Reservation system

[Shakthiprabha.]

What is ur view on new reservation system.

Is it not getting on to nerves?
I would say entirely reservation based on caste is to be removed. wHAT EVER H APPENED TO merit and ppl who deserve get what they want.

If india is gonna show attitudes like these even in professional institutions, WHERE WOULD we eradicate caste system?

What exactly is happening in the name of caste eradication and in the name of IMPROVING india?

Very soon most merit scholars would find their way out of india.

[Aravind_06]

Certainly, Iam not in support of Reservation. But, following are my thoughts related to it.

I feel that children who are brought up submissively and in a suppressed manner, after grown up does not have the courage to face the life. They tend to be shy in the society, maintain a very low profile, does not show up their talents like that. This is applicable to both upper and lower caste community. Unfortunately, this is more prevalent with lower sect, thanks to our very old caste system. This is definitely going to change soon, as presently, all children are being brought up in a same manner.

If the children are brought up with courage, fearless attitude, I think Reservations are unnecessary. Instead, the government should take care of the weaker sections in other aspects like providing them the security, Money, Scholarships and encouragement etc.

In any educational system / class, there are going to be different rank holders and whatever we provide them, we cannot make a last rank holder to a first rank holder. Then, why reservations??
At the same time we should understand that the last rank holder also has a right to live and should be given a chance to prove his skills in other areas, for which the government should do something. The last rank holders should not be treated like losers in the society, as they are born like that & its not their mistake for their non-performance.

[Sandeep]

I am in support for reservation system that takes into consideration financial possition.

[rami]

Hi all.......

Are you aware of the latest proposal of HR Dept (Govt of
India).........they are planning to increase the quota of reserved
seats
by 27%......which will make the reserved seats to 49.x%........leaving
barely 50% seats to be filled on the basis of merit.

Are you ready to face the fact that - Our half of our nation will be
nurtured not on the basis of merit but some other considerations.

If you want to raise your voice against it, then please sign an online
petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/No_Quota/petition.html

[Shakthiprabha.]

Sandeep,

U spoke my mind

that idea has been there............... for more than 10 years now

Why no posts at all?

There were 4 votes in support of reservation.

WHY DONT U ALL COME OUT IN OPEN AND TELL, why we need reservation?

[P_R]

We are still far from being able to do without reservation.I support the reservation policy as well as the size of reservation. The caste basis is not without logic. Financial considerations can be additional. But, there needs to be a change in the modalities so that the proper target group is benefited.

For instance, if a candidate makes use of reserved seats to secure admission, thenceforth he and his descendents should be ineligible for reservation. This will help the right people garner the benefits of reservation.

[r_kk]

Reservation policies have not reached fully to the proper, really needy people in the last 59 years. This itself shows that there is something wrong with policies. First of all, good basic education itself remain unachievable fruit for most of the supressed and tribal people. Only the creamy layer of so-called suppressed people utilize the whole benift of reservation policies.
If our Governments can ensure the following, then reservation policy can be removed just after 10 years.
1. Same Education pattern throughout India.
2. All the schools in India shall be of same standards in quality of teachers and facilities.
3. Good quality of Boarding and adequate health care for all kids from poor families.

Reservation policy is just like a stick for a person with broken leg. Unfortunately the stick is used by even healthy people (reservation in post graduation, promotions etc ) for different purpose. We have to provide the stick to the really sufferring people till they walk on their own. Reservation policies for other segment (so called backwards and those who proud about their caste and those who practice untouchabilty) is really a waste and only divide the society and maintain the dangerous caste system.

[r_o_j_a]

firstly I am not indian citizen but other countries also practice "indirect" reservation.

for example currently in the UK .. due to new countries joining the so called EU, south asian doctors are put behind in the list to encourage european docs to enter the national health service... this is not equal oppurtunity in the uk!

coming back to the point , i feel that it is not fair to give oppurtunities based on merit/reservations..

[dsath]

The existing reservation system is plainly vote bank politics.
The caste system is a complex matrix and the government has to develop a reservation system that maps to this matrix.
We already have a system functioning well in our Parliament. The number of seats allocated to each state is based on its size, which is fair.
What we need is a system that takes into consideration the population dynamics of a state. This should be overlapped by other rules such as, suggested by Prabhu Ram and economics.
A strong phasing out of the reservation system based on an achievable calendar is a must.
All this should be backed up by a strong education system at the primary level, continuing right upwards.
Last but not least we need a strong visionary leader to implement this.
I think we Indians can only dream about such things with caste/religious politics ruling the day.

[aran]

India had never seen a more sincere; passionate, indefatigable socially conscious person than, (perhaps with the exception of Buddha and Vivekananda) Dr Bhim Rao Ambedkar. His life was a total dedication to getting social and economic justice and equality to whom he called the depressed classes, the same whom Gandhiji called Harijans and whom the Constitution describes as Scheduled Castes (SCs) and Scheduled Tribes (STs). Dr B.R.Ambedkar held that education, self-help and self-respect were the prime instruments of their uplift with organs of state and laws facilitating the use of all these instruments. He even opined that since Sanskrit gave respectability and honor in the Hindu society, it should be learnt by the depressed classes and be made the official language. Neither of these propositions had a chance of acceptance as Jawaharlal Nehru was too fascinated with English and because of personal ambitions, he could not afford to oppose Hindi as the official language.

Dr B.R. Ambedkar, the intellectual light and hope of the depressed classes, wrote into the Constitution of India, reservations in government jobs, for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes only for a period of 10 years i.e., until 1960. In his opinion, reservations could not be the food but only a medicine for overcoming the illness that Hindu society caused among sections of its own people. The deprivation to some other Hindus, occasioned by reservations for the less ‘meritorious’ is prayashchita (atonement) for the wrongs caused in the past. It is justified ethically, morally and rationally.

The 10-year-period has been getting repeatedly and easily extended in Parliament. Interestingly and intriguingly, those who have been privately opposed to this indefinite extension have resorted to advocacy of another cause— backwardness. Caste after caste among Hindus is asserting that it is backward, more backward, most backward and so utterly backward that its people should be included in the Scheduled Tribe category. In Andhra Pradesh the JS Putta Swamy Commission was surprised that out of 284 castes in the State, 282 including Brahmins represented that they should be classified as backward. (The Brahmins said that all the talented and forward among them had gone to America; only the backwards among them are left in India and so their demand for classification of Brahmins as backward is valid!) The Kaka Kalekar Commission (on backwards) identified over 3500 castes among Hindus in the 1950s; by the time of Mandal Commission in the 1970s, these castes increased to over 4500! That is, protagonists of reservations for backwards accentuated the difference in the professions to claim, separate caste to that profession to get it classified as more, most and utterly backward. There is, as it were, a race among our people to claim the prize for utter backwardness in the hope of getting separate reservation for the winner. The struggle for classification (Maala, Maadiga) of the SCs in Andhra Pradesh illustrates this race for backwardness. Not on the basis of caste, but on the basis of religion, Muslims are demanding to be classed as backward (Muslims who ruled India for seven centuries and in Telangana till 1948)! Now Christians are agitating to be included in the Scheduled Caste category! It appears that those who can’t get included in the backward, SC and ST category will have to quit India, and go to foreign shores.

With liberalisation and globalisation of not only markets for goods but for services and eventually even labour, employment in government is stagnant or shrinking; state-owned enterprises will dwindle or be decimated due to competition. Reservations for government jobs will therefore benefit the backwards, SCs and STs to a declining degree. Hence they are demanding that reservations be extended to private sector enterprises also. Private sector will include Indian-owned and foreign-owned companies and both will be subjected to global competition. How could private sector companies, their share-holders, people of Indian and foreign origin, accept less meritorious candidates and yet compete with global companies? What obligation do Microsoft, Ford, Lucky Gold Star have towards India to accept reservations for employment? They don’t have any. All private sector companies can, however, be expected to be good corporate citizens and hence contribute to the building up of capacity, talent and competitiveness among all citizens trying sincerely to acquire them. And the creator of all these attributes is education.

Not on the basis of caste, but on the basis of religion, Muslims are demanding to be classed as backward (Muslims who ruled India for seven centuries and in Telangana till 1948)! Now Christians are agitating to be included in the Scheduled Caste category!

But it is eduction that all the parties, leaders and governments have been neglecting for all the years since Independence in 1947. China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Taiwan—all the countries that gained freedom after India have higher literacy rate; Korea has higher university enrollment (per 1000 young in the age-group of 17 to 22 years); China is outstripping India. University education, especially in professions like engineering, management, medicine, helps us to create knowledge, technologies and businesses which in turn give this country a competitive edge and create employment for the educated and the skilled.

Our governments are frighteningly indebted; their budgets are deficit-ridden; they are not able to meet their ruling parties’ commitments to the voting multitudes—free electricity, inexpensive cooking gas, houses, house-sites, revised higher pay to government employees, sewing machines and kit for minorities, bicycles for girl students, Urdu ghars, more welfare hostels, subsidised fertilizers, healthcare, etc. If non-governmental agencies can establish and manage hospitals, libraries, creches, hostels, tutorial colleges, madrasas, seminaries, etc, why cann't they run professional colleges? And if there are no reservations for admissions and appointments to the former, why so in professional colleges?

When the issue of social justice is raised, it is both emotional and rational. The question is who should pay for professional education? Obviously, the beneficiaries have to pay. If the society has to pay by way of taxes, then the beneficiaries must be bound to benefit the society; return to society what it financed by way of service or pay back from their earnings. If those who seek cannot pay for their education, government may create a Professional Education Loan Fund from which low-interest (or nil interest) and long-tenure loans may be given on the condition that whosoever employs or gives loan to such a beneficiary will be liable to ensure the recovery of the loan. Another method can be like the Universal Service Fund to extend telecoms to rural subscribers. All telephone companies are contributing five per cent of the money collected from their subscribers into this fund. The educated employees pay professional tax. The professional tax every employee pays may be put in the Professional Education Loans Fund. Companies may be encouraged to contribute to this Fund by making such contributions tax-exempt.

All seats in government funded professional colleges and universities may be 100 percent reserved for Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and backward castes (Muslims and Christians also if they are to be specially cared for their votes and their global affiliates). Every caste among Hindus may also be declared a minority (In fact Muslims outnumber Hindus of every caste; very soon Christians will also out number every Hindu caste, while Hindus don’t en block, almost all Muslims and now-a-days, Christians also vote en block (under fatwa or mullah, maulana, hafiz, imam’s guidance and the Church respectively) and most among the Hindu castes may be declared backward, (as self-apprised) and allowed the privilege under Articles 29 and 30 of the Constitution to found and manage educational institutions of their choice. Today minorities that are Muslims and Christians are starting professional colleges without limit. With seat capacities in excess of the candidates qualifying for entrance and even unrelated to the literacy among them and their proportion to the total population, they are selling the excess seats to Hindus, making the latter pay for the prosperity of the minorities and for the propagation of their religion. This is unjust and a terrible infliction on Hindus; a kind of jazia.

Education is recognised as a tradable service under the WTO agreements. Foreign universities would be setting up colleges in our country. Would we require them to give reservations in the colleges they establish? And would that be upheld by the WTO bodies.

Those who have been privately opposed to this indefinite extension have resorted to advocacy of another cause—backwardness. Caste after caste among Hindus is asserting that it is backward, more backward, most backward and so utterly backward that its people should be included in the Scheduled Tribe category.

The doing away of separate electorates for Muslims (the most powerful cause for creation of Pakistan and communalisation of Muslims) and the directive principle of common civil code for all citizens in our Constitution were to bind our people into one nation but reservations based upon religion and caste (except in the case of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes) are divisive and disintegrative in the long run. Even for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, a scheme should be devised so that the benefit of reservation s is inherited by generation after generation creating a new caste of government Brahmins; the grand-children and their next generations of children of parents who once benefited by reservations must be taken off the list, so that the vast majority of Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and backward castes who have not yet benefited from reservations (due to lack of education) get a chance to move up the economic and cultural scale.

Finally, the morality or double standards of the politicians are quite evident. How many of these leaders are sending their children to government schools or to mother tongue medium schools? How many persons belonging to the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and backward castes are made president of parties, members of their executives and polituro and chief ministers?