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    Very beautifully condensed message.

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    Srimad Bhagawatham does not mention Radha by name at all. It does speak of a Gopi who speaks the Bramara Gita when Uddhava comes visiting and has been held to be Radha.

    Radha, on the other hand, has an immortal place in the legends of Krishna, and as SP has so beautifully pointed out, there is Seetha Rama, and Lakshmi Narasimha but not Rukmini Krishna, only Radha Krishna, the Radha that He never married.

    Radha is said to be Dhara, the Earth, and hence there is a tale that links her to Satyabhama who is also a manifestation of the Dharthi.

    Some texts also hold Srimati Radharani above even Rukmini and Satyabhama etc and hold that it these 16108 'wives'of Krishna were all manifestations of Srimati Radharani

    Some people hold Radha to be a paternal aunt of Krishna, even and that she certainly was elder to Krishna by several years. That when the lad Krishna was 8 (during the time of the Rasa), she was nearly 30 or 35.

    The stories also have it that Radha was so imbued in Krishna tatwa that she herself became one with Krishna. That her fair complexion was lost and she became dark like Him.

    But one thing is held to be the Truth amongst all these versions. That Radha represents Prakriti and Krishna, the Purusha. Radha, the Jeevatma and Krishna, the Paramatma.

    The Puranas have several stories - amongst these, some stories are just stories, others are not so much stories but symbols. In those kind of stories, it is better to not give more importance to the story as much as to the truth behind the story. Indeed, some of these stories probably even need to censored! But such stories too have found place in the Puranas only to cater to everyone, the masses.

    Just as even a serious film suddenly breaks into a hip swiveling, pelvic thrusting dance sequence, the Puranas suddenly go off into a spicy titillating story.

    But behind these stories too there is a deeper truth. The authors of these texts were clear in the vision - we present the story here, with the truth behind it. Those who can get beyond the story to the truth alone deserve the truth, the others can be entertained by the mere story.

    To know the hidden truth, there is no recourse but the Guru, as Krishna Himself says.

    "Tat viddhi prani patena pari prashnena sevaya
    Upadekshayanti te jnanam jnaninaastatwadarshinaha"

    Learn this truth by humble prostrations, questioning and service to the jnanis, the tatwadarshis who will impart it to you.

    Thus, separating the chaff from the grain with the help of the Guru, the understanding dawns upon one that Krishna Leela is happening in the hrudaya of everyone all the time. The Jiva is Radha, the Antaryami is Krishna. When the Jiva longs for Him, He shows Himself.

    Then, suddenly, He hides Himself after showing a glimpse. The Jiva then yearns for Him, pines for Him and secures a oneness with him in the end.

    With Salokya first, then Sameepya, then Sarupya and finally, Sayujya, Radha represents the journey of the soul to its source.
    When we stop labouring under the delusion of our cosmic self-importance, we are free of hindrance, fear, worry and attachment. We are liberated!!!

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    Radha is Nappinnai and Neelha-devi


    Quote Originally Posted by Badri
    Srimad Bhagawatham does not mention Radha by name at all. It does speak of a Gopi who speaks the Bramara Gita when Uddhava comes visiting and has been held to be Radha.

    Radha, on the other hand, has an immortal place in the legends of Krishna, and as SP has so beautifully pointed out, there is Seetha Rama, and Lakshmi Narasimha but not Rukmini Krishna, only Radha Krishna, the Radha that He never married.

    Radha is said to be Dhara, the Earth, and hence there is a tale that links her to Satyabhama who is also a manifestation of the Dharthi.

    Some texts also hold Srimati Radharani above even Rukmini and Satyabhama etc and hold that it these 16108 'wives'of Krishna were all manifestations of Srimati Radharani

    Some people hold Radha to be a paternal aunt of Krishna, even and that she certainly was elder to Krishna by several years. That when the lad Krishna was 8 (during the time of the Rasa), she was nearly 30 or 35.

    The stories also have it that Radha was so imbued in Krishna tatwa that she herself became one with Krishna. That her fair complexion was lost and she became dark like Him.

    But one thing is held to be the Truth amongst all these versions. That Radha represents Prakriti and Krishna, the Purusha. Radha, the Jeevatma and Krishna, the Paramatma.

    The Puranas have several stories - amongst these, some stories are just stories, others are not so much stories but symbols. In those kind of stories, it is better to not give more importance to the story as much as to the truth behind the story. Indeed, some of these stories probably even need to censored! But such stories too have found place in the Puranas only to cater to everyone, the masses.

    Just as even a serious film suddenly breaks into a hip swiveling, pelvic thrusting dance sequence, the Puranas suddenly go off into a spicy titillating story.

    But behind these stories too there is a deeper truth. The authors of these texts were clear in the vision - we present the story here, with the truth behind it. Those who can get beyond the story to the truth alone deserve the truth, the others can be entertained by the mere story.

    To know the hidden truth, there is no recourse but the Guru, as Krishna Himself says.

    "Tat viddhi prani patena pari prashnena sevaya
    Upadekshayanti te jnanam jnaninaastatwadarshinaha"

    Learn this truth by humble prostrations, questioning and service to the jnanis, the tatwadarshis who will impart it to you.

    Thus, separating the chaff from the grain with the help of the Guru, the understanding dawns upon one that Krishna Leela is happening in the hrudaya of everyone all the time. The Jiva is Radha, the Antaryami is Krishna. When the Jiva longs for Him, He shows Himself.

    Then, suddenly, He hides Himself after showing a glimpse. The Jiva then yearns for Him, pines for Him and secures a oneness with him in the end.

    With Salokya first, then Sameepya, then Sarupya and finally, Sayujya, Radha represents the journey of the soul to its source.

    The narration of Puranas and Stories on Radha... in Sanskrit and other Languages...

    ... as well as the Charactersation... very well tally with Nappinna and Neelha-Devi's Stories.

    Alwars too have amply referred as Nappinna... who cannot be considered different from Radha.

    And so it is the common belief amongst Hindus... that Radha is the awathara of Neelha-devi at Sri-Vaikunta

    The statement of Mr Badri linking Radha with the Mother Earth, Bhooma-Devi is confusing to me.

    Only Andal is the Awathara of Bhoomi-devi. She prays to Radha in Thiruppavai addressing her and Krishna...

    ...as... "Nandagopalan Marumahalhae Nappinnaay... and as... "Nappinnai Kongai mael vaithu-kidandha malar-maarbaa"
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    அங்கும் இங்கும் வானவர் தானவர் யாவரும்
    எங்கும் இனையை என்று உன்னை அறியகிலாது அலற்றி
    அங்கம் சேரும் பூமகள் மண்மகள் "ஆய்மகள்"
    சங்கு-சக்கர கையவன் என்பர் சரணமே.
    - திருவாய்மொழி - 08-03-01.
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    Sudhaamaa

    There are several folk traditions surrounding Radha, and the one linking her to Bhoomi Devi is one such. I merely recounted some of the known traditions about Radha. If you see SP's original posting, there also she recounts this folklore that Radha extends herself as Satya.

    Also, there is no mention of Krishna ever marrying Radha, yet, Andal refers to Nappinnai as nadagopalan marumahal!

    Unless it meant marumahal as in niece for in those days, it was common for the "marumahal i.e. niece" to be the "marumahal" i.e daughter-in-law
    When we stop labouring under the delusion of our cosmic self-importance, we are free of hindrance, fear, worry and attachment. We are liberated!!!

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    Was Krishna a CHEAP man of--- LUSTY, LOOSE CHARACTER- ?



    Quote Originally Posted by Badri
    Sudhaamaa

    There are several folk traditions surrounding Radha, and the one linking her to Bhoomi Devi is one such. I merely recounted some of the known traditions about Radha. If you see SP's original posting, there also she recounts this folklore that Radha extends herself as Satya.

    Also, there is no mention of Krishna ever marrying Radha, yet, Andal refers to Nappinnai as nadagopalan marumahal!

    Unless it meant marumahal as in niece for in those days, it was common for the "marumahal i.e. niece" to be the "marumahal" i.e daughter-in-law
    Andal addresses Krishna in Thiruppaavai--

    --Nappinnai KONGAI-MAEL vaiththu kidandha Malar-maarbaa---

    ...describing the scene as she could see Krishna in bed... resting his head on Radha's (Nappinna) breasts.

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    Such Romantic scenes have been elaborately described in Bhagawatham too

    Then does it mean---

    ..that Krishna had moved too closely with an unmarried virgin girl Radha--- beyond the bounds of Moral character.?

    No. Not at all. Krishna was an Ideal Fore-runner emulative for Mankind-

    Krishna indeed did get married to Radha alias Nappinna-- according to Bhagawatham and Azhwars-

    There exists a wide custom amongst Hindus all over India-- named Radha-Kalyanam performed in the devotees' houses...

    --only in the sense of Radha-Krishna marriage-?

    And Radha-Krishna idols in temples and pictures in Pooja-rooms depict only such healthy sense.

    --Not as a bad example to be inculcated in the minds of youth-- a CHEAP lesson of immorality--

    ---nor over- liberty to move illegitimately with any virgin---

    -- spurred by lust-

    Bhagawatham and Azhwars are quite clear about it.--

    --conveying a high sense of SPIRITUAL INTIMACY-- between God and Man---

    ---depicted behind such Romantic SYMBOLISMS.!
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    My humble pranams and love to my Krishna

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    brought forward

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    Krishna's Radha...



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