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7th April 2006, 05:41 PM
#11
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So what really are we supposed to be giving up, all or part?
The whole exercise is to realize that our real nature is the consciousness, that is the power behind, the awareness, intellect, mind and the body. We have been doing actions and thinking thoughts without knowing the reality.
So giving up this desires, or not doing any actions are really meant to know the reality behind everything.
While watching a TV serial, only when the power |(electricity) goes off , we understand that electricty is the one that powers the working of the television.
Similarly we are asborbed in the continous show of the body, mind intellect, without understanding the real nature of us "The Consciousness". The thought that we are this body, mind intellect and not the consciousness is called Ahamkara or Ego.
The inability to differentiate this reality is called "Maya".
The driving force needed to know the reality is "Vairagya".
So there isnothing to give up, other than the Ego. Even if one goes tothe forest and still thinks he is the body, mind and theintellect and not the consciousness, thereis nopurpose.
But still living in a family life and understanding the reality, is real sanyasa.
This is why most of our rishi's were family people but were living with this sanayasi attitude.
Because the Ego expects the fruit of actions, to curb it, we practice giving up the fruit of actions.
It is the "Ego" that says "I" desire and I am the power behind the actions and so to curb it, we are tld not to desire and stop doing actions.
It is like combined or group study or to study alone. So some people live in a family and practice, while others goalone. But what matters is only the knowledge (Gnana).
Everything becomes clear when we understand the final destination of the purpose of doing all this.
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7th April 2006 05:41 PM
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8th April 2006, 07:27 PM
#12
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Thanks for this enlightenment Pradeep. Very much appreciated.
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8th April 2006, 10:05 PM
#13
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Hi Pradheep it has been a long time buddy.
you are saying that the real you is the consciousness, failure of it to see the real itself is because of the viel of maya, once the real 'You' wipes away the mayic veil it sees itself. Self realization, to me it just looks like transfer of identity from one to another, how does it matter if you call table as 'a piece of wood' or 'table' or 'dead tree' or what ever, what happens next ?
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8th April 2006, 10:15 PM
#14
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Dear Mahadevan,
An Example....
When an actor acts like a beggar he does not lose his identity. Whole problem happens when he thinks his real identity is the beggar. He will suffer in that wrong identity and cause a whole mess around himself. Now when he self realizes his identity as an actor, it might look just an indentity transfer, but what a relief to be in one own true nature. This is exactly in Self relaization case too. Hope you get it.
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