HUB ODI Post 90's Team - W/k slot - Nom's open till 02/05.

[jinju]

Jinju, the question is one of role. Show me his record when batting without the luxury of a super batting lineup to follow.post powerplay stats enna?
Rhetoric thavirththu, show me the stats.
(YArAvadhu pongi statsguru query pOduvIngannu pArthA...only rhetoric varudhu..hmmm)

Plum,

If we go by statistics, then we can run a statsguru query for each position and select a team, right? We need a powerful hitter down the order and if he is a batsman as solid as Gilly, why would you look out for some other person?

adhellAm sari. I am just interested in the numbers. Numbers do tell a story, though you have to scrounge through to get the right numbers. Statistics is not all lies as long as you get the right measures.
In this case, a simple calculation of his post 15 overs performance will surely be a good indicator. We cannot measure how he'll perform when denied the luxury of a super lineup - his deccan chargers record came after his prime so I will not hold it against him.

Anyway, the case for Dhoni is equally strong given his ability to clear the ropes and ability to consolidate when early wickets fall. As a batsman, Dhoni can quite give Gilly a run for his money. An average of nearly 50 with 80 plus strike rate after 6-7 years of ODI experience is not to be scoffed at.

Ok, the point is it is not as unopposed as some of you would have us believe. It is not, like, Sachin for opener. That is a open and shut case - even that had its naysayers here, you know it. I cant imagine a consensus in favour of electing Gilly unopposed

not underestimating/berating MSD's qualities, but since u r questioning Gilly's 'inability' to clear the ropes in non-powerplay overs, can u state when this last happened?!

[Plum]

jinj, I am not questioning Gilly's abilities but am asking for his stats. There is a difference. Batting after powerplay overs is not about ability to clear ropes but an ability to adapt to a different set of circumstances.

For good or bad, Gilly throughout his career had only one batting role in ODIs - come in as opener, open fire with all cylinders on, care a damn about getting shot down because a quality backup force was backing him up. Will he buckle down and take the team from 79/5 in 23 Overs to 230/9 in 50 Overs? Or blaze all guns and lead them to 157 all out in 37 overs? Ok, so that is speculation but we can atleast get the numbers of did he ever change his approach after 15 overs in his career or it was always all guns blazing.

[Plum]

not underestimating/berating MSD's qualities, but since u r questioning Gilly's 'inability' to clear the ropes in non-powerplay overs, can u state when this last happened?!

idhai nInga kEkkalAm. nAn kEttA illai badhil sonnA rasApAsamA aauidum

[Movie Cop]

Jinju, LM, Feddy,
You guys are missing the point. It was Gilly thondargal who made outrageous claims that this poll is a no brainer, can't think of anyone but Gilly etc. kind of sweeping statements. So, I see Plum's post, in a way (whether intended or not), as a "tit-for-tat" sweeping retaliation of questioning Gilly record @ #7. Adhukku frofer-uhh reply pannAma, "annan-ukku baniyan size 42" range-le reply panreengale?

You guys claimed it, Plum is just asking to prove it. Adha vittutu, don't unnecassarily fut words in our mouths, I say! :P

[jinju]

not underestimating/berating MSD's qualities, but since u r questioning Gilly's 'inability' to clear the ropes in non-powerplay overs, can u state when this last happened?!

idhai nInga kEkkalAm. nAn kEttA illai badhil sonnA rasApAsamA aauidum

adhukku thaan careful-a phrase pannirukken

ok, yaaraavadhu stat gurus stats podungappaa. let Plum breathe easy.

irundhaalum yendra vote MSDkku dhaan. coz i believe if not for captaincy, he wudn't have changed his game to what it is now. and with Steve Waugh as captain of the team, this guy can be what he was, once...THE DESTROYER, and he does it better than anyone I have seen, barring Viv Richards! as for glovework, he n Gilly r same to same. if that was the only criteria, Moin Khan/Latif idhula yaaraavadhu choose pannalaame.

[Dinesh84]

Dravit

[Movie Cop]

Ok, on a serious note, quite honestly, wearing a Chappell/Boycott hat, I don't see a place for Gilly in a wEld XI if he is not playing as an opener. Given Sachin's place is granted as opener - it just boils down to SeyasuriyaR or Gilly. I would have voted for Gilly over SeyasuriyaR but I joined this poll a bit late. Like SeyasuriyaR, Gilly is a "spot specialist". A batsman who can go over the top out of sheer timing, and more importantly with field restrictions in place. If not an opener, the intimidation factor for the opponents/bowlers is diluted by a good 60-70%.

At #7, and we are looking at the arrival anywhere around 35-40th over, the likes of Voucher, Moin Khan, Dhoni, McCullum or even DeVilliers can clear a well spread out field more consistently with brute power and muscle flexing. Even *strirtly* in WK'ing mode, the likes of Boucher, Healy and Richardson can beat Gilly fair and square. But this is not Test cricket. So, it'sok. We are looking for a hard hitting batsman during slog overs who could also keep wickets. So, let's discount the likes of Healy and Richardson. So, Voucher it is.

As I said, I'd picked Gilly as an opener but if Gilly misses the slot as an opener, that means he is not going to be in the team.

[Movie Cop]

My 3 nominEsans for the #7 batting spot (who could also keep wickets):

#1. Voucher
#2. Dhoni
#3. Moin Khan

(Outside suffort: McCullum, DeVilliers)

I don't mind even if my favourite Voucher is not selected in the team. But I would hate to see Gily picked at #7 ahead of anyone of the above 5.

RR, Saurov, Kalyasi, Maddy, Thirumaran matrum annaithu Dhoni kazhaga kanmanigal ellorum, "Annan" dhoni-ai jeikka vaikumaaru vendikkolgiren.

[jinju]

Ok, on a serious note, quite honestly, wearing a Chappell/Boycott hat, I don't see a place for Gilly in a wEld XI if he is not playing as an opener. Given Sachin's place is granted as opener - it just boils down to SeyasuriyaR or Gilly. I would have voted for Gilly over SeyasuriyaR but I joined this poll a bit late. Like SeyasuriyaR, Gilly is a "spot specialist". A batsman who can go over the top out of sheer timing, and more importantly with field restrictions in place. If not an opener, the intimidation factor for the opponents/bowlers is diluted by a good 60-70%.

At #7, and we are looking at the arrival anywhere around 35-40th over, the likes of Voucher, Moin Khan, Dhoni, McCullum or even DeVilliers can clear a well spread out field more consistently with brute power and muscle flexing. Even *strirtly* in WK'ing mode, the likes of Boucher, Healy and Richardson can beat Gilly fair and square. But this is not Test cricket. So, it'sok. We are looking for a hard hitting batsman during slog overs who could also keep wickets. So, let's discount the likes of Healy and Richardson. So, Voucher it is.

As I said, I'd picked Gilly as an opener but if Gilly misses the slot as an opener, that means he is not going to be in the team.

MC, indha rendu hat pottu neenga judgment sonnaa, Plum eathukka maattaar yenna oruthar avaroda kudumba edhiri, innoruthar Yenglees man! so adha edit pannunga

indha Gilly's effectiveness diluted by this much, no fear factor if not in powerplay idhellaam hypothetic assumptions

[Movie Cop]

Rashid Latif thambi kooda "OK" saice for #7 but Moin Khan is lot more reliable and much more of a power hitter.