MAABHARATHAM - A NEW DIMENSION

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Dear Friends,

There are enough literature and archeological evidences to prove that “Maabharatham” story happened in South India.The purpose of this topic is to prove this truth.

There are no single archeology / linguistic evidances that it happened in north India. The places / people mentioned in Viyasar’s “Mahabharatha” are alienated to North India.

It must be borne in mind that Vedhas were collected and written by Vedha Viyasar by 100 CE and Mahabharatha was also written by him later. Viyasar is a Dravidian, might be from Vaduka Karnataka. He organized Vedhas keeping Tamil’s organized structure of Aram, Porul, Inbam & Veedu (Naanmarai).(1)

Third Sankam timeline is (800 BCE to 200 CE). Perunthevanar a third sankam poet has written “Kadavul Vaazhththu” for Nattrinai,Kurunthokai,Inkurunooru, Akanaanooru & Puranaanooru and was called “Bharatham padiya Perunthevanaar”. This shows that He might have written “Maabharatham” story around 200 BCE, but it is not available now : Might be burned by foolish guys in “Bohi”. If U.Ve. Swaminathan Iyer is not there it is doubtful that present sankam might have also burned

Perunthevanar’s “Maabharatham” might have copied with much imaginative stories and additions by Viyasar and written in Sanskrit. Let us see how this happened.

Scholars like Mu. Ragav Iyengar always equate Pandavar with Pandiyar. Sinkala Mahavamsam calls Vikrama Pandiyan as Vikrama Pandu.(2). Sinkala king Parakrama Pahu after winning Pandiyars had tittle as “Pandu Vijayam (3).

The root of Pandiyan is Pandu (old) – Galduwell (4)

Pal-Pandu-Pandi-Paandil means –eruthu-Kaalai (bull)
Pandi-Paandiyan – Kaalaiyan, vayavan, Veeran - Paavaanar (5)

Pandiyar were classified as five groups. i.e. Pandiyar,Kavuriyar,Maarar,Vazhuthiyar, & Cheziyar. Pandiyar were also called Panchavar. (6)

“ Ilayathu Aayinum Kilaiyara Eriyum
Arunarai Urumin Porumaraip Porach
Cherumaan PANCHAVAR Neeyae” –

“Panivil Urarchirappin PANCHAVAN kadal
Pazhiyodu Padarap PANCHAVA” --

“Meen Kodi padum PANCHAVANTHAAN Padal”

Just like Appalam turned Pappadam in Malayalam, Einthu-Anchu-Panchu – Panchavar
- Paavaanar (7)

Kavvu+Uriyar= Kavuriyar means ‘Thazhuvutharku Uriyavar- persons who are fittable to fight.

“Velpork KAVURIYAR nannaattu” (Akananooru)

“Thavira Eekaik KAVURIYAR maruka” (Puranaanooru)

“venverk KAVURIYAR Thol muthu kudi”

From above we can see Pandiyar & Kavuriyar are Pandavar & Gauravar.

Viyasar Bharatham says that Arjuna lived one year and one month in forest, reached the place of ‘Naaka Kannikai’ and Pandiyan’s daughter and lived with them.(8)

‘Maruthan’ was sanskritized as Arjuna(9)

The capital of Pandiyan (sometime)was Manavur / Manaloor was sanskritized as “Sikkaathapuri”(10)

Arjuna’s Uncle was Pandiyan. Pandiyar’s ‘Thinkal kulam’ matches with Pandavar’s Chandra kulam.(11)

In Valmiki Ramayan Chola’s were indendified as Suriya kulam.(12)

The above were based on the message given in Purananooru stating UHIYAN CHERALAATHAN who gave food to pandavars & Kauravars. The meaning of the poem was explained by our hubber Mr. Ramraghav sometime ago in “Mahabharatha” thread.

“Alangulai Puravi EIVARODU chinaie
Nilanthalai konda Polampoon Thumpai
ERAIM PATHINMARUM Poruthu kalatha Ozhiyap
Peruncotru Mukupathm Varayathu Koduthoe” (13)

Here ‘Eiverodu’ means five persons. ‘Eraimpathinmar’-100 persons.

The same messages has been registered in Silappathikaram as

“OR IEVAR EERAIM PATHINMAR Udantrezhuntha
Poril Perunchoru Potrathu Thanalitha
CHERAN PORAIYAN MALAYAN” (14)

During 230 BCE Simukan(sivamukan) Created ‘Sathavakanan’ Empire. (15). Historien Buler conforms this by Nasik inscriptions created by Second Kannaran of Sathavakanan
Empire. (207 BCE – 189 BCE) (16)

Kannan(tamil), Kannaran(Vaduka Kannandam), Krishnan(Sanskrit)
Kannaran’s Brother – in – law was Srisathakarni(17) He was called ‘Thakkan Perunko’(18). Krishna’s brother – in – law is Thuriyothan in the same way.

Tamil “Nootruvar Kannar” is Prakrit / Sanskrit Sathakarni.

Hence Vaduka kannaran (Krishna) turned against his brother – in – law and joined hands with Pandiyars.

Krisha is a yadava. Sathakarni also is a yadava.

This is further conformed by tamil third sankam literature. Idayar / Kurumbars / andars were specified as rulers of ‘mullai’ land and they gave disturbances to tamil kingdoms and one of such event was curbed by Chera Perncheral Irumporai.(19).

Then, Andars became battlers of Mauriars (Koolip padai) and when Maurians came down they created Sathavahana dynasty. Andar Padai turned anda patha- Anthrapada-present Anthra.

Naarathan was called “Moovulaku Moolavi”(Thiriloka Chanchari) based on Chera,Chola & Pandiya land (20)

Let us see the place of “Mabharatha” battle happened.

PERUCHERAL UTHIYAN gave food to Pandiyars & Sathkarni during battle.

The same Uthiyan is refered in ‘Akananooru’ written by Kotambalaththu thunchiya Cheraman as,

“Pallan Kuntril Padunizhal Cherntha
Nallan Parapin KUZHUMOOR Angan
Kodaikadan Entra Koda Nenchin
UTHIYAN attil pola oliyelzhuththu”

Here, the place of battle is given as Kuzhumoor and this Kuzhumoor is present Koyambattur – P.T.Srinivasa Iyengar.(21)

From the above we come to conclusion that “Maabharatham” happened between Vadukus and Tamils of same race and this timeline is 250 BCE. This historical event with imaginative stories & additions written in Sanskrit by Vedha Viyasar after nearly four centuries (100 CE).

Most of the Sanskrit literature were adapted from Tamil and were written by persons of South India. Different fields of knowledge of tamils like medicine,Sankiya,Yoha,music,Temple Architecture & mathematics were adapted in Sanskrit. I may write about them in relevant threads.

This shows knowledge and traditions were driven from south to North and not North to South.

References :

(1)Ayothithaasan Sinthanikal – Page 55,Ayothithaasar

(2),(3)Thennattu Porkalankal – Page 228,Ka.Appaththuraiyar

(4),(7) Sankakala Chirapu peryarkal- page 212, Dr.Mo.A. Thurai Arankasamy

(5) Vadamozhi Varalaaru –Page 203 Kna. Theva Neyan (Paavanar)

(6) Puranaanooru-58, Paripaadal -2, Silapapathikaaram 20

(8),(9),(10),(11),(12) Tamilar Varalaru – page 200 – Theva Neya Paavanar

(13) Puranaanooru -2

(14) Silapathikaaram -29

(15),(16),(18) A History of South India – page 93 – K.A. Neelakanda Sastri

(17)Pre historic Ancient and Hindu India-page117- R.D.Banerji

(19)Pathittrup paththu -71

(20)Tamilar Varalaru –Kna.Theva Neyan

(21)History of Tamils –page 493 , P.T.Srinivasa Iyengar.


f.s.gandhi

[Lambretta]

There are enough literature and archeological evidences to prove that “Maabharatham” story happened in South India.The purpose of this topic is to prove this truth.
There are no single archeology / linguistic evidances that it happened in north India. The places / people mentioned in Viyasar’s “Mahabharatha” are alienated to North India.

FSG,
Wat abt the supposed existance of the ruins of the city Indraprastha near Delhi?? And isn't Kurukshetra in the north too?

[indian224080]

FSG,
Did not u a few days back passed a slanderous remark against Pandavas saying that Polyandry is very common in North India(a Hindi culture) and Stopping Short of Calling Draupadi a illegitimate wife. Now in this thread u r claiming everyone as South Indians and calling all as Tamils!
Are u sure u wanna go with this?
You are inciting hatred and malice in the minds of other peple. And remember one thing in a public forum like this each and every guy remains an ambassador of his state. U r creating illwill among the minds of Non-Tamilians about Tamilians. That is all i have to say.

[viggop]

Panchali was from Panchala Desam which is attributed to Punjab
Gandhari was from Gandhar which is attributed to afghanistan
Anga desam for which Karna was made king is supposed to be Bengal
Mathura is in Uttar Pradesh and Krishna later moved to Dwaraka in Gujarat.I think brindavan is also in Gujarat
Hastinapura and Indraprastha is supposed to be in Delhi
References to Ganges certainly means that the story was situated in N.India

[viggop]

Also, Krishna is avathar of Vishnu and mahabharatham took place in Dwapara Yugam.That is a long long time ago chronologically.

[indian224080]

Well Said Viggop.
People right from EVR to today's Politicians have been stirring just this kind of information to mislead,malign and trouble the masses by inciting malice,hate,prejudice among the different sections of society. I am not sure about the nationality of the Original Poster but his acts does seem to remind me of the same set of people who did the same.

[Lambretta]

Gandhari was from Gandhar which is attributed to afghanistan

Yes, present-day Kandahar to be precise.
Also her brother, Shakuni, was also known as Gandhar Naresh (King of Gandhar).

[Sandeep]

This is highly insulting.

[Lambretta]

This is highly insulting.

Oh well, true but we've got to put up w/ it all; tats wat life is all abt.....!

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

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