Foolish Concepts of Patriotism

[joe]

Think about people in Bangaladesh who born before 1947..

They born as Indian and been asked to Love India
After 1947 ,They became Pakistani and been asked love Pakistan
After few years ,they became Bangaladeshi and been asked to love Bangaladesh.

Did Those people really prefer that?Because of political reason they are forced to do so.

[Badri]

Vanga Joe!! Romba naala kanoom?

Excellent thought, Joe!! Another example would be the erstwhile USSR breaking down into many independent countries.

When countries change their geographical borders, how do you define Patriotism?

[Surya]

When countries change their geographical borders, how do you define Patriotism?

That's truly a throught provoking line! But I think that the fact still remains that the Banglas are still patriotic to bagladesh. Same with teh Pakis. The definition of patriotism still remains the same right?

To show love, support, and sacrifice for one's country.

Even if it's divided the ppl of that region become patriotic to that seperated region.

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

// Foolish concept of patriotism //

Foolishness’ is rather, I feel , strong offensive word. However we can use ‘Imaginery’ in place of foolishness. Let us call ‘Imaginery concept of patriotism’ appropriately.

We always need this kind of imaginery set up or arrangement to take care of our / our people’s life.

All rules and regulations are imaginery setup brought out from the past experience.

For example ‘marriage law’. It varies land to land. When men carried out forest life a kind of polygamy / irregular marital behaviours were there among men. In order to regularize marriage law formed : And still people found lot of violations. Marriage rituals were formed.

In the same way though before 1947 India was not one, scattered as land bits with its horizons, a constitution was built up to integrate and make mutually beneficial arrangement among people.

Though these setup and other slogans seems to be to eulogise patriotism it is an arrangement to protect ourselves and get the things distributed among people.

If this distribution is not equal then you can call the patriotism will have no meaning.

And here we have to point out that the sacrifices of few will make others to survive is derived through this patriotism and definitely it has meaning.

Let us believe this arrangement and try to strengthen this arrangement. Time is still there and no need to rush to end this concept and Instead of bashing out patriotism let us pour water in all ways to keep.

'Hindustaniladuka' wrote

/// One way to be patriotic is to push the government to go after corrupt politicians. Corruption is the only thing that is keeping India down.///

Corruption prevails from prehistoric period. A word ‘Kaiyootu’ which was used before prehistoric period.

In a historic film ‘ Schindlers’s List’ A germanian Schindler gives bribery to get man workers for his factory during second world war.

United States of America is not ruled out for this affair. They use ‘Whistle blower system’ to curb bribery and in this case they get success to certain extend only.

In this situation, only blaming & pointing out politicians becomes futile. Every nook and corner of India is having this bribery pollution.

To solve this vexed problem what do we have to do ?

We have to change the social pattern through propogations and have to have radical change in the constitutional set up.

Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru tried to implement Socialistic pattern which abolishes asset rights. When you abolish asset rights there is a chance of avoiding accumulation of unnecessary wealth and black money through power.

He could not make it due to other compulsions. Mrs. Indira Gandhi tried by implementing land sealing act which only could end in Binami lands.

Unless we emphasize and legetimise abolishtion of asset rights as followed in Russia and China We will be in great trouble due to corruption.

All other attempts will become futile.

f.s.gandhi

[HindustaniLadka]

I disagree. I feel we should stay away from communism at all costs. Right now, both Russia and Mainland China are terrible places to live...do you want India to become like them?

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Not communistic model. Atleast in corruption prevention we can follow their pattern since it has been proved successful.

[nirosha sen]

How does one prove corruption when there's a clampdown on the media????? Who would the whistle-blowers be in such a system????!!!!

Just curious, Pa!!

[blahblah]

How does one prove corruption when there's a clampdown on the media????? Who would the whistle-blowers be in such a system????!!!!

Just curious, Pa!!

Niro,There can't be such a 'clampdown' on the media in the present world in any democratic society.I am quite sure atleast in my country the media is quite free to write what they want.Just recently,the Indian Express came out with an investigation report on how the relief money meant for the flood victims in Bihar were diverted/misused by an IAS officer and his allies.Patna Deputy Magistrate Gautam Goswamy is on the run as I type this and his accomplice Santosh Jha is under custody.Again the Indian media played a big role in bringing 'Tiger Pataudi'[Nawab Mansoor Ali Khan,who once led the Indian Cricket Team] before the law in a hunting case.They unearthed the Petrol Pump Scam where the followers of the then ruling party ran away with all the loot in the form of petrol pumps.

What I want to say is that is that the Indian media is as free and probably stronger than the media in other nations.

[EdenWoods]

My definition of patriotism is simple.
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1. Pay your taxes.
2. Love your countrymen.
3. Avoid fanaticism.
4. Do not mix one's religion with nationhood or patriotism.
5. Preach your beliefs/religion wherever in your country, but allow others the same.
6. Avoid violence on your co-citizen.
7. Do not form hate groups and join cults or secretive organisations with sectarian agendas.
8. Do sacrifice a little, and be in your country which you cliam to be a patriot of.
9. Avoid hipocricy.
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It turned out to be not so simple, after all!

[Cinefan]

5. Preach your beliefs/religion wherever in your country, but allow others the same.

7. Do not form hate groups and join cults or secretive organisations with sectarian agendas.

5)Who takes the responsibility of ensuring that only beliefs/religion is preached&no attempt is made to coerce ppl to convert by doling out money,gifts etc.

7)Who will define which organisation falls under this purview-The govenment?Then everytime there is a change in power will it go about banning organizations which it feels spread hate?Your idea of sectarian can be different from mine right?