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    Tamil roots of sanskrit words

    Now all historians of world talk about tamil and world history.

    Indians talk about sanskrit. No longer they can talk about that.

    But indian tamil pandits talk about sanskrit derived words of tamil.
    They want to purify tamil,thinking that sanskrit is alien from tamil.

    Sanskrit is evolved from tamil. Sanskrit words roots are in tamil.

    Tamil pandits classify some words having sound like sanskrit as sanskrit words. For example,

    ISHtam,KaSHtam,KuSHtam,NaSHtam,PuSHpam, PaSHpam.

    These words are not in literary sanskrit is apparent truth. Ask any sanskrity pandit.

    Ishtam-Ittam-idu+am- idu means oneway drop,oneway thinking,persons own view.

    Kashtam-kattam-kadu+am, kadu means show restriction,disapproval,angry- like in a square -restricted border,an unrelieved pain

    Nashtam- Nattam-natu- means once you pierce it,it should not be taken out - once you do it you can not get return.

    Kushtam-kuttam-kudu-kuttai- short - when body elements are short kushtam happens.

    Pushpam-putpam-pudu-pidu- take out (Sanskrit word is there)

    Paspam-patpam-padu- near floor- shorten - empty

    Sometimes tamil pandits boastfully tell that all tamil words changed purposefully as sanskrit words.

    Kumbakonam- kudamooku
    Kabisthalam-Kurangaduthurai
    Mayuram-Mayiladuthurai
    Vedharnyam-Maraikadu
    Mirugam-Vilangu

    Right hand words are tamil as according to tamilpandits.

    Kumbakonam-Kumbam+konam- Kumi+am+konam-kuvi+kone-kuvi+ucchi

    Kabistalam- kavi+talam-Kavvi+talam- Kavvi a name of monkey based on its mouth. Note patti for Nai(dog), arima for singam(lion)

    Mayuram- mayur+am, mai+Oori+am- colour pickled(colour mixed) an another name for mayil

    Vedharnyam-vedham+aranyam-veithal+am+aranyam- 'Koorai veithal-kuraiyal maraithal, araniyam-aran- border or kadu was border in olden days.

    mirugam- miru+kam- miru-miratchi-payam+angry feeling.

    Some tamil words slightly turned and sound like sanskrit. They are not sanskrit words. But tamil pandits say these are sanskrit words.

    Pati-pti-Prathi

    Payanam-pyanam-prayanam

    Agathuman-Aathuman- Athma

    Vinnavam-vainavam-vaishnavam

    Karkannan-karukannan-kruknan-krushnan

    Paraman-piraman-Prahmman

    Paramanar- piramanar-Brahminar

    I am not criticising tamil pandits. But they have to understand the nature and rationality in the dialects and do best their search in language.

    (will be continued)

    f.s.gandhi
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    sanskrit - tamil myth

    Some words of tamil day today use are found in sanskrit. When these words are seen, tamil pandits get inferiority complex and instead of finding out that root they term this as sanskrit derived words.

    Thulaparam-thulai+param= weigh balance+weight

    Darshan- theriyanam-therisanam -darshan

    kaariyam- karumam-karmam-kariyam-kaariyam

    pasu- pas in sanskrit means rope. All think cow is controlled through pas so pasu. But pas is from pai-pasai-pasu a tamil root.Pai is the root for pachai and pal(milk)

    Shakshi- satchi(santru)- satshat is very often used in stories written by sanskrit influenced writers

    Visumbu- visuvam

    palam- valam

    dayai- thalarvu-thayavu

    prachanai-problem- prazhchanai

    Sigichai- Sikizhchai- Tamils pandits use 'panduvam' for sigichai thinking that sigichai is sanskrit word.

    vishayam- vidayam

    osti- uyarthi-osaththi-osti

    (will be continued)

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    Sanskrit tamil myth

    (continuation)

    Some roots of sanskrit words.

    Juram(fever)- suram=sur+am-suru+am. 'surunguthal due to heat'

    suraththal,suranduthal,suriyan are from this root.

    Pashana- pasanam- paichanam- pai is the root.

    nirupanam- niruvuthal, niru/uru is the root.

    patcham-pakkam

    elakkam,elakkiam- elatcham,elatchiam

    giri-kiri-kuri means malai. kurichi,kuravar has same root.

    Suththam- suthai+am - Suthai a name for 'sunnambu'(white/clean).
    Asuththam might have evolved in sanskrit since equivalent opposite word forming might be difficult since sanskrit is artificial language.

    For example, abaram-baram-param-varam(since 'v' is not in sanskrit) -varai+am, varai(border),Compare varayarai & var(belt).

    Therefore abaram(-ve) means borderless-excellent in meaning.

    Not only words.Sanskrit Grammar also is from tamil. We can conclude sanskrit is the northern replica of tamil. Sanskrit vedic religion is tamil adapted religion.

    Inthran is eulogized in vedhas.

    Inthran/varunan= inththu=im+th+u- Im and U are suttu words specified the water/cold water of river. varunan=vari(alai) again a name for water flowing/sea.

    The same inththran was god of masses when tamils turned agriculturists. The same inththran was turned sivan later.

    The god of water based/agriculturists was inththran. That is why
    some of the castes of tamilnadu called themselves inthrakula katthiriyar(Shatriyar) and inththrakula vellalar.

    Karikalan celebrated 'inththra vizha' in kallanai. Silapathikaram talks about inthra vizha.

    Sanskrit adapted this caste system/ideology.

    Sindhu the river name means the same cold water flowing.

    Kangai,the river name is formed with the root 'kankai' which means light heat.

    If the above concept is followed a significant breakthrough in tamil-sanskrit combination will be invented and the myth that sanskrit is all in india would be broken into pieces.

    f.s.gandhi
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    Dear friends,

    Sanskrit is called ‘DEVA BASHA’ in India.

    It is actually true. Sanskrit slogans are used / insisted in pujas.

    Just like Arabic & Hebrew, Sanskrit also adopted God’s name for every word used while worshipping.

    You can observe this in many of Sanskrit words forming.

    ‘Piram’ is the root for most of the words of slokas in Sanskrit irrespective of the meaning of the word.

    Just like ‘Al’ is added in Arabic words and ‘Allae’ in Hebrew words the word ‘Piram’ is added to Sanskrit words.

    Tamil differs from this. But ‘Piram’ is from tamil ‘param’- which specifies ‘PARAMPORUL’ or God.

    This itself shows from tamil –Prakirutham-samaskirutham was formulated for the sake of God’s prayers. The great cholas who were tamils accepted Sanskrit because of this fact.

    Let us examine some of the words.

    Pirakadanam- ‘Vilamparam’ – Param + kadanam – Kadanam – ‘Kadantha thanmai’ – means ‘Overtaking god’s popularity’.

    Pirakasam- Param + Kasam – Kasam – ‘Lightening like Pon Kasu’- means lightening

    Prakiruthi- Param + karu + e - means ‘moolam’

    Pirasankam- Param +Sam+ Am—Addressing about god in front of masses

    Pirasandam – Param + chandai (Chandam) – means ‘Kodumai or Kadumai’

    Pirasavam- Param + Chavam – Chavam means ‘marupaduthal’ – Change – just like Pinam from ‘Pinangu’ base. Giving child birth is change in situation.

    Pirasannam- Param + Channam- Channam means ‘Nunniya’ – ‘Alagiya’. ‘Jannal’ a word for window is not portugese origin as tamil pandits say. It is tamil word only.
    Pirasannam means ‘shown clearly’

    Pirasatham – Param + satham. Satham is from ‘sathu’ root which means ‘soft’. Tamils tell ‘Choru’ is tamil and 'satham' is sanskrit’- There is no 'satham' in Sanskrit. God’s satham is ‘Pirachatham’.

    Pirasapathi- Param + Arasu + athi + pathi - This is the name for God ‘Piraman’

    Readers are welcome to add more in this way. (will be continued later)

    f.s.gandhi

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    Dear friends,

    (Continuation of Param oriented sanskrit words)

    Pracharam – Param + charam - Charam has root as ‘Charu’ – means ‘messages about god’ equivalent to ‘Chorpozhivu’

    Prachiththam - Param + Chiththam - ‘Kadavulin velippadu’ - ‘arivippu’

    Prachinam – Param + Chinam – ‘ a question asked against god’ – vinaa / Kaelvi

    Prasuram – Param + saram – Praising of god – later to mean ‘pathippithal’

    Prajai – Param + kudisai – parakusai – pirausai – Prajai – citizen / kudimakan.

    Piranayam – Param + Nayam - Anbu – kind

    Piranavam- Param + Avam – about god – kadavulaip patri – to specify ‘Oom’

    Pirathatchinam – Param + Thattu + enai - Thattukku enaiyaka – Thatchinai given to god / Prokithar. Check ‘Thatchina Poomi’ - flat like structure. Check ‘Anka prithatchinam’

    Pirathamam – Param + Amam – Amam here is equivalent to ‘Amar’ – means ‘ Muthanmai.
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    FSGV!
    whatever you are saying here are quite revolutionary to my mind. I am amazed by these. Can you explain the etimology nehind this. Also can you provide historical evidences that support this hitherto unexplored line of thinking?
    Thanks and congrats.
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    Dear Mr. Jaiganes,

    In world history a significant breakthrough has been done by Mr.Maxmuller who identified ‘Indo – Europiean Group of languages’ in 19th century.

    His strong belief is man movement in history can be identified through language analysis.

    He has done, found out certain truth but ended with wrong conclusion. The thing is he has not analysed tamil / other Dravidian group / North Indian tribal languages.

    Importantly north Indian tribal languages are nothing but tamil.

    Whenever Indian history studies made Sanskrit is made forefront as if it exposes all Indian hereditary which is a wrong theory. It is 1800 years old unspoken language created only for Hothas / knowledge preservation purposes.

    In this case we have to analyse which culture / language influenced this Sanskrit. That will bring you great light to the history.

    Thevanayap pavanar started his career as English teacher went on reading English formation and at last he found tamil was the origin for all the languages in the world. He started the roots formation guided by Maxmuller / Galduwell.

    My approach is based on that. Many books influenced this. I had an opportunity in my school days to study about various history books. If you want the listing it won’t complete the purpose.

    All other Indian languages are phonetically transformed structure / dialects of tamil is real truth.

    Knan paranchu / parayu (Malayalam) Na cheppinadu (telugu) which are Shrinkage of Naan parainthathu / Naan cheppiyathu.

    Doorvaja Banthgae (Hindi) ‘Theruvasal poththunga’ (tamil)- ‘Kathava Moodunga’ (another dialect)

    Doorvaja Kolagae (Hindi) ‘Theruvasal Thoranga’ (tamil) ‘ Kathava Thiranga’ (another dialect)

    Yahang Aav (Hindi) ‘Engae Vaa’ (tamil)

    Kithap patna(Hindi) 'Puththakam padi'

    My purpose is to intiate this vision to masses. People will find out lot of things / truths behind it (including the language pandits.)

    f.s.gandhi



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    Dear friends,

    'Param' root -Sanskrit words (continuation)

    Param is pronounced as ‘P’ram / Piram in Sanskrit.

    Prathapam – Param + Thapam – Thapam has root in ‘Thavu’ – Thaavam – Thapam & Thavaram are old words When man lived in forests and Thaavam means forest fire.

    Prathapam means uncontrollable courage like fire.

    Prathanam- Param +Thanam – Thanam specifies place. Than – Thaan – is the root. Thaniyam is another word from this root. Prathanam means ‘Muthal edam’

    Prathani – Param + Thani – First person – ‘Muthanmaiyanavar’

    Prathisi – Param + Thisai – Gods’ place / direction – means ‘West’.

    Prathesam- Param + Theyam – Theyam – Thesam.- Gods’ place – People’s place was called in that way.

    Prapantham- Param + Pantham – Pantham means ‘varisai’ / Ozungu / relation – Note panthi specifies the same meaning. Prapantham means ‘Nool varisai’

    Praphaharan- Param + Akaran – Akaran means ‘Thodakka manavan’ like tamil first alphabet ‘A’

    Prapalam – ‘ Valiyulla’ / pukazulla- Param +palam- palam is from ‘valam’ to specify ‘valimai’

    Prabu – Param- Paramu- Pramu- Prabu

    Prapavam- Famous / Pukazh - Param + Avam – Avam is from ‘avai’

    Prapuththan – yount intelligent man – Param + paththan - Paththan is from ‘paththai’ means ‘containing lot of ‘. Paththan – who interconnect / create arts. Paththathi – ‘neri nool’

    Pramachariyam – Param +Chaariyam – ‘Kadavulaich chaarntha’ - Belonging to god – unmarried / not belonging to this world life.

    (will be continued later )
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    SANSKRIT AND TAMIL

    India has produced the two Worlds Topmost languages, and both are from same origin, but expressing it differently.

    From same base, both can claim to be the origin, but both are same and equally different.

    You say in Abroad, people do not accept Sanskrit's Antiquity, I DONot know which of the Universities you are talking about, and are they Scholars of Repute and Presented in ACADamics.

    Few Thinkers spread this stories in India and Abroad, but nothing is accepted by any Universities, and are worth getting few claps in meetings.

    No need to be any bad feelings on either Languages, and both are from India and both make us proud, and expressing opinions without proofs only would put Tamils at a disadvantage.
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    Dear Thiru Solomon,

    Tamil started with suttu oligal / vowels.That is a,e,u . ‘a,e,i,o,u’ are vowels as you know by English. These will have a, aa, e, ee, u, uu, o, oo,i apart from ae, aae, av, ah sounds which were present only in world ancient languages. In this ‘av’ and ‘ah’ sounds were predominantly in ancient languages.

    All suttu oligal have meaning only in tamil not in any other language of world.

    These suttu oligal formed extension in words.

    Expanded words shrinked and tilted in its form formulating new dialects / new languages.

    These shrinked words don’t have vowels at the beginning. But have consonants of later origin.

    Tamil only can claim the root words since most of the Sanskrit words never start with vowels.

    For example : Eravu – Raththiri

    Eravu has ‘Iru’ root . This root formed the words ‘erumpu, irul, Irukku, Iruppu etc.

    Tamil consonant starting words also have root in vowel starting words.

    ‘Sanku’ – sam+ku - ‘Sam’ is from ‘Am’ which formulated the word ‘ambalam’ where Am and sam has same meaning ‘club’.

    You talked about common origin. If there is a common origin where is the common origin ? No symptoms of common origin prevalent in India.

    You must understand Tamil history is related to world history. Hence talking tamil history shall not mean talking against any language / race.

    f.s.gandhi

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