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but, Pattikaattu Raja is Rajni film , is not it?

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The very fact that SG are known for so many songs against the all pervasive IR shows that they were indeed a force to reckon with, though they probably started out much before IR and were extablished b4 IR came in full force.

And the fact that they composed for an MGR movie is another important point. When Chandrabose did Manithan and Raja chinna Roja, he did get into an higher plane due to the association with RK.

Are there any regulars with SG...I mean directors who used SG regularly. K Rajeshwar did to good effect with two movies I think but he switched to others like IR and Adityan.

To a large extent association with a saleable director plays a major role in any composer's career. ARR-Mani, ARR-Shankar, Rajiv Rai-Viju Shah, KB-Maragathamani (partly!), KB-MSV (earlier), KB-IR, BR-IR, Mani-IR (earlier) and so on.

If they didnt have a steady association, that might be one of the key reasons for them not hitting the right notes and not making it big despite talent et all.

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There was this song " en kanmanni yaar sollava nadamaadum isai allava" SPB-KJY duet of some SIvakumar kamal movie ( B & W) that was agood no from SG.
Naan yen piranden was also another movie scored by SG , if my memory is correct. It had Chittira cholaigale a good number. Ithaya veenai " Ponnandi maalai pozhudhu was good but I have a lurking suspicion that the tune was lifted & altered.
" Seppu kuddam thooki pore sellamma" KJJ _ VR was also a good duet ( Otthaiyadi Paadai)
"Rendu kannam sandhana kinnam thottukola (Sigappu malli ) is also good
Now i got it the first mentioned song was from Thangathil Vairam

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Vengayam, the song u were referring 2 is "En kadhali yaar sollava nadamaadum isai allav", nice song by SPB+KJY.

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Durai kept SG for most of his movies.But the problem was Dorai himself remained in the II line with KB,Sridhar,P Madhavan,K Shankar, or Devaraj-Mohan in First line during SG 's prime.

But SG did have Devar's patronage.With Devar's death his company moved to Ilayaraja for Annai Or Aalayam.

Slowly SG were made to fight with the likes of Gangai Amaran,Chandra bose for the never-existed No.2 position.

One of SG was GN Velumani's son-in-law(who produced Kudiyirutha Koil MGR )MGR milked the best tunes of the duo and promptly reverted to MSV.

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I forgot Kaneer Mannan - KS Gopalakrishnan who used SG for Magarantham,Adukku malli etc.but both the parties sunk further with those movies.

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BTW
S Karthik -Viju Shah must be one of your favourites with Oye OYE and Tu legaye Mere Nndiya from African sources.

That guy is a disgrace to KA.

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My favourite songs of SG's are
1. Pattu Vanna Rosavaam - Bhagyaraj/S A Rajkannu movie
2. Unnai Naan Paarthathu - Pattikkattu Raja/Kamal
3. Oh Nenjae neethan paadum geethangal - Bhagyaraj Movie

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Vivekananda Films usually had music by S-G (Vandichchakaram, Aaniver) but they switched to IR for Rosapoo Ravikaikari and then ARR for Vandichcholai Cinnarasu. Durai was the only consistent - with Pasi, Thani Maram, Padhai Marinal, etc.
Vijay - Padhai Marinal was way ahead of Ashiqui. However, Nadeem-Shravan claimed that they had the tunes (which the used in the film) nearly a decade before the film was made. Did the meet S-G for coffee during that period....maybe. )

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SG had some peepy numbers in Ilam jodigal.
Thogai Pullanguzhal Degam Roja idhaz
Mami sivagami -(rehash of vaa machan vaa ,Konjam odhungu naan thaniya (Vasantha Kalam))

I think "Ayiram thamari mottukale" inspired " Thannikul nikkuthu Dhavani Thamarai" by SG was good.But original .. hmm..