Ilayarajas songs in different thalams

[sdeepak]

I dont know if there is already a discussion forum concerning this topic. If there is one please excuse me.

Most of the songs in TFM are set to the 4 beat sequence. And this leads us to the classic Adi thalam. Ilayaraja has composed a few pieces in different thalams. Some of them which i quote from the top of my head are " OM Namaha" from 'Idaiyathai Thirudathey' which is set in misra nadai and " Meetaatha Oru Veenai" from ' Poonthotam ' which is set in kandam.

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I have also heard that he has composed a few songs in jampa thalam, but havent been able to locate them.

SD

[ananth222]

good topic.
IR has loads of songs in different thaalams, and even in the 4 beat songs he introduces very nice rhythmic patterns.

he has numerous great songs in 7 beats, to list a few:
Isaiyil thodanguthamma (Hey Ram)
Gangai karai mannan adi (Varusham 16)
Paattaale buddhi sonnaar (Karagaattakaaran)
Pottu vaitha oru vatta nila (Idhayam)
and many more...

and "raasathi unna kaanaadha nenju" (Vaidhehi kaaathirunthaal) is in kanda nadai (8 beat cycle with each count in 5 beats).. what a masterpiece song!

[thamizhvaanan]

Some of the songs with long thalams that comes to mind immediately are "Aiyaa veedu" froma kadhalukku mariyadhai and "valai osai" from sathya.

Compare these with songs like "putham pudhu kalai", "eeramana rojave" . This is called mastery

[ananth222]

this thaalam stuff is really interesting.

"meettaatha oru veenai" from Poonthottam probably deserves a thread by itself. Its in kanda chaapu but the first interlude seems to bring interesting thaalam variations. In the pallavi we can clearly count "tha ka tha ki ta" (2+3=5) but the first interlude (after the violin starts) seems to go more like "tha ka dhi mi tha ka" (2+4=6) (follow the drums).

Maybe experts can shine more light on this...

[sdeepak]

ananth,

the song "meettaatha oru veenai" presents some interesting variations in the first interlude and i have to listen to it more intently to understand it better.

The song ' raasaathi unna kaanaadha' is set in triputa thaalam ( 8 beat cycle) tisra nadai ( 3/beat) ..

Few other songs in tisra nadai are

1. Paruvame from 'Nenjathai Killathe'

2. Unnai Naan Ariven from 'Guna' - The song switches to mel kaalam in the latter half.

SD

SD

[ananth222]

yup sorry I was wrong abt raasaathi, its in tisra nadai.
I recalled it wrongly in my mind.

the song in kanda nadai is "azhagau malar aada abhinayangal kooda" from the same movie, not raasaathi onna...
would u call it kanda nadai or just kanda chaapu?

[njv]

yup sorry I was wrong abt raasaathi, its in tisra nadai.
I recalled it wrongly in my mind.

the song in kanda nadai is "azhagau malar aada abhinayangal kooda" from the same movie, not raasaathi onna...
would u call it kanda nadai or just kanda chaapu?

makkalae, dont know how you are identifying all these. I really envy you. just to understand raaga and thaala, i am learning carnatic for last 2 years - but believe me, with the phase i am going, i will retire first before knowing these. u guys are great.

[thumburu]

Hi guys, interesting discussion atlast!!! What do you feel about this song
"solai kiLigal rendu
Konji konji kulavudhamma", a Mano/SJ beauty of a duet set to GowriManohari scale. Film : Kovil KaaLai

[Vkrish]

Kanda Thalam is normally used for aggressive numbers such "azhagau malar aada abhinayangal kooda" or Siva Thandavam songs. But i think IR broke the custom and used this for a most melodious KJJ number ... Any guess !!!

It is "Mazhai Varudhu Mazhai Varudhu Kudai Kondu vaa ...".
Plz correct me if i am wrong.

[sdeepak]

As vkrish says, kanda chapu is used for fast dance steps, but it can also be used to compose melodious slow numbers if the 5 beats are spread over 2, 3 or even 4 cycles and by slowing down the tune. Classic example from carnatic is 'seetha kalyanam'



Another melodious song in kandam is " Alai meedu " from 'Kadhal Kavithai'.