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Thread: TAMIL is much ELDER to SANSKRIT !

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    both are good

    Both the languages are equally good. Tamil language is our mother tongue. Sanskrit is our rashtra basha. we should learn sanskrit to read our religious literature.

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    Re: both are good

    Quote Originally Posted by RSSKaran
    Sanskrit is our rashtra basha. we should learn sanskrit to read our religious literature.
    And know all the ills that came along with it!

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    Tamil is elder to sanskrit

    Dear Mr.RSSkaran,

    // Sanskrit is our rashtra basha. we should learn sanskrit to read our religious literature.//

    Can you explain more what rashtra basha means ?


    And Dear Mr. geno,

    I am not able to read your column here because I don' t have tamil font installed into my computer.

    Can anybody give information to download and install such font
    from web ? What is the way ?

    f.s.gandhi
    "Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudi"- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated

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    FSG Vandayar,

    Go to the following site and download TSC_AvarangaL fonts to read Tamil scripts.

    http://www.tamil.net/tscii/tools.html

    And download the key board tool called e-kalappai to type Tamil scripts. But when you download and intstall e-kalappai , TSC Avarangal fonts get automatically installed.

    So I would suggest you download e-kalappai once and for all . Good luck !!

    Happy Tamil typing and viewing !!

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    dear fsgandhi vandaiyar,

    could you kindly enlighten us on what mr.mathivanan have

    deciphered in the

    indus valley civilisaton script,seal,s?

    what do they pronounce like in sweet tamil ?

    -thankyou.

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    Dear Thiru senthilkumaras,

    Kindly refer my postings in threads, 'Sanskrit - tamil myth' dated April 17,2005 and 'Is tamil is derived from sanskrit' dated April 25, 2005 regarding Dr.Mathivanan's findings.

    He used mesopatomian and Brahmi script to dechipher out sindhu valley script.

    f.s.gandhi
    "Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudi"- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated

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    Dear Mr.Roshan,

    Thank you for your information. I have downloaded 'tamil fonts' and am able to read Mr. geno's passage in this column.

    Dear Mr.geno,

    'Angadi', 'Angaththinar' are old words and why did Bharathiyar delete this word 'angaththinar ? The word 'Uruppu' might be getting sound when added with 'Aali'- like 'Ulzhaipali'.

    But there are some tamils like R.C.Sakthi , a director in tamil cinema once wrote that he could not get equivalent best word for 'Sparisam'- . He did not know the word 'silirpu'

    A great story writer like Geyakkanthan could not find the equivalent word for 'pravakam' which he considered the best word to reveal the situation of uncontrollable 'Unarchi'.

    No tamil knows 'Pravakam'. He added 'Unarchi pravakam' which was the correct word to specify what he means to say as a situation in his story. 'Unarchi'-karaipuralthal, unarchi kattukadangathathu were not in his interest.

    The equivalent word for 'Ragasiam' is 'kamukkam' which is old but used now only in colloquial language may not get attraction in the mind of modern story tellers / killers.

    I have not had the chances of reading stories / novels of present day writers and I have escaped from these killers. I don't know How tamil is killed.

    My point here is true devoters like Bharathiyar can only reemancipate tamil.

    f.s.gandhi
    "Kal thonri man thontra kalathay mun thonri mootha kudi"- a second century literature- means when before stone became sand in earth the tamil tribes were formulated

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    While googling for Telugu online dictionaries, I noticed the following:
    http://www.boloji.com/history/025.htm
    I do not know how authorative the article is but it seems to suggest that some words went from old Tamil to Samskrit.
    Swarup

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    Tamil & Sanskrit

    Every one of us would love Our Mother Tongue to be the best in the world and Tamil to be the Oldest.

    Historical Linguistics is a Secular Science without preferences.

    While the Earliest of Tamil Literaure Tholkappiyam is dated to 350 CE, we have Sanskrit Literature Like Valmiki Ramayan aound 1000BCE, And we have complete manuscript with Carbon14 dated to 1st Century CE. Vedas- which is in unrefined SANSKRIT is dated now 2000-600 BCE( see wikipedia), but many Tamil Scholars in eagerness to lift Tamil try to date Sanskrit to later date, without proper basis.

    As friends shows, the earliest Brahmi- Stone inscrptions have Telugu and Kannada words dated 300 BCE, though we donot have any literature from this languages for another 1000 years atleast.

    We should accept that Sanskrit and Tamil as Two Eyes of India.

    European Scholars, seeing that Sanskrit Literature- has somuch, said Indians cannot have such Knowledge and Identified SAnskrit is from them and called Aryans- for which there is no basis.

    Anybody trying to call a section of Indians, as Aryan or Dravidian accept that Indians are not knowlegable.

    Let us be proud of both.
    MosesMohammedSolomon

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