Carnatic Ragas in IR's Music

RR · 25th February 2005, 03:33 PM

Here: http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/hub/v...?p=65549#65549

Is this a different vel?

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**vel** · 26th February 2005, 11:00 PM

Yeah i got the chance of meeting Fr.Jegath of tamil maiyam as said in the link you posted.

But not IR

**vel** · 27th February 2005, 05:46 PM

And RR...

Yen innum latest ILAIYARAGAM file upload pannale (in TFMPage) ?

RR · 28th February 2005, 09:24 PM

Oops.. it had gone into my spam folder. I've uploaded it.

BTW, can you post links to some good non-tamil ragabased songs of IR?

**vel** · 3rd March 2005, 06:41 PM

Thanks RR...

PURV wud be able to help u better.

RR · 11th March 2005, 01:12 PM

I listened to 'Raagam azhaithu vandha geetham' (kanmani oru kavithai). Great song! You've listed it as 'darbaari'. The chitra part is definitely darbaari. But what about the starting Bombay Jayshri part? Is it not Jog-ish?

**Nitya** · 23rd April 2005, 11:29 AM

Hi Vel. I have some breaking news for you. The song 'Veenaikku Veenai Kunju' is NOT based on Kosalam raagam. How do I know? I have heard a krithi by TN Seshagopalan in Kosala raagam. It is a raaga where emphasis is given to the uttaranga swaras (p d2 n3 S) more so than the poorvanga swaras (s r3 g3 m2). Thus, the bhavam of 'Veenaikku Veenai' does not agree with the bhavam of the said raaga. The song seems to follow the Vakhulabharanam scale. Notice I only said scale. I think that if this were to be called a raaga, it would have to be Ahiri.

The other two songs you said were based on Kosalam are also erratic assumptions. Maybe you meant Ahiri-based? I'm not sure that the said songs are pure Ahiri. Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Nitya

**vel** · 9th May 2005, 05:41 PM

I will listen to some krithis and thendecide.

RR, adikka varaadheenga, but i am not able to get hold of the song, i listened quite a long time ago.

RR · 10th May 2005, 03:05 PM

vel

It's on musicindiaonline..

**vel** · 5th June 2005, 06:29 PM

RR, i have given this a thought, and there is no doubt that there is more of jog (thilang too?), and in fact, i start to see less and less of darbari.

Purv, since there has been so much of doubts regarding kosalam - i am keeping these two songs as keeravani for the time being...

Dear all - one of the ilaiyaragam group members, sriram, had earlier contended that "enakku piditha padal" was jonpuri and not dharbari kanada. Usage wise, i think the scale used is in fact jonpuri [s r2 m1 p d1 n2 sa, sa n2 d1 p m1 g2 r2 s], though it may lack the characteristic phrases of the raga (like ni2 ri2 g2 ri2 g2).

However, i think 'engengu nee sendra podhum' from ninaikka therindha manamae is a more precise jonpuri.