TAMIL is much ELDER to SANSKRIT !

[Idiappam]

Solomon fradulently edited and deliberately misinterpretated the words of Pavanar to suit his anti-Tamil propaganda: - He posted:

I give quotes from Devaneyar- called Pavanar:
"The best of SANSKRIT Grammer book, in Panini of 4th Cen BCE, In Sanskrit grammer books are called Vyakarnam and claims even before Panini there were grammer for Numerals etc., and the oldest was IYenthiram of Vedic Period - Page 56-57, Tamilar Varalaru.

I give below the whole text of Devaneya Pavanars passage that he 'quoted above'. Readers can now understand what this menace Solomon is upto.

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- DevaneyaPavanar - Tamilar varalaaru Book 2 page 56-57 - on Paniniiyam.

Solomon has also posted the other 'quotes' from Pavanar that he corruputedly twisted to suit himself. Don't believe him.

[Idiappam]

Solomon ranted:

"Iyenthiram Niranthe Tholkappiyar " says Panamparanar;
Thol- 880, Thol1570, Kappiyar refers Ariyam, hence we can conclude that Sanskrit has established considerably in Tholkappiyar' period. Page 40 same book.

What made you think that 'Ariyam' of Tholkappiyar means 'Sanskrit'?? You are desperately wrong there!

Four Vedas or Nanmarai, arangam, agamametc., means Sanskrit works and the word Anthanar in Tholkappiyam and all Tamil Sagnam and later books except refers to Aryan Brahmins only- Page 101, Tamilar Matham.

Devaneyan further in his book Oppiyan Mozhinool says- "s Panamparanar refers him knowing FourVedas, Iyenthiram and Kappiyar differenciates Vadasol Grammer with Tamil and that TholKappiyar made Arangetram before AthangottuAsan, all confirm that Tholkappiyar is A Brahmin."

That is another of your fraudulent twist of Pavanars words. Post the original words of Pavanar in Tamil - for hubbers to see! YOu won't dare, would you, Solomon.

Tholkappiyar is dubiously dated to 700BCE by Devaneyan, with no reason given, but objective scholoars who look at Tholkappiyar- giving Grammer for Wrting, means advanced stage of North Indian brought Brammi letters i.e., 200-150B.C.E.

Who are the 'objective scholoars' you talking about? And why does it make you so happy to date Tholkappiam after Panini?? YOur anti-Tamil sentiments? Take care, my dear Solomon!

I request all to maintain dignity on commenting on Scholars, One is talking so uglyly of UU.VE.SA and other on Iravatham Mahadevan.
The pains taken by Uvesa got us Tholkappiyam and Sangam Literature, which otherwise could have lost, and his honest serch of Originals are fully appreciated. Iravatham Mahadevan was the first to decipher Tamil from BArahmi scripts and has also deciphered Indus-Saraswathi scripts.

Lets leave Mahadevan aside now, afterall his mentor was Pavanar - who taught him etymology of Tamil words. etc. But U.V.SA Iyer????????

UVSa did take some pains at the same time, as all brahmins do, did some intentional corruption to the Sangam works and Tholkappiam to give Sanskrit and Brahmins a bit of 'glory' down there. This was pointed out by Dr. Veeramani (Dravida Kazaga Chief) in his book 'veRukkathakkathE bramanIyam'.

Tamil is such a wonderful Language, whose highllights can be said for pages and nobody needs to FaLsely belittle other Indian language and India' equal pride Sanskrit.

YOu just leave Tamils alone! They are happy with their language and heritage - even it was borne as late as last night. Just don't come around singing the 'greatness' of Sanskrit to us! We can't bear the stench! We know too much of your Sanskritic lies too!

Most of the European Universities have intited Closing Tamil Departments and these myths of splitting words only Paint that we are Frauds.

Which are the 'most of the Eurupean UNiversities'?? And what is the read reason. There are dating frauds in Sanskritic History more than any history. eg, the Vedas are 8000 years old. Ramayana being 1.75 million years old. (The dinosaurs did not even know that)

Any Literature dating can be referred from www.wikhipedia.com and that is the opinion of All MAjor Universities of the World, any falsehood spread by few are spreading Hatered meaninglessly.
We do not have a single Tamil Literature before Sanskrit has taken route as I showed.

Major Universities, wow! So we don't have Tamil LIterature before Sanskrit. So what is the big deal.

Tamils have Thirukkural - they love it - the world best book on Humanism

Sanskrit have ManuSmriti - the worlds greatest book on racisim and castism.

Tamils have 'Anbe Sivam' - Thirumanthiram
Sanskrits have - The vedas - books on robbery, treachery and plunder on the natives.

I can go on, Solomon! yes on and on and on!

[solomon]

Bible Old Testament has Three names for God among others and they are
1. EL
2.EL SHADDAI
3. ELOHIM
As per Bible Lexicons first two are not of Semitic origin, and are proper nouns and meanings are assumed as for 1.Power 2. God Almighty 3. God, And this is how the Translations come, and in Tamil as 1. THEVAN 2. SARVAVALLAMAI MIKKA THEVAN and 3. Thevan, though they are Proper Nouns.
El, is a proper Tamil word, Used for Surian and God as Ellai Illathavan is El or Elumputhal Illathavan, used in Thol Kappiyam Period, onwards.
Sadai- a known name for SivaPeruman used manytimes in Sangam Period, and he is belived to live in Mount Kailash, and many attributes of Saddai takes to Siva, God Siva with Sun and Moon in His Jadai, gives light to the world and Ganges comes through his Jadai- hence Sadai. Jewish Kabalah confirms all this, but church hides all this. El is written as EEl in Nedil and EELSHHADDAI, So that common readers donot understand it.
Ellohim, is a Plural, with Hi, a femnine-as Indo European nature is a corrupt of Ammaiappan and Elohim beomes Allahudum in Arab and this again is Ammaippan.
Devaneyan and Caldwell both Christians know this fraud and didnot tell it and continued to help it.Devaneyan was interested only to cheat Tamils to hate fellow Aborgins of Tamilnadu and India.
MosesMohammedSolomon

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Question 1 : Did Aryan race exist anywhere in India ?

Aryan is not a race. We can call them as language group. If you ask Where are the ancestors,where did they live- I can't answer. I can tell that they were from somewhere in central Asia.
(confusion )
-Maxmuller, Biographies of words and the home of Aryans,Page 80.

Inthu religion's Idol worship & other rituals came from tamil roots
-R.C. Majumdar, Ancient India,Page 18.

South Indian people might have scattered in north India. Their language might be existing before sanskrit.
-Jawaharlal Nehru, Glimpses of world History, Page 11.

Aryan race is a story. They dont have religion, language and God.
- M. Theivanayakam,Dravidar samayam Magazines (1997-98)

Ancient world civilization was effected by tamils
- V.R. Ramachandra Dikshidar, Origin and spread of tamils - 1947, Page 53.

Inthra was the god of 'Marutham' land before aryans
- P. T . Srinivasa Iyengar, Pre Aryan tamil culture, page 27.

Out of 1,53,972 words in vedhic verses 33 times the word 'Arya' comes. Das & Dasyus comes 50 & 70 times respectively. Dasyus were kings.Aryas were hothaas. Aryan never being a race.
-P.T. Srinivasa Iyengar, Life in Ancient India, page 13.

Hothaas of Buddham, samanam, Jesuradusthiriyam and south sivam were also called Aryas
- Sothi prakasam, Ariyar varalaru, Pagam 2 , Page 233

CONCLUSION : Aryans are not a race. They dont belong to single religion. They dont belong to single language. Aryans are hothaas of all religions during vedhic period (Othuvar).

Question 2: Are aryans being Brahmins ?

Vaishnava(Vinnavam) though got radical change in south during 4- 6th century A.D formulated Bhagavat gita caste system with 'Paramanar'(Brahmins) and holy thread introduction.

Nowhere in vedhas 'Brahmin' is refered. At the sametime nowhere in Manusmiruthi / Bagavath gita 'Arya' is refered.

It seems to differentiate from other religion hothas Brahmin were named.
-Sothi Prakasam - Ariyar varalaru, pagam 2, page 220.

CONCLUSION: Brahmins are not Aryans.

Question 3 : What about sanskrit antiquity ?

Vedhas were arranged by Viyasa munivar after 1st century A.D. The language used in vedhas seems to be sanskrit but somewhat different in nature- K.Ayothidaasa Pandithar, Sinthanikal, Part 1, Page 69.

How can we analyse pre historic period with sanskrit literature written after 1st century A.D.?
-Sothi prakasam, Ariyar varalaru, pagam 2, page 233

Panini's grammar 'Astaththayi' was neither written in sanskrit nor for sanskrit.
- Panmozhip pulavar K. Appaththuraiyar, Thenmozhi page 142.

Though 'Astathtthayi' fits for sanskrit we cannot definitely tell for which language and in which language 'Astaththayi' is written
- K. Meenakshi sundaram , Tholkappiam and Astaththayi. Page 7 & 257.

CONCLUSION : A grammar book perceived to be grammar book of sanskrit itself not written in sanskrit language. Think about its antiquity. Sanskrit is an offshoot of tamil.

Question 4 : What about language research for history ?

If we want to know the ancient history and if not in language research where can we do research? Words have exact significance of history.
- Maxmuller. The science of thought, page 6.

There is no root in sanskrit for Krishna,Inthira,vishnu and varuna.
- P.T. Srinivas Iyengar, Pre Aryan tamil culture, page 29

Sindhuvalley alphabets are tamil
- Dr. R. Mathivanan, Epigraphist,Sindhu veli Ezhuthin thiravu, Page 17

Unorganised pragrid / paly / sanskrit were organised with the influence of tamil.
- T.N. Sesha Iyengar,Dravidian India, page 47.

When vincent smith wrote the foreword for his book Ancient India he came to know Indian history should be written from south and not from North.
- Thevaneyan, Oppian Mozhi nool, Page 1-2.

Maxmuller who spent more years for sanskrit found during his last days that world languages root must be in tamil
- Rt. Rev. Robert Calduwell, A comparative Grammar of Dravidian languages, page -90-91

CONCLUSION : Language research (as per Alexandar Gondarav) is the best solution for exact history.

Question 5 : So what do we do ? Is there any evidance proved tamil language antiquity recently through words ?

We continue our search for history through language first and archeological proof next.

Tamilai marakkalama ? - Pa. Aruli and

Greek words of tamil origin & Latin words of tamil origin-two books written by Professor K.C.A Knana kiri Nadar are another milestone in tamil language history.

f.s.gandhi

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Mr. Soloman wrote

// Devaneyan and Caldwell both Christians know this fraud and didnot tell it and continued to help //

How do you know it that they know it ?

Please dont blame, that too based on religion without evidances.

I have also difference of opinion with Thevaneyan only in subject like he used to say sangam is not tamil word where sangu is a tamil word from the same root of sangam and his followers also accpeted that. We have to see our forefather's intiation only.

Readymade acceptance will not make growth but stanstill.

Kindly dont think other languages except sanskrit are not for the religion you want to specify and support.

f.s.gandhi

[solomon]

I quote Professor, Dr.Meiappan , in his book " Deivika Geethiel Tiruvalluvam- " Thiya Ennam Kondor, Nallennam Konda Anthanrkalai ParamaEtirikalai Karuthial, avarkalai Makkal Purakkanikka vendum enra Nokkil, Sathiyai oru Verupattu kurakath Thirithu, Veruppai Valarthakal. Eneve Padaippasiriarkal, Or ARIYAN ENAK Karuthi, Thavarana Arthathaik Karpiththuk Kondu Padaippin tharththai kuraivaka mathipedu seivathum, Padaippai egalvathum Arivudaimaiyagathu. -Page 31.
I donot agree that Brahmins are only Authors of Sanskrit, it has roots from every Aborgins of India. It was Missionary plan to call Indians to be split as Aryans and Dravdians. Jewish and Arabs are called From Persian or Parasigam, and The founder of Thesophical Society- Madam Blavatsky in her Monumental -The Secret Doctrine- tells " They were simply emigrants on their wat to Asia Minor from India, the cradle of humanity, and thier sacredotal adepts tarried to civilise and intiate a barbarian people. Halevy proved the fallacy of the Turanian mania in regard to Akkadian peopl... and other Scientists have proved that the Babylonian Civilisation was neither born nor developed in that country. It was imported from India, and the importers were Brahmanical Hindus."
Agains to me Brahmins, means only educated Hindus, and as I Previously said name Hindu is of Indian origin from Himalayas and Indusamudram and was Pre- Common Era, and most of the Scholars you quoted have ignored all these.
Tirukural is great, still it has lot of kurals, which talks of Piranthe Kudi- which more speaks something like acepting and speading Castesm, though he also says- Pirappokkum ella uerkum.
Now Vedas and Upanishads were having such a wonderful Literauture that Europeans wanted to call themselves as its Authors. They belong to 4000 years old and naturally will have that periods things and similarly Sangam Literature. Eurpean Scholars research further goes on to say that Manusmruthi, 100 CE- is more influenced by TAmil or Dravidians, as Caste is not in Vedas, where as 2nd Cen BCE, Tholkappiyam has it.
Both Sanskrit and Tamil has good and Trash materials, which is of no value to common man, but tells a lot about their day for Scholars;
Brahmins, have given their Life and Soul for this country for Milleniums and spreading Hatred against them without any Scritural basis, and interpreting Krual falsely are Thevaneyans Technique, Kural at noplace talks anti-Vedas or Anti-Brahmins.
When Latin and Greek didnot have any Grammer till 16th CenBCE, we have Tholkappiyam200BCE, and Panini450BCE, thats a pride, we need not have be childish to talk non-sense like this is older, that is later unless- we can prove it to the satisfaction of Eurpean Scholars, they are not keeping quiet and watching all, an Harward Scholars came to fight with NSR, on Indus SEALs.
Reading of Indus seals is another falsehood, when majority of Scholars say it is written from Right to left(Iravatham Mahadevan, Heras etc.,), NSR and Mathivanan read it from Left to right and these are wishful thinkings than any worthy attempts. Indus seals has morethan 4000 symbols, more Pictorial than Scriptural. Now many Foreign Scholars, identify objects of Indus as Aryan and earlier falsehood that it Proves Aryan Invasion THeory are discarded.

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Dear Solomon,

One way you are attacking foreigners and another way you seek their help.

None of them like europeans or Aryan concept or Dravidian concept though they can not be classifed as race divide our country people as you claim.

It is manuvadhis divide the people. They prevent the lower caste people to become 'Archakas' and Now also in hindu law this is followed and so no one other than the so called Brahmins can become Archakas. Can you deny this ? You are talking about foreigners evil design

Your quoting has been proved wrong by Idiappam in one aspect.

You are quoting from another source Dr.Meyyappan How many twist and false propogation it may contain. We dont know.

You support Brahmins openly. And dont take it from pre historic period / sanskrit language to solve your purpose.

Without sanskrit tamil ideology and its literature shall make people equal and happy.

With sanskrit it cannot be achieved.

f.s.gandhi

[solomon]

FSG,
I have given all your claims are bogus and false. Devaneyan's words as appeared I QUOTE, as I could not read Tamil Fonts:
" Nalvetham or Nanmarai, Arangam Agamam enbana ellam Arya Noolkale enbathum, Thirukural thavira ippothulla Pandai Noolkalellam Anthanar enbathum Brahmararie Kurikkum Enpathu Sariye. Page- 102 Tamilar Matham.
Samaskrithtil Thalai sirantha illakana Noolakia Paniniyam, Paniniyal BCE4m Noorandile eyarrpattathu. Ilakkana Noolai Viyakaranam enbar vadanoolar. Annoolirku mun ENN Ilakkana Noolkal Iyarrpattathuakach chollap padukindrthu. Avarrul Muthalathu Vetha Kalthathu enpadum Iyendiram"
- Tamilar Varalaru Page 56,57.
Now as per Scholars - " If an Author changes his stance to the needs of his situations then all his researchers can be Unreliable.
Devaneyan - wrote this when a much more Dubious and Controversial book written by KA.SU.Pillai- who started a dubious arguement of some unknown Tamil Vedas. Quiet a big Controversy started and Devaneyan wrote this article and that too in a magazine with wide scholar viewers. Let Idiyappam confirm by reading fully and telling us fact.

Now when his Fanatics Anti-Tamil Aborgines wanted he wrote another article, telling some other view against this, and that Devaneyan in the views of the Man from Galilee- the Mythological Hero of Christianity -Jesus said- If sombody is dishonest in little matters He cannot be trusted for any Big matter- Luk16;10.

As for Dubious methods by Maraimalai Adigal and KasuPillai- etc., , I Quote from the book Aivu Vatta Veliyedu- run by Communist Scholars- Prof Vanamamalai and others- and this Article was Authored by Ve.Krishnamurthi.
" Veru Vithamaga solvathanal Rig,Yajur, Samam, Atharvanam agiya Nangu Vethangalum Ariyarkalin Padaipukale enra Vunmaium, Bramanrgale Kappalargal nra Yathartha Nilayun Avargalathu Nokirku Idaiyuraga Vaiththu.
Intha Idayurai Kadakka Munby Eppothum Illatha Puthu Kolgaikalai NeethiKatchiyin Karuthukavalrgalakiya Inth Arignarkal (KA.Su.Pillai, MaraimalaiAdigal and SivarasaPillai) Uruvakkinar. ATavathu Vethangal endrum Marai Noolgal endrum, Saiva kuravargalal Kurippidappadubavai Vadamolzi Vethangal Alla endrum, Vadamolzi Vethangal Thondri vittana endrum avarrai kanda Vadamozhiyar, thelivaga Solvadanal Branmanargal avarrai Vadamolziyil peyarthuk kondargal endrum Koorath Thalaip pattanar.
Avvarayin atthamil VETHANGAL INDRU Vullanava endra Vinavirku avai Kadalkolal Azinthupoyina endrum avargal Koorinar. Ikkurugal mutrilum Varalarru Virothmanavai; Vignapoorvamarravai ena Arignargalal Thallappattana, endralum, avarrin Thakkam IndruVarai Tamilagh Makkalidaiye Needithu Irukkirathu enin Migaiyagathu."
- Further the article goes on to analyse Ka.Su.Pillai- giving names Thaithriyem, Bowdigam, Thalvagaram, Atharvanam Agum, entrthil, the Prof analysed and proved that all this names four named refers to some parts of the Indian Vedas.
Prof- also mentions of his article- "kA.SU.Pillayin Aiyvumurai" about the dubious research methods.
Finally Concludes- Ellavatrirkum Melaka Tamilil Nangu Vethangal,, Vadamozhi Vethangalukhu munnare Irunthana endrum avai Muraiye Bavudiyam, Thalavagharam Thaithreyam endrum KA.SU.Pillai pondra Tamil Vetha Arvalargal KOorru Atharamarrathu enavum Thuniyalam." THIS ARTICLE COMES IN Page 51-65.
I STANDby every word I HAVE placed and I HAVE given Devaneyans words. Let reader Decide, much detailed reply on other items follows.

Actually as I said Devaneyan wrote that article I referred to refute Ka.Su.pillai.
Devaneyan when says different statements on different places stand rejected rightlly in Tamil REsearchers
MosesMohammedSolomon

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Mr. Solomon,

You have to look into the social transformation occured during 20th century A.D. in tamil Nadu. It influenced much the scholars and the Aryan theory also prevailed. That led everyone writing about these things in spite of some historical evidances contained in their passages.

In that context they wrote about aryans equating Brahmins.

I have revealed about the latest reseach papers of 'Sothi Prakasam' about Brahmins and Aryans Brahmins are set up of Vaishnava religion and all belonging to vaishna religion were called paramanar / Brahmin. In no way they are connected with Aryans.

Aryan race is proved wrong now. Due to four fold system 'Brahmins' now lives as caste. We cannot define them as race. They live as a caste just other castes live.

Brahmin thirst to identify as sanskrit followers is not due to notion that sanskrit is their mother tongue. They have got accredition as 'Archakas' that's all. If any other caste people accredition by 'Archakas' they will also support sanskrit. That' all.

Think before 20th century A.D. All Brahmins supported tamil and infact 'Paruthimal kalaignar' coined the word 'Chemozhi' intiated and fought for it. That was the case of Brahmins in thosed days.

And since 'Archakas' are their main job they all along the past 1500 years supported sanskrit and its ideology.

My view is Sanskrit is offshoot of tamil as language and ideology.

When 'Asthathayi' is not in sanskrit think about iyenthiram.

We have to pick up truths lying in the invention of authours and carryout our research continuously.

f.s.gandhi

[solomon]

Entire work of Europeans have been keep the entire world as colonies and used Christianity as the tool, as it gave them the title- "Chosen People"- to rule any land and because Bible is such a horrible work, they took Sanskrit with its richness as their own, and called themselves Aryans and I Quote GeorgeBernardShaw- on this
- .. Bible is hopelessly Pre-evolutionary; its description of the origin of life and morals are obviouly fairy tales; its astronomy is terracentric; its notions of the starry universe are childish; its history is epical and legendery; in short, people whose education in these departments derived from the Bible are absolutely misinformed as to be unfit for public employment, parental responsbility , or the Franchise" in his Black Girl in Search of God- Preface.
Lord Macaulay on whose name our educational system is called, in his letter to his father wrote- “The effect of this education on the Hindoos is prodigious. No Hindoo, who has received an English Education even remains sincerly attached to his religion. Some continue to profess it as a matter of policy; but many profers themselves pure Deists, and some embrace Christianity.
It is my firm belief that if, our plans of education are followed up, there will not be single Idolater among the respectable classes in Bengal 30 years hence. And this will be effected without any efforts to prostytise, without the smallest interference with religious liberty; but by the natural operation of knowledge and reflection … “ I have given the background of BODEN Trust in Oxford University- A Bristish Soldier who amased huge wealth from his Indian Service, made a trust to Uproot Hinduism and to enable missionaries to learn Indian Scriptures and also Translation of Bible to Sanskrit etc., Prof H.H.Wilson was the first to occupy, and Monier Williams was the next and Sir.Monier Williams, the editor of Sanskrit-English Dictionary wrote in his other book “Moderb India and the Indians, Page 62- “When the walls of the mighty fortress of Brahminism are encircled, undermined and finally stormed by the soldiers of the Cross, the victory of the Christianity must be Signal and complete.”
The foolish missionaries underestimated the Indian, but achieved in making a small section of Hindus to hate its root- Vedas and Sanskrit Literature.
My quotes of these Europeans are those words hidden from General, where as they wrote them in Abroad, brought out by Researchers, and sometimes the rivalry among missionaries also helped.

Indologist W.W.Hunter has commented on Bishop Caledwell- “ … but in his Comparative Grammar.. as in every branch of Caldwell’s untiring Labout, he was inspired with the belief that he was doing true missionary services”; and as per Caldwell the word Tamil came from Darvidi-Dramizhi-Tamil; and all Dravidians are not local people, but Alien Settlers from abroad, and he maintained this consistently;.
When EV.Ramsamy Naicker- who was a Kannadar by birth for his New Political Party, which fought Congress and enjoyed Political patronage as Stooges and lot of financial benfits from British called it As Dravidar Kalagam; and surprisingly- the word Kalagam is used In SaNgam Literature as association of Kudikedargal and Suthadigal etc; I quote for the benefit of all , EVR Naicker’ views on Tholkappiyam and Thirukural as below:
1. “Tholkappiyan Ariyakooli, Ariya Dharmathiye Tamil Ilakkanamaga seithuvitta Maperum thuroghi.
2. Thiruvalluvan akkalathirku etrra vagaiyil Ariyar karutthukku Atharavu kodukkum alavil pagutharivaip patrri kavalaipadamal Neethi koorum muraiyil thanathu Matha unarchiyodu etho Koorich chendrar.” The words Aryans and Dravidians do not call any race or people; and today it stands Dravidian as Language group of South Indian Languages and Aryan- as Indi European language group. As for the earlist natives of this land from Tholkappiyam to all Literature stands in favour of Anthanars or Brahmins as Devaneyan agreed. Now to call the earliest Aborgins as aliens and was The Biblic Techinque of Divide and Rule, and spreading hate against Sanskrit and Vedas are part of it. FSG need to specify his research supports for his Blind Beliefs.
On Sanskrit and its kids Latin and Greek- I QUOTE :- Sir William Jones in 18th Cen wrote- The Sanskrit Language.... whatever be its antiquity, more perfect than the Greek, more copius than Latin and more exquisitly refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a Stronger affinity both in the roots and in the form of Grammer, than could possibly have been produced by accident, so strong indeed, that no Philologist could examine all Thre, without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which perhaps no longer exists. “

I have proved beyond doubt, that the Biggest Anti-Tamilar but BIG hYpocrite Tamil Apologist Devaneyan had to agree that Tholkappiyam, to entire Tamil Literature clearly refers Vedas and Sanskrit Literature, and we do not have any Tamil Literature, without the backup of Vedas and Maxmuller took the duty to try to Backdate Vedas and to stop the Idea, Sanskrit as mother of Latin and Greek , which he changed as Elder SIster and this I QUOTE
Blavatsky the founder of Thesophical Society- "Inflectional Spech: the root of the Sanskrit, very erroneously called the "elder sister" of the Greek, instead of its mother- was the first language, now the mystery tongue of the Intiates, othe Fifth Race. The "Semitic " languages are the ******* descendants of the First Phonetic corruption of the eldest children of the early Sanskrit"- Secret Doctrine. Vol-3 PG 205.

Maxmuller who showed himself as a secular scholar, in his letter to his wife wrote - “ I Hope I Shall finish that work, and I FEEL CONVINCED THOUGH I shall not live to see it, that this edition of mine and the translation of Vedas will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India… Vedas are the root of their religion, and to show them what that root is, I FEEL SURE IS THE ONLY WAY OF UPROOTING ALL THAT HAS Sparang up from it during the last 3000 years……..”
Sometime Before his death wrote, I quote- “ Even, their religion is not as bad as it looks, as I hoe to show in a book just finished, I have not much faith in missionaries – medical or otherwise. If we get such men again in India as RammohunRoy or Kesub Cahandrasen and if we get an Archbishop of Calcutta who knows what Christianity is, India will be Christianized in all that is essential in the Twinking of an eye, and on this too we must be hopeful” What I Quote are from sincere researches, not known to commonly, and I Quote from the book
The Arsenal of Christian Soldiers in India – Rev.J.Fr.Stacker- “ I am of special obligation to the volumes of Monier Williams, Mitchel, Hopkins, Wilson…. Caldwell, Maxmuller and others , too numerous to mention.”
In a response to an RSS groups book as late as 1985,Indian church maintains that Dravidians, Aryans, and Tribals are all Aliens of Indian Land and I quote-
“ There is ample evidence that Hinduism is not the religion of India, even if it s older than Christianity in India. There is no reason either Ariyanism or Dravidianism or other religion in India to call the other Foreign. –Page34, Christianity in India- Unique and Universal Mission released by CSI and the same book says- “ Due to Aryan Invasion of 1500BC, the Adivasis fled to the hills and forest and did not integrate with other Indians, ofcourse the Dravidians were more docile and less militant and migrated to South India and Some were absorbed in the Aryan Acculturalisation” page-225. further , I quote
” The most outstanding fact that we need to understand is that we must know that the Tribals People of the NorthEast Hills are not Hindus by any stretch of imagination, they are the people who Continued to come from parts of Asia at different stages of History. Page 236.
The most of the Indians have been misinformed and like you all and Dravidian movement leaders became a tool on the hands of Church, which in the long run, on Converting they can make Indians as Collanies of Europe as and when Political situation changes Internationally.

TAMIL SANGAM SONG says- a Maduraite Proudly saying, You Chola Capital and Chera capital people wakeup at Cheval Kooval, where as we in Madurai, wakeup at the Divine Vedic Prayers everyday.

I have put with detailed Research opinions of various Scholars on this Vedas and what it refers without any doubt and for every readers benefit I Quote DEVANEYAN again- “ Nal Vetham allathu NanMarai, Arangam, Agamam enpathu ellam Ariya Noolgale enpathum, Thirukural Thavira Ippothulla Pandaiya Tamil Noolgal ellam Anthanar enpathum Brahmanargaliye kurikkum enpathum Sariye. Page- 102 Tamilar Matham
“Samaskrithathil thalai sirantha Ilakkana Noolakiay Paniniyam, Paniniyal KI.MU.4m. Noorandil Iyarrappattathu. Ilakkananoolgalai Viyakaranam enbar Vadanoolar. Annoorkumun Enn Ilakkana Noolgal Iyarappattathach Sollap padugindrathu. Avarrul muthalathu Vetha Kalaththathu enappadum Iyendiram” Page 56, 57, Tamilar Varalaru.

The first Quote was written by Devaneyan in a highly Controversial situation, to Reply a Dubious research book by Ka.Su.Pillai, saying the Vedas are not Sanskrit Vedas and that Anthanar are not the Brahmins, In a Illakiya Megazine- and cannot carry his frauds he was otherwise doing.

IF Idiyappam or others give other quotation from Pavanar that would disqualify Devaneyan worthy as a Scholar, as I Quote; JOHN W MONTGOMERY- : ”One must listen to the claims of the documents of the documents under analysis, and not assume fraud or error unless the Author Disqualified Himself by Contradictions or known factual inaccuracies”

I Feel you are all gone by the deception of missionaries and having a closed mindset to truths and hence, such a detailed missionary details were to be given.

Truth always is going to help, not false beliefs even if they are close to our hearts. And for the benefit of readers I QUOTE the views of more than 100s of Scholars from America, from Catholic University- in its NEW CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA- "The Beginning of Sanskrit Literature go back to almost 2500BCE, Not only is the antiquity of Sanskrit Literature truly remarkable, but its fecudits, veracity and continuity or no less so” Page445, Vol 7 . and Maxmuller AGAIN- “ To the Scholars, no doubt the Vedas remained and always remain the oldest real book that has been preserved to us in an almost miraculous way.” – My Autobiagraphy- a fragment Page 188 & 189.

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