Large-Hearted INDIAN-HERITAGE .....Exemplary for MANKIND

[Raghu]

Yes that's right! Let's discuss about vast RICH culture of the WAR MORONS American Revolution and Vi-Kings of England and their Rich POTATO Culture, of course That is Far MORE INTERESTING wouldn't you say SAY??

That will would broaden the Topic.

[Idiappam]

No, Raghu! The Vedic Culture is very very very rich! We should discuss that here! Bring it to the world to enjoy!

Shall I start??

[EdenWoods]

The intended purpose of the introducer of this thread is now being served.
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The kindred Vedic souls with their narrow views have jumped into the fray...Why are they not like us normal people?
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War Morons/Nazis?

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eh? Ha.. that seems to be an appropriate discription for those who peddle the narrow vision themselves, but slap the terms on others..
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I would rather prefer Idiappam (why the nick?) because what he says is at least not hate-filled.

[pradheep]

Dear Idiappam

If you literally take any scripture it will make no sense , only NON-SENSE.

Many years back I read a siddhar song (i cant recollect..if Iget the source..I will post). The siddhar song is about the prescription of a herbal medicine for diabetes. The song if literally taken would means that go to madurai azhagar malai and have sex three times a day, squeezing her middle in the morning more with to and fro actions....holding the fleshmore in the mouth...when it is is warm enough....(ooops.... censured...) .....with the lady with violet flowers on her head.

The intended meaning is to collect the violet flower bearing herb found in the azhagar hills and to use it three times a day by squeezing the different parts of the plant at different times of the day and boil it for specificied period of time and while warm hold it into the mouth before gulping.... as a medicine for diabetes.

Now if one does not have any idea about the intention of the siddhar song, then he or she will understand (interpret) it as a porno-literature and would declare the siddhar is a sex-swamiyar.

Without understanding the purpose, if one read the song, then the words like "squeezing" ,"middle" region, "boil", "heat" "sizzle" "to and fro" would give the person "ERRECTION" resulting in testical secretion instead of helping his pancreas to secrete insulin.

This is the sad state of people who read vedas too. Any way to help you think a little..I am quoating a few intended meaning of words used in vedas. If not any one can understand vedas as a recipe for "hot dogs" or "Hot-Horse".


go: Cow; each go stands for a particular type of Light or Knowledge.

ashva: Horse; stands for the vital energy which the devās can bestow.


adri: Hill; the force or beings of inconscience and ignorance.


āpah: Water; the divine energies flowing from the heights purifying all mankind.


nadi: River; the flowing current of energies.

[viggop]

Pradheep
I have seen this same style of writing in saint Arunagirinathar's works.it'll look as if the saint always talks of sex etc but they have deep philosophical meanings too.In those literature was supposed to be made up of different emotions and kama was also one among them. Hence you can see any ancient Hindu devotional works(Sanskrit/Tamil) having these things in it.
There is nothing to be ashamed of this literature.

[pradheep]

Dear Viggop
You are right whether it is sanskrit or dravidan literature symbolism is the art of expression and there is a joy in the discovery. I am not ashamed of sex (but porno) because the very sexual act is through which I have been born in this world. Sex is divine because it is the karma (act) of creation. During sex, if one is aware of the "Self", the very act becomes the stepping stone to the non-dualistic (advaita) state: the act, the action and the actor dissolves into one state of bliss.

I have experimented this fact that during sex, if I am too focussed on "my" body, "my" pleasure (duality), then the act is not complete neither to myself nor to my wife (pre-mature culmination).

But when I am aware of the fact that I am the witnssor, the witness and the witnessed, then the whole experience is under control (extendable to the time we desire) and the whole act is complete and both of us sink in bliss.

This is the essence of Kamasutra (Kama-shastra) that vyatsyanana gave us. This is why in Indian tradition SEX is divine. at the same time for religious reasons celibacy is to be practiced. Celebacy is asked to be observed when one is focussed only as being a mere body doing a physical act. When one is tuned with the "Self:" then there is no need for celibacy, infact sex becomes divine.

This is why all indian temples have the divine act of sex carved in the temple premises to remind us that it is a wonderful ,means to the "Self". This is also the foundation of Tantric Sex.

[Idiappam]

Sigh, Now two Senior Vedics Sir Viggops and Sir Pradeep has started a smear campaign on Siddhars and Arunagirinathar!

Yah, they have read 'some Siddhar Songs' and some 'Arunagirinathar Songs'. Sexy Sexy Sexy!

But, they have cleverly forgotten those Tamil songs, they read a long time ago. Forgive them!

[viggop]

Dear Idiappam Sir
You are mistaking the intention of my post.What I meant to say was that "kama" is an essential part of our literature.Even Thirukural has kamathaupal in it.I have read Abirami bhattar's "Abirami Andhadhi",Andal's "Nachiyar thirumozhi" etc.These works have "kama" in them but they are holy to me and they are sung in temples.I'm not ashamed of the "kama" content in them.

Kalidasar "Kumara Sambhava",valmiki's ramayana have lot of "kama" content in them.but,i'll not reject those books and will not reject my heritage.Lot of houses in N.india read "ramayana" daily.I have read adi sankara's soundarya lahari and other sanskrit slokas of his.they do describe various organs of Godesses but still they are considered as slokas.
what you consider as "sankritic filth/Tamil filth" is not considered as "filth" by me at all!!!

Those are the works written by our ancestor and nothing there to be ashamed of them.

[Idiappam]

Sir Viggop,

What did Abirami Bhattar and Andal mean when they used the word 'kama'?? What did Valluvar use it for?

Does it include 'seduction of the neighbours wife' as prescribed in the Kamasutra?? Or are there some 'deeeeep, deeeeeep' philosophies associated with 'seducing thy neighbours wife'?

How much deeper should we go for maximum contentment as far as Kamasutra is concerned?

[pradheep]

Dear Idiappam
Give me time I will get the siddhar songs. If you go to thanjavur and thirvanthapuram oali chuvadi collection, majority of them are decoded but they cant interpret the meaning of it.

I have highlighted how we can miss interpret the literature based on our prejudice. Since you do not want to accept them, you are calling the moderators.

I see no difference between sanskrit and tamil literaure. both talk of the same truth. if our minds are prejudiced then we can fight a war like others. But I am not interested in fighting. I am interested in debates (darga) to understand but I am not for vidanta-vada. Some are here only for vidanta-vada.

based on the example for the food eating habits I wrote how our personlaities differ and become the basis for satvic, rajasic and tamasic behaviour. Point what is wrong in these interpretations and I am ready to accept and correct myself. if you are also ready for such moves, then we can discuss these aspects.

Truth always burns and purifies and that is why as a symbol of fire we have saffron color in our tradition.