What will you do, if you have power?

[podalangai]

Roshan, if you don't mind, I'd like a copy of that message too. Mikka nanri

[ajithfederer]

Same here roshan ...

[a.singam]

abductions, killings, people vanish daily are few of a long list. humans are not even a number if the poverty reigns. To calm and keep people cool wars are and were fought.

If you don't mind, dear Roshan, please do me a favour and pm me too, thanks.

It is very disappointing and sad that the main issue in TN (in the run up to the elections) and for Tamil speaking majority or minority at any corner on this globe can not be discussed here

[crazy]

and for Tamil speaking majority or minority at any corner on this globe can not be discussed here

[kannannn]

Roshan, if it is not too much trouble, send me a copy as well..

[Sudhaama]

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What will you do, if you have power? India in Srilanka.?

What is the war situ ?
Is it true that the SL Army have really locked the tigers to a corner - as some news media would have us believe ?

Prabhu,

Many things are happening over here and most of it cannot be dicussed in the hub. Would pm or mail you soon.

Yes. We are getting confused.!... We are unable to know what is happening at our Neighbor's home...

But one fact is certain... whoever may be culpable...

...the bitter Consequence is... the innocent citizens of that War-torn piece of land... are the worst victims... INEXPLICABLY...

..especially the Youth and Children...

..for the past more than 30 long years... at a stretch.!...

...UNENDING Suffering of the innocent People... INHUMAN.!.. Deplorable.!

Based on the IMPARTIAL Humanetarian Global Servicemen's News-Reports...

...My answer / solution to this Thread-Question is...

...if I were given the due powers...

(1) Stop the War and attack on Civilians immediately...

...especially because they are UNARMED... and are not competent enough to confront the Military-force... well-trained and facilitated

(2) All the present Government's Military Forces have to quit from this disputed part of the Nation.

(3) One Peace-keeping Force... deputed by UNO... will take over the Policing duties.

(4) Take up the case with UNO..

(5) As an INTERIM MANAGEMENT... UNO has to depute any Retired Judge of the Nation... acceptable to the local people... as the Interim Governor...

..who will be assisted by a Committee comprising of the International Members of Global Service Societies.

(6) All the Refugees have to be rehabilitated,.. and their Livelihood must be developed.

(7) War-damages must be duly compensated recouped and rebuilt.

(8) With the Strength and Name as Majority...

... Others should not decide on the FUTURE OF MINORITY Ethnic People.

But let the local Ethnic People of the Tamil-Eezham regions.. decide on their Future.. and express their discretion through Plebiscite...

..in which the newly domiciled Sinhalees... domiciled after the commencement of this Revolution... i.e. during the past 30 years will not be eligible to vote.

But the Refugees and Evacuated aboriginals... shifted from Srilanka, their Motherland...

... and domiciled to several Kind-herarted Nations all over the World... out of force of circumstances... during this period of Struggle..

..must be given the freedom to vote... voicing their discretion on the fate of their land as well as themselves in the long run.

Adequate care must be taken... ensuring the Plebiscite is radically free from machinations of any external forces or nefarious power-mongers...

Let the plebiscite decide... whether Federal union...

...or Independant nation like Bangladesh.. separated from Pakistan

(9) But as far as possible.. it should be endeavured for..

...better MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING... coupled with hearty spirits of Brother-hood and PATRIOTISM...

...culmiating in One Composite Nation of FEDERAL UNION.!!!

That will be the BEST SOLUTION... for the Long run

Ensuring the LEAST PROBLEMS towards the United Advancement of one and all...

...under the present World Situation...

...especially because of GLOBALISATION.!
.

[Raghu]

What is the war situ ?
Is it true that the SL Army have really locked the tigers to a corner - as some news media would have us believe ?

மீண்டும் வான்புலிகளின் விமானம்: படையினர் மத்தியில் அவசர தகவல் பரிமாற்றம்
[ வியாழக்கிழமை, 06 நவம்பர் 2008, 02:30.35 AM GMT +05:30 ]
வவுனியாவின் ராடார் கருவிகளில் நேற்று காலை தமிழீழ விடுதலைப் புலிகளின் விமானப்பறப்பு ஒன்று தென்பட்டதை அடுத்து படைத்தரப்பு தமது எதிர்ப்பு நடவடிக்கைக்கான ஆயத்தங்களில் ஈடுபட்டதாகத் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.
நேற்று அதிகாலை 3.30 அளவில் இந்த சம்பவம் இடம்பெற்றுள்ளது.

இதனையடுத்து உடனடியாக தகவல்கள், அநுராதபுரம்,மன்னார் மற்றும் மணலாறு ஆகிய இடங்களில் உள்ள இராணுவ நிலைகளுக்கு அனுப்பப்பட்டன.

எனினும் பின்னர் எவ்விதமான விமானப்பறப்புகளையும் ராடார் காட்டவில்லை.


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SLAF were day dreaming


யுத்தம் தொடங்கிய பின்னர் இதுவரை 25,000 க்கும் மேற்பட்ட படையினர் தப்பியோட்டம்
[ வியாழக்கிழமை, 06 நவம்பர் 2008, 06:06.49 AM GMT +05:30 ]
இராணுவத்திலிருந்து பெருமளவானோர் தப்பியோடுவதனால் படையினர் பெரும் நெருக்கடிகளைச் சந்தித்து வருவதாகத் தெரிவிக்கப்படுகின்றது.
இதுதொடர்பாக "ராவய' பத்திரிகையில் வெளியான முக்கிய பகுதிகள் வருமாறு;

2006 ஆம் ஆண்டு வரை இராணுவத்திலிருந்து 9,500 பேர் தப்பியோடியுள்ளனர். ஆனால், ஆய்வு செய்யப்பட்ட அறிக்கைகளின்படி போர் தொடங்கியதிலிருந்து 25,000 படையினர் தப்பியோடியுள்ளனர். அவர்கள் பின்னர் அதிகாரபூர்வமாக விலக அனுமதிக்கப்பட்டிருந்தனர். ஆனால், தற்போது இராணுவத்திலிருந்து தப்பியோடுவோர் அண்மையில் படைகளில் இணைந்தவர்களாவார்.

2008 ஆம் ஆண்டு ஜனவரி மாதம் வரை 15,000 பேர் தப்பியோடியுள்ளனர். இது கணிசமான தொகையாகும். இராணுவத்திலிருந்து அதிகளவானோர் தப்பியோடி வருவதனால் முன்னரங்குகளில் பணியாற்றும் படையினர் அதிகாரிகளால் உன்னிப்பாக அவதானிக்கப்படுகின்றனர்.

படையினரின் பகுதிகளிலிருந்து செல்லும் பஸ்களும் கடுமையான சோதனைகளுக்குள்ளாக்கப்பட்டு வருகின்றன. படைத்தரப்பைச் சேர்ந்தவர்களின் தோற்றத்துடன் காணப்படுவோர் தனியாக அழைத்து விசாரணை செய்யப்பட்டு வருகின்றனர்.

கடந்த ஆகஸ்ட் மற்றும் செப்டெம்பர் மாதங்களில் வன்னிக் களமுனைகளிலிருந்து 700 க்கும் அதிகமான இராணுவத்தினர் தப்பியோடியுள்ளனர் என்று அதில் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.

இதேநேரம், இராணுவத்திலிருந்து தப்பியோடியோர் சரணடைவதற்காக எதிர்வரும் 15 ஆம் திகதி வரை பொது மன்னிப்புக் காலம் வழங்கப்பட்டுள்ளதும் தெரிந்ததே.

---- COWARDS

[Raghu]

வன்னியில் 20 ஆயிரம் குடும்பங்களுக்கு தற்காலிக தங்குமிடங்கள் உடனடியாக தேவை - ஐ.நா. தெரிவிப்பு
[ புதன்கிழமை, 05 நவம்பர் 2008, 04:28.02 PM GMT +05:30 ]
வன்னியில் இடம்பெயர்ந்துள்ள ஆயிரக்கணக்கான மக்கள் தொடர்ந்தும் ஒழுங்கான தங்குமிடங்கள் இன்றிய நிலையில் உள்ளனர். அங்குள்ள 20 ஆயிரம் இடம்பெயர்ந்த குடும்பங்களுக்கு தற்காலிக தங்குமிடங்கள் உடனடியாகத் தேவைப்படுவதாக ஐ.நா. முகவர் நிறுவனங்களின் நிலையியற் குழு தெரிவித்துள்ளது.
கிளிநொச்சி நகரப் பகுதியில் விமானத் தாக்குதல் களும், கடும் ஷெல் தாக்குதல்களும் இடம்பெறுவதாகவும் ஐ.நா.மேலும் தெரிவித்துள்ளது. வன்னி நிலைவரம் தொடர்பாக ஐ.நா. முகவர் நிறுவனங்களின் நிலையியற் குழு மேலும் தெரிவித்துள்ளதாவது: கிளிநொச்சி நகரப் பகுதி மீது விமானத் தாக்குதல்களும் கடும் ஷெல் வீச்சுக்களும் இடம்பெறுகின்றன. நகரப்பகுதிக்கு அண்மையில் இருதரப்புக்கும் இடையில் மோதல்கள் இடம்பெறுகின்றன.

இடம் பெயர்ந்துள்ள பெருமளவிலான மக்கள் ஒழுங்கான தங்குமிடங்கள் இன்றிய நிலையிலுள்ளனர். தற்போது ஆயிரக்கணக்கானோர் தற்காலிக கூடாரச் சீலைகளை(ரறப்புலின்) தொண்டு நிறுவனங்களிடம் பெற்று வருகின்றனர். இடம்பெயர்ந்துள்ள 20 ஆயிரம் குடும்பங்களுக்கு உடனடியாக தற்காலிக தங்குமிடங்கள் தேவையாக உள்ளன. ஆண்டின் மூன்றாம் காலாண்டுக்கான மருந்துப் பொருட்கள் கிளிநொச்சி வைத்தியசாலையை வந்தடைந்துள்ள போதும் முல்லைத்தீவு மாவட்டத்துக்கான மருந்துப் பொருட்கள் இதுவரை கிடைக்கவில்லை.

கிளிநொச்சி மாவட்ட சுகாதாரப் பணிப்பாளரால் தர்மபுரத்தில் ஆரம்பிக்கப்பட்டுள்ள சுகõதார நிலையத்தின் வெளிநோயாளர் பிரிவில் நாளாந்தம் 900 நோயாளர்கள் சிகிச்சை பெறுகின்றனர். தற்போது 300 நோயாளிகள் விடுதிகளில் தங்கியிருந்து சிகிச்சை பெற்று வருகின்றனர்.

ஐ.நா. உலக உணவுத் திட்டத்தின் இரண்டாவது உணவு வாகனத் தொடரணி மூலம் கிளிநொச்சியை அடைந்த உணவுப் பொருட்கள் பலநோக்கு கூட்டுறவுச் சங்கங்கள் ஊடாக 38 ஆயிரத்து 763 குடும்பங்களுக்கு பகிர்ந்தளிக்கப்படுவதாக மாவட்ட செயலக தகவல்கள் தெரிவிக்கின்றன.

அண்மையில் இடம்பெயர்ந்த மக்களுக்கு சர்வதேச செஞ்சிலுவைச் சங்கம் (ஐ..சி.ஆர்.சி.)7ஆயிரம் தற்காலிக கூடாரச் சீலைகளை வழங்கியுள்ளது. அத்தோடு 2 ஆயிரம் சுகாதார பொது வசதிகளையும் ஐ.சி.ஆர்.சி. வழங்கியுள்ளது.

[Raghu]

Thelegitimacy of the armed struggle of the Tamil people


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Democracy may mean acceding to the rule of the majority, but democracy alsomeans governments by discussion and persuasion. It is the belief that theminority of today may become the majority of tomorrow that ensures thestability of a functioning democracy. The practice of democracy in Sri Lankawithin the confines of a unitary state served to perpetuate the oppressive ruleof a permanent Sinhala majority.
It was a permanent Sinhala majority, which through a series of legislative andadministrative acts, ranging from disenfranchisement, and standardisation ofUniversity admissions, to discriminatory language and employment policies, andstate sponsored colonisation of the homelands of the Tamil people, sough toestablish its hegemony over people of Tamil Eelam.

These legislative and administrative acts were reinforced from time to timewith physical attacks on the Tamil people with intent to terrorise andintimidate them into submission. It was a course of conduct which ledeventually to rise of Tamil militancy in the mid 1970s with, initially,sporadic acts of violence. The militancy was met with wide ranging retaliatoryattacks on increasingly large sections of the Tamil people with intent, onceagain to subjugate them. In the late 1970s large numbers of Tamil youths weredetained without trial and tortured under emergency regulations and later underthe Prevention of Terrorism Act which has been described by the InternationalCommission of Jurists as a 'blot on the statute book of any civilised country'.In 1980s and thereafter, there were random killings of Tamils by the statesecurity forces and Tamil hostages were taken by the state when 'suspects' werenot found.

The preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads:

"Whereas itis essential if man is not compelled as a last resort to rebellion againsttyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule oflaw."
The rise of the armed struggle of the Tamil people constituted the Tamilrebellion against a continuing Sinhala oppression over a period of severaldecades. The gross consistent and continuing violations of the human rights ofthe Tamil people have been well documented by innumerable reports of humanrights organisations as well as of independent observers of the Sri Lankanscene.

Walter Schwarz commented in the Minority Rights Group Report on Tamils of SriLanka, 1983


"...The makings of an embattled freedom movement now seem assembled: martyrs,prisoners and a pitiful mass of refugees. Talk of 'Biafra' which had soundedmisplaced in 1975, seemed less unreal a few years later... As this report goesto press in September 1983, the general outlook for human rights in Sri Lankais not promising. The present conflict has transcended the specialconsideration of minority rights and has reached the point where the basichuman rights of the Tamil community - the rights to life and property, freedomof speech and self expression and freedom from arbitrary arrest have in factand in law been subject to gross and continued violations. The two communitiesare mow polarised and continued repression coupled with economic stagnation canonly produce stronger demands from the embattled minority, which unless thereis a change in direction by the central government, will result in a strongerSinhalese backlash and the possibility of outright civil war".
David Selbourne remarked in July 1984:

"The crimes committed by the Sri Lankanstate against the Tamil minority - against its physical security, citizenshiprights, and political representation -are of growing gravity.. Report afterreport by impartial bodies - By Amnesty International, By the InternationalCommission of jurists, By parliamentary delegates from the West by journalistsand scholars - have set out clearly the scale of growing degeneration of thepolitical and physical well being of the Tamil minority in Sri Lanka... Theircause represents the very essence of the cause of human rights and justice; andto deny it, debases and reduces us all".
A Working Group chaired by Goran Backstrand, of the Swedish Red Cross at theSecond Consultation on Ethnic Violence, Development and Human Rights,Netherlands, in February 1985 concluded:


"There was a general consensus that within Sri Lanka today, the Tamils do nothave the protection of the rule of law, that the Sri Lankan government presentsitself as a democracy in crisis, and that neither the government, nor itsfriends abroad, appreciate the serious inroads on democracy which have beenmade by the legislative, administrative, and military measures which are beingtaken. The extreme measures which are currently being adopted by the governmentinevitably provoke extreme reactions from the other side... The normal life ofthe (Tamil) population of the North has been seriously affected. People eitherhave great difficulty or find it completely impossible to continue with theiremployment and there is a severe shortage of food and basic necessities ManyTamils are daily fleeing across the Palk Straits to Southern India. Thecontinuing colonisation of Tamil areas with Sinhalese settlers is exacerbatingthe situation... and the country is on the brink of civil war."
Senator A.L.Missen, Chairman, Australian Parliamentary Group of AmnestyInternational, expressed his growing concern in March 1986:


"Some 6000 Tamils have been killed altogether in the last few years... Theseevents are not accidental. It can be seen that they are the result of adeliberate policy on the part of the Sri Lankan government... Democracy in SriLanka does not exist in any real sense. The democracy of Sri Lanka has beendescribed in the following terms, terms which are a fair and accuratedescription: 'The reluctance to hold general elections, the muzzling of theopposition press, the continued reliance on extraordinary powers unknown to afree democracy, arbitrary detention without access to lawyers or relations,torture of detainees on a systematic basis , the intimidation of the judiciaryby the executive, the disenfranchisement of the opposition, an executivePresident who holds undated letters of resignation from members of thelegislature, an elected President who publicly declares his lack of care forthe lives or opinion of a section of his electorate, and the continuedsubjugation of the Tamil people by a permanent Sinhala majority, within theconfines of an unitary constitutional frame, constitute the reality of'democracy', Sri Lankan style."
The reports speak for themselves and that which emerges is a chilling patternof a forty year genocide attack on the Tamil people intended to subjugate themwithin an unitary Sinhala Buddhist state.

Karen Parker of the Non Governmental Human Rights Organisation, InternationalEducational Development put it succinctly at the 42nd Sessions of UN SubCommission on the Protection of Minorities.


"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that all persons, includingmembers of minority groups, have the right to the full realisation of theirhuman rights and to an international order in which their rights can berealised.
The Sri Lanka situation has shown that for the past forty years, the Sinhalacontrolled government has been unwilling and unable to promote and protect thehuman rights of the Tamil population, and the Tamil population has accordinglylost all confidence in any present or future willingness or ability of theSinhala majority to do so. Are people in this situation required to settle forless than their full rights. Can the international community impose on apeople a forced marriage they no longer want and in which they can clearlydemonstrate they have been Abused?... We consider that in the case of SriLanka, 40 years is clearly enough for any group to wait for their humanrights."

The inhabitants of the Northeast of the island of Sri Lanka constitute a'people' and are thereby entitled to the right of self determination. Since ithas been recognised that the exercise of this right is not designed to dominateothers but rather to escape domination by others, the international community,through the General Assembly Resolutions on Friendly Relations Among States(Resolution 2625) and on Definition of Aggression (act 7) and 1977 AdditionalProtocol I to the Geneva convention of 1949 (Act 1 C4), declared that as a lastresort armed struggle can be used as a method of exercising the right of selfdetermination. The Sri Lankan governments use of force in denying the Tamil'sright to self determination is in violation of Articles 1 (2), 1 (3), 2 (4) and56 of the United Nations Charter.

The Tamil people have been subjected to brutal and crude personal psychologicaland institutional violence by the Sri Lanka government and its agencies. TheSri Lanka Government has built up a massive 70,000 member armed forceconstituted exclusively of Sinhalese and allocated immense funds for itssupport. The Tamils have resorted to arms to defend themselves and the warbeing waged by the Liberation Tigers is a defensive war. Unlike the measuresadopted by the Sri Lankan government, this struggle is not aimed at domination;instead it serves to protect the sovereign identity of the Tamil people.

The armed struggle of the Tamil people is both just and lawful because therule of law for the Tamil people had ceased to exist; because the Government ofSri Lanka had become a racist government; and because the oppressed people ofthat racist government were compelled to resort to arms to defend themselvesagainst that oppression.

Based on reason and international law and coupled with the absence of anyinternal or external machinery to realise the Tamil right to selfdetermination, the Tamils resistance evolved from peaceful agitation to armedstruggle. As Professor Reisman of the Yale Law School states, "insistence onnon violence and deference to all established in a ... system with manyinjustices can be tantamount to confirmation and reinforcement of theseinjustices. In some circumstances violence may be the last appeal.. of agroup.. for some measure of human dignity.

The international community's recognition of a "People's" right to defendthemselves and to use force to secure their legitimate political objectives isreinforced by the contemporary political discourse. The formation of armedforces by the Ukraine, Moldavia; Georgia and Armenia and the EuropeanCommunity's Peace plan for Yugoslavia's current crisis are all proof of theabove mentioned proposition.

The legitimacy of the armed conflict of the people of Tamil Eelam was affordedopen international recognition when the combatants in the armed conflict,participated in talks with a specially appointed Minister of the government ofSri Lanka at meetings convened by the Indian Government at Thimphu in 1985. Itwas a legitimacy which was reinforced in February 1987, by the United NationsCommission on Human Right when it adopted a resolution on Sri Lanka in whichthe armed conflict was discussed in terms of humanitarian law. Again, it was alegitimacy which the Indo Sri Lankan Agreement signed by the Prime Minister ofIndia and the President of Sri Lanka in July 1987, recognised when it describedthe Tamil militant movement as 'combatants' in an armed conflict. Finally, in1989/90, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam engaged in direct talks with thegovernment of Sri Lanka and were accorded recognition as combatants.

The statement made on behalf of the joint Front of Tamil LiberationOrganisations at the Thimphu Talks in 1985 serves to underline the just andlawful nature of the struggle of the Tamil people:


"We are a liberation movement which was compelled to resort to the force ofarms because all force of reason had failed to convince the successive SriLankan government in the past. Further under conditions of national oppressionand the intensification of state terrorism and genocide against our people, thedemand for a separate state become the only logical expression of the oppressedTamil people. Our armed struggle is the manifestation of that logicalexpression."
The future of that lawful armed struggle clearly falls to be determined in thecontext of the security of the Tamil people and their right to selfdetermination and these are matters for resolution across a negotiating table,not in vacuum.

[Punnaimaran]

Today I happened to see a video of the situation in Vanni allegedly taken by SLA soldier. I could not imagine that men can be so barbaric.

I feel ashamed to even describe these scenes:

1. A 15 year old girl being stripped and raped while 3 others cheer him.

2. Children being mutilated and then beheaded.

3. A mother ....Sorry couldn't describe it anymore. Stopped the video and erased it.

After watching the video, I have lost all hope for a peaceful settlement of the issue.