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Topic started by K.Sudhakar(Srimangai) (@ sngiapat1.net.asiapac.agilent.com) on Mon Apr 5 09:07:18 EDT 2004.


"ÁÉ¢¾ý Á¾í¸¨Çô À¨¼ò¾¡ý.
Á¾í¸û ¦¾öÅí¸¨Çô À¨¼ò¾É.
ÁÉ¢¾Ûõ, Á¾í¸Ùõ, ¦¾öÅÓõ §º÷óÐ
Áɨ¾ò Ðñ¼¡ÊÉ"
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«Îò¾ ¯Â¢÷ôÀ¢üÌ ±ýÉ ¦ºö§Åý?"

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"ÁÉ¢¾¦Éý§È¡÷ Á¢Õ¸õ Å¡ú¸¢ÈÐ. Á¡Û¼õ Á¨Èó¾Ð"

"¸ñ½É¡ö ÅóÐ ¸£¨¾ ¾ó§¾ý"
"¸¡Áõ ¸ü§È¡õ. ¸£¨¾ ¡÷ §¸ð¼¡÷¸û?"

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"«øÄ¡¦ÅýÚ «¨Æì¸ «È¢Â¡¾Å¨Ã «Úò¦¾È¢ó§¾¡õ"

"±ýÉ ¦ºöÂî ¦º¡ø¸¢È¡ö ±ý¨É? ±ý §ÅÇ¡ñ¨Á¢ø Å¢„ Å¢¨Çîºø..."
¸¼×û ¸Å¨Ä¢ø ¨¸¨Âô À¢¨ºó¾¡ý.

"Á¡É¢¼õ ÅÇ÷ôÀ¡ö þ¨ÈŧÉ!
¯ûÇí¸û §¾¡Úõ Á¡Û¼õ Å¢¨¾ôÀ¡ö.
Á¾í¸¨Ç «ÚòÐ , º¡ò¾¡ÛìÌ
ÀĢ¢ðÎ, Á¨Ä§ÂÈî ¦ºöÅ¡ö"

¿ýÈ¢¦º¡øÄ¢ þ¨ÈÅý ¿¸÷ó¾Ðõ,
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º£¼É¡ö ´ÕÅý ¦º¡øĢ즸¡ñÊÕó¾¡ý.
"Å⨺¡¸ Å¡Õí¸û. «¨Á¾¢Â¡¸ ¿¢øÖí¸û.
Å¢ó¨¾ ¸ñË÷¸ÇøÄÅ¡?
°ÐÀò¾¢ôÒ¨¸Ôõ, ÀÆí¸Ùõ Á¡ÂÁ¡ö Á¨È󾨾..?"
º¡Á¢Â¢¼õ «ÕûÅ¡ìÌ §¸ð¸ ¬Â¢Ãõ åÀ¡ö...
þó¾ò ¾ðÊø ¨Åì¸×õ"

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¸‰¼í¸¨Ç ÁÈì¸î ¦ºöÔõ "µôÀ¢Âõ" Á¾õ ±ýÈ¡÷ ´Õ §Á¨¾. ¾¡§É ÅÕõ ¸‰¼í¸û §À¡¸, §ÁÖõ ¸‰¼í¸¨Ç Å¢ÕõÀ¢, ÅĢ ÅÃŨÆìÌõ §À¡ìÌ ÅÇ÷óÐ ¦¸¡ñ§¼ §À¡¨¸Â¢ø º¡Á¢¸Ùõ, º¡Á¢Â¡÷¸Ùõ ÅÇôÀÁ¡¸§Å þÕôÀ¡÷¸û, "µôÀ¢Âò¾¢ø" Áì¸¨Ç ¬Æ «Øò¾¢ì¦¸¡ñÎ!

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«§¼í¸ôÀ¡! ±ò¾¨É ¿¡Ç¡Â¢üÚ þôÀÊ ´Õ ¸Å¢ Å¡º¢òÐ!

¸¼×¨Ç Å¢º¡Ã¨½ìÌ «¨Æì¸¢È ¸õÀ£Ãò¾¢ø - ¦ÀÕí¸Å¢¸§Ç¡Î §À¡ðÊ §À¡Î¸¢È¡÷ ¿õ ;¡¸÷!

¸¼×¨ÇÔõ ´Õ À¡ò¾¢ÃÁ¡¸ ¨ÅòÐ즸¡ñÎ ´Õ À¨¼ô¨Àî ¦ºöÅÐ «ò¾¨É ÍÄÀÁøÄ! ¸ò¾¢ §Áû ¿¼óÐ ¸¡ðÎõ Å¢ò¨¾
¦ºöÐÅ¢ð¼¡÷ ¿õ ¸Å¢»÷!

>> "À¢º¡Í¸û ¦¸¡Î¿¸õ ¦¸¡ñÎØÐ
¸¡Ê À¡ö, ¦ÅÚô¨ÀòàÅ¢
ÅÇ÷ò¾ ¦ÅÇ¢¸Ç¢ø, Ãò¾ôâì¸Ç¢ý
Å¡ºõ Ѹ÷¸¢§Èý.
¿õÀ¢ì¨¸Â¢ý Å¢¨¾¸§Ç¡ ¿¡ºÓüÚì ¸¢¼ì¸¢ýÈÉ.
«Îò¾ ¯Â¢÷ôÀ¢üÌ ±ýÉ ¦ºö§Åý?" >>


±ò¾¨É «Øò¾Á¡É ¦ÅÇ¢ôÀ¡Î! ¦¾¡¼Õõ Åâ¸Ç¢ø '¸¼×û'
Å¢º¡Ã¨½ìÌ ¯ðÀÎò¾ôÀθ¢È¡÷ - ¦º¡øžüÌ «Åâ¼õ º¡ì̸Ùõ «üÚô§À¡ö ¾¨ÄÌÉ¢¸¢È¡÷!

±ò¾¨É ¬ÆÁ¡É ÌȢ£Î!

Ô¸Ô¸¸¡ÄÁ¡¸ ÁÉ¢¾÷¸û ¸ñÎÀ¢Êò¾ ¸¼×û¸û 'ÌòÐì¸øÄ¡ö'
¯ð¸¡÷ó¾¢Õ츢ȡ÷¸û; ÁÉ¢¾õ'¾¡ý ¾¨Ä ÌÉ¢óÐ ¿¢ýÈ¢Õ츢ÈÐ.

"¸ñÏìÌò¦¾Ã¢Â¡¾ ¸¼×û ÍÂõÒș̌ÁýÈ¡ø
¸ñÏìÌò¦¾Ã¢ó¾ À¢ÃÀïºõ ÍÂõÒÅ¡ö §¾¡ýȢ¢Õì¸ì ܼ¡¾¡?"

±ý¦È¡Õ ¸Å¢»ý ¦ÅÊÅ£ÍÅ¡ý.


"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? "

- Epicurus (greek philosopher)

±ý¸¢È ±À¢ÌâÂý º¢ò¾¡ó¾Óõ ¸ÅÉò¾¢üÌ ÅóÐ ¦¾¡¨Ä츢ÈÐ!

¸Å¢¨¾Â¢ø - ¸¼×û ¦ÅÇ¢§ÂÈ¢ÂÀ¢ÈÌ - þó¾ Á¨É¾ÛìÌ Åó¾ ¦¾¡ø¨Ä À¡Õí¸û! º£¼÷¸û ¯ÕÅ¡¸¢ - ¯ñ¨ÁÂ¡É ÁÉ¢¾õ ¿¢¨Èó¾
»¡É¢ìÌ 'º¡Á¢Â¡÷' Àð¼õ ¸ðÊ Å¢â¾¢ ¦¸¡Îì¸ ¬ÃõÀ¢òÐ
Ţθ¢È¡÷¸û!!!

>> ¿ýÈ¢¦º¡øÄ¢ þ¨ÈÅý ¿¸÷ó¾Ðõ,
¯½÷×ôÀʧÂÈ¢, ±ý «¸õ Åó¾§À¡Ð
º£¼É¡ö ´ÕÅý ¦º¡øĢ즸¡ñÊÕó¾¡ý.
"Å⨺¡¸ Å¡Õí¸û. «¨Á¾¢Â¡¸ ¿¢øÖí¸û.
Å¢ó¨¾ ¸ñË÷¸ÇøÄÅ¡?
°ÐÀò¾¢ôÒ¨¸Ôõ, ÀÆí¸Ùõ Á¡ÂÁ¡ö Á¨È󾨾..?"
º¡Á¢Â¢¼õ «ÕûÅ¡ìÌ §¸ð¸ ¬Â¢Ãõ åÀ¡ö...
þó¾ò ¾ðÊø ¨Åì¸×õ >>


þо¡ý - "Á¾í¸û" âÁ¢Â¢ø ¿¢¸úò¾¢Â ´§Ã º¡¾¨É!!!

¸¼×¨Ç ´Õ Å¢üÀ¨Éô¦À¡ÕÇ¡¸×õ, Ѹ÷×ô¦À¡ÕÇ¡¸×õ ¬ì¸¢Âо¡ý Á¾í¸Ç¢ý ¦Àâ 'ÁÉ¢¾ §º¨Å'!!

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Thanks PP. Thanks Geno. I learn a lot from the comments you give on. Yes!! The Epicurean impact was the main challenge I had to grapple with.

To share with you an interesting event... I wrote this poem some ten years ago when there were some religious tensions in Kanyakumari district. I sent this to one of my friend in Thakkalai and when we read it aloud in a gathering, we were almost roughed up by some elements. I have taken out those words from this poem. Will publish soon ( just one para) as they cannot physically assault me now!!!!
As PP said, religion is an Opium and you cannot reason out with addicts.
By the way, atheism is also an opium and you cannot reason out with them too!!!!

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Well said,Srimangai!

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Sudhakar,
You have proved your talents once again! Congrats!!

>> "¸ñ½É¡ö ÅóÐ ¸£¨¾ ¾ó§¾ý"
"¸¡Áõ ¸ü§È¡õ. ¸£¨¾ ¡÷ §¸ð¼¡÷¸û?"

"ÁÉ¢¾À¡Åí¸¨Ç º¢Ö¨Å¢ø ÌÕ¾¢Â¡ø ¸ØÅ¢§Éý"
"º¢Ö¨Å¨Âì ¸ØÅ ÁÉ¢¾÷ ±ò¾¨É Á¨È󧾡÷ ¦¾Ã¢ÔÁ¡?"

"«ý¨Àô §À¡¾¢ì¸ «øÄ¡¦Åý§Èý"
"«øÄ¡¦ÅýÚ «¨Æì¸ «È¢Â¡¾Å¨Ã «Úò¦¾È¢ó§¾¡õ>>


Á¢¸ «Õ¨Á¡¸ þÕ츢ÈÐ þùÅâ¸û!

Please produce the un-censored version!

and finally ..

>> As PP said, religion is an Opium and you cannot reason out with addicts.
By the way, atheism is also an opium and you cannot reason out with them too!!!!>>

EXACTLY!!!!

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>> By the way, atheism is also an opium and you cannot reason out with them too!!!! >>

LOL!

nallAvE thAkkukiReergaL!

¬É¡ø ±ýÉ?!! ´§Ã ´Õ º¢ýÉ Å¢„Âõ þÕìÌ!

ÀÌò¾È¢Å¡Ç÷¸¨Ç - ¸¼×û 'Àì¾÷¸û' ¦¸¡¨Ä ¦ÅÈ¢ò¾¡ì̾ø
¿¼ò¾¢Â ºõÀÅí¸û¾¡ý ¯ñÎ!!

not the vice versa!!

:=))

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Roshan , Geno Thanks for your encouraging words. Geno, I am not against Atheism or atheists- but being an extreme, without having a heart for other's opinion would polarize the worlds. Very few can come out of such a mindset ( from both the sides) and appreciate the good things by others.
I too have an experience of getting roughed -up by the relegious fanatics. But, I have good friends in them too who have explained the Nayanmar and Alwar paadalgaL.
No offence meant - to hurt anyone.

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Just to continue the words which were "provocative" sometime ago, here are the words I had written in the above poem as "§ÅÚ"

" «¨Á¾¢ò à¾Ã¸òÐ «¾¢¸¡Ã¢¸§Ç!
«Õ¦ÅÚ츢§Èý - ±ðÊô§À¡í¸û.
¯õ š¢ø ¾¡õâÄõ Á½ò¾¡Öõ
¯û Å¢üÈ¢ý µí¸¡ÃÁ¡ö À£È¢ðÎÅÕõ ÒÇ¢ò¾ ²ôÀõ
±¾¨É ¦ºÃ¢ì¸¢È£÷¸¦ÇýÚ ¸¡ðÊÅ¢ð¼Ð"

"Á¼í¸û ¾óÐ Á¼¡¾¢À¾¢ ¾óÐ
ͼ¨ÄŨà º¡¾¢Ôõ ¾ó¾ - ¸¼×§Ç,
¯Úòи¢ÈÐ ±ýÁÉÐ, ¯ýÀ¨¼ôÀ¢ø
"¸ÚôҬΠ¿£¾¡§É¡?"¦ÅýÚ.

þôÀÊ ±Ø¾¢Â¾ü¸¡¸, À¢ýÀì¸î ÍŧÃÈ¢ì̾¢òÐ, ¿¡Ûõ ±ý ¿ñÀÛõ ¾ôÀ¢§Â¡Ê§É¡õ!! «ô§À¡Ð þÇõ Ãò¾õ À¡Õí¸û .. Å£ÃÁ¡¸ , §Å¸Á¡¸ µ¼ ÓÊó¾Ð!

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geno,
>>ÀÌò¾È¢Å¡Ç÷¸¨Ç - ¸¼×û 'Àì¾÷¸û' ¦¸¡¨Ä ¦ÅÈ¢ò¾¡ì̾ø
¿¼ò¾¢Â ºõÀÅí¸û¾¡ý ¯ñÎ!!

not the vice versa!! >>

´ôÒ즸¡û¸¢§Èý!! «Ð ÁðÎÁøÄ, «Å÷¸û º¸ 'Àì¾÷¸¨Ç' ¦¸¡¨Ä ¦ÅÈ¢ò¾¡ì̾ø ¿¼ò¾¢Âо¡ý «¾¢¸õ.


Sudhkar,
>>I am not against Atheism or atheists- but being an extreme, without having a heart for other's opinion would polarize the worlds. Very few can come out of such a mindset ( from both the sides) and appreciate the good things by others. >>

It's my opinion as well!!

And that censored part was ¾£ô¦À¡È¢ !! especially the lines;

Á¼í¸û ¾óÐ Á¼¡¾¢À¾¢ ¾óÐ
ͼ¨ÄŨà º¡¾¢Ôõ ¾ó¾ - ¸¼×§Ç,
¯Úòи¢ÈÐ ±ýÁÉÐ, ¯ýÀ¨¼ôÀ¢ø
"¸ÚôҬΠ¿£¾¡§É¡?"¦ÅýÚ.

GREAT!!!