MS Dhoni - The most successful captain of India

http://newindianexpress.com/cricket/...icle539694.ece

Dhoni has the backing of Dravid..........

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Dravid argues that the debacle in England and Australia was a collective failure.

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everyone is talking about team, players, collective success, failure and Dravid coming openly in support of Dhoni means the team is split wide open..........Dhoni's image probably grew bigger than the team which must rubbed off delhi camp in wrong places.......

if BCCI has semblance of any management authority should either sack Dhoni camp or Delhi-6 camp - i cant imagine how gauti and dhoni can even see each other in dressing room.......

Wall is covering for IC :lol: seniors/Dilli gang are not keen on Dhoni's new mangager/ex-Ranji Player/benami..who is touted to be the most powerful guy in Indian cricket after Seenu Maama and even a player was picked solely on his pressure for India A tour of Windies and was later dropped owing to fitness.The benami company does the marketing/merchandising for CSK and this guy can be seen on all CSK matches...No idea how this guy got hooked to Dhoni and wielding so much power.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...yer/32688.html

Dravid is employed by Seenu mama. Why, recently, he flew down to a SOS by Seenu mama in the palayampatti shield final, turning out for ijay CC.

It is futile blaming the dilli camp alone - it could be that Dhoni with his poor outside-the-comfort-zone personal performances, including a pathetic tour of England as a keeper, and an almost equally below-par on to Australia, has lost his respect in the team, atleast among the senior, establishe dones. Now, you could question Viru, Gauti etc what they tore outside sub continent but in their minds, they have past performances outside the sub continent while Dhoni has barely any.

Unfortunately, luck is ccming a full circle for Dhoni. A loss against England in India in this year's test tour will be the nadir. It has to be seen if Dhoni and/or Seenu mAma survive that calamity.

Having said that, it is true that Dhoni cant be blamed much for the 8-0 just as he doenst deserve much credit for the #1 ranking. Basically, the #1 ranking came from a black swan performance by the big 4 batsmen and before that, Kumble and Bhajji's sa;ad days. Dhoni, usually in the right place at the right time, ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time this time.

Very well said. Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Having said that, it is true that Dhoni cant be blamed much for the 8-0 just as he doenst deserve much credit for the #1 ranking. Basically, the #1 ranking came from a black swan performance by the big 4 batsmen and before that, Kumble and Bhajji's sa;ad days. Dhoni, usually in the right place at the right time, ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time this time.

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Plum, Ashwin skippers Vijay CC..Seenu Maama is closely following our discussion :-)

With Saha showing his mettle with the bat in India A tour..yam hoping Dhoni saves the trouble and retires from tests to prolong his successful Odi career...to captain the national for 5 yrs with burden of wkt keeping is too taxing..he has seen the highs and lows of Indian cricket has to offer in a span of 6 months..about time we moved onto a new leader.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Dravid is employed by Seenu mama. Why, recently, he flew down to a SOS by Seenu mama in the palayampatti shield final, turning out for ijay CC.

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if i remember right, Sehwag, gambhir are not in good books of delhi heavy weights Arun Jaitley either........its even more worrying if BCCi head is battling with couple of hot heads in the team with a retired player's help....its like my CEO is trying to protect me with some of our ex employees instead of sacking me or the other guys.........if IPL is influencing so many things - thatha batting for gauti, ding maama batting for thoni with help of indiranagar indian - the god save test cricket in India.....

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Originally Posted by Plum

It is futile blaming the dilli camp alone - it could be that Dhoni with his poor outside-the-comfort-zone personal performances, including a pathetic tour of England as a keeper, and an almost equally below-par on to Australia, has lost his respect in the team, atleast among the senior, establishe dones. Now, you could question Viru, Gauti etc what they tore outside sub continent but in their minds, they have past performances outside the sub continent while Dhoni has barely any.

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outside comfort zone - nobody has done well.....gauti, sehwag ellam solli solli thookirukkaanga in SA, Aus, Eng......but you are right, the grumbling must have been there from Dhoni's successful days and they seldom have any avenue to vent their opinions - srikanth maama, pawar, dingu maama are not going to hear anything against thoni.......they have history of bring DDCA to their knees for some days and its turn of BCCI....

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Originally Posted by Plum

Unfortunately, luck is ccming a full circle for Dhoni. A loss against England in India in this year's test tour will be the nadir. It has to be seen if Dhoni and/or Seenu mAma survive that calamity.

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luck - i know this is the pet peeve for all people who want to see dhoni's scalp.............im sure gauti and sehwag dont think any different.......its imbibed in psyci of many people that whatever he got is due to his luck and has got more than what he deserves even after he has done so much.......

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Originally Posted by wizzy

With Saha showing his mettle with the bat in India A tour..yam hoping Dhoni saves the trouble and retires from tests to prolong his successful Odi career...to captain the national for 5 yrs with burden of wkt keeping is too taxing..he has seen the highs and lows of Indian cricket has to offer in a span of 6 months..about time we moved onto a new leader.

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its been almost 6 yrs of captaincy and one of the formats must be taken away from Dhoni - its been too much for thala.......add this to IPL and must perform pressure from dingu maama for past 5 yrs.......but when u ask for dhoni's head in keeper's post, u r asking for the steepest punishment for any top rung player........even ur fav gilchrist and my fav mark boucher have had couple of bad away series.......i cant see anyone except healy having so much consistency.......and saha is no healy - dinesh karthik madhiri waste-a pogaama, konja naal groom panni kondu varalaam........he must be phased in

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Originally Posted by Plum

Dhoni, usually in the right place at the right time, ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time this time.

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world cup final in front of home crowd, chasing 275 with sachin and sehwag out in pavillion......yes, right place and right time dhaan :lol:

now if team wins series against england - "dingu maama buys ECB" allegations will come up with some make my trip ticket and hotel booking details of swann or strauss.......

Maddy, I would cut some slack on Dhoni the batsman in tests overseas and asking your wkt keeper to hold fort in batting after 2 days of Keeping/top order failing every single time is pushing it a tad..Dhoni unlike Gilly/Boucher was never a natural wkt keeper and he was chosen when the likes of Parthiv/D(k) were proven to be a liability in keeping. Dhoni was deemed 'safe' wkt keeper and it worked out like dream when you throw in his captaincy/butchering attacks on subcontinental conditions.

He was a safe option even in India's tour of Eng/OZ '07 but now his wkt keeping skills has deteriorated and started to hurt our newbie test bowling attack. Its already been well established how Dhoni never fancies keeping up to quickies and prefers to stay way back which wrecks our slip catching+his hesitancy in stretching his lower back whilst going for those in-between catches to first slip..we are looking at a serious liability in wkt keeping. Dhoni for reasons unknown never goes through the wkt keeping drills so I can't see his wkt keeping skills improving to warrant a place in the test side.

When Gilly's wkt keeping skills started to wane in our 2007 series he called it quits before the selectors could raise a finger..Gilly unlike Dhoni still goes through the drills and his reflexes are good when you consider his age but keeping against quickies in tests is a completely different challenge..same is the case with Boucher who is a gun wkt keeper for starters and whatever he does with the bat is secondary.

Whatever I said on Dhoni's wkt keeping skills stands true for his captaincy too..he is a damn good skipper in subcontinental conditions and more than willing to attack with an array of spinners at a semblance of a chance and knows when to hold back/defend but does neither and comes out a cropper when given the same task overseas with seamers/pacers so I have reasons to believe that his wkt keeping skills has some bearing on the way he captains the side..he seems to be far more at ease against spinners which shows in captaincy in subcontinental conditions.