M.K. Thyagaraja Bagavadhar

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Vaidyanathan,
I have also read Randor Guy's article about MKTB and the Lakshmikanthan murder case. It kindled my curiosity and my father (who is no more) a fan of MKTB used to tell me about that infamous trial. My father lived in Purasawalkam (Doveton) area where that notorious rowdy "Arya Veerasenan" who murdered Lakshmikanthan (at the behest of MKTB and NSK) also lived at that time.
More detailed information about the murder case was given by "Aranthai Narayanan" in Dinamani Kathir in early 80s when he used to write about early days of Tamil Cinema.
I also have the Golden greats of MKTB CD. "Bhoomiyil maanida" was my favorite for a long time. My current favorite is "Dheena karunakarane". Still I cannot believe that people couldn't recognize him when he was not in the limelight. We Tamils have a history of not recognizing one's talent when they are alive but singing praises after they die. Bharathiyar is another example. After reading Manisekaran's articles, I have become ardent fan of MKTB and want to get hold of his authoritative biography desparately. Does such a thing exist?

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Vadivel,
There is a book on MKTB by "Vindhan" although I am not sure as to how authoritative it is. I do not have a copy of it. Muktha Srinivasan wrote an article in Thuglak in the early 90's entitled "Bhagavatharin vaLarchiyum veezhchiyum."
Once again, to quote from Guy's article: "Only Arya Veera Senan lives, an old man bitter about life and its cruelty....Experts, even laymen believe that the truth about the murder did not come out, and that Bhagavathar, NSK and others were poor victims of a game of power politics."

In fact, NSK has sung a song (Jailukku poi vandha) in the movie "Paithiyakkaran" where he says
"Oru silar koNda kodiya poramai uruvamAchudhunga
AdhAlE uNmaiyai marandhAnga
PoiyyayE uRudhi paduthinAnga"
I happened to attend a lecture by Randor Guy at IIT, Madras in 1991 entitled "Crime, Cinema and Politics" where he briefly alluded to this case. He apparently tried to dig into the case in the 60's and went to talk to the late P. V. Rajamannar (one of the legal luminaries of India, he went on to become Chief Justice of Madras High Court) about this. Rajamannar was the Advocate-General in the 1940's and he led the prosecution in the Lakshmikantham case trial. Guy was urged not to make enquiries into the trial etc. by Rajamannar. When Guy asked him, "Is this an advice or threat?", Rajamannar replied, "It is an advice for now. If you try going further, it is a threat."
For the record, Bhagavathar and NSK were actually acquitted in the Lakshmikantham case after a 30-month sojourn in prison.

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Vaithi:
Please post Randor Guy's articles on MKTB. I don't think copyright is a problem. There are much worse copyright violations like real audio of TFM songs etc., Can any of the TFM forum stalwarts help Vaithi with copyright issues and posting Guy's articles?

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Vadivel,

As part of the TFM page team, let me say you that we don't want to get into copyright problems.
Earlier, we had to take off an article that
was posted without the original author's consent.
So it's better if such postings are kept out of
this forum. Thanks.

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Rajaraman & Vadivel:

I know Randor Guy personally. I would try to get in touch with him and see that the copyright issues are resolved. In fact, he would be one person who would be be delighted to see a forum like this. This would take some time, though as I am in the middle of resolving some personal issues and dont really hv much time...

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Vadivel

I am a government officer dealing with intellectual property matters, including copyright matters. Let me enlighten on the implications. There are 3 options for you.
1.Reproduction of an author's work without his consent is an infringement. Therefore you should get his consent.
2. There is an element called "Fair Dealing" in which a portion of the whole could be used for non commercial use, meaning educational, research and government use for which the consent of the authors need not be obtained. But sufficient acknowledgement must be accorded. This is covered under the International Convention For the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works popularly called the BERNE Convention where India and Malaysia are member countries. But you must establish that this thread is either educational or research oriented.

RAJARAM: You may have to mention somewhere in the introduction to the TFMDF that the purpose is non commercial and research oriented. As for me I consider this a perfect research forum.

3. The third option is of course time consuming. You have to read and digest and assimilate the article first. Then post it in your own words. This is because stealing "ideas" cannot become copyright infringement. Only the stealing of the material form (expressions in written form etc)will amount to infringement.

The duration of copyrith protection is the life of the author and 50 years from his death. After that the work becomes public domain. Anyone could use the work.

I hope the provisions in the Copyright law is clear now.

Thank You.
Manisekaran.

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LIST OF MKTB SONGS

THIRUNEELAKNDER

1.Oru Naal Oru Pozhuthagilum-
2.Un Azhagai Kaana Iru
3.Pavalamaal Varaiya Pani
4.Chidambara Naatha
5.Sarasarangal Varum suzhandre
6.Manam Nininthu Magizhnthu
7.Panakenthra Booshana
8. Neelakanda Nithya Nirmal
9. Dheena Karuna Karane Nadaraja
10.Maraivaai Puthaitha
11. Aathi Devane Thillai Natha
12. Eesan Kanmino

ASOKUMAR

1. Manila Vaazhvu Perum Aanandam
2.Ullang kavarumen Paavai
3. Thyaname enathu Manathu
4.Unai Kandu Mayangatha
5.Sathvagoona Bothan
6.Vanpasip pini Kunavu Nam
7.Maname Eesan Naamathai
8.Boomiyil Maanida Janmam
9.Unnaiye Anbudan
10.Kidayathu Vaazhvithile
11.Sinam Kamam Poi Kalavu

PUTHU VAZHVU

1.Appa Naan Venduthal
2.Suttu Vizhi Cudarthaan Kannamma
3.Annayum Thanthayum
4. Thanam Avasiyam
5. Then Kuyil Pole
6.Mei Gnana Thangame
7.Unmai Onre Pesum
8. Oru Pizhayum Ariyen

RAJAMUKTHI

1.Unnaiyallaal Oru Thurumbasayumo
2.Piravi Kadal Thandiye
3. Manida Janmam Meendum Vanthidumo
4. Ingumangum
5. Enna Aanantham
6. Manam Ninainthu

AMBIKAPATHY

1.Ini Evvaru Marappen
2.Ulaginilinbam
3.Iraiyarut Seyalithai
4.Chandrsooriyar Pom Kathi Maarinum
5. Bajanai Seivom Maname
6. Maane Naan Unnai Adaiya

HARIDASS

1.Vazhvilor Thirunaal
2.Manmatha Leelaiyai
3.Thottathatkellaam
4.Ennalum Intha Inba
5. Maamuni Nathar Karunaiyile
6.En Udal Thaniloru Ee
7. Annayum Thanthayum thane?
8.Krishna Muguntha Murare

SYAMALA

1. En Jeeva Priya Syamala
2. Rajan Maharajan


SIVAKAMI

1. Atputha Leelaikalai
2.Aananda Nadana Vinotha
3. Thillayin Nayagane
3.Arava Panan Thiruvadi
4.Gnana Sabayil Thillai

SIVAKAVI

1.Vathaname Chandrabombamo
2.Thiruvarul Thara Innum
3. Vaitha vayirapura
4. Mananganinthe
5.Vasantharuth Manamohaname
6.Amba Manam Kaninyhunathu
7. Vallalai Paadum Vaayaal
8.Koothan Muganthirandu
9.Vaasa Malar Madanthai Pol
10. UNgalile Yanoruvan
11. Thamiyen Painthamizh
12. Kulirntha Mugamanum
13. Ellaam Sivan Seyalen
14. Kavalaiyai Theerppathu Naattiya Kaliye
15. Swappana Vaazhvil Magizhnthe

CHINTAMANI

1. Pesuntharamaa Kathal
2.Maya Prapanjathil
3. Gnanakkan Onru Irunthidum Pothile
4.Katpinil Kaniye
5.Bajanai Seivom Maname
6.Rathey Unakku Kobam Aagathedi
7.Jegamathile Jeganaavathu

AMARAKAVI

1. Sevai Sithaale Vaazhalaam
2.Annai Thanthai Anbariyatha
3. Yanai Thantham Pole
4.Ellaam Inbame

SATHYA SEELAN

1.Sollu Paappa
2.Sivaperuman Kirubai Vendum
3. Kanna Kariya Mugil


NAVEENA SARANGATHAARA
Could someone fill up please.

THANIPPADALKAL

1. Ghandiyai Pol
2. Kaimaaru Seivathundo
3.Parukkulle Nalla Naadu
4. Suthanthira Kodi Paranthidappaar



HELP NEEDED for the films of these songs

1. Sotrunai Vethiyan
2.Vandar Kuzhal
3.konji Pesum Kiliye
4.Vinpole
5.Aaranange
6.Unniye Anbudan Vaari Anaikkum

NOTE: This is the best I could unearth. But there are some other songs thrown in this thread. I believe Sathish Subramaniam is already consolidating them into a complete list with details of lyricist, MD, raga etc.

Thanks and regards.
Manisekaran

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Manisekharan,

There are some errors in your list of MKTB songs. "Sivaperuman Kirubai Vendum" is from film "Naveena Sarangathara" and not from "Sathyaseelan". "Kanna Kariya mugil Vannaa" is from film "Pavalakkodi" (MKTB's 1st film 1934).

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Gawd!!! Never saw this thread ever. Thanks Gowri,for reviving. Now let us hope Mani gets motivated enough to start contributing, haven't seen him around off late.

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Sriram,

naa nijammaa solrEn (sarcastic aa illai) "inga (DF la) naraiya vishayam therinjavanga irukaa! ivaaLLaam regular aa ezhudhinaa romba nannaa irukkum.