakkalam’(Boat)- Mathyasa Puranam.

2. A big fish cautioned the king ‘vaivasvatha Manu’ that within 7 days earth will plunge into water and so escape through boat. – Akkini puranam.

3. Towards one part of western mountain the box of Manu was taken by flood. Then the other part of mountain plunged into water. – Satha patha puranam.

4. With the same above Manu is mentioned as Dravida King and did after floods a ‘Puja’ was done by him. – Pakavatha puranam.

5. In river ‘Palaaru’ Manu did his rituals after flood.- Mahabharatha (Vana parvam)

The above was the views of P.Suriya Narayanan.

The historian B.S.Upaththiyaya repeated the story of ‘Satha patha Puranam’ and compared it with the ‘kadalkol’ of Baabylonia and interpreted that Babylonia kadalkol is some three hundred years before what puranam says and this has been registered as ‘Koombu’ structure script.

This must be the 2nd Kadal kol happened during Tholkappiar period.

He further elaborate that the kurus who performed the rituals for Manu were called ‘Asiriyar’ / Asurar / Asuras.

Eventhough we cannot get archeological proofs now If we invent Indian ocean with new ideas we can surely get.


f.s.gandhi

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Dear Friends,

'KUMARI KANDAM' research should be continued and lot of scholars put in favour of kumari kandam

Vanmeekarum Thamilum’(Valmeekar and Tamil) by ‘Narayanan Ayyankar’ gives some messages that tamil was used all over India during Third Kadalkol period when Manu went North.

A part of Himalaya was called ‘Kuyilaluvam’ which is refered in Silapathikaram. So tamil was used in north India.

Akaththiyar learnt tamil in Himalaya. Hence tamil was used in north India before sankam period.

Akaththiyar brought 18 kings and 18 ‘Velir’ from north India. Their generations did not speak other than tamil. So Tamils prevailed in north India.

In North India the folk dances are called ‘Kudam’ and ‘Koothu’ in many parts and so they might have followed tamil in prehistoric period.

In Aththinapuram Gouthaman made poetry on Tharuma puththiran and this is mentioned in Purananooru. Hence ‘Kurunaadu’ in north India had tamil usage.

Gouravar ‘Niraikodal’, Kannan ‘vidaiyeru thaluval’ and ‘Kudak koothaduthal’ specifies tamil practices during ‘pandava’ period.

‘Perunkathai’ specifies that a lot of tamil people were there in ‘Ujjayini’.

f.s.gandhi

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Dear Friends,

An Abstract message from the Book , ‘The mystery / suspenses of Indian Ocean’ By Alexander Gondarav – A Russian Archeologist and historian about ‘KUMARI KANDAM”

Based on Geologists World eminent historians have already proved the existence of kumari kandam. This includes western archeologists also. The research of Scot Eliate and Hikkael shows the existence of Lemuria Kandam (kumari kandam).

Federich Angel a friend of Karl Marx specifies Kondwana (kumari) kandam is the origin of world civilizations.

Indian Plants and animals matches with Madagaskar Plants and animals. There is one branch of short persons are available in Equator countries men. Like the persons who lived in Andaman Nichobar Islands before Stone age, in Africa, Malaya, New Gunea and Filiphines the short persons live. This is the proof that once Africa connected through land with South India and South Asian countries.

From Indian Ocean Two series of Mountains heightened further specifies Big Sea disaster happened in South of India.

In one kilometer deep of Indian Ocean the essence of Volcanoes specifies The land which was there in south of India plunged into water.

The one part of land which plunged into West Indian Ocean is present Indian sub-continent.

The Structure of south, west and East coast of south India shows the evidences of land immersion.

Enough proofs are there that South America,South Africa, South India and Australia with Antartica were connected by land.

The nest of birds who live in South Africa, South India and Australia found same. Sand worms who live in Sri Lanka, South India & Australia found the same.

The animals who have some boxes in their body for their young ones live in South America and Ausralia and this specifies earlier the two continents must have been connected through land.

All world Anthropologists say that Man has transformed from Monkey to Homosepian in kumari kandam.

Densed hot forests, Around them in the directions South east , south and North a land of Volcanoes were the picture of Kondwana land having the temperature fittable for the life of insects and animals.

Approximately around 70000 years Lemur monkeys came into being.

The words Manthi and Manthan available in tamil and this specifies Man evolved from Monkey.

‘Thenpulaththar’ worship prevails in south India probably shows that they pray to their ancestors who died in sea disaster.

P.S Upaththyaya quotes this in his Book, ‘Feeders of Indian Culture’ and tells ‘Aanmanthi’ is the root of ‘Hanumanth’.

f.s.gandhi