Is tamil derived from Sanskrit

[aravindhan]

“Yaalhi” Animal is diferent from the Musical-Instrument“Yaazh” “Yaalhi” was a peculiar shaped Animal … the shape of which we find in the Tamil-nadu Temple Sculptures … as a Combination of Lion and Elephant Heads….Perhaps such a Dragon-shaped Animal existed once upon a time similar to the Annam-bird… resembling a Duck… about which too we find in various Tamil-Literatures including Naidatham of Puhazhaendhi-p-Pulavar. Both these creatures even though do not exist now… we find them in the Sculptures and Ajantha-Paintings too.

I think the yALi is called "vyaali" in Kannada and northern languages. One also sees them on temples in other parts of India. Here is a picture of a carving from the Konark temple in Orissa, which is quite clearly a yALi:
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~mbinu/images...s/Image17.html
There is a place in Bangalore called Vyalikaval, which seems to have something to do with the yALi / vyali - does the name have an old history, or is it recent? Do any of our resident Bangaloreites / Kannadigas know?

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

First of all we have to keep in mind the letter variation of ra / la should be understood as phonetical variation / meaning variation seems to be present at first instance. But the root of these words will be same and root will have same meaning of what man perceived earlier. I have revealed this in many threads.

In the word Yazhi / Yazhi the root is Aazh / Aazhi since vowel staring must be the beginning of this word. Aazh means borderless / a thing having unmeasurable distance.
It specified Sea. When ‘Urulai. Chakaram’ run long distance they were also called Aazhi.
Chakkaram found as circle and so Aazhi specified ‘Vattam’. Ring was found as Vattam and so Ring (Mothiram) was called as Aazhi. Very beginning man’s primary instrument was created with 7 strings with its arm’s length less and round bottom shape and due to its big round bottom shape “Aazh” was named and it turned “yaazh” later. When elephant trunk (Thuthikai) was found like “Yazh” shaped it was also named as “Yazh”.

We need not tell that Kannada / other north Indian “Vyali” is from tamil.

You can find the above meanings in all tamil dictionaries. Hence the roots are the same.

“Yazhp paanam” the name signifies “Neenda panai marankal” and associated instrument “Yazh” which was made from Palm pots. The atmosphere in Yazhpaanam should be taken first.

f.s.gandhi

[Nedunchezhiyan]

any more information on the 'yALi?'

The words, 'Sakotharan' and 'Sakothari' are they Thamizh?

nanRi, paNhivu

[Nedunchezhiyan]

What is with the 18 Siththars who are widely spoken in the Thamizh history? When did these people live? What kind of breakthrough did they do? Are their work still available or lost in time?

What are the Thamizh symbol equivalents of the numerical values 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 0?


The head of the yALi is found on the veenai's arm. A Thamizh teacher told me that the veenai is a representation of human body, as the strings are tied to a wooden representation of backbone structure and etc. That is when, he inquired us if we knew the animal which was on the veenai's arm. He also pointed out the fact that Thamizh people use these on 'manavarai' where the yALi is put in the display. How did this tradition come in use? What is the real story behind the Thamizh Dragon, yALi?

[Idiappam]

What is with the 18 Siththars who are widely spoken in the Thamizh history? When did these people live? What kind of breakthrough did they do? Are their work still available or lost in time?

There are more than 60 Sithars - the earliest being Thirumoolar - (3rd Century CE) and the last Ramalinga Vallalar (he is considered a sithar too).

They are grouped differently in 18s by different people. Some are medicinal Siththars - Like Bogar, Pulipani, Theraiyar, ...

Some talk vazhviyal - how to live 'philosopically' - Like Sivakiyar, Pambatti, Kuthambai ...

Some, like Thirumoolar, wrote both medicine and 'philosophy'.

Do you need a list of names?

[Nedunchezhiyan]

It would be great if you could provide with the names and any other references to their professions.

[aravindhan]

What are the Thamizh symbol equivalents of the numerical values 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 0?

If you have Unicode fonts installed, you can the Tamil numerals and how they were traditionally used here:

http://www.geocities.com/avarangal/tamil-numerals.htm

In modern times, the system has been rationalised a little. For instance, one sees ௧0 instead of ௰, and ௧000 instead of ௲. Similarly, 253 would today be written ௨௫௩ rather than ௨௱௫௩.

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Dear Nedunchezhian,

Kindly go through the posting dated 01 / 08 / 05 to have some details about Tamil Siddhar tradition in "Tamil is elder to Sanskrit" thread.

f.s.gandhi

[Nedunchezhiyan]

What is the root of the word
'pAnam?' which is said to be a non Thamizh word and 'saaru' is the preferred alternative.

Thiru FSG, I think you once explained the root of the word 'suththam' from 'sutham' or something, would you be kind and post the root of the word 'suththam' here?

What is the root of the word 'sakOtharam,' is it Thamizh?

nanRi, paNhivu

[Idiappam]

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