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    It seems you have genuine trouble understanding the meaning of the comment.

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    It seems you have genuine trouble understanding the meaning of the comment.
    It wasn’t so before but it is so now, as you definitely have managed to misunderstand the whole response.

    Perhaps, a thorough analysis of the subject and better use of language might have helped you convey the message correctly. Anyway, please carryon.

    I am really sorry if my response has stirred up your emotions.



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    Emotional reasoning: Making decisions and arguments based on how you feel rather than objective reality.

    This is based on an appeal to emotion and is a form of logical fallacy, since the desirability of a consequence does not address the truth value of the premise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences

    Appeal to emotion:

    Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy, which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. This kind of appeal to emotion is a type of red herring and encompasses several logical fallacies, including:

    Appeal to consequences
    Appeal to fear
    Appeal to flattery
    Appeal to pity
    Appeal to ridicule
    Appeal to spite
    Wishful thinking

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

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    Reason, Logic, Thinking, Science and Technology have led to destruction of all ecosystems. It has led to decimation of animal and plant species.

    (1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
    (2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
    without destroying nature.
    (3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
    limited to searching for food for one time only.
    (4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
    years / a few hundred years.
    (5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
    (6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
    (7) When man thinks he makes things.
    (8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
    ( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

    (9) A thinking species destroys the planet.



    Intelligence Is A Curse.

    This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

    The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
    [Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

    The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
    [The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

    Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.

    Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

    [In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]



    Mental work is injurious to the mind and planet.

    Life was never good in the past.

    Life will never be good in future.

    Life can never be good.


    Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

    There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

    In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
    In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


    Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

    We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

    There is no higher purpose behind work.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People work because they cannot stop working.

    The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

    Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

    All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

    When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

    When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People do not work for their family.
    People do not work for their nation.
    People do not work for any reason.

    People work because they cannot stop working.

    It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

    [ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

    For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
    The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

    Man can do the same physical work every day.
    Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

    When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

    After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

    When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

    Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

    Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

    Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

    Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

    Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.



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    Thoughts charged with emotions:

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Reason, Logic, Thinking, Science and Technology have led to destruction of all ecosystems. It has led to decimation of animal and plant species

    Intelligence Is A Curse.

    Mental work is injurious to the mind and planet.


    In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort.
    Emotional thoughts charged with fantasies and wishful thinking:

    Introduction
    Some Puranic accounts of Air-Chariots
    References from Ancient Literature
    India had a Superior Civilization
    Ancient Writings tell of UFO visit in 4,000 B.C.
    Fly the Friendly skies in Air India Vimanas
    Flying machines in old Indian Sanskrit texts
    Chariots of The Gods
    Vymaanika Shaastra Aeronautics of Maharshi Bharadwaaja
    Ancient nuclear blasts
    Did Man Reach The Moon Thousands Of Years Ago?
    High-Tech Vedic Culture
    Mysteries from Forgotten Worlds
    Soaring Through Ancient Skies


    http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm
    Facts/Reality:

    Indian History Timeline/Timeline of India

    3000 - 1700 BC: Harappan civilization in the Indus valley (part of modern Pakistan) with brick-built cities laid out in precisely aligned north-south, east-west grids. Brick and street sizes are standardized throughout the region. These are the last examples of town planning until Maharajah Jai Singh builds Jaipur in the 18th century AD.

    circa 1100 BC: Rig Veda epic hymn composed. Indian society becoming Aryanized: (1) Sanskit writing, (2) deference to a priesthood (Brahmins), and (3) hierarchical social structure (caste system).

    circa 950 BC: war described in Mahabharata fought; Pandavas found their new capital at Indraprastra (Delhi).

    circa 900 to 500 BC: Mahabharata and Ramayana composed

    circa 500 BC: oral poems and hymns committed to writing

    circa 450 BC: birth of Siddhartha Gautama, subsequently known as "the Buddha"

    327-326 BC: Alexander the Great invades India but his men, weary from eight years of conquest, eventually force him to retreat. Alexander is nearly killed by an arrow while making his way to the mouth of the Indus.

    320 - 200 BC: Maurya empire encompasses 80 percent of the subcontinent.

    200 BC - 320 AD: India's "dark ages" from the point of view of rulers and politics; a golden age for art, literature, and commerce (for example, 1st century AD is a period of active sea trade with Roman Empire, with fleets sailing annually from the Red Sea)

    320 AD: Chndra-Gupta I founds the Gupta dynasty, which is eventually to rule about 60 percent of the subcontinent.

    400 AD: Fa Hsien travels from China to India and reports a paradise of Buddhist monasteries and monuments

    500-527 AD: Huns raid Northern India and destroy Buddhist temples and monasteries

    circa 600 AD: Indian influence spreading to Southeast Asia and Indonesia, notably in present-day Vietnam and Cambodia

    1192: Muhammad of Ghor defeats combined rajput forces at Tarain, the most decisive battle in the history of India

    circa 1290: Marco Polo arrives on the southern coasts of India, on his way back from China: "Men and women, they are all black, and go naked, all save a fine cloth worn about the middle. ... [The Hindu south Indians] look not on any sin of hte flesh as a sin."

    1296-1312: Muslim invasions from Delhi to the kingdoms of South India

    1398: Islamicized Mongols sweep in from Persia and sack Delhi, killing or enslaving all Hindu inhabitants

    1525: Babur (Zahir-ud-din Muhammad) conquers Delhi and Agra, inaugurating the Mughal (from "Mongol") empire

    1571: Akbar, grandson of Babur, begins construction of Fatehpur Sikri, a new capital just west of Agra
    early 1600s: struggle for succession among Akbar's son Salim (Jahangir) and Salim's son Khusrau, Akbar's grandson. Khusrau is captured and blinded on his father's instructions. Jahangir takes power.

    1631: Shah Jahan, Jahangir's son, loses beloved wife Mumtaz Mahal. Begins to construct Taj Mahal, completed in 1643, in her honor.

    1639-48: Shah Jahan builds new city at Delhi, including the Red Fort; city was known at the time as "Shahjahanabad" and today is "Old Delhi"

    1658: Aurangzeb imprisons his ill father, Shah Jahan, murders his brothers and assumes power. Aurangzeb ceases Shah Jahan's ambitious building program, revives active persecution of Hindus, and dismisses dancers, musicians, and artists.

    1707: Aurangzeb dies, aged 90, and is buried in the simplest of Mughal tombs.

    1790-2: Third Mysore War expands British influence.

    1804: Richard Wellesley, Earl of Mornington, completes massive British territorial acquisitions in Fourth Mysore War and Second Maratha War.

    1839: British-led "Army of the Indus" marches into Afghanistan and is horribly defeated.

    1858: Lakshmi Bai, the great female Indian military leader, falls to British bullets in Gwalior , thus ending the Great Rebellion (against British rule)

    1885: first Indian National Congress founded by Scotsman Allan Octavian Hume

    1905: Japan's victory over Russia in Russo-Japanese War convinces Indians that defeating a big European power is possible

    1914-1918: Two million Indians serve in World War I on behalf of the British; Mohandas Gandhi returns to India from Africa

    April 13, 1919: Following some Indian-British tensions in Panjab, General Reginald Dyer brings his troops to a square in Amritsar on a feast day and orders them to fire into the unarmed and peaceful crowd. Hundreds are killed and more than 1000 wounded. Dyer was never disciplined for his conduct. In fact, in England, the Morning Post newspaper raised a subscription on his behalf and presented him with £26,000 (something like 500,000 in 2001 dollars) and a gilt sword as "Defender of the Empire".

    April 6, 1930: Gandhi begins civil disobedience movement against the salt tax, which had been in place since Mughal times

    1943: famine in Bengal kills millions

    August 17, 1947: border partitioning India and Pakistan is publicly announced, inducing a flood of refugee traffic and violence.

    January 30, 1948: Mahatma Gandhi assassinated by Nathuran Godse, a Hindu militant angry at the ideas of eliminating the caste system and accomodation with the Muslims.

    1950: Chinese invasion of Tibet ignored by India in spire of a treaty guaranteeing Tibetan autonomy.

    1961: India annexes Goa, a Portugese possession

    1971: East Pakistan secedes and becomes Bangladesh; the Bengalis get support in the ensuing civil war from the Indian Army.

    1974: India tests nuclear "device"

    June 1984: Indian army storms Golden Temple in Amritsar; four months later prime minister Indira Gandhi is assassinated by two of her Sikh bodyguards. Hindu mobs murder Sikhs in Delhi.

    1991: Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi killed by a Tamil bomb.

    1998: India tests nuclear bomb and missile delivery system

    http://www.victorianweb.org/history/.../timeline.html

    http://photo.net/travel/india/timeline

    http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/timeline/timeline.htm
    What is Mind?

    Mind is the cerebral [intellectual] and functional description of the brain.

    Evolution has formed the brain [mind] for adaptation to changing environment and to withstand challenging demands of time. The brains that fail to adapt, are doomed for extinction.

    What is the root of the world's current problems?

    It was/is the dismal imbalance in the distribution of the World Power resulting from the detrimental disparity in the Spread of Intellectual Abilities (SIA) across the world what was/is the root cause of the world’s problems and not intelligence, reason, logic, thinking, science, technology, mental work etc in themselves.

    It is this imbalance and disparity in the Spread of Intellectual Abilities (SIA) across the world that goes in degrading or devaluing intelligence and knowledge; otherwise, mankind has never stopped worshiping intelligence and knowledge.

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    Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

    Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


    "Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

    These are figures of "Ecocide".
    These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".



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    Indian History & Culture:

    Indian minds were and are already at the bottom of the World Ranking - Knowledge for development (K4D).

    Hence, True Indians shouldn’t do anything mentally but heedlessly watch even further destruction of their minds.


    • Knowledge Economy Index (KEI) and Knowledge Index (KI) - KAM 2007

    • Rank | Country | KEI | KI | EIR | Innovation | Education | ICT |

      1 | Sweden | 9.26 | 9.49 | 8.59 | 9.72 | 8.98 | 9.76 |
      9 | United Kingdom | 8.80 | 8.88 | 8.54 | 9.21 | 8.50 | 8.93 |
      10 | United States | 8.80 | 8.91 | 8.45 | 9.44 | 8.35 | 8.95 |

      19 | Taiwan, China | 8.37 | 8.35 | 8.42 | 9.10 | 6.96 | 9.00 |
      20 | France | 8.36 | 8.48 | 8.02 | 8.59 | 8.52 | 8.31 |
      21 | Hong Kong, China | 8.19 | 7.76 | 9.50 | 8.64 | 5.44 | 9.20 |
      49 | United Arab Emirates | 5.78 | 5.62 | 6.25 | 6.56 | 3.33 | 6.97 |
      65 | Jamaica | 5.04 | 5.39 | 4.00 | 5.36 | 4.22 | 6.59 |
      75 | China | 4.42 | 4.46 | 4.27 | 5.09 | 4.09 | 4.21 |

      81 | Sri Lanka | 4.03 | 3.73 | 4.93 | 4.30 | 4.60 | 2.29 |
      101 | India | 3.00 | 2.84 | 3.49 | 3.93 | 2.22 | 2.37 |
      114 | Pakistan | 1.89 | 1.93 | 1.75 | 2.76 | 1.09 | 1.94 |
      137 | Sierra Leone | 0.62 | 0.55 | 0.84 | 0.87 | 0.56 | 0.21 |


      World Average | 5.93 | 6.20 | 5.11 | 8.00 | 4.21 | 6.38 |

    http://info.worldbank.org/etools/kam...ghted=Y&cid1=s

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    In the context of "environmental crisis", "technology" and "consumerism" I would like to present an analogy.


    A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.

    Some people are trying to save the victim.

    The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack – you prevent the attack.

    What these insane people do - they allow the attack to be continued. They don’t stop it -- they don’t prevent it.

    Instead, what they do - They say we are going to save the victim by using technology - the best technology - the best medical care.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.


    They give the victim the best technology - the best medical care.

    In the meantime the stabbing continues – every hour – even while the best medical care is being given.

    One can imagine the fate of the victim.



    Ecosystems are getting destroyed due to production of consumer goods.

    Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

    Industrial society is destroying necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

    The sane way of saving ecosystems is - you stop production of consumer goods - you reduce production of consumer goods to the minimum level.

    But the insane Industrial Society continues producing consumer goods [ in fact production is being increased every day]

    The insane response of Industrial Society is - We will save the environment with technology - the best technology.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

    Bring this technology - Bring that technology.


    In the meantime production of consumer goods continues - 3 billion people living in cities are continuously engaged in - making , buying and selling of consumer goods - killing the ecosystems moment by moment.

    One can imagine the fate of environment.


    Height of Insanity.......Height of Abnormality.

    Destroy Industrial Society.....before it is too late.
    Destroy consumerism..... before it is too late.



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    For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

    But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

    Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

    Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

    One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

    So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

    So when are we moving to a new home ?

    Next year - or 5 years later ?



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    Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

    "Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

    These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
    Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

    You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
    You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.



    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

    Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.



    We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

    If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things the ecosystems will last longer.

    If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

    The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

    This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.




    We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

    Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

    The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

    Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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