thiruvasakam in symphony

**vijayr** · 2nd August 2005, 03:33 AM

MSK, if you scroll down to Hymn 10 in this page, look out for verses 1,2,3,4,6,12,15 and 16 which have been used in this song

http://siddhanta.shaivam.org/thivapop.htm

From the translation Kunippudayaan apparently means the "mystic dancer"

Honey from any flower sip not, though small
as tiniest grain of millest seed !

Whene'ver we think of Him, whene'er we see,
whene'er of Him our lips converse,

Then sweetest rapture's honey ever flows,
till all our frame in bliss dissolves !

To Him alone, the mystic Dancer, go;
AND BREATHE HIS PRAISE, THOU HUMMING-BEE !

you can DL entire Thiruvasagam in Tamil in PDF format from the links here
http://siddhanta.shaivam.org/thivacha.html

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**Arjuna** · 2nd August 2005, 03:38 AM

I have also written the translation of the Kothumbi song from the Pope's translation

Check this link
http://naan-yaar.blogspot.com/

**Arjuna** · 2nd August 2005, 03:40 AM

TISK - I shall put your link in my blog too

**Arjuna** · 2nd August 2005, 03:42 AM

TISK - I have put a link from my blog - Check it out :

http://naan-yaar.blogspot.com - do u want me to put a side banner too? let me know - just leave a comment in my blog incase I dont check tfmpage..

**vijayr** · 2nd August 2005, 03:43 AM

It starts of in Sudhdhadhanyaasi and changes to Sumanesaranjani(if I am right) from verse 4 onwards(use the song "yedho ninaivugaL" from agal ViLakku as reference for this scale or the abheri/Sumanesaranjani transition attempted similiarly earlier in "sangath thamizh kaviye" song, the last charanam of this song is in Sumanesaranjani) and then returns back to SD towards the end of the song.

**vijayr** · 2nd August 2005, 03:46 AM

I was stuck with this song for quite some time too before I moved on to other pieces. The reason being, with minimal scale changes the song is "light" like some of his TFM tunes, easy to follow and the backing harmony in some places is terrific.

**slperson1** · 2nd August 2005, 05:34 AM

I was expecting much much more from this album.
But was highly highly disappointed.
I was at the American release and the way the guy talked it up he said that it was the first of its kind mix of western and eastern music...but the only thing eastern in this album is the singers.
there arent any indian instruments in this whole album that i heard.

THe work rahman did with vanessa mae i think is a better piece to bridge the gap between western and eastern music when compared to thiruvasagam.

i know all the IR fans are gonan come in a sworm to bash me but this is my honest opinion.Ive heard better mixes of the two kinds of music by many other musicians. the way this was talked up doesnt have n e thing "special" about it.yes the music is good but it isnt special.

**ananth222** · 2nd August 2005, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by slperson1

I was at the American release and the way the guy talked it up he said that it was the first of its kind mix of western and eastern music...but the only thing eastern in this album is the singers.
there arent any indian instruments in this whole album that i heard.

A lot of people think that 'fusion" means u have a sitar playing some indian tune and some drums are keyboard playing some western tune (or even worse, a dull repetetive "groove'). This is like mixing coffe grounds in milk and calling it coffee - it just sucks! real fusion is when you mix the coffee dicauction in milk - you can't seperate the milk and coffee but its one tasty drink.
Ilaiyraaja's fusion is great just for that reason - you cannot easily seperate 'western' or 'eastern' parts in his music - they form a uniform blend.

Unfortunately a lot of bad music passes for "fusion" and real fusion as it should be is not appreciated.

**slperson1** · 2nd August 2005, 08:15 AM

Correct you cannot separate it into parts in thiruvasagam becuz it is purely western instruments playing his tune.there truly isnt anything unique about this album.there isnt anything too "blend" as u say.he didnt try anything very "difficult" from my stand point.all he did was get this symphony to play western music which they are accustomed too.the only feat was that he an indian music director is the one who gave the notes to the people.

**app_engine** · 2nd August 2005, 08:40 AM

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewlite.php?t=4174

slperson1, your personal opinion / observations are valuable...however, a humble request...the thread above is more appropriate for them...(exclusively for personal vendetta against IR

Let people discuss finer aspects of TbI here...