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One cannot dispute that MGR film songs are always popular. Is it because of the tune or lyrics or something else ?
Adhu onnum pramaadham illEnga. Aadhi kaalaththilirundhu
famous directors such as Sidhar, Bheemsingh,
Balachander, Bharathiraja, Shanker pannadhaiththaan
MGR-um panninaar. Adhaavadhu, avangalukku
pidichcha nalla MD-yai first select pannipputtu
appuram full satisfaction varra varaikkum MD-yaiyum
singers-aiyum pottu puzhinju edukkuradhu.
Avvalavudhaan. In the case of MGR (same with
famous producers such as AVM) it seems the
movie director first went to the MD, conveyed
the request for the songs and they made the
tunes; indha stage mudindha piraguthaan MGR
azhaikkap paduvaar. MGR potta tunes-kalai
ketka varuvaar: ellorum nagaththai kadichchuttu
tension-udan, avar enna sollap pOraarunnu
paaththittu iruppaanga. MGR paadhiyilE "chee
tune nallaa illE, marupadi vErE tune pOdunga"
endru sollittu gidu-gidunnu
ezhundhu walk-out pannuvadhu romba common endru
naan kELvippattirukkEn. MGR Films U.Su.Vaa
padaththirkku MSV patta kashtaththai oru
pEttiyil avar nallaa varNichchu irukkaar.
Mellisai Mannar-ai nallaa thittiyirukkaar
MGR indha pada music pOttappa! "Enna Viswanathan
ennOda kaalai vaari vittuduveenga pOlirukkE"
endru kooda sonnaaraam. Andha padam songs ellaam
pottu mudiththapin Mellisai Mannarai veettukku
azhaiththaaraam MGR; vandha MSV-yai katti
aNaichchukkittu MGR sonnaaraam: neenga indha
padaththukku pOttadhu ellaam vilai uyarndha
muththukkal; vERu yaarum enakku ippadi
pOttirukka mudiyaathu, endru. Sollivittu
kaiyil oru suitcase koduththaaraam. Veettukku
vandhu open panni paarththa MSV vaayai poLandhuttaar.
YEnnaa, avvalavu panaththai life-il avar paarththathE illai.
Ambuttudhaanga MGR padangalil paadalgal
hit aavadharkku kaaranam: MDs + singers-ai
pOttu puzhiyarathu; adhE samayaththil nallaa
pay-yum pannuradhu. Directors like Sridhar-um
idhE pOl thaan; "nenjam marappadhillai"
paattukku VR-aiyum, "poo maalaiyil Or malligai"
paattukku TMS-PS-aiyum evvalavu vElai vaanginaar
avar endru ellOrukkum theriyum. Adhellaam
andha kaalaththOda pOchchunnu ninaikkirEn. IppO
good music + hit songs is highly dependant on
whether the MD sets his mind or not; MDs don't
get kicked around by directors/actors/producers
anymore.
I should not be responding to this discussion since I have always beleived that Sivaji movie songs were of better material and class.
Aana yenner pandrathu - vaayeh vachikittu summa irukka mudiyileyei.
Most of MGR songs were motivational and about society at large.
And then off course there was his personality. Just like today when Rajni's fans go aha oho about the trashy songs from Arunachalam - MGR's songs just couldn't be wrong with his fans.
Apart from his strong influence, I think MGR had good tastes
for music. Ippa paarunga, Rajni-ukkum thaan nalla
influence irukku, but "Arunachalam" pada paadalgalai
kekka mudiyuthaa.. (Rajni, deva rasigargalE kobam vendaam.
Ithu en sontha karuthu.)
Nalla music taste ullavanga ippallam kuraichukitte varaanga.
Puthusaa vanthirukkaravangalla, Agathiyan-ukku nalla
rasanai irukku. Ennaa, deva kitterunthe (meendum mannika
deva rasigargal) nalla nalla paadalgalai vaangi vidugiraare!
MGR MDsai pilingi eppadi music vaanguvarunnu Shanker-Ganesh oru Int. "perumaya" sonnanga! (Pity those guys!) I think it was Idhaya Veenai!MGR tunes poda solli vovvoru tuna reject pannikitte vandharam! Evening varaikkum sumaar 100 tunes mudinthu vittadham! No signs of MGR selecting any of the 100 tunes! Guys S-G were almost pissed-off by MGRs behaviour! Now MGR gives the shock treatment! He suddenly asked S-G to play tune numbers 16, 45, 75, etc., once again. S-G & Co were immensely pleased. They finally thought they had hit the jackpot! MGR listened to those selected tunes and asked S-G to COMBINE all those tunes into one tune for just one song!!! Howzzat?
I don remember the song! But supposedly a hit in Ihdayaveenai! Could anyone recollect that song?!
Did S-G score music for MGR after that? I don think so!!!(Oru pattukku nooru tunna 5 pattukku 500 tune aache!!!)
S -G scored music for 'Naan Yen Piranthen' after IthayaVeenai. Both movies were produced by Manian.
The most often played songs from "Idhaya Veenai" are the TMS solo "Kashmir Beautiful Kashmir" and the TMS-PS duet "Ponn Andhi Maalai Pozhudhu". The other song is "Thiru Nirai Selvi Mangayarkarasi". Which one of these is the combination of five tunes?
I think it was ponn andhi maalai. Let me know if there were changes in the song as regards the tune .
There is a TMS-Janaki song in Idhaya Veenai:
aanandham indru aanandham.
In response to Nammaooru:
I agree with you that Sivaji's films also had
excellent music; but this was because he acted
mostly under excellent directors and they made
sure that great tunes were made by the MDs.
If you take old movies acted by Sivaji under
vague directors, e.g., Anjal Petti 520 or some
such movies, there were no good songs in
them; and look at what happened in the movies
of Sivaji after 1978 or so: all were cheap makes
by vague producers and directors and no good
songs. On the other hand, even the last movie
of MGR (was it M.Meetta Su. Pandian) had
great hits. MGR made sure that all his movies
had great songs. Of course there are exceptions
(can we list a few?), but that happened because
MGR had agreed to act for some producer, but did
not have time to follow-up the music creation.
I fully agree with Rajaraman that MGR had a
very good taste for music.
I feel that MGR took more interest in the songs of the movie than Sivaji. I have read SPB telling that MGR waited for 3 months for SPB to get back from his illness and sing for him in '1000 nilavE vaa'. Sivaji, I think, does not take so much pains as far as the songs are concerned.
Moreover, we cannot compare Rajini and MGR as far as songs are concerned. Recently, Rajini songs are hit only because they are Rajini's songs. pEththal songs like 'kuluvaalilE', 'vidukadhaiyaa', 'nagumO' etc are listened by people only because of the Rajini factor.
But in MGR's case, the songs defenitely had a class by absolute standards. Songs from paNam padaiththavan, padagOtti, u. su. vaaliban would have been hit even otherwise.
I know Satya has taken Anjal Petti 520 as an example. But it has one good song - 10 16 muttham muttham by TMS. Also in the late 70's when Sivaji was giving flops one after another (Dr Siva, Utthaman, Ilaya thalimurai etc..
but some of these movies had some good songs) it was Deepam (MD IR) that resurrected his market. Deepam had 2 good songs - Andhapurathil oru maharani - TMS&SJ and Poovizhi vasalil - KJ&SJ and excellent BGM. After Deepam, Sivaji had some decent hits in Annan oru koil (MSV), Andhamaan Kadhali(MSV) and Thyagam(IR).
Ravi
Ravi:
I wouldn't rate "10-16 muththam muththam" as
"quite ordinary" only. Also, the movies that
you are mentioning acted by Shivaji are not
the ones that I was pointing out. I was
mentioning about those which came even
after, say after 1980 or so.
I remember Pattakathi Bairavan, in spite of the title, had some nice songs. What movies are you particularly refering to?
To Vadi Velu,
A couple of nice duets from PKB are
Davadha Oru devadhai - SPB&SJ
Engengo selleum - SPB & SJ
Some of the Sivaji movies released in the 80's
1. Dharmaraja
2. Sandhippu
3. Sangili
4. Mridanga Chakravarthy
5. Rishimoolam (a few good songs in there)
6. Thyagi
7. Amarakavyam (remake of Muquadar ka sikandhar - spelling?)
8. Pilot premnath (late 70's?)
9. Keezh vanam sivakkum
I'm not counting Mudhal mariyadhai. If these are the movies Sathya meant, then I fully agree with him. But MGR's last movie MMSPandiyan came in 1977. Wouldn't be fair to comapre films of these 2 people from a common period?
Ravi:
If you look at the later movies of Shivaji which
were made by vague directors (some you have
mentioned) they had poor songs; on the other hand
movies such as Mudhal Mariyaadhai had excellent
music. So there is my point: music in Shivaji
movies was mainly dependant on who the director
was! If you want some oldie-examples here are
some: Vilayaattu Pillai; Paadhugaappu; Iru Dhuruvam;
Arunodhayam; Anbai Thedi; En Magan. I don't
think they had any "great" songs.
S-G scored music for 'nERRu inRu naaLai' also. It had the famous - 'paadum pOthu naan thenRal kaaRRu'. I am not sure whether it had any other good numbers.
Ravi:
Netru Indru Naalai - MD is MSV.
hi hello vanakkam from this MGR fan
I am a youngster age22 but I have a great liking for the Oldies goldies especially MGR film songs
I think they are very very popular
I think MGR paid more attention to every aspect of his movie-especially songs.More over it was the effect of the so called -MGR formula -no lies,no nonsense about women,no drinking or bad activities in his role. every role,film and song had something to offer to a common man to stop and ponder about.
Partly this was also a political image created thro such good thoughts,roles and deeds.
whatever it may be the effect it created can never be reached by anything else.the mass appeal is so much
further kannadasan wrote the most number of lyrics and the were the best.the music scoring by most of the music directors were also excellent.
koduthadellam koduthaan avan yaarukaga koduthaan?
alai mel midhaka vittan
buddhan esu gandhi piranthathu
enna dhaan nadakum nadakatume
thaai mel aanai
moondrezhuthil en moochirukum
naan ungal veetu pillai
thaai illamal naan illai
adho andha paravai pola vazha vendum
kanpona pokkile kaal pogalama
etc etc ican fill up the whole website with it
everysong had a life,an inspiration,a theme,an advice,a warning, a subtle advice which any day anytime gives meaning on how one should lead a good life.
I guess and firmly believe all these things made them what they are.
Tamizh Panpukku Naan Adimai
If not for the great contributions to popular culture by the some of our greatest citizens, such as MGR, Sivarji, MSV, Raja and so many many others, I would not have become nostalgic of late about the profound nature of our great culture, that has a foundation laid perhaps hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
When I look at these performers once again with a more mature, multidimensional outlook I begin to realise why these great artistes are what they are. Truly some of the greatest representatives of our cutlure. Long live these performers.
One of my greatest Sankar-Ganesh songs and according to me easily one of the finest romantic songs of this century is the MGR song:
UNADHU VIZHIYIL YENADHU PARVAI, ULAGAI KANBADHU, yen idhayam onru.... (Comes from the movie : Naan Yen Pirandhen)
TMS has never poured his heart more elsewhere than in this most beautiful song that Sankar-Ganesh the greatest underrats of Tamil film music have produced.
Hats off to SANKAR-GANESH
Hey , Hey , Hey
Vanakkam, Vandanam, Namasthe , Namoshka?!
Dear MGR fans, nice chatting to
you about the EVER GREATEST MGR!
I have profound affection and utmost respect
to the legendary actor/director/CM . It is very
interesting to note that I have LIKE MINDED
people here LIKE Nitin Sridevan. I like 'Unadu
Vizhiyil ' the most of all songs I ever liked. In fact
I felt so romatinc when I was age 8 (I swear,
believe me!) when I listened to the song.
Speaking of popularity of MGR songs , I think
and from what I heared from
friends, MGR gave such a great value to his
film songs( I can not say the most because that
may seemingly discredit the importance he gave
to other components of film like story,acting and
other areas) No actor could have ever given
such a great attention to music!
MGR was a true model of image building. No
actor or even politician did ever create an
positive image among people thru screen/media
or other means (this is my personal opinion
and I donot want to get into controversies! please!). MGR has immense potential in
modelling a personality who has self-respect,
confidence, revolutionary views, courage
and dedication to society. I found that in
modern management (professionally and
in personal life) if one follows one of more of this
parameters of an IDEAL HUMAN , he/she
will certainly lead a wonderful life.
MSV and Kannadashan always added values
to his models.
Hey I forgot to add one more characteristic here!
Yes Romantism !
HATS OFF THALAIVAR MGR!
Guys, you haven't even scratched the surface on MGR movie songs. Sivaji lucked out with getting the cream of Kannadhaasan's imagination when Kannadhaasan and MGR sparred of and on. Also, Sivaji benefitted from classic stories that gave way to great situational songs as in movies by Beemsing, Bandhulu, A.P. Naagarajan, Thiruloganchandhar, Sridhar and other great directors.
Butin MGR movies, he was the driving force behind every song. I'm surprised that even the veterans here have a short memory span. Guys, look back at all the classic songs from MGR's black and white movies. Those songs covered every mood every situation,from tragedy,friendship,fatherhood, family values,humor, patriotism, romance, socialism, you name it.
Pick any of his movies for Devar Films. How about Arasilangumari
Kulaebagaavali
Malaikkallan
Nadodi Mannan
Alibabavum 40 Thirudargalum
Aayirathil Oruvan
Paasam
Magaadevi ...
I can go on but I'll end with a classic, "Kudiyiruntha Kovil". This movie not only proves that the man can squeeze out the best in everybody around him, especially the poets and the MDs, but also cared enough about variety and invention in picturising songs. Let's look at the songs in Kudiyiruntha Kovil one by one, each song is for a different dance routine,from a different culture:
1)Thulluvatho Ilamai--MGR dresses like a Spanish matador and dances like he is ready to fend off a bull,if you remember the music reminds one of bullfights.
2)Aadaludan Paadalai Kaetu--MGR brought Bhangra music and dance to Tamizh movies for the first time with this spectacular number. The scene is invigorating.
3)Un Vizhiyum En Vaalum--MGR is thought to be mad, but the way he acts makes his lady friend wonder if he really is mad. He carries a sword in his hand and carries on like another Elizabethan character who was misunderstood--Prince Hamlet.
I forget the other songs in the movie but I distinctly remember each song coming with a specific set of mood, theme and invention. MGR's influence over song picturization in TFM is indispensable. Give the man his due. He was a visionary.
Guys, you haven't even scratched the surface on MGR movie songs. Sivaji lucked out with getting the cream of Kannadhaasan's imagination when Kannadhaasan and MGR sparred of and on. Also, Sivaji benefitted from classic stories that gave way to great situational songs as in movies by Beemsing, Bandhulu, A.P. Naagarajan, Thiruloganchandhar, Sridhar and other great directors.
Butin MGR movies, he was the driving force behind every song. I'm surprised that even the veterans here have a short memory span. Guys, look back at all the classic songs from MGR's black and white movies. Those songs covered every mood every situation,from tragedy,friendship,fatherhood, family values,humor, patriotism, romance, socialism, you name it.
Pick any of his movies for Devar Films. How about Arasilangumari
Kulaebagaavali
Malaikkallan
Nadodi Mannan
Alibabavum 40 Thirudargalum
Aayirathil Oruvan
Paasam
Magaadevi ...
I can go on but I'll end with a classic, "Kudiyiruntha Kovil". This movie not only proves that the man can squeeze out the best in everybody around him, especially the poets and the MDs, but also cared enough about variety and invention in picturising songs. Let's look at the songs in Kudiyiruntha Kovil one by one, each song is for a different dance routine,from a different culture:
1)Thulluvatho Ilamai--MGR dresses like a Spanish matador and dances like he is ready to fend off a bull,if you remember the music reminds one of bullfights.
2)Aadaludan Paadalai Kaetu--MGR brought Bhangra music and dance to Tamizh movies for the first time with this spectacular number. The scene is invigorating.
3)Un Vizhiyum En Vaalum--MGR is thought to be mad, but the way he acts makes his lady friend wonder if he really is mad. He carries a sword in his hand and carries on like another Elizabethan character who was misunderstood--Prince Hamlet.
I forget the other songs in the movie but I distinctly remember each song coming with a specific set of mood, theme and invention. MGR's influence over songs in TF is indispensable. Give the man his due. He was a visionary.
Udhaya:
The other songs in K.Koyil:
naan yaar naan yaar nee yaar, naalum therindhavar yaar yaar
(a good one by Pulamai Piththan)
kungumap pottin mangalam
(penned by a peN kavinjar: Roshanara Begum)
neeyEdhaan enakku maNavaatti
I was really thrilled to read your comments on MGR's films and the songs. Of course I will certainly agree with you! So many new actors have come but still nobody could hold a candle to MGR. He is always thee best. Nothing can change that. I specially like his films because of the superb songs they have.I have been reading so many web sites to view MGR's film songs but I could not find any but casually when I opened this site when I found your comments it was really amazing. Come on guys you will definitely be appreciated.Please introduce MGR's films songs if you could please introduce some video clips where we can watch on the internet.
Thanks a lot for publishing this on this Web site.
Please read my email address as mohan@hkucc.hku.hk I am sorry in my previous message my email address was typed slightly wrong
SSK, Udhaya: One more from KKoil: 'ennai theriyumA?'
Thanks for prompting the other ones, guys,now my example is complete:
4)Ennai Theriyuma--the chorus backing TMS("Aaaga rasigan, Aaaga rasigan, Nalla rasigan, Nalla rasigan") and the percussions in this song are a tribute to the 50s rock'n roll swooners.
5)Naan Yaar Naan Yaar--is a philosophical number that mocks the myth that one can truly know oneself. Also, this is the opposite of the previous song, in the previous song MGR's character explains who he is to the world. In this song he questions who he is and on a larger realm questions who anybody is.
6)Kunguma Pottin Mangalam--sings the praises of our women, our culture. That it was written by a female poet(Roshanara Begum) is a joyful revelation to me(thanks Sathya Keerthi).
7)Neeyethaan Enakku Manavaatti--is a typical MGR love duet. And that's no small compliment about being a typical MGR duet because it takes energy, clarity of words, and fresh composition for MGR to okay the song.
I sincerely hope every true TFM fan will open up to the old and appreciate our rich legacy of music and lyrics. When you have a clue about your past, you know something about the future too. And can we all get into discovering the joy of TFM without bipartisan tug-of-words? I know I get pulled into the fray, but I certainly don't revel in it.
Udhaya:
That was the only song that Roshanara Begum wrote
for TFM. Islaamiya peNNaana avar kungumap paottin
mangalaththaip patri paadiyadhu evvaLavu
arumaiyaana vishayam, illaiyaa?
That's an amazing instance where art triumphs over other human barriers. I have been meaning to start a thread about female poets in TFM and right away realized the next to nothing contribution on lyric threads. We have about a 100 threads all dealing with who is better than who, who copied. Such dispiriting stuff. I'm glad we have a few of us who genuinely care about discussing and sharing information.
Vadiyaar is Vadiyaar.. No competition. I remember watching the old movies during my summer vacation's in madras and I still feel great listening to the oldies
Hi!
It's my strong feeling that duets composed by MSV and Viswanathan-Ramamurthy are the only ones that can be called 'duets!' and only more so in MGR movies.
I also believe that there's more emotion in TFM duets (I'm only referring to the old songs) both on screen and off screen than even in Hindi movies!
We always had and have better talented singers like P.Sushila, TMS , LREaswari, Janaki, PBS and Vani Jayaram ( not to leave SPB and KJYesudas who are still singing) who could modulate their voices according to the actors/actresses. Such voice matching and modulation was more prevalent in our films than Hindi films.
I do greatly rever Lata Mangeshkar, Rafi, Asha and Mukesh. Their voices were great. But when it comes to prefessional singing in movies where one expects the play-back singers' voices to match those of actors/actresses, our singers far excelled them and always.
I also feel that our singers have always been left out somewhere on the way to complete recognition, don't you feel the same way too?
Thanks, karthi.
MGR was really the driving force behiend all his film songs becoming massive hits. they are still very very popular.
MGR the great man gave away all his properties for the poor deaf children
check out http://education.vsnl.com/mgr/
It's my strong feeling that duets composed by MSV and Viswanathan-Ramamurthy are the only ones that can be called 'duets!' and only more so in MGR movies.
vaanga karthi, aarambippOma MSV - IR- ARR saNdaiyai ?:-)
Velaiyaththavan, that was in '98 (Nov). Yethukku saar izhukkareenga ?
adhuthaan neengaLe sollitteengaLe, naan Velaiyaththavannu :-)
Can any one tell in which movie the song "nalla nalla pillaigalai nambi indha naade irukkudhu thambi"? And who is wrote this song?
Thanks & Rgds
Can any one tell in which movie the song "nalla nalla pillaigalai nambi indha naade irukkudhu thambi"? And who penned this song?
Thanks & Rgds