What a shame!

[app_engine]

For God's Sake! Hitler made the German Army go from a mere 100,000 to Millions in a Span of just 5 Years, and also Conquered where ever he choosed for the beggining and middle of WWII!! (France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and some Territories of the Soviet Union!) In all Fairness, he had all of Germany under his spell, and millions of Germans joined just to fullfil Hitler's vision of Germany...But Still!

What happened to his conquests in the end?

Where is/are he / his followers / ideologies?

And do you want Indian gov to imitate him and destroy millions of lives?

Doesn't sound logical...

[sathya_1979]

For God's Sake! Hitler made the German Army go from a mere 100,000 to Millions in a Span of just 5 Years, and also Conquered where ever he choosed for the beggining and middle of WWII!! (France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and some Territories of the Soviet Union!) In all Fairness, he had all of Germany under his spell, and millions of Germans joined just to fullfil Hitler's vision of Germany...But Still!

What happened to his conquests in the end?

Where is/are he / his followers / ideologies?

And do you want Indian gov to imitate him and destroy millions of lives?

Doesn't sound logical...

This is a 2-part information. First part is increasing the strength and second part is the greed to conquer the world. I presume Stiglitz advocated only the first part. When you have lots of thieves, rogues and robbers in your area, it would be wise to fortify your home.

[Stiglitz]

Sathya,

Exactly!

App_Engine,

If Hitler has only conquered the areas which were robbed from Germany by the Victors of the First World War, and other Areas which had a large German Population, it'd would've been Fine!

When Hitler marched into Austria, the Allies didn't Declare war. When Hitler Took over the Sudatenland portion of Chech, the allies didn't declare war.

It was after he invaded Poland. Which is unnecessary!

If nazies did exactly what they did, but didn't go Land Hungry, and anti-semetic to the point of exterminating a race, i think Germany would be Freaggin Awesome under them. But thats not possible, but that's what I was reffering to there.

* Make the Indian Army and Army to Fear. Indian Army = Nightmares which seem so real and cause Chronic Insomnia. That's desperatly needed now IMO.

Pak romba vaal atudhu, and China just keeps occupying Indian Territories. What must we do?

[sathya_1979]

Indian army is already capable enough to drive out Pak out of POK and establish peace in Kashmir. But, as I mentioned, do we have the leaders with strong will and commitment to do that?

[Stiglitz]

Indian army is already capable enough to drive out Pak out of POK and establish peace in Kashmir. But, as I mentioned, do we have the leaders with strong will and commitment to do that?

Definatley Don't!

[podalangai]

Indian army is already capable enough to drive out Pak out of POK and establish peace in Kashmir.

Driving Pak out of POK will not necessarily establish peace in Kashmir. I'm not convinced the people of POK will joyously accept Indian rule, for one.

And there's also the question of what China will do if we go to war with Pakistan. They're hardly likely to remain perfectly neutral in fact, even if they remain neutral on paper.

[podalangai]

Can't the Govt just launch a series of attacks using Indian Special Forces or something in Chatisgar first, and then go one by one? IMO The Indian Army is Completely underused, and there is PLENTY of room for Improvement. In an earlier Maoist Attack an Army General said that the Soldiers weren't trained to fight this way.....

This Is The Nation's Army!!! They're supposed to be a LETHAL FIGHTING MACHINE which'll delivery Death where ever it GOES! Soldiers are supposed to be "The Toughest, Cruelest, Most Unforgiving Bastards in God's Cruel Kingdom!"

I think you misunderstand the general's point. The 'jungle' in which the Maoists operate is quite heavily populated by Gonds and other Adivasis. A full-scale operation of the sort you're talking about won't be able to distinguish them from the Maoists. It will kill thousands of innocent Indian citizens and render lakhs homeless. That is what the General was talking about when he said Indian soldiers aren't trained to fight this way.

[sathya_1979]

Indian army is already capable enough to drive out Pak out of POK and establish peace in Kashmir.

Driving Pak out of POK will not necessarily establish peace in Kashmir. I'm not convinced the people of POK will joyously accept Indian rule, for one.

And there's also the question of what China will do if we go to war with Pakistan. They're hardly likely to remain perfectly neutral in fact, even if they remain neutral on paper.

Even the Hyderabad as a State wanted to remain independent / join Pak (IIRC). Didn't Sardar Patel brought them to their knees? We need intelligent and strong leaders. China will surely try and encroach us if we go at war vs Pak. So, India is already building a network in Far East to counter Chinese Footprints alongside Malacca Strait which is supplying 80% of Chinese Oil Requirements. If we choke them there, we can make China suffocate. Alliance with Japan, Taiwan etc would be a wise option.

[sathya_1979]

Can't the Govt just launch a series of attacks using Indian Special Forces or something in Chatisgar first, and then go one by one? IMO The Indian Army is Completely underused, and there is PLENTY of room for Improvement. In an earlier Maoist Attack an Army General said that the Soldiers weren't trained to fight this way.....

This Is The Nation's Army!!! They're supposed to be a LETHAL FIGHTING MACHINE which'll delivery Death where ever it GOES! Soldiers are supposed to be "The Toughest, Cruelest, Most Unforgiving Bastards in God's Cruel Kingdom!"

I think you misunderstand the general's point. The 'jungle' in which the Maoists operate is quite heavily populated by Gonds and other Adivasis. A full-scale operation of the sort you're talking about won't be able to distinguish them from the Maoists. It will kill thousands of innocent Indian citizens and render lakhs homeless. That is what the General was talking about when he said Indian soldiers aren't trained to fight this way.

Valid concern and very true. But, there should be a way to counter the naxals. I read a news around 1 - 1.5 years back. A bandit in one of the northern state was killed after 3-4 days of intense fight. He was fighting 300-400 policemen! 1 Vs 400 Reason - He was hiding among the villagers and using them as shield. Naxals are employing same strategy. So, flush out option can be ruled out. We need to formulate a different strategy to neutralize this threat.

[Stiglitz]

Indian army is already capable enough to drive out Pak out of POK and establish peace in Kashmir.

Driving Pak out of POK will not necessarily establish peace in Kashmir. I'm not convinced the people of POK will joyously accept Indian rule, for one.

And there's also the question of what China will do if we go to war with Pakistan. They're hardly likely to remain perfectly neutral in fact, even if they remain neutral on paper.

That's why before these things happen, we must improve the Power of the Indian Army first. Increase Numbers, Weapons, Alter War/Fighting Ethics. Whatever Necessary. If India invades Pak or Drives out the Pakies from POK now, it'd be a lot harder to handle the repercussions. No Doubt! It shouldn't be done now with the current state that the Indian Armed Forces.

That is what the General was talking about when he said Indian soldiers aren't trained to fight this way.

Thanks for the Clarification. I thought he was talking abt Guerrilla Warfare in General.

China will surely try and encroach us if we go at war vs Pak. So, India is already building a network in Far East to counter Chinese Footprints alongside Malacca Strait which is supplying 80% of Chinese Oil Requirements. If we choke them there, we can make China suffocate. Alliance with Japan, Taiwan etc would be a wise option.