Neethane En Ponvasantham | Yeto Vellipoyindhi Manasu | Assi Nabbe Poorey Sau

[AravindMano]

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[AravindMano]

Neethane En Ponvasantham is a landmark project for Raja. Oh wait, the album is yet to heard and appreciated, but yet this is definitely a landmark album, because,

# has been announced, composed, recorded, shot and will hit the stores in record time. Record time as in 5 months as against the usual two years timeframe.

# sees a prominent director teaming up with Raja for a non off-beat Tamil film. No, not about how a Gandhian was formed, not about kids in search of their mothers, not about aghoris and not at all about a horse. A film that promises to be a simple love story. Pucca commercial. Yes, we need them. We. Need. Them.

# trilingual and so even more exciting (with a suspicious glance at the Hindi market)

# first ever Twitter and Facebook presence for a Raja album

# first time ever the man who could boast about phenomenal shelf lives of his albums like no one else in TFM, has an album which has a preshelf life. Real time updates - not a ThatsTamil article in which a director narrates how we went home from the recording time all moist eyed - but we got to know Raja and Gautham drank coffee, we saw pictures of orchestra sitting in a classroom ambience, we saw 'Vaanam Mella' as a track name, we saw the kids who sang, we got to know the number of tracks, we saw the singers going goo goo gaa gaa (no, not the notes) - we had *something* to see and follow. It was all real. Unbelievable, Yes. But R.E.A.L.

# an eight-track Tamil Raja album, which was last heard in, err, I don't know. The last time I remember is that scandal called Ajantha in which we were promised 36 songs, a lucky number probably for someone involved.

# alleged promises of instrumental versions of every song and the BGMs - looks more promising than any other such promises made before

# Raja dusted off his blazer after long for a recording session. Come on yA!

All this has been possible, no mincing words, only because of one man, Gautham Vasudev Menon.

Menon, we all lou yu kiddo!

[AravindMano]

Ilaiyaraja
Na.Muththukumar
Gautham Vasudev Menon
Karthik, Shaan, Sunidhi Chauhan, Yuvan Shankar Raja, Karthik Raja, Suraj Jagan, and lot of kids from London.

[AravindMano]

Official Twitter Pages - NEP (https://twitter.com/#!/nep_movie) | YVM (https://twitter.com/#!/yvm_movie)

Official Facebook Pages - NEP (https://www.facebook.com/NeethaaneEnPonvasanthamMovieOfficial)| YVM (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Yeto-Vellipoyindhi-Manasu-Official/270983016328095) | Varun Krishnan (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Varun-Krishnan/308076492602933") | Nithya Vasudevan (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nithya-Vasudevan/362655153784153) | Varun Krishna (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Varun-Krishna/354061811324365) | Nithya Yelavarthy (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nithya-Yelavarthy/239756199459791)

[AravindMano]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1UIq3gdgYw&feature=BFa&list=ULg_WnXuci3PI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_WnXuci3PI&feature=BFa&list=ULj1UIq3gdgYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CCiSUBkt7A&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LbUEMjiC0g&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhpT59sIYs&feature=channel&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32d-Xz9h2eM&feature=youtu.be

[SoftSword]

indian community reservationa vida overa irukku...lol
my heads up!

[AravindMano]

ha ha, sagala reservations for Raja.

[Sunil_M88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhpT59sIYs&feature=channel&list=UL


I JUST LOVE THE POSE FROM 0.40-0.43. THE FIRE OF COMPOSING IS STILL BURNING STRONG IN RAAJA SAAB'S EYES!!! :bow: :bow:

[SoftSword]

one thing i can say from the teasers is, GVM's thinks his target audience know music..
otherwise, do u guys think such teasers, however awesome they are, would make any good to the common people?

[NormalMan]

one thing i can say from the teasers is, GVM's thinks his target audience know music..
otherwise, do u guys think such teasers, however awesome they are, would make any good to the common people?

என்ன சொல்ல வரீங்கன்னு சத்தியமா புரியல !! Doing good to common people and teaser. Cannot make a connection.

[MumbaiRamki]

20 K hits ina day !! .. and this is just a audio teaser !!!!

[Bala (Karthik)]

mumbai ramki
oru nitpick. idhu jazz illa, rock

[skr]

Total therippu :)
Thalaivar Pinnittaaru ..

[KV]

aravindspb :clap: louly job ya!

[Divine22]

Hi all,

I read in the other thread that the album is expected to be released on IR's birthday 03/06. Has it been confirmed ?

[Nerd]

aravindspb
:lol:

NEPV could be IR's first patti-thott-citti hit after azhagi. What a lovely thing to happen :clap:

[raja_fan]

As usual...thatstamil...

http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/music/2012/05/ilayaraaja-s-neethaane-en-ponvasant-154229.html

[AravindMano]

aravindspb

:lol: aattA kadichu mAtta kadichu..

[AravindMano]

Expectations that a teaser would be out by Monday. In Yuvan Shankar Raja's voice, no less.

[raja_fan]

No teasers today it seems..
Another disturbing rumour is that the audio release might be later than we expect.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

the more disturbing news due the delay of audio could be that there may be much more taarchars, sorry, teasers!

[raja_fan]

http://www.facebook.com/Neethaneenponvasanthamofficial

Audio Releasing Mid Next Month..

Pongadaa...neengalum unga updates-um..
:(

[KV]

that's close to a month's time from now! iyyaho :cry3:

[AravindMano]

date solRa varaikkum edhaiyum nambaRadhA illa.

[baroque]

namakku mukkiyam NINAIVELLAM NITHYA , PAYANAGAL MUDIVADHILLAI ETC.. maadhiri patti thottiyellam adhiradikkura album!

adhu varattum nallabadiyaa from GVM with IR combo!

like GVM with Harris potta maadhiri, let GVM follow GVM-IR albums combo in future!

[skr]

Sakala ,
How can i add embed pictures here if the picture happens to me in my desktop ?
How i will i find the image location ?

[skr]

I really thought it was apt to release on IRs birthday , moreover it comes on a weekend ..

[prasad_subbu]

Folks,

Atleast GVM did a real good thing. He expressed his intent very clearly to our thalaivar. He asked for IRs melody with different treatment. Hope results lives upto the hype the ads have created.

[V_S]

Sakala ,
How can i add embed pictures here if the picture happens to me in my desktop ?
How i will i find the image location ?
You have to upload your image to one of these sites. http://tinypic.com/
Then get the url from that site for your image. Paste it within .

[skr]

Thanks a lot V_S :)

[skr]

Kv , atleast from this image guess you got what you wanted ..
A song based on Electric Guitar called Santru Munbu :)
http://i46.tinypic.com/qqr1xe.jpg

[Gregorysab]

I suspect Gautham Menon might release a "The Making of Music of NEPV" DVD if the movie is successful commercially. You know, the usual - "Collector's edition" goodies. Because GVM seems to have gone all prepared to the recording sessions - with photographs all over the internet during the music-making and now videos being used in teasers. If he really releases that, we are in for a treat I think.

[MumbaiRamki]

Does the Hindi title give something ?"Assi-Nabbe-Poorey-Sau"

Why is it names that way ?

[Nerd]

Kv , atleast from this image guess you got what you wanted ..
A song based on Electric Guitar called Santru Munbu :)
http://i46.tinypic.com/qqr1xe.jpg
One more song sheet was shown too. Pudikkala Maama.


Does the Hindi title give something ?"Assi-Nabbe-Poorey-Sau"

Why is it names that way ?
That was the Hindi title. I think it has been dropped.
Assi - 80
Nabbe - 90
Poorey - Full / complete
Sau - 100

[app_engine]

Is it sAntRu munbu?
:confused:

Or typo for 'saRRu munbu'?

In any case, very stylish classic font for the sheet :-)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

I searched for the 1st look audio in utube, ppl hav put 2nd, 3rd and 4th look! When I listened, its some old song! Athaiyum evano oru 18K ppl hav watched it

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neethane+en+ponvasantham+firs t+audio+look&oq=neethane+en+ponvasantham+first+audio+look&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube.3...4040.10444.0.10649.19.18.1.0.0.0. 267.2562.4j12j2.18.0...0.0.rE9ti1XiLdc

[raja_fan]

Vallavar,

You are one among that 18K :)
If they are going to torture us without any definite date of audio release, this will only happen.
Instead of NEP updates, now they (NEP twitter ) have started advertising Photon Katha's next production with Yuvan's music.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Kv , atleast from this image guess you got what you wanted ..
A song based on Electric Guitar called Santru Munbu :)

So SKR u have posted ur 1st image! :clap:

Also, i suggest you register with either tinypic or imageshack.us. I use the later. All ur images will be in one places and tomorrow if u need, it will be there! You can also use twitpic. It will integrate with ur twitter acc so that u dont need registration!

[skr]

yes SKV ..thanks to you and V_S , i finally managed to post an image :)
But i remember posting images in the hub earlier , but that time there was an option to upload the fle directly without using tinypic or imageshack ..

Thanks for your suggestion ..i will create an account in one of them soon ..

[raja_fan]

Hope they will update about NEPV audio release before Varun and Nithya celebrate their 60th birthday :)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

http://www.facebook.com/GauthamVasudevMenons/posts/422085251155967


Gowtham Vasudev Menon
about an hour ago ·

How is the music teaser from Maestro friends looking for your feedback???? Was it up to your expectations?

[groucho070]

I don't follow him, can someone respond, "enough with the tease sh!t, you can shove it up where the sun does not shine on you. Just give us the real thing". Oh, 140 words OdirichA?

[SoftSword]

140 characters, not words...
but neenga VIP customer, 180 varaikkum allowed...

[SVN]

http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-anand-milind-makes-a-comeback/20120529.htm

The duo says they lifted only 7-8 songs in all!

[raja_fan]

Ithuvum venum..Innamum venum...
Audio release pannungadaa paavigalaa !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q-DneAJ8bg&feature=related

[KV]

<alEkka thookified from the TF section>

"Gautham's plans for Ilayaraja's birthday
On the eve of maestro Ilayaraja’s birthday, Gautham Menon intends to release a music treasure from Nee Thaane En Pon Vasantham. The director has teamed up with this music genius for the first time in NEPV and wants to commemorate his birthday by releasing some music excerpts from the film.
It will be released on the eve of Ilayaraja’s birthday, June 2nd. It may be noted here that the maestro will be celebrating his birthday on June 3rd and his fans are sure for a treat with this music treasure releasing."

Any insider info on this? will the real ottran please stand up?

[raja_fan]

https://twitter.com/#!/nep_movie/

Yes its true Guys,Catch our special audio teaser of #NEPmovie on TV tommorow!!

Guys,Tune in to all your Radio Stations tommorow to catch the audio teaser of our Maestro Ilaiyaraja Sir's Musical #NEPmovie sung by....
Guess who? ....our very own Yuvan Shankar Raja......



But which TV ?

[irir123]

audio teaser ??? EKSI ?!! GVM is taking this buildup act to ridiculous heights - after all this, if he chooses to release the audio in a mokka fashion under a mokka label, there will be no mannippu!

IR musicku intha maadhiri hype ellaam thevai illa thaan - aanaalum, oru alpa santhosham looking at the anticipation / buzz its creating - only hope its all orchestrated well before the final release!

[raja_fan]

Exactly !
Ridiculous hype.
Marketing can be done without hype. Tamil Film Industry never learns that.

[prasad_subbu]

Enakku ennavo idhallam overa theriyuthu. If output is good also, it will not be sufficient to carry on this hype. It has to be fantastic to work with this hype. Let us see.

[vigneshram]

Yuvan's song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQUVbW-FTA

[MumbaiRamki]

WOw ..semaya irukku sir !!!NEPV ... when will it hit the stores ??

[KV]

:clap: :clap: :clap: arumai ya, arumai.

[P_R]

Unselected.

[KV]

neenga indha matterla eppavume late pickup'nga. take the 25rubees.
2 vaaram kalichchu vandhu manippu kEpinga. ada idhellaam therinjadhu dhaana?

[P_R]

Yuvan, Bavatharini voice ellAm eththanai varusham aanalum unselected dhaan.
Yuvanukku telungu theriyAdhulla (thamizhE theriyAdhu'ngradhu vERa vishayam). naan telungula paattu kEttukkuREn.

[KV]

thamizh therinjum, murder pandromnu avaru kavala pattadhu kedayadhu. gult ellaam guilt illaama thaakkuvaaru. very eesi.
'panja' title song kElungo. panjar aakirppaaru.

[San_K]

Unselected.

onnum avasaram illa. innum varusam irukku

[P_R]

Pronunciation is his major but not only crime.
I don't like his voice. I don't know if abaswaram is the word, but that is what I feel.
kEkkavE pudikkAdhu :x

[skr]

Not too impressed ..Ludes are lovely but Yuvan's singing makes it look like a typical new age Tamil song ..
Expecting more ..

[KV]

adadada... tsunami warning dhaan munnadiye kuduthutaanga illa? nalla dhumm katti, tsunamila summing pOda pazhagikOnga. 2-3 songs are gonna be in his voice IIRC.
thiyaagam dhaan nammalai uyarthum kumare.

[wizzy]

Yuvan songs are ripe for minus one tracks :-) Paa-ish vibes in all the teasers..has Sony BMG bagged the audio rights?

[Kimrep]

Not too impressed ..Ludes are lovely but Yuvan's singing makes it look like a typical new age Tamil song ..
Expecting more ..


agreed. this one is a let down...

[San_K]

Mixed reactions. paatu hit aagidum :lol:. Namma aaha ooho sonna Dhoni songs evenum seenthalaiyE

[KV]

er, pardon me if i'm sounding too defensive of this thunukku, but me thinks that this could be one of the ways to broaden the 'reach' of the music (catering to youth, sounding 'mass', etc).
in this bit we get: a simple catchy tune + jazz/rock live orchestra + IR signature (that little guitar lead and in the chord progression+drum roll towards the ending).
positive vibes i say!

[Bala (Karthik)]

+ IR signature (that little guitar lead and in the chord progression+drum roll towards the ending).
positive vibes i say!
Exactly! Yuvan is doing his best to sodomize the song though. He is not a singer, let alone a decent/competent one.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Paattu mass hit aaguma nu dhaan konjam apprehension. Remember pearl harbor (MX)?

[prasad_subbu]

Anybody can do better than yuvan in singing. IR somehow makes it family thing making Yuvan or Bhava sing. GVM who got work done from IR probably could not prevent Yuvan from singling, it looks like.

I can't do away in comparing ARR's professionalism in giving best to songs as they , even though I am ardent IR fan. This song is a big let down. Let us hope better other songs.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

1998 la irunthe irukku! my bommukkutti for mummy

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425756_3490515948138_1428683153_33463010_130787393 2_n.jpg

[AravindMano]

pAttu pudikkalai. pidikkavE illai.

[AravindMano]

waitees. headphones la kEttapRam nallA irukkA mAdhiri irukku.


ayyO. ippadi tension aagiyE sAga vENdiyadhu dhAn. :hammer:

[NormalMan]

என்ன கொடுமை இது? நல்ல catchy tune. இந்த கன்றாவி வாய்ஸ் பாடி கெட்டு குட்டி சுவரு ஆகியாச்சு

[dochu]

When I heard this bit in radio while driving last night, ennada kodumai endru erunthathu. Total off key mathiri erunthathu. I think when somebody is successful, over confidence kicks in. Yuvan is quite a hit and guess everybody in NEPV wished to utilize it. Anyway, repeated listening may provide some consolation because of music, however it is a big let down. I expected this. So not much disappointment.

[Plum]

அறிமுகப்படுத்தும்போது இருப்பதிலேயே சிறப்பான பாடல்களை வெளிப்படுத்தணும்! அந்த வகையில் பின்னடைவுதான். இந்தப் பாடலை இரண்டு மூன்று முறை கேட்டுவிட்டேன். பாடல் வரிகள் மனதில் பதியவேயில்லை. தாமரையின் வெற்றிடம் வெளிச்சமா கண்ண கூசுது! பாடல்கள் ஒரு "காதல் கவிதை" ரேஞ்சுல கண்டிப்பாக இருக்கும்னு எதிர்பார்த்தேன். எதிர்பார்ப்பெல்லாம் சுக்குநூறாக உடைந்துவிட்டது! பார்க்கலாம்..என்னென்ன அதிசயங்கள் வரவிருக்கிறதோ!

already one TN youthu disappointed...venkkiram romba nalalvaru....pAttu sumArA irundhAlE (endha MDyA irundhAlum) Adharavu koduppAr. avarukkE pidikkalainA....TN youth....:shaking:

[Plum]

On the eve of maestro Ilayaraja’s birthday, Gautham Menon intends to release a music treasure from Nee Thaane En Pon Vasantham. The director has teamed up with this music genius for the first time in NEPV and wants to commemorate his birthday by releasing some music excerpts from the film.
It will be released on the eve of Ilayaraja’s birthday, June 2nd. It may be noted here that the maestro will be celebrating his birthday on June 3rd and his fans are sure for a treat with this music treasure releasing

oru elumbichampazham koduththA epdi chakkaiyA pizhinju juice eduthukaRAr PArunga indha GVM. indha sottu sottA thaNNi kalandhu kodukkaRA soos ellAm kudikka mudiyAdhu. muzhu album pOduyyA - youtube ozhiga



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Another maadern TN youth disappointed....indha feeyar, venkkiramlAm dhAnga correct reflection of the audio market of TN. 10 steps back, app and others. You are in for disappointment - i mean pAttu ungaLukku pudikka vAippu irukku but Tn youthukku pudikkumnu nInga kattina manakkOttai ellAm...

[Plum]

Hype kodukkaRadhu nalla illainu sonna modhO fans koottam nInga dhAnyA...avanavan evLO hype koduthAlum adhu deservednu argue paNNuvAn - without an exception...nInga ennadAnnA...1992kkappuRam indiavulEyE modhO muRaiyA, an IR album is coming with positive hype - as opposed to vested interests giving negative hype,(IR is old, not maadern trend etc) - and you guys complain? :lol:

idhu fail Agumgaradhu vERa vishayam

[P_R]

yaaru naan modern youth refresentative-A? pOnga saar, pOyi puLLai kuttigaLai padikka vainga. kappiththanamA pEsikkittu.

[raja_fan]

Yuvan and Vijaya T.R are similar. They never give up torturing people with their voice.
Very sad that IR has become a Dhridhrashtra . Puththira paasam kannai maraikkuthu :(

[Plum]

Kaaris Seyarasu fan ellAm maadern youthu dhAnE(including NOV)? :scratchhead:

[P_R]

Plum, there are many who 'like' Yuvan's voice. adhisayam aanaal uNmai. I call that modern. Taking in experimental songs is modern.
Harris has little to do with modernity. His forte is familiarity - which is what all you guys criticize him for,no?

[Sureshs65]

prasad,

I will fully agree with you on Bhavatharini. That Raja gave her songs because she was the daughter. But in case of Yuvan, and I have been arguing this on twitter as well, Raja has kept him at a safe distance. He has only called him when some 'fun' songs were needed, as in 'Kadhal Jaathi'. In those cases, because the voices were supposed to be bad and Yuvan's voice fitted that to the 'T'. Can you give me one example where for a nice melody Raja has used Yuvan earlier? So I think it is very unfair to level this charge against Raja in the case of Yuvan, while it is perfectly fine in the case of Bhavatharini.

My personal take is, that using Yuvan would have been a decision taken upon GVM's request. For all the scorn shown, Yuvan seems to have his own set of youth fans. Now that makes no sense to me but the youth of today seem to have a predilection to bad voices and bad accent. Honestly do you think Udit Narayan or Sadna Sargam would have sung so many songs in Tamil had the youth been intolerant to the massacre of the language. As I said earlier, it seems to have been some sort of strategy to attract the youth and hence Yuvan got to sing the song. Maybe they think this will also become a hit like the 'oru kal oru kannadi' song from 'SMS'.

So before we throw stones at Raja, which we love to do at every occasion, and compare him unfavorably with others, try and find out why this happened, especially given the track record of Raja never using Yuvan for such songs earlier. That's the least we can do to Raja rather than come up with accusation of nepotism.

[P_R]

Yuvan seems to have his own set of youth fans. Now that makes no sense to me but the youth of today seem to have a predilection to bad voices and bad accent. Honestly do you think Udit Narayan or Sadna Sargam would have sung so many songs in Tamil had the youth been intolerant to the massacre of the language.
Ok one question to all ye meesicals - mispronunciation is by no means the only offence Yuvan could be booked under IPC for, right?
Surudhi ellAm sErudhundreengaLA? :roll:

StraightA Udit-Oda compare paNradhaala kEkkaREn.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Youth south ellaam balderdash. This line of justification (adhuvum from Raaja fans) is an insult to him. Yuvan is not a singer, period. Bhava-va use panradhe thappu but idhu ulagamaha crame. Just think where this song would have gone with a *singer*

[Bala (Karthik)]

Ok one question to all ye meesicals - mispronunciation is by no means the only offence Yuvan could be booked under IPC for, right?
Surudhi ellAm sErudhundreengaLA? :roll:

StraightA Udit-Oda compare paNradhaala kEkkaREn.
:exactly: +1

[Sureshs65]

P_R,

Yes, Yuvan is no way comparable to Udit, who is a singer. I just wanted to bring to attention that not everything that we hold dear is something which everyone wants. And there may be circumstances where people have been OK with bad singers, bad pronunciation etc. (Even in the 'semmozhi paadal' we had rap for variety!!!) And we have seen that happen repeatedly with songs sung by Yuvan being 'hits' !!!

[Sureshs65]

Bala,

I don't think there is any quarrel about Yuvan not being a singer. It is a question of why he used him. Was it something the makers wanted or something he wanted? That is my question. My feeling is that Raja may be more inclined to go with 'modern trends' where, whether we like it or not, a set of fans exists for Yuvan's singing. Only how the song performs in the market will give us an indication if the thinking by Raja and GVM was right or wrong. Given the type of songs I listen on FM when I go to Chennai and the sort of voices I hear, I am more than sure this will be accepted by the general public.

Personally, in this song, I can live with Yuvan's voice. Much better than how he sings in his own music.

[jaiganes]

phew! what a spiteful bashing of u1. He has a unique voice fit for "soul" songs.
"Oru naaLil Vaazhkkai ingu" (from Pudhu paettai) - idhellaam rajave touch pannaadha sila areas thannoda voicela
U1 touch panni irukkaar. - There are some emotions and situations suited for his voice .
Even KArthik Rajaa's soft voice is apt for certain songs. and indha songukku pallavila his voice suits. period.
how the tune flows in charanam and how his voice turns out in totality is one more thing and if it is a bit song
all the better..

[baroque]

3 songs Yuvan padaradhaa munnadiye solliyaachu...



oru thadava check out pannittu.. appadiye U turn eduthu poyitten eruppen...

[Bala (Karthik)]

Jaiganes
Phew! What a spree of mediocrity-celebration you are on.

[baroque]

pirandha naal vazhthukkal , Raja!

[jaiganes]

Jaiganes
Phew! What a spree of mediocrity-celebration you are on.
Well - last I remember myself celebrating something on hub- it was Johnny - rajinikanth performance.. adhai solraeLaa?

[KV]

There's another tiny teaser being shown on tv every 10mins. I can't find it on uteep.
Is there any special program on any of the tv channels today?


<youth talk>
saindhu saindhu rokzzzz!!! :shoot: :smokesmirk: :bluejump:
all kelatts 10 steps back! :poke:
</>

[raja_fan]

Which TV channel ?
Adhai sollungappaa...

[Plum]

sei - avaru adhai solallainu gningalukkum ariyAm. Oka Raayi Oka Addam gurinchi chAlA bAga masterpiece ananattu mAtladuthunnAru kAdhA - dhannE mediocrity celebration ani Bala gaaru antunnArani nA uddhEsam...

[Sureshs65]

Yes KV. 'saindhu saindhu' rokzzz. What a tune.

Coincidentally was hearing the Yuvan song from 'Paiyya' on TV. That was a super hit song. In this song he sounds way better than in that song. So why this kolaveri. Please understand y00th feelings ya.

[KV]

Which TV channel ?
Adhai sollungappaa...
saw the teaser on jaya tv.

[KV]

appidi pOdunga sureshji. neenga namma settu. :thumbsup:
indha perusuga tholla thaanga mudiyala pa! :razz:

[Plum]

indha teaser-ai ellAm kEttu tholaichA dhAnE kashtam.adhukku dhAn nAn youteeb pakakmE poRadhilla

[krish244]

Pallavi portion with yuvan's style of singing is a bit of a let down. The song sounds better from anupallavi though. Lovely (and classy) guitar laden ludes.

Maybe there were reasons to select Yuvan. One I could think of is that he has given some nice melodies (in his music and his style of singing) in some movies in recent years and many people like it. I like his "pogadhe" song from deepavali immensely.

HEARTY BIRTHDAY WISHES to our beloved Ilaiyaraaja!

thanks,

Krishnan

[equanimus]

யுவன் நிறைய பாடல்கள் பாடிட்டாப்லயே. சமீப காலமா தான் அவர் பாடகரே கிடையாதுங்கறது அளவுல விமரிசனங்கள் தென்படுது. Or maybe I haven't been paying enough attention or following such discussions. ஆனா ஏதோ இடிக்குது.

[equanimus]

Have nothing to say about the song itself. Except that it (the guitar) kinda sounds nice.

[Plum]

யுவன் நிறைய பாடல்கள் பாடிட்டாப்லயே. சமீப காலமா தான் அவர் பாடகரே கிடையாதுங்கறது அளவுல விமரிசனங்கள் தென்படுது. Or maybe I haven't been paying enough attention or following such discussions. ஆனா ஏதோ இடிக்குது.

AmAyyA indha KArthik Raja fans (naanum Mumbai RAmkiyum) dhAn kaasu koduthu ellAraiyum apdi solla vaikkiROm :lol:

[equanimus]

Plum, I'm not saying there's an agenda or anything to that effect. Just wondering if Yuvan has overindulged himself over the years (by giving himself too many songs) and has annoyed many people enough to place such a criticism. யுவனுக்குன்னு ஒரு scope இருக்குறதா தான் எனக்குப் பட்டிருக்கு. Not a fan, but I've liked some of his songs. There, I said it.

[equanimus]

>>digr.
And as an aside, this whole polemic about Karthik Raja being a more proper heir of Raaja (or simply more Raaja-like) doesn't hold water IMO. And I'm someone who loves a good share of Karthik Raja's work, but Raaja-vudaiya signature style-la avar muzhusA imbibe paNNi compose paNRadhA thONala. adhula irukkuRa sila sparks irukku-ngRadhukku mEla solla edhuvum irukkAnnu theriyala. To my untrained ears, it seems he has his own style -- 'lite' compositions, inclination towards lethargic melodies and so on. 'kingudA' pAttellAm kEttuttuth thAn pEsuRIngaLA?
<<end digr.

[P_R]

kingudA pAttellAm kEttuttuth thAn pEsuRIngaLA? :lol:

[equanimus]

I mean, really! Look at what Karthik Raja does with a kuththu song (how differently Prabhu Deva has to choreograph for it and so on). Of course there's a possibility that KR was asked to do so by the director (Sundar C!) and all that, but it's not like he does something truly startling within the given scope. Raaja OTOH is a proper monster in every which way possible in whatever scope he's offered. How many KR songs do you recall in which he's exhibited something close to such monstrosity?! avarukku iLagina manasu sir. In fact, all my responses to this startling claim can be summed up with this sentence. avarukku romba iLagina manasu sir.

[jaiganes]

sei - avaru adhai solallainu gningalukkum ariyAm. Oka Raayi Oka Addam gurinchi chAlA bAga masterpiece ananattu mAtladuthunnAru kAdhA - dhannE mediocrity celebration ani Bala gaaru antunnArani nA uddhEsam...
adhi masterpiece ani naenu cheppaledhu swami. odhileyandhi - futurelo anni clear authundhi. kaani ardha paatalu vinni yuvakumarudu sarva naasham chesaadu ani cheppettam - yaemo balanced viewlaaga naaku kanapadaledhu - adhe nenu cheppedhi maata..

[jaiganes]

>>digr.
And as an aside, this whole polemic about Karthik Raja being a more proper heir of Raaja (or simply more Raaja-like) doesn't hold water IMO. And I'm someone who loves a good share of Karthik Raja's work, but Raaja-vudaiya signature style-la avar muzhusA imbibe paNNi compose paNRadhA thONala. adhula irukkuRa sila sparks irukku-ngRadhukku mEla solla edhuvum irukkAnnu theriyala. To my untrained ears, it seems he has his own style -- 'lite' compositions, inclination towards lethargic melodies and so on. 'kingudA' pAttellAm kEttuttuth thAn pEsuRIngaLA?
<<end digr.
ennaya kaetta raasavoda isaikku vaarisu innyum varailnnu dhaan solvaen. varanumnaa - oru raakshasa dhaagam venum. "kondaadi andaa" rangekku paatayum isayaiyum kudikkara
oru modaa kudigaaran. avana maadhiri boadhayoda evanum illaingradhu dhaan factuu.

[Plum]

VaarisunA orevadiyA sdburmanukku rdburman rangela edhirpArkaradhA?(Ninga innum mela poyi 16 adi paayanumnu vERa edhirpaarkaringa)? Edho or sivajikku prabhu, mgrku jayalalitha rangeukkAvadhu othukka koodaadhA? Paarthu pottu kodunga saar

[Plum]

Propah kuththu songla I concede to Yuvakumarudu(hattip: jai). Andha vengala kiNNaththai thambikku koduthukkunga maththabadi 4 adi pAnjAlum aNNan dhaan vaarisu.

[prasad_subbu]

Suresh,

While it was clear he did it for Bhava several times, it may be what you thought(may be GVM decision). While I am great fan of IR music, I have reservations on his decisions to sing good songs(for ex in TIS professional singer would have done real good justice).

Regarding Sadana Sargam and Udit, they don't miss shruthi like yuvan. He is suitable for very few songs where he is bearable, but not all songs.

Again, it is not throwing stone on our maestro, but "oru aadangam thailavar ippadi pannitaare". This was golden opportunity with all great hype and money spent on quality recording and musicians.

Atleast if the same song is sung by professional singer also in another track and is available for listening, it will be consoling. If we are left with no choice than yuvan voice...

Jaiganes,

"Oru naalil " song by Yuvan was masterpiece tune butchered by him all over. For comparison, it is sung by SP Charan in telugu. I am seeing heaven to earth difference.

[Sureshs65]

Prasad,

As I said earlier, people seem to have different criteria. If it is sruthi for you, it could be the murder of language for others. (For example, in Kannada, Udit Narayan sings , 'nA jothege' clearly as ' nachO dekhe', turning Kannada into Hindi. He does that in sruthi suddham way but it is still not pleasant to the ears.)

My feeling is that Yuvan is singing because there is so much hype, so much money involved!!! Because Yuvan has a constituency of his own and GVM may probably want to capture that vote bank :) As KV said, lot of us out of touch with the current reality where people don't worry about voice quality but would love some 'cool' songs from different voices. We have two ways to react, Accept the reality (which Raja seems to have done) or take a stand like Bala(K) did that Yuvan singing such a song in Raja's music is a great crime. We will know how the song is received once the whole song is released and also on how the song is used in the picture. My honest feeling is that most of Raja fans are over reacting. I don't listen to much of Yuvan's music nor am I a fan of his singing but I thought the outrage here and on twitter was disproportionate to how the song was. Maybe my ears adjust to bad singing better :D

On the topic of another professional singer making TIS a better album, we have discussed it multiple time. Pardon me when I say this but people like Jai and I think such a statement is a joke. We are 100% sure, no one else, just no one else, could have sung TIS better.

[jaiganes]

Suresh,

While it was clear he did it for Bhava several times, it may be what you thought(may be GVM decision). While I am great fan of IR music, I have reservations on his decisions to sing good songs(for ex in TIS professional singer would have done real good justice).

Regarding Sadana Sargam and Udit, they don't miss shruthi like yuvan. He is suitable for very few songs where he is bearable, but not all songs.

Again, it is not throwing stone on our maestro, but "oru aadangam thailavar ippadi pannitaare". This was golden opportunity with all great hype and money spent on quality recording and musicians.

Atleast if the same song is sung by professional singer also in another track and is available for listening, it will be consoling. If we are left with no choice than yuvan voice...

Jaiganes,

"Oru naalil " song by Yuvan was masterpiece tune butchered by him all over. For comparison, it is sung by SP Charan in telugu. I am seeing heaven to earth difference.
the feel yuvakumarudu gives to the heart of pudhuppettai song (oru naalil) - i dont think it could be provided by SP charan gaaru. shruthi, swaram, layam - i agree - but singing is beyond just shruthi and layam - offkey singing suits offkey situations and characters and his version of Oru naaLil is what i would take given the movie that PP is...
mathabadi - it is left to the individual viewer as to what he or she prefers in a cine song..
Net and net - I am no big fan of yuvakumarudu's crooning - but for some situations - it is sooo PERFECT. I just hope that this half a song what we have been exposed to has similar justification behind the voice casting - otherwise Raja all these days has never felt the need to use his second son.

[AravindMano]

Telugu hero tweets audio will be out month end. Endha month? Adha sollaliyE.

[jaiganes]

Prasad,

As I said earlier, people seem to have different criteria. If it is sruthi for you, it could be the murder of language for others. (For example, in Kannada, Udit Narayan sings , 'nA jothege' clearly as ' nachO dekhe', turning Kannada into Hindi. He does that in sruthi suddham way but it is still not pleasant to the ears.)

My feeling is that Yuvan is singing because there is so much hype, so much money involved!!! Because Yuvan has a constituency of his own and GVM may probably want to capture that vote bank :) As KV said, lot of us out of touch with the current reality where people don't worry about voice quality but would love some 'cool' songs from different voices. We have two ways to react, Accept the reality (which Raja seems to have done) or take a stand like Bala(K) did that Yuvan singing such a song in Raja's music is a great crime. We will know how the song is received once the whole song is released and also on how the song is used in the picture. My honest feeling is that most of Raja fans are over reacting. I don't listen to much of Yuvan's music nor am I a fan of his singing but I thought the outrage here and on twitter was disproportionate to how the song was. Maybe my ears adjust to bad singing better :D

On the topic of another professional singer making TIS a better album, we have discussed it multiple time. Pardon me when I say this but people like Jai and I think such a statement is a joke. We are 100% sure, no one else, just no one else, could have sung TIS better.
maanicca vaasagar's perumaan will become angrynga if someone other than Raasaa goes near the mic to sing "pollaa vinayaen".. thappu thappu.. thaadaila poattukunga..

[dochu]

People arguing in favor of Yuvan's voice in that song being good - probably song might be a hit as nowadays public seems to prefer songs like 'venam machan - oru kal oru kannadi'. However, hearing the few second sample, it is kind of disappointing.

[equanimus]

Propah kuththu songla I concede to Yuvakumarudu(hattip: jai). Andha vengala kiNNaththai thambikku koduthukkunga maththabadi 4 adi pAnjAlum aNNan dhaan vaarisu.Let's not digress further. idhu vERa vivAdham. But my perspective here is, neither of the two is a proper heir. [Even with kuththu songs, I'd go only so far as saying Yuvan's compositions come closest in terms of mood and soundscape among contemporary composers, but not of the order of Raaja as such. And I think someone like Vidyasagar can also acquit himself rather well on a good day in this area, just not so well as Yuvan, so it's not like Yuvan is a lonely crusader i.e. எந்த மேட்டர்லயும் யுவன் "தான்" 'ன்ற அளவுல நான் எதுவும் சொல்லலை.]

[San_K]

I go with Suresh and Jai. Singer selection most probably by GVM and song may be a bit song. Personally I fell this song should be a long one and Ilaiyaraja should justice in other parts of song if you feel the teaser is a let down. BTW going by the opinion on the singer yuvan, I could feel how Ilaiyaraja, the singer, would have faced criticism like this during his initial days of singing :razz:. Ofcourse IR is way better singer than IR but I am sure both faced same kind of criticism may be with different quantity.

[Nerd]

Yuvan sounds horrible in low notes like this. Even in that latest payyaa hit song, it was a high pitch kaththal (en kaadhal solla nEramillai). I can tolerate him that way. But this song, oru 10+ times kEttu paarungabaa, not that you ll love him, but you ll get used to him. He sounds good in the anupallavi.

On the melody, adadaaaa.. vERu enna pEsa.. and hey hey hey (last few secs) => GOLD.

The 10 sec clip on Jaya, vERa songaa, illai idhu dhaanaa?

[venkkiram]

He sounds good in the anupallavi.

On the melody, adadaaaa.. vERu enna pEsa.. and hey hey hey (last few secs) => GOLD.

The 10 sec clip on Jaya, vERa songaa, illai idhu dhaanaa?

"அடடா-ஆஆஆஆஆஆ வேறு என்ன பேச!" எனக்கு குறிப்பா அந்த இடம்தான் இருப்பதிலேயே நிறைய சொதப்பின இடமாக தெரிகிறது. மற்ற இடங்கள் இதை ஒப்பிடும்போது பருவா இல!

[prasad_subbu]

On the topic of another professional singer making TIS a better album, we have discussed it multiple time. Pardon me when I say this but people like Jai and I think such a statement is a joke. We are 100% sure, no one else, just no one else, could have sung TIS better.
maanicca vaasagar's perumaan will become angrynga if someone other than Raasaa goes near the mic to sing "pollaa vinayaen".. thappu thappu.. thaadaila poattukunga..

It is surprising to hear this from you folks. I feel Raja's voice pales in comparison to the broadway singer in polla vinaye song. Any specific reason for you two to think that IR did maximum justice. Is it in Bhavam department you feel IR did best, as IR understood and emoted well?

I feel a singer like vijay prakash(oh shivoham) or Madhu Balakrishnan or Yesudas would have done justice. Then again, I am a common listener and don't know nuances of music. It was same feeling of my other normal music fans.

[prasad_subbu]

Suresh

Yuvan might be a result of GVM request. I do not rule that out. It might be what I think too. Unless GVM or Yuvan clarifies, we will never know. May be it will become hit too.

To me after all this hype, it was a let down.

Jai,

Really. Oru naalil song by Yuvan you liked it. I thought it was the reason why Yuvan and Selavarangan split.. LOL

[prasad_subbu]

I also wish this song is commercial hit. Afterall we want more projects for IR like this. In this I wish I should be proved wrong.

[prasad_subbu]

Also, besides all this Yuvan singing, I observed that the tune is very fresh. Generally these days IR songs have a feel that it is borrowed from his own old library. But here I feel both the tune and ludes fresh. Do you folks feel the same?

After 900 movies it is amazing that he could do that, while MDs these days run out gas within 5 to 10 movies. Music is at his command. That is good part of it.

[jaiganes]

On the topic of another professional singer making TIS a better album, we have discussed it multiple time. Pardon me when I say this but people like Jai and I think such a statement is a joke. We are 100% sure, no one else, just no one else, could have sung TIS better.
maanicca vaasagar's perumaan will become angrynga if someone other than Raasaa goes near the mic to sing "pollaa vinayaen".. thappu thappu.. thaadaila poattukunga..

It is surprising to hear this from you folks. I feel Raja's voice pales in comparison to the broadway singer in polla vinaye song. Any specific reason for you two to think that IR did maximum justice. Is it in Bhavam department you feel IR did best, as IR understood and emoted well?

I feel a singer like vijay prakash(oh shivoham) or Madhu Balakrishnan or Yesudas would have done justice. Then again, I am a common listener and don't know nuances of music. It was same feeling of my other normal music fans.

OK saar. I dont think he missed a shruthi or mispronounce anything in that whole album - that is point #1
When u say madhu balakrishnan or vijay prakash - there is one song in the album which is not by raaja and is by madhu and co - not to say that the song is not good - but - it doesnt pack the same punch as the ones sung by raaja and it might be what ppl say as bhavam or not - i dont care - there is a quality that softens the listener - provided the listener is not listening to it like super singer judge or something like that .
There have been music neutrals (read external ppl who have not had the 'ilaiyaraaja' nostalgia influence) who have reviewed saying that broadway singer sings it flatly while his composition is full of contours - read the reviews for that.. i feel you have a predisposition to not like raaja clan voices. thats all. I too have similar bias when I begin cringing when Srinivas starts singing or hariharan begins to go beserk - i think for ppl like you and me there is no cure sir..

[raja_fan]

"915 padangalle appalamum oorugaiyum thaan koduththen...ippo thaan konjam saapaadu koduthirukken..GM padathula" - IR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm9cW12ovqw&feature=youtu.be

[prasad_subbu]

Jaigaaru,

I agree with your point as to pronounciation or Sruthi. My point is voice is also important and there I felt IR's did not work for me. Can you refer me to any reviews link? curious to see.

Regarding one Non Raaja song not having punch as other songs, it is due to nature of the song. For most part is ghosti gaanam. Raja did not give any such involved song to anybody in that album and hence we can't compare the punch by others singing and Raja singing.

[Sureshs65]

Prasad,

In case of Raja's voice, it is purely the emotion. Even SPB or Jesudas at their may not have done justice because there is bound to be a communication loss between music director's vision and the singer's implementation. In other songs, we may not feel or the singer would have put in something extra of his/her own. In case of Tiruvasagam, we are lucky that we got Raja's vision through his voice. His very deep understanding of the lyrics and his connect with the spirit of the lyrics are probably not something which he can convey to a singer without losing some info. So that way, I feel Raja was the apt choice for this song as it was a very personal connect of Raja with the poetry.

[equanimus]

"915 padangalle appalamum oorugaiyum thaan koduththen...ippo thaan konjam saapaadu koduthirukken..GM padathula" - IR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm9cW12ovqw&feature=youtu.beHaven't seen him be excessively eager to promote his new works (thiruvAsagaththukku sollalAm, adhu vERa department), so this sort of remark comes as a surprise!

P.S.: He has also clarified about "pArvathi parameshvarau," starts around 05:10.

[baroque]

"915 padangalle appalamum oorugaiyum thaan koduththen...ippo thaan konjam saapaadu koduthirukken..GM padathula" - IR


appadiyaa, ilayaraja!

inga post panni erundha unga puthiran kuralil erukkara pattu sample panninen nethikku!

onnum innum oru spoon vangi sapada invite pannalai...:(

vera item yellathaiyum kondu vanga neengalum GVMnum,:twisted:



sample pannittu, nanga mudivu pannikkaram,

inimey unga veettu dinnerkku varum podhu, sapttuttu, chumma perukku thottuttu vandha porumannu!

IT DOESN'T FANCY MY TASTE!

though your invitation counts.. THANKS FOR THE THOUGHTS!

[Sureshs65]

equa,

I had written a long mail to a friend on how Raja has been changing according to current needs in terms of how he does business. So I am not too surprised. This change has been happening over the past year or more. He seems to have understood the working of the industry well and has come to terms with it. So you see him in many promos mouthing what is expected of him.

In terms of music too he is mapping well as to what people are expecting for a particular movie. He did it in 'SreeRamaRajyam' and I am sure he will do it in 'NEP'.

[prasad_subbu]

Suresh,

I am taking Yesudas or Madhu or Vijay as just example. There are lot of spiritiual Bhajan singer who probably do justice for emotion as well as voice. A rigorous selection procedure might have ensured it. It is not that only IR understand the meaning hence emotion will be there only in IR's singing.

May be such a try was never attempted due to funding of project, which might be the case.

[baroque]

mmmm... Couldn't help thinking..

What a contrast!

Vinnai thandi varuvaaya audio release was very impressive with playing songs live, Gowtham Vasudeva Menon's polished, neat, no-non sense style presentation of a urban album, A.R.Rahman's romba alavana appearance in the stage


here, when some of us are GLAD when GVM joins Ilayaraja,

Sample earth - shattering aa illaatta kooda paravaayillai,

impressive aa kooda illai,

IR vera sappadu, oorukka pechu vidararu...

Hope things will be better in a day or two when rest of the songs/album is out!

[jaiganes]

mmmm... Couldn't help thinking..

What a contrast!

Vinnai thandi varuvaaya audio release was very impressive with playing songs live, Gowtham Vasudeva Menon's polished, neat, no-non sense style presentation of a urban album, A.R.Rahman's romba alavana appearance in the stage


here, when some of us are GLAD when GVM joins Ilayaraja,

Sample earth - shattering aa illaatta kooda paravaayillai,

impressive aa kooda illai,

IR vera sappadu, oorukka pechu vidararu...

Hope things will be better in a day or two when rest of the songs/album is out!

I don't think there was anything to hope for but the bgm. Blasphemy , it may sound, mediocrity
celebration it might be construed as, yet I am willing to go out on one
Limb and say... Nothing would ever match the syrupy catchinesss of
menon n Harris combo.

[baroque]

I will not compare Ilayaraja's music to (any director's project) any composer from S.D.Burman, M.S.V to current Harris etc..

Raja is Raja, Khaiyyam is Khaiyyam, they all have their own signature.

GVM made a good team with Harris, released some hits.

adhey maadhiri, Raja with GVM should click, same time I want Raja to elate us too.

Raja screwing us with poor singing kind of disappointing to me!:(

Forget it may be GVM's choice to attract youth etc...

not working, Raja!

Raja, stop with your oorukai, saappadu pechu... in a time like this very unattractive!:twisted:


singer Karthik has sung some songs.

Live orchestra - 100 piece, singer Karthik , of course there is HOPE!

kutti sample nalla illainnudhaney polambarom.. udaney unreleased album is Hopeless,

Vitta, Gowtham, go back to Harris nnu solliduveenga polarukkey!

minnale, vaarana maayiram dhaan ninaippu erukku followed by Rahman's VTV from GVM's films.

vera enna Harris-GVM album fabulous?

vettaiyadu vilaiyadu ley onnum enakku ippo pattu ninaippu illai!

couldn't recall any other songs...

[senthilv.com]

I actually agree with Raja. There is a difference b/w film music and music. He has done himalayan work in film music but didn't have the chance to explore music outside of film. If this confuses or sounds unbelievable, here's an analogy -- Although film acting makes actors stars and gets them all kind of awards, actors still feel theater acting is real acting and/or gives them more satisfaction. (Actors from theater feel this way)

I believe this is the case for Raja. While film music allowed him to become a famous star and do lot of different type of music. They all are similar type of music if you look from his point of view. I actually think film music genre is very narrow for musician like Raja. Also, he didn't have the luxury of story driven cinema of old times or should I say MSV times? He didn't have the same array of brilliant actors, story/screen writers, Directors and studios set-up that made 1940-1970 the golden ages of Tamil Cinema. By the time, Raja entered cinema, Tamil cinema has changed drastically and studio system is in sharp decline and independents producers have become the real players.

I'm not saying Tamil cinema is not brilliant and directors are not great post 1970 era, but just that the overall strength of Tamil cinema collectively has declined. This is neither the fault of Raja or ARR. Simply the industry has changed with times or lost it's compass. Irrespective of the interpretation regarding the state of the film industry, it is harder to do good film music because of the changed trends. It has really affected Raja more because he is really old school in heart and believes in the integrity of cinema and music. He would have loved to belong to MSV and KVM generation than his generation or the current generation.

At the same time, he sees himself as an individual artist unlike his predecessors and doesn't want to be dictated solely by needs of film industry. He is unable to break the mold of the industry and go from being cog in the wheel to an independent artist. Whenever he tried to dictate terms as independent artist, people ran away from him. This is the same issue faced by actors like Kamal.

So I doubt he had the freedom to do what he thought he could do in music. Probably GVM has given him some free hand and at the same time provided something inspiring to try new things. This might be the reason for his current statement. Now, this doesn't mean his new work is gonna surpass his earlier work. It might be just that he has gotten a platform to try his musical ideas.



"915 padangalle appalamum oorugaiyum thaan koduththen...ippo thaan konjam saapaadu koduthirukken..GM padathula" - IR


appadiyaa, ilayaraja!

inga post panni erundha unga puthiran kuralil erukkara pattu sample panninen nethikku!

onnum innum oru spoon vangi sapada invite pannalai...:(

vera item yellathaiyum kondu vanga neengalum GVMnum,:twisted:



sample pannittu, nanga mudivu pannikkaram,

inimey unga veettu dinnerkku varum podhu, sapttuttu, chumma perukku thottuttu vandha porumannu!

IT DOESN'T FANCY MY TASTE!

though your invitation counts.. THANKS FOR THE THOUGHTS!

[kiru]

I am with senthilv.com on this. No need to be harsh on the genius..He is just referring to appalam, oorukkai for film music as it is not possible to do much serious work there. He has mentioned this privately to many in friendly situations .. he has to maintain a rhythm.. some familiar structure etc.
This song seems to be a fusion of jazz and rock elements. He has been learning Jazz from his Hungarian friends and he is debuting his works in this film.. that is why he refers to this movie to be somewhat in that line. Please note, he says it with a laugh. It is quite possible for what he has accomplished in this film he is really being humble.
He is not like other MDs just for the sake of doing a Jazz song, to take some Jazz standards and improvise on it. He will do original work and this song is likely to be very original. I think we probably need to get initiated into this genre (Jazz). We need some critiquing from some Jazz listeners.
(BTW, the recording quality is awesome.)

[crvenky]

Prasad,

As I said earlier, people seem to have different criteria. If it is sruthi for you, it could be the murder of language for others. (For example, in Kannada, Udit Narayan sings , 'nA jothege' clearly as ' nachO dekhe', turning Kannada into Hindi. He does that in sruthi suddham way but it is still not pleasant to the ears.)


Suresh, a small nitpick. Its not 'nA jothege'. Its 'naachOdu eke' ('why do you blush?'). The way he pronouces sounds Hindi'ish. Still its tolerable, I would say.

[Sureshs65]

CRV,

Thanks. I stand corrected. Didn't know this. But I clearly hear 'nAcho Dekhe' :)

[Sureshs65]

Aaahaaa. One one minute sample and ivvalo periya panchayatA? I am really surprised at the murderous attack on Yuvan !!! :) Anyway I am sure that Raja can never do anything less than brilliant. So I am more than sure the songs are going to be top class.

kiru: I think Raja is already into the jazz genre and has given some lovely numbers in Paa, Om Shanthi and Suryakanthi. Some parts of ASK BGM are also jazz. He is probably extending what he has been doing and taking it to the next level.

[Plum]

Thiruvasagam is a massive subject and Western Classical /Oratorio is another massive subject. The composer who tries to merge both the subjects is expected to know at least 80% of both the subjects. I need not vouch for Ilayaraja’s knowledge in both the areas.

In order to review such works the reviewer should have considerable knowledge on both the subjects. I have not come across anyone yet who knows the grammar of an Oratorio and Thiruvasagam together. What I mean is the reviewer’s knowledge should be more than what “Google” search offers. I feel this is essential in order to understand this genre of music.

In the world of Amateur reviewers and Bloggers, I see this. Play the CD and listen to all 6 tracks and start writing a review, “song-A” has mesmerizing counter points all over the track. I bet from the technical side, only a minority would really know about a counter point. There will be just a handful who really understands counter points placed between Thiruvasagam verses.

The next comment, The pitch and landing problems during the rendering. “Many have commented verses are off key in few places and bothering”, I find this to be totally superficial. This is what Ilayaraja has been singing in the movies. This is a known fact that he goes off-key on various occasions in film songs. Nothing new, we need to remember this is not a song, This is a verse so I really do not know if this would fit into the grammar of Carnatic music while rendering.
Yes! I hear "Picth is important in any kind of music" Frankly, this issue does not write off the entire effort. If you don’t agree with me, you should be ready to write of all the songs sung by him in the past.

Crossover or not? How many really know what crossover is all about? Or I would rephrase, what is crossover music? From what little I know - If you remove the lead vocals, this would be a top class western classical work and if you remove the backgrounds scores this would be a Thiruvasagam rendering. Nothing would change; The scores blends well in most “points” when mixed, frankly the blending and negotiations seemed seamless in most places. Why does it blend? Harmonies, Harmonies blend both the forms perfectly and in fact I was amazed to find we can do such things in harmony construction. When a new genre is born there would be confusion that could draw criticism due to lack of knowledge.

Tamilians have been exposed to Ilayaraja’s style of western classical arrangement for 2 decades now. Hence most would not hesitate to second-guess or compare musical parts from his earlier movie tracks. This just shows the enormous following Raja has in film music genre. But think about a westerner who has not heard his work before, he/she would find it unique and talk about this, after all this can encourage more composers to work on this new genre.

Considering all these factors, as I mentioned my Blog http://srikanthd.blogspot.com earlier, Thiruvasagam Oratorio by Illayaraja should NOT be reviewed or compared with any kind of film music. This is different and this needs proper mood to listen. The finer points in music needs to be understood as a whole package, this takes time, time in the sense a calendar not a stopwatch. Bottom line as a whole package - this effort is unique and an experiment that will open a new genre for composers. , a good start.



I think a point srikanth makes here is important - tamizhum theriyaNin, musicum theriyaNin. SP, JesuaNNA all can never - sorry for this hyperbole - be conveyed the essence of thiruvasagam as IR envisioned it, and also the culture aspect of it. For all their greatness. And I dont a singer in TN who is as much an expert in tamil verses, and has more than a passing interest in understanding the nuances and philosophy of TV combined with the spiritual and philosophhical undertones, plus being a good singer himself. TiS without IR would have been D"ivine Nectar" prepared(Or attempted to be prepared) from a third-hand recipe downloaded from an internet site, which picked it in passing from a TV programme.

[AravindMano]

நேற்று ரேடியோ மிர்ச்சி அலைவரிசையில் இயக்குனர் கவுதம்மேனன் பங்குபெற்று, இசைஞானியுடனான அவரது ‘நீதானே என் பொன் வசந்தம்’ பட அனுபவங்களைப் பகிர்ந்து கொண்டார். நிகழ்ச்சியைத் தவற விட்டவர்களுக்காய்:

கே: ராஜா Sir – Gowtham Menon இந்தக் Combination அமைந்தது எப்படி? சொல்லுங்கள்.

ப: Starting from மின்னலே, எல்லா படத்துக்கும் ராஜா Sir’ஐக் கேட்கலாம் என்றுதான் நினைப்பேன். Because I grew up with his Music. ”நீதானே என் பொன்வசந்தம்” படம் ஒரு 50% Shoot பண்ணி முடித்துவிட்டேன். கதாநாயகியின் பெயர் நித்யா. அதில் ஒரு காட்சி..! ‘நினைவெல்லாம் நித்யா’ படத்தில் வரும் ‘நீதானே என் பொன்வசந்தம்’ பாடலை Jeeva கதாநாயகிக்காகப் பாடுவார். அப்போதுதான் எனக்குத் தோன்றியது .. ‘இது ராஜா Sir படத்தில் வரும் பாடலின் வரிகள்’. எனவே அவரைக் கேட்கலாம்’ என்று. என் தயக்கத்தைத் தவிர்த்து நேராகப் போய் அவரை சந்தித்தேன். நான் அவரை சந்திப்பேன் என்று அவரும் எதிர்பார்க்கவில்லை. நான் வேறு ஏதோ விஷயமாக அவரை சந்திக்க வந்திருக்கிறேன் என்றுதான் அவரும் நினைத்திருப்பார் என்று எண்ணுகிறேன். அவரிடம் நான் ‘Sir.. ஒவ்வொரு முறையும் உங்களிடம் வரவேண்டும் என்று நினைப்பேன். ஆனால் எனக்கு Guts இல்லை. இப்போது என்னுடைய Work பற்றி உங்களுக்குத் தெரிந்திருக்கும் என்ற நம்பிக்கையில் வந்திருக்கிறேன். இந்தப் படத்துக்கு நீங்கள்தான் இசையமைக்க வேண்டும்’ என்று கூறினேன். அவரும் ‘ஆமா..! உங்க Work பற்றி எனக்குத் தெரியும்’ என்று சிரித்துக்கொண்டே கூறினார். நான் Shoot பண்ண காட்சிகள் எல்லாம் அவருக்குப் போட்டுக்காட்டினேன். இந்தப் படத்தைப் பற்றி நிறைய விஷயங்கள் அவரிடம் பேசினேன். ‘Wonderful’ என்றார்.

கே: ராஜா Sir’உடன் உங்களுடைய composing அனுபவம் எப்படி இருந்தது ?

ப: Second Meeting’லேயே Composing ஆரம்பித்து விட்டார். Payment’ஓ.. Advance’ஓ… எதுவுமே அவர் என்னிடம் பேசவில்லை. Situation சொல்லுவேன். ‘What kind of Music do you want?’ அப்டின்னு கேட்பார். மிகவும் பயத்துடன், எனக்குத் தெரிந்த Genre எல்லாம் அவரிடம் சொன்னேன். “Male Voice.. அதுக்கப்பறம் கொஞ்சம் Silence.. பின்னர் Guitar.. வேணும்”..! இப்படி அவரிடம் நிறைய Explain செய்தேன். “ஓ.கே.” என்றார். வெறும் ஹார்மோனியம்தான். தரையில்தான் உட்கார்ந்திருந்தோம். அவருடைய Prasad Studio’வில்தான் கம்போஸிங் நடைபெற்றது. இதற்காக வெளியில் எங்கும் செல்லவில்லை. ஒன்றன் பின் ஒன்றாக Situation சொல்லச் சொல்ல அள்ளிக்கொடுத்துக்கொண்டே இருந்தார். ஒரு மூன்று Tunes கொடுத்தவுடன்.. “Sir.. இன்னிக்கி இது போதும்” என்றேன். ‘இல்ல இல்ல… நல்ல Flow’வில் இருக்கிறது. வரட்டும்” என்றார். நான் அவரிடம் “Sir.. இவ்வளவு விஷயங்களை என்னால் உள்வாங்கிக் கொள்ள முடியவில்லை” என்றேன். ஏனென்றால் I needed to settle down with that Music.

“Do you think I’ve come prepared?” என்று என்னிடம் பதிலுக்குக் கேட்டார். உண்மையில் அப்படித்தான் இருந்தது. இவர் ஏற்கெனவே எங்கேயோ Compose செய்து பாடல்களை Readymade’ஆகக் கொண்டுவந்தது போலத்தான் இருந்தது. ஆனால் உண்மையில் அப்படி இல்லை. அவர் ஆர்மோனியத்தில் கை வைக்கும்போதுதான் அந்த Tune பிறக்கிறது. அது உண்மையில் Mind Blowing. ஒரு மூன்று நாட்களில் 14 Tunes கொடுத்தார். எனக்குப் படத்தில் 8 பாடல்கள்தான் தேவைப்பட்டது. “You decide what you want. நீங்க கேட்ட Situation’களுக்கு நான் Tunes கொடுத்திருக்கிறேன். எது Best’ஓ அதை நீங்க Choose பண்ணிகிட்டு வாங்க. இதுதான் மற்றவர்களிடமும் நான் செய்வது” என்றார். நான் அவர் குரலில் அவர் பாடித் தந்த Tune’களை வைத்து ஒரு 24 மணி நேரம் Work செய்தேன். அதன்பின்னர் 2 நாட்கள் கழித்து ‘இந்த இந்த Tunes எனக்கு வேண்டும்” என்று 8 பாடல்களை அவரிடம் கொடுத்தேன்.

கே: லண்டனுக்குச் சென்று அவருடன் பாடல்கள் பதிவு செய்த அனுபவம்..??

ப: Voices மட்டும் இங்கே Record பண்ணிக்கொள்ளலாம் என்று முடிவு செய்தோம். இங்கே Top Singers பாடிய பாடல்களின் வெறும் Voices’ஐ மட்டும் எடுத்துக்கொண்டு London சென்றோம். ‘இதற்கு எப்படி Music வரும். எப்படி செய்வார்?’ என்று யோசித்துக்கொண்டே இருந்தேன். அவருக்கு ஏற்கெனவே வாசித்திருந்த Budapest கலைஞர்களுடன் London Angel Studio’வை ஏற்கெனவே மூன்று வாரங்களுக்கு Block பண்ணிவைத்துவிட்டு, prepared’ஆகத்தான் சென்றோம். அங்கே Musicians தயாராக இருந்தனர். அவர்களுக்கு வெறும் Papers மட்டும்தான் கொடுத்தார். No talking at all. உதாரணத்திற்கு Guitar’ல் ‘டிங்.. டிங்.. டிங் டிங்” அப்படி கூட சொல்ல மாட்டார். Notes கொடுப்பார். அதைப் பார்த்துவிட்டு They’ll Play..! அவ்வளவுதான். ஏற்கெனவே அவருடைய Mind’ல் அந்த Music இருக்கிறது. ‘நான் ஹார்மோனியத்தில் Compose செய்யும்போதே இந்த Music வரும் என்று எனக்குத் தெரியும்’ என்கிறார். எல்லாம் என் கண் முன்னர் Unfold ஆகி வாசிக்கப்படும்போது, I saw Music being created. Music being Born.

கே: இணையத்தில் ராஜா Sir’ஐ Coat & Suit’ல் பார்த்தோம். அவருடைய Look’ல் மாற்றம் இருந்தது. அது எப்படிச் சாத்தியம் ஆயிற்று?

ப: அவரிடம் அதெல்லாம் ஏற்கெனவே இருந்தது. நான் அவரிடம் “Sir.. Recording’ஐ shoot பண்ணப் போகிறோம். பொதுவாக படத்தில் இருந்துதான் காட்சிகளை Trailer’களில் காண்பிப்பார்கள். ஆனால் இந்தப் படத்திற்கு ‘Making Video’க்களைத் தான் Trailer’களில் காண்பிக்கப் போகிறோம்” என்று சொன்னேன். மேலும் ‘நீங்கள் செய்வது எல்லாம் எனக்குப் புதிதாக இருக்கின்றது. 108 Piece Orchestra.. Music Notes பார்த்து கலைஞர்கள் இசைக்கின்றனர். I want to record all that. இதற்காக Suit போட்ட Look’ல் இருக்கலாமா Sir?” என்று கேட்டேன். சிரித்தார். “Are you Sure?” என்றார். “ஆமா Sir.. நன்றாக இருக்கும்’ என்றேன். ‘OK’ என்றார். அவரிடம் 4 Suits இருந்தது. கொண்டுவந்திருந்தார். இடையில் என்றாவது ஒரு நாள் ‘நான் இன்று White & White’ல் வருகிறேன்’ என்று சொல்லிவிடுவார்..! நான் எதுவும் Force பண்ணவில்லை. He gladly accepted to that.

கே: “சாய்ந்து சாய்ந்து’ பாடலின் Situation என்ன? சொல்லுங்கள்.

ப: நாயகனும் நாயகியும் பேசிக்கிட்டு இருக்காங்க. அப்போ Suddenly அவள் “I Love You” என்கிறாள். உடனே ஒரு Male voice துவங்குகிறது. பின்னர் Guitar and Percussion இணைகிறது. அப்போது இருவரும் Kiss பண்ணத் துவங்குகிறார்கள். பின்னர் பாடல் Break ஆகி அதன்பின்னர் தொடர்ந்து வருகிறது. அவள், “என்ன நீ ஒண்ணுமே சொல்லவில்லையே?” என்று கேட்கிறாள். அவன் “அதுதான் சொன்னேனே” என்கிறான். அதாவது, அவள் அவனிடம் Propose பண்ணதிற்கு அந்த முத்தம்தான் அவனது பதில். இவ்வளவுதான் Situation. நான்தான் ராஜா Sir’இடம், “Sir.. இந்தப் பாடலுக்கு யுவனைப் பாடவைக்கலாம்” என்று சொன்னேன்.

கே: வேறு யாரெல்லாம் பாடியிருக்கிறார்கள்?

யுவன் தமிழில் ஒன்று, தெலுங்கில் ஒன்று பாடியிருக்கிறார். பாடகர் ஷான் ஒரு பாடல், கார்த்திக் ஒரு பாடல், கலைவாணர் என்.எஸ்.கிருஷ்ணன் அவர்களின் Granddaughter ரம்யா இரண்டு பாடலும் பாடியிருக்கிறார்கள். Altogether It will be new. இது ராஜா Sir Music’னு தெரியும். ஆனால் மிகவும் புதிதாக இருக்கும். எல்லாமே Script songs..! கதையுடன் வருவது. Second Half’ல் ஐந்து பாடல்கள். Actually the songs will carry forward the Story. எந்த பாடலுமே தேவையில்லாதது என்ற ஒரு Feel இருக்காது.

கே: ராஜா Sir’ன் இசை மீது ஒரு காதல் உங்களுக்கு எப்போது ஏற்பட்டது?

ப: இதை நான் அவரிடமே சொன்னேன். அதாவது ‘நான் கேட்டு வளர்ந்த Music உங்களுடையதுதான். என்னுடைய 13வது வயதில் இருந்து… அல்லது .. Music .. Films என்று ஒரு awareness வரும் இல்லையா? அந்த சமயத்தில் எல்லாம் நான் கேட்டது அவருடைய Music’தான். நான் திருச்சிக்குச் சென்று படித்தபோதும், அங்கேயும் like minded friends ஒரு பத்து பதினைந்துபேர் அவர் பாடல்களையே கேட்டுக்கொண்டு இருப்பார்கள். அவரைப் பற்றியே பேசிக்கொண்டிருப்போம். அன்னக்கிளியில் துவங்கி அவர் எப்படி எல்லாம் இசையமைத்திருக்கிறார் என்று நிறைய பேசுவோம். நான் அவரிடமே “My Music was defined by your songs” என்று சொன்னேன்.

இது எனக்கு மட்டுமில்லை. எல்லோரும் அவர் இசை கேட்டு வளர்ந்தவர்கள்தான். எனக்கு நன்றாக நினைவிருக்கிறது. ஒருமுறை சூர்யா இரவு 11.30 மணிக்கு, ”பாண்டிச்சேரியில் இருந்து drive பண்ணிகிட்டு வர்றேன்” என்றார். “என்ன சூர்யா? சொல்லுங்க.” என்றேன். “எனக்கு ஒரு சின்ன Thought. ராஜா Sir இசையில் நானும் நீங்களும் ஒரு படம் பண்ணனும்” என்றார். ‘என்ன திடீர்னு?” என்றேன். ‘தெரியல .. வரும்போது அவர் பாடல்களைக் கேட்டுக்கொண்டே வந்தேன். இது மாதிரி பாடல்கள்.. Feel… இதெல்லாம் யாரும் இதுவரையில் கொடுத்ததே இல்லை. அதனால் நானும் நீங்களும் சேர்ந்து அவர் இசையில் ஒரு படம் பண்ணனும்” என்றார். அது போல நிறைய வகையில் எல்லோரிடத்திலும் அவருடைய இசையின் தாக்கம் ஏதோ வகையில் இருக்கிறது. Music For me is defined by Ilayaraja Sir”.

நன்றி: ரேடியோ மிர்ச்சி, செந்தில், இயக்குனர் கவுதம் மேனன்

[Shankar.P]

for the doubters...just hear this. what we are looking @ is the tip of an iceberg...that is all I can say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=PHFRJd9bAyA&NR=1

[AravindMano]

for the doubters...just hear this. what we are looking @ is the tip of an iceberg...that is all I can say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=PHFRJd9bAyA&NR=1

Fake. Confirmed by the official twitter account.

[Sureshs65]

Gautham Menon: "நான்தான் ராஜா Sir’இடம், “Sir.. இந்தப் பாடலுக்கு யுவனைப் பாடவைக்கலாம்” என்று சொன்னேன். "

For those who don't understand Tamil, Gautham Menon says, "I am the one who suggested to Raja sir that we will make Yuvan sing this song"

I hope people who thought Raja was making Yuvan sing coz he was his son may want to reconsider :D

[baroque]

Why should we?

yeah... Manir, Kamal to cheran as directors, they request/tell their wishes, needs..

at the end Ilayaraja is responsible.

so... Raja , poor singing podadheenga! It's your dear art, we want to cherish and enjoy for life!

Whatever little sample is out , very disappointing...:(


++++++++++++++++

Jazz & it's different forms IR has done from 80s.

[raja_fan]

"Naan THAAN raja sir idam Yuvanai..."

Seems Goutham takes the blame after hearing wide feedbacks that the song has disappointed 50% of the listeners :)

[baroque]

who cares whether Gowtham is generous to save IR or it's a fact, his request..

Ilayaraja is the music composer, he is responsible at the end!

Bad first impression for the album from IR-GVM!

[prasad_subbu]

Suresh,

Good that Gautam is the one who asked YSR voice. But as Vinatha said, the onus is on IR too to make it heard appropriately. Same song can have another version like how IR did in past with his voice as well as SPB for some songs. That will satisfy both GVM and IR. If he did it, it will give choices according to people taste. Hopefully he did it..

I will go one step more than Vinatha and tell even composer should make sure that his product is recorded well and output is pleasing. Or else we will loose gems due to incompetency in other departments. I think NEPV will not have that problem as talented artists was hired and recording done in top class studios.

We heard from Karl(IR troup member) in this forum that IR's peak time outputs was murdered by Utaam Singh's recording. I would say IR has a part in it. Should he not have a check and care on how his output is delivered?

But I am happy about freshness of Sayndu Sayndu and the fact I could not relate the ludes to his past library. IR could come up with such a fresh tune without borrowing from his own massive library after 915 movies is mind boggling. For that I am already happy.

[Sureshs65]

Baroque,

I was addressing those who were saying that Raja made Yuvan sing because of 'putra paasam'. I have been maintaining that it has never been so in Yuvan's case and that GVM may have requested him. GVM has confirmed it now.

And yes, the final product is Raja's and he has to take the credit or the blame for the song.

As far as I am concerned, unlike you I am very much happy with this bit, I don't _any_ problem with Yuvan's singing (though he sings out of tune.) So you can continue to register your disappointment with the song and I will continue to register my happiness with it. That way we can achieve perfect equilibrium here :lol:

[Sureshs65]

raja_fan

Now that we are guessing, why don't we guess this way: Seeing the massive support received from Yuvan fans for this song, Gautham is trying to take credit :lol:

[Sureshs65]

Prasad,

I love the song and Yuvan's singing. So i can't make out what you guys are pissed about :lol:

[senthilv.com]

I am with senthilv.com on this. No need to be harsh on the genius..He is just referring to appalam, oorukkai for film music as it is not possible to do much serious work there. He has mentioned this privately to many in friendly situations .. he has to maintain a rhythm.. some familiar structure etc.
This song seems to be a fusion of jazz and rock elements. He has been learning Jazz from his Hungarian friends and he is debuting his works in this film.. that is why he refers to this movie to be somewhat in that line. Please note, he says it with a laugh. It is quite possible for what he has accomplished in this film he is really being humble.
He is not like other MDs just for the sake of doing a Jazz song, to take some Jazz standards and improvise on it. He will do original work and this song is likely to be very original. I think we probably need to get initiated into this genre (Jazz). We need some critiquing from some Jazz listeners.
(BTW, the recording quality is awesome.)

Kiru, I agree he has been itching to do something in jazz for a while. These teasers does sound different and sound engineering seems top notch.

Very interesting thing or paradoxical thing about Raja is... he will not try musical ideas or do anything extravagant which doesn't fit the film situation. He believes the characters/situation should speak through him or it should make him speak.

I read GVM's radio interview and his instruction to Raja 'Male voice...Silence... then guitar piece" IMHO, Raja hates this kind of approach. His music arrangements are not driven by methods. For him, the situation dictates musical arrangements. Lay out the situation fully, he will produce something great that perfectly fits the situation. Raja is probably overlooking these aspects because of GVM's reputation and his eagerness plus sincerity in getting good music. If it was an emerging director he probably would have said "Nee situation mattum solluppa, paattu thaana varum"

Making Yuvan sing is hedging bets in the commercial market. As much as Raja has a soft corner for his family troupe, i doubt he would have picked Yuvan for this song independently. Now that's film industry for you. You may be genius but you still have to work within the set-up.

Senthil

[San_K]

who cares whether Gowtham is generous to save IR or it's a fact, his request..

Ilayaraja is the music composer, he is responsible at the end!

Bad first impression for the album from IR-GVM!

ungalukku pudikkalainna vidungalen. summa ethana thadavathaan solluveenga :lol2:

All I can say, "pls wait for full album"

[Sureshs65]

Senthilv,

What I can see is that Raja has understood the current commerce of music and is OK to meet folks half way. See what happened for 'SreeRamaRajyam'. Bapu had _already_ asked the poet to compose all 15 songs!!! Then he requested Raja to tune for those lyrics!!! As you said, in earlier days, Raja may not have been very happy. But he did tune for 'SreeRamaRajyam' in great style and also participated in all its promotion activity!!! So I am surprised at his listening out to Gautham to get a feel of what Gautham is expecting for his movie.

[Plum]

One thing for puththira paasam allegers - from what I hear - and I will not divulge more - it does seem like he treats the family in the same way we are accustomeed to in his public persona. Except Karthikeyan - and I'll claim this shows IR knows his Gold from Bronze and Silver and Iron - nobody else gets any much respect from him even at home. avar ishtam dhAn. Including the late soul that departed last year.
idhukku mEla nAn solla mAttEn. So much for puthira paasam and nepotism. idhai en kitta sonnavar idhai oru character flawvA solli varuththa pattAr.

[MumbaiRamki]

Plum ,

Dont know how much true . One of my team member is a relative of IR family and knows Yuvan, Bhava very well . Dont think what you said is true . IR will not change is mind in music and rest all he is flexible

[senthilv.com]

Senthilv,

What I can see is that Raja has understood the current commerce of music and is OK to meet folks half way. See what happened for 'SreeRamaRajyam'. Bapu had _already_ asked the poet to compose all 15 songs!!! Then he requested Raja to tune for those lyrics!!! As you said, in earlier days, Raja may not have been very happy. But he did tune for 'SreeRamaRajyam' in great style and also participated in all its promotion activity!!! So I am surprised at his listening out to Gautham to get a feel of what Gautham is expecting for his movie.


Agree Suresh. He is willing to be more flexible nowadays. Having said that, I think he always understood the commerce of music and cinema. He worked to give what directors wanted. What he resented was irreverence to the craft of music and storytelling by producers, and meddling with his system of working without an iota of understanding.

He would probably allow you to say all you wanted before he composes or you can even ask for another tune but he probably would never accept to change notes in the tune he created, change the tempo, change instruments or arrangements.

Also, I don't think he is against composing music for lyrics. His complaint is, some poets don't understand writing lyrics for a given situation/character and believes that good writing doesn't always translate to good song and good music. And his other point is, poets don't understand his music and make his life harder. I actually agree with his points. Compare this with writers writing specifically for Sivaji, MGR, Kamal, Rajni to bring out their best. I don't see how this could be different for Raja. So if situation warrants, as was the case of Ramarajyam, he will compose for lyrics but you better have a damn good reason for it.

In cinema everything should serve the purpose of story, character, actors, aesthetics and artistic style. Everything else is gibberish. I think Raaja has very deep understanding of this basic aspect.

Senthil

[kiru]

@senthilv.com & suresh65 - I am quite happy with the way the conversation went with GVM. I think IR is adjusting to the generation gap between him and newcomers like GVM, Balki etc. Please note, the use of english in the conversation, this avoids/tempers the usual reactions that could have come forth a bit raw in the native tongue.
I think GVM is a very smart guy and I am inclined to believe him when he says the music will have IR's stamp and it will be different. Since it will be different/fresh we need to be a little patient and hear it with an open mind.
(re:jazz .. I meant this album is more into this genre (than previous ones)).

[baroque]

I am also waiting with all enthu for the rest of the tracks, guys!

:-D

[Sureshs65]

Senthil,

Fully agree with all your views. As I said Raja is adjusting himself to the new commerce of film making and film music but it is impossible that he will let anyone meddle with his music. He will patiently hear what the director / producer wants but once he has composed no one, including him, can change a single note. That is what M G Sreekumar told in an interview.

"In cinema everything should serve the purpose of story, character, actors, aesthetics and artistic style. Everything else is gibberish. I think Raaja has very deep understanding of this basic aspect."

Absolutely. Plum calls this narrative integrity. Raja will never get away from this path. That is my assessment. Even though he may be very flexible in external stuff, like attending CD release functions or praising the director etc, when it comes to his craft, he will maintain that integrity. Unfortunately the whole movie industry has moved from 'music should be integral part of the film' to 'music should be album based and caller tune based' !!!

[Gregorysab]

My initial reaction from that little piece I heard:

just ok kind. Disappointing from raaja's-standard point-of-view. But yes, it is premature to write off.

The teasers of Padithurai, Happi or even the teaser of SRR got me more excited when i heard them first. But not this one.

Though I am happy about IR-GVM partnership, I still maintain what I wrote months ago - that my expectations are somewhat grounded. Thats because I dont see GVM as someone with a keen sense of music (atleast the ones he took for his films). Yes, he is (marginally)better than many directors but nothing really great. From all his films, I liked just 1 song from Minnale, 1 song from Vaaranam aayiram, 1 song from khaka khaka & about 2-3 songs from VTV. Thats about it. He likes raaja's music a lot though. So, this movie's music could be very good. But its better to expect less and get surprised rather than having high expectations and getting disappointed. But lets hope there are still some good numbers in this film. Lets wait and see how songs shape up.

[KV]

engu thodanginOm,
enge selgindrom,
ondrumE vilangavillai.

kanfdant illaadha baays!

[groucho070]

First time kEtkumpOthu kaduppu, but then I realise the song is not meant for Kamal or Rajini. For Jeeva, Yuvan can do.

[raja_fan]

grouch...,

Rajini kamal kaalam ellaam mudinju pochchu.
So IR needs to be more careful for people like Jeeva.
I would have liked some other youngster like Karthik / Haricharan / Naresh Iyer instead of Yuvan.
Another reason is that IR could have avoided people saying "IR had Yuvan's help in this film".
That kind of remark is very well possible considering the new generation's ignorance about IR.

[groucho070]

raja_fan, yeah, I understand what you are trying to say. I am one of the biggest anti-Yuvan_the_singer activists here . But considering the star's magnitude, Yuvan can pass. But you are right, antha levelleyum vera option irukkE...what to do...

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

கௌதம் மேனன் ராஜா பாமாலை பாடுவதை சிலர் செயற்கையானது என்றும் சமயத்துக்கு தக்க ஜால்ரா என்றும் கருதுகின்றனர். அதற்கு முக்கிய காரணம், நீதானே என் பொன்வசந்தம் படத்திற்கு, ராஜாவிடம் செல்லும்முன்னரே ரஹ்மானிடமும், பின் அவர் மறுக்க, ஹாரிஸிடமும் கேட்டு அவரும் மறுத்த பின்னரே ராஜாவிடம் வந்ததாக கருதுவது. இது உன்மையா தெரியாது. அதே சமயம் கௌதம், ஒவ்வொரு படம் செய்யும்போதும் ராஜாவிடம் செல்லலாமா என எண்ணியதுன்டு என்று கூறுவதையும் சிலர் நம்ப மறுக்கின்றனர். அதுவும் உன்மையா, அவர் அப்படி நிஜமாகவே நினைத்தாரா தெரியாது.

ஆனால் இதை எப்படி பார்க்கவேன்டும் என்றால், கௌதம், ஏற்கனவே வாரணம் ஆயிரம் படத்தில் ராஜாவின் பாடல்களை நுழைத்திருப்பார். ஆனால் அது செயற்கையாக தெரிந்ததில்லை. அதற்கு முன்னரே பல இயக்குனர்களும் ராஜாவின் பாடல்களை இதுபோல் பயன்படுத்தியது உண்டு (உதாரணம் பின்னணியில் ஒலிப்பது போல்) ஆனால் கௌதம் முதல்முறையாக இதை செய்தார். அது படத்திற்கு பொருத்தமாகவே இருந்தது திணிக்கப்பட்டதல்ல.

சூர்யா ஒருமுறை ராஜா-கௌதம் காம்பினேஷனில் நாம் ஒரு படம் செய்தால் என்ன என்று கௌதமிடம் கேட்டதாக தெரிகிறது. இது மிகவும் இயல்பானது! இன்றைய நடிகர்கள் இயக்குனர்கள் பலருக்கும் தோன்றி இருக்கக்கூடிய, இனிமேலும் தோன்றக்கூடிய விஷயம் தான். ஆனால் அவர்கள் பலரும், அதை செயல்படுத்த முனைவதில்லை. கௌதம் செய்திருக்கிறார். ஆக, இவ்வளவு நாள் அவர் ஹாரிசிடமும், ஒரு முறை ரஹ்மானிடம் சென்றதால், அவருக்கு முந்தய படங்களின் போது, ராஜாவிடம் செல்லும் யோசனை வந்திருக்கும் என்றால் அது நடந்திருக்க கூடியதே. அதாவது அப்படி ஒரு எண்ணம் கௌதமிற்கு நிஜமாகவே தோன்றி இருக்க அதிக வாய்ப்புண்டு. அவர் பேச்சும் செயலும் அவருக்குள் இருக்கும் ரசிகனை நன்றாகவே வெளிச்சம் போட்டு காட்டுகிறது!

இவ்வளவு நாள் கழித்து, அவர் ராஜாவிடம் வந்தது நல்ல விஷயம் தான். நிச்சயம் இது மற்ற இயக்குனர்களுக்கும் ஒரு ஊக்கத்தை தர அதிகம் வாய்ப்புள்ளது!

[Sureshs65]

grouch...,

Another reason is that IR could have avoided people saying "IR had Yuvan's help in this film".
That kind of remark is very well possible considering the new generation's ignorance about IR.

:lol: raja_fan, it seems more like you would give ideas to the younger generation. They seem to be quite aware of Raja's work and style.

[prasad_subbu]

sakala,

That article seems to be true. Any person in GVM's age group can't escape IR. Most of them do not come to him as he for most part is not commercially viable for them as big banners.(producers might ask for new guys, sellability etc). In that GVM know how to market IR in different way and hence found viability. That is Good.

Given the hype, if album is good, IR will become commercially viable and so many others with GVM's age group might decide to work with IR. That is why this album living upto or exceeding expectation is very important for all IR fans.

[jaiganes]

I am also waiting with all enthu for the rest of the tracks, guys!

:-D

akkov.. nambiten akkov...;-)

[raja_fan]

Suresh,

Not at all !
I have heard many "younger generations" saying "IR's sons are now helping IR in catching up with the new trends".
Particularly when "Friends" became a hit, one of my younger generation friend said "IR ellaam mohan hits thaan..ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga"

[baroque]

akkov.. nambiten akkov...;-)

GVM-Harris pazhasu.....GVM-IR pudhusu!

GVM & Ilayaraja is latest ma!:smokesmirk:

[V_S]

ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga
Joke of the century! Avangathaan indha maathiri sweeping statements kodukuraanga'na, is it not our responsibility to show them the real facts, by giving some awesome examples like Hey!Ram, Virumaandi, Pazhassi Raja, or SRR or Paa or Naan Kadavul and the whole bunch of Malayalam classics. Can Karthik or Yuvan even imagine in their dreams to compose these classics? What a shame to IR and his fans, it cannot be worse than this.

[V_S]

We already are having a fine example in NEPV. Did IR take Karthik or Yuvan along with him to London to record NEPV to compose as per the latest trend? or Did he take advise from them for composing Chinna POlike or Edaya Bagilu or Mudhi Mudhi or Cheeni Kum hai? Not even in any composers wildest dream, these compositions could even accidently step in, leave alone his sons.

[Sureshs65]

V_S,

vidunga. raja_fanukku idhellam sagajam :) He will never correct anyone who has anything bad to say about Raja but faithfully reproduce it here !!! So don't get worked up. Anyone who has some musical sense can know where Raja stands and where others stand.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Particularly when "Friends" became a hit, one of my younger generation friend said "IR ellaam mohan hits thaan..ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga"
Raja_fan
Unga akkarai, vizhippunarchchi, podhu sevai - idhellaam mei silirkka vekkudhu :notworthy: :clap: :sabaash:

[app_engine]

Particularly when "Friends" became a hit

Friends MFM (which came first) is infinitely better than Friends TFM.

May be IR got bored to do the remake & subcontracted it to his sons :wink:

[San_K]

unga kitta mattum intha maathiri aalunga maatraanga, enga kitta konjam anuppi vaiyunga

[teja]

Not sure why there are so many -ve opinions on Yuvan's singing. He's wan't that bad, IMO. More over, as some one pointed out, NEPV's protagonists are ameture singers. So, Yuvan's voice bodes well here.

Coming to the song, this is going to be one hell of an earworm. Highly catchy. Just watch how he connects Anupallavi back with pallavi (around 1:11). Perfect Rajamudra!

[Bala (Karthik)]

On the melody, adadaaaa.. vERu enna pEsa.. and hey hey hey (last few secs) => GOLD.

:yes:

[thumburu]

Yuvan's song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQUVbW-FTA

EKI Rajavae!!! Bhavatha poraadhunnu ippo Yuvaroda taarcharaa?
AmAm, indha maadhiri real , hollow guitaring ellaam andha "Amruthamaay" paatukku vechA [other than the start] thaan enna korachal?

VeLakkumaathukku pattu kunjalam

[V_S]

Thanks Suresh ji. I feel since we are accustomed and impacted by his music for almost more than decades, there is also another important role to be played as Raja fans (not applicable to others) apart from just listening and appreciating. That is, taking his music to previous generations as well as the current/younger generations, especially his post-90's collections. Many have almost forgot him or have such wrong impressions about him. This is the pity of a man given his life to music, and this could be the biggest disappointment any raja fan can have. This can be addressed (not solved) atleast by some good personal interaction with our friends and families by starting with their views on his music and slowly drawing attention to IR, his contributions and his unique specialities. It is not a proud activity, as a responsibility, I have at least made 100's of my (thamizh/telugu/kannada/hindi) friends listen to Raja frequently, especially his latest offering and then ask their honest views and how it compares to current scenario. I knew how they were 10 years before and how they changed now. They now feel how much they were missing IR compositions and listening to some mediocre stuff and claiming that's the best. Many in fact give me the news about his latest. Only question they have is why this glorious music is not reaching them. I too ask the same question to them, how come you know about others. It is your interest in them that seeks you to them, not that it automatically it comes to you. Same way, if you are interested in him, everything will follow you. In any case, I never force them to like any song, just give their merits. Nammaala mudinja oru siru ubayam. :smile:

[genesis]

ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga"

It is definitely possible...

Yuvan is well qualified to advise IR about how to make a foreign trip in the name of composing and depleting producer's bank account. (Bangkok, Singapore, Dubai, Vegas, Rio de Janeiro etc...). Poor IR composed most of his songs from a corner room in AVM studio.

[raja_fan]

Suresh and Bala,

Try to understand that I have already mentioned that it is their ignorance of IR that some of the "younger generation" speak like this.
Not once, I have come across many times when some of my friends say "IR is synonymous with Mohan hits".
They are not IR fans like us to stop by and appreciate works like Hey Ram etc.

Refrain from making personal ridicule on me. That is in bad taste. Please argue in a healthy way.

[raja_fan]

V_S,

vidunga. raja_fanukku idhellam sagajam :) He will never correct anyone who has anything bad to say about Raja but faithfully reproduce it here !!! So don't get worked up. Anyone who has some musical sense can know where Raja stands and where others stand.

Suresh,

Ungalukku ennai patri ennai vida adhigam therindhirukkirathu. Mikka nanri. Aanaal karuththai karuththaal vella muyarchchi seiyungal. Adhai vittu vittu kindal keli seithaal pirachchanai veru thisaila poidum. Nallathillai.

Moderators, please take care.

[KV]

I think we’re undervaluing IR’s reach among the youth. No, not that he’s the best known guy around, but he isn’t too ‘from-the-Jurassic’ either.
Some random instances:

Kadhalil sodhappuvadhu eppadi, made by Balaji Mohan, who I’m guessing is in his early twenties, and mostly seen as a movie targeted at today’s youth crowd, has a line that roughly goes ‘ava pEsardhu kEkkarappo, avalo inimaya, appidiyE Ilayaraja paattu kEkkara maadhiri irukkum’. A subplot in the film that revolves around the troubled parents of the lead lady, who are on the brink of a divorce, has valaiosai as BGM in a scene where they’re shown uniting again.
In Irumbu kOttai murattu singam, Lawrence sings the jadhi portion of azhagu malar aada and when questioned about who his guru is, he answers ‘ilayaraja’.
Scenes from GVM films where there’s reference to Raaja.
There’s a nightly program on the channel Isai Aruvi called ‘Innisai raja’ that features the Man’s songs. ‘avaru oru genius’, ‘legend’, ‘melody king’, ‘avaroda paattu ellam romba soothing aa irukkum’ are the oft-heard comments on the show, where the audience appear to be common folk regardless of age and not HCIRFs alone.
The point I’m trying to make here is that, Raaja’s name does make a ‘connect’ with the common man including the youth. Yes, he might not be construed a ‘youth icon’, but there’s a degree of respect and adoration that one can sense from the general public towards him and his music. Awareness of 'the legend amidst us' is undeniably present.

And I’m pretty sure that 80% of the crowd isn’t bothered too much about who the composer is – paattu nalla irukka, romba sandhosham. YSR aa - oh cool, GVP aa – ohho nice, ARR aa – oh lovely, IR aa – oh beautiful, ippidi comment kuduthutu, paatta kEttOma, rightu; naan undu en velai undu nu poidvaanga.

‘ada idhellaam bullet point pOttu solli dhaan theriyanuma’ nu thOnudhu. In fact I don’t even feel like posting this thing! But ezhudhi tholachaachu, post pannidren!
Gauthama budhdhar albaththa release pannaama ippadi polamba vekkiraare :evil: :hammer:

[San_K]

Oh cool cool and stop everything. Let us wait for release of the album or another teaser :mrgreen:

[vel]

Joke of the century! Avangathaan indha maathiri sweeping statements kodukuraanga'na, is it not our responsibility to show them the real facts, by giving some awesome examples like Hey!Ram, Virumaandi, Pazhassi Raja, or SRR or Paa or Naan Kadavul and the whole bunch of Malayalam classics. Can Karthik or Yuvan even imagine in their dreams to compose these classics? What a shame to IR and his fans, it cannot be worse than this.

V_S, thoongaravangala mattum ezhupunga.....thoongara maadhiri nadikiravangala freeýa vidunga.....it will be a waste of your time and energy.....I am guessing you are relatively new to the forum to understand the underlying motives of how and why some people post in this thread.....

[vel]

‘ada idhellaam bullet point pOttu solli dhaan theriyanuma’ nu thOnudhu. In fact I don’t even feel like posting this thing! But ezhudhi tholachaachu, post pannidren!


adhey dhaan....

[raja_fan]

adhey dhaan....

Vel,

Why this indirect bashing ? Speak to me directly please...

I am again and again stressing :
that kind of opinion about IR was from my IGNORANT friends who do not care to evaluate valuable music from the junk. It is not my opinion..And I did not say here that I just accepted the view of my friends and did not put effort in changing that.

My point in telling that here is that IR could have avoided strengthening of this opinion by opting out Yuvan from this album. Because whether we like or not, opinions of these kind of people matter in the market and image.

Idhukku poi "thoongaravan..nadikkaravan" nu enyaa tension aagareenga ?

Who are you to certify anybody's motives here ? Please attack my points instead of personal attacks.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

KV, that was a good post saar! Appappo remind pannikittu irukkanum, thappE illai nguren!

[irir123]

dig - what happened to the NEPV thread in the film hub ?

[jaiganes]

dig - what happened to the NEPV thread in the film hub ?
oh adhuvaa - raasa iskoolukku poi sumaaraana jazz kudukkaporaarnu theerppu aaiduchu ange.

[Plum]

idhellAm edhir katchi sadhi. epdiyO avanga objective(NEPV thread removal from main section) niRaivERiyadhu. edhukku ivLO kastapattu seyal puriyarAngannu dhAn puriyala. audio release paNNavunE super flop audio-nu (modern trend illai, mylapore trend illai) solla dhAn neRaiya chance kedaikkumE avangaLukku..ippOvE edhukku nadavadikkai edukkaRAngannu dhAn puriyala.

[irir123]

jaiganes - nalla soodana thread adhu - naan potta postukku, roshan enna respond pannaarunnu paarka ponaal, threadaiye kaanom !

[irir123]

Plum - ippadiyellaam vera sadhi nadakkudhaa inga ? naan potta post oru ferfectly legitimate post quoting from a ferfectly legitimate website's review of IR's jazzy forays!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

namma ellorum serntu naattaamai ya kelvi keppom. Atleast filter pannittu appadiye restore panna sollaNum. Vida kuudaathu :evil:

[Plum]

irir123 - nInga apdiyApatta legitimate response kodukkaRa aLavukku ellAm worth illeng...vidunga

[Plum]

SKV - I was jesting. Cleaning in progressnu moderator aRivichuttArE. irundhAlum, en post oNNu kooda delete Agi irukkattum, nAn supreme court varaikkin pOvEn.

[jaiganes]

SKV - I was jesting. Cleaning in progressnu moderator aRivichuttArE. irundhAlum, en post oNNu kooda delete Agi irukkattum, nAn supreme court varaikkin pOvEn.
supreme court yaarunga? voottukaarammava?

[V_S]

Musical contributions by Maestro cannot be and should never be compared with others. In a way we are diminishing his talent by doing this. Whatever he is doing/has done is not something humanly possible at all and comparing his work with another human will never give a true picture. When we are talking about Jazz, if it hits you on face like it is Jazz, then there is no compliment to the composer (IMHO). Even I am including NEPV here. If it is straight from those genres, I may not like it, but I am very confident that Maestro will never do that. Just take that wonderful article by Vicky in solvanam. How brilliantly he showcased Maestro's skills in Jazz by just taking the rhythm aspect alone. Even in that rhythm, he only focussed on Waltz rhythm (3/4 time signature). With just rhythm aspect alone he could come with around 30 tracks (but it is not restricted to that). All done in 80's itself. Even in that 30 tracks, see the variations. Some were achieved with Tabla, some were with Drums, some were achieved with keyboard/piano (Jazz->rhythm->Waltz->Tabla, Jazz->rhythm->Waltz->Piano, Jazz->rhythm->Waltz->Drums). If you just change the time signature from Waltz to normal 4/4, you will get as many. But none of these compositions are tuned in Jazz (main melody). He always keeps these western influence away from the main melody, only supporting it in the ludes. All this is done without compromising on the nativity that is the biggest asset which many ignore.

Same way if we take his melodies composed in any particuar raagam, how many shades he has given in the same Kalyani or Natabairavi, which was already explored much in Pre-IR days itself. This is the real pushing of the envelope. He does not escape saying this raagam is already done. He believes there is still lot more scope to show the beauty/perspectives of this raagam. That's the confidence of any composer. Because we are composing only for Indian films. Same way if you take this instrument selections, with the same flute, violins and guitar, how many different interludes we have seen for various moods. He didn't shy away saying, I have used it many times. You take any perspective, you are bound to see his authority and the class. For all this, you need ample quantity of contribution to showcase any composers work and to prove the autority towards any genre, not just few here and there only to say he also did it. Just this quantity alone speaks of the biggest pushing of a smallest envelope. Just how a small seed containing everything it needs to become a giant tree. Once it is out of the earth it can take whatever direction it needs to expand without any limit. The trunk, every branch, every leaf and every flower has its own beauty, but we use it just for the shade and leave, not even looking at the tree.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

V_S, nobody compared. Compare pannura height layaa avar irukkaar?!? The opposite camp, and even the neutrals too may be disliking Ilaayaraja as a person but his Musical talent is like Sun and Stars whereas the other MDs of his and next gens can maximum be a light house.

There was no comparision, we just posted some striking examples of his jazz and other genre-based talents. When it comes to the other MD, I still have some precise questions to ask. Before that they locked the thread which is unfair.

Mods shud atleast open the NEPV-Digs Thread. Lets run a open poll. Those interested in re-opening the thread(may be with filtered content, which is OK) raise ur hand now! Me the 1st!

[KV]

Just how a small seed containing everything it needs to become a giant tree. Once it is out of the earth it can take whatever direction it needs to expand without any limit. The trunk, every branch, every leaf and every flower has its own beauty, but we use it just for the shade and leave, not even looking at the tree.

only v_s possible! kavitha kavitha :bow:

[prasad_subbu]

V_S,

Only from people like you, I could understand Raja has done so much. Or else, it is a normal listening for a commoner like me. I like his music and I know he has given them effortlessly and is naturally gifted. Other MDS work hard while for IR it comes easily with class.

But talking about IR so high, not humanly possible and all, I don't know how much it is true. Leave the current crop of MDs. The earlier MDs which IR himself admire like Naushad, SD Burman, MSV, Salilda.. should have done also great work for IR to admire them. Is it not true?

Then why IR is considered God. This I don't understand. To me he is alongside of those greats.

Continue sharing greatness of IR for a commoner like me in this thread.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

But talking about IR so high, not humanly possible and all, I don't know how much it is true. Leave the current crop of MDs. The earlier MDs which IR himself admire like Naushad, SD Burman, MSV, Salilda.. should have done also great work for IR to admire them. Is it not true?

Raja attributes his talent to the seniors u mentioned, no doubt. But Raja goes beyond comparison from even those seniors in lots of areas. It is kind of tough to explain that in words, but not impossible. It takes effort for somebody to make ppl like you get convinced. Actually those who attempt for that are ones who already have realized, not understood. But again it is very much possible to make ppl like u understand. Just one single album NEPV is not going to be enuf for that, inspite of that album being expected of great quality.

There are even composers who crossed 1000 films borders but nobody is being celebrated as Raja. But mask my words, one day will surely come, where most of those ppl( irritated by the feeling that Raja and his fans are too arrogant) too will understand the monstrous, incomparable, impeccable talent Mr.Raja possess.

As Prashan Jayatheepam (and few others, incl me) puts it, Raja is Somebody like Mozart Beethoven Version 2.0. No Single doubt in that!

Finally, the person who attempts to explain the masses the greatness of Raja will be one having both great musical tastes and technical knowledge of what music is. Only such a person can accomplish this.

[V_S]

But talking about IR so high, not humanly possible and all, I don't know how much it is true.
You know all this, I don't know why this question arises.

The quality and quantity speaks for himself and us. Has any human (leave alone composers) all round the world not just in India, could compose 60 whopping films with major hits and melodies and an average of 40 films per year for continuous period of 15-20 years covering multitude of moods, genres and painting drastically different picture of the task being taken in every possible minute opportunities. On top of just songs, add the Background scores of another 950 films which constitute of alteast 950 hours of music. This 950 hours of music if we divide by 30 minutes (as the average time of a soundtrack), it comes to 1900 films soundtrack. Add to 950 films, we get almost 3000 films. Assuming only 4 songs per film it comes to 12000 songs. Again these are not just another background scores, it is the benchmark in composing film scores. These are just about his film songs/background score alone. If we add his private albums, it will take you to around at-least 13000 songs. He is the only composer whose work has been analyzed by many.

Mind you, in every song of Maestro, you can find atleast minimum of 5 songs, with multiple genres. I will leave it you to calculate the total. You name any WCM technique, it is there in his composition. It is so complicated, very dense and throughly weaved, just like the thread in a silk saree. No diluted music. The genres he covered in his compositions is beyond anyone's imagination and in every genre he has not just tasted, he has ploughed deeply and thoroughly. He is equally talent in folk and classical in the same way he is talented in western genres. He is the only indian composer who is extremely thorough in WCM. He is the only music director who is so rooted and knows about each and every region, its tradition and music, without he needing to go to their places. It is all born inside him, before he was born.

He can write lyrics, compose, arrange, conduct, sing with absolutely no help from anyone (except for playing). All the ideas is contained in his single brain and he is the only composer (in the world) who is so spontaneous and prolific. He can write music directly without needing to play. He can even write the music in reverse mode. Since there is a time delay for his music to flow from his brain to his hand, during that gap much music is lost. All this is done in just a matter of 35 years and still going on strong. If this is human, I don't know what to tell. He is the rarest breed, you will never find one like him.


The earlier MDs which IR himself admire like Naushad, SD Burman, MSV, Salilda.. should have done also great work for IR to admire them. Is it not true?
Definitely true. He never forgets his forefathers and the path they have shown him. Even the same above music directors appreciated IR and his works so much.


To me he is alongside of those greats.
With due respect to yesteryear music directors, Please read above, on why he is different and stands apart. That's all I can say.

Those were just random thoughts, I have left lot many of his credentials. But let me stop and conclude stealing kiru's wordings (Thanks kiru). To beat a man like Ilaiyaraaja in music, it has to be another Ilaiyaraaja or a big team of composers/musicans/technologies all together, not just one single brain.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

V_S, take my bow Sir :clap: :ty:

[app_engine]

There are even composers who crossed 1000 films borders

Who is this?

Please tell (and please expect the next requirement - the list of films to prove that claim :mad:)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

It is all born inside him, before he was born.

If this is human, I don't know what to tell. He is the rarest breed, you will never find one like him.

To beat a man like Ilaiyaraaja in music, it has to be another Ilaiyaraaja or a big team of composers/musicans/technologies all together, not just one single brain.

This is why an Rationalist like Kamal Haasan openly says that he will accept God Concept, if that God is Mr.IlayaRaja.

This is why A.R.Rahman said that if Ilayaraja got his due compensation for his Compositions, he would have got enuf money to buy the Whole TamilNadu Real Estate Land.

This is why, a small, stupid human like me believe that God is There! கடவுள் இருக்கார்!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Who is this?

Please tell (and please expect the next requirement - the list of films to prove that claim :mad:)

Recently read there is a MalayaLam MD who crossed 1000 films and his son Madhu had done music for a recent tamil film. Movie Yet to release i guess, but album released. Even that album was lauded by some, as a good one for a debut MD. I even posted this in Songs of Open Road Thread. May be 2/3 months before. Don't remember exactly. But my post shud lie in that thread

[app_engine]

Which Malayalam MD did 1000 movies? :roll:

ok, who had done at least 500 movies?

Does any of the names here ring you a bell :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Malayalam_music_directors

(I doubt if someone had done 1000 with gov newsreels included or 2 minute jewellery ads included :lol2:)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Found my post! Correction, the father of Debut MD Achu, who composed for Maalai pozhuthin mayakkathile

http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8964-Song-of-the-Open-Road-(Latest-song-heard-Part-9)&p=818074&viewfull=1#post818074


Read in JuVi

மாலைப் பொழுதின் மயக்கத்திலே படத்தின் இசையமைப்பாளர் அச்சு. மலயாளத்தில் 1000 படங்களுக்கு மேல் இசையமைத்த ராஜாமணியின் புதல்வர். படத்தில் அணைத்து பாடல்களையும் எழுதியிருப்பவர் நடிகை ரோகினி

Trolly forward the further queries to JuVi! Iyam escape! The issue is dated 22 Feb 2012

Even Wiki don't list his name! And this is the only credible link i found. http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/15/stories/2008091550810200.htm May be JuVi refers to his BGM works too?!?

[jaiganes]

http://www.angelstudios.co.uk/node/181 finally they updated their page to include NEPV recording..

[jaiganes]

Clinton Cerejo on Raaja
He puts pen to paper and music just flows out of him. He is one of the treasures of our nation. To be honest, I was unfamiliar with his work until recently. Last year, I had the pleasure of working closely with him. More than his music, I was greatly influenced by him as a person and the never ending knowledge he has on the subject of music. If you hear ‘Gum Sum’ from Paa in its raw form, you will realise that there's a different chord on every beat of the melody. It sounds simple but it's very complex under the simplicity.

ivar oru neetral party paa ivaru solradhula dhaan main matter(edho knowledgeaam ) keedhuppa. kalaignar paer kareettaa dhaan sootigiraarupaa.

[V_S]

Thank you KV and sakala. :D

[app_engine]

Found my post! Correction, the father of Debut MD Achu, who composed for Maalai pozhuthin mayakkathile

http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8964-Song-of-the-Open-Road-(Latest-song-heard-Part-9)&p=818074&viewfull=1#post818074



Trolly forward the further queries to JuVi! Iyam escape! The issue is dated 22 Feb 2012

Even Wiki don't list his name! And this is the only credible link i found. http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/15/stories/2008091550810200.htm May be JuVi refers to his BGM works too?!?

OK, I get it. Even the hindu article says he did BGM for 700 movies in 10 languages.

No problem. ivaru vERa type business. It's very much possible. During the last decade even Sabesh-Murali could have done BGM for 100's of movies and I won't be surprised if they report to have done "music" for 2000 films after 20 years :-)

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Oh OK! So its the err of JuVi to misquote the BGM and bit musics as whole films na?!

[app_engine]

alertA illainnA 'rAjA enna rAjAmaNi kooda 1000 padam isai amaichchirukkAr...idhenna periya sAdhanai'nnu ezhuthuvAnga :-)

Plum will come and say 'so what - why alert' :-)

While we cannot combat all propaganda in the world, namma irukka circle'la mattumAvadhu facts sollikkittE irukkaNum :-)

[raja_fan]

When the great K.V.Mahadevan passed away, every TV channel reported "He has done 1500 films".
No body cared how was it possible.

I think IR is the only MD ( or perhaps Deva too, who counted 250 films ) who keenly tracks the count.
It is very much possible that IR is the MD who has done the largest number of films in the world.

[San_K]

jaiganes - nalla soodana thread adhu - naan potta postukku, roshan enna respond pannaarunnu paarka ponaal, threadaiye kaanom !
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head to twitter to see her face. a_e sir thittu vaangi irukkar, appuram niraya peru :lol:
</dig>

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Why buildup? Appdi perusaa onniyum illai. THe tweets u mention are the usual half-baked uLarals! Makkals athai ellaam kandukkurathaa illai!

[app_engine]

San_K,
Once upon a time registered in tweeter...appuRam pOnadhE illai (don't even remember the handle / password now :oops:) :-)

BTW, rAsAvukku vakkAlaththu vAnguvadhAl varum vasavellAm onnum problamE illai...(hub or otherwise) :-)

[vel]

Vel,

Why this indirect bashing ? Speak to me directly please...

I am again and again stressing :
that kind of opinion about IR was from my IGNORANT friends who do not care to evaluate valuable music from the junk. It is not my opinion..And I did not say here that I just accepted the view of my friends and did not put effort in changing that.

My point in telling that here is that IR could have avoided strengthening of this opinion by opting out Yuvan from this album. Because whether we like or not, opinions of these kind of people matter in the market and image.

Idhukku poi "thoongaravan..nadikkaravan" nu enyaa tension aagareenga ?

Who are you to certify anybody's motives here ? Please attack my points instead of personal attacks.


annaathae, (or yakka, i dont know)....aala vudoo saami ....varusathukku oru thadava ippadi thideernnu aajar aayi bejaar panninnukeeriyae idhu niyaayama ?! endha ooru thala nee?

அண்ணாத்தே, (or யக்கா, i dont know )....ஆள விடு சாமி ....வருசத்துக்கு ஒரு தடவ இப்படி திடீர்ன்னு ஆஜர் ஆயி பேஜார் பண்ணின்னுகீரியே இது நியாயமா ?! ஆமா எந்த ஊரு தல நீ ?

[raja_fan]

annaathae, (or yakka, i dont know)....aala vudoo saami ....varusathukku oru thadava ippadi thideernnu aajar aayi bejaar panninnukeeriyae idhu niyaayama ?! endha ooru thala nee?

அண்ணாத்தே, (or யக்கா, i dont know )....ஆள விடு சாமி ....வருசத்துக்கு ஒரு தடவ இப்படி திடீர்ன்னு ஆஜர் ஆயி பேஜார் பண்ணின்னுகீரியே இது நியாயமா ?! ஆமா எந்த ஊரு தல நீ ?


Thambriii ( or Thangachchi paappaa, I don't know ), unnai pudichchu vachchu enakkenna elavu velai irukku ? free yaa irukkaratha vuttuttu ennai yen sorandare ?
varushaththukku oru dhabaa aajar aagarenaa ? meiyyaalumaa ? iththini naalum thoonginnu kedandhayaa ?

[Sureshs65]

Gautam Menon has tweeted that the audio of NEVP should be out by 1st week of July, maybe even 1st of July he says. So 3 more weeks to go.

[SVN]

With Yuvan having pretty much doused the fire of enthusiasm and expectations from NEPV in Round 1 teaser, here'shoping that people's expectations would be better managed in Round 2!
Hope Gowtham releases songs performed by professional singers and keep the non-singers out...

[KV]

July 1st week aa? :mad: It was supposed to be mid-June, wasn't it? summa thalli pOttukutE irukkaama, seekaram music release panni tholaingappa :hammer:

[raja_fan]

Gowtham "Releasing summer 2012" nu sonnaare.
Thamizhnaattula thaan 8 maasam summer aache. Athaan :)

[NormalMan]

Gauthamvasudevmenon ‏@menongautham
Music of NEP and YVPM will be out very soon. First week of July. Maybe even 1st of July. Really hoping that everybody likes the music.

Last sentence - "hoping that everybody ...." is sounding fishy. அவருக்கே பயம் வந்துருச்சோ? சொதப்பாம இருந்தா சரி. ஏற்கனவே யுவனை பாட வெச்சு சொதபியாச்சு

[vel]

Thambriii ( or Thangachchi paappaa, I don't know ), unnai pudichchu vachchu enakkenna elavu velai irukku ? free yaa irukkaratha vuttuttu ennai yen sorandare ?
varushaththukku oru dhabaa aajar aagarenaa ? meiyyaalumaa ? iththini naalum thoonginnu kedandhayaa ?

he hee....nee nadiganda thala......thrisha unakkuthaan da thala

[raja_fan]

Gauthamvasudevmenon ‏@menongautham
Music of NEP and YVPM will be out very soon. First week of July. Maybe even 1st of July. Really hoping that everybody likes the music.

Last sentence - "hoping that everybody ...." is sounding fishy. அவருக்கே பயம் வந்துருச்சோ? சொதப்பாம இருந்தா சரி. ஏற்கனவே யுவனை பாட வெச்சு சொதபியாச்சு

NormalMan,

+100
"Hoping that..." is very fishy. Did the popular feedback about "Saindhu saindhu" reach Gowtham's ears ? Possible !

[krish244]

Sony Music has acquired the rights of NEPV:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/regional/tamil/news-interviews/Sony-Music-acquires-Neethane-Enn-Ponvasantham/articleshow/14051528.cms

thanks,

Krishnan

[raja_fan]

That's great news !
They would not have bought the rights without hearing some samples..
So should be a treat ! :)

[raja_fan]

http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/regional/sony-bags-audio-rights-of-gautham-menon-film-for-fancy-price_113215.htm

2 crores !!

[Devaraagam]

sureshs65,

i read one news if its true you woud be very much happy. one of your fav song will be in NEP with grand music (Unnai Patri - Madhya chennai).

[Gregorysab]

sureshs65,

i read one news if its true you woud be very much happy. one of your fav song will be in NEP with grand music (Unnai Patri - Madhya chennai).

huh? what does this mean? Will this song be re-done for NEPV? This song is one of my favourites (one of the best in 2009). amazing chords! if this is being re-done, this could be the 1st instance where the time gap between original and rehash is the least (3 years).

[Devaraagam]

huh? what does this mean? Will this song be re-done for NEPV? This song is one of my favourites (one of the best in 2009). amazing chords! if this is being re-done, this could be the 1st instance where the time gap between original and rehash is the least (3 years).
Yes aakarsh, it's re done but I am not sure abt the news. Let's wait and see for some more news/ confirmation

[Sureshs65]

DR,

I have my doubts on this. 'Madhiya Chennai', as Kamal points out, is too recent a release for doing a remix :D

[SoftSword]

Gaut

Last sentence - "hoping that everybody ...." is sounding fishy. அவருக்கே பயம் வந்துருச்சோ? சொதப்பாம இருந்தா சரி. ஏற்கனவே யுவனை பாட வெச்சு சொதபியாச்சு

yaen adha andha maadhiri yosikkireenga...
my take is, there should be a lot of experimentation and they camp hopes that those exps rings a bell with the aadiuns...
neraya perukku puriyaama/purinjukkaama poga vaaippu irukku illayaa.. adhaan apdi solraar..

[SVN]

Hmm... July 1st week release??? Gowtham still has time to convince IR to get another version of the Yuvan song 'Saindhu Saindhu' (and other songs if any) rendered by a competent singer! Let him release both versions in the album... This way he can satisfy fans of Yuvan's voice (apparently a majority in TN today) as well as the rest of the 'minority' like us :)

[K]

http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2012/06/sony-music-acquires-neethane-enn-ponvasantham-155514.html

இளையராஜா இசை என்ற அறிவிப்பு வெளியானதிலிருந்தே, இந்தப் படத்துக்கு ஏக எதிர்ப்பார்ப்பு. படத்துக்காக வெளியான இசை முன்னோட்டம் அந்த எதிர்ப்பார்ப்பை இன்னும் அதிகப்படுத்தியது.

ரூ 2.5 கோடிவரை இந்தப் படத்தின் இசை உரிமைக்கு விலை தர சோனி நிறுவனம் முன்வந்ததாகக் கூறப்பட்டது. இது ரஹ்மான் இசையில் வந்த விண்ணைத் தாண்டி வருவாயாவை விட மிக அதிகம்.

இந்த நிலையில், சோனிக்கு நீதானே என் பொன்வசந்தம் இசை உரிமை விற்கப்பட்டதாக அதிகாரப்பூர்வமாக அறிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.

வரும் ஜூலை 1-ம் தேதி இசை வெளியீடு பிரமாண்டமாக நடக்கவிருப்பதாக கவுதம் மேனன் தெரிவித்துள்ளார்.

[Devaraagam]

Hmm... July 1st week release??? Gowtham still has time to convince IR to get another version of the Yuvan song 'Saindhu Saindhu' (and other songs if any) rendered by a competent singer! Let him release both versions in the album... This way he can satisfy fans of Yuvan's voice (apparently a majority in TN today) as well as the rest of the 'minority' like us :) Liked your post. Goutham will not do that because I heard that he himself suggested yuvan for this song. I felt when compare to other song, yuvan has pronounced the words properly in this song.

[jaiganes]

Hmm... July 1st week release??? Gowtham still has time to convince IR to get another version of the Yuvan song 'Saindhu Saindhu' (and other songs if any) rendered by a competent singer! Let him release both versions in the album... This way he can satisfy fans of Yuvan's voice (apparently a majority in TN today) as well as the rest of the 'minority' like us :)
ungaLukku puriyave puriyaadhaa?
oru dhadava sutta dhosaiya - thirumba kallula poda mudiyumaa?

[SVN]

oru dhadava sutta dhosaiya - thirumba kallula poda mudiyumaa?

ஒ! முடியுமே! கொஞ்சம் ஆறிப்போயிருந்த தோசைய, சூடான கல்லுல போட்டு எடுத்தா , இன்னும் appealing-ஆ இருக்கும் இல்லையா? எக்ஸ்ட்ரா ஒரு சொட்டு எண்ணெய் கூட போட வேண்டிய அவசியம் இல்லை! :)
There have been so many instances in which dual versions have been retained in the album, regardless of which version gets used in the film. என்ன, ஒரு நப்பாசை தான்!

[jaiganes]

oru dhadava sutta dhosaiya - thirumba kallula poda mudiyumaa?

ஒ! முடியுமே! கொஞ்சம் ஆறிப்போயிருந்த தோசைய, சூடான கல்லுல போட்டு எடுத்தா , இன்னும் appealing-ஆ இருக்கும் இல்லையா? எக்ஸ்ட்ரா ஒரு சொட்டு எண்ணெய் கூட போட வேண்டிய அவசியம் இல்லை! :)
There have been so many instances in which dual versions have been retained in the album, regardless of which version gets used in the film. என்ன, ஒரு நப்பாசை தான்!
aiyye kasakkum!!

[app_engine]

Did I read somewhere that Gautam will include the karoke versions of the tracks? (or is it my imagination :oops:)

When minnalE came out, there was this karoke version of vaseegarA that got used by a senior girl in my son's school anniversary. She was awesome (much better than the "auntee" sounding Bombay Jayashree)...

[raja_fan]

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/article3519699.ece

Shot Cuts: Music to Gautam's ears

Well, there's more news about Gautam Menon's Neethane Enn Ponvasantham. The audio rights of the film have been snapped up by Sony Music. The movie's music, expected to be released in the first week of July, is eagerly awaited as it has been scored by one of Kollywood's greatest musicians, Ilaiyaraja.

What's interesting is Sony has acquired the musical rights of the Jiiva-Samantha-starrer at a price higher than what it paid for the audio rights of Gautam's earlier blockbuster, Vinnai Thaandi Varuvaaya.

Says a source in the unit, “While the audio rights of VTV fetched Rs. 1.5 crore, the audio rights of NEP have fetched Rs. 2 crore.”

[raja_fan]

Thannudaiya "rival" arimugamaagi 20 varudam aagum nilaiyil ( Come Aug-15,2012, Roja will be 20 years old ) , rs. 2 kodikku ivarudaiya isai vilai pogirathenraal, idhu varai endha thamizh isaiamaippaalarum seiyyaatha saadhanai !

[jaiganes]

Thannudaiya "rival" arimugamaagi 20 varudam aagum nilaiyil ( Come Aug-15,2012, Roja will be 20 years old ) , rs. 2 kodikku ivarudaiya isai vilai pogirathenraal, idhu varai endha thamizh isaiamaippaalarum seiyyaatha saadhanai !
appdillaam shoulderai yaethikka mudiyaadhu..
just that Raaja got lucky to have worked with GVM now..
Also the music shows that have happened in the recent time have installed the "nostalgic raaja" firmly into the minds of uth..
indha cassette rights more than VTVllaam - inflation and marana hype done by GVM - otherwise every1 knows Raaja's market is niche ..

[raja_fan]

Jaiganes,

இதுல ராஜாவோட லக் என்ன இருக்கு ?
கெளதம் மாதிரி இயக்குனர் ராஜாவுக்கு இப்போ கெடைச்சது லக் என்றால், மணிரத்தினம், ரஜினி போன்றவர்கள் ராஜாவை பிரிந்தது ?
எதாவது நடந்து கொண்டு தான் இருக்கும். அதற்க்கு தயாராக ஒருவர் தன்னை survive and wait மோடில் வைத்திருக்கிறார் பாருங்கள். அது தான் ராஜாவின் சிறப்பு.
அந்த தம் கட்டி நிற்ப்பது தான் ராஜா.

Comparison is bad, But just imagine..
Suppose for imagination sake, director Shankar was a big fan of Melisai mannar MSV. Would he have convinced producers/financiers or audio companies with the idea that he would work with that legend around the time period of 1996 ?
Simply no chance, because MSV did not have that "Staying power" as IR .