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Thread: Racism and The Indian

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    Racism and The Indian

    [tscii]Yes, I am an Indian
    Kamna Arora

    http://www.zeenews.com/blog/38/blog132.html


    “You Indians are good in sweeping and mopping,” an Australian commented on me while I was working part-time with a global fast-food joint in Brisbane. The lady’s comment left me enraged, but honestly speaking, I could not respond because the statement came as a bolt from the blue. I had been in Brisbane for just two months at that time, and hence was not prepared for such a remark on my nationality. That was just the beginning of my tryst with racism.

    Recent incidents related to alleged racist bias against Indians in IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders and at an airport by Air France has forced me to pen down my encounter with racism in Australia, referred to as a ‘multi-cultural country’. Although I continue to have a number of Australian friends, I still feel the pain of being the target of racist comments during my stay in Brisbane, just because the colour of my skin was different and I hailed from India, still looked upon by many as the country full of poverty.

    I was consciously reminded again and again that I am a Brown, an Indian, to downgrade me. Well, I proudly call myself an Indian, and pity those who look down on others because they have a dark skin, directly hurting their own country’s image.

    “I support underdogs,” a British commented when a friend of mine asked him about the reason behind his support to the Indian cricket team. I was shocked to hear when another Indian friend told me that an Australian refused to take food from his hands because of his brown skin. Brown-skinned people, whether Indians, or Asians for that matter, are often the soft targets of goons or ‘bad elements’ in some parts of Australian cities. Recently, an Indian was robbed and beaten up in a moving train in Melbourne. And surely, there are a number of incidents that go unreported.

    “How did you afford to come to Australia?” is an oft-asked question there, as for White-skinned people Indians are synonymous with poverty. “The country is producing billionaires, Sir,” used to be my reply when faced with this question. I wrote White-skinned because the term actually includes Europeans, Americans, British and Australians. I wonder how they fail to recall the poverty in their respective country. Physicians, heal thyself!

    Why is it so that we Indians (most of us, especially those who haven’t travelled abroad) are crazy about foreigners and not vice-versa? Why do they not look at us with same excitement and enthusiastic smiles when we visit their countries?

    One of my neighbours has trade links with a Russian. He invited the Russian lady to his daughter’s wedding, and the whole ‘desi mohalla’ almost died for getting a picture clicked with that ‘videshi mahila’. Strange!

    Why do foreigners get more respect than us in our own country? While chatting with a colleague of mine the other day, I was told that a guard at a shop only reluctantly opened the door for him. However, the same guard did not only whole-heartedly welcome foreigners, but also bowed his head in respect.

    I guess the almighty dollar plays a big role in our attitude towards foreigners. But are we really so poor that we are ready to sell our country’s respect to gain a few dollars? We do not need to hang our heads in shame, I believe.

    Speaking off-the-cuff, I feel most of the time that we get racially abused by foreigners, because we feel that way for ourselves. The colonial attitude has failed to peter out in our mindset. For most of us Indians, a White-skinned person is always right. We feel thrilled if we get to talk to a foreigner even once in our lifetime.

    My experience teaches me that the more we try to imitate the English people, the more we lose ourselves. Here, ‘we’ refers to ‘Indians’. We can wear international brands, copy the American or British accent, or for that matter, get the residency permits, but one thing can never change and that is the skin of our colour. We will always be Brown, and always Indians. I am proud to be one, are you?
    Never argue with a fool or he will drag you down to his level and beat you at it through sheer experience!

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    I've been in the U.S. last six years and my experience is totally opposite

    People love / crave to eat my food (regardless of their color - white / black / brown / yellow) and most regard Indians as super brilliant / sober / balanced / having strong family values etc.

    Actually the Indian craving for 'fair skinned bride' or 'from same caste' is more nauseating than any adverse feeling shown by a crazy westerner, which are nowadays one-off kind of situations only.

    Ofcourse, sometimes I feel like 'வௌவால்' when whites complain about blacks and vice-versa to me which makes me wonder how those specific individuals talk about me in my absence. However, I dust off such situations - don't care.

    Have value, follow principles, keep educating others (both thru words and actions). Then all these perceived differences will vanish, IMHO.

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    what about the curry murder in melbourne?
    Never argue with a fool or he will drag you down to his level and beat you at it through sheer experience!

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    NOV,
    My knowledge on AU situation is very low My post is only about the situation in MI (and in most mid-west / east parts of U.S.) during the last few years.

    However it's true that perceived superiority / racism / violence has been one of the longest living crimes of humanity

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    racism - it cuts both ways - IMO, Indians per se are the most racist! we have caste-based distinctions, in fact, I know relatives, who shamelessly ask about a friend's caste BG when he/she comes visiting etc etc - much worse, Indians who come to the US have this nasty habit of giving nicknames to people of different racial backgrounds in a very derogatory manner

    AFAIK, I have not faced any racial abuse whatever anywhere in Europe or in the US - you be nice/polite and dignified with people, then people are gonna be the same with you as well - thats my experience

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    Ramona,
    Why struggle to quote what's there (or not there) in the scriptures when the actual practice is there for all to see?

    That way, if we take up whatever scriptures the majority of westerners "profess" to believe (The Bible), they were written in the east by "colored" people (and not in EU / AU / US)

    Neither there's any "color" distinction specified there but it teaches all are descendents of a single dad & mum )

    The problem is people have gone so far-far away from what they themselves claim as holy writings.

    So, we can only look at what's being "practiced" today by each "group" and only accordingly categorize / evaluate them.

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    I too feel that Indians are the most racist people in the world. Just see the headline of the article in the link provided below.

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/face-the-...121-37-p1.html
    இந்தக் காட்டில் எந்த மூங்கில் இசைக்க வல்லது என்று மயங்கிய பொழுது
    இறைவன் தேர்ந்தெடுத்தப் புல்லாங்குழல் தான் நம் இசைஞானி !!

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    RACIST ATTACK ON INDIANS IN AUSTRALIA

    In Australia, many of Asian ehthnic origin ( Indians ) are subjected to insults and injuries in the recent past.
    Professor Carl Belle Vadivella of Adelaide, (a white Muruga devotee, President of the Adelaide Vinayagar temple),who did his annual Thaipoosam Kavadi at Batu Caves in Malaysia for the last 15 years without a break ( wrote a book of over 500 pages on Thaipoosam Kavadi Festival ) brings out an objective analysis of the real causes and the background to the catastrophe. It is worth while pondering over.

    Curry bashing: a Perspective

    I am sorry to write a group email, but I am alarmed at how a particular issue has got completely out of hand, and has become the subject of some hysteria in the press, especially in India. And this is the issue of so-called "curry bashing", that is, attacks on ethnic Indians in the cities of Melbourne and Sydney.

    Basically the issue is as follows. Over the past two years there have been a number of attacks on ethnic Indians, mainly in Melbourne, but also in Sydney, and to a lesser extent in Adelaide. Much has been made of this, and I have read comments about the "white trash" and "racist Australia". The truth is more complex than this.

    When I was Hindu chaplain at Flinders University, I became aware that there were a number of attacks on Indian students in the northern suburbs of Adelaide. When I enquired with the police I found out that the attacks were mainly mounted by Aboriginal gangs, and Indians were targeted because they were easily identifiable and because it was believed that they were wealthy. Normally they also carried mobile phones and laptops, which were items which could easily be converted into cash. (However, these gangs were also targeting isolated rural homesteads and other individuals; it wasn't just Indians).

    With the recent round of attacks in Melbourne, the Victorian police have refused to release details of the identity of the attackers. This has made many people think that it is white supremacist groups involved. However, I have made my own enquiries, and I have found that while some of the attackers are "white", the majority are ethnic gangs, mainly of second generation immigrants.The police apparently do not wish to identify the groups (the same groups have created similar trouble in Sydney, and are just as likely to target white Australians - who they call "skips" (after the TV series, "Skippy, the Bush Kangaroo").

    Why are Indians targetted? It seems because many are believed to be rich, and many display items such as mobile phones ands laptops which can be quickly converted to cash on the open market. Moreover Indian students are hardworking and often work long hours in jobs which require them to travel late at night or work in isolated locations or high risk jobs (petrol stations, hospitals, all night supermarkets, etc)

    Moreover, many students who come to this country have no idea how violent Australian society is. I have repeatedly told new students that they must exercize care at night, especially in the more lawless suburbs - the northern suburbs of Adelaide, the western suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney. Many students imagine that because Australian is a "European" country, it is safe and that we are all law abiding. Our crime rates in some parts of Australia are a national disgrace. Most of the violent robberies and bashings in Australia (up to 80 per cent) are committed by drug addicts, and the most vulnerable and frequently assaulted targets are not ethnic Indians but elderly middle class Australians of all backgrounds. I have impressed this on all Indian students of my acquaintance - to be careful of their personal safety, especially at night.

    There is racism in Australia, as there is in every country round the world. White supremacist groups do exist, as they do in North America and in Europe, but they have little impact upon public policy, and they tend not to be openly violent. (And interestingly their leadership tends to be British or Irish immigrants) But this is a country where people of any ethnicity can make a successful career, and where Indian immigrants often occupy upper level positions in the professions and business. (A huge percentage of postgraduate students are of Asian background and our IT sector would collapse without Indians.) In Adelaide our most recent mayors have included an ethnic Chinese, an Arab, a Jew and now an Anglo-Celt. The Lieutenant Governor of this state arrived as a refugee by boat from Vietnam. My son-in-law's parents fled China during the Cultural Revolution, and all have made successful careers in Australia. To label Australia as a "Country of Racists" is not only stupid and offensive - it is plain wrong.

    Let me quote something that was stated during a recent election campaign. "I want you to go out and find places where Satan has his strongholds: mosques, Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, bottleshops, and Casinos, and destroy these places. We want a Christian Australia." Guess who said this? Pastor Danny Nelliah, a Tamil migrant from Sri Lanka, a leader of the Pentecostalist group Catch the Fire Ministry, and a Senate candidate for the Pentecostalist front Family First Party. And this is the most likely area where Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhist and Jews have to fear organized hatred. Pauline Hanson got much of her support from fundamentalist Christians, who are just as likely to be immigrants as native born Australians. (The leader of the violent National Front white supremacist group in Perth had an Indonesian mother, and many of the Family First membership are ethnic Chinese and Koreans.)

    In 1983, after I had taken my third kavadi in Malaysia, I received a letter from a Christian group in Perth.This group accused me of betraying my Christian upbringing and told me that I would go to hell. I guess, I was stupid; I responded, I was already in hell; I was working in Canberra. The letters continued, until I finally got one which was openly threatening - it stated that the writers knew where I worked, they knew were my wife worked, they knew where my children went to school, and they had friends who would deal with me. When I took this letter to the Canberra police, they police traced the letter down to an Assemblies of God church in Fremantle (Perth). The pastor of this church was from the subcontinent.

    The hysteria which has broken out in the Indian press is not helpful. Most Australians are horrified by the idea of racist attacks, (or attacks which might be interpreted as racist), and Kevin Rudd, our Prime Minister, is the first leader we have had who speaks Asian languages. Burning effigies of Rudd is just stupid. (We had the same hysterical reaction after Australia won a controversial cricket test in Sydney in January 2008; I wonder why these rent-a-crowd people are not protesting against real and systemic and often violent injustices against Indians in places such as Kenya, Fiji, Burma, etc. And Indians in Australia do not die in police custody) Of course, Australians are not immune from this hysteria. We had the same thing in this country when convicted drug pusher Schapelle Corby was jailed by a Bali court, and when drug dealers Chambers and Barlow were executed in Kuala Lumpur.

    In 2007 my wife, Wendy, was mugged by a gang just off Petaling Street in Kuala Lumpur. This was in broad daylight. Given that she had just recovered from an illness, it was a miracle she was not injured. Later a senior Malaysian policeman told us that "white" visitors were the special target of these gangs, particularly those who appeared middle aged or older. Was this racism? No: it was the fact that "white" tourists are seen as soft targets. Does this make me anti-Chinese, or will I be immature enough to go out and burn Malaysian flags or effigies of the Malaysian PM? of course not. Most Malaysians who heard of this incident were horrified, and I know most Malaysians - whether Malay, Chinese or Indian, to be kind, generous and welcoming. As are most Australians. And of course the main victims of Chinese gangs in Malaysia are...other Chinese.

    Just one final issue. Most Indians who study in Australia come with the express purpose of getting Permanent Residence. I note that all of those interviewed on TV after last weeks demonstration stated that they still intended to do so. If this country was as vicious and unpleasant and as racist as the Indian press seems to imply, one would have imagined that Indian students would leave as soon as possible. Many Indians who have come to this country have come from regimes where they have experienced real injustice and often appalling violence - countries like Sri Lanka, Fiji and apartheid era South Africa. I have worked with these people, and I am proud to call such people my friends. Racism, bigotry and intolerance must be opposed wherever they appear. These qualities appear in every country around the world - Australia is no exception. But while the attacks on Indians in Australia may contain a racist element, from the information passed to me most of them are not racist attacks. I pass this on in a hope that the hysteria which has surrounded this issue can be put to one side or at least viewed in some sort of perspective. In general Indians in Australia are as safe as any other Australian.

    Aum Shanti,

    Carl Vadivella Belle
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    I had never had such problems with racism in Singapore. In fact we have racist jokes for almost every race but we do it in a banter style that it actually bonds us rather than cause riots.

    Racism comes due to two things. Character and Improper education on understanding different individuals. Americans used to be like that and they still are abit but most of them tend to accept the difference due to their exposure to individualism and opinions and also maybe becos they are a rojak(those who understand malay should know what i mean.)

    Why shall we not propose for a one human race. Solves alot of problems and genetically we have one common ancestor. After all colour and complexion are not powerful enough to determine a race physically as environment plays a strong part in this.

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