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1st August 2005, 02:30 PM
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TAMILAR MARRIAGES AND TRUTHS.
Mr.FSG talked about Ancient Tamil Marriages and saying no Presence of Vehics there. FSG does not take any of the Concluded Opinions of more than 500 Research P.hd. Thesies, and Speculates with Rejected Separatist Sayings, and His Handling of Arumarai- and his Complete Innocence of Original Literature is completely exposed.
Now On Old Tamil Marriages-
Now Let us Understand Velvi:
Nan Pala Kelvi Murriya Velvi Anthanarukku - Puram 361.
Anthi Anthanar Arunkaden Irukkum
Muththie Vilakirru Injum Puram -2
Now Velvi and Marai are always One Every where for the world, and We have to now Clearly Live by Concluded Datings of the Literature- Sangam to Kural to Silaptahikaram- 300BCE to 100 CE,
and Tholkappiyam very clearly 150BCE TO 200BCE, any thing beyond this are mere Speculations.
Now In Silapathikaram on Kannagi Wedding:
Malai Thal Chenni Vairamani Thoonagathu
NilaVithanathu NithilapPum Panthar Kil
Vanur Mathiyan sgadanaya Vanthu
Chali orumean thakaiyalai Kovalan
MAMUTHU PARPPAN MARAIVAZHI KATITA
Thii Valandh Seithu..... and again
we see the song continues :
Vilakinar Kalathinar Virintha Paligai
Mulaikuta Niraiyinar
Friends Detailed Marriage function is mentioned and most of what is mentioned is followed even today By Orthodax Tamils even today.
Now Let us TholKappiyam We See PolyGamy is Openly Practised by Society-
PinMurai akkiya PerumPorul Vathuvai
Thonmurai Manaivi Ethirpadayinum - Karpiyal 31
Kamak Kilathi Manaiol Enrivar
Emuru Kilavi Solliye ethirum and
In every House Girls are grown for additional Wifes(?)
KadarParathai Ellarkum Vurithe So POLYGAMY was certainly Present.
SATHI was also Prevalent, Mentioned in PuraNanuru- Wife of Puthapandian Jumping in to fire is mentioned.
Tholkappiyam is Clear on Castelism:
MELOR Moovarkum Punarntha Karanam
Kilorku Akiya Kalamum VUnde Karpi3
Pirape Kudimai Anmai Andodu..... Thol. Mei -25
and on Love Marriages:
Kamak Koottam Kanum Kalai
MARAIOR TheEthu Mandral Ettanul
Thuraiamai Nal Yal Thunaimayor iyalbe- Kalbi 1
Here when Lovers meet and mind meets they Unite, and THOLKAPPIYAR says Like- Maraiyor- i.e., In Vedas Kandarva Manam is allowed, like this it is.
Now further when this Lovers meet and Mental Marrages, cheating happened, then came -
Poiyum Valuvum Thondriya Pinnar
IYER Yathanar KARANAM enba- Karp -4,
Marraiges became a big function and Iyers- Brahmins doing Velvi, and with God's Presence this functions were conducted.
So This is what is Tamil Marriages about.
Mr.Anchaneya, Thank You, I Wanted FSG to keep on Bluffing as many times before exposing it and At right time You did it. Be careful You would be attacked On any way if you stand on Research Truths and not on there falsehoods.
FSG corrected my meaning of Kural , on "Akal Visumbular Koman", and thank you for the same- I Pointed out that Akal Visumbular Koman is a Single Phrase- Meaning Head of Thevarkal- nothing to do with Ramayan Agalikai Story, and that is it, and I Quote Shear Nonsense saID by Mr.Neduncheliyan:
Inthiran and how he was defeated by this 'munivar' who controlled his five senses and mock the manusmrithi belivers with that kuraL
"aInthaviththAn aAttral akal visumpulOr
kOman inthiranae saala kati' (i'm sorry if i got the kural wrong)
then in another kuraL where vaLLuvar says
"marappinum oOthik koLalAgum pArppanAr
pirappozhukkang kuntrak kedum" (was it oOthik or oOthuk?)
In this kuraL ThiruvaLLuvar point out how Brahmins are treated better than the normal people of the North India and how if Brahmins make mistake, then their head is shaved bald or they are abolished from the village. However if someone else does the same crime then they get punished in cruel manner.
Mr.FSG , This Kural -
Marappinum Oothukolam Parppan Pirapu
Olukkam Kundrak Kedum- Kural 144
For Brahmins where called AruTholizar(ARU-Vallina ra- means 6)
and Parpanar, as they wrote Panchangam- Forsee Rains, Climate in advance, and told when to SOW, What Crop and also suitable Dates for Travel etc., and Pirappozhukam for Aruthozil Anthanar- Parpanar is Clearly mentioned in Sangam Literature: from
Pathirupathu
Kelvi Kettu Padivam Vodiyathu
Velvi Vettanai Vuyarnthor Vuvamba
Othal Vettal Avaipirar Seital
EIthal Erral enru Aaru Purintu olukum
Arampuri Anthanar Valimolunthu Oluki. - Their Duties are :
1. Read Great Books and research
2. Teach those Books
3. Do Vedhic Yagnas and Poojas for self
4. Perform Vedhic Yagnas and Poojas for others.
5. Give Money to Needy and
6. Receive Money so that you can do 5.
So Here Valluvar says, even when He Forgets- what is read- i.e., Maraikal- You can relearn, but maintain all other Duties, and where here the Nonsense of Interpretation on Valluvar is against Vedas comes.
No Objective Historical Scholar in the world feels Saraswathi River-Indus valley Pictorial Symbols are Dechiphered and are clearly Bogus, and Mathiwanan has been one of the worst Forgeries completely rejected.
He Must take this 10,000/ Dollar price are stop Nonsense.
rk_k, thank you, If Olas are Original Let Mr.FSG Help and take Million Dollar Bet on Astrology, and stop speculations here.
Sangam Literature or Vadamozhi Literature belongs to the Period it's written and both had good and other type of that time, and Vedas have been in Tamilnadu by 1000Bce, or earlier and We do not have a single Tamil Literature earlier than 300BCe, TO diferenciate Tamil and Vedic Cultrure, and As Sindu -Saraswathi Archelogy and others Prove Vedhic Worship is Prevalent for more than 5000 years or more.
If you are dating Vedas to CE, please quote from thAT pERIOD
Literature and Not Speculation of 20th Century Hypocrites.
MosesMohammedSolomon
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1st August 2005 02:30 PM
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