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    This is such a shocker.... I cant even fathom this. The internet is gone to town with this and as usual there will be fans from both sides defending each of the favorites. But really?? can anyone claim victory at the end of the day?? really??. Whoever comes out victorious out of this.. be it Raaja or SPB... Can any fan be happy about this? Many a time, I was advised by people to look at Raaja the musician and not Raaja the man. His personal side is not my business. But now it has hit us home. Why now Raaja? Why to SPB? And why is the middle of his 50th year tour? Why couldnt you both talk it out before he went on tour? He is/was your friend for christ sake!! Remember the times you enthralled us ... Werent you fully aware of the fallout of sending a legal notice?? My heart breaks at this... Gone is a friendship that made us sleep, made us fall in love, supported us in hard times... yes we may not mean much to your decision Raaja... but please dont tell us that Music for you comes from God and not yours... its all yours and you want a price for that .... Legally you have all the rights to do this... but morally you failed as a friend!. Enjoy the money and the fallout from this!. At the end of the day we cant go anywhere or have any choice but to listen to your music, but remember the hearts that you have let down today ! ....

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    இந்த பிரச்சனையில் இராஜா மேல் எந்த தவறும் இல்லை. அவரை குறை கூறுவதற்கு முன் காப்புரிமை சட்டத்தை பற்றி தெரிந்து கொள்ளவும். எஸ்.பி.பி. தனக்கு அதை பற்றி தெரியாது என்று கூறுவதை ஏற்க முடியாது. 2, 3 வருடங்களுக்கு முன் தான் இதன் காரணமாக இராஜா வழக்காடுமன்றத்தை அனுகினார். அவரது இசையில் வார்த்த பாடல்கள் அவருக்கு சொந்தமானவை. அவற்றை பாடி பணம் சேர்க்க நினைப்போர் அவருக்கு உரிய தொகையை செலுத்த வேண்டியது அவர்கள் கடமை. அதை விடுத்து இப்போது அவரை குறை கூறுவது என்ன நியாயம்? தனது நண்பர் என்று நினைத்திருப்பாரேயானால் இதை உலகிற்கு பறை சாற்றாமல் தனது நண்பருடன் கலந்து பேசி இதை சுமூகமாக எஸ்.பி.பி முடித்திருக்கலாமே. இப்போது ஒரு மத்திய அமைச்சர் கூட இதை பற்றி கருத்து தெரிவித்திருக்கிறார். அவருக்கு சொந்த ஊர் (ஆந்திரா) பாசம். நம்மவர் எந்த தவறும் செய்யாத நிலையிலும் நாமே அவரை ஏன் எதிர்க்கிறோம்.

    இதில் கவனிக்க வேண்டிய இன்னொரு விஷயம். எத்தனையோ கிராமங்களில் இன்றும் பலர் அவரது பாடல்களை பாடி சம்பாதிக்கின்றனர். அதை எல்லாம் இராஜா தடுக்கவில்லை. ஆனால் உலகெங்கும் பாடி அதில் பெரும் பணம் ஈட்டும் போது அவற்றில் இராஜாவிற்கு உரிய பங்கை கொடுப்பது தானே நியாயம்.

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    Thozhar,
    Are you really going make this into an Andhra vs Tamil thing? Pathetic !! . This is about two souls who are/were dear to each other and more dearer to millions of fans as a couple... there are a lot of fans like me who feel that a family has been broken and knowing Raaja, it may never get back together. Raaja and SPB are friends, family and more... the sheer joy of them seeing together and SPB giving anecdotes and praise to Raaja is a sight to behold... and this has been broken for what??? Money/ legality? Legally yes!, he has every right to ask for royalty (I hope he paid the lyric writers when he toured the US). And he can demand the FM music channels for loyalty or even TV channels. I am sad because of the timing.. His friend that grew up with him and went through all the highs and lows of life with him is in his 50 year celebrations and it is a moment of pride and achievement for him. Instead of celebrating the occasion for him, with him, he demands royalty for his songs to be sung on stage?? ... Is this a time for this? Can he not wait and tell SPB when he gets back how he felt about this? Was everything a fake then? Does he not know that we fans are the ultimate losers at the end of this episode, no matter who wins..... This is just not right no matter how you spin this legally.... Raaja may win this battle , but he will never have an idea how many fans he left with a bitter taste....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloshed View Post
    Thozhar,
    Are you really going make this into an Andhra vs Tamil thing? Pathetic !! . This is about two souls who are/were dear to each other and more dearer to millions of fans as a couple... there are a lot of fans like me who feel that a family has been broken and knowing Raaja, it may never get back together. Raaja and SPB are friends, family and more... the sheer joy of them seeing together and SPB giving anecdotes and praise to Raaja is a sight to behold... and this has been broken for what??? Money/ legality? Legally yes!, he has every right to ask for royalty (I hope he paid the lyric writers when he toured the US). And he can demand the FM music channels for loyalty or even TV channels. I am sad because of the timing.. His friend that grew up with him and went through all the highs and lows of life with him is in his 50 year celebrations and it is a moment of pride and achievement for him. Instead of celebrating the occasion for him, with him, he demands royalty for his songs to be sung on stage?? ... Is this a time for this? Can he not wait and tell SPB when he gets back how he felt about this? Was everything a fake then? Does he not know that we fans are the ultimate losers at the end of this episode, no matter who wins..... This is just not right no matter how you spin this legally.... Raaja may win this battle , but he will never have an idea how many fans he left with a bitter taste....
    நான் இதை தமிழ் தெலுங்கு போராக மாற்ற முயலவில்லை. அதை செய்வது மைய அரசின் அமைச்சராக இருக்கும் வெங்கையா நாயுடு. சந்தேகம் இருந்தால் இந்த விஷயத்தில் எதற்கு ஒரு மைய அரசின் அமைச்சர் மூக்கை நுழைக்க வேண்டும் என்று உங்களை நீங்களே கேட்டுக் கொள்ளுங்கள். பெரிய அளவில் மக்கள் பார்க்காத ஒரு இணைய தளத்தில் மிக சாதாரணமான, பெயர் தெரியாத* ஒரு மனிதனான என்னால் ஒரு மொழிப் போரை உருவாக்க முடியுமா என்பதையும் உங்களை நீங்களே கேட்டுக் கொள்ளுங்கள். இந்த விஷயம் இளையராஜா என்ற இசையமைப்பாளருக்கும் எஸ்.பி.பி என்ற பாடகருக்கும் என்ற அளவை தாண்டி எவ்வகையாக உருவகப்படுத்தப் படுகிறது என்பதை உணருங்கள். அதை விடுத்து தேவையே இல்லாமல் என் மீது பாய வேண்டாம்.

    எஸ்.பி.பி தெலுங்கை தாய் மொழியாக கொண்டவர் என்றாலும் அவர் இந்தியாவிற்கே சொந்தம். எப்படி இளையராஜாவும் இரஹ்மானும் இந்தியாவிற்கே சொந்தமோ அது போல. இளையராஜா மற்றும் எஸ்.பி.பி. இருவருமே இசை இரசிகர்கள் கொண்டாட வேண்டியவர்கள். அவர்களை மொழி வாரியாக பிரிக்க நாம் யார். ஆனால் ஒரு மைய அரசின் அமைச்சர் தேவையே இல்லாமல் இதில் கருத்து சொல்வது தான் நெருடலாக இருக்கிறது.

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    Thozhar
    I read his tweet and there is nothing even remote to taking sides in that tweet. Your post was more alarmingly discriminatory talking about andhra and "nammavar". There is no politics at play here and let's leave it that. There are genuinely concerned fans of both that are shocked by the current situation . You cannot simple seperate these two. If you love spb, you love raaja as well. Just like one cannot love raaja and not love Janaki. I am no one to dictate how these two should have handled things but what I can say with utmost humility is that this is simply not the way . What a sad few days that this has been even though it has nothing to do with my life. That's how this decision has affected music lovers or raaja devotees. Splitting up with vairamuthu was a professional decision which we were totally fine with, but this one with a friend of more than 40 years may even hurt us more than two involved.

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    Folks, let's not get emotional and try to attack Raaja or SPB regarding this issue. Ilayaraaja has brought to light a very important legal issue regarding film music albums. The legal parties, movie producers, composers, singers and lyricists all agree that the copyright (IPRS) issue in India should be straightened out. It's a known fact that music artists in India especially in film industry are paid very less as compared to Western artists. Ilayaraaja should have been the richest music composer in the world for having composed record number of albums than any one else, but the truth is different. Rahman was one of the first composers to strictly enforce IPRS royalty payment starting from his first film Roja. If I am right, Lahari records owns copyright for most of Ratnam's films and those guys have received payment from SPB and numerous others who have performed Rahman's songs in big concerts. Just two days ago, Bahubali 2 Telugu and Tamil music rights was sold to Lahari for Rs. 4.5 crores which is the highest amount paid in Indian film industry. Bahubali 1 audio rights was sold for Rs. 22.20 crores. Karan Johar's Dharma Productions own audio rights for Hindi version. Tulasiram Naidu of Lahari paid Rs.75 Lakhs in 1992 for Dhalapathi audio rights. SPB hardly sings "Sundari Kanaal" song in any international concert. Raaja is trying to get a legal framework in place for all future artists (playback singers, lyricists, music organizers and instrument players).

    Everyone knows that Rahman's father Shekhar died without much money to spare and his illness drove the family to poverty. Shekhar was the main music organizer for all Malayalam movie recordings in Madras. He was never paid his full dues for all the hard work that he did. Rahman's family should be given royalty for all Malayalam songs that Shekhar arranged to compose for Music Directors. Unfortunately IPRS has no such provision and organizers and singers don't get any royalty. This is the legal case that Raaja filed two years ago with Madras High court to seek royalty for all players involved in music album production. SPB and Charan should have sought Raaja's advice or legal opinion before starting a global tour. Each event in US is ticketed and prices start from $35 to $250 for SPB50 concert. All US concerts for SPB50 are held in medium sized sports arena to reduce staging fees. SPB is fully aware of legal ramifications of singing Raaja's songs in an international concert series. He has definitely paid royalty for all Rahman songs which he sings though he picks only 2-3 songs in every concert. People are blaming Karthik Raaja and Charan for this problem which is not entirely true. Also SPB should start acknowledging the composer, director and lyricist whenever he sings a song. SPB never mentions the creator of songs. He never mentioned Rahman, Raaja, Vidyasagar or MSV during his US concerts. He made sure that his own composition for KB's film "Sigaram" was mentioned. When KJY50 function was conducted in Kochi in 2012, the organizers made sure that Music Director, Lyricist, Director and Year of release of the album was prominently displayed in the projection screen. Moreover KJY invited all composers to his 50th anniversary function. SPB50 function did not have such arrangement.

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    Rajsekar,
    I am sorry you started out saying lets not attaqch Raaja and SPB regarding this issue and by the end of your post, you inadvertantly put the blame on SPB for this issue!.Let us be very clear on this.
    Is Raaja justified in taking a stand on royalty?
    Absolutely Yes!
    Is SPB and the organizers at fault for not taking permissions from Raaja before the tour?
    Absolutely Yes!

    Does Raaja's legal action towards his friend SPB in the middle of this 50th year, without even talking to him, justified?
    Absolutely Not.

    Raaja's royalty issue happened 2 years ago and various other concerts of SPB has happened in those two years. Then suddenly this. Tell me there is more than the royalty issue at work here.

    For all those needing a clarity on the royalty issue, here is a few pointers on how it works in india.
    For songs:
    Copy write : 50% Producer/25% Music director/ 25% Lyricist. Things in India changed in 2012 with singers demanding a portion of the copywrite.
    For back ground score:
    Belongs to the author : (In this case the music director)

    Raaja tried to get copywrite waived off from the producers and lyric writers for 600 of his films. The producers had sold the rights to the music companies. That is why this is still in court litigation. Raaja currently cannot prove that he holds all rights to the movies he composed. That is why he doesnt get all the money from FM channels/ Mobile downloads/Television songs... He gets his due of the 25% from IPRS which he claimed that they were only paying him 13 lakhs a year and he wanted people to pay him directly. But raaja doesnt want money from people who cannot afford to pay. This makes things very complicated. He only wants money from people who make a lot of money from this.This is very hard to implement with picking and choosing. Tracking the exact amount of raaja songs sung in light music events or FM channels in india will take light years to track down. So IPRS probably will work on getting a fixed amount and go after the big concerts.

    Anyways there is nothing much to prod now.. the damage is done by both ... one feigning ignorance to the law.. and the other one who felt that friendship can go to hell... and here we are trying to lick our wounds and say one day things will be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloshed View Post
    Thozhar
    I read his tweet and there is nothing even remote to taking sides in that tweet. Your post was more alarmingly discriminatory talking about andhra and "nammavar". There is no politics at play here and let's leave it that. There are genuinely concerned fans of both that are shocked by the current situation . You cannot simple seperate these two. If you love spb, you love raaja as well. Just like one cannot love raaja and not love Janaki. I am no one to dictate how these two should have handled things but what I can say with utmost humility is that this is simply not the way . What a sad few days that this has been even though it has nothing to do with my life. That's how this decision has affected music lovers or raaja devotees. Splitting up with vairamuthu was a professional decision which we were totally fine with, but this one with a friend of more than 40 years may even hurt us more than two involved.
    இதை பற்றி மைய அரசின் அமைச்சர் கருத்து கூறுவதே தேவையற்றது என்று தான் நான் கூறினேன். இதில் அவர் யாரையும் ஆதரித்து கருத்து தெரிவிக்கவில்லை என்று கூறுவது வெறும் சப்பைகட்டு. நாட்டில் வேறு பிரச்சனையே இல்லையா? அப்படி இருக்க இதை பற்றி ஏன் கருத்து கூறவேண்டும். அதன் உள்ளர்த்தம் என்ன? அதுவும் தமிழகத்தில் தமிழருக்கு எதிரான பல சதிகள் அரங்கேறிக்கொண்டிருக்கும் இவ்வேளையில்?

    என் கருத்தை நீங்கள் எப்படி வேண்டுமானாலும் எடுத்துக் கொள்ளலாம். அது உங்கள் விருப்பம். வெங்கையா நாயுடு இதை பற்றி கருத்து தெரிவித்ததற்கு உள்ளர்த்தம் உள்ளது என்பதை மறுக்கவோ மறைக்கவோ முடியாது.

    If you love spb, you love raaja as well. Just like one cannot love raaja and not love Janaki.

    அப்படி எல்லாம் ஒன்றும் கட்டாயம் இல்லை. எனக்கு இராஜா எஸ்.பி.பி இருவரையும் பிடிக்கும், ஜானகியை விட மற்ற பல பாடகிகளை பிடிக்கும்.

    எஸ்.பி.பி இராஜாவை விட கங்கை அமரனுக்கு தான் நெருங்கிய நண்பர் என்பது உங்களுக்கு தெரியுமா. கங்கை அமரன் இராஜாவின் சகோதரர் என்றாலும் அவர் தான் இராஜாவை எல்லா ஊடகங்களிலும் தாளித்து கொண்டிருக்கிறார். இராஜா அதற்கு பதிலளிக்காமல் இருப்பது இந்த வீண் கருத்துகளுக்கு பதிலளித்து அவற்றுக்கு மதிப்பளிக்க கூடாது என்றுதான். இப்போதும் கங்கை அமரன் தான் வரிந்து கட்டிக் கொண்டு எஸ்.பி.பி பக்கம் பேசுகிறார். இராஜா எஸ்.பி.பியோடு பேசினாரா இல்லையா என்பது நமக்கு தெரியாது. ஆனால் இதை எஸ்.பி.பி சமூக வலைதளங்களுக்கு கொண்டு செல்லாமல் இருந்திருக்கலாமே? அவர் இராஜாவை தொடர்பு கொண்டு பேசியிருக்கலாமே. ஏன் இதை பொது பிரச்சனையாக்க முயல வேண்டும். நட்பின் இலக்கணமாக இராஜாதான் இருக்க வேண்டுமா? எஸ்.பி.பி இருக்க கூடாதா?

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    இராஜ்சேகர் அவர்கள் கூறுவது முற்றிலும் சரி. இரஹ்மான் வந்த பிறகு தான் இசையமைப்பாளர்களுக்கு நியாயமாக கிடைக்க வேண்டிய இசை உரிமை பற்றிய புரிதல் உண்டானது. ஒரு படத்திற்கு இசையமைத்து அதன் மூலம் கிடைக்கும் ஊதியத்தின் மூலம் ஒரு இசையமைப்பாளர் அந்த பட அதிபருக்கு அவர் படத்தில் அந்த இசையை பயன்படுத்த அனுமதி தருகிறார். ஆனால் அந்த இசை என்ற அறிவுப் பொருள் (ஐ.பி) அதை உருவாக்கிய இசையமைப்பாளருக்கே சொந்தமானது. பாடலாசிரியர், பாடகர்கள், இசை கருவி வல்லுனர்கள், ஒலி பொறியாளர் அனைவரும் ஒரு பாடலுக்காக உழைத்தாலும், ஒரு இசையமைப்பாளர் இல்லாமல் அந்த பாடலே இல்லை. அவரது அறிவின் மூலம் உருவான இசைக்கு அவரே சொந்தக்காரர். இராஜா மட்டும் இதை முன்பே செய்திருந்தால் அவர் பெரும் செல்வந்தர் ஆகியிருப்பார். இதை ஒரு முறை இரஹ்மானே கூறினார். என்ன காரணமோ இராஜாவிற்கு அதன் மேல் ஆர்வம் இல்லை. நான் முன்பே கூறியது போல இப்போது கூட இதை செய்வது கார்த்திக் இராஜாவாக இருக்கலாம். அது உண்மையாக இருந்தாலும் அவரை நான் குறை கூறவில்லை. அவர் செய்வது முற்றிலும் சரியே.

    ஏன் இதை எஸ்.பி.பியின் ஐம்பதாவது ஆண்டு விழாவின் போது கொண்டு வர வேண்டும் என்றால், அவர் இப்போது தான் இவ்வளவு பிரம்மாண்டமான ஒரு இசை நிகழ்ச்சி நடத்துகிறார். விளம்பரம் செய்பவர்கள் எஸ்.பி.பியின் ஐம்பதாவது ஆண்டு என்று கூறி கல்லா கட்டுகின்றனர். அதில் ஒரு பகுதியை நியாயப்படி இராஜாவிற்கு கொடுப்பதில் என்ன பிரச்சனை?

    எஸ்.பி.பியின் ஐம்பத்தி ஓராம் ஆண்டு என்று கூறி அடுத்த ஆண்டு விளம்பரம் செய்தார்கள் என்றால், அப்போதும் கூட இந்த பிரச்சனை வந்திருக்கும். என்னவோ எஸ்.பி.பியின் ஐம்பதாவது ஆண்டில் பிரச்சனை செய்ய வேண்டும் என்றே செய்வது போல் அல்லவா இருக்கிறது சிலர் கூறுவது.

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    Rajsekar,
    I am sorry you started out saying lets not attaqch Raaja and SPB regarding this issue and by the end of your post, you inadvertantly put the blame on SPB for this issue!.Let us be very clear on this.
    Is Raaja justified in taking a stand on royalty?
    Absolutely Yes!
    Is SPB and the organizers at fault for not taking permissions from Raaja before the tour?
    Absolutely Yes!

    Does Raaja's legal action towards his friend SPB in the middle of this 50th year, without even talking to him, justified?
    Absolutely Not.

    Raaja's royalty issue happened 2 years ago and various other concerts of SPB has happened in those two years. Then suddenly this. Tell me there is more than the royalty issue at work here.

    For all those needing a clarity on the royalty issue, here is a few pointers on how it works in india.
    For songs:
    Copy write : 50% Producer/25% Music director/ 25% Lyricist. Things in India changed in 2012 with singers demanding a portion of the copywrite.
    For back ground score:
    Belongs to the author : (In this case the music director)

    Raaja tried to get copywrite waived off from the producers and lyric writers for 600 of his films. The producers had sold the rights to the music companies. That is why this is still in court litigation. Raaja currently cannot prove that he holds all rights to the movies he composed. That is why he doesnt get all the money from FM channels/ Mobile downloads/Television songs... He gets his due of the 25% from IPRS which he claimed that they were only paying him 13 lakhs a year and he wanted people to pay him directly. But raaja doesnt want money from people who cannot afford to pay. This makes things very complicated. He only wants money from people who make a lot of money from this.This is very hard to implement with picking and choosing. Tracking the exact amount of raaja songs sung in light music events or FM channels in india will take light years to track down. So IPRS probably will work on getting a fixed amount and go after the big concerts.

    Anyways there is nothing much to prod now.. the damage is done by both ... one feigning ignorance to the law.. and the other one who felt that friendship can go to hell... and here we are trying to lick our wounds and say one day things will be ok.
    SPB 50 is not a charity show, he is getting heavily paid for doing that.

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