CLASS vs MASS

[groucho070]

In Sarath's thread, HR gave an excellent argument on class and mass films and stars associated. Hubber Prabho sugggested a thread on it, since no one has started one, and since the Hub is getting so boring, I thought why not start this. I recall something similar in the past, but what the heck, let's start fresh.

His points intrigued me, being that I am a fan of both and I see qualities in both. Class can be great, but at the same time pretentious and narcissistic. Mass can be great, but at the same time poor and an insult to our intelligence (in my case, semi-literate intelligence).

George Lucas once defended box office mass entertainers saying that it is those film which allows the studios to make small vanity (read Oscar contenders) projects.

What do you think?

Here is HR's point of view (rebutting Jaiganes' view).

Idhe pol Visay kanthum arasiyalil perum vetri petru cinemavukku oru muzhukku poda vendumendrum prarthithukkolgiren.

Jaiganes.. ungalai onnu ketkuraen.. nanga ellam MASS padatha rasikkiravanga... neenga (or ungalai poanravargal) ellam CLASS / nalla yadharthamana cinemavai rasikkiravanga............

appuram yean sir ANBE SIVAM madhiriyana padangalai ellam thoalvi adaya vitteenga.. oru 100 vatti parthurukkalame....... ungalai madhiri classic rasigargal ellam DVD theya theya parthuttu review mattume ezhuthuvanga.......

adhanalathan CLASS nayagargalum MASS padathula nadikkiranga

yedhanal...

1) THIRISOOLAM seyya vendiya nirbandham Sivaji-ku yerpattadhu .. (adhu record breaking BB enru andha thread-la irundhu therinjukittaen) adhukku munala avaru pala nalla padangalla nadichu vetri adanjirunthalum

2) 16 V, aval appadithan........ ippdai nadithu kondirundha kamal yean Sakalakala vallavan panna vendiya nirbandhan yerpattadhu ... ippavum yean comedy padangalai filler's-ah use pannikittu irukkaru

(usd Sivaji & Kamal as examples because compared to their competitors, they are accepted to be class actors by people)

adhanalathan vera threadla, VRidan KANCHIVARAM theaterla partheengalanu kettaen!!!!!!!!

CLASS padathula mattume nadicha oru Hero.. field la nilachu irundhadha TFI history-la kidayadhu

aana CLASS -nu oru padathulayum nadikathavanga nilaithu irundhurukkanga eg: none other than VIJAYAKANTH

adhanala.. MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam

[Raikkonen]

adhanala.. MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam

simple yet immense point.. Honestu is my dear dhostu...

[Thalafanz]

Innaikku pozhutu pOgalayA pa???

[directhit]

HR

[groucho070]

Innaikku pozhutu pOgalayA pa???

Today is Friday, day, day, dey, dey, dey!!!

(okay, I'm kidding, no way I will call you dey)

[Nerd]

adhanala.. MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam

Objection your honor Let's make these two assumptions
- Class audience = Multiplex watchers
- Consider TN as the sample space.

Honestly, how many multiplexes are there? < 10. Even if all the class fans watch a class film, its bound to be a flop unless it pleases at least a section of the mass. So the class fans should not be blamed for a class films failure.

OTOH, for a mass film to be a success, it should be liked by all (read fans of other actors too, not just the actor who had acted in that film).

We have way too many examples for both the cases.

[MADDY]

i think times are changing - story/presentations are the real heroes now..........tell me the last blockbuster which was a bad movie but ran only bcos of mass power - 10A(pretty low by kamal standards) and sivaji ajith vijay have been slapped with flops for selecting "nonworkable/supposedly safe" scripts.......adhe samayam, good stories have a better chance of winning in present scenario........PV had a excellent run, subbipuram, anjaadhey, polladhavan, chennai-28, vennila kabaddi kuzhu(?) were the recent success stories......i think Mass is fading away - even Mass need to be presented in a "class" way to work ex:billa.....

//biggest change has to come from distributors - they should stop deciding sucess of a movie based on script........they shouldnt pressurise producers/directors/heroes on what is a workable script and what is not........they have to stick to their job of distributing films and stop contributing to story..........i'm wondering how bollywood got rid of this annoying distributor menace//

[directhit]

Nerd, I dont think we can generalize as multiplex audience = class audience. the trend atleast with respect to tamil films have been class audience = dvd audience. Mozhi/Azhagiya theeye thavira cant think of any other exception. Ch 28 class category la varumaanu therla.

its been a case of western movie watchers thrashing the so-called mass movies by 'any' actor with a perception of 'i watch this kinda movies directly implies i am not intelligent' or more a case of 'i declare i like class movies directly implies i am super intelligent' attitude. endha mass movies kkum oru suggestion oru opinion :P

[groucho070]

A point about NT.

NT started doing mass, or straight forward entertainer flicks, way before Tirusoolam. If you read Murali-sar's epic writeups, you will note that K. Balaji was the main factor behind pushing NT towards doing mass flicks.

It was also NT's own personal liking for Hollywood flicks that he did films like Tangga Churanggam (my favourite of his mass flicks) and the massive box office hit Raja.

So, nirbantham-um sollalam, athey time, producers urging, actors indulgence, fans' vendukol, ippadi parpala reasons.

Actors oru pakkam irukkattum. What about directors?

I am now thinking about Mahendran. He was making classics and they did okay, I guess (experts please help me with those films' BO). Then, he did a mass (though it had class elements) with Rajini called Kai Kodukkum Kai, which even had market place, high jumping, fight scene. Am not sure how the film did, but I read (and translated for a magazine) in an interview where Mahendran himself claiming, "athu romba moosamaana padam". Where is Mahendran now? Should he have done more mass films, and alternated with class? Sollunggapaa, sollungga!!!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

adhanalathan CLASS nayagargalum MASS padathula nadikkiranga

yedhanal...

2) 16 V, aval appadithan........ ippdai nadithu kondirundha kamal yean Sakalakala vallavan panna vendiya nirbandhan yerpattadhu ... ippavum yean comedy padangalai filler's-ah use pannikittu irukkaru

class padangal nallaave odinaalum kamal mass padathil nadithu thaan agavendum. allathu, intha murai kamal nadikkum padam entertainer aaga amainthuvittathu. thatsall. anbesivam flop aanathaan thaan avar VV dasa vil nadithara enna? athu thavaru. next anbe sivam avar virumaandi panninaar. athu class+mass padam thaan.


neeenga mass padangal mattum thaan paarpeengalaa?? appo, perarau ponra kuppayaana directors varuvatharku nengathaan karanam!!!