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    Today we shall renovate one old word ‘KARAVU’

    Karavu-means ‘vancham’

    Karavam-‘Vanchinam’ : root is ‘kara’ - karaththal,karakam are from this root.

    Karavam – Kaaravam – Kaaram – means Vekam ( Speed / chilly taste)

    Kaaravam- karakan - means 'Chevvai' - a planet to specify angry.

    Akam+karakan= Ankarakan

    Akam+karam – Akankaram – Aankaram – in the same way Oonkaram.

    Karavam – kauravam – kauravar (in Mahabharatha)

    Karavar – a Singala warrior caste in Sri lanka.

    Karavam is old word for vancham which is now used only in Thanjavour dialect.

    We will see about 'KADAL'- love in tommorrow / forthcoming day.

    f.s.gandhi

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    Dear friends,

    ‘Kathal’ = Ka + th + al –Ka means ‘Protect’-- ‘Kathu’ – When man in forest used this human organ by observing peculiar sounds in order to protect himself from natural disaster and carnivores this word 'Kathu' was formulated.

    Kathal- A man / woman who protect each others feelings. Kathanmai – Anpudaimai signifies the same meaning.

    The later evolved equivalent word is ‘Praemam’ – ‘Pa’ or Para specifies an area

    Param = A top or excellent thing (area) / God , Paran – a top hut (area) Paravai- Sea (area) whereas the word ‘Parravai’ specifies a top flying bird (top area seen by bird)

    Paramai – An imagination disassociated with land / material things (a imaginative top area – imagination always connected to top)

    Param + Am = Paramam- Pramam- Praemam

    In word ‘Paramari’- Pa- Param specifies ‘protect’ as in the word ‘Kathal’

    Hence in ‘Praemam’ Param specifies give top priority and eventually ‘protect’

    Check out these words for equivalent formations.

    Kasu(money)- Kutram – Thappu – Dappu (money) (Telugu)

    Parppu – means ‘young bird’ - Pappu- Pappa – young baby

    Parppu – Pappu – papu – Babu – Young boy (Telugu)

    Parppu – Parppaan – Young elite fair boy / Double birth man which means a man of double birth by having holy thread like a bird first given birth to an egg and from egg bird comes out.

    Excess ‘Kathal’ will make person ‘mental’ or ‘loose’ which makes the man even to do murder.

    Hence the word ‘Kathakan’ was evolved will specify negative connotation.

    You can observe positive and negative connotation words from same roots only in tamil since tamil is a natural language.

    Simply we can put in this way. The phrase ‘ Kanthi kanakku’ is now to specify illegal account / unreturned account was evolved from ‘Gandhi Kanakku’ where Gandhiji made perfect public account for Congress party.

    f.s.gandhi

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    Dear friends,

    Today let me write about very old words ‘Madu’ / 'Maadu'

    ‘Madu’ might have evolved from a thing that is distinctively seen in flat surface. 'Madu' means a small mountain.

    This ‘madu’ turned ‘maru’ to specify a mole in skin.

    'Madu' turned ‘Maadu’ to specify worldly materials / ‘selvam’ / treasure which is distinctively seen after one acquires them.

    ‘Madu’ used in thirukkural as ‘Selvam’ – ‘Kaedil Vizhuchelvam Kalvi oruvarkku ‘MAADALLA’ matrai yavai’ –

    Man after fighting acquired land and did agriculture with household animals. Having so many ‘MAADUS’ was thought to be treasure of rich man. Then 'Maadu' was used to specifiy bullocks.

    ‘Pasu’ was called ‘Pasu maadu’.

    Maadu turned ‘Mattu’/ Mattuppen to specify the bride / incoming daughter- in- laws since they bring wealth through ‘Thatchinai’ / having a bride means wealth to the family.

    ‘Summaadu’ is tamil word and it is not loan word from any other language. While transferring weights through heads of men a cloth is used and this is called ‘SUMMAADU’.

    Sumai + Maadu. Sumai means weight. ‘Maadu’ here means ‘Pakkam’ / Selvam which is used to support the weight just like wealth supports man distinctively.

    Tamil pandits should avoid the habit of telling ‘loan words’ when they are not able to find roots of a word.

    Maattu – also specifies a distinctive feature of poetry.

    ‘Maatterithal’ means ‘tell significantly / distintively’ (Aaerrittuk kooru)

    f.s.gandhi


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    Today we analyse the old word ‘Thaai’- mother

    ‘Thaai’ means an adapted person unlike most of the tamil dictionaries claim. How ?

    ‘Thaai’ turned ‘Thaayar’ – Thaasar just like ‘Theyam’ turned ‘Thesam’-Desh.

    ‘Thaasar’ means a person who adapted another person’s theory.

    ‘Thaai’ here specifies females since they adapt males to deliver children. Note ‘Thaai’ is used only after a female gets marriage and gives birth to a child.

    ‘Thaayam’ from the same root which means an adapted incident happening after an activity by man. Another meaning is an asset adapted from his / her ancestor.

    ‘Thaayaththu’ means an adapted version of God.

    ‘Thayir’ means as adapted version of milk or ‘Paal’.

    Thayavu , Thayai specifies request another person’s help which is adapted version of something.

    ‘Thayakkam’ means deject another person intension, having negative connotation to the root.

    ‘Thaayakam’ –The land which adapted by indegenious people.

    f.s.gandhi

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    f.s.gandhi, Good going. Do post more..

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    Thiru RR,

    The wonder behind tamil word formation is natural and readers will observe that.

    Thank you for your compliments.


    Dear friends,

    Today we look into the old words Veeram & marham which were preserved as the quality of warrior in tamil sankam literature.


    Veeram- Veeru + Am -----Veeru is from ‘Viru’ which specifies Speed. Note ‘Viru viru’

    ‘Veeru’ specifies certain thing which expands its magnitude and volume.

    ‘Viraku’ is such a word that expands its magnitude and nos. when broken into pieces from a compact wood. ‘Viraai’ also means ‘Viraku’.

    ‘Viral’ – exapansion of palm. ‘Virattu’ – Expand / make every one scattered from one focal point.

    ‘Virithal’ – an expansion in volume. ‘viriki’ a name for paddy later turned Sanskrit as ‘Virigi’.

    ‘Virakam’ – an expansion in feeling.

    ‘Virayam’- an expansion in spending.

    ‘Viruthar’ also means ‘Veerar’ . Note ‘viruthular’ a surname of warrior caste.

    ‘Viruthu’ – an award given to the heroic deeds / Veeram.

    ‘Veeriyam’- Speed

    ‘Virukam’ an old word to specify animals because of their violent nature. This turned ‘marukam in tamil ‘Mirukam’ in Sanskrit since there is no ‘va’ in Sanskrit.

    ‘Virucham’ – the expanded form of a plant which is ‘Virutcham’ in Sanskrit.

    ‘Viruththi’ & viruththam means expansion.

    ‘Viraiththal’ specifies the negative connotation which means ‘maraththuppothal’.

    Hence veeram means an inner rigid expansion of courageous feeling to face anything in front of man.

    MARHAM – Marhu + am – Stand against something.

    ‘Maralal’ means ‘Maarupaduthal’.

    ‘Muram’ – Which stand against dropping of cereals. ‘Muran’ – means ‘Marupadu’

    ‘Mari’ means ‘Ethirthu nil’- Stand against. Note ‘ Mariyal’

    ‘Maruthali’ – Talk in opposite way.

    ‘Matru’ means different.

    ‘Marai’- Make hide against something.

    ‘Maaran’- A person who is against to his opponents.

    ‘Maaru’- pahai – enmity

    ‘Maatran’ / ‘Maatralar’ –enemy

    Hence ‘Marham’ means stand rigidly against anything. Veeram has later origin than Marham.

    f.s.gandhi






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    I suppose 'virunthu' is an expanded form of meals.. What does 'viruththam' (as used in tamil music) mean?

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    Dear RR,

    'Viruththam' is a form of tamil poetry.(marabukkavithai).

    Venba,Vanchippa,Kalippa & Aachiriyappa are four forms containing sychronising pattern called 'Thema' and 'pulima' which are very well known by tamil pandits.

    An expansion of 'Thema' and 'pulima' which means some extra alphabets with them make another forms of the above poetrical forms namely Venba viruththam,vanchippa viruththam and so on.

    I am not able to give illustration since I have forgotten now this poetrical aspects.

    Can anybody help in this

    All I now know is 'Mathura' film Vidyasakar music song-

    'Thema unakku thaan, Pulima unakku thaan, Maamaa Naan Unakae thaan.

    Kindly don't take it in another way 8)

    f.s.gandhi
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    Dear Friends,

    Today we get into the word ‘Naaththikam’. Most of the people will get shock on hearing this word because they think that this word is against ‘Aaththikam’. But it is not so.

    Aaththikam is from ‘Akaththikam’ means inner heart oriented Whereas

    ‘Naaththikam’ = Naththu + akam- Naththu means ‘Andu’, ‘pakkaththil valaru’, ‘Charnthu Iru’ – grow with someone.

    Hence when there is no Aaththikam there is no Naaththikam.

    Naththam – (Puram Pokku) A land unowned by anybody when it is near by some owned land.

    Naththai – an insect which moves very closer to land. When there is no land there is no Naththai

    Nathi- a river / Aaru Here also nathi relies on land.

    Naaththi / Naaththanar – sister of husband. No husband no Naaththi.

    Naathi – help – a person is specified as naathi for some other person if the first person / relation helps the 2nd person.

    Naaththu- a young plant from seed.

    Naaththam – Manam / smell. A quality inborn with things.

    Nanthi – a sub God

    Nanthini - a daughter. No mother – no daughter.

    Nanthai – a rope with ploughing tool (kalappai)

    Naatham – a sound of instrument

    Naathan – Thalaivan – No people -No naathan

    We need not treat this ‘Naathikam’ as against ‘Aaththikam’

    Infact Naathikam is required when foolishness is going on in Aaththikam.

    ‘Aaththikam’ is purely related on internal feelings of individual and cannot be explained through words.

    In course of time this makes ‘Aaththikam’ unquestionable & uninterpretable since the feelings becomes belief.

    During this time ‘foolishness’ arises in society in the form of uncontrollable belief. That time Naathikam is required.

    From time immemorial Naththikam was there in all societies of world.

    In Mahabharatha and Ramayana Naaththikars are portrayed during Tharma starts his gambling and Thasaratha marries 60,000 wives.

    ‘Athvaida’ principle was thought based on Naaththikars. Buddha was a Naaththikar.

    Naaththikam is a part of Inthu religion. All chiddhars were Naaththikars.

    Nicholas chobarnicas who told first earth rounds sun was a naaththikar.

    Pithogoras,Aristotle and Pernatcha were Naaththikars

    Stalin who followed Naathika Communism allowed dead bodies cut for medical research which led Russia toppler in medical science, was a naaththikar. Louie pastieur, a Russian who invented medicine for “Dog bite” was also a naaththikar.

    Protestants who live in world leading countries are Naaththikar in nature. Nabikal also taught Naaththika based visions.

    Bharathiyar and Kananthasan were Naathikars in their beginning life.

    It doen’t mean naaththikam is best. It supports Aaththikam.

    Hence when there is no Aaththikam- No Naaththikam. Naaththikam will always renovate a religion to new path and it is not against religion but supportive only.

    f.s.gandhi


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    what is the meaning of the word "vithayam"?

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