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krish244
4th September 2010, 04:16 PM
[tscii:d793389c49]It seems IR had, in 2006, proposed to present carnatic raga with Western philharmonic orchestra for the inaugural function of Frankfurt book fair. The proposal was rejected.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266982

"Even as Oscar hero Rahman was concatenating, at super-speed, his CWG jingle that jangles with some of the most pedestrian verses in recent times, he also fed in the punchy figure of some Rs 1.37 crore per minute of the song. Total: Rs 5.50 crore. In 2006, for the inaugural functions of the Frankfurt Book Fair, at which India was the ‘Guest of Honour Country’, a proposal by music composer Ilaiyaraja to present a Carnatic raga using a 120-piece Western philharmonic orchestra was summarily rejected because of the price tag of Rs 95 lakh. But times have changed."

thanks,

Krishnan[/tscii:d793389c49]

Sanjeevi
4th September 2010, 06:15 PM
The proposal sounds amazing but hmmmm

NormalMan
4th September 2010, 10:43 PM
Why sir missing?

நகம் சதை என்று சொன்னார்களே ரஜினி - ராசாவை ..... ஹ்ம்ம்

http://www.images.behindwoods.com/photo-galleries-q1-09/tamil-photo-gallery/soundarya-rajinikanth-ashwin-wedding/index.html

buggle
6th September 2010, 09:43 PM
Why sir missing?

நகம் சதை என்று சொன்னார்களே ரஜினி - ராசாவை ..... ஹ்ம்ம்

http://www.images.behindwoods.com/photo-galleries-q1-09/tamil-photo-gallery/soundarya-rajinikanth-ashwin-wedding/index.html

yeah i was surprised as well - IR not in RK daughter wedding

AravindMano
6th September 2010, 10:15 PM
Shreya Ghoshal conducted a quiz for her fans and gave away Ipods as gifts. One of the questions was



Who is the one music director Shreya is willing to work "for free"?

We all know the answer, don't we? :D She has already mentioned it in her interview, but the question was better framed there.

Isn't this girl sweet? :)

kameshratnam
8th September 2010, 10:55 PM
Listen to this piece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6IeFLgHj3Q
And its nominated for oscars

Oscar Nominated Music similar To IR song
Listen to this song "pongatre" frm friends 2001 movie (i think it released in pongal or april 14 or may be diwali...so they would have started composing it frm 2000 mid or end at least)


http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=3953&mode=100&rand=0.9200689187604837


And listen to this theme music it was frm the film Road to Perdition composed by thomas newman and it was nominated for oscars too and the movie released in 2002

Both are similar right? Wow wow wow Not yesterday Not Tomorrow its always Raja..!!!

I listen to this music and breaking my brain frm morning..thinking yengayoo tamil la idha ketrukeyn..at last uma shankar helped me to find this song

Thx to him..

Hail raja..!! thanks tn23 galaxy

Thanks TCC in Orkut

jaiganes
8th September 2010, 11:24 PM
Freaking charukesi raaga smell here.
If you watch the movie Road To Perdition, in a crucial scene (When Michael Sullivan finds out that his wife and kid have been killed) the BGM used there is so reminiscent of what Raaja did in Poovizhi vaasalile. It could be because Raaja himself has been following Thomas Newman's dad's(Alfred Newman - the composer for Sound of Music) work from a long time. The orchestral style is so reminicscent of Alfred Newman - the right piece of comparison would be what Raaja did for Lajja and this piece - the tune similarity is due to the raaga usage - but if u compared the Lajja title theme and This piece you can find the influences are common - coming from Alfred Newman the master of Film BGM composition who has influenced among others modern greats like James horner and Alexandre desplat.

MelHarmony
9th September 2010, 06:44 AM
Good spotting!
I agree it is quite similar to Lajja title score......particularly the testure where the piano and followed by violin....and then piano again....
the tune also resembles a sombre mood! who can beat IR in that domain!

I particularly see one difference in IR music with respect to these kinds of hollywood music. IR's music is completely written music which will invariably have a strict grammar to be followed.....less room for improvisation and gimmicks....inspite of that souding exotic melts in melody! thats where the word "creation" takes real meaning.....IR is "creator in the truest sense"

I doubt if this Newman score is completely by him because of the piano interlude...i could be proved wrong!
Any thoughts!!!!
Thanks for posting!


Listen to this piece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6IeFLgHj3Q
And its nominated for oscars

Oscar Nominated Music similar To IR song
Listen to this song "pongatre" frm friends 2001 movie (i think it released in pongal or april 14 or may be diwali...so they would have started composing it frm 2000 mid or end at least)


http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=3953&mode=100&rand=0.9200689187604837


And listen to this theme music it was frm the film Road to Perdition composed by thomas newman and it was nominated for oscars too and the movie released in 2002

Both are similar right? Wow wow wow Not yesterday Not Tomorrow its always Raja..!!!

I listen to this music and breaking my brain frm morning..thinking yengayoo tamil la idha ketrukeyn..at last uma shankar helped me to find this song

Thx to him..

Hail raja..!! thanks tn23 galaxy

Thanks TCC in Orkut

buggle
9th September 2010, 08:16 AM
Why sir missing?

நகம் சதை என்று சொன்னார்களே ரஜினி - ராசாவை ..... ஹ்ம்ம்

http://www.images.behindwoods.com/photo-galleries-q1-09/tamil-photo-gallery/soundarya-rajinikanth-ashwin-wedding/index.html

yeah i was surprised as well - IR not in RK daughter wedding

we have the answer why IR didn't go for RK daughter wedding...

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/080910c.asp

app_engine
9th September 2010, 09:02 AM
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/080910c.asp

இது என்ன கேனத்தனமான காரணமா இருக்கு!

என்னுடைய மிக நெருங்கிய நண்பர்கள் பலரது திருமணத்து அழைப்பு கொடுத்ததே கிடையாது. 'நம்ம ஒன்னா நின்னு தான கல்யாணத்த நடத்தனும்' அப்படீன்னு ஒரு உரிமை.

சின்னப்புள்ளைத்தனமா இருக்கே? அல்லது வழக்கம் போல மீடியாவின் "கிடைத்த அவல்" விளையாட்டோ?

jaiganes
9th September 2010, 09:33 AM
Why sir missing?

நகம் சதை என்று சொன்னார்களே ரஜினி - ராசாவை ..... ஹ்ம்ம்

http://www.images.behindwoods.com/photo-galleries-q1-09/tamil-photo-gallery/soundarya-rajinikanth-ashwin-wedding/index.html

yeah i was surprised as well - IR not in RK daughter wedding

we have the answer why IR didn't go for RK daughter wedding...

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/080910c.asp

ayyoyyo newton gravitya kandu pidichittaar.

rajasaranam
9th September 2010, 10:23 AM
What a Coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was listening to Road to Perdition score yesterday and thought about Lajja score, and here you guys are discussing about the same!!! Divine Intervention :wink:

Sureshs65
9th September 2010, 11:21 AM
rajasaranam,

Looks like Raja is turning you from being a atheist to a believer !! :) Ofcourse you can retort by saying Raja is always GOD to you and many will not object :)

rajasaranam
9th September 2010, 11:34 AM
rajasaranam,

Looks like Raja is turning you from being a atheist to a believer !! :) Ofcourse you can retort by saying Raja is always GOD to you and many will not object :)
:lol:

:exactly:

Sanjeevi
9th September 2010, 12:52 PM
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/080910c.asp

இது என்ன கேனத்தனமான காரணமா இருக்கு!

என்னுடைய மிக நெருங்கிய நண்பர்கள் பலரது திருமணத்து அழைப்பு கொடுத்ததே கிடையாது. 'நம்ம ஒன்னா நின்னு தான கல்யாணத்த நடத்தனும்' அப்படீன்னு ஒரு உரிமை.

சின்னப்புள்ளைத்தனமா இருக்கே? அல்லது வழக்கம் போல மீடியாவின் "கிடைத்த அவல்" விளையாட்டோ?

tamilcinema news unmain enral, naan ilaiyaraja soundarya marriage-ku pogathathai aatharikkiren.

Plum
9th September 2010, 07:09 PM
app, IR Rajnikku nerungiya naNbarA? If you say BR-IR, then, yes, it can compare to the friendship with your friends you have alluded to. But Rajni was a professional acquaintance for IR and from there, it might have developed as friendship but not to the BR-IR extent or even Kamal-IR extent, which obviously went beyond professional acquaintance into personal admiration and respect and actual backslapping friendship.

Even if you see IR's public interactions, you can see him taking more urimai on Kamal than with Rajni.

So, long and short, you cannot compare to your friendship with your friends. That sounds to me more like BR-IR.

app_engine
9th September 2010, 07:48 PM
So, long and short, you cannot compare to your friendship with your friends. That sounds to me more like BR-IR.

Yes, totally agree.

There're acquaintances whose functions we'll attend only if invited (though personally I won't fuss on paper / phone / personal / postal / e-mail etc - and they won't fuss either whether I attend or not :-) in such cases).

Looks like this is such a case (no nagam-sathai business) and so no fuss needed :-)

Plum
9th September 2010, 08:45 PM
Exactly. For all the differences he had with BR, he bonded with BR's family during Manoj's wedding, and if I remember right, was right at the forefront "nadathi kuduthu"fying the Wedding.

jaiganes
9th September 2010, 08:58 PM
Exactly. For all the differences he had with BR, he bonded with BR's family during Manoj's wedding, and if I remember right, was right at the forefront "nadathi kuduthu"fying the Wedding.
nalla sonneenga - inga irukkara sila tube lights paththi eriyira vagayila.

buggle
9th September 2010, 10:31 PM
Why sir missing?

நகம் சதை என்று சொன்னார்களே ரஜினி - ராசாவை ..... ஹ்ம்ம்

http://www.images.behindwoods.com/photo-galleries-q1-09/tamil-photo-gallery/soundarya-rajinikanth-ashwin-wedding/index.html

yeah i was surprised as well - IR not in RK daughter wedding

we have the answer why IR didn't go for RK daughter wedding...

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/080910c.asp

ayyoyyo newton gravitya kandu pidichittaar.

hope u get the point here, i am just posting the message from tamilcinema, i am not the creator of the message

jaiganes
9th September 2010, 11:29 PM
Why sir missing?

நகம் சதை என்று சொன்னார்களே ரஜினி - ராசாவை ..... ஹ்ம்ம்

http://www.images.behindwoods.com/photo-galleries-q1-09/tamil-photo-gallery/soundarya-rajinikanth-ashwin-wedding/index.html

yeah i was surprised as well - IR not in RK daughter wedding

we have the answer why IR didn't go for RK daughter wedding...

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/080910c.asp

ayyoyyo newton gravitya kandu pidichittaar.

hope u get the point here, i am just posting the message from tamilcinema, i am not the creator of the message
I get your point and also your agenda. thank u

ramk1
10th September 2010, 03:36 AM
Probably RK forgot that IR was one another instrumental person to shape his career. And combined with that, IR is no longer a unshakeable force in the industry (atleast not like a few years before). These factors may have played into the decison to send the invite by post. Well, if IR has delayed the song compositions by months together, probably they will remember him now for that. :-).

kameshratnam
10th September 2010, 08:36 AM
IR was the person who also nadtified br's daughters marriage.

One more info: BR didnt go to manivannan's sons wedding since Rajinikanth was the chief guest of the function..
BR is a Bold guy

prashanth12
10th September 2010, 08:40 AM
Okay, enough gossip for now, I think.

Nerd
10th September 2010, 09:07 AM
And combined with that, IR is no longer a unshakeable force in the industry (atleast not like a few years before).
Now this is funny. So SPM (just picking one out of 100s who attended) is an unshakable top director now?

Honestly, I don't know whats happening between them for the past 10 years and I don't think anybody who is posting here knows. And I choose not to worry about this.

jaiganes
10th September 2010, 09:26 AM
And combined with that, IR is no longer a unshakeable force in the industry (atleast not like a few years before).
Now this is funny. So SPM (just picking one out of 100s who attended) is an unshakable top director now?

Honestly, I don't know whats happening between them for the past 10 years and I don't think anybody who is posting here knows. And I choose not to worry about this.
I would have to agree.
rendu paer veettu balligaLai vaLachu round up panni vijaranai nadathinaa sila pala unmaigal veLiyaagum.

Sanjeevi
10th September 2010, 04:19 PM
Isai vimarusagar Shaji

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_10.html

app_engine
10th September 2010, 07:20 PM
Isai vimarusagar Shaji

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_10.html

I haven't thought much about what MR's feelings are towards IR, after they "split".

Now it's clear that he has so much of hatred for him. Currently he has stooped down to the level of promoting "isai vimarsagar" :-(

It's a funny, funny world. And to think about what kind of songs IR blessed his movies with - pallavi anupallavi to dhaLapathi - can only make one wonder whether such dairatakkar deserved all that :-(

One can understand why Bala promotes such character (being a "different thinker"). However, I didn't think that way about MR until this point - though he was the one who brought in the "force" to remove IR from top spot - but now it's clear that he harbored so much resentment with IR.

K
10th September 2010, 07:48 PM
app, IR Rajnikku nerungiya naNbarA? If you say BR-IR, then, yes, it can compare to the friendship with your friends you have alluded to. But Rajni was a professional acquaintance for IR and from there, it might have developed as friendship but not to the BR-IR extent or even Kamal-IR extent, which obviously went beyond professional acquaintance into personal admiration and respect and actual backslapping friendship.

Even if you see IR's public interactions, you can see him taking more urimai on Kamal than with Rajni.

So, long and short, you cannot compare to your friendship with your friends. That sounds to me more like BR-IR.

I agree with this

Only Barathi raja and Kamal Has written Some Munnurai kind of things in Raja's "Paal Nila Paathai"(biography?). Not Rajini.

ramk1
10th September 2010, 07:50 PM
Nobody is a permanent friend in today's world. As long as you are powerful and a force to reckon with, they come running back to you, if not, they move on. IR & MR both knows that. Yes think about those songs, for those insipid dry movies, which had only 2 or 3 people talking in the whole movie, the soul of those movies were IR's music. Think of mouna ragam with anybody else's music say like chandrabose/SAR/Deva or Idhayam oru kovil movie with somebody else's music. Anyway no use talking about it now. If only IR starts to think about all those and comes out with his musical gems, again, will all these stop.

app_engine
10th September 2010, 08:04 PM
If only IR starts to think about all those and comes out with his musical gems, again, will all these stop.

Look, let's not dream big things for IR for the future. He is close to 70 and practically le(f)t the field to his son(s) and is possibly content with what he achieved in life (huge, obviously) and taking things easy - enjoying what he does / making some money in the process and possibly not after a ladder.

That obviously means no glitter - no pArAttu vizhAs, no rubbing shoulders with the who's who etc - totally understandable. I'm sure it's no big deal to him as he only knows very well what happened to prior gen super technicians. Neither does it irritate most of his admirers, not me, as there're 1000's of musical gems that will continue to shine for his legacy.

What's definitely NOT OK for anyone who admires his music is deliberate efforts to thAr adichchify him. (I don't think IR even bothers about such but it irritates me, especially when people like JM / MR etc promote such a fellow as some kind of meesic-critik).

jaiganes
10th September 2010, 08:24 PM
Isai vimarusagar Shaji

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_10.html

I haven't thought much about what MR's feelings are towards IR, after they "split".

Now it's clear that he has so much of hatred for him. Currently he has stooped down to the level of promoting "isai vimarsagar" :-(

It's a funny, funny world. And to think about what kind of songs IR blessed his movies with - pallavi anupallavi to dhaLapathi - can only make one wonder whether such dairatakkar deserved all that :-(

One can understand why Bala promotes such character (being a "different thinker"). However, I didn't think that way about MR until this point - though he was the one who brought in the "force" to remove IR from top spot - but now it's clear that he harbored so much resentment with IR.

I have collected the links of shaji's pethals and Sethupathi's beautiful rebuttals and mailed it to director bala . Let us see what he speaks in that book release function. I have a feeling that Truth will Triumph.

rajasaranam
10th September 2010, 08:29 PM
Isai vimarusagar Shaji

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_10.html

I haven't thought much about what MR's feelings are towards IR, after they "split".

Now it's clear that he has so much of hatred for him. Currently he has stooped down to the level of promoting "isai vimarsagar" :-(

It's a funny, funny world. And to think about what kind of songs IR blessed his movies with - pallavi anupallavi to dhaLapathi - can only make one wonder whether such dairatakkar deserved all that :-(

One can understand why Bala promotes such character (being a "different thinker"). However, I didn't think that way about MR until this point - though he was the one who brought in the "force" to remove IR from top spot - but now it's clear that he harbored so much resentment with IR.

we can not conclude MR's feelings towards Raaja from this one incident. I think He shares a warm feeling towards Raaja and Raaja too reciprocates that.

Few years back in a meeting MR concluded that Raaja is a Genius and Rahman is a Wizard, What else do we need to understand the place for Raaja in MR's heart?

Raaja said in an interview that, the only two directors who brought alive his music through visuals were Balu Mahendra and Maniratnam. What else do we need to understand the place for MR in Raaja's heart?

I too went to the 'Keni' meeting of Shaji and would go for this 'Uyirmai' meeting. Will you interpret that I harbor a Hatred towards Raaja :lol:

app_engine
10th September 2010, 08:41 PM
I have collected the links of shaji's pethals and Sethupathi's beautiful rebuttals and mailed it to director bala .

Good job! :clap:

app_engine
10th September 2010, 08:44 PM
I too went to the 'Keni' meeting of Shaji and would go for this 'Uyirmai' meeting. Will you interpret that I harbor a Hatred towards Raaja :lol:

:lol: இல்லை-இல்லை.

ஆனால் நீங்க சாரு/ஷாஜியைப்புகழவோ இகழவோ செய்றதுக்கும் ஜெயமோகன் / மணிரத்னம் செய்றதுக்கும் உள்நோக்கம் மற்றும் பின்விளைவுகள் வேறல்லவா?

venkkiram
10th September 2010, 08:56 PM
I too went to the 'Keni' meeting of Shaji ராஜாவின் மீதான அவதூறுகளைப் பற்றி ஷாஜியிடம் கேட்டீர்களா?

rajasaranam
10th September 2010, 09:14 PM
I too went to the 'Keni' meeting of Shaji ராஜாவின் மீதான அவதூறுகளைப் பற்றி ஷாஜியிடம் கேட்டீர்களா?

அதை பற்றி பதில் அளிக்கும் அளவுக்கு அவருக்கு நேர்மையும், திறமும் இல்லை என தெரிந்த* கொண்டேன்.
பேச்சின் போது ச*ரியாக*வோ சுருதி த*ப்பியோ பாடுவ*து ஒரு பெரும் பிழை அல்ல*, ஆன்மாவோடும் பாவ*த்தோடும் பாடுவ*தே சிற*ப்பு என* கூறி விட்டு அரை ம*னிக்குள் 'முகேஷ்' ஒரு சிற*ந்த* பாட*க*ர் இல்லை அவ*ர் பாட*ல்க*ளில் ப*ல* இட*ங*க*ளில் சுருதி த*ப்பும் என* சொன்ன*வுட*ன், இடைம*றித்து 'கொஞ்ச* நேர*ம் முன்னாடி அது அவ*சிய*ம் இல்லைன்னு சொன்னீங்களே' என*
கேட்டேன். சற்று தடுமாறி, சாருவை போல் ஒரு அபத்த விளக்கம் சொன்னார்.
நிகழ்ச்சிக்கு பின் நீன்ட நேரம் உரையாடினோம் அவரது 'மலேசிய வாசுதேவன்' கட்டுரை பற்றி, ஆனால் ராஜாவை பற்றி பேசவில்லை. அபத்த விளக்கங்களே வரும் என தெரிந்த பின் கேட்டு என்ன பயன்.

app_engine
10th September 2010, 09:32 PM
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/capital-closeup/2010/09/08/rehmans-cwg-score-lacks-spunk/

Sureshji,

Looks like the "srini" fighting for IR's name in this blog is the same person who was struggling against 100's of ARR fans in some kollywood site VTV review.

Some guy!

app_engine
10th September 2010, 09:38 PM
rs,
Like you mentioned in another thread, Shaji seems to be pretty good ("nice person") in interpersonal relationships - much like most talented sales people. Why, looks like he could even convince people like JM / MR that he has "meesic nAwlej", using some personality charm.

It's when writing that he spits venom. With a purpose to shock and sell himself among perverts!

jaiganes
10th September 2010, 10:16 PM
I too went to the 'Keni' meeting of Shaji ராஜாவின் மீதான அவதூறுகளைப் பற்றி ஷாஜியிடம் கேட்டீர்களா?
apppo neengal avai anaiththum avadhoorugal endru solgireergaLA?

jaiganes
10th September 2010, 10:18 PM
rs,
Like you mentioned in another thread, Shaji seems to be pretty good ("nice person") in interpersonal relationships - much like most talented sales people. Why, looks like he could even convince people like JM / MR that he has "meesic nAwlej", using some personality charm.

It's when writing that he spits venom. With a purpose to shock and sell himself among perverts!
I have to admit that JeMo is going purely by his love for fellow malayaali in supporting this guy. Whoever said that "Blood is thicker than water" was not entirely wrong.

Sanjeevi
10th September 2010, 10:45 PM
If it is a book release function, no problem for me. But it is a discussion about music :sigh2: and I assume Maniratnam & Bala dont know much about this person. I have no complain about JM since he is friend of Shaji I hope he will support IR if any wrong discussion will happen towards IR. Another surprise for me is 'koodal' of Manushyaputhran and Jeyamohan. :banghead:

app_engine
10th September 2010, 11:22 PM
I assume Maniratnam & Bala dont know much about this person.

Whether or not, ellAm "saint-gobain" seyyum mAyam, I think. The other mAyam, as you mentioned, is JM-MP koottaNi.

In any case, I don't think anyone here is worried as to what'll happen actually in the meet - these fellows are political enough to even declare / publish a resolution that "IR is a maestro without parallel", when cameras and media are focussing them.

It's just an irritation that JM who has decent 'nErmai' claims and MR whose initial days were well supported by IR are joining efforts to promote a phony with an agenda against IR :-(

app_engine
10th September 2010, 11:43 PM
I have no complain about JM since he is friend of Shaji I hope he will support IR if any wrong discussion will happen towards IR.

JM has strong negative opinion on the poetic quality of IR songs / era.

So, the likes of Shaji - who only thrives on using such negative info to bash IR - will possibly use such negativity cleverly. Then JM will be like 'அண்டி களஞ்ஞ அண்ணான்' (I'm quoting his words here)...Perhaps MR can throw in some of his reservations as to how IR refused to work with "kavippErarasu" and how his movies could have become universal classics instead of just lowly TN hits etc.

எல்லாம் முடிஞ்சு 'என்ன இருந்தாலும் ராசா ஒரு சகாப்தம்'னு சொன்னா முடிஞ்சது. வெகுஜன மீடியா அதை எழுதும். உயிர்மை மாதிரி இடங்களிலும் ப்ளாகுகளிலும் ராசாவைத்துவைப்பார்கள். சுபம் :-)

app_engine
10th September 2010, 11:50 PM
ஆஹா, நம்மளே இவய்ங்களுக்கு ஐடியா குடுத்துட்டமோ? :think:
(read in vadivelu style)

Sanjeevi
11th September 2010, 12:28 AM
app :lol:

As a fanatic of Raaja, even I can't not argue against the lyric missile against raaja after some level. Safely I can say "oru maaperum isai alai lyric samrajyathai mozhkadithathu". Thats all. If anything really arguable against raaja 'with sense', it is tolerable. But saying IR is not good in music is such a maha irritating thing.

I too feel very sad for IR to not getting proper recognition in his lifetime. ARR is lucky in that sense.

jaiganes
11th September 2010, 02:08 AM
app :lol:

As a fanatic of Raaja, even I can't not argue against the lyric missile against raaja after some level. Safely I can say "oru maaperum isai alai lyric samrajyathai mozhkadithathu". Thats all. If anything really arguable against raaja 'with sense', it is tolerable. But saying IR is not good in music is such a maha irritating thing.

I too feel very sad for IR to not getting proper recognition in his lifetime. ARR is lucky in that sense.

I will only say that during that phase there was not that many prolific lyric writers - mostly pretenders who had done decades of MGR glorification in the name of tamil poetry. After Kanna dasan the gap was so huge that even VM writing in almost every Raaja movie could bridge that vaccuum. Failing imagination of commercial film directors automatically meant that Raaja had to patch up the lack of situational and lyrical quality with his humungus music. Because even in the times when VM had split and when Raja was doing good movies, those songs were pretty good - lyrically.
(eg., Onnai nenachen paattu padichen in Apoorva Sag). For bad movies only so much could be written in the name of song. and there is no two thoughts that being the most prolific music director had the mega share of doing bad movies.

venkkiram
11th September 2010, 10:25 AM
Another surprise for me is 'koodal' of Manushyaputhran and Jeyamohan. :banghead:link please to read about this koodal. If this is true, that is really a welcome move! resolving difference of opinions will help and benefit both the sides.

Sanjeevi
11th September 2010, 02:36 PM
Another surprise for me is 'koodal' of Manushyaputhran and Jeyamohan. :banghead:link please to read about this koodal. If this is true, that is really a welcome move! resolving difference of opinions will help and benefit both the sides.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R8GcmkGe6zo/TIngAEb6AUI/AAAAAAAABvY/TkxgK-p91Ak/s1600/Isaiyin_Thanimai.jpg

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
11th September 2010, 08:40 PM
ரஜினி கூப்பிடலை, பாயாசம் ஊத்தலை, இசை வசை விமர்சகர் ஷாஜி நடத்தும் "வெட்டியின் வெறுமை" போன்ற உலகத்தரம் வாய்ந்த செய்திகளை நாம் விவாதிப்பது ரொம்ப அவசியமா?!?

ரஜினி வீட்டு கல்யாணத்திற்கு அவர் பாதி சென்னையையே அழைத்திருந்தாலும், அது அவரின் குடும்ப விழா, தனிப்பட்ட விஷயம்.

Plum
11th September 2010, 09:58 PM
Ennikkaavadhu oru nAL shaji and co Rahman mEla avadhooru veesuvaar. I know what venkkiram will say then :lol:

Bharathiyaar ezhudhiya nadippu sudesigaL gnaabagam varudhu.


"....uramumindri....vanjanai..."

Sanjeevi
11th September 2010, 10:57 PM
ரஜினி கூப்பிடலை, பாயாசம் ஊத்தலை, இசை வசை விமர்சகர் ஷாஜி நடத்தும் "வெட்டியின் வெறுமை" போன்ற உலகத்தரம் வாய்ந்த செய்திகளை நாம் விவாதிப்பது ரொம்ப அவசியமா?!?

ரஜினி வீட்டு கல்யாணத்திற்கு அவர் பாதி சென்னையையே அழைத்திருந்தாலும், அது அவரின் குடும்ப விழா, தனிப்பட்ட விஷயம்.

ithuvum sarithan

plum :lol:

natha1729
12th September 2010, 02:54 AM
i just saw a kellog's cereal commercial in the US - it had the Devan Thiruchabai tune sung by children. Anyone saw this ad? is this an ad done by Indian Ad agency for US networks? or, is Devan Thiruchabai song a copy by IR of a western song? (I know there was an ad sometime back by an Indian Ad company for a US water bottle product.)

kameshratnam
12th September 2010, 02:10 PM
Singer swarnalatha passed away today. She has sung so many gems under ir's music....RIP

Remembering: En Ulle En Ulle from valli

Malayil yaaro - chatriyan

Oradangum - Pudupatti ponnu thayee

Unnai ethir pathu - Vanaja Girija

Sanjeevi
12th September 2010, 02:46 PM
RIP :sad:
another shocking one

kameshratnam
12th September 2010, 06:02 PM
What happened to malayasia vasudevan?

இளையராஜா...?

"நட்பின் அடிப்படையில் ஏற்கெனவே அவர் எனக்கு நிறைய செய்துவிட்டார். என் பேரை வெளியே கொண்டுவந்தவர் ராஜாதான். அவர் என்னை நலம் விசாரிக்கவில்லை என்ற வருத்தமெல்லாம் எனக்கு இல்லை. அவரை, அவரின் அன்பை எனக்கு நல்லாத் தெரியும். அவரும் நானும் சந்தித்துக்கொள்ளும் வாய்ப்பு அமையவில்லை. அவ்வளவுதான்."

பாடகர் மலேசியா வாசுதேவன் நேர்காணல்.

குமுதம், 15.09.2010

HE HAS QUOTED THE STRAIGHT OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE HAS TOLD IN KUMUDAM IN ANANDA VIKATAN

app_engine
12th September 2010, 08:51 PM
HE HAS QUOTED THE STRAIGHT OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE HAS TOLD IN KUMUDAM IN ANANDA VIKATAN

விகடனில் என்ன சொன்னாருங்க?

Sanjeevi
12th September 2010, 09:04 PM
Raaja vanthu parkavillai enra kurai therinthathu avar AV pEttiyil

kameshratnam
12th September 2010, 09:26 PM
Malayasia Vasu has praised SPB and Gangai Amaran that they come to see him and IR has not even asked about his health. The way it has been written looks as if IR is not bothered to see him, which is not true according to me

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
12th September 2010, 10:46 PM
இப்போ தான் ரஜினி வீட்டு கல்யாணம், இம்சை ஷாஜி, போன்ற வெட்டி விஷயங்கள் வந்தன, இப்போ மலேசியா வாசுதேவன்...

ராஜா பற்றிய தனிப்பட்ட செய்திகள், அவர் ஏற்கும் படங்கள், அவர் பங்கேற்கும் விழாக்கள் பத்தி பேசத்தான் இந்த திரி. இல்லேன்னா, ராஜாவை சுற்றி அடிக்கும் தெண்டச்செய்திகள் ன்னு தலைப்பை மாதிடலாமே

jaiganes
13th September 2010, 07:23 AM
இப்போ தான் ரஜினி வீட்டு கல்யாணம், இம்சை ஷாஜி, போன்ற வெட்டி விஷயங்கள் வந்தன, இப்போ மலேசியா வாசுதேவன்...

ராஜா பற்றிய தனிப்பட்ட செய்திகள், அவர் ஏற்கும் படங்கள், அவர் பங்கேற்கும் விழாக்கள் பத்தி பேசத்தான் இந்த திரி. இல்லேன்னா, ராஜாவை சுற்றி அடிக்கும் தெண்டச்செய்திகள் ன்னு தலைப்பை மாதிடலாமே

naan idhai vazhi mozhigiren.
thavira vikatan reporters and their love and respect for Raaja is oorarinja unmai.

MelHarmony
13th September 2010, 08:22 AM
http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report_i-m-all-for-women-power-bhavna-talwar_1436659

Happi releasing on 24th December!!!

why chooo late? Earlier it was slated for sep!

app_engine
13th September 2010, 07:43 PM
இப்போ தான் ரஜினி வீட்டு கல்யாணம், இம்சை ஷாஜி, போன்ற வெட்டி விஷயங்கள் வந்தன, இப்போ மலேசியா வாசுதேவன்...

ராஜா பற்றிய தனிப்பட்ட செய்திகள், அவர் ஏற்கும் படங்கள், அவர் பங்கேற்கும் விழாக்கள் பத்தி பேசத்தான் இந்த திரி. இல்லேன்னா, ராஜாவை சுற்றி அடிக்கும் தெண்டச்செய்திகள் ன்னு தலைப்பை மாதிடலாமே

naan idhai vazhi mozhigiren.
thavira vikatan reporters and their love and respect for Raaja is oorarinja unmai.

The first post of this thread from rajasaranam says this :


யப்பா உங்க அக்கபோர இங்க வந்து அடிங்க


:-)

பெறவு வேற என்னத்த செய்ய?

app_engine
13th September 2010, 07:45 PM
அவர் பங்கேற்கும் விழாக்கள்

:lol:

அவர் கைவசம் நிறைய ப்ராஜக்ட்ஸ் இல்லை தான், அதுக்காக இப்படியெல்லாம் ஓட்டணுமா?

app_engine
14th September 2010, 09:04 PM
சில சமயங்களில் ராசா தப்பித்து விடுகிறார் (http://dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Sunday%20Kondattam&artid=302254&SectionID=144&MainSectionID=144&SEO=&Title=)



இசையும், பாட்டு என இரண்டுக்கும் முக்கியத்துவம் வேண்டுமே?


கரெக்ட். நீங்க நினைக்கிறத நான் கதையை எழுதும் போதே முடிவு பண்ணிட்டேன். எப்படியிருந்தாலும் இளையராஜா சார்தான் நினைவில் இருந்தார். ஆனால் பட்ஜெட்டுக்கு அவர் பக்கமே போக முடியாது. அதற்குப் பதிலா ஜீவாராஜான்னு ஒரு புது ஆளை பிடிச்சு வந்து கதையை புரியவைச்சேன். அப்படியே இளையராஜா சாயலில் மியூசிக் வந்திருக்குன்னு நிறையப் பேர் சொல்லுறாங்க. வறண்ட நிலத்தின் ஒரு விவசாய வெளியில் வாழ்க்கையை வாழ்ந்து கழித்தவள் ஒச்சாயி. அவள் மீது நிச்சயம் புரட்சி சாயம் பூசவில்லை. அவள் அவளாகவே வாழ்ந்திருக்கா. அவளின் இயல்பான வாழ்க்கையைப் படத்தில் பார்க்கலாம்.

app_engine
14th September 2010, 09:07 PM
காஃபித்தூளில் ஓவியம் வரைகிறவர் (http://www.dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Sunday%20Kondattam&artid=302252&SectionID=144&MainSectionID=144&SEO=&Title=)

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எனது லட்சியமெல்லாம் தொடர்ந்து நிறைய புதுமையான ஓவியங்களை வரைந்து பெரிய அளவில் ஓவியக் கண்காட்சியை நடத்த வேண்டும் என்பதுதான். மேலும், காஃபி தூளில் இசை அமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜாவை நான் ஓவியமாக வரைந்ததை அவரிடம் அன்பளிப்பாக அளிக்க வேண்டும் என்பதும் எனது விருப்பம். அரசு மற்றும் மாநகராட்சி பள்ளிக் குழந்தைகளுக்கு இலவசமாக ஓவியப் பயிற்சியை அளிக்கவும் விரும்புகிறேன். '' என்கிறார் தன்னம்பிக்கையுடன் செல்வராணி.

Plum
14th September 2010, 09:15 PM
app, Karthik Raja was booked for this one. Not sure what happened - looks like he has been dropped :(

Sureshs65
14th September 2010, 11:15 PM
app_eng,

This one is for you. A detailed post about 'arai vekadu' Shaji.

http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_10.html

app_engine
14th September 2010, 11:25 PM
Sureshji,

Sanjeevi posted this link last week and there was some discussion as well - a couple of pages back :-)

In any case, it's nice to know that there're observant people (i.e outside our forum) on such phonies :-)

Sureshs65
15th September 2010, 12:20 AM
My bad. Didn't get to read all links as I was out of town last weekend.

This was posted in twitter by @kanapraba, who writes the radiospathy blog. Yes. There are a lot of people out there who think Shaji is half baked critic.

Plum
15th September 2010, 05:23 PM
Rumours that IR has won the NA for Pazhassi? Excited - not because of the NA but the fact that Pazhassi is a deserving one.

AravindMano
15th September 2010, 05:26 PM
Could be Background score as well. Award commissioned from this year.

Paa has already won two awards. Big B and Arundati.

AravindMano
15th September 2010, 05:30 PM
It's Amit Trivedi.

raagas
15th September 2010, 05:31 PM
Best Music award has been won by Amit Trivedi for Dev D.

If the rumour abt IR winning is true, then it could be for BGM of PR. Else, it is just a rumour!

raagas
15th September 2010, 05:33 PM
Ilaiyaraaja for best Background score, for Pazhassi Raja!

AravindMano
15th September 2010, 05:37 PM
Yay! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

raagas
15th September 2010, 05:43 PM
None of the singers who sang under IR's baton in 2009 got National award.

Female singer: Nilanjana Sarkar
Male singer: Rupam Islam

No idea which films? I am guessing it could be Natarang.

ajaybaskar
15th September 2010, 05:43 PM
:clap:

Maestro wins his 4th National award.

raajarasigan
15th September 2010, 05:50 PM
Best Background Score for Pazhassi Raja - Maestro Ilaiyaraaja :clap: :clap: :boo: :cheer:

raagas
15th September 2010, 05:51 PM
Come to think of it, it is the first time a National Award has been constituted for Best Background Score and our man wins it :-)

raajarasigan
15th September 2010, 05:57 PM
I strongly believe that this category will be his as long as he is scoring for films... :D

Plum
15th September 2010, 05:58 PM
Come to think of it, it is the first time a National Award has been constituted for Best Background Score and our man wins it :-)

Well, isnt that apt? Although I dont think Pazhassi is his best or generally outstanding. I sorely missed a local touch in the BGM in the movie. Just unpardonable coming from him.

They should name the award after him.

On a secondary note, gross injustice to Mammookka :evil:

Plum
15th September 2010, 06:00 PM
2010 BGM will be for Rahman for sure - VTV, Endhiran & Raavanan form a formidable trio in terms of reputation.

AravindMano
15th September 2010, 06:32 PM
After twenty years, Raja features in the NA list!

Sanjeevi
15th September 2010, 06:45 PM
2010 BGM will be for Rahman for sure - VTV, Endhiran & Raavanan form a formidable trio in terms of reputation.

NI now turned biased against ARR? source: CWG controversy

btw I was not impressed with ravanan BG score and VTV was good

appushiva
15th September 2010, 06:52 PM
Raaja kai vacha athu wronga ponathella...

Netru ellai Nallai ella eppavum nan raja...

Raja ,, Rajathi raja entha rajaa..

:redjump: :thumbsup: :ty: :yes: :happydance: :shoot:

appushiva
15th September 2010, 06:57 PM
Here is the NDTV news on winners:


http://movies.ndtv.com/movie_story.aspx?Section=Movies&ID=ENTEN20100153330&subcatg=MOVIESINDIA&keyword=bollywood&nid=52287[/url]

rajasaranam
15th September 2010, 06:58 PM
ராஜா களத்தில் இருக்கிறார் என்பதற்காகவும், இந்த விருது அவரை இன்னும் நிறைய இசை அமைக்க ஊக்குவிக்க வேண்டும் என்பதற்காகவும் வரவேற்போம் மகிழ்வோம்

vigneshram
15th September 2010, 07:09 PM
Congratulations to the newly emerged category of "Best BGM Category National Award". It is honoured now :-)

app_engine
15th September 2010, 07:12 PM
First NA for BGM to Raja - how appropriate!!

Congrats!!!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Sanjeevi
15th September 2010, 07:22 PM
:exactly: to above 3 posts

raagas
15th September 2010, 07:27 PM
I think IR won it because of the quality of cinema as well. Ofcourse, the BGM quality was no doubt top notch (i dont know how knowledgeable the jury is, lets not debate that), but the "notice-ability quotient' was high for this film since it was a period film drama. So his winning it again in future is largely dependent on he choosing such kind of films. For example, a Azhagar Malai or Suya kanthi have lesser chances of getting noticed, even if the BGMs are nice(musically) but with unimpressive picturisations. A large portion of Ilaiyaraaja's work, since 80s till now, have this problem. Good music for unimpressive picturisations, which might not cut well with audience/jury etc. A case in point is Uliyin Osai. Outstanding music for horrendous picturisations. This reduces the reach exponentially.

In short, his choice of films is the key parameter. Jagan Mohinis wont do.

But then, he wont choose films for awards in mind. his choices are as random as ever.

For now, it is a happy moment that the first award went to the most well deserved composer in this country.

Fliflo
15th September 2010, 07:47 PM
http://www.nakkheeran.in/users/frmNews.aspx?N=39459

raagas
15th September 2010, 08:03 PM
I now hope/wish Bhavana Talwar's "Happi" is compellingly brilliant! :-)

raja_fan
15th September 2010, 08:04 PM
Great :D

NormalMan
15th September 2010, 08:05 PM
Who else would be eligible than the master himself for this award !!

Extremely happy that Amit Trivedi was aptly recognized for his amazing Dev-D work too !!

I think NA did fairly right this time around. The winner list (barring a few) seemed alright.

app_engine
15th September 2010, 08:31 PM
வடக்கு மீடியா சொல்வது (http://movies.ndtv.com/movie_story.aspx?Section=Movies&ID=ENTEN20100153330&subcatg=MOVIESINDIA&keyword=bollywood&nid=52287&pfrom=Movies)



Well known music director Ilayaraja got the award for the award best background score for Kerala Verma Pazasi Raja.

...

Sippy said that for most of the decisions, there was no tussle. "We did deliberate, but fortunately it was not very difficult. Almost every decision was unanimous".

app_engine
15th September 2010, 08:36 PM
கேரளீய வீக்ஷணத்தில் (http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14956962)



Pazhassi Raja, which had swept Kerala State and Filmfare awards had to be satisfied with only Best Sound for Resul Pookutty and Background Score for Ilayaraja. Mammootty was heavily tipped to get Best Actor award for the film but at the last minute was piped to the post by Amitabh Bachchan for his Paa.


Side note : Pookkutty shares the award with two others. நல்ல வேளை இந்தத்தடவை பின்னணி இசைக்கு அந்த மாதிரி ஷேர் பிஸினஸ் இல்லை.

raj_musing
15th September 2010, 09:10 PM
http://tamilmoviestar.com/maestro-ilayaraja-got-national-award/

venkkiram
15th September 2010, 09:19 PM
Congrats Raja!

As raagas precisely pointed out, continue involving with good/better teams will yield best results as it just happened for "Pazhasi raaja". More than National awards, I wish Raja's background scores get recognized at international film festivals also in coming years. And this can be achievable only by involving in Bollywood projects.

rajasaranam
15th September 2010, 09:24 PM
Side note : Pookkutty shares the award with two others. நல்ல வேளை இந்தத்தடவை பின்னணி இசைக்கு அந்த மாதிரி ஷேர் பிஸினஸ் இல்லை.

Full List (http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=65776)

Neither Pookutty Nor Raaja are sharing awards with anyone. They are being awarded for separate sub-categories.

jaiganes
15th September 2010, 09:53 PM
Good news.
Lets hope that more good films get made with Raaja music.

app_engine
15th September 2010, 10:19 PM
எனக்கு ஒரு சின்ன டவுட்டு...

இந்த மத்திய சர்க்காருலயோ அல்லது அதிகார வர்க்கத்துலயோ யாராவது ராசா விசிறி-கிசிறி இருக்காங்களோ?

மொதல்ல பத்மபூஷண்.

அப்புறம் முன்ன இல்லாத "பின்னணி இசை"ன்னு ஒரு புது உப பிரிவு தொடக்கம்.

உடனே அது அன்னப்போஸ்டா ராசாவுக்கு.

:roll:

அப்டியெல்லாம் ஒன்னுமில்லைன்னு நம்புவோம் :-)

rooky
15th September 2010, 10:25 PM
PAA and PR were two really notable works of Raja last year (both songs and BGM).

It would have been a disappointment if they weren't recognised by NA commitee.

Really proud that raja picks the first ever BGM award.He would have swept plenty of it, had it been introduced years ago..

Job well done by the NA commitee. (we all anyway knew how well raja scored in these movies last year)

AravindMano
15th September 2010, 10:40 PM
Apparently, this was the word of appreciation mentioned with the award. Source not sure, got it in twitter.

"For creating epic grandeur by fusing symphonic orchestration with traditional Indian instrumentation"

app_engine
15th September 2010, 10:52 PM
"For creating epic grandeur by fusing symphonic orchestration with traditional Indian instrumentation"

We may be able to appreciate it better if released separately. As a package in the "just OK" movie, it was "just adequate" unlike some of IR's significant, scintillating scores earlier.

In any case, if 'kunnaththE' is considered as "part of BG score", then that alone is sufficient to rate PR as one of the best in IFM :-)

rajkumarc
15th September 2010, 11:26 PM
Great news :D Congrats to IR :notworthy:

Who else will deserve this better than IR for 2009. Hope we get to see more scintillating music from him.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
15th September 2010, 11:29 PM
Side note : Pookkutty shares the award with two others. நல்ல வேளை இந்தத்தடவை பின்னணி இசைக்கு அந்த மாதிரி ஷேர் பிஸினஸ் இல்லை.

பின்னணி இசை, ஷேர் பண்ணி ரெண்டு பேருக்கு தர முடியுமா என்ன??

அது போக, இசையருவி சிறந்த பின்னணி இசை உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவனுக்காக ஸ்ருதிக்கு தந்தாங்க. யார் கையிலன்னு உங்களுக்கெல்லாம் தெரிஞ்சிருக்கணுமே, நம்ம ஐயா கையால தன. ங்கொய்யால, சரி புதுப்போண்ணுன்னு விட்டுட்டேன்.

அவரு கையில ஒரு "சிறந்த பின்னணி இசை" வெச்சிருக்காரு. அதை யாராச்சும் தொடக்கூட முடியுமா?!?

Sanjeevi
16th September 2010, 12:24 AM
http://www.tamiloviam.com/site/?p=923&cpage=1#comment-143

Sureshs65
16th September 2010, 12:27 AM
More than Raja getting the award, I am amazed that the committee chose him for the award !!! For once, an award has been newly constituted and it goes to the most eligible person. Very difficult to believe in our NA context :D But then, something good done has to be appreciated. I am happy because this will let people know that he is still a giant in this field and is still producing top class stuff.

Personally I felt that 'Pazhassi Raja' probably deserved the best music. I find it much better in quality than 'DevD' but I am not complaining. Amit Trivedi has done a nice job in 'DevD' and it is always good to encourage new talent.

jaiganes
16th September 2010, 01:00 AM
More than Raja getting the award, I am amazed that the committee chose him for the award !!! For once, an award has been newly constituted and it goes to the most eligible person. Very difficult to believe in our NA context :D But then, something good done has to be appreciated. I am happy because this will let people know that he is still a giant in this field and is still producing top class stuff.

Personally I felt that 'Pazhassi Raja' probably deserved the best music. I find it much better in quality than 'DevD' but I am not complaining. Amit Trivedi has done a nice job in 'DevD' and it is always good to encourage new talent.
DevD was a near perfect musical and an angry one at that.
Though garage music had been heard before in indian movies, never in its angriest form. The emotional expression that DevD's music had was unbelievably pristine, raw and unformatted. For a movie to give such a prominence to its music and let it carry forward all the contextual emotion without creating a slow down - it is an unbelievable feat. So DevD is the winner hands down - though PR had its traditional strength as a music with vision that kept it a tad alien. However if the NA committee had a category of best song, I would have rooted for "Ambum Kombum" - as a song it simply brings forward all necessary contexts and packs it in harmonically and in an organic manner.

app_engine
16th September 2010, 03:48 AM
தட்டிச்சென்றுள்ளார் :lol: (http://dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Cinema&artid=303793&SectionID=141&MainSectionID=141&SEO=&Title=)

MelHarmony
16th September 2010, 07:21 AM
Hearty congrats to Raaja!
If "music to the film context" alone is the criteria IR should won more than hundred awards. If "brilliance of musical content" is alone the the criteria, IR should have won few hundreds of awards.

Since award committee is changing fast, a mistake committed in one year stays committed and there is very little chance to take a corrective action. The new committe takes a fresh set of films and give a fresh look into films. Hence luck plays a MAJOR role!
I am expecting "Happi" to be recognised on this category!

Not able to prevent the thought that "Nallathor veenai sethaen, adhai nalam keda..............."

Even after 13 years I am still not able to digest the fact that malayalam film "GURU" didnt receive any award in music. What a masterpiece to go unnoticed.............sheer waste. Even it was not recognised with other "ditchy" movies of 1997.







Ilaiyaraaja for best Background score, for Pazhassi Raja!

NormalMan
16th September 2010, 07:56 AM
Even after 13 years I am still not able to digest the fact that malayalam film "GURU" didnt receive any award in music. What a masterpiece to go unnoticed.............sheer waste. Even it was not recognised with other "ditchy" movies of 1997.

Concur. One of the topnotch and greatest ever soundtracks produced. I wish someone remaster's it.

sivasub
16th September 2010, 08:40 AM
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/ilayaraja-says-music-is-his-passion/324513.html

Ilayaraja says music is his passion

app_engine
16th September 2010, 08:42 AM
Awards and accolades did not matter


Note the pointtu :-)

njv
16th September 2010, 09:35 AM
This new award is now honored.

ananth222
16th September 2010, 10:11 AM
This new award is now honored.
Well said! That is what I was thinking too... now this award has some meaning...

rajasaranam
16th September 2010, 10:43 AM
இப்போது மகிழ்ச்சியாக இருக்கிறேன்.இந்த விருது ஊக்குவிப்புதானே தவிர, அங்கீகாரம் இல்லை. (http://dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Cinema&artid=303795&SectionID=141&MainSectionID=141&SEO=&Title=%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A 4%E0%AF%81%20%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95% E0%AF%80%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF %8D%20%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%B2%20%E0%A E%8A%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B5% E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81%E0%AE %A4%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%8D:%20%E0%AE%87%E0%AE% B3%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%9C%E0 %AE%BE)


முன்னதாக

ராஜா களத்தில் இருக்கிறார் என்பதற்காகவும், இந்த விருது அவரை இன்னும் நிறைய இசை அமைக்க ஊக்குவிக்க வேண்டும் என்பதற்காகவும் வரவேற்போம் மகிழ்வோம்

தலைவன் எவ்வழியோ தொண்டர்களும் அவ்வழியே :P

raj_musing
16th September 2010, 12:05 PM
More updates from Sep:

http://geniusraja.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.html

Plum
16th September 2010, 12:28 PM
2010 BGM will be for Rahman for sure - VTV, Endhiran & Raavanan form a formidable trio in terms of reputation.

NI now turned biased against ARR? source: CWG controversy

btw I was not impressed with ravanan BG score and VTV was good
Obviously depends on the jury composition - for instance, if saarug gaan adi podis is the jury chairman, Rahman will be sabotaged against - but I feel definitely Rahman(because he has 2-3 strong movies) or some bollywoodie. Anyway, nammALUkku indha varushma periya movie Edhum illai so no worries.

In the big picture, awards dont really matter - MSV and NT have Zilch between them. All the same, thagudhiyAna pAdal parisu perum bOdhu magizhchi adaivadhum, thagudhi illAdha pAdal perum bOdhu pongi ezhuvadhum nam kadamai. andha vagaila PazhassikAga magizhchi. PAA Amit-jikAga pongal.

A.ANAND
16th September 2010, 12:30 PM
'isai ghani'ikku vazhthukkal!


:clap: :clap: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :2thumbsup:

kameshratnam
16th September 2010, 12:43 PM
On a serious note, neither i have heard of film called DEV D nor i have heard of Amit trivedi

2009: all throught was a great year for IR: Nan Kadavul released on 1st Jan 2009 followed by nandhalala...then we had pazhassi raja and paa and many more

Punnaimaran
16th September 2010, 12:46 PM
பின்னணி இசை பிரிவின் முதல் விருதை நம் இசைஞானி இளையராஜாவுக்கு வழங்கியிருப்பது அந்த விருதுக்கே கிடைத்த பெருமை !!

Punnaimaran
16th September 2010, 12:48 PM
'குன்னத்தே' பாடலுக்காக சித்ராவுக்கு விருது கிடைக்காததில் சிறு வருத்தம் தான்...ஹும்

Plum
16th September 2010, 01:57 PM
Even after 13 years I am still not able to digest the fact that malayalam film "GURU" didnt receive any award in music. What a masterpiece to go unnoticed.............sheer waste. Even it was not recognised with other "ditchy" movies of 1997.

Concur. One of the topnotch and greatest ever soundtracks produced. I wish someone remaster's it.

That year, the award went to Annamaiya. With due respect, there was no vision from the MD, no addition from the MD, nor much contextual music in the movie. Well, it was K Raghavendra Rao movie, with the typical fruits on heroine's belly button stuff, so what do you expect any way.

So, obviously, what influenced the committe members was the legacy of annamaiya's brilliant compositions. Nothing more.

Clearly, there was no thought process around BGM at that point at all. In that sense, the separate BGM award is a good attempt but how sad it comes so late. In the 80's and 90's IR would have swept 10-15 awards

(Take for example, the dilemma Balu M faced in1992 - Roja or DM - he could have happily given one to Roja and one to DM that year :-) )

Plum
16th September 2010, 02:01 PM
'குன்னத்தே' பாடலுக்காக சித்ராவுக்கு விருது கிடைக்காததில் சிறு வருத்தம் தான்...ஹும்

yes, yes.

raagas
16th September 2010, 03:22 PM
IR meets press: http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/23554.html

venkkiram
16th September 2010, 05:40 PM
IR meets press: http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/23554.htmlஇப்ப உள்ள இசை அமைப்பாளர்களையெல்லாம் இப்படி நையப்புடைக்கிறாரே.. பக்கத்திலயே நின்றுகொண்டிருக்கும் யுவனுக்கு எப்படிப்பட்ட மனநிலை இருந்திருக்கும்?! இந்த முறை கர்நாடக கலைஞர்களுக்கும் அடி! பழசிராஜா இயக்குனரையும், தயாரிப்பாளரையும் அடிக்கடி ராஜா நினைவு கூர்ந்தது பாராட்டுதலுக்குரியது. இவர்கள் மூவருக்கும் இடையே நல்லதொரு வேதியல் மாற்றம் உருவாகியிருந்ததையே இந்த பேட்டி பறை சாற்றுகிறது.

Plum
16th September 2010, 05:45 PM
I think his point that the word composer should be used judiciously is quite valid.

appushiva
16th September 2010, 06:38 PM
Yes, Key board players and mixing using computers should not be called as composers.

WELL said RAja Sir....

Strong reply ,,

kameshratnam
16th September 2010, 08:39 PM
pazhassi raja climax scenes...only music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-KDRr3Md4&feature=related

app_engine
16th September 2010, 08:52 PM
IR meets press: http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/23554.html

இவரோட ப்ரஸ் மீட்டெல்லாம் கொஞ்சம் பயந்துக்கிட்டே தான் பாக்க வேண்டியிருக்கு - 'எந்த நேரத்துல என்ன வந்து விழுமோ'ன்னு :-)

ஹரிஹரனை சிலாகித்தது ரொம்ப சந்தோஷமான விஷயம். மற்றபடி ரெகுலர் விஷயங்கள் தான் :-)

யுவன் பக்கத்தில் இருந்தா என்ன, இல்லாட்டி என்ன - ராசா அதையெல்லாம் பத்திக்கவலையே படற டைப் இல்லையே. அப்படியெல்லாம் 'இடம், பொருள், கோழி' பிஸினஸ் இருந்திருந்தா இன்னக்கு அவர் கேரியரே வேற மாதிரி அல்லவா இருந்திருக்கும்?

Fliflo
16th September 2010, 09:30 PM
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2010/september/160910.asp

app_engine
16th September 2010, 10:08 PM
Question - is there such a famine in TN for instrumentalists?

IR is challenging 'show me one' (obviously, no one will tell a name in such a setting, even if many names come into their mind instantly).

So, TN'ers, tell - tell - who are the leading players of traditional instruments in the state today and how good are they!

Devaraagam
16th September 2010, 10:36 PM
IR meets press: http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/23554.html

இவரோட ப்ரஸ் மீட்டெல்லாம் கொஞ்சம் பயந்துக்கிட்டே தான் பாக்க வேண்டியிருக்கு - 'எந்த நேரத்துல என்ன வந்து விழுமோ'ன்னு :-)


Oh everyone is scaring like me when IR attending press meet :) I used to feel that media cannot understand and reproduce his speech in a correct manner. always there will be + and - (mostly) :)

venkkiram
16th September 2010, 10:40 PM
இப்படி சுண்டு விரல் சொடுக்கும் பேச்சுக்கள் வருவது குறுகிய காலத்தில் இரண்டாவது தடவை என நினைக்கிறேன்.

கொஞ்ச நாட்களுக்கு முன்பு ஒரு விழாவில் "ஒருவர் கூட இதுவரை இப்படிப்பட்ட சூழ்நிலை, இப்படிப்பட்ட பாடல் வேண்டும் எனக் கேட்டதில்லை, யாராவது ஒருவராவது?" என இதுவரை அவர் பணியாற்றிய இயக்குனர்கள் அனைவரையும் பார்த்து விரல் சொடுக்கினார்.

இப்போது யாராவது ஒரு இசைக்கலைஞரை காட்ட முடியுமா?

எப்போதுமே உணர்ச்சி வசப்பட்டே பேசுகிறார்.

app_engine
16th September 2010, 10:47 PM
எப்போதுமே உணர்ச்சி வசப்பட்டே பேசுகிறார்.

அதுக்குத்தான நாங்க இங்க ரொம்ப நாளா சொல்லிக்கிட்டிருக்கோம் - 'ரெகார்டிங் தியேட்டர் வுட்டு வெளிய வந்தா அவர் கிட்ட மைக்கையே காட்டப்டாது'ன்னு. :-)

NormalMan
16th September 2010, 11:06 PM
Question - is there such a famine in TN for instrumentalists?

IR is challenging 'show me one' (obviously, no one will tell a name in such a setting, even if many names come into their mind instantly).

So, TN'ers, tell - tell - who are the leading players of traditional instruments in the state today and how good are they!

There is no one today who can command the same respect as Lalgudi or Chitti Babu (was from AP though) or Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan or Palghat Mani or L. Subramaniam or Vinayakram or Namagiripettai or Karukurichi Arunachalam.

We have Mandolin Srinivas as one of the saving graces. I think IR's point was about, how much you improvise and present/contribute Vs following the book.

Sanjeevi
16th September 2010, 11:12 PM
yes we should the positives from IR's negative speech :)

jaiganes
17th September 2010, 01:01 AM
I absolutely agree with the point he makes abt carnatic musicians. They comparatively have lesser tendency or interest to improvise. Only playing in the same "Kutcheri" mindset - Very hard to find someone who can be as virtuoso as a kunnakudi or Chitti babu. I am a huge fan of Chitti babu' kokila geetha (kuyil paattu) improvisations - Veenai Gayathri was a solid player and I dont know where she is. The situation is so commercial, that every one wants to do the same thing. Such people cannot meet the mindbending instrumental needs of someone like Ilaiyaraaja.

SVN
17th September 2010, 03:58 AM
Guess what? While the media had us (including IR) believe that a separate award category was created for Best Background Score, the fact is, the Award for BEST MUSIC DIRECTION has been jointly given to Amit Trivedi (for songs) and Ilaiyaraja (for background score).

Please see the press release by the Govt. (Directorate of Film Festivals) below. Go to item no. 22 in the table.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=65776

jaiganes
17th September 2010, 06:00 AM
Guess what? While the media had us (including IR) believe that a separate award category was created for Best Background Score, the fact is, the Award for BEST MUSIC DIRECTION has been jointly given to Amit Trivedi (for songs) and Ilaiyaraja (for background score).

Please see the press release by the Govt. (Directorate of Film Festivals) below. Go to item no. 22 in the table.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=65776

sooper. kizhinjudhu lambaadi lungi.
It becomes a new category if they start pirichufying the music direction and BG score separate hitherto. Understandably Raaja felt bad for not giving complete Music direction (from whatever he mentioned in the interview and the hot tone with which he gave the interview). I liked it when he settled the scores with all the mallu media which had field day initially.

MelHarmony
17th September 2010, 06:59 AM
i am also satisfied about this. but sharing the awardc with Amit reduces the impact neverthless. without getting national recog IR has deep dived into BGM and produced magic. this undoubtedly proves that his music was ahead of times. Period.


I liked it when he settled the scores with all the mallu media which had field day initially.[/quote]

kameshratnam
17th September 2010, 09:28 AM
IR SIR: Lalgudi Jayaraman who is turning 80 now won the best MD for the film Sringaram. He is not a keyboard person.

Vidyasagar, Ousapacchan, MM Keeravani: Still have live instrument players with them and all are your students..who worked under you.

Lets not generalize

NormalMan
17th September 2010, 09:30 AM
I liked it when he settled the scores with all the mallu media which had field day initially.

Good reply to jokers like these,
http://www.nowrunning.com/news/malayalam/there-would-have-been-no-controversy-if-the-songs-of-pazhassi-raja-were-hits-ouseppachan/27669/story.htm

baroque
17th September 2010, 10:14 AM
I don't know about Ilayaraaja's speech.
Not at all interested.

some of the instrumentalists working in Carnatic field now are awesome. I listened to some of them as supporting artists.

I attend SIFA - San jose concerts.

Embar Kannan works for Ilayaraaja.
http://www.embarkannan.com/

Nagai Sriram is amazing.

R.K.Shriramkumar at SPICMACAY, Stanford University..solo violin concert was enjoyable.

B.V.Raghavendra Rao is outstanding.
He works international.
New age fusion.
http://www.nadaka.com/living-colours.html

violinist Varadarajan plays for Sanjai.

Recently he toured USA with Prince Rama Varma.

Aruna Sairam or Sanjai or Prince Rama Varma.. they all have praises for them.They were such a treat.
Indeed they are good at what they do.

Can't wait to enjoy their solo or duets or jugalbandhi soon.
They are all young around 35..Indian Classical music is in very safe hands.
Vinatha.

raj_musing
17th September 2010, 11:14 AM
Guess what? While the media had us (including IR) believe that a separate award category was created for Best Background Score, the fact is, the Award for BEST MUSIC DIRECTION has been jointly given to Amit Trivedi (for songs) and Ilaiyaraja (for background score).

Please see the press release by the Govt. (Directorate of Film Festivals) below. Go to item no. 22 in the table.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=65776

sooper. kizhinjudhu lambaadi lungi.
It becomes a new category if they start pirichufying the music direction and BG score separate hitherto. Understandably Raaja felt bad for not giving complete Music direction (from whatever he mentioned in the interview and the hot tone with which he gave the interview). I liked it when he settled the scores with all the mallu media which had field day initially.

Raja has not settled any scores with media here,as the media in general overreacts and creats a furore for literally anything...rather I would say this recognition was a fitting reply to the state award committe which had not considered "Resool" and "Raja" for any award recently claiming that the sound editing/BG score did not have the required sheen to make it to the top. The fact that a fantastic piece of output got rewarded at a higher level is really laudable...

MumbaiRamki
17th September 2010, 12:01 PM
1) Its funny that we even comment on what Raaja has said . I say this because most of us haven't seen the musicians that Raaja has worked with and we neither know what raaja expect with current musicians. It is his opinion, and it stops there.

2) In my view, i do find lot of children (more infact) learning music these days - but i will blame the parents & the teachers who focus on fame rather than the joy of being in music . This was echoed many times by sowmya , Bombay Jayashree , Nithyashree . ( even earlier , we had focus on arangetrams but with media joining in the joy of immersing in music has gone down drastically ) .

3) Kamesh : IR has huge regards of lalgudi , dont think he would have ever had him in mind.

4) I don't know how manya re using Live instrumentalists . Except for few like IR, others use it based on the theme and budget. DOn't think there is anybody to blame, but people liek IR who had the joy of working with 80 muscians in studio to create/record music will crib :)

raagas
17th September 2010, 12:13 PM
Saw the interview. I agree with IR on some things. Disagree on some things. And I dont know why does he crib about synthesizers,other composers etc even when it is a happy occassion to discuss the score! Felt it was not right!

My personal opinion!

raagas
17th September 2010, 12:25 PM
I don't know about Ilayaraaja's speech.
Not at all interested.

some of the instrumentalists working in Carnatic field now are awesome. I listened to some of them as supporting artists.

I attend SIFA - San jose concerts.

Embar Kannan works for Ilayaraaja.
http://www.embarkannan.com/

Nagai Sriram is amazing.

R.K.Shriramkumar at SPICMACAY, Stanford University..solo violin concert was enjoyable.

B.V.Raghavendra Rao is outstanding.
He works international.
New age fusion.
http://www.nadaka.com/living-colours.html

violinist Varadarajan plays for Sanjai.

Recently he toured USA with Prince Rama Varma.

Aruna Sairam or Sanjai or Prince Rama Varma.. they all have praises for them.They were such a treat.
Indeed they are good at what they do.

Can't wait to enjoy their solo or duets or jugalbandhi soon.
They are all young around 35..Indian Classical music is in very safe hands.
Vinatha.

I completely second you. I wont say that the sanctity of treating raagas(not me, but raagams ;) ) like the way the yester-year greats such as Semmangudi or KVN are the same... but then, generations pass. KVN's guru was probably greater than him. There is always a difference between two generations. But what we must acknowledge is that there are youngsters are still interested, be it in India or abroad. And the people you have cited here are all good.I dont know why IR is so cynical.

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 12:32 PM
His aadhangam on the decline of the stature of Indian Film music specially tamil film music has made him speak like that...Though his words were a bit hitting.....it is true...and he does have the authority to make such statements becoz he was one among the composers who redefined and set a benchmark for TFM ...BUt as we all know he is true to his conscience and his music and cares a damn about what others think...He is aware of the fact that people will read between lines and assumptions are possible....but the way he put forth his views ..it was obvious that he does'nt care about the consequences ....Some may call it "arrogance" I prefer to call it "valor "

raagas
17th September 2010, 01:22 PM
Some may call it "arrogance" I prefer to call it "valor "

Is it the case of "If IR does it, its valor; but if other composers do that,its arrogance"! what is.. is. we only put labels, according to our convenience :-)

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 03:14 PM
Some may call it "arrogance" I prefer to call it "valor "

"If IR does it, its valor; but if other composers do that,its arrogance"! what is.. is. we only put labels, according to our convenience :-)

yes, to me his words were not exhibiting arrogance and how others take it is not my concern..
As a composer who has contributed more than its worth to tamil films and the one who made known a concept called BGM, he definitely has a say in the the current music trend. If he does not ...who else has...?
to me IR may ( acc to convenience) exhibit arrogance ..but his music does not.....but the Music of most MD's exhibit arrogance though the MDs appears humble....which is negligible is left to the choice of Individuals ....that way I prefer to stand by IR...

appushiva
17th September 2010, 03:26 PM
I completely accept the views of Ritu_krishnan. So far we never seen any artist in film industry exposed valor has IR sir did. This is not the first time sir explodes he always express in press meets about the growing irresponsibilities in movie industry. I seen others in their speech either be an opportunist or humble, except a few like Kamal, SPB and Bala.
We in general should encourage , support music in our cultural depths otherwise our grandchildrens will seen only in musuems instruments like veenai, mirudangam, tabla etc.,

IR sir is not a college professor to give a lecture correctly , just receive his intentions and try to support him ( if you feel good for indian generation)

Regards...

raagas
17th September 2010, 03:32 PM
Some may call it "arrogance" I prefer to call it "valor "

"If IR does it, its valor; but if other composers do that,its arrogance"! what is.. is. we only put labels, according to our convenience :-)


to me IR may ( acc to convenience) exhibit arrogance ..but his music does not.....but the Music of most MD's exhibit arrogance though the MDs appears humble....which is negligible is left to the choice of Individuals ....that way I prefer to stand by IR...

How can music exhibit arrogance? Music is afterall 7 notes. Like IR himself said, there is nothing like Good Music or Bad music. There is only what we like and what we dislike. How can sound or music (a positive element) have arrogance (negative element). And how can we recognize 'arrogance' in music. probably thats just another negative label, we are putting on something we dont like and then saying that it has that quality (arrogance).

We are too small to assess or judge his arrogance or valor or whatever! thats none of our business. What matters is his music! we need to enjoy that. and only that :-)

enough of this, lets move on. whats the next film in pipeline?

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 03:46 PM
Some may call it "arrogance" I prefer to call it "valor "

"If IR does it, its valor; but if other composers do that,its arrogance"! what is.. is. we only put labels, according to our convenience :-)


to me IR may ( acc to convenience) exhibit arrogance ..but his music does not.....but the Music of most MD's exhibit arrogance though the MDs appears humble....which is negligible is left to the choice of Individuals ....that way I prefer to stand by IR...

How can music exhibit arrogance?

why not ? music that violates the laws if music can definitely be called as Arrogant ....

raagas
17th September 2010, 04:03 PM
nitu_krishnan,

every artist creates his own laws. There were many composers who created their own laws and operated within those laws.And broke them too, to create something 'pathbreaking'. IR too did the same.created laws.and even broke some laws, to create something beautiful (beautiful for fans; for an outsider who is not exposed to IR music or for someone who dislikes IR music, it is not beautiful and hence he/she would say that laws were broken. who is right? who is wrong? it is subjective).Same applies to everyone.

arrogance is a human trait.music is just music.you please ask IR if music, generally can be 'arrogant'.he will tell you that there is music even in barking of dogs and how can a 7 notes have arrogance inside them. they are afterall sounds.
Something that we do not like, does not mean that law of music has been violated. I wonder if there are laws for music. There are only forms (this again will be disproved by IR,for he seamlessly merges forms to prove that Music is ONE), but laws! i am not sure. if you like IR music, it doesnt mean Charlie parker music or Beatles music violates the laws of music and hence arrogant. Its all about either we like or dislike. Thats all! rest all, are our perceptions, based on the labels we give, to identify them.

This is getting philosophical. So, as i said, take it easy and lets continue with usual discussions!

kameshratnam
17th September 2010, 04:27 PM
Let today's music be popcorn. I completely agree with the argument. Out of 100 film albums may be 10 songs are of good category.

IR has a job on hand, if he says todays music this and that..let him release more music which has live sound..More symphonies and more HTNI and NBW..what is he going to do regarding the change as a responsible MD?

Plum
17th September 2010, 05:21 PM
As a prominent musician of our times, IR should express his views. Accept it or don't. But don't deny him the right to express. Imo, he has a point. It is not about how well you do what you have been taught.

raagas
17th September 2010, 05:28 PM
As a prominent musician of our times, IR should express his views. Accept it or don't. But don't deny him the right to express. Imo, he has a point. It is not about how well you do what you have been taught.

Totally agreed! Just that i felt the ocassion was not right! Its a happy occassion. it would have been nice if he just chilled out and elaborated on positive aspects. I know he was asked to comment on it, by journos, but then... whats the point of talking about negative things on a festival? :)
or may I am too bored listening to him talk about same issue over and over, since few years.

inetk
17th September 2010, 06:35 PM
Ilayaraja, the person, is quite different from his music. They are not the one and the same. He can be anything he wants to, his personal choice. And he can utter anything he wants, arrogantly or not. His music is what matters, and as a composer nobody is evolved enough to dispute his genius. Connecting his utterance after this award, to his personality and eventually, to his music, is like saying people hate Rahman for the CWG theme. People hate the theme music, not the person - and some people misunderstand that hatred and direct it towards the composer. Quite unfortunate - in both cases.

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 07:12 PM
nitu_krishnan,

every artist creates his own laws. There were many composers who created their own laws and operated within those laws.And broke them too, to create something 'pathbreaking'. IR too did the same.created laws.and even broke some laws, to create something beautiful (beautiful for fans; for an outsider who is not exposed to IR music or for someone who dislikes IR music, it is not beautiful and hence he/she would say that laws were broken. who is right? who is wrong? it is subjective).Same applies to everyone.

arrogance is a human trait.music is just music.you please ask IR if music, generally can be 'arrogant'.he will tell you that there is music even in barking of dogs and how can a 7 notes have arrogance inside them. they are afterall sounds.
Something that we do not like, does not mean that law of music has been violated. I wonder if there are laws for music. There are only forms (this again will be disproved by IR,for he seamlessly merges forms to prove that Music is ONE), but laws! i am not sure. if you like IR music, it doesnt mean Charlie parker music or Beatles music violates the laws of music and hence arrogant. Its all about either we like or dislike. Thats all! rest all, are our perceptions, based on the labels we give, to identify them.

This is getting philosophical. So, as i said, take it easy and lets continue with usual discussions!

I dont mean to say that I do not like the music of others.I do like other forms of music though I dont listen to them a lot.As a tamilian I do regret the lack of good MDs when i see the comments in youtube videos linking most of the current tamil songs to hollywood songs calling it "lifts " and "copy cats"...plagiarism in tamil songs is escalating, Whether we agree or not...Let the current MDs create a style of their own, compose ORIGINAL tunes....I 'll be the happiest person....
Others might defend saying even IR copied...yes I agree ...may be 100 songs out of his 4500...thats it ...Other MDs % of lifting is shocking ..close to 50 %...this is what I call arrogant music...taking credit,when not deserving ...

K
17th September 2010, 07:15 PM
http://arumbavur.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_16.html#comment-form

enna koduma sir ithu

app_engine
17th September 2010, 07:17 PM
Just that i felt the ocassion was not right!

I think this "occasion" business is only for people surrounding him :-)

His way of hitting out his thoughts is possibly an indirect way of telling "Hey, I don't care about this award / glitter business. Good that it brought some microphones in front of me to give me freedom of expression i.e. telling what I feel to the publikku...don't care for it any more than that " :-)

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 07:21 PM
Just that i felt the ocassion was not right!

I think this "occasion" business is only for people surrounding him :-)

His way of hitting out his thoughts is possibly an indirect way of telling "Hey, I don't care about this award / glitter business. Good that it brought some microphones in front of me to give me freedom of expression i.e. telling what I feel to the publikku...don't care for it any more than that " :-)

Absolutely ! He has nothing to loose right now by making such statements..

app_engine
17th September 2010, 07:26 PM
MSN report on his interview (http://entertainment.in.msn.com/southcinema/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4393109)

rooky
17th September 2010, 08:46 PM
The whole world knows that Raja is not a media-friendly person.His words and interviews may not be sweet to your ears but his music definitely is.

This is a free world and if today's composers have a right (obviously because of their limitations) to dish out music at their will, and some
thukkada has a right to write whatever he feels in his blog/web, Raja definitely has his rights in expressing whatever he feels.

Why do you guys want him to talk the way, to your liking. is he asking anything like that to you as a person? He has his rights to express just the way you do it.


I think, Raja's words are straight out of his heart, just like his music. you may or may not like it, but u cannot control him.

Respect him as an individual and we do not have any rights to deny him, what you and i get.

sloshed
17th September 2010, 09:22 PM
I have always wondered why this Man with all his extraordinary talent did not get his due recognition worldwide. Now Im convinced that there is a basic simple reason for it. I wonder how he will put others down if he had to get an Oscar.

The audacity to show him instrumentalists!! when the western world is still under seige with some on fantastic instrumentalists from India.

Shabbaaa ..cant even imagine the tone of the interview.

Havent seen one interview where he does not say " Music is in my blood. It like breath to Me" !! and offcourse how bad are people's taste has gone down. and he is not alone, I have seen some of his fans here come and tell how mediocre other MD's are (trip to kerala does this to people I guess) ..Why cant anyone understand people's taste varies. Never underestimate the power of the people.. Maybe thats where ARR stands apart. His humility is humbling!!

Just as Raja is given freedom to express his thoughts, so am I. I cannot separate the man from his music. Maybe some of you can. Raja to me is more than just another musician whose music runs in my car. I am more hurt than anything.

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 09:32 PM
I have always wondered why this Man with all his extraordinary talent did not get his due recognition worldwide. .
simple ! Oscar does not deserve to be in the hands of this genius..sounds too much..it is too much like his music..

app_engine
17th September 2010, 09:37 PM
இன்னொரு மாதிரியான புகைச்சல் (http://tamil.webdunia.com/entertainment/film/featuresorarticles/1009/17/1100917032_1.htm)



ஜாம்பவான்கள் நிறைந்திருந்த இசையுலகு இப்போது மொட்டையடிக்கப்பட்டு விட்டதாக குறைபட்டுக் கொண்டவர், ஆங்கிலத்தையும், தெலுங்கையும், மலையாளத்தையும் மட்டுமே தனது பேட்டியின் போது பயன்படுத்தினார். தமிழ் மீது இளையராஜாவுக்கு அப்படி என்ன கோபமோ?


Possibly because of the "all-India-media" and PR that got award being a non-TF...In any case, there was some Thamizh - it wasn't zero Thamizh as per video.

raj_musing
17th September 2010, 11:05 PM
Dear Gents

As we have discussed this once,Great achievers have their eccentricities and may not be a disciplined orator :)
We should be talking only about their achievements rather than attacking their personality.

nitu_krishnan
17th September 2010, 11:25 PM
[tscii:7caedd0cdd]All said and done, becoming controversial is the hallmark of an unparalleled achiever, an undisputable genius. As the tamil saying goes “only the fruit laden trees bear the brunts of stones “, so is IR even at the age of 65. I have not heard of any music composers get into controversies as IR. Even his current contemporaries are exceptions…[/tscii:7caedd0cdd]

sivasub
17th September 2010, 11:25 PM
One more good news.... Ilaiyaraaja to be conferred Akshaya Samman 2010

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4395503&_p=d93867b9-eb18-4148-8f25-9102e3fd175d#uc2Lstd93867b9-eb18-4148-8f25-9102e3fd175d

http://www.indiareport.com/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/900505/National/1/20/1

raj_musing
17th September 2010, 11:34 PM
One more good news.... Ilaiyaraaja to be conferred Akshaya Samman 2010

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4395503&_p=d93867b9-eb18-4148-8f25-9102e3fd175d#uc2Lstd93867b9-eb18-4148-8f25-9102e3fd175d

http://www.indiareport.com/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/900505/National/1/20/1

Never heard of this award before :)

sivasub
17th September 2010, 11:44 PM
One more good news.... Ilaiyaraaja to be conferred Akshaya Samman 2010

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4395503&_p=d93867b9-eb18-4148-8f25-9102e3fd175d#uc2Lstd93867b9-eb18-4148-8f25-9102e3fd175d

http://www.indiareport.com/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/900505/National/1/20/1

Never heard of this award before :)

Same here. But looking at the previous awardees this does seem a prestigious one.

app_engine
17th September 2010, 11:50 PM
Though many tend to record their displeasure for certain personality traits of IR (anger / outburst / haughtiness etc) and also glorify other composers for not having such traits, they conveniently forget certain facts as this blogger does. (http://finemessage.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post.html)

That, but for such competitive - adamant stand took by IR v/s producers / directors / heroes, none of the respecttu that current composers enjoy would have happened in the first place!

The sky-high salaries or demands to travel to far-away islands for "composing sessions" or even mere recognitions wouldn't have been possible but for the militant stand of IR!

பிழிஞ்சு பிழிஞ்சு வேலை வாங்கிட்டு, துச்சமான சம்பளம் கொடுத்திட்டு, ஓரமா ஒக்கார வச்சுட்டு, ஏறி மிதிச்சிட்டுப்போயிருப்பாய்ங்க! போனாப்போகுதுன்னு தளபதி, மன்னர், சேனாதிபதின்னெல்லாம் வேணா டைட்டில்ஸ் கொடுத்திருப்பாய்ங்க :-)

jaiganes
18th September 2010, 12:19 AM
I have always wondered why this Man with all his extraordinary talent did not get his due recognition worldwide. Now Im convinced that there is a basic simple reason for it. I wonder how he will put others down if he had to get an Oscar.

The audacity to show him instrumentalists!! when the western world is still under seige with some on fantastic instrumentalists from India.

Shabbaaa ..cant even imagine the tone of the interview.

Havent seen one interview where he does not say " Music is in my blood. It like breath to Me" !! and offcourse how bad are people's taste has gone down. and he is not alone, I have seen some of his fans here come and tell how mediocre other MD's are (trip to kerala does this to people I guess) ..Why cant anyone understand people's taste varies. Never underestimate the power of the people.. Maybe thats where ARR stands apart. His humility is humbling!!

Just as Raja is given freedom to express his thoughts, so am I. I cannot separate the man from his music. Maybe some of you can. Raja to me is more than just another musician whose music runs in my car. I am more hurt than anything.

manasa thethikonga. ennikkaavadhu oru naal andha manushan thimirellaam poayee - ellaarum nalla meesik podaraanga. ovvoru studiolayum naadhaswaram, veenai, thavil, flute, goattu vaadhiyam, parai appdinnu vidha vidhamaana vaadhiyangaLai kalakkalaa vaasikkara aatkal neranju irukkaanga - enakku dhaan kannu theriyalai, kaadhu kekkalainnu ungalukku pidichcha unmaigalai avar solvaar. Adhu varai poru maname.

Sureshs65
18th September 2010, 12:49 AM
One thing I have learnt from earlier episodes related to Raja is that never to comment until I see the video. I saw it and hence the comment :)

For a minute let us assume a person who is totally new to Tamilnadu, TFM etc (but understands Tamil) were to see / hear this particular press conference. What would be his / her opinion. My feeling is that person would have thought that this music director's main aim is to praise the director and producer of 'PazhassiRaja'. In between he also talks about his composing techniques, talks proudly about his composing ability but overall he seems happy that the work of the director and producer of the film has borne fruits. They may also feel that he is lamenting the lack of good instrumentalists in South India and the need to use synthesizers. Some things seemed to have happened which have destroyed the culture of generating good instrumentalists. The last line as per the video would sound like a throwaway line given to the press for 'quoting'. What we have inferred is exactly the opposite. The throwaway line becomes the main line, no one is bothered about what Raja has spoken about Hariharan and the producer!!

I was quite impressed with the press conference for the following reasons:

1. People say Raja is very egoistic and sloshed here accuses Raja of something on these lines. My question to people like sloshed is: How did you miss out all the nice things that Raja told about Hariharan, MTV or about the producer? I guess the preconceived notions about Raja's arrogance plays a part here.

2. It is always great to listen to true composers explaining how they compose a song. I was happy to hear Raja explaining how he composed for 'alamadangana'. I have a selfish reason for being happy here. When I reviewed the music of 'Pazhassi Raja' I had guessed in my review that 'adi ushas sandhya' and 'alamadangamanam' were probably written first and Raja tuned for the written lyrics. During the ONV incident it became clear that 'adiushas' was indeed written first and then tuned. I came to know that my suspicion about 'alamadanganam' has also turned out to be true!! So I am happy. But listen to how Raja says that he moved the 'la illaha illallah' part from the being to ending of the pallavi and the effect it has. My question to anyone questioning Raja's ego is: Can a person who tuned 'alamadangamam' not feel proud about it? !!! (I mean, when someone is IT industry writes a program to reverse a string properly he goes around telling everyone and tweeting for all the world to know.) I think it is personally reasonable for a composer to feel proud and happy about his composition. Humility be damned.

3. I can understand Raja's real concern that no major instrumentalist is around today. Everyone wants to play the keyboard. SPB laments about this in almost every episode of the singing competition he does for various channels. So Raja is not alone in saying it. It is just that he is more trenchant in saying it but do look at the past episodes of SPB's programs. You can see that what Raja has said is very very true. sloshed talks about West being 'under seige' from Indian instrumentalists. I would love to know their names. Especially the South Indian instrumentalists.

4. People have to understand that the offhand remark about keyboard players was made with Yuvan besides him. Here, Raja was speaking as a music critic and he didn't mind if his own son were to tarred with the same brush. Now, that is whom I would call a honest critic. You can get away from this problem by being humble but Raja is first and foremost a great artist who has a mind of his own and he speaks his mind.

5. Raja can never compose the music he does were he to be a different and humble person. Let us leave the humility with the next generation like Rahman, Harris, YSR etc. They still have a long long way to go before they can catch up with Raja's musical output or his genius. Till then their humility will serve them good.

venkkiram
18th September 2010, 01:08 AM
manasa thethikonga. ennikkaavadhu oru naal andha manushan thimirellaam poayee - ellaarum nalla meesik podaraanga. ovvoru studiolayum naadhaswaram, veenai, thavil, flute, goattu vaadhiyam, parai appdinnu vidha vidhamaana vaadhiyangaLai kalakkalaa vaasikkara aatkal neranju irukkaanga - enakku dhaan kannu theriyalai, kaadhu kekkalainnu ungalukku pidichcha unmaigalai avar solvaar. Adhu varai poru maname.சில வருடங்களுக்கு முன்பு வெளியான ஒரு வீடியோ ஒன்றில் ( மயிலு படத்தின் பின்னணி இசைத் தொகுப்பு) ராஜா "இப்ப உள்ள இசை அமைப்பாளர்கள் எல்லாம் நல்லா வாசிக்கிறாங்க!" எனப் புகழ்ந்ததை பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். அப்ப எனக்கு உடனே மனதில் தோன்றியது "இது என்ன ராஜாவின் வஞ்சப் புகழ்ச்சி அணியா?"

Sanjeevi
18th September 2010, 01:22 AM
I have always wondered why this Man with all his extraordinary talent did not get his due recognition worldwide. Now Im convinced that there is a basic simple reason for it. I wonder how he will put others down if he had to get an Oscar.

The audacity to show him instrumentalists!! when the western world is still under seige with some on fantastic instrumentalists from India.

Shabbaaa ..cant even imagine the tone of the interview.

Havent seen one interview where he does not say " Music is in my blood. It like breath to Me" !! and offcourse how bad are people's taste has gone down. and he is not alone, I have seen some of his fans here come and tell how mediocre other MD's are (trip to kerala does this to people I guess) ..Why cant anyone understand people's taste varies. Never underestimate the power of the people.. Maybe thats where ARR stands apart. His humility is humbling!!

Just as Raja is given freedom to express his thoughts, so am I. I cannot separate the man from his music. Maybe some of you can. Raja to me is more than just another musician whose music runs in my car. I am more hurt than anything.

manasa thethikonga. ennikkaavadhu oru naal andha manushan thimirellaam poayee - ellaarum nalla meesik podaraanga. ovvoru studiolayum naadhaswaram, veenai, thavil, flute, goattu vaadhiyam, parai appdinnu vidha vidhamaana vaadhiyangaLai kalakkalaa vaasikkara aatkal neranju irukkaanga - enakku dhaan kannu theriyalai, kaadhu kekkalainnu ungalukku pidichcha unmaigalai avar solvaar. Adhu varai poru maname.

:rotfl:

pure nakkal :thumbsup:

appushiva
18th September 2010, 01:31 AM
:2thumbsup:

Good writing Mr.Suresh. Hope we follow IR sir in this perspective.

Thanks

Sanjeevi
18th September 2010, 01:37 AM
@Suresh65 and @nitu_krishnan,
appa Raja fans kannungala pinnureengalappa pinnureenga :thumbsup:



I have always wondered why this Man with all his extraordinary talent did not get his due recognition worldwide. .
simple ! Oscar does not deserve to be in the hands of this genius..sounds too much..it is too much like his music..

app_engine
18th September 2010, 01:54 AM
Sureshji,
Nice post on the video.

In my first post on this, me too commented specifically about his praises for HH - surprisingly more than normal by his standards and thoroughly enjoyable.

I brushed aside the other part as 'regular stuff that we often hear' :-)

I agree totally to your comparison on SPB interviews, I've recently read in thendRal (gave the link in the hub as well) where he had similar expressions about current music / singers.

Fortunately for him, he is regarded as the "nicest guy" in the net and gets away with all such remarks :-)

app_engine
18th September 2010, 01:57 AM
Another thing, being a focused man, all his unprompted talking was about PR - the point in context and what should be talked about.

It was certain questions from mikewalAs that led him to digress :-) You get what you ask for :-) Possibly the media wanted such aval.

nitu_krishnan
18th September 2010, 02:01 AM
IR biggest advantage : is the fact that he is a film composer...He has touched milions of souls and even a layman in TN listens to gr8 compositions..where else would we go for such orchestrations...?

IR biggest disadvantage : is the same fact that he is a film MD. he has not received his due recognition and respect for the same. Even kathukuttis write about his music like a medhavi. Had he been a vidwan or a classical musician or an instumentalist ...would anyone dare to comment....

appushiva
18th September 2010, 02:07 AM
:huh:

Ilaiyaraaja to be conferred Akshaya Samman 2010 .

http://www.indiareport.com/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/900505/National/1/20/1[url]

Honestly I never expected that i will be throwing one more party so early...........

I am feeling that somebody is working to clear thier total guilt !

Any way i am happy the way i am...

Regards,

jaiganes
18th September 2010, 02:10 AM
I totally agree with Raja's comments on instrumental player and current music scene. I was watching an interview of Anandji shah (Kalyanji anandji) in TV Asia - where he speaks about the music scene of 60s and 70s. The prominent feature of all that talk is the way singers, composers, conductors and the instrumental players collaborated and contributed to the song in an organic "face to face" way. He recalled an instance involving mukesh singing for a manoj kumar movie (shot abroad) where the decision to have just one sarod, tabela and flute plus voice of mukesh and how that song was done. A lot of recollections of the nature of great singers and instrument players.
Just looking at the awe in which Raaja recollects the days of playing guitar alongside some legends (names we may never know or care about), it shows how much he has seen it and where it is right now (when Puru says that there are studios where not even 3 ppl can sit) - Instead of taking personal potshots on Raaja, I wish Music Directors take note of the salient points and act on it.
Ofcourse Raaja detractors and "Humility maniacs" will not miss one opportunity to speak of himalayan ego of Raaja. BTW engalukkum konjam Entertainment (of this type) appappo venum.

krish244
18th September 2010, 09:10 AM
:huh:

Ilaiyaraaja to be conferred Akshaya Samman 2010 .

http://www.indiareport.com/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/900505/National/1/20/1[url]

Honestly I never expected that i will be throwing one more party so early...........

I am feeling that somebody is working to clear thier total guilt !

Any way i am happy the way i am...

Regards,

Same news here.

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4395503

thanks,

Krishnan

Plum
18th September 2010, 09:56 AM
As a prominent musician of our times, IR should express his views. Accept it or don't. But don't deny him the right to express. Imo, he has a point. It is not about how well you do what you have been taught.

Totally agreed! Just that i felt the ocassion was not right! Its a happy occassion. it would have been nice if he just chilled out and elaborated on positive aspects. I know he was asked to comment on it, by journos, but then... whats the point of talking about negative things on a festival? :)
or may I am too bored listening to him talk about same issue over and over, since few years.

Raagas, on a previous festive occasion he said something like "why are you asking this? Why should I comment on this" and was beaten up for it, too. Heads you win, tails he loses :)

It seems to me the only acceptable way to handle such questions is "yes, it is nice. All's rosy. The world is beautiful. Everything is the best". What a loss that woud be if we restrict all our deep thinkers to such platitudes!

baroque
18th September 2010, 11:00 AM
I completely second you. I wont say that the sanctity of treating raagas(not me, but raagams ;) ) .....

raagams...raagas... :)

mmm..
just this evening I was enjoying veena Gayathri's ethereal strings for Susheela solo...Sugamo aayiram......
there is a wordplay by the lyricist Panju Arunachalam
enai neeyum, unai naanum
unarndhaalae adhu podhum
adhuthaane panbhadu(பண்பாடு)
adhai naalum pann paadu(பண் பாடு )
thanks. :)

anyway..
even this weekend there are two high profile concerts in our area- San jose.
Grammy Winner Pt. Vishwa Mohan Bhatt concert.
There is a violin duet by Kanyakumari and Embar Kannan.

vinatha.

sudhakarg
18th September 2010, 12:51 PM
I liked the honest / straight talk of Raja. As always, he does not care to be politically correct and deviates from the norms of a sycophantic Tamil film industry speech! I'm sure as someone who is drenched in music, he can easily see the changing values in people using musical instruments & classical music. The man has been living music and is a lot closer to reality. As one hubber put it, he may not articulate his thoughts as calmly as SPB. He is always known for not sugar coating his words. I only wish people take note of the key message and forget the occasion & tone/choice of words.

Bala (Karthik)
18th September 2010, 12:54 PM
5. Raja can never compose the music he does were he to be a different and humble person
Nachu!

rajasaranam
18th September 2010, 01:33 PM
Suresh,

What a Postji! :)

Sloshed,

why cant you be humble instead of asking Raaja to be?

rajasaranam
18th September 2010, 01:55 PM
Another Akshay Samman Report: http://www.orissadiary.com/ShowEntertainmentNews.asp?id=21285

rajasaranam
18th September 2010, 02:09 PM
I would love to know their names. Especially the South Indian instrumentalists.

Now this is the Challenge to all detractors here. dont come up with names like 'Guitar Prasanna', 'Mandolin Srinivas', 'Flute Navin' and the likes who are already well known and those whom Raaja also knows and had collaborated with.

The underlying emotion of Raaja's question was to know how many of the 'Current' Generation people are really interested in 'Instrumental' Music, apart from 'Keyboard'.

Post Rahmans success there is a Tendency for the GenX to learn Keyboard rather than real instruments. (Not to pull down ARR, this is an observation of the state of affairs where the crowd goes behind Success/Trend. Keyboard Padicha ellam Rahman aayida mudiyuma enna?!!) The pathetic state can be obsereved in all music schools in TN. Even the music teachers reccommend 'Keyboard'.

PS:Even my son has joined a Keyboard class rather than learning a REAL Instrument. I had advised him to learn guitar/violin once he is through with the Basics of WCM. Lemme see :)

par
18th September 2010, 03:20 PM
Now, with AR Rahman's KM Music Conservatory in place, one may hope the situation will only improve. It will be fitting that he is correcting the wrong he unintentionally did.

Sanjeevi
18th September 2010, 03:32 PM
The underlying emotion of Raaja's question was to know how many of the 'Current' Generation people are really interested in 'Instrumental' Music, apart from 'Keyboard'.


:exactly:

even i am thinking the same. ofcourse Raja's speech made me to think about this. And what will be future of artists of natural music intruments and recognitions for them? :shaking:

kameshratnam
18th September 2010, 03:57 PM
Genius IR...Why dont u release your symphony right now and call young people and play the parts and explain the beauty of the same.

What IR says about current day music and md's is like the middle class sitting at home and cribbing politics is dirt and the system has to be made proper..Go to musee musicals and please see how many people have passed guitar and piano grades....ask the landmark cashier how many western cds sell...they count has increased

Sanjeevi
18th September 2010, 04:04 PM
Genius IR...Why dont u release your symphony right now and call young people and play the parts and explain the beauty of the same.

What IR says about current day music and md's is like the middle class sitting at home and cribbing politics is dirt and the system has to be made proper..Go to musee musicals and please see how many people have passed guitar and piano grades....ask the landmark cashier how many western cds sell...they count has increased

What is your point? even IR said the same in this interview directly or indirectly. Though his words are not clear in general IMO he wanted to say "please appreciate natural instrumentalists"

Sureshs65
18th September 2010, 06:13 PM
Now, with AR Rahman's KM Music Conservatory in place, one may hope the situation will only improve. It will be fitting that he is correcting the wrong he unintentionally did.

Honestly I don't think Rahman did anything wrong here, either intentionally or unintentionally. I would think it is just a natural progression (or regression. Depends on whom you ask :) This has already happened in the western pop world and it was only a matter of time before it came in Indian Film Music. That it came through Rahman is only incidental. Otherwise it would have come through someone else. This is how things have progressed technologically and that march cannot be stopped. As I said, Raja understands this far better than us and therefore his crib.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
18th September 2010, 07:13 PM
ராஜா மற்றவர்களின் ரசனையை மதிக்காமல் அகம்பாவத்தோடு பேசுகிறார் என்று இந்த முறையும் குற்றம் சுமத்துபவர்கள் ஒரு விஷயத்தை கவனிக்க வேண்டும், ராஜா தற்கால இசையமைப்பாளர்களை பற்றி அவ்வாறு பேசினார். அவருடன் முழுக்க முழுக்க அந்த பேட்டியில் அவருக்குப்பின் யவன் நின்றிருந்தார், தந்தை பேசுவதை அமைதியாக கேட்டுக்கொண்டிருந்தார். ராஜா நிச்சயம் தன மகன்களை மட்டும் தவிர்த்துவிட்டு இந்த குற்றச்சாட்டை சொல்லவில்லை. அவர்களையும் சேர்த்து தான் சொன்னார்.

இதுவரை, iதன மகன்களை அவர் தன வாரிசு என்று சொல்லி பீற்றிக்கொள்ளவும் இல்லை.

அதே சமயம், ரஹ்மான் நிச்சயம் இந்திய கருவிகளை தேவையான அளவு பயன்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார் என்பது மறுக்கமுடியாத உண்மை. துறையில் ரிடையராகாமல் இருக்கும்போதே ஒரு கம்போசிங் நிகழ்ச்சியை நடத்தி புதியவர்களை ஊக்குவித்தது, உலகத்தரத்தில் ஒரு இசைப்பள்ளியை உருவாக்கி இன்றும் அதை வெற்றிகரமாக நடத்திக்கொண்டிருப்பது இப்படி அவர் உதாரனபுருஷனாய் இருப்பதும் மறுக்கமுடியாத உண்மை. இந்தியாவிலேயே தொழில்நுட்பத்தை முதன்முதலில் திரையிசையில் அவர் கொண்டுவந்தாலும் நிச்சயம் அவர் வெறும் எலெக்ட்ரானிக்ஸ் சிப் இசையமைப்பாளர் மட்டும் அல்ல அதையும் தாண்டியவர் என்று யாருக்கும் சொல்லி தெரியவேண்டியதில்லை. நம் மண்ணின் இசைக்கருவிகள், டியூனுக்கு முக்கியத்துவம் கொடுப்பது இவை எப்படி முக்கியமோ அதே அளவி தொழில்நுட்பமும் முக்கியம்.

venkkiram
18th September 2010, 07:41 PM
I would love to know their names. Especially the South Indian instrumentalists.

Now this is the Challenge to all detractors here. dont come up with names like 'Guitar Prasanna', 'Mandolin Srinivas', 'Flute Navin' and the likes who are already well known and those whom Raaja also knows and had collaborated with.

The underlying emotion of Raaja's question was to know how many of the 'Current' Generation people are really interested in 'Instrumental' Music, apart from 'Keyboard'. இருக்காங்க. நிறைய சொல்லலாம். நாதஸ்வரம் என எடுத்துக்கொண்டால் இஞ்சிக்குடி E.M.சுப்ரமணியன். சிருங்காரம் என்ற லால்குடி ஜெயராமன் இசையமைத்த படத்தில் மல்லாரி வாசித்திருக்கிறார்.

A.ANAND
18th September 2010, 07:46 PM
Keyboard Padicha ellam Rahman aayida mudiyuma enna?-RAJASARANAM

:yes: :exactly: but keyboad padichava ellam music composer aaga mudiyathu innu sollarathu ellam kattayam illa!verum technology music use panni isaiyil entha sigarathayum thoda mudiyathu!

only melody with technology!raja,rahmanum thanggal isai-yil athai thodarthu irukirargal! :D

inetk
18th September 2010, 08:17 PM
Baradwaj Rangan on Raja's National Award,
http://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/about-time/

"By carving out a brand-new category for best background score and by singling out Ilayaraja as its first recipient, the National Awards jury has recognised not only an auditory aspect of cinema long languishing in the shadows of the film song but also one of its greatest practitioners."

MelHarmony
18th September 2010, 08:59 PM
There is a strong belief in IR's mind (and also in his fans mind) about music which is not melodious, which is not created using native instruments, which does not have a soul in it etc. I recently found this below link in WWW. I hope some of you might have read.

http://www.messagestogod.com/blog/affirmation/the-effects-of-power-of-words/

Dr. Masaru Emoto also explains the effect of melodius music on water apart from good words. Researching whether this is true or not is my intent now.
As we all understand, IR's thought process is in the same line as Dr. Masaru Emoto given above.

When a creator in the truest sense like IR is asked about his feelings and his creations, by the press people "pounding for spice news" what he can say; I really dont know. If IR has collaborated say with 3 people on this music composing then he can talk about various incidents. His music is his own creation. and why he should not talk about the way he created? Whoever frowns at his lamenting must really expereince IR's scenario. We must do an own creation by ourselves without getting help from anybody and then if we are asked we will not talk about other's role because we will say simply "it is my own creation" and we love to explain to others and in many cases we will hide many data owing to the fear that others would copy.

In case of instruments, I do accept Rahman has used lot if Indian instruments too. Most of them were used in the North. I also agree that YSR is also not spared by IR in this topic and that proves that his talk is out of his heart. Dont undermean that by the term "human ego or headweight.

REMEMBER ONE THING. THE WORLD NOW IS VIRTUALLY SMALL. ANY CREATION AT ONE PLACE IS BOUND TO BE REPEATED OR COPIED OR BETTERED BY SOMEONE ELSE WITHIN A MATTER OF TIME. IN OLDEN DAYS THE CREATION WAS WITHIN THE CREATOR HIMSELF DUE TO LACK OF MEDIA.
I DREAD IMAGINING A SITUATION WHERE EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT IN TIME BETTERS OR COPIES OR IMITATES IR'S STYLE OF MUSIC; WILL THEN GO ON TO CREATE AN AVALANCHE OF SIMILAR TYPE OF MUSIC IN THE WORLD. REMEMBER THE BEATLES HAS DONE THAT FOR 'ROCK' STUFF IN 60s. THE WORLD IS BECOMING A COPY CAT....

THOUGH IN TERMS OF MELODIOUS MUSIC THIS IS GOOD, THE FRESHNESS WILL REDUCE FOR SURE IF THIS HAPPENS!


ராஜா மற்றவர்களின் ரசனையை மதிக்காமல் அகம்பாவத்தோடு பேசுகிறார் என்று இந்த முறையும் குற்றம் சுமத்துபவர்கள் ஒரு விஷயத்தை கவனிக்க வேண்டும், ராஜா தற்கால இசையமைப்பாளர்களை பற்றி அவ்வாறு பேசினார். அவருடன் முழுக்க முழுக்க அந்த பேட்டியில் அவருக்குப்பின் யவன் நின்றிருந்தார், தந்தை பேசுவதை அமைதியாக கேட்டுக்கொண்டிருந்தார். ராஜா நிச்சயம் தன மகன்களை மட்டும் தவிர்த்துவிட்டு இந்த குற்றச்சாட்டை சொல்லவில்லை. அவர்களையும் சேர்த்து தான் சொன்னார்.

இதுவரை, iதன மகன்களை அவர் தன வாரிசு என்று சொல்லி பீற்றிக்கொள்ளவும் இல்லை.

அதே சமயம், ரஹ்மான் நிச்சயம் இந்திய கருவிகளை தேவையான அளவு பயன்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார் என்பது மறுக்கமுடியாத உண்மை. துறையில் ரிடையராகாமல் இருக்கும்போதே ஒரு கம்போசிங் நிகழ்ச்சியை நடத்தி புதியவர்களை ஊக்குவித்தது, உலகத்தரத்தில் ஒரு இசைப்பள்ளியை உருவாக்கி இன்றும் அதை வெற்றிகரமாக நடத்திக்கொண்டிருப்பது இப்படி அவர் உதாரனபுருஷனாய் இருப்பதும் மறுக்கமுடியாத உண்மை. இந்தியாவிலேயே தொழில்நுட்பத்தை முதன்முதலில் திரையிசையில் அவர் கொண்டுவந்தாலும் நிச்சயம் அவர் வெறும் எலெக்ட்ரானிக்ஸ் சிப் இசையமைப்பாளர் மட்டும் அல்ல அதையும் தாண்டியவர் என்று யாருக்கும் சொல்லி தெரியவேண்டியதில்லை. நம் மண்ணின் இசைக்கருவிகள், டியூனுக்கு முக்கியத்துவம் கொடுப்பது இவை எப்படி முக்கியமோ அதே அளவி தொழில்நுட்பமும் முக்கியம்.

raj_musing
18th September 2010, 09:10 PM
5. Raja can never compose the music he does were he to be a different and humble person. Let us leave the humility with the next generation like Rahman, Harris, YSR etc. They still have a long long way to go before they can catch up with Raja's musical output or his genius. Till then their humility will serve them good.

Well said Suresh! :clap:

kameshratnam
18th September 2010, 10:16 PM
I guess there is no pt in bringin my points about IR the human...i love his music and it all stops there...Period

Plum
18th September 2010, 10:27 PM
By being patronising on IR's character, you are just exposing your character.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
18th September 2010, 10:55 PM
http://radiospathy.blogspot.com/2010/09/300.html

Pazhasiraja BGM

nitu_krishnan
18th September 2010, 11:39 PM
Coming to the current trend , there is a forced adaptation of rock and rapp style in Orchestration and Singing. Orchestration is fine. But singing ? Its feel so sick to hear tamil words being twisted and given a constipation effect . To me they sound like cheap,imitated or pseudo versions of English rock songs. If foreighners listen to our music they might assume that we dont have a style of our own or there are no composers capable of it . I do hear people screaming that new MDs spread tamil music and Indian Music by westernising them. Crap....... Sounds as though Australians, Europeans and Americans have given up their music and stacked their shelves with our stuff and MacDonalds, Fiesta, krogers, tacobells and wallmarts, JC pennys are reverberating with our songs . Give me a break........they do not spread our music abroad. They rather spread Rock in TN and India..If a lay woman like me can see lot of vacuum and void in present day music...As a composer who has given himself to music, his frustration is justified...I myself can't digest the so called "revolutionised" film music, when IR and MSV are very much alive...

rajasaranam
19th September 2010, 01:01 AM
Baradwaj Rangan on Raja's National Award,
http://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/about-time/

"By carving out a brand-new category for best background score and by singling out Ilayaraja as its first recipient, the National Awards jury has recognised not only an auditory aspect of cinema long languishing in the shadows of the film song but also one of its greatest practitioners."

Where is your Piece :)

teja
19th September 2010, 02:39 AM
@Sureshs65 Extremely well written!

It just seems like a couple of people here are more interested in carrying out a smear campaign against IR, more than anything else. They are too busy tagging IR with 'arrogance' label, every time he opens his mouth. Some of them went even a step ahead and suggested what words IR should be using in his speech, which is totally absurd and presumptuous. If any one is arrogant here, it's these people, not IR.

These whiners can suggest how IR should be speaking at press meets, and that's not considered arrogant, but if IR, being a composer, makes a couple of suggestions/remarks on music, then that's considered arrogance! Heights of hypocrisy.

prashanth12
19th September 2010, 02:53 AM
nitu_krishnan,

Agree with your post 100%. Nothing is more pathetic than when a culture with a strong tradition of music voluntarily throws it aside for cheap imitation.

The sad part is we are no longer imitating the good side of Western music (like their classical tradition, which you can see influence of in IR's music), but instead the garbage like rock/rap....

Fact is, IR's comments are spot on....as for arrogance...Ramanujan's mentor Hardy once said "Humble men do not do great work". The question of a person's importance is completely unrelated to whether you want to have dinner with him or not....

genesis
19th September 2010, 04:26 AM
There is a strong belief in IR's mind (and also in his fans mind) about music which is not melodious, which is not created using native instruments, which does not have a soul in it etc.

As we all know IR got the national award for best BGM. On the other side, Amit Trivedi has been given the best MD for DevD. How may IR fans here are able to like DevD's music? or even accept it as music? How many are able to say they like "Emotional Atyachar" and "Kunnathae"?

app_engine
19th September 2010, 05:45 AM
genesis,
உங்களுக்கே இந்தக்கேள்வி காமெடியாப்படலையா?

தமிழர்கள் எந்தக்காலத்துல இந்திப்பாட்டெல்லாம் தேடிப்பிடிச்சுக்கேட்டிருக்கோம்? அதெல்லாம் எழுபதுகளோட முடிஞ்சதல்லவா?

எமோஷனல் அத்யாச்சார் லிங்க் குடுங்க சார், கேட்டுப்பாத்துட்டு சொல்றேன் :-)

jaiganes
19th September 2010, 06:56 AM
There is a strong belief in IR's mind (and also in his fans mind) about music which is not melodious, which is not created using native instruments, which does not have a soul in it etc.

As we all know IR got the national award for best BGM. On the other side, Amit Trivedi has been given the best MD for DevD. How may IR fans here are able to like DevD's music? or even accept it as music? How many are able to say they like "Emotional Atyachar" and "Kunnathae"?
I like paayaliya, saali khushi, yeh duniya, nahi karna pyaar, yehi meri zindagi. pardesi songs from DevD. I feel the NA committee have done the right thing by rewarding Amit. He might not exactly be of Raaja style, but he is original, innovative and highly talented. His work in DevD is also highly praiseworthy. Now If you think the NA was given becoz of Emosanal Atyaachar, then that pretty much sums up how u rate DevD's music. I can only say that Sindhu bhairavi was awarded not just because of "Thanni thotti thedi vandha" .

natha1729
19th September 2010, 09:20 AM
Baradwaj Ranjan is the film composer, right? What an insight and a literary presentation, one of the best I've ever read. Great

Plum
19th September 2010, 09:43 AM
Rangan might have written great but nothing as insightful, informative or enlightening as your posts, natha. nothing

Sureshs65
19th September 2010, 12:12 PM
genesis,

app_eng has a point there. Not everyone listens to all forms of music or to music of all languages. For example, last year a Shantanu Moitra won the best MD for a Bengali film. How many would have heard it, Raja fans or otherwise?

I have listened to DevD and like its music. Whether it is better than 'PazhassiRaja' or not is a matter of taste. Jai feels it is the perfect fit in the movie and deserves the award. Musically I am more inclined towards 'PazhassiRaja' but not having seen either of the movies, I will take Jai's word for it. 'Dev D' is a nice score, no doubt about it but to expect all Raja fans to hear it is probably stretching it a bit too far.

AravindMano
19th September 2010, 01:03 PM
For example, last year a Shantanu Moitra won the best MD for a Bengali film. How many would have heard it, Raja fans or otherwise?


Dig - Only the film won. (Antaheen) Lovely film. And lovely songs too. Still a regular in my playlist. Strongly recommend them.

Sureshs65
19th September 2010, 01:37 PM
genesis,

The other problem with such an approach is that we are not demanding the reverse. You are not asking Amit Trivedi fans if they have heard 'Pazhassi Raja' and if they can appreciate 'kunnathe' as much as 'payaliya'. I can assure you more Raja fans would have heard 'Dev D' than the other way around!!

Punnaimaran
19th September 2010, 06:00 PM
The maestro has spoken out his mind and he has a right to have his opinion. Also he has the guts to air his reservations whenever asked by the press about it. The journos put forth these questions to him only because he is qualified enough to comment on them. And of course there are some magazines looking for some "aval"(in app_eng's words). He has seen better days of 'composing' music than anyone around us here.

I feel thankful to him for the music he has given me all these years.

Bala (Karthik)
19th September 2010, 10:44 PM
Coming to the current trend , there is a forced adaptation of rock and rapp style in Orchestration and Singing. Orchestration is fine. But singing ? Its feel so sick to hear tamil words being twisted and given a constipation effect .
Agree!

nitu_krishnan
19th September 2010, 10:51 PM
Coming to the current trend , there is a forced adaptation of rock and rapp style in Orchestration and Singing. Orchestration is fine. But singing ? Its feel so sick to hear tamil words being twisted and given a constipation effect .
Agree!

sounds like someone is strangling their necks while singing....

nitu_krishnan
19th September 2010, 11:26 PM
Not one word of what IR said was wrong. just spoke from the depths of his heart about MUSIC. he even said "I mechanically write notes and it just fits with the frames. How it fits ...I dont know ..only goddess saraswathy knows. If I say I know what I am writing ..then I am a fool". he doesnt even take the credit ...There were so many important points he said. But Ignoring all the other points why harp on the last two lines that was said at the fag end of the interview.

Few people can see only the BLACK DOT in a plain white sheet..

genesis
20th September 2010, 12:02 AM
genesis,

app_eng has a point there. Not everyone listens to all forms of music or to music of all languages. For example, last year a Shantanu Moitra won the best MD for a Bengali film. How many would have heard it, Raja fans or otherwise?

I have listened to DevD and like its music. Whether it is better than 'PazhassiRaja' or not is a matter of taste. Jai feels it is the perfect fit in the movie and deserves the award. Musically I am more inclined towards 'PazhassiRaja' but not having seen either of the movies, I will take Jai's word for it. 'Dev D' is a nice score, no doubt about it but to expect all Raja fans to hear it is probably stretching it a bit too far.

You both missed my point here. I did not ask whether IR fans have listened to DevD. My question was how many are able to accept it and like it?

app, listen to emotional atyachar here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvRYVorzgUk. You can find all DevD songs in youtube.


I have listened to DevD and like its music. Whether it is better than 'PazhassiRaja' or not is a matter of taste.

Suresh - I agree. It is a matter of taste. But isn't that what is being criticized by many IR fans here? (different form of music or new types of music in spite of them being liked by many). IMHO, many IR fans have here become hard core conservatives.

prashanth12
20th September 2010, 12:05 AM
No shame in being a hardcore conservative if it is something that is worth conserving.

P.S. The video genesis posted is the first time I'm hearing it. And I can't say I found anything worthwhile about it.

MelHarmony
20th September 2010, 03:07 AM
Dev D though is a good attempt still falls under the programmed music category. There is so much void in BWood that there is no quality MDs for a very long time. Probably DevD has given something for them to cheer in temrs of Lyrics+music; it is by no means great music to be given national award. Our Deva has done better music. One song even almost resembles his song in a tamil film. If people who has listened to Himesh's music DevD wont be grossly different. infact when Himesh came on to the seen he created waves like this. In BWood if the music is not foot tapping it wont sell. Taste in BWood need not be the taste of the nation.
This is my humble opinion; not to hurt anybody.






genesis,

app_eng has a point there. Not everyone listens to all forms of music or to music of all languages. For example, last year a Shantanu Moitra won the best MD for a Bengali film. How many would have heard it, Raja fans or otherwise?

I have listened to DevD and like its music. Whether it is better than 'PazhassiRaja' or not is a matter of taste. Jai feels it is the perfect fit in the movie and deserves the award. Musically I am more inclined towards 'PazhassiRaja' but not having seen either of the movies, I will take Jai's word for it. 'Dev D' is a nice score, no doubt about it but to expect all Raja fans to hear it is probably stretching it a bit too far.

You both missed my point here. I did not ask whether IR fans have listened to DevD. My question was how many are able to accept it and like it?

app, listen to emotional atyachar here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvRYVorzgUk. You can find all DevD songs in youtube.


I have listened to DevD and like its music. Whether it is better than 'PazhassiRaja' or not is a matter of taste.

Suresh - I agree. It is a matter of taste. But isn't that what is being criticized by many IR fans here? (different form of music or new types of music in spite of them being liked by many). IMHO, many IR fans have here become hard core conservatives.

Bala (Karthik)
20th September 2010, 03:30 AM
Dev D though is a good attempt still falls under the programmed music category. There is so much void in BWood that there is no quality MDs for a very long time. Probably DevD has given something for them to cheer in temrs of Lyrics+music; it is by no means great music to be given national award. Our Deva has done better music. One song even almost resembles his song in a tamil film. If people who has listened to Himesh's music DevD wont be grossly different. infact when Himesh came on to the seen he created waves like this. In BWood if the music is not foot tapping it wont sell. Taste in BWood need not be the taste of the nation.
This is my humble opinion; not to hurt anybody.

Is there another DevD and another Amit Trivedi (different from the NA winning album/MD) in a parallel universe unknown to mortals like me?

genesis
20th September 2010, 09:44 AM
No shame in being a hardcore conservative if it is something that is worth conserving.

All conservatives in the world think the same. Remember Mahakavi Bharathi? He broke the conventions. As we know today the conservatives of his time opposed him and despised him.

IR was breaking conventions when he started in the 1970s!! He does not want young MDs to do it? Thats not fair. It is for the people to judge whether they like new music or not!!

பழமை பழமை என்று பாவனை பேசலன்றிப் பழமை இருந்த நிலை-கிளியே, பாமரர் ஏதறிவார்!!

MADDY
20th September 2010, 10:09 AM
Our Deva has done better music.

:clap: :exactly: Amit.T does programmed music and he shouldnt be called a composer

prashanth12
20th September 2010, 10:11 AM
There is a difference between valuing conventions just because you are used to them, versus valuing conventions because you believe they are valuable and worth preserving. The Bharathi comparison does not fit.

I don't think is merely a matter of traditionalists being afraid of new styles. It's about questioning the intrinsic worth of what was produced before and what is produced now and there are people (like, it seems, IR) who have the honestly held belief that it is going downhill.

As for the people judging....The inventor of the automobile once said that if he had asked his customers what they wanted...they would have said "faster horses".

Sureshs65
20th September 2010, 10:35 AM
genesis,

You did not answer my other question. How many hard core Amit Trivedi fan's do you think will like 'kunnathe'. Or even will be willing to listen to it? Equal to the number of IR fans criticizing new MDs, there have been fans of new MDs who think IR used only tabla, IR is not 'modern' enough, IR does not know how to use guitars (I am not joking. Someone wrote that!!!) etc. The truth is prejudices are universal. You are only looking at one side prejudice. I am saying that prejudice exist on the other side and all sides. To be very honest, my personal feeling is that many hard core IR fans here have been appreciative of Amit Trivedi's music in DevD and have stated that here. Jai is a good example. At the same time I have not seen even one fan of the modern MDs coming here to praise 'kunnathe' or 'adi ushas'. While I understand your point of view, all I am saying is apply that criteria to everyone and you will surprised to see that a high percentage of 'non-conservatives' fans are Raja fans!!!

Sureshs65
20th September 2010, 10:39 AM
prasanth12,

Wonderfully put. The key phrase is what you have stated, "It's about questioning the intrinsic worth of what was produced before and what is produced now.."

njv
20th September 2010, 04:00 PM
DevD is a good album, songs made for the movie, a rarity in bollywood. It's not the usual pyar...dil song.

Award committee finally got guts to recognize a non period or low budget movie.

They announced in march about BGM award, but failed to clearly separate this in their press releases. Even IR think that he is sharing the award with another person. (I hear someone saying "idellaam awardla sagajamayya").

Plum
20th September 2010, 04:29 PM
Our Deva has done better music.

:clap: :exactly: Amit.T does programmed music and he shouldnt be called a composer
[With no Offence to Deva fans]
Deva does music programmes*. He shouldnt be called a composer :-)
[/With no Offence to Deva fans]

* Deva used to do Light Music Katcheris as livelihood before becoming a MD. Some would say he continued to do that even after becoming MD, although that would be inaccurate and unjust - he has some (so far considered and hopefully it is true) original stuff amidst all copied ones.
** Dev D definitely >>> Deva stuff. I think genesis damaged Amit Trivedi's name here by dragging him in as some sort of straw man to bash up Raja. Certainly, this violent a reaction to Amit T is not needed, though, genesis or no genesis.

jaiganes
20th September 2010, 06:26 PM
@genesis - summa irukaravangala nondi vuttu kadupetharadhula uLLA sogam njaanum ariyam.
Continue.

one small point to be noted - IR broke a few conventions to introduce something new and worthwhile.
Now he is the only guy doing it differently, everyone else is doing programmed music bar by bar. so pudhumainnu paatha, differentnu paartha - still adhu Raasa dhaan.

BTW pudhumainnu sonna BharathiyE "yaamarindha pulavarile valluvar poal ilango poaal boomi dhanil" apdinnu pazhaya aatkalukku thaan spotlight thandhaar. pazhamayai azhithu pudhumai penal, ammavai thorathittu office friendukku party vechaapla irukku.

NormalMan
20th September 2010, 06:49 PM
genesis,

You did not answer my other question. How many hard core Amit Trivedi fan's do you think will like 'kunnathe'. Or even will be willing to listen to it?

Suresh - I have and love it !! Dev D is one of those rare gem albums. Oscars kind of eclipsed it and I'm very glad its getting its due recognition. Pls let's not pull Dev D / Amit.T down to elevate IR.

app_engine
20th September 2010, 07:00 PM
Pls let's not pull Dev D / Amit.T down to elevate IR.

As you can see from Sureshji's posts, you'll definitely agree that his intention has never been that!

I don't think any regular hubber even wants to discuss Amit Trivedi in this forum :-) There's an IF forum where AT owns a thread and it's appropriate he gets his accolades there!

This is an IR forum and before genesis brought it, nobody was cribbing about DevD getting award for Songs (or IR not getting for it even).

People were generally happy about IR getting NA for BGM (though the overall credibility of NAs themselves is highly questionable due to poor track record over the years). There were also some discussions about his interview (aval) to the media.

I don't think merits / greatness of DevD / Amit T warrants a discussion in this IR thread unless there is something remotely connecting the maestro with it :-)

app_engine
20th September 2010, 07:40 PM
There was news sometime back that Trinity college is conducting a program to honor celebrities who studied with them - IR / HJ were names in that.

However, there was no report on the actual program at all.

Now this news (http://expressbuzz.com/cities/bangalore/fir-filed-against-violinist-to-close-case/207853.html) proves that there was indeed a function, though the news itself is something in the crime section :-(



Bhagya had accused Dr Subramaniam of trying to rape her and molest her on September 1. She made the complaint after a theft case was filed against her by the violinist a few days before that.

Police said records stated that Subramaniam on that particular day had left for Chennai in the morning by a Kingfisher Flight at 7.30 am.

He participated at a felicitation prorgamme in the London College of Music Examinations in Chennai, along with music director Ilayaraja.

He returned to Bangalore the same day at 7 pm by a Jet Airways flight, police said.

jaiganes
20th September 2010, 08:48 PM
genesis,

You did not answer my other question. How many hard core Amit Trivedi fan's do you think will like 'kunnathe'. Or even will be willing to listen to it?

Suresh - I have and love it !! Dev D is one of those rare gem albums. Oscars kind of eclipsed it and I'm very glad its getting its due recognition. Pls let's not pull Dev D / Amit.T down to elevate IR.
Neenga idhai genesisku chollanumnen.
annaar dhaan 1+1 =3 panna try pannitu irukaar.

nyways, Nayan Tarse from DevD is my fave number and Raaja has recreated something similar in Paa in "Kyon main uda thaa" rock version of "Mudi mudi" sung by Shaan. Though not fully loaded with angst and beats like "Nayan Tarse - it is comparable in the arrangement and I wouldnt be surprised to know Raaja listening keenly to Amit Trivedi. Another connection for Raaja and DevD would be the decision to use Shilpa Rao who sand in DevD in Paa for mudi mudi.

app_engine
20th September 2010, 09:30 PM
jaiganes,

Did your mail to Bala have effect? Looks like he didn't attend the meesic kritik (http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_20.html) function.

Sureshs65
20th September 2010, 09:39 PM
NormalMan,

As app_eng said, the idea is not to bring down Amit Trivedi. I have listened to Dev D and I have also put in my appreciation is some thread long back. So yes, let us not continue on the IR vs AT thread. Amit Trivedi did deserve the award. Period.

Regards to prejudices I feel there is a lot of prejudice against Raja in many places. Will soon post with some examples.

jaiganes
20th September 2010, 10:21 PM
jaiganes,

Did your mail to Bala have effect? Looks like he didn't attend the meesic kritik (http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post_20.html) function.
I am happy that he didnt. I am pissed off at JeMo's sappai kattu article defending his fellow malayali. That guy (Shaji) doesnt have any consistency and is blinded by personal bias. Even his writing is not his own, his research too is not original, yet a lengthy article from JeMo to support him was really too much.

Sureshs65
20th September 2010, 10:37 PM
app_eng / Jai,

Which Bala? What mail?

Fully agree about JeMo and Shaji. I could not proceed beyond the first few lines of that article. JeMo consistently claims he knows nothing about music but keeps writing about it regularly !!!! Shaji's articles are definitely not those of a critic. They are as good or bad as any other blog articles in this world wide web.

Saagar
20th September 2010, 10:44 PM
This would probably be a long wait, but it's probably the next best that we can look forward to (Gaadha):

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/article677749.ece.

app_engine
20th September 2010, 10:59 PM
app_eng / Jai,

Which Bala? What mail?


Please check page 69 (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=13913&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1020) of this thread :-)

irir123
20th September 2010, 11:34 PM
http://movies.rediff.com/report/2010/sep/20/south-ilaiyaraja-bio.htm

nitu_krishnan
20th September 2010, 11:38 PM
nitu_krishnan,

Agree with your post 100%. Nothing is more pathetic than when a culture with a strong tradition of music voluntarily throws it aside for cheap imitation.

The sad part is we are no longer imitating the good side of Western music (like their classical tradition, which you can see influence of in IR's music), but instead the garbage like rock/rap....

Fact is, IR's comments are spot on....as for arrogance...Ramanujan's mentor Hardy once said "Humble men do not do great work". The question of a person's importance is completely unrelated to whether you want to have dinner with him or not....

Yup...It would be nice if the adapt the pleasant genres of western music. But they adamantly stick to garbage and noisy versions...