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Topic started by Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.226.8.149) on Wed Mar 17 02:37:23 EST 2004.




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ukw,

hope You didnt misconstrue me and thanx :=)

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Not at all! ))))

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My doctor sister shares with me her concern over the reckless pattern of clinical practice EVERYWHERE. My children & their spouses (my 1st daughter-in-law's father & brother are doctors) love to sit into the night at the rare get-togethers at our place discussing all technical books & movies. Robin Cook & Michael Christen are among our favourites. We rue together the unethical practices in the medical field, the world over.Of course I realise in all humility that I have to go a long way yet to go to improve my "half-baked knowledge". What else are we going to do the rest of our lives? LEARN!LEARN!LEARN!People like me with "little knowledge" shall take the back seat letting people bursting with knowledge do the speculating, embarrassing etc etc etc!!! Ah! I remember to my solace, my microwave manual says "it is better to be under-cooked than over-cooked"! HA!Ha!HA! By that standard I seem to be the BETTER one!!!

More seriously, Srimangai, I know "The Hindu" which is a prestigious newspaper here in TAmil NAdu has limited circulation in your place. I read the article in today's Hindu. For your clarification, I reproduce here more from the report:

"The British drug giant GlaxoSmithKline is embroiled in the scandal. The firm sponsored experiments on the children from Incarnation Children's Centre, a New York care home that specialises in treating HIV sufferers and is run by Catholic charities.
The children had either been infected with HIV or born to HIV-positive mothers. Their parents were dead, untraceable or deemed unfit to look after them. According to documents, Glaxo has sponsored at least four medical trials since 1995 using Hispanic & black children at Incarnation. The documents give details of all clinical trials in the U.S. and reveal the experiments sponsored by Glaxo were designed to test the "safety and tolerance" of AIDS medications, some of which have potentially dangerous side effects. Glaxo manufactures a number of drugs designed to treat HIV, including AZT.
Normally trials on children would require parental consent but, as the infants are in care, New York's authorities hold that role.
The city health department has launched an investigation into claims that more than 100 children at Incarnation were used in 36 experiments - at least four co-sponsored by Glaxo. Some of these trials were designed to test the 'toxicity' of AIDS medications. One involved giving children as young as four a high-dosage cocktail of seven drugs at one time. Another looked at the reaction in six-month-old babies to a double dose of measles vaccine. Most experiments were funded by federal agencies like the NAtional Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Until now Glaxo's role had not emerged.
In 1997 an experiment co-sponsored by Glaxo used children from Incarnation to "obtain tolerance, safety and pharmacokinetic" data for Herpes drugs. In a more recent experiment, the children were used to test AZT. A third experiment sponsored by Glaxo and the U.S.drug firm Pfizer investigated the "long-term safety" of anti-bacterial drugs on three-month-old babies. The medical establishment has defended the trials arguing they enabled these children to obtain state-of-the-art therapy they would otherwise not have received for potentially fatal illnesses.
However, health campaigners argue there is a difference between providing latest drugs and experimentation. They claim many of the experiments were "phase 1 trials" - among the most risky - and that HIV tests for babies were not a reliable indicator of actual infection and therefore toxic drugs could have been given to healthy infants. HIV drugs are similar to those used in chemotherapy and can have serious side effects.
Vera Sharav, president of the Alliance for Human Research Protection, said the children had been treated like "laboratory animals"..

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PP:

I dont even think we have the RIGHT to expt on HEALTHY ANIMALS?

Wh gave the RIGHT to do THAT? I ask myself and others those who call that as SACRIFICE.

All I am saying is the LAW is much better in WEST and THERE is no CHILD-LABOR in WEST and so they do not need to take MOVIES like KUTTY.

We are definitely not better than them. Did you ever heard of Dr. Manorama of Madurai who was arrested for stealing kidneys? It never happened in west to my knowledge at least.

Why do you think we are better as far as HuMAN RIGHTS are concerned?

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*health campaigners argue there is a difference between providing latest drugs and experimentation.*

They "ARGUE"


*They claim many of the experiments were "phase 1 trials" - among the most risky - and that HIV tests for babies were not a reliable indicator of actual infection and therefore toxic drugs could have been given to healthy infants.*

They "CLAIM"


*HIV drugs are similar to those used in chemotherapy and can have serious side effects. *

I think it is "UNTRUE"

*children had been treated like "laboratory animals"..*

Why is that Healthy ANIMALS are CHEAP?

I dont think God made them for the HUMAN USE as people claim.

PP: Everything is debatable here. I am sure Smithkline-Glaxo is not that STUPID enough to do some illegal thing and run into trouble because they dont want LOSE their MONEY and bring down their STOCK-Price and,

it is all about MONEY and not about humanity here! That is how things work in West, unfortunately.

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*Of course I realise in all humility that I have to go a long way yet to go to improve my "half-baked knowledge". What else are we going to do the rest of our lives? LEARN!LEARN!LEARN!People like me with "little knowledge" shall take the back seat letting people bursting with knowledge do the speculating, embarrassing etc etc etc!!*

I used the terms like *half-backed knowledge and little knowledge* in order to criticize Sudhakar's *poor SPECULATION about GENO and his IP.*

Just for your clarification.

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Actually I shouldn't condescend to answer people who use objectionable, indecent & unfair language. Riding high on a bunch of prejudices, lording over the place, making rash & untrue comments drags down this thread to the level of some other filth-filled threads.TN's "naiyaaNdi" was enjoyable & its implication very much relevant. Everyone is entitled to his opinions.A philanthropic person like Suresh need not imagine a depressed woman's tale-unpardonable accusation, passed by without objection for the sake of utmost forbearance. Now, it is gentlemanly Srimangai who gets abused.( I doubt if he has ever visited some of those notoriously reeking threads!)
Hello, everybody here, dont take law into your hands!For your kind information,if you cant conduct yourself with civility, if you must arrogantly throw to winds all norms of decent discussion, you are succeeding in making yourselves laughing-stocks & pure nuisances.Your profound "wisdom" & full-baked knowledge dont give you the liberty to say anything, to anybody. We are here to seek solutions to the rampant social evils around us with genuine concern. We are not blind to facts, are not ignorant of what is happening around us, under our noses & across the globe. Cant you see we are really disturbed-"intelligently" & "altruistically"? This is a public forum for discussions & not a "mIn santhai"!

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Good to see the number of participants increasing

I must first second PP's above statement !! Personal attacks and uncivilised words by the people who mostly talk and think about "civilized" culture has to be totally avoided if we are genuine in keeping this thread alive. Further please do not try to make any personal remarks or attacks based on what's happening else where or how a person behaves elsewhere. And please remeber that every one cannot agree or rather 'jAlrA adichufy', with a particular person's view all the time just because they are friends or belong to a particular group. Once we start discussing on a particualr topic we must try to consider ourselves completely NEW and go on talking with an open mind without having any pre conceived ideas or opninions. If that's not there , then we cannot see any healthy and valuable discussions. 'COMPARATIVELY' people like Suresh, Shakthi and Akil ( we miss him a lot) have that kind of a mentality and I really appreciate that ( no offense meant on others please).

geno,
Hats off for that wonderful post which listed out all kind of injustice shown towards women. I agree with your views 100%. But it's better and useful if we could look into those problems on a case by case basis rather than bringing in to justify or oppose another problem.


>>And what do the city-living culture saviours do????!!!

Cry wolf over "live-ins"!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm bedazzled for words!!!! >>


IMHO, I think that was completely unnecesssary and was kind of RUDE. Especially the term "crying wolf". You clearly know that we were discussing on 'live-in' and that's why we were talking about it. It's simple as that. If the topic had been the "injustice towards women" then we would have been glad to speak about it. And remember when the homo sexual issue was braught in you were not happy about it because you thought it was a different issue which was not relevant to the topic that we were discussing. I whole heartedly agree with that and when you made a request to leave the "homo sexual" matter alone, we all respected your view and stopped discussing on it any further. I still do not understand what made you say "cryin-wolf". Sorry I'm really hurt .
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