THIRUKKURALH

Dear Thiru Solomon, :)

The claim by various religious groups that Thirukkural belonging to them itself specifies that Thirukkural is common to all in the world.

Jains, saivas and Vedhics also claim that Thirukkural is belonging to them.

I want to bring to your notice that the 'flood story' of Nova in Bible specifies the 'Big KADALKOL (tsunami)' happened during prehistoric period. Nova escaped through 'Marakkalam' (KATTUMARAM) to Asia minor.

Now Turky's tribes stories reveal that they came from south probably from south India.

Language connotations proves that. I have earlier talked about this in separate thread.

Anyway let us wind up this discussion here & continue under relevant topic. :!:

Don't you see Thiru Sudhaama comes with great Stick ? :lol:

f.s.gandhi

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Originally Posted by F.S.Gandhi vandayar

Don't you see Thiru Sudhaama comes with great Stick ? :lol:

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Hahahaha!

Dear friends, :)

Nowadays people seem to be more interested in amassing money. They don’t want to have some ethics in accumulating the money.

‘Survivial of the fittest’ is their basic rule.

World people also use ‘Diplomacy’ in dealings and the sole pupose is overruling / acquiring money / power through even unethical means.

Amassing money is thought to be the happiness attaining process of most people.

Whereas the monks of various religions stress the need to abandon money in order to have happiness.

On the other hand without money untold sufferings of poor men prevails everywhere.

How can we come out this confusion state ? We should have money at the same time we should have happiness.

Money – happiness combination is focused as enemy to enemy combination and we will not have happy by this combination.

Dear friends, :!: Try to explore from ‘Thirukkural’

Valluvar should have some plan for this. :!:

f.s.gandhi

I love Kural because, it teaches big teachings in just 7 words.

Piravip Perungadal Ninduvar......

WhAT A WONDERFUL Kural.

Man' life is less than 80 years on average, and Trees and Tortoise and Elephants live longer. And Mountains and Seas keep Growing for Milleniums.
Every Person born crooses his Life-time and dies, and certainly Valluvar does not call this as Ocean, and Pirave- cannot mean your Generations- such as Children, GrandChildren and GreatGrand Children. Every Soul looses its body when a Man dies, but the soul gets another body, MaruPiravi, and Piravi continues again and again- As all waters reach Ocean, all Living born again and again.

To get away from this Ocean of Births, only way to get away is to ged to the feet of the God.

Longlive Kural and let us spread it.

MosesMohammedSolomon
PS: FSG -Can you kndly link me to the Carbon14 datings for Tiruvalluvar and its interesting.

Dear Thiru Solomon, :)

Samples of carbon dated palm leaves can be got from 'Saraswathi mahal libruary' in Thanjavoor. It carried out during 19 th century British rule in India.

Regarding 'thirukkural' -Piravi -I want to add some more things.

'Azhu pirappum Aamappu udaiththu' - clearly specifies 7 birth of man to the earth.

Hence this 'piravi' is not continuous uncounted way. 7 births are defined not only in inthu saiva Akamams but also in Vedhic as well as in other Inthu upanishaths.

This is called as 'karmam / karma' in Inthu belief and followed in tamil nadi astrology written by Akaththiyar from time immemorial.

7 is a holy no. in occultic numerology. There should be 7 continents in world.

There should be 7 oceans in earth.

There should be 7 wonders in world.

Buththar was born on 25th. Adding 5+2=7. Jesus and Mohammed were born on 25th. Sankarar, Maththuvar, Ramanujar Who also were born in this 25th.(Mummoorthikal of Inthu religion)

The flower 'Thaamarai' which has seven leaves in front is the place where Buththar / saraswathi / lakshmi cult is always made as seated.

7 is holy no in Bible. 7 days, 7 influencing planets are used for determining one's astrological calculations.

Three major religions of today which were influenced by ancient belief have their theories in the following way.

1.God is one.

2. Other great men will be born in the earth as 'Thoothuvar' / Avathaar to perish when Atharma prevails.

3.Belief in rebirth.

Mr. 'Chero' a famous England professor proved the rebirth by analysing the history of France kings. 14th Louie was reborn after 700 years and the happenings / important incident matches with the 18th century louie and the 11 the century 14th louie.

f.s.gandhi

TIRUKURAL TALKS ABOUT Pirappu and Kudi, repeatedly , and its the core of Tirukural.

He further says, Desire is the route of births, i.e. Desire forces you to sin, and sins make you to born again.

Valluvar further adds, One should Desire, if at all for - Piravamai, all other things would follow.

EluPirappu, though may denote 7 in the first isght, it must be understood as Elumpothellam Pirappu, Unless you are Sinless and catch the feet of Divinity you cannot attain it.

MosesMohammedSolomon

Dear Friends, :)

I earlier asked What valluvar says about 'Arivu'.

Let us look into that.

Arivu is defined as knowing all about world , subject , science etc. By knowing something itself will make ‘arivu’ ?

Valluvar also says by having arivu you will get anything in life.

A thief seems to be having more ‘Arivu’ than ordinary man.

A smart politician who amass wealth seems to be having more knowledge than ordinary person.

A leading country like America which created arms race in the world seems to be having more Knowledge.

A developing country like India which has lot of priests seems to be having more knowledge.

A diplomatic mission which induces mutual benefits between any two countries eventhough they adapt certain form of treacherous attitude seems to be having more knowledge.

Eventually ‘survival of the fittest’ / More knowledge knowing and suppressing other seems to be more smart / knowledged and fittable to live.

But what valluvar says regarding knowledge is wonderful.

He didn’t quantify the knowledge. He talks not only for human beings but also ordinary other organisms in the world.

Valluvar inadvertently poses that having knowing the thing only is not a knowledge.

But how it is being used in the world is knowledge. Even if you get small knowledge of something in world it must be fruitful to the society and the whole world.

In his ten verses under “Ariudamai” Athikaram 9 talk about Knowledge proportions /perspectives and in one kural He defined ‘what is knowledge ?.

‘Chentra edaththaal selavida THEETHU oriee-
NANTRIN PAL ueppathu ARIVU.

In that he says without ‘THEETHU’ which gives ‘NANTRU’ is knowledge irrespective of its quantity or quality.

Let us follow what valluvar says.

Readers are welcome to bring out explanations for other equeries in this thread.

f.s.gandhi

Let us protect Thirukkural unpolluted.

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Originally Posted by Mod

.. and this thread too!

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Tiruvalluvar gives us Duties of Family Man as follows:

ThenPulathar Theivam Virunthu Okkal Than- This order gives us a lot of information.

ThenPulathar- refers Irantha Munnor- Then refered as The Direction of Yaman, i.e., Pithrukal- Even today Orthodex Tamils do not goto Temples for Oneyear if any Close Relatives Die, and Every Month First day and on NewMoon Day They give Tharpanams to Pithrukal, Annual Tharpanam on Mahalaya Amavasai and Divasams are practiced by all Tamils. Next To Pithrukal only is God, then Unknown Virunthinar, Then Family, then self is the order a Family man has to spend his Time Money and Effort.

MosesMohammedSolomon

'Then pulaththar' specifies the ancestors who died in 'KadalKol' happened in the south of Kumari.

That is why tamil pray standing in the direction of south.

When tamils wanted to die they sit in north direction.

Yaman was introduced in Vaishnava puranas and that was not specified by valluvar. Infact yaman direction is north.

As all religion claims Thirukkural is belonging to them I think Vaishnavas also believe in that.

f.s.gandhi