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    Dear friends,


    ‘Okku’ is a old tamil word means ‘Thani’. Since a replica of something becoming the same of a thing this ‘okku’ turned in meaning as ‘Pontra, ontrana’.

    The same okku is used in telugu as ‘Okkati’.

    ‘Kokku OKKA kompum paruvaththu’- kural use this word.

    This okka turned as ok – ak – aak (ontru) in Sanskrit.

    Since Sanskrit is ‘DEVA BASHA’ this ‘aak’ is taken in many words of Sanskrit as root.

    ‘God is one’ is the principle in any religion. Other gods are specified as ‘Thoothuvar’ in Christin / muslim religion and ‘Avathaar’ in Hindu / Inthu religion.

    Hence this ‘AAK’ specifies god’s nature and is root of many words like ‘param’ in Sanskrit.

    Observe the following words.

    Aaka kundalan – Okka + kundavan = Palaraman was called in this name.

    Aaka Chakrathipathi – Okka + Chakkaram + Athi + pathi = Arasan

    Aaka thandi – Okka + Thandam = Sanniyasi / godman

    Aaka Thanthan – Okka + Thantham (elephant) – Vinayakar / pillaiyar / Lor Ganesh

    Aaka pokam – Okka + Pokuthal / spend – ‘Thani yaka anupavi’ – Enjoy singularly.

    Readers are welcome to contribute.

    f.s.gandhi
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    Dear Friends,

    'Aek'(okku) oriented sanskrit words (continuation)

    Aeka vachanam - Orumai (without respect) - cursing god

    Aeka vadam - Oru kayiru - one rope used to pull God's charriot.

    Aeka vanai – Aek + Aanai = God’s command is same for all people

    Aekan – Kadavul

    Aekanki – Aek + Ankam = A man who adapted God. ‘Thuravi’

    Aekaatchi – Aek + Kaatchi – Otraik kannan (a man of one eye – here ‘Sukiran’ God.

    Aekaandam – Aek + Andam (ulakam) = God’s place

    Aekaantham – Aek + kaantham = Kaantham is from Kantham – Pillar – here like pillar a place where god / person lives discretely.

    Aekopiththal – Aek + Oppuviththal = Ontru cheruthal
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    DATING OF SANSKRIT AND TAMIL LITERATURE

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    Solomon, please don't post the same text all over the place. It make discussion difficult. Once is enough.

    Pls continue here: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...=147020#147020

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    Dear solomon,

    We tell you that there is no common origin for tamil and sanskrit and sanskrit is an offshoot of tamil.

    The same Maxmuller words about language history has been revealed to you in the topic 'Tamil is elder to sanskrit. Your words seems to be opposing his views.

    Our view is what Maxmuller followed through languages' words is correct and his interpretation was wrong since he neglected to get into or didnot have enough days in his life get into the dravidian group or tamil. The last mindset of Maxmuller is reveled by Galduwell which I noted you in 'Tamil is elder to sanskrit' thread.

    Why people will hate if sanskrit literature really good for Indian people ?

    You specify common enemies are Europeans and they spread false message.You and your views of your forefathers for the past 150 years believed Aryan theory.

    You always confuse and mix the so called Brahmins who are identified as caste now with Aryans which is not true and this has been revealed in 'tamil..' thread.

    You seems to be based on RSS ideology which neither have evidances nor have proof but it is a belief.

    Historieans must have outlook and vision based on evidances and not on beliefs and we have to scroll through all the persons having some positive elements of proof.

    Kindly do not lambast the shortcomings of yesteryear scholars. Derive always some positive elements if presented by scholars.

    f.s.gandhi
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    TAMIL AND SANSKRIT

    From MosesMohammedSplomon:

    FSG- I want you to look at the historical facts and not on wishful thinkings. Aryan Invasion was brought in By Maxmuller, Caldwell etc., and that is because they want to split Indians.

    I have facts and go by International consenses of Dating of Literature and where as you Spread false assumptions.

    Sanskrit Literature has its good as much as Tamil, and We donot have One Pre Sanskrit Tamil work.

    Breaking of words are not Linguistc Science to fullness, An example- Computer is a Pukka TaMIL word- what a computer does- It Processes the Date given. i.e.,
    Canthial of Puhithiya Tharavukal- which becaome Cani-Puhu-Tharvu as Computer'; Kanini or Kanipori is not that suitable.

    We know this is not a right interpretation, but anybody can publish and another put it in Net and this will only put Indians as People-meaninglessly split and claim ubsurd roots and waste time.

    Archeology is the best to guide and based on Stone Inscriptions the Tholkappiyam can be never dated earlier than 200-150 BCE, and first Tamil inscriptions are done after Samane North Indians wrote it in their scripts- the Tamil words, Tamil did not have previous scripts, atleast in pre-500 years prior to 500 BCE, Indus Seals, if you cut the Missionaries, 50% read it as Sanskrit and 50% as Proto-Tamil, but with morethan 4000 types of Pictures, they are more Picotorial than Scriptal.

    Look at facts . India and Indian Culture extended from Celon to Iran, with both Tamil and Sanskrit , with Sanskrit on the insistence of Clergy becoming a Grammatical language, giving way to Pali and Prakrits. We have Pali Books telling Vedic/Ramayan/Mahabaat stories and these books have gone to neibouring countries in 250BCE, Asokan periods, now you bluff, no Vedas till 100 BCE, would be childish.
    RSS is not a bad word thought I have no connection with it or accept its ideologies, its much better than Dravidians Parties of Tamilnadu, who now follow Varnasramadharma of putting Sons and Grandsons in all Posts.
    Go by facts without Prejudices and accept truths.
    MosesMohammadSolomon

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    Dear solomon,

    You wanted references and I gave them. All the owners of books are not wishful thinkers they provide lot of archeological and literary proofs to show that. Due to its length I could not elaborate it.

    Words are main source of history telling and all the historians follow this.

    You made funny of words separation. It has some concept supported by archelogical findings. Grammatical works shows clear picture of language formation and their history.

    Comtemporary meaning and based on suttu olikal, Oru porul kilavikal supported by inscriptions are followed in language reserch.

    You accept in one way and reject in another way seems to be contradictory in your views.

    Your dating of panini doesn't have any proof. The first inscription of sanskrit language is during 8 the century A.D that too during pallava period and nowhere in India Sanskrit inscriptions found is the reality.

    You talked about sanskrit influence present now in India and other countries. Sanskrit has latest origin and spread during radical change in vaishnava. Since it is latest its presence there. You know before 50 years tamil wrote in manipiravalam. Almost tamil extinct. But revived after sankam findings. It doesnot mean sanskrit is earlier is our point. Sanskrit literature contains tamil thoughts and is the offshoot of tamil is our arguement.

    During Nayakkar period the latest kings before Bristish Telugu was used.Do you mean telugu is earlier ? British ruled India and the influence of English is there in India. Do you mean English is earlier?

    Sindhu valley script never contains sanskrit words is the truth. After all sanskrit words words are shrinked form of tamil. A fully refained tamil nothing shrinked form of words are observed in sindhu valley and all world historians accept that no vedhic influence in sindhu valley. You are redirecting the views.

    And in language also Paly-pragrid-sanskrit is the evolution. You redirecting this as Maxmuller way that sanskrit-pragrid-Paly which proved wrong by historians.

    In someway you manage to get a place for sanskrit with false findings. It wont stand longterm base.

    f.s.gandhi
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    A lot of assumptions you have posted there! Never mind! But just to punture a gapping hole in your thought! Refering to what you said:

    Sanskrit Literature has its good as much as Tamil, and We donot have One Pre Sanskrit Tamil work.
    Ashtadyayi fame, Panini of 400BCE did not name Sanskrit (or samksrut, samskrit - or whatever that may be its name) as a language he is talking about.

    For what language did Panini write grammer for, then? Some Prakirts? When was the "Samskrit" came into being as a name for a language??

    All this point just to one thing. Sanskrit was non-existence prior to the 2nd Centure CE - when Valmiki Ramayana was written!

    The rest of your lament is noted!

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    Tamil and Sanskrit Myth.

    I request you to kindly read my poing in Tamil Elder forum in reply to your Lies.

    Carbon 14 dating started only in 20th Cen middle and you say Saraswathi Mahal has 19th Cen test proofs- I leave you with these statements.

    Now when you donot have facts, then you start meaningless talks calling RSS views,
    -When Sunami attacked Tamilnadu, the first to come resque was RSS and as per Site Informations - One Third of the Total affected Dead Bodies were disposed by RSS Sevaks, the pity is when most of the affected is either Tourists at Spas or Kuppam people, but the People who visited as Tourists and Devotions to Velankanni Temple- 2000 were Dead, where as the SANTHOME Archbishop made another statement of SUNAMI- AS Thomas tomb remained in Mylapur, the place was not affected. And all our Tamil Dravidan TVs took Pain not to show RSS Sevaks, whereas watching NDTV or Aajtak etc., proved all this.

    When M.Deivanayagam took the dubious researches of KA.SU.Pillai, MaraimalaiAdigal and others and submiited and received a PHD, saying Entire Tamil Literature- Tirukural, Paripadal, KAlithogai. Thirumurugatrupadai ,Saiva sithanthangal etc., are influenced rather Valluvar copied Bible and all were developed later under Bible infleunce by Thomas' alleged visit. His books had blessings of all major churches, rather Mylapur Archbishop funded them, and I quote Deivanayagam in his first book- Tiruvalluvar Christhuvara?, which had an Aninthurai by Mu.Karunanithi and released by Anbalagan if I remember correct in 1969..
    "Valluvar KAPPIYADITHAR ENAK kOOR ENTHATH tAMILANUM MUNVARA MATTAN, ANAL vIRUPPU Veruppu indri Aybavargal thangal Aayvin mudivil Varum karuthugalai veliyida pinvanginal avargal unmai aiyvalargal allar- Pa 131. "
    " Christhuvamagihiya Malaiil irunthu Edukkappatta Aramagia Karungal Tamilagiya Gangayil .... Page- 173'
    And his gang has received 5 or 6 phd, mphil etc., where as now we know the above statements are Lies to the core. Devaneyan's quotations have been used his final work, Phd Thesis to attack the Tamil's Aborgins.
    This research has been going on from Late 50s, and Devaneyan did not Utter a single word to my Knowledge against this Project.
    Friends, it is an RSS GROUP maintain a WEBSITE- www.hamsa.organd gives the total news on the frauds of the Thomas visit humbugs., and FSG now you quote this Gentleman to couch your misleading claims.
    Almost entire work of Scholars of 20th Cen, now needs to be rejected as Sangam Period is now dated to end around 30-20BCE, and Kalapirar rule in 1st and 2ndCen, and Pallavas coming in around 190CE.
    Quoting Obsolete books is of no use.

    You were always claiming having dating done for Tamil & Sanskrit literatures and please give those here or to all the Encyclopedias- as Britanica, americana, CHambers, Cromptons etc.,

    Now Tell me the names of Universities that follow, which you claim follow and research and YOUr misleading claims.

    Please explains your views with proofs instead of trying to meaninglessly Punctur my arguments, Let facts come in open and not false claims.
    MosesMohammedSolomon

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    Dear Solomon,

    I stand by my views. Saraswathi Mahal libruary is still there in Thanjavur.

    The question is here about sanskrit antiquity. You seems to be talking other issues which is not necessary now.

    You kindly talk your views under the heading 'Tamil is elder to sanskrit' topic.

    Prove that sanskrit is elder. You can't do it. You don't have proof.

    Kindly note adichanallur findings recently in 'THE HINDU' paper. The earlier script of tamil dated through carbon dating back to 500 B.C.

    Dont divert the topic.

    f.s.gandhi
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