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    ராஜா சாருக்கு ஆந்திர அரசு நந்தி விருதை இன்று அறிவித்துள்ளது.

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    ராஜா சாருக்கு என்ன ஆயிற்று? யார் ஆலோசனையில் இப்படி எல்லாம் செய்கிறார்? அவர் அறிவில் பிறந்தவை தான் அவர் பாடல்கள் அனைத்தும், சந்தேகமே இல்லை.
    அதனால் அந்த ஐயாயிரத்து சொச்சம் பாடல்களையும் அவரே பாடி,அவரே வாத்தியங்கள் இசைத்து அத்தனையும் அமைத்திருக்க வேண்டியது தானே? ஊர் கூடி தேர் இழுத்து தான் இவர் சிந்தனையை உலகெங்கும் கொண்டு சேர்த்திருக்கிறார்கள் என்பதை ஏன் இவர் ஏற்க மறுக்கிறார்?
    அவருக்கு இப்போது குறைச்சல்? தேவைக்கு மேல் புகழும் செல்வமும் அமைந்த பிறகு ஏன் இப்படி எல்லாம் காப்புரிமை பற்றி பிதற்றுகிறார்? நம்மை போன்றவர்களே முகம் சுழிக்கும் அளவுக்கு இருக்கிறதே? இது மாதிரியான செயல் அவருக்கு அவப்பெயர் ஏற்படுத்தும் என்று அவருக்கே தெரிய வேண்டாமா?

    இது நல்லதுக்கென்று எனக்கு படவில்லை. மன்னிக்கவும் ராஜா சார், இதை நான் சற்றும் எதிர் பார்க்கவில்லை. உங்கள் பெயரில் எங்கேயோ தவறு நடந்திருக்கிறது. யாரால் என்று தான் தெரியவில்லை.

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    I am not surprised by Raaja's decision to send a legal notice to SPB50 concert tour of US. Last week I happened to attend SPB50 concert where SP Charan, Chitra, Sailaja and SPB rendered several songs from Ilayaraaja, Rahman, MSV and Vidyasagar compositions. Not even once did SPB or Charan mention or acknowledge the composer's or lyricist's names. SPB made sure that when Charan sang "Agaram Ippo" song from the movie "Sigaram" he acknowledged that he was the composer of the movie and KJY sang the song. Rahman has sent similar notices to many concert groups and event organizers to get proper copyright authorization before playing his songs.

    Unfortunately, India has weak copyright laws and rights for media owners. In US and UK, the songs/ albums are copyright owned by label owners like Sony and Universal. Raaja tried to enforce this many years ago when he owned Echo Records. There were big fights with AVM over audio rights of Raaja's platinum hits which were released by AVM. I believe AGI now owns all albums released after year 2000. SPB should have received copyright authorization from all album/ song owners before he embarked on a world tour. A song is a team work of film director, lyricist, composer and playback singer. Everyone should get compensated for the profits that they get. MSV had financial trouble after his son lost money in several bad movie productions. MSV did not get royalty payments for all his super duper hit songs. There are other Indian music directors who died as a pauper including RD Burman and Chandrabose. They never set up proper copyright enforcement to get royalties for their songs. All the TV music competitions and concerts in India who freely render film songs never pay any royalty to the owners and composers. Raaja's decision is to be welcomed and it has taken so many years for him to enforce it. SPB50's US concert without Raaja's songs will be similar to having Sambhar without Paripu. He still has five US cities to cover for next four weeks. Yesterday he completed San Jose concert - not sure whether it's Tamil or Telugu. I agree with Rajaram that it's a big disappointment for Raaja's fans. I was on cloud nine listening to SPB rendering some of Raaja's hits.

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    Raaja's legal notice to SPB50 concert has kicked off a big social media ruckus. Just now SPB has apologized to his fans in his Facebook page to not make this a big issue with Ilayaraaja. It appears that yesterday SPB50 Telugu concert in San Jose did not have any Raaja's songs. Today is Tamil concert of SPB50 in San Jose. Why did SPB not think of getting copyright permission from Raaja before starting a global tour? All these years crores of people have illegally downloaded Raaja's songs without paying any money. Under international copyright law, the creator(s) of the song including Lyricist, Composer and singer should get royalty whenever the media is rendered in any concert, played in radio/ TV or sung in a public performance. I feel bad that this happened while SPB50 US tour is just starting.

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    http://www.thenewsminute.com/article...tant-tnm-58868

    Singers are minting money, composer doesn’t get 1 rupee’: Ilaiyaraaja’s consultant to TNM
    Ilayaraja is right to ask for royalty. Experts explain why.

    Music director Ilaiyaraaja’s decision to send singers SP Balasubrahmanyam (SPB), Chitra and Charan legal notices over performing his compositions has taken many by surprise. While SPB took to Facebook to say that he did not get any “feelers” from the music composer when his SPB50 tour in America began and that he is “ignorant” of the law, many others wondered if there was more to the legal notice.

    Speaking to The News Minute, Ilaiyaraaja’s copyrights consultant E Pradeep Kumar says, “People have misunderstood the issue. Ilaiyaraaja has given two press meets in the last few years telling people not to perform his songs unless they get permission from him and pay royalty. It is not anything new. SPB has created a situation where a legal notice had to be sent.”

    Pradeep argues that the famed music director has devoted over 35 years of his life in composing pieces and the royalties that he deserves to receive are not being paid. He, however, adds. “We are not compelling orchestras or musicians who are surviving on Ilaiyaraaja’s music to pay up royalties. We are only concentrating on people who are earning lakhs or crores by using his creations. SPB is not doing charity shows. They are minting money and the composer doesn’t get 1 rupee. It his work and creation.”

    With Ilaiyaraaja holding the copyright to many of his songs, Pradeep observes that SPB should have taken the music director’s permission prior to commencing his SPB50 tour, which kicked off in Toronto last August. “They are friends. He could have spoken to Ilaiyaraaja and gotten rights to perform.”

    He also points out that the composer never seeks a percentage of the revenue generated from the shows. “There is flexibility. We are saying you tell us how much you want to pay. You have to ask for permission and pay a royalty. But no one is willing to pay even 1 rupee. People want to utilise him free of cost,” says Ilaiyaraaja’s copyright consultant.

    In 2015, the music maestro had warned radio stations and television channels of legal action if they played his songs without his consent.

    “Only I hold the right to all my songs. The agreements that I signed back in the day were valid only for five years. Since they were not renewed and no royalties have been paid, all agreements stand void,” Ilaiyaraaja said in 2015. He had also gone on to say that he would share the royalties he received from these broadcasters with the film producer, singers and lyricists.

    Weighing in on the legal tussle, Swaroop Mamidipudi, an advocate practicing in copyright law says, “Ilaiyaraaja is right to ask the SPB for royalty, presuming he owns the musical work. The singer doesn’t have the copyright. Under law, he should get the composer’s permission, pay royalty and then perform.”

    Swaroop explains that there are two copyrights – one for the musical work and another for sound recording. “When a person composes a work, he owns the piece of music. And when it is recorded, the music producer owns the recording,” he points out. When it comes to live performances, however, consent is required from the composer rather than the music label.

    A singer, who wished to remain anonymous, told TNM that it is normal practice for organisers to seek permission from composers for their musical works before a concert. “Every time a concert is organised, the event organiser is supposed to take a list of songs. Also, I think every channel, when they organise a reality show, when these kids sing a song, they take a list. They pay a royalty. It’s a small fee they have to pay for all these songs and they pay. It’s the same with radio stations. They pay a certain amount to audio labels or to composers, who every holds the copyright or Intellectual Property for the song,” the singer said.

    The singer points out that unlike many music composers in India, AR Rahman owns the complete Intellectual Property to his compositions, allowing him to reproduce his musical works in different languages. But notes that music directors like AR Rahman are a rarity in India.

    “The system has always been that a composer creates the tunes and gives it to the audio label, for lock, stock and perpetuity, and all these contracts come into place. A composer then isn’t in a position to reuse his own composition. It actually puts him in a disadvantage because he has signed it off to the audio label and he cannot even use his own compositions on stage. So, technically an audio label can sue a music director if he performs it on stage. Which is why you see composers like Shankar Mahadevan - even if they have sung for others, they don’t pick up those songs and sing it on stage. It is a humongous problem,” observes the singer.

    Swaroop points out that in that the 1970s and the 1980s music producers would buy the musical copyright from composers. Having begun his career in the late 1970s, Ilaiyaraaja never received royalties being unaware of his rights. “It is only recently that he gained knowledge about his musical copyright,” says a source close to Ilaiyaraaja.

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    விளக்கத்திற்கு நன்றி ராஜசேகர்.

    காப்புரிமையில் இருக்கும் பாடல்களை வைத்து துட்டு பார்ப்பவர்களுக்கு ஆப்பு வைப்பதில் தவறில்லை. ஆனால் பாலு பிரச்னையை திசை திருப்பி விட்டு விட்டார். முகநூல் பகுதியில் அவர் விளக்கவுரைக்கு இரையாகி ராஜா சாரின் பெயர் ரிப்பேர் ஆகி விட்டதென்னவோ உண்மை. .


    பிரச்சனையின் காரணத்துக்கு கார்த்திக்ராஜாவை கை காட்டுகிறார்கள். இந்த காப்புரிமை தான் கார்த்திக்கின் வருமானம். பட வாய்ப்பில்லாமல் இருக்கும் கார்த்திக்ராஜா கம்ப்யூட்டர் ப்ரோக்ராமிங்/கோஆர்டினேஷன் என்கிற ஒரு காரணம் காட்டி ராஜா சார் இசை அமைக்கும் படங்களில் எல்லாம் தனியாக கல்லா கட்டிவிடுவதாக ஒரு குற்றச்சாட்டு இருக்கிறது. ராஜா சார் விழித்து கொள்ளவேண்டும். எத்தனையோ படங்களுக்கு சம்பளம் வாங்காமல் வேலை செய்ததாகவும், கொடுத்த கூலி ரெக்கார்டிங் செலவுக்கு கூட போதாமல் கை காசு போட்டு நீங்கள் முடித்து கொடுத்தீர்கள் என்று கேள்வி பட்டிருக்கிறோம். இப்போது எதற்கு இந்த கூத்து? உங்களுக்கு இது இழுக்கு அய்யா..

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    Gangai Amaran's fiery attack on Raaja once again.




    Gangai Amaran has no clue on how music copyright is handled. He should talk to Rahman or other composers from Hindi film world on music royalty. No one knows the real reason behind this legal notice to SPB50 organizers. SP Charan is the key person to organize this world tour and Charan had several court cases and arrest warrants against non-payment of money as movie producer. This world concert was organized to generate some income. There appears to be a deep rooted problem behind this legal notice from Raaja. As Rajaram mentioned, music lovers will have to weigh their options on how to treat this problem between SPB and Ilayaraaja.

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