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    Old Hindi Film Music

    Topic suggested by SR Kaushik on Mon Feb 1 14:34:08 .


    First of all, an apology. This section is on films but I am taking the liberty of inserting this topic because
    1. There is a thread on Malayalam Film Music right here.

    2. I think this topic deserves a separate thread and I found no better place to put it.

    Getting to the topic itself: I think old HFM MDs were a highly capable lot. No, I'm not referring to just tunes. The orchestral colorations, although not (IMO) up to the standard of IR, were pretty good.

    I'd like to discuss some of their achievements.




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    RR (@ pb.c*) on: Mon Feb 1 20:43:34




    Kausik,
    No need to apologise. Any aspect of indian films is welcome here (except of course Tamil Film Music for which we have a better place.)

    I'll post on this topic later.





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    RS (@ sung*) on: Tue Feb 2 08:08:31




    Kaushik: Is it only about the music or can we talk about the lyrics of the old songs too.





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    nalini (@ ) on: Tue Feb 2 11:18:12




    Ah! One of my favourite topics - old Hindi Film music. Thrilled to see this thread. (And I don't see why we can't discuss lyrics also).

    Will be back later with some of my favourites.





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    cram (@ 206.*) on: Wed Feb 3 11:10:35




    i can't possibly list my favs because there are just too many of them, but what the hell, let's begin.

    kabhi kabhi mere dil mein - Mukesh
    o manjhi re - Kishore
    zindagi bhar nahin bhoolegi - Rafi
    mere mehboob tujhe - Rafi
    o sajna barkha bahaar aayee - Lata
    aaja ree main to kab se khadi - Lata
    chalo ek baar phir se - Mahendra Kapoor
    tum pukar lo - Hemant Kumar
    yeh raat yeh chandni - Hemant Kumar
    and every song that talat mehmood sang.
    where's everybody, i am dying to get started.





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    SR Kaushik (@ elro*) on: Wed Feb 3 14:29:56




    All of you are welcome to discuss lyrics too.

    My favorite composers is SDB. Mind you, all his contemporaries were great too but IMO he was, let us say, the first among near-equals.

    Even Shankar Jaikishan were a great duo. I think they were the MDs most well versed in WCM. It showed in their use of violins and their chord progressions.

    Let me begin with a few songs that I think were good not only tune-wise but also in other technical aspects:
    1. Ae dil mujhe bata de (very old song, I don't know which film; MD- Madanmohan) - an excellent WC piece repeated in both interludes.

    2. Waqt ne diya - MD:SDB, sung by Geeta Dutt (was the film Pyaasa?). It had those typical olden day piano beats and a great bassy violin interlude.

    3. Tum pukar lo - MD & singer- Hemant Kumar; I like it mainly for the lazy and romantic touch which Hemantda has given to this song while singing it. It includes a very good violin piece too. I also liked the chord progression for the pallavi.

    4. Nakhrewali - (MD: SJ; singer-Kishore Kumar) amazing tune very well colored.

    Of course what I have mentioned is merely infinitesimal. There's lots of further ground to cover.





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    cram (@ 206.*) on: Thu Feb 4 04:38:20




    srk, its waqt ne kiya, not diya, and is
    not in Pyaasa but Kaagaz ke flowers (hindi-yil ezhuthina frobidden (?) word-nnu varudhu ).
    Absolutely brilliant song, with some great lyrics by Kaifisaab.

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    nalini (@ 169.*) on: Thu Feb 4 10:44:13




    Yes - if I too were to list all my favourites here, we might run out of the quota allocated for this site! To make it easier on myself, I'll start with categorizing them by MD's. Of course, S.D Burman happens to be one of my favourites too!

    Jayen to Jayen Kahan (Talat - Taxi Driver)
    Tere Mere Sapne (Rafi - Guide)
    Piya Those (Lata - Guide)
    Jalte Hain Jiske Liye (Talat - Sujatha)
    Kali Ghata Chaye Mora Jiya Ghabraye (Asha - Sujatha)
    Soch ke ye gagan jhoome (Lata and Manna Dey - Jyoti) - in my opinion, this is one of Burman's masterpieces - but not as well known as some of his other compositions.
    Poocho na kaise (Manna Dey - Meri Soorat Teri Aankhen)
    Mora Gora Ang Laile (Lata - Bandini)
    Jane Kya Tune Kahee (Geeta Dutt - Pyasa)
    Kayee Khwaab (Rafi - Teen Deviyan)
    Aise to na Dekho (Rafi - Teen Deviyan)
    Megha Chaaye Aadhi Raat (Lata - Sharmilee) - semi-classical song blended with western interludes
    Kaise kahen Hum (Rafi - Sharmilee) (one of the most subtle renditions of Tilang)
    Jeevan ki Bagiya (Lata and Kishore - Tere Mere Sapne)
    Tere Mere Milan (Lata and Kishore - Abhimaan)
    Nadiya Kinare (Lata - Abhimaan)
    Lena Hoga janam hame kayi kayi baar (Kishore - Prem Pujari)

    Love his singing too:

    Sun More Bandhu Re (Sujatha)
    More Sajan Hai Us par (Bandini)
    Dheere se aana Bagiyan mein (non-filmy - later sung by Kishore in Prem Pujari?)

    I'm sure I'm missing a few of his other gems. Does anyone remember a dance scene in Guide, set in a village - where Waheeda does a snake dance with another woman - the music (especially the drums) is awesome.

    S.R Kaushik, I believe "Ae dil mujhe bata de" is from Bhai Bhai.

    Later, with more of my favourites






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    cram (@ 206.*) on: Thu Feb 4 11:16:21




    yeah nalini,
    that piece from guide was awesome. but then, everything about the film was. say what, why don't we start discussing the music of Guide? its a great album, probably the best representative of SDB.





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    SR Kaushik (@ ntws*) on: Thu Feb 4 13:49:11




    A request: I think it would be better if we discussed some particular song(s) (like cram suggested: Guide's songs) as in the "Songs discussion" thread including its tune, orchestration, etc.





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