IR's New albums - Ver 2008

[raja_fan]

Watched Therkkathi Ponnu.

The title score is overall nice. Starts beautifully, but i feel the charanam could have been better. Also the interludes is only percussion instrument, no violin etc..

BGM is NOT by IR :)

The title credits does not mention IR's name ! Just the title card mentions "Isaignani Ilaiyaraja"
I expected that BR will talk about coming back again to IR..

[kameshratnam]

Nothing impressive but for the fact that IR and BR have united again. Yes Raja Fan the charanam cud have been better.

[thumburu]

I concur with u guys regarding the title track of BR's "therkathi poNNu". Very pedestrian :(
Has IR lost it all?

[raja_fan]

thumburu,

Wait ! It is not so pedestrian :)
And it gorws on me on multiple hearings !

[raja_fan]

*grows*

[crvenky]

Can somebody upload the mp3 of Therkathi Ponnu & Namma Kudumbam title songs?

[rajaalltheway]

SATHYAN-IRs latest INNATHE CHINTHAVISHAYAM is definitely going to be the most remarkable and most talked about movie of recent times in kerala.Ayya has put his heart and soul into the BGM of this high quality movie.Sitting near TOM GEORGE,the young and upcoming director/producer i heard "if Jean Luc Godard made a comedy in malayalam combining his wit and indian melodrama thiss what youd' get".The rhythmic clapping from audience through out Manasiloru Poomala song made my evening the most enjoyable.The breezy tamil rustic beats that breeze scenes which are shot around Kambam-theni area shows how much Ayya enjoyed working for this movie.This movie will breath some life to the insipid and sagging career of Superstar Mohanlal...can hardly wait for SWAPNAMAALIKA soundtrack.SATHYAN-JAYARAM-AYYA combo movie put on hold may see light if this movie hits bulls eye

[krish244]

Digression

If anyone is interested in IR's old hindi albums, please visit "Sharing-IR's music-interviews-BgmClips- in web" thread.

End Digression

thanks,

Krishnan

[raja_fan]

Mr.Judge's post on Nandhalala in another thread



Finally Nandhalala is taking off. In this week's AV, Myskkin has spoken about the plot. It is about a 6 year child and 30 year guy looking for their respective moms and on their way they meet 32 people and how their lives are changed after the meets is the story. "padaththukku Ilaiyaraajavoda isai periya varamaa irukkum".

He has taken off his beard and looks very different from his earlier looks.

I hope Mysskin insists IR to use 95% manual orchestra with 5% synth and if he makes him to avoid tabla, that will be a treat.

[NormalMan]

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news-1/apr-08-03/nanditha-19-04-08.html

[krish244]

Same news (word to word) posted by NormalMan here as well. A new tamil children film by "Ammuvagiya Naan"'s director. The director is awaiting a positive response from IR.

http://www.tamilstar.com/news/publish/article_8170.shtml

thanks,

Krishnan

[app_engine]

http://entertainment.oneindia.in/malayalam/top-stories/2008/vishu-release-annan-thampi-210408.html

'innathE...' expected to be profitable.

[baroque]

I hope Mysskin insists IR to use 95% manual orchestra with 5% synth and if he makes him to avoid tabla, that will be a treat.



Avoid tabla or Use drums or Strum away guitar etc... not a rt approach.


Apt natural percussion with aesthetic tempo is the simple, rt, natural way CLASSY musicians approach.

Remember moham ennum ..... sindhu bhairavi with pauses, appadiye build pannuvaa emotions - What a BLISS or Speedy african(?) tholin mele..... or ENERGETIC vannilae thenila....Kakki Sattai or Enchanting katti vaichukko.....

Note, all the above mentioned songs have EXPRESSIVE singing along with charming, lively rhythmical - jathi construction.

[raja_fan]

EXPRESSIVE singing..

Correct-aa sonneenga ! Also, a tune flow with fluctuations, ghamakams etc. Not a plain throw of words..

I was hearing "Singari..pyari" from Adisaya piravi.. What an intelligent experimentation with echoes and rythm !! Ippo andha IR enge ponaar :(

[baroque]

ippo vara songs ley yengey ponaarunnu I don't know! :roll:

In this song, I found him.

:bluejump: :redjump: :clap: :swinghead:

With all his Sonic, Rhythmic gestures, HE IS HOT!!

In Vaanam yenna.... Vetri vizha with Call & Respond melody of Blues format, singers responding to each other, with chorus scat singing and rhythmic beats!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh62b-kxE2w

Does it adhere to 'BLUES NOTE' rule, I don't know! :) theory/format only I follow. Chord progression, I don't know! )


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues

[Sanjeevi]

Why you are guys again and again pointing IR using synths?

Didn't you like Akni Natchathram? didn't you like KM? didn't you like Ayiram Kodi song? Even the latest Shiva & Cheeni kum was good. So the problem is not with synth but with the mood, interests and involvement of IR.

[rooky]

As per Today's Dinakaran , Bala's next movie will star Kamal hassan and that Kamal will do this movie after Marmayogi. (must be in 2010 then).

I hope no one ask me why i have posted this here :)

[raja_fan]

rooky,

Appadi ellaam assume pannaadheenga :)
Edhuvum nadakkalaam.

[rooky]

Innathae declared as HIT.

http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14654474&cid=14625530

[kiru]

I hope Mysskin insists IR to use 95% manual orchestra with 5% synth and if he makes him to avoid tabla, that will be a treat.



Avoid tabla or Use drums or Strum away guitar etc... not a rt approach.


Apt natural percussion with aesthetic tempo is the simple, rt, natural way CLASSY musicians approach.

Remember moham ennum ..... sindhu bhairavi with pauses, appadiye build pannuvaa emotions - What a BLISS or Speedy african(?) tholin mele..... or ENERGETIC vannilae thenila....Kakki Sattai or Enchanting katti vaichukko.....

Note, all the above mentioned songs have EXPRESSIVE singing along with charming, lively rhythmical - jathi construction.

I know somebody would pick on this , as soon as I saw "avoid tabla" . In my case, I much rather prefer tabla to the synth (yes, listen to agni natchathiram now, the synth drums sound so silly).

Re: "Avoid tabla or Use drums or Strum away guitar etc... not a rt approach. "

I dont think I agree. If you used just percussion, it would be purely CLASSICAL (maybe CLASSY too) and especiallay indian CLASSICAL. I think even before Rahman, IR started relying heavily on bass guitar driven rhythms. He has done "piano songs" as well as "guitar songs" (this is how he or other MDs from that era refer to these songs).
My take is, the MD should not force himself one way or other. He should do whatever comes naturally to him.
Listen to 'oru kiLiyin thanimaiyile..." ..drums/bass driven pallavis, tabla in the charanams,but it is the bass that drives the rhythm..the tabla is there just for flavor..
Restricting to percussion accompaniment, completely precludes one genre of music called 'film music' or 'pop(ular) music' :-)

[baroque]

Nobody is asking Raaja to restrict to one genre of music!

Kiru,

kindly read the next line.

Apt natural percussion with aesthetic tempo is the simple, rt, natural way CLASSY musicians approach.


Let the apt percussion be traditional percussions like tabla or mirudhangam or drums etc.. or like in western classical music, string instruments like violin or guitar or combination of every thing.

Point is ATTRACTIVE LAYAM (rhythm with aesthetic tempo) including vishranti !


I have given some examples too.

Whatever....

pattu pudicha keppen, illainna bye bye :)


Vinatha.

[sgmsin]

ilayaraj's new kanadana movie name is "nannavaanu" love story has six songs.

[raja_fan]

IR is becoming a new Bermuda's triangle or black hole..

Movies never come out.
Still there is a long pending list..

Dhanam, Mayilu, KKP, Ajantha, Pazhassi Raja, Uliyin osai, SMS.........

[k_vanan]

naan kaduval :(

[kiru]

Let the apt percussion be traditional percussions like tabla or mirudhangam or drums etc.. or like in western classical music, string instruments like violin or guitar or combination of every thing.



Hi Vinatha..your new adddendum..clarifies your position..on the appropriate rhythm accompaniment for a song.




pattu pudicha keppen, illainna bye bye :)


Vinatha.

Ofcourse, I dont know of anybody who listens to songs they do not like :-)

[baroque]

Kiru,

I have given some random pattu examples too like mogam ennum...., tholin meley...., etc.. in my first posting. I did not deliberately miss out WC raaja pattu.

No need to tease, pudicha pattu dhaan yellarum keppa!
bye bye, Silly!

:)

[kiru]

Kiru,

I have given some random pattu examples too like mogam ennum...., tholin meley...., etc.. in my first posting. I did not deliberately miss out WC raaja pattu.

No need to tease, pudicha pattu dhaan yellarum keppa!
bye bye, Silly!

:)
Sorry, I hope you are not offended. All in good humor (see the smileys).

[baroque]

Offend yellam aagalai, Kiru! :)

[crvenky]

IR signs up another Tamil film: Ayyan

http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/26042008-1.shtml

[krish244]

On location of "Chal Chale" shooting. You can catch a little of a song picturisation. Sounds ok to me.

http://www.lehren.tv/videodetails.asp?id=3601&band=3&nosearch=true

Choose lower bandwidth if required.

thanks,

Krishnan

[raja_fan]

Amitabh-Abhishek-VidyaBalan in Balki's Pa !

http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14658672

[app_engine]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=410014&disdate=5/1/2008

Some update on pazhassi rAjA. I think it has become a fashion to talk in 10's of crores:-) Anyways, let's hope for some grand music / songs (I'm sure at least some will be semi-classicals, with good, traditional percussion arrangements!)

[irir123]

if they are using 200 British artistes, for months together, its not surprising that the budget is this high!

[krish244]

A new tamil film titled "Valmiki" to have music by IR.

http://www.tamilstar.com/news/publish/article_8619.shtml

thanks,

Krishnan

[vem]

the last line of the posting has the following line

'This film will have lilting music from Ilayaraja."

it is ironic that these media guys create so much expectation such as this just to finally see the movie finally shelved due to financial constraints.

other common hype given to IR's composing style is his speed with which he can come up with tunes. True though it may be, the variety part is certainly lacking these days.

Nonetheless, I am glad that IR still manages to cut a wide swathe whenever he signs for new movies.

[rajaalltheway]

Is Ayya scoring music for mohanlals next madambi?? also Mammootys yet to name biggie after annan thambi?? mallu production executives paying continous visits to Kalyanam sir including Madambi producer Joshy v.c

[rooky]

In today's Dinakaran (Bangalore edition), news about IR scoring for the Kannada movie "Nannavanu" is written very elaborately in the supplementary.

It says, "IR still follows his communist principles (of not doing things that he doesn't like) for accepting movies also.But for this movie, once he listened to the story, he agreed and given six songs for the movie.Four of the songs picturised already and two more to be shot in switzerland."

It also added, recently, IR declined to do a Mammooty movie as he was not happy with the script.Not sure which movie was quoted there.

[rooky]

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/article/38319.html

The last line is very interesting and nice to read..

"but the maestro's appeal, is such that what ever he tunes in for Mollywood, become hits here."

[raaja_rasigan]

கரிமேடு கருவாயன், எங்க ஊரு பாட்டுக்காரன், பெரிய வீட்டு பண்ணக்காரன், பாண்டிநாட்டு தங்கம், கும்பக்கரை தங்கையா, காதலுக்கு மரியாதை ஆகிய படங்களை தயாரித்தவர், சங்கிலி முருகன். இவர் தனது மீனாட்சி ஆர்ட்ஸ் சார்பில் ஒரு புதிய படம் தயாரிக்கிறார்.

இந்த படத்துக்கு, `அழகர் மலை' என்று பெயர் சூட்டப்பட்டு இருக்கிறது. ஆர்.கே. கதாநாயகனாக நடிக்கிறார். `தாமிரபரணி' படத்தில் நடித்த பானு, கதாநாயகியாக நடிக்கிறார்.

இவர்களுடன் நெப்போலியன், மணிவண்ணன், வடிவேல், லால், ஆகியோரும் நடிக்கிறார்கள்.

இளையராஜா இசையமைக்கிறார்.

வாலி, மேத்தா, முத்துலிங்கம், பழனிபாரதி, நா.முத்துக்குமார், சினேகன் ஆகியோர் பாடல்களை எழுதியிருக்கிறார்கள். கார்த்திக்ராஜா ஒளிப்பதிவு செய்ய, கதை, திரைக்கதை, வசனம் எழுதி எஸ்.பி.ராஜ்குமார் டைரக்டு செய்கிறார்.

சங்கிலி முருகன் மேற்பார்வையில், கல்யாணி முருகன் தயாரிக்கிறார்.

படப்பிடிப்பு பழனியில் தொடங்கி, சுற்றுப்புற கிராமங்களில் 25 நாட்கள் நடைபெற்றன. ஒரே ஒரு பாடல் காட்சியில், சரவணன்-சுகன்யா ஜோடியாக ஆடினார்கள். தொடர்ந்து படப்பிடிப்பு நடைபெறுகிறது.

அண்ணன்-தம்பி பாசத்தை அடிப்படையாக கொண்ட குடும்ப படம் இது.

http://www.dailythanthi.com/magazines/veli_cinema.htm

[Not sure if this has been posted earlier]

[thumburu]

For a change, they had many IR songs in the Singapore "Nakshathra kolai vizha" [ aired in SUN TV for the last 2 days] Courtesy : Rajini/Kamal hits?

[kiru]

For a change, they had many IR songs in the Singapore "Nakshathra kolai vizha" [ aired in SUN TV for the last 2 days] Courtesy : Rajini/Kamal hits?

Man ...you guys are scaring me :-)

[itsmuls]

[tscii:a45559454b]http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news-1/may-08-02/ayyan-12-05-08.html

Ilayaraja bowled over by Ayyan

After having debuted in Mamadurai, Vasan Karthik, will now don the powerful character called Muniyasamy in Ayyan. This film is being produced by S.S. Pictures on behalf of Varsha Pictures. Debutant Divya Padmini has been signed up to share the screen space with Vasan Karthik in this film. According to sources, Ilayaraja will set to tune the lyrics penned by Snegan. In fact, the maestro was bowled over by the story and had agreed to the offer. The song, Ye Sivagami… which was recorded at the Prasad Studios had everyone spellbound, said the director. Apart from penning the story, screenplay and dialogues Kendiran Muniyasamy will don the director’s cap.[/tscii:a45559454b]

[rajasaranam]

Well iam worried what happened to 'Mayilu' :(

Naan kadavul shooting is over and Arya made a visit to his barber at last it seems :P hope the movie comes out soon.

[K]

[tscii:389cb833ed]வர்ஷா பிக்சர்ஸ் சார்பில் எஸ்.எல்.பிக்சர்ஸ் தயாரிக்கும் படம் 'அய்யன்'. மாமதுரை படத்தில் நாயகனாக அறிமுகமாகி பாராட்டுகளைப் பெற்ற வாசன் கார்த்திக் இப்படத்தில் வீரம் மிக்க முனியசாமி எனும் பாத்திரத்தில் நடிக்கிறார்.

அவருக்கு ஜோடியாக அரியசெல்வி எனும் பாத்திரத்தில் திவ்யாபத்மினி அறிமுகமாகிறார். இந்தக் கதைக்குப் பொருத்தமாக எத்தனையோ நடிகைகளின் புகைப்படங்களைப் பார்த்தும் திருப்தியடையாத இயக்குநர், திவ்யாபத்மினியைப் பார்த்தும் ஓகே சொல்லிவிட்டாராம்.

இவர்களுடன் பிதாமகன் மகாதேவன், சண்முகராஜன், சிங்கமுத்து, இளவரசு, சூர்யகாந்த், கிரேன் மனோகர், சிசர் மனோகர், முத்துக்காளை, அல்வா வாசு, சூப்பர்குட் லட்சுமணன், சௌந்தர், சுப்புராஜ், விஜயகணேஷ், நெல்லை சிவா, போண்டா மணி என பலரும் நடிக்கிறார்கள். முக்கியமான காமெடி வேடத்தில் பிரபல காமெடி நடிகர் ஒருவர் நடிக்க உள்ளார்.

இப்படத்தின் கதை, திரைக்கதை, வசனம் எழுதி இயக்குபவர் கேந்திரன் முனியசாமி. இசைஞானி இளையராஜா இசையமைக்கிறார். கவிஞர் சினேகன் பாடல்கள் எழுத, காசி வி.நாதன் ஒளிப்பதிவு செய்கிறார்.

'கத்தாழ கண்ணால குத்தாத…' புகழ் தினா நடனம் அமைக்க, சண்டைக் காட்சிகளை சூப்பர் சுப்பராயன் அமைக்கிறார். கலை என்.கே.பாலா, படத் தொகுப்பு – பி.சாய் சுரேஷ், தயாரிப்பு நிர்வாகம் – கே.ஆர்.பாலமுருகன்.

இப்படத்துக்காக பிரசாத் ஸ்டுடியோவில் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா இசையில்,

ஏ... சிவகாமி, அடியே சிவகாமி...

ஏ... தென்மதுர பொண்ணு

இது நான் பொறந்த மண்ணு

குலுங்கும் வாழக் கன்னு- நீ

சிலுத்து நிக்கிற பொண்ணு...

என்ற பாடல் பாதிவானது. சினேகன் எழுதிய பாடல் இது. பாடலைக் கேட்டபோது, ஒலிப்பதிவுக் கூடமே திருவிழாக் கோலம் பூண்டது போலாகிவிட்டதாம்.

பாடலைக் கேட்டவர்கள் மெய்சிலிர்த்துப் போய் இசைஞானியின் இசையைப் பாராட்டினார்களாம்.
இதுகுறித்து இயக்குநர் கேந்திரன் முனியசாமி இப்படிக் கூறுகிறார்:

"இந்தப் படத்தோட கதையை இசைஞானி இளையராஜா கேட்டதும், 'ரொம்ப வித்தியாசமான கதையா இருக்கு. இது நிச்சயமா வெற்றிப்படமா அமையும்' என்று சொன்னார்.

இந்தப் படத்தின் இசைக்காக முழுக்க முழுக்க கிராமிய இசைக் கருவிகளையே ராஜா சார் பயன்படுத்தி இருக்கார். முதல் பாடலைக் கேட்ட எல்லாரும் அப்படியே அசந்து போய் நின்னுட்டாங்க. ராஜான்னா சும்மாவா... திரை இசையின் ராஜாவாச்சே அவர்... இந்த ஆண்டோட சூப்பர் ஹிட் பாடல்களா அய்யன் பாடல்கள் அமையப் போகுது. நமது மண்ணின் மணத்தையும், பண்பாட்டையும் பிரதிபலிக்கிற படமா இது நிச்சயம் அமையும். இளையராஜாவின் இசைக்கு அதில் பெரும் பங்கு வகிக்கப்போகிறது... இந்த மாசம் 15-ம் தேதியிலிருந்து ராமநாதபுரம் மாவட்டத்துல படப்பு நடத்தப் போகிறோம்..." என்றார்
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[rooky]

An update on IR's Kannada movie..

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/kannada/article/38425.html

[rooky]

Looks like nan kanadavul shoot is finally over..

http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14676424

[MumbaiRamki]

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/38607.html
Vaishali Kannadasan has written in KKP, now one more in dhanam ..KKP song lyrics are quite decent.

[thumburu]

I saw few portions of "Udhayam 2006" [ Tamilized RGV waterloo "Shiva 2006"] . Needless to say Raja's BGM was top notch , carrying the movie forward. I need to exclusively mention about the very pleasant music that comes before the captivating "dheemi dheemi" song . This music piece , lasting for about 3 minutes , gradually leads to the song

[krish244]

New movie for IR in tamil:

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Abirami_Ramanathan_back_in_film_production_15510.h tml

thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

This site says the animated movie "Manikandan" has symphonic performances. Wondering what it is.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Media__Entertainment_/Media/IndiaTales_kicks_off_India_operations/articleshow/3054327.cms

thanks,

Krishnan

[thumburu]

jaiganes, just chill man :)
I haven't watched "mozhi" but kalki review says it is quite decent. KB excelled in social themes like "edhir neechal", "iru kodugaL", "nizhal nijamagiradhu" and many more. It is relatively easier and safer to direct a movie on every day characters so that audience can connect to them .
Bala's selection of "kadhai kaLam" is unique,no doubt. But does he do justice ? "Pithamagan" had lot of "over the top" scenes. The movie could have done away with unrealistic simran kidnap episode , Laila's childish antics , the over sentimental surya death sequence etc. Laila's character itself was redundant , a complete misfit in that. The problem with these so called off beat movies is that they introduce few unwanted scenes due to commercial compulsions and they some how stand out as sore thumb . Bala has to do a tight rope walk . Reala kamikiren pervazhinnu he cannot also reduce it to a documentary .
piLLaiyar pidikka korangu aagaama irundha seri. But there is no denying that such unique themes can push MDs like IR beyond their creative limits

[krish244]

"Padikkadhavan" getting dubbed into Telugu:

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/38591.html

thanks,

Krishnan

[Sanjeevi]

http://tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2008/may/230508.asp

[Sanjeevi]

IR is doing music for another new uppuma(!) film called "Valmeegi"

[rooky]

IR is doing music for another new uppuma(!) film called "Valmeegi"

Uppuma company producing this movie is Vikatan (Anandha vikatan group).I am hopeful that the movie will release.what do u think?

[Sanjeevi]

IR is doing music for another new uppuma(!) film called "Valmeegi"

Uppuma company producing this movie is Vikatan (Anandha vikatan group).I am hopeful that the movie will release.what do u think?

if vikatan, then somewhat OK :). BTW they are currently producing Jeeva's Sivavin manasula sakthi (MD: YSR)

[rooky]

Yes, this will be Vikatan's Second movie.

[rajasaranam]

gone are the days when every other week there will be an IR album releasing.... Iam expecting only an album a month and that too is not happening :(

[sudhakarg]

Forget once a month rajasaranam, even once a year is becoming rare! BTW, the last Tamil movie songs that I really enjoyed was madhu. Was there anything noteworthy after that. 2007 was the dullest period for IR I suppose (at least in tamizh).

[raja_fan]

Being ardent fans, we follow closely all the movies IR has been booked - Dhanam, Mayilu, KKP, Ayyan, Azhagar malai, Nandalala, Naan kadavul, Malai kallan and what not !

But for common tamil people, IR has already faded out as a music director of yester years :-(
( though his songs are always as new as today )

At least in Malayalam, he is still seen as a vibrant MD.

[krish244]

News item about Dhanam:

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Dhanam_A_story_about_Dasis_15717.html

"...The film has seven songs, of which two are 'kuthu' songs..."

thanks,

Krishnan

[rajasaranam]

News item about Dhanam:

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Dhanam_A_story_about_Dasis_15717.html

"...The film has seven songs, of which two are 'kuthu' songs..."

thanks,

Krishnan

dhanam Jeeva Padama?????????? What nonsense! Right from the day of Pooja its a movie by G.Siva AFAIK. Late. Jeeva Was only the Cinematographer

[rajasaranam]

BTW, I was just going through the image Gallery of 'Dhanam' hmmm... Sangeetha has become a gorgeous woman :oops:
I hope the movie will make a mark on her career too.
Apart from the kuthu song mentioned in the news of 'Galatta' there is for sure a Classical songs like 'Katril Varum geethame' :)
http://www.behindwoods.com/image-gallery-stills/photos-2/dhanam/dhanam-16.html

[raja_fan]

Audio release in the first week of June. So next week. Let us wait and see.

[krish244]

News item about Dhanam:

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Dhanam_A_story_about_Dasis_15717.html

"...The film has seven songs, of which two are 'kuthu' songs..."

thanks,

Krishnan

dhanam Jeeva Padama?????????? What nonsense! Right from the day of Pooja its a movie by G.Siva AFAIK. Late. Jeeva Was only the Cinematographer

I was quite shocked as well when I read "Jeeva" as director :)

Krishnan

[raja_fan]

Myskkin's interview in Kungumam about Nandalala.

* Myskkin produces and acts in the film. He looks trim now without beard and long hair etc.

* His role is a mentally retarded character who accompanies a six year old boy ( this boy is the hero ).

* Story theme is search of these two for their respective mothers and their contact with several people.

* IR's music will be a major contribution.

* Five songs already completed. Work on for the sixth.

* 'I had IR in my mind when I wrote the script. But now I realize how IR is more important than what I initially thought'

* 'I usually decide what music will suit the narration. But in front of IR, I just sit with my hands folded seeing him work. Isaiyil ivvalavu irukkaanu arpudhapaduthittu irukkaar.'

* for 25-30 years, Tamilians see IR as mother. Me too. Since this film is about search for mother, IR is the choice.

[krish244]

Looks like one more of IR's hindi movie is in pipeline (dont ask me how long is the pipe :) ). Dont know if its original or dubbed movie. In an interview Roopkumar Rathore says he has sung for IR in the movie "ROZANA"

http://www.screenindia.com/news/On-a-lighter-note/315261/

thanks,

Krishnan

[rajaalltheway]

ayya recording malayalam Ayyappa devotional album at Prasad.Working with lyricist Anil Panachooran(katha parayumbol-kuselan) fame for the first time..

[crvenky]

rajaalltheway,
Is this for a new devotional album or for the animation movie Manikantan?

[raja_fan]

Happened to see some anouncement of "Uliyin osai Isai Veliyeettu vizha" on Kalaignar TV...but not sure about when it is..

We can expect Dhanam and Uliyin osai by next week, it seems :)

[rooky]

Uliyin Oosai audio releasing on the 2nd of June 2008.

By the way, the movie Valmiki by Vikatan talkies,is advertised everyday in newspapers.

[raja_fan]

Saw Uliyin osai trailer on Kalaignar TV.

Except the costumes and sets, nothing is historical or periodical ! The dance, tunes are all very usual kind of masala stuff. Only two songs indicated some melody..but not able to enjoy the visuals :(

People sing and dance before the Chola king, as though he is a usual village naattaamai :) EKSI :)

[krish244]

Update on "Naan Kadavul":

http://www.tamilstar.com/news/publish/article_9552.shtml

thanks,

Krishnan

[Sanjeevi]

I guess there will be consecutive releases of IR tamil film albums in rest months of this year.

Films which will hit the silver screen

1. Uliyin Oosai - 2nd June (hope one or two good songs)
2. Dhanam - soon (I've no expectation)
3. Nandalala - soon (Expecting more)
4. Naan Kadavul - soon (Expecting ultimate songs :thumbsup)
5. Ayyan - soon (BR pada paadalgal mathiri irukkumnu over build-up kodukkuranga.. hmm..)
6. Valmiki (I am expecting better songs)

Hope atleast 1 album will be super hit and another 2 albums will be hit.

Films with tag 'Varum aana Varaathu'

1. Mayilu
2. New movie with vadivelu as hero
3. New film by Ammuvagiya naan director
4. Azhagar malai :roll:

What about the following audio only released movies
1. Kankalum Kavi Paaduthey
2. Ajantha

[MumbaiRamki]

Saw Uliyin osai trailer on Kalaignar TV.

Except the costumes and sets, nothing is historical or periodical ! The dance, tunes are all very usual kind of masala stuff. Only two songs indicated some melody..but not able to enjoy the visuals :(

People sing and dance before the Chola king, as though he is a usual village naattaamai :) EKSI :)

Exactly ! Raaja 's music is v bad , except may be for a couple of songs . or may be the picturisation made me feel like that .

[rajasaranam]

Today Roaming around Kozhikode I heard the song 'Innale muththathu Minnaram' from SMS Playing in a shop. Casually I started humming it and landed upon 'Aayiram thaamarai mottukale' And Realised not a coincidence itis! the most disliked song of SMS is a reinterpretation by the Maestro of a Evergreen Classic :) Still fans are whining about his Compositions is a surprising Blow :evil:

[vigneshram]

Any early reviews of UO?

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

went to music world to get uliyin oosai.
but was not avilable. didnt reach the stores yet.

[app_engine]

uLiyin Osai launch:

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14686363

"Three picturised songs shown to the audience during the fete had a vintage look.
The film's music is scored by Illayaraja"

[app_engine]

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14686533&cid=2363

Interesting to read VM giving a speech in the launch of an IR album:-)

[kameshratnam]

How many words rather sentences were mentioned about IR or his music? :lol:

[kameshratnam]

The Audio company is BIG MUSIC. If i remember right, this was the same company before which yuvan and director RAM sat in fast becoz they delayed the audio cd launch of tamizh MA

[app_engine]

How many words rather sentences were mentioned about IR or his music? :lol:

This report in a popular Thamizh daily does not even have IR's name:
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=416564&disdate=6/3/2008

[Sanjeevi]

Where is IR :huh:

[Sanjeevi]

Any review on UO songs

[Shankar]

>>>>>


This report in a popular Thamizh daily does not even have IR's name:
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=416564&disdate=6/3/2008
<<<<

If the songs shown in the trailer don't deserve any mention in any report.

[Shankar]

ignore the "if"...

[crvenky]

What is this?

http://sevanthi.wordpress.com/ennaineethanprinthalum/

Sounds like a bad dub & remix of Pachakuthira (Mal.) songs.

[viraajan]

4. Naan Kadavul - soon (Expecting ultimate songs :thumbsup)


Nan kadavul doesn't have many songs. it is being said that nan kadavul has only one lengthy song (abt 10mins i think). :)

[skr]

I recently came across a film titled Ennai Nee Than Pirinthaalum on Tamil Torrents..surprised to know that IR has composed the music..Is it a dubbed malayalam film??Here's the link for the songs...
http://www.tamiltorrents.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34027

[rooky]

Update on Nandhalala..
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/Gallery/tamil-movies-events/photos-5/nandalala-movie/index.html

On VALMIKI..
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news-1/jun-08-01/valmiki-05-06-08.html

On PazhassiRaja..
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/article/39145.html

On KEKA
http://sify.com/movies/telugu/fullstory.php?id=14687679&cid=2364

[teja]

On KEKA
http://sify.com/movies/telugu/fullstory.php?id=14687679&cid=2364

Looks like IR refused to do this film.

[rajaalltheway]

Pazhassi raja producers son dies in car accident.Ayya to attend funeral today.

[Sanjeevi]

Enna kodumai idhu

yaarumey uliyin osai songs ketkavillaiyaa? IR-ku intha nilamaiya :sad:

[vel]

Uliyin osai is yet another classical delight (though it does have one semi classical and one janaranjagamaana song)...

the classical pieces (the five other songs of the total 7) are typical IRish masterpieces (couldnt decipher the ragas instantaneously, need more listenings)...

there is a semi classical number, 'kallai irundhaen silaiyai yen vadithai" - this is as sweet as ilangaathu from pithamagan

Uliyin osai - is classical for most parts, so may be a slow starter but will gather momentum (like moga mull's classical numbers)...

Raja rasigargalai kai vidavillai...vida maataar :-)

[Sanjeevi]

Uliyin osai is yet another classical delight (though it does have one semi classical and one janaranjagamaana song)...

the classical pieces (the five other songs of the total 7) are typical IRish masterpieces (couldnt decipher the ragas instantaneously, need more listenings)...

there is a semi classical number, 'kallai irundhaen silaiyai yen vadithai" - this is as sweet as ilangaathu from pithamagan

Uliyin osai - is classical for most parts, so may be a slow starter but will gather momentum (like moga mull's classical numbers)...

Raja rasigargalai kai vidavillai...vida maataar :-)

Thanks Vel for your review, almost daily there is a news paper ad for uliyin osai with tag "Super hit songs". Will it be?

I will try to listen the song soon

[MrJudge]

Seen the trailers of UO, songs may be in classical genre but disappointed with the sounds and recording. Why IR is still in his shell?

[vel]

Sanjeevi, dont worry if it is going to be a hit or not a hit with the masses - your ultimate botheration is whether you have legally bought your copy and whether you were satisfied or not with what you hear!

Those who listen to it online or download MP3 illegally need not worry or whine, as no one complains of lack of taste in a free meal :-)

[MrJudge]

Sanjeevi, dont worry if it is going to be a hit or not a hit with the masses - your ultimate botheration is whether you have legally bought your copy and whether you were satisfied or not with what you hear!

Those who listen to it online or download MP3 illegally need not worry or whine, as no one complains of lack of taste in a free meal :-)

I neither listen to IR's recent songs online nor download MP3s illegally but when I see them on TV for free legally (ofcourse the producer/channel will make money), I still have every right to complain, haven't I? :)

[vel]

seen them on TV? You have every right to complain then ...

[thumburu]

The audio clips on TV for "ULiyin oasai" are hugely disappointing. Is this the same Raja who gave classics for even mythological super duds like "Balanagamma" , "Rajarishi" etc in the 80's?

[vel]

thumburu, 100% right - the clips are poor selections and are disappointing

But the CD is not :-) Balanagamma is preKG style if you consider the class of Uliyin Osai - i have bought the CD and didnt go by 20 second clips, which i agree are poorly selected.

[vel]

thumburu, 100% right - the clips are poor selections and are disappointing

But the CD is not :-)...Balanagamma is preKG style if you consider the class of Uliyin Osai - i have bought the CD and didnt go by 20 second clips, which i agree are poorly selected

[vel]

A similar classic which didnt recieve attention is sooriyan (malayalam) - it had outstanding compositions....

my only minor dissatisfaction is, Raja could have tried tamil panns instead of carnatic ragas - after all, cholas marked the grand revival of sangam era...didnt they?

[MumbaiRamki]

Vel ,
Oru review kodunga ..I have heard only one song ( kallai Irunthaen) ..

Hearing the clips, i was hugely disappointed - but i will be glad if the songs are good

[kameshratnam]

I had been to music world on Saturday..they told me that they dont have the cds.

Those who have purchased the CD in chennai..kindly let me know the shop[/place from where u have bought it :lol:

[Sanjeevi]

I had been to music world on Saturday..they told me that they dont have the cds.

Those who have purchased the CD in chennai..kindly let me know the shop[/place from where u have bought it :lol:

It is available at Odysee (Adyar)

[irir123]

CDs available online ??

[rooky]

Looks like MIKHBIR is releasing this month..and shows IR as the MD

http://www.bookmyshow.com/movies/Mukhbiir--/ET00001506

[rajasaranam]

Looks like MIKHBIR is releasing this month..and shows IR as the MD

http://www.bookmyshow.com/movies/Mukhbiir--/ET00001506

the google search gives many sites where both ilayaraja & karthickraja are mentioned as composers :huh:

few links here
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/23743.html
http://movies.dcealumni.com/archives/movie-preview-mukhbiir-2008/

[vel]

Mumbai Ramki - I have already given a short review...you pls dont go for 20 second clips or go by trailers (which as told by thumburu and agreed by me are poor selections by the producers) - PLease get the CD - the CD cover design is very good with 3 sub-layers and in one of those layers it has karunanidhi's image ...

sola vala naadu - covers the salient points of chola saamraajiyam - though lyrics by kalaignar and kamakodian, i thought there could have been a deeper research into the lyrics...one look at the wikipedia page could have given lyrics with even more vigour and power - sung by ilaiyaraaja, madhu balakrishnan and chorus

kallil uyir kaatidalam kanni mayilae - sriram parthasarathy - this starts with a simple kalyani'sh melody (pallavi) but charanams deviate to other notes - very well sung by sriram - raja chips in with a musical quiz in between in the charanams - very interesting song and hail maestro's ability to seamlessly weave several different swaras (swara kalappu) in and out of the melody and still make it all natural..

agandhaiyil aaduvadha baratha kalai - very very good lyrics (ponnadiyaan?) explaining how great bharathanatiyam is....another excellent work by sriram parthasarathy...god, he has come a long way from this 'ilangaathu veesudha; days..

aada vandha - sudha ragunathan and bombay jayashree - in chola period, art had so much preference / priority that even two competing artists did it beautifully and poetically (when compared to adi dhadi range mood created by songs like p.s.veerappa presided fight between padmini and vyjayanthimala or even raja's own isaiarasi ennalum naanae vagaiyaraas) - so in this song, though there is a competition, the tune is very soft, even through to the climax ...appreciate the way both these capable singers have rendered the tune..

kallai irundhaen silaiyai yen vadithai - a new singer tanya - very nice love duet - the tune is soaked with love emotion..

azhagi vara soru thara vekkapada maatom - ultimately this may top the charts even before people wake up to the classical numbers - i thought this would dilute an otherwise very classical style album - typical raja song, but kind of grows with each listening (thats my personal opinion) - you need guts to score such a song for a film set in historic background - but raja raja chola's life and rule touched all stratas of the society, did it not?

lastly, one pathos by bhavatharini - a very good number i think in naadhanamakriya (in the lines of endhan pon vannamae anbu poo vannamae)....

[raja_fan]

Vel,

Thanks for the review.
I hope you are not biased towards MK or history..even if you are, I don't have any problem except that you don't like this album because of your inclinations :)

Any online link to the songs ?

[vel]

raja fan - i also liked 'kangalum kavi paadudhae' which i bought along with 'uliyin osai' - i just trust raja as a better option when i have some money to spend on music ;-)

as far as history or MK inclinations, i like the chola period, but am even more more intrigued or profoundly interested in sanga kaalam ! the literature, art and all that is related to that period...and that includes tamil panns....may be the lyrics should have covered all that in a even better way...MK i respect for his thamizh pulamai (despite his several shortcomings like blind love to govt servants, not cutting excise duty for petrol etc...). But that has nothing to do with my review.

[rajasaranam]

This is first time in last 8 years that I've not heard a Raaja album after 5 days of its release :( Naan Chennai'la Illa so yaarukkum akkaraiye illa CD vaangi Rip panni Upload pannuvom'nnu :evil:

[raja_fan]

rajasaranam,

Yen indha kobam ? :)

You have helped others by ripping and uploading so many times. But dont you think we all are doing some thing wrong by doing that ?

I am looking for the songs in musicindiaonline etc. but no success..

[rajasaranam]

You have helped others by ripping and uploading so many times. But dont you think we all are doing some thing wrong by doing that ?


NO I always Buy all original CD's composed by Raaja . Its for others who are not able to get their hands on the original CD's I rip and Upload (Like myself at the current situation). If a person needs to appreciate he will Buy the original and support the Publisher. If not let his conscience have a trial for him. 'thirudanaai Paarthu thirunthavittal Thiruttai Ozhikka mudiyathu' :x
OTOH I also feel that in this Internet age this is one of the methods to spread the music of Raaja :)

[rooky]

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/tamil/4767/

This link says IR will score music for the movie VALMIKI after it gets completed.

[rooky]

Mallepuvu update..

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/telugu/3374/

[raja_fan]

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/tamil/4767/

This link says IR will score music for the movie VALMIKI after it gets completed.


Don't worry ! That guy is probably poor in English ! :)
I am expecting some romantic numbers in this movie.
Also good to know that a youngster from Shankar's camp is working with IR !

[kameshratnam]

raja_fan

I think there is nothing wrong in uploading songs and listening..

Take a simple example: I need to listen to guna and avatharam songs...Now how on earth can i listen to them today..I dont have the cass. or cd and nor they are available in the stores ..so my best way is
http://rajaecho.tripod.com or some other site

[raja_fan]

kameshratnam,

Yes. That is for old songs. Not for brand new songs whose sales could be affected.

[vel]

Pls dont do this ripping etc for atleast the new releases ! That is my sincere and humble request.

[irir123]

where can i buy Uliyin osai CD online ?

[vigneshram]

This is first time in last 8 years that I've not heard a Raaja album after 5 days of its release :( Naan Chennai'la Illa so yaarukkum akkaraiye illa CD vaangi Rip panni Upload pannuvom'nnu :evil:

At last, got a CD of "Uliyin Osai".
Gave a random listen to the album. Really a promising album from Raja. There is one particular song, where Raja lists various musical instruments and respective instruments are played in the background ... Wow... gave me goosebumps!

I've uploaded some 1.5 minutes samples of all the 7 songs @

http://vigneshram.blogspot.com/2008/06/uliyin-osai-songs.html

Download & listen to them, until u grab an original CD :thumbsup:

[ananth222]

thanks for the samples vigneshram!
sounds great!

[irir123]

"kallai irundhen" is mesmerising!

[Sureshs65]

Thanks Vignesh for the samples. I am eagerly waiting for this CD to be released in Bangalore stores. From whatever little I heard I am impressed. 'Kangalum Kavi Paadude' had two good songs but this album seems to be good uniformly. Vel's review was spot on. Definitely an album worth buying and listening to.

S.Suresh

[vel]

nalla irukkunnu sonnavanga ellam please invest rs.99 to buy this album :-) Thats a small price for a good musical feast !!

[vel]

suresh, original CD vaangittu neegalum oru review kodunga !

[raja_fan]

[tscii:f213270b95]
About Nandalala..

"I’ve struggled with the script for over two years. I’m happy it’s taking off. And Ilayaraja’s music is integral to every frame.”

http://www.hindu.com/mp/2008/06/12/stories/2008061250810500.htm


Hope Ayingaran and GV films do some good marketing.
Also hope IR took his time to come out with beautiful tunes.. :)
Because nowadays I have lost confidence on his spontaneity :(



[/tscii:f213270b95]

[vel]

raja fan, why spend time worrying about a future release 'nandalaala' when we can all be more effective by ideally looking at what is already available ! Did you buy UO? Thanks for your support against piracy, but Neenga innum review kodukavae illaiyae !

[raja_fan]

Vel,

Naanum bangalore kaaran dhaan. Inge UO kidaikkum-nu enakku nambikkai illai..paarkkalaam.
Eppadiyo..nallaa irundhaa sari thaan.

Aanaal enakku ennavo IR, odaadha kudhiraiyil thaan than thiramaiyai kaattaraar-nu thonudhu..:(

Thats why, I am looking forward to Nandalala than UO.

[dochu]

This is my 2 cents from hearing the samples. :D

It is a different genre of music - definitely is not going to be a hit like 'Sivaji'. No wonder shops are without vigor in selling UO.

Usually with the first listening - IR songs capture great level of attention. In the 70's-90's most of songs will have that trend. Nowadays it is getting very hard to get that feeling even for 1 song from a album.

Kallai irunthen and maybe Kaalathai vendra can pass the mark. Other tunes are less than ordinary. Songs like Azhagi varaa......when will he stop churning such songs? Realy very sad to see such things coming from him.

On a related note, whether people download mp3 or not, sales for this album is not going to be affected in anyway.

[rajasaranam]

On a related note, whether people download mp3 or not, sales for this album is not going to be affected in anyway.

Agreed :) I can show statistics of the pages I had uploaded some of the albums. KKP has just 108 downloads till date Sadly. :( Though i uploaded the album link in various sites like orkut, tfmpage etc.,
Raaja Oru commercial hit kudupaar sales bayangarama irukkum'nnu oru ethirpaarpu iruntha vaena I will try to avoid uploading the full album. Antha Ethripaarppu ellam eppavo mudinju poachu :) I listen to his album because i love it and just want to share the joy with the like minded 108 people, who atleast want to give a try and listen to it Avvalavuthaan :oops:
Fine Intha muraiyum naane Raaja Rasigargalukkaaga antha punniyatha thaedikiren. This Saturday Iam Back in chennai and hopefully All Rasigars will listen to full album by sunday itself :)

Vignesh,

thanks for the samples. Good Album indeed!

[irir123]

raja_fan: do you know Shankar (Cisco, Bangalore) by any chance ? or are you Shankar himself ?!

[dochu]

Raaja Oru commercial hit kudupaar sales bayangarama irukkum'nnu oru ethirpaarpu iruntha vaena I will try to avoid uploading the full album. Antha Ethripaarppu ellam eppavo mudinju poachu :)

I am still debating on the arguements for mp3 downloads. I don't see that sort of an issue with any other MD. Only IR and his fans are worried about it. Is it because to make sure that atleast 1000 copies are getting sold? I also don't see any adverse effect on MD's marketability with these downloads especially ARR, YSR etc. They are still flourishing inspite of mp3 downloads.

I bought TIS (including DVD) wholeheartedly as it a souvenir that has to be in every musically apt fans (especially IR fans).

For UO and the previous albums from IR, definetely NO. Alternatively I also look this way - if I encourage such 'bad' albums, we are going to get 'bad' ones from IR. Its been several years since I felt that euphoria after a movie audio release with IR name on it. Not worth it anymore!

(not so) :wink: Eagerly waiting for the songs, thanks in advance for the upload.

[NormalMan]

Seriously folks .... people are not even contributing to the thread. Let alone down the full version and listen. So the CD's are not available in stores, the stores would not sell them, people are not interested in downloading even the samples... so what exactly are we protecting??

[NagaS]

Today's Dinakaran has a huge advertisement for launch of New "Jeganmohini", With Music by Ilayaraja.

My immediate reaction was, what IR is going to do in this semi-porn movie? My impression may be wrong, as I have only 'heard' about the old jeganmohini, haven't watched it, What kind of film it is? I know there can't be any hope for songs / picturisations with N K Vishwanathan handling the picturization, Atleast we can expect some good BGM?

NagaS

[MumbaiRamki]

NagaS,
Welcome ! "Naga'S padam eduththu romba naal aachchu ..


I don't have any expectations towards UO - I liked Ajanta very much - but UO , not my cup of tea ..will wait for naanda lala ..

[raja_fan]

After a long time , I have finally decided to convince myself that whatever IR composes in future will definitely have a "already heard" feel..
Hearing the samples, I don't feel UO is a amazing effort !

"Kallaai irundhen" stands apart, but still has that resemblence to some old tune.
"Kaalathai vendra.." - hmm. Bhavatharini again..Puthira paasam kannai maraikkum enbaargal, IR-kku kaadhai maraikkiradhu :(

Even for promising films like Nandalala, I don't expect a fresh feel or flows like the eighties. That is gone for ever.. I am not blaming IR. It is natural. Where can he get fresh feel after 900 movies ?

[kameshratnam]

kamal spoke about Ilayaraaja yesterday in NDTV. He said the first option for the MD For dasavatharam was "" (didnt hear properly) and next it was A R Rahman. Since ARR was busy, they couldnt get him and finally kamal said he had the option of his favorite ilayaraaja but the producer had a different thing in his mind and so they had to go to some one else

One more chance missed ...KSR and Oscar hate ilayaraaja va...so bad

[rajasaranam]

One more chance missed ...KSR and Oscar hate ilayaraaja va...so bad

aascar and Raaja Are very good friends in personal front :) When 'Dasa' Started i dont think aascar was the producer :?

[itsmuls]

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/39269.html

Highly inspired Mysskin on 'Nandhalala'

Talented and successful director Mysskin is upbeat and excited about his forthcoming venture 'Nandhalala'. A combination of many aspects of the film has kept the 'Nandhalala' team charged up.

Maestro Ilayaraja composing the songs and music for the film comes after a detailed discussion with the director. Not only was the maestro thoroughly impressed, but also struck a wonderful chord with Mysskin appreciating his talent and passion for filmmaking. Four songs have been recorded and all of them would be featured in montage sequences. With passion running high and Ilayaraja giving that extra bit of finesse, one can expect 'Nandhalala' to be a clean entertainer delving deep into the exuberance of humanness.

In an exclusive interview to Indiaglitz, director Mysskin said, "The story is about two children, one a 7 year old and the other a 30 year old child , who go on a journey in search of their respective mothers". The 30 year old child is played by the director himself. Though 30 years of age, the character is child-like in all aspects which could be refreshing to the script and the final impact the movie has in store for its audiences.

The 7 year old child is played by Ashwath Raman, a student of Chettinad Vidhyashram who is in his third standard. The boy, it seems, has a lot of exposure to stage acting in school and had already been approached by other filmmakers for roles. Ashwath Ramna's father is a petroleum consultant in Nigeria and his mother a house wife. His role in 'Nandhalala' is expected to propel his career in a big way.

'Nandhalala' very clearly is taking the road less traveled highlighting the lives of 'victims of circumstances'. With an emphasis on human emotions, the film is to be shot in Tamilnadu and Andhra Pradesh.


As the depiction of the characters in the picture above shows, the characters walk away from the camera embarking on the journey. Metaphorically, one can assume that though they move away, world cinema's eyes would be firmly fixed on them or even follow them. The way Mysskin has planned out the narration and with the fact that he is brimming with enthusiasm one gets the feeling that he is on the right path to get the right kind of attention.

[vel]

Since most here have only heard it for free (oosi saapaadu), they dont have anything to lose...Good for you then, if you dont want to buy the CD, then dont. Also raja needs to worry only about those who bought a copy for rs.99, which anyway is a minority crowd (going by the proportion of dissatisfied fans over here)...why should he bother for anyone who only bothers to give a casual listening to a 1.5 minutes sample and makes a judgement out of it? Its like gangai amaran saying "indha maan undhan sondha maan" tune (karagattakaran) was ordinary, when it was played by IR on the harmonium while composing the tune..raja said,"oru sengalai paarthu kattadathai edai podaadhada madaiya" (dont judge the building by seeing just one brick....). We all know finally what a huge hit it was...

10 years down the lane, if there were another movie with historic theme i am sure there will be threads comparing it with uliyin osai :-)

Wish you all good luck in your wait for that sizzling 1.5 minutes sample MP3s of yet to be release films like nandhalaala, dhanam, or Nagas' favourite jaganmogini ;-)...

[krish244]

"Jaganmohini" to be remade. IR is the MD. It seems the original had lots of special effect and illusions and it was a big hit. Hope the remake will do justice to the original and hope IR gets inspired to create something special. Lets see.

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Jaganmohini_is_back_16166.html

thanks,

Krishnan

[thumburu]

[quote="vel"]thumburu, 100% right - the clips are poor selections and are disappointing

.Balanagamma is preKG style if you consider the class of Uliyin Osai - Vel, are u serious? :)
The frustration of a Raja fan inside me could be alleviated and I would be more than happy even if a couple of songs from "ULiyin Oasai" could measure up to 3/4th of the Bilahari brilliance in "koondhalile megam vandhu" or VJ solo "sangeetham en deham anro" .
BTW what are the ragas used in UO? Hope its not the same old Kiravani/MMG/Sudhadhanyasi/sindubhairavi story. Its not that I have something against these beautiful ragas. My grouse is, they sound utterly stale , coming from Raja in recent times

[vel]

Hi Thumburu, Comparing balanagamma to uliyin osai will boil down to personal judgements - you have all the right to weigh one album down compared to the other !

Since you have askde about ragas used in UO, here it is (sorry, some of it falls under your "same old list")

Ragas used in Uliyin Osai

1) chola vala naadu - shankarabharanam

2) kallil uyir kaatidalam - starts with kalyani, the charnams use more than one raga

3) agandhaiyil aaduvadha - rasikapriya - the only other rasikapriya is 'sangeedhamae' from kovil pura

4) aada vandha - tough one, i think charukesi

5) kallai irundhaen - sudhadhanyasi

6) azhagi vara - natabhairavi with brief scale shift to shankarabharanam !

7) kaalathai vendra - keeravani

[raja_fan]

Thanks Vel,

I think that is why Kallai irundhen sounds like "Maalaiyil yaaro.." ( being another Suddha dhanyasi number)

[RR]

the only other rasikapriya is 'sangeedhamae' from kovil pura
How about 'ding dong kovil mani'?

[NagaS]

Nagas' favourite jaganmogini ;-)...

Infact, Because Namitha is involved, this movie will get more eyeballs than any other movie IR is MDing these days ;)

NagaS

[MrJudge]

kamal spoke about Ilayaraaja yesterday in NDTV. He said the first option for the MD For dasavatharam was "" (didnt hear properly) and next it was A R Rahman. Since ARR was busy, they couldnt get him and finally kamal said he had the option of his favorite ilayaraaja but the producer had a different thing in his mind and so they had to go to some one else

One more chance missed ...KSR and Oscar hate ilayaraaja va...so bad

I am glad that IR didn't do this project, the risk is always high. KSR is the last guy as a director we should be bothered about.

[vel]

:-) RR, i meant only other IR song in this scale...

Nagas - long time no see - i too have come here after a long long time..

[jaiganes]

vel!!
welcome back.
Missing your interesting raga analysis for film songs.
Expecting to see more of such analysis from you.
It has always struck me as to why raja refuses to touch Bhairavi while he uses the allied ragas like Anandha Bhairavi and Sindhu Bhairavi regularly.
He is the non conformist who retuned Mari mari ninne who could have done atleast one song in Bhairavi. What is in Bhairavi that scares him?
Probably some situation has not yet been written in movies for Bhairavi???

[rajasaranam]

Uliyin Osai Here :
http://www.mediafire.com/?n1yntgdpjjd
or Here:
http://themediasite.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51290
Aftet Repeated listenings I feel its a fantastic album in recent times from Raaja. My order of preferance of the songs:
1.Aganthaiyil Aaduvatha
2.Abinayam Kaatugindra
3.Pularkindra Pozhuthu
4.Kallai irunthaen
5.Kaalathai Vendra
6.Chozha Vala Naadu
7.Azhagi Varraa
Enjoy :)

[rooky]

Thanks RS for that link...Guess the songs would fit the theme well.

Pularkindra pozhuthu gives a nice classical feel.
Kallai irunthen is a nice melody.

On the whole,the album is in the lines of IRs' malayalam ones of recent times.This is the feeling i got on the first hearing.

[dochu]

RS,
Thanks for doing this.

To me..
1. Kallai irunthen
2. kaallathai vendra
3. Alaiyellaam Chozha

worst - Azhagi varaa

others are not 'hummable'. Maybe needs repeated listening.

Is Sriram a good choice? I am not an expert i carnatic music (like Vel :-) )- but his voice was not very good in several places in songs. Not enough depth in the voice.

[NormalMan]

When I listened to the samples I was yawning. Now listening to the full album, definitely classic & good stuff. Will it go with the current kuthu pattu loving mass ... doubt it.

[krish244]

The only song that made me think "oh no...why this (type of) song in this album" was "Azhagi Varra". "Alaiyelaam" was fine. All other songs impressed me one way or the other (either the classical stuff and/or the melody).

My order of preference is:

1) Aganthaiyil. Liked the way IR interspersed with dialogues and how seamlesly he introduced the mridangam, flute, udukkai, etc. bits (to match with the dialogues). I liked Sriram's singing.

2) Kaalathai Vendra: Loved the melody. Although the orchestration supplements the melody, I wonder how it will suit the period.

3) Kallai Irundhen: Liked the melody. Again, wondering how the orchestration will suit the period.

4) Abhinayam: Nice classical song with some nice orchestration (especially the ending).

5) Pulargindra: Another melody based song. I somehow got a little uncomfortable when Sriram sounded more casual in improvisation. Another strange thing was his voice sounded different in various places (even when he repeats a phrase).

6) Alaiyelaam: Just when I was thinking how come Madhu Balakrishnan is not used. Here he is. An okay song I would say.

I liked Sriram's singing (excepting those voice and little improvisation in "Pulargindra" song)

The album could have been more classical based (including the orchestration), but I guess IR did not want to make it like that (for whatever reason).

[dochu]

I liked Sriram's singing (excepting those voice and little improvisation in "Pulargindra" song)


After repeated listening, maybe it is a situation based song - I don't think IR could have missed the lack of depth in Sriram's voice.

[Plum]

jaiganesh, IR had a gilt-edged chance for Bhairavi in Moga Mull. The novel by Thi.Ja weaves a lot around Bhairavi. FOr whatever reasons, IR stayed away from Bhairavi. Maybe, he hadnt read the book and the director failed to guide him or maybe, Bhairavi is really tricky for him. Infact, the famed series of articles by Srirangam Lakshminarayanan tocuhes upon this point...

[Sureshs65]

Finally. Got the tape in Bangalore and heard the songs.

To be honest, I had stopped expecting much from Illayaraja's Tamil albums and generally look forward to his Malayalam albums. Initially when I heard that Illayaraja was composing for a Mu.Ka. film I wasn't very enthused. Only when I heard the clips did I think this album was probably worth buying!!!

I haven't heard all of them fully yet but here are my initial impressions.

Agandhayil Aaduvatha: Starts off with the raga Rasikapriya. (Honestly I didn't recognize this. A musician friend of mine told this). Then in the charanams it shifts to Mayamalavagowla. The excellent and sophisticated way that Illayaraja introduces the instruments in the background when he is reciting is something new to Tamil songs I guess. Because they generally go "Veena" and there will one person playing the veena, just in case you missed the hint. This is not the in-your-face-you-are-dumb type music. The same way he recites the names of swaras in Tamil (equivalent to the Sadhja-Rishaba etc) he sounds the note at the exact point. A very nice way of doing it.

Pulagindra Pozhudu: The initial prose starts in Bouli and the song shifts to Kalyani. Just when you are wondering if this is one more Kalyani song, the first charanam shifts to Dharmavati. Then you think, "I have also heard quite a few Dharmavathis" and Illayaraja shifts to Vasantha in the second charanam. A very nice song. I wish K J Yesudas at his prime sang this !!!

Abhinayam: I wasn't sure of the raga. I could hear Charukesi but thought I heard some vivadhi usage as well. My friend confirmed that this raga is called Ragavardhi using a different Rishabam compared to Charukesi. The latter part of this song turns into a ragamalika as well. I could hear Karaharapriya, Sudha Dhanyasi and Hamsanandi. Need to listen more keenly to this.

Kalathai Vendra and Kallai are melodious songs. As mentioned by Krish the orchestration is modern. 'Kallai' is Illayaraja melody in the lines of 'Ilan Katru Veesudu' and 'Unnavida'. It is like a gentle breeze.

Choza Vala Nadu: A decent song. I liked the way he starts the song on slow beat and in the last stanza shifts to a folk beat and finishes the song in a robust way. You dont notice the shifts at all.

'Azaghi Vara' is 'drishti parikaram'.

What is evident throughout is the sophistication that Illayaraja brings to the album. The raga changes and the beat changes happen so very naturally. All in all, an album in Tamil from Illayaraja I am very happy with.

[vel]

sureshs65 - great review !

jaiganes - may be has used bhairavi and we missed it - with nearly 900 films to his credit, we just may have missed hundreds of such gems...

[rajan]

its all really good reviews of albums. nice to read.

[Sureshs65]

I see that I haven't typed out the raga name fully. It should be 'Ragavardhini' and not just 'Ragavardhi' for the song 'Abhinayam'.

[jaiganes]

Glad to hear that a pure carnatic based album is getting released after a long gap.
Will buy the CDs when I am coming to India.

[jaiganes]

There was this raga based program in Kairali where they would discuss every raga and cases of its usage in popular film music sense. The guys turned truly devotional and were commenting that Bhairavi should be used only for spiritually uplifting situations and its use in other situations is better avoided. I hope IR goes by this dictum. I hope sincerely that he does one TIS like effort on Abhirami andhaadhi where Bhairavi is handled by him.

[Nerd]

Uliyin Osai Here :
http://www.mediafire.com/?n1yntgdpjjd
or Here:
http://themediasite.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51290
Aftet Repeated listenings I feel its a fantastic album in recent times from Raaja. My order of preferance of the songs:
1.Aganthaiyil Aaduvatha
2.Abinayam Kaatugindra
3.Pularkindra Pozhuthu
4.Kallai irunthaen
5.Kaalathai Vendra
6.Chozha Vala Naadu
7.Azhagi Varraa
Enjoy :)
Thanks, RS!
A google search on uyilin Osai returns THREE results :twisted: (one of them points to our hub :P )

[Fliflo]

Instead of Uyilin Osai try "Uliyin Osai". You may have more hits :lol:

[Nerd]

Instead of Uyilin Osai try "Uliyin Osai". You may have more hits :lol:
:oops: At least I am not alone. tamilciema.com decived me.. Also google auto-correct has not picked that up yet !

[vel]

jaiganes - i am sure there would be someone who has recorded those kairali programs in a DVD - any idea if it is available anywhere?

[thumburu]

Vel and Suresh, thanks for your raga updates.
Suresh, ragas like Bhairavi, Kambodhi , Begada etc are called "Gana" ragas . Not only IR, any film MD , unless they have strong foundation in Carnatic music would not like to do "visha pareekshai" of diluting them with "Anya" swaras for film music. Legends like KVM, GR, SVV were all well versed with Carnatic music and they freely used such Gana ragas in their films. Example : "kaviya selvama veerama" in Kambodhi, by KVM. Why Kambodhi, Raja has not even ventured into popular ragaslike Sahana, Dhwijawanthi , Kalavathy, SARASWATHY etc which MSV , surprisingly ARR who is perceived as a modern MD have used. IMO, Raja is so comfortable only with few scales like Sudha dhanyasi, Kiravani, SindhuBhairavi, MMG that he tirelessly reuses them time and again and after many songs , they start sounding predictable and stale. Moreover, Raja is not an MD who keeps experimenting with new scales unlike ARR, Vidhyasagar . His tunes come spontaneously rather than after much deliberation and thinking. That could be another reasn for his sticking to few known scales and risk sounding the same. Among today'd MD's Vidhyasagar alone seems to be capable of delving into classical ragas and delighting us with sweet melodies

[krish244]

Uliyin Osai review in Rediff:

http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2008/jun/17ssuo.htm

thanks,

Krishnan

[raja_fan]

Mayakannadi - Not Ilaiyaraja's best.
CheeniKum - Not Ilaiyaraja's best.

Now,

Uliyin Osai - only for Ilaiyaraja's fans.

What more to expect from rediff ?

[Sureshs65]

Thumburu,

While I do agree that Illayaraja has not used the ragas like Kambhoji, Yadhukula Kambhoji, Sahana etc it is also true that he has experimented with ragas which other great music directors of the past haven't thought of using. Examples are the amazing Gowla that he uses in Kovil Pura, Vasantha in Raja Parvai, Lalitha in Unnal Mudiyum Thambi. Not to forget that he is one who made Reethi Gowla popular with Kavi Kuyil. Chala Nata and Gambeera Nata were used by him. ('Pani Vizhum Malar Vanam', 'Innum Ennai Enna Seyya Pogirai'). So was the lovely Abhogi. Even in Uliyin Osai he has tuned a song in Ragavardhini and another in Rasikapriya. In my opinion, with due respects to the past greats, I don't think anyone has used as many ragas as Illayaraja has. Maybe the current crop of compositions may be in a certain group of ragas but that was not the case in the past.

While I do see that he uses a raga like Mayamalavagowla often I am amazed by the variety he is able to deliver in this raga. For example the Malayalam film 'Ponmudipuzayorathu' had two MMG based songs. 'Ammayennum Vaaku' and 'Oru Chiri Kandal'. Each was so different and inspite of hearing so many MMGs 'Oru Chiri Kandal' was still fresh. So was the 'Malai Nila' song from KKP.

I too would be happy if Illayaraja takes up Sahana, Begada or Bhairavi and delivers. For he is capable of coming up with some stunning melodies.

[vel]

Suresh, nice points.

Thumburu,

some ragas like natabhairavi / keervani (ni2/ni3) offer better flexibility to show IR's strong foundation in Western Classical music while others do not allow much experimentation (like a heavily carnatic loaded sahana, bairavi etc). Legends like KVM, GR, SVV were all well versed with Carnatic music but were not that savvy with WCM and so they stuck to carnatic heavy weight ragas in their films.

Moreover, Raja keeps experimenting with new genres rather than just new scales like ARR, Vidhyasagar do (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1372733#1372733).

ARR's usage of rare scales are 100% linked to his hindustani grounding (madhuvanthi, dwijawanthi and the malhar vagaiyaras) where his roots / strenghts lie. On the other hand vidyasagar foray into malayalam film world brought him a deep faith in sticking to melody based numbers and also he has excellent prowess in carnatic music since he got his training when he was 4 years old !

[MADDY]

Moreover, Raja keeps experimenting with new genres rather than just new scales like ARR, Vidhyasagar do (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1372733#1372733).

u mean to say khalbali from rang de basanti is a existing genre which ARR used with different scales?? :roll: ......to me, the eastern music was largely untapped until ARR stepped in......add to that north indian folk genres and ofcourse, the middle east genres......

[K]

First of all Thank U veryMuch for the Uploader Rajasaranam, This is what Raja is. King of Music. Uliyin Osai kathirkku inimai, manathirkku niraivu. "Gundu Malli Gundu Malli"from Sollamarantha Kathai and "Vasu pulla Vayasupulla" from Annan and Alaiyelaam ChozhaVala Naadu from this movie are based on same scale/raga itseems. 5/6 is ranking I give for this album.

[inetk]

My nooru.
http://itwofs.com/milliblog/2008/06/17/uliyin-osai-tamil-ilayaraja/

[jaiganes]

Karthik!!!
unexpectedly listenable!!!
reflects the trend

[irir123]

at least for a difference, the rediff review speaks abt the classical base of the songs!

[jaiganes]

The National Award winner Sathish (for the telugu film Hope which had raja's music) is planning a musical and has confirmed that it will be a tribute to K.Vishwanath and Raja. Raja offcourse is the music director. I hope that the movie is deep and clean inspiring raja to give his best.

[Dragun]

Where can we listen to UO online?

[vel]

MADDY, i am not well versed to comment on that (ARR'S genre attempts), may be fans like you can add - but there is ample evidence for IR's interest in exploring and blending various genres of world music.

[raja_fan]

I am angry at all the people who have so far appreciated UO ! :angry2:

Did any one of you notice how the female singer ( Dhanyaa ? ) sings "Kallaai irundhen" ??

Kodumai..kodumai..

She sings Alagu, olungu, aliyum ulagil aliyaa ( no
Zha-garam at all )

Mu.Ka, IR pondra thamizh aarvalargal padathil ippadi oru kodumai

:banghead:

[NagaS]

I am angry at all the people who have so far appreciated UO ! :angry2:

Did any one of you notice how the female singer ( Dhanyaa ? ) sings "Kallaai irundhen" ??

Kodumai..kodumai..

She sings Alagu, olungu, aliyum ulagil aliyaa ( no
Zha-garam at all )

Mu.Ka, IR pondra thamizh aarvalargal padathil ippadi oru kodumai

:banghead:

Not only la, La, zha, She kills 2, 3 suzhi 'na' also, in every possible chance :(

NagaS

[Dragun]

Raja_fan, even IR has used Shreya Ghosal and Sadhna Sargam in his songs. I can understand his wanting to work with Lata Mangeshkar in Sathya (since IR didn't get many chances to work with her in Hindi) but among the younger generation surely there is no shortage of good singers with proper Tamil diction?

[raja_fan]

Dragun,

Lata, Sadhana and Shreya are all non-tamils. So they can be excused to some extent.
But this girl seems to be surely a tamil voice, but no proper pronounciation and wondering IR has just gone to sleep leaving this girl to sing anything she gets !! :argh:

Having said that, Lata has done a great job in "valaiyosai..", just think a non-tamil singing that challenging pallavi !
Also Shreya, she takes utmost care to sound like a native singer. Sadhana needs to improve, I accept.

I would say Sriram Parthasarathy has to improve a lot. We can easily find out flaws in his breath control in UO songs.

[thumburu]

Suresh, I concur with you and Iam aware of what ragas Raja has used. Why only ReethiGowlai or Gowlai or Naattai, Abhogi , he also popularized Hamsanadham("thendral vandhu"), Hamsadhwani , with the scintillating "mayile mayile", Hamsanandhi ("rathiriyil poothirukkum") and many more. If even newbies like Joshua, James Vasanth and Co can compose ReethiGowlai with ease, it is apparent that IR is the pioneer. IR has even used ragas hitherto sparsely used in TFM like Khamaas (margazhi madham munpani), Sallaapam(Isai arasi) , Bhilahari [Kondhalile megam) . But didn't you see all these classics bloomed only during his first 10 to 12 years of his entry in TFM? It was during this period that Raja was learning Carnatic music from gurus like TVG, Dhakshinamoorthi SwamigaL and others . Understandably , to prove a point to his detractors, he applied his classical knowledge and enthralled us. It is intriguing why after he reached his career peak , he closed his mind to listening music[By his own admission], there by ceasing to learn . That is why we can finger count the classics he composed during the last 18 years.
Raja should have seized the golden chance "UO" gave him to compose an all out classical master piece.
"azhagi varaa" is worser than Srikant deva's worst . I wish Raja had not introduced MMG in between the Rasikapriya song. It would have been fine if "kaalathai vendra" and "kallai irundhen" found a place in a socal theme. But they are total misfits in a period film like this

[irir123]

wasnt "pazhamudhircholai" from Varusham 16 a perfect KAMAZ ?
how about "Mandhiram idhu" from avarampoo - isnt that Desh ?

[app_engine]

Heard a few samples from uLiyin Osai and it sounds pleasant, soothing (like someone said, similar to IR's recent Malayalam scores). Need to listen more to appreciate better.

Sounds like one of the better scores from IR in the recent times for TFM.

[Sanjeevi]

I am angry at all the people who have so far appreciated UO ! :angry2:

Did any one of you notice how the female singer ( Dhanyaa ? ) sings "Kallaai irundhen" ??

Kodumai..kodumai..

She sings Alagu, olungu, aliyum ulagil aliyaa ( no
Zha-garam at all )

Mu.Ka, IR pondra thamizh aarvalargal padathil ippadi oru kodumai

:banghead:

I know your anger, but athaiyum meeri padal tharam irukkirathu

[jaiganes]

To put in my points to what Vel and Maddy are touching upon, IR to his credit has been always mixing genres with Carnatic kept as the base (that is what MSV used to do in ol' days). ARR to his credit has explored, hiphop, sufi, hindusthani all at the same time not mixing them with carnatic or any other form. Both have their distinct style that has created a fan following with unique tastes. Nothing demonstrates this more than when we take two songs - one by IR in 1980s Kadal meengal - 'Endrendrum Aanandhame' - which plays out like a soft rock number which has so much of carnatic for a night club number.
ARR explores Rock and Pop in "Palakaatu machanukku" in Maymadham and we see it is a rock song in Thamizh that kicks big time ass - right from the voice, rendition and instrumentation. When ARR takes carnatic like he did for 'Thangamae thamizukkillai' in Duet - wasn't it undiluted Anandha bhairavi - and stays an absolutely true carnatic number barring a few synthetic beats. Therein lies the difference that in my opinion vel was trying to imply.

[raja_fan]

I know your anger, but athaiyum meeri padal tharam irukkirathu


Music quality is there. But the old task master IR is now gone..See how that female singer finishes the pallavi the first time in the song ( such a hurry in "uyirai yen koduthaai" without stretching it a bit longer )
IR is badly missing calibre like SJ or Chitra..

[viraajan]

wher can i download UO songs? Please help. I have been searching for it...

Please help...

[vel]

I wish Raja had not introduced MMG in between the Rasikapriya song.

Melakartha (15) Mayamalavagowla - Melakartha (57) Simhendramadhyamam - Melakartha (72) Rasikapriya

MMG, Simmendramadhyamam and Rasikapriya are tonic shifts or grahabedham counterparts - may be the song makes a tonic shift from rasikapriya ro MMG

Interestingly, from wikipedia -QUOTE The ancient Tamils also derived new panns by the process of modal shift of tonic and by the process of reallocating the pitch and beat of the notes. Cilappatikaram has an example of this in the chapter Arangetrukadai, where the Pann Mercharupalai is changed to derive a new Pann. By the model shift of the tonic (பண்ணுப்பெயர்த்தல் - pannupeyardhal) the ancient Tamils devised the seven major palais. END QUOTE

And thumburu, guess what, those seven palais are the very same old raga list that you lament !!

QUOTE The seven major palais or parent scales of the music of the ancient Tamils are: Sempalai (corresponding to the present Harikambhoji), Padumalai Palai (Natabhairavi), Sevvazhi Palai (Hanumatodi), Arum Palai (Dheera Sankarabharanam), Kodi Palai (Kharaharapriya), Vilari Palai (Hanumatodi), and Merchem Palai (Mecha Kalyani). END QUOTE

Time and again he proves the same old golden rule - never underestimate IR's songs :lol: ...tough to decipher his musical intellect and intent behind his songs...All these are my humble personal opinions.

[Sureshs65]

That was a good point by vel. I was also wondering why the Mayamalavagowla came in the Rasikapriya song. Especially when 'Kalathai' is also based on the same Mayamalavagowla scale. Illayaraja was probably trying to demonstrate the modal shift in the song.

True thumburu that the ceaseless experimentation of the past may have subsided but there is still lot more left in this man. To me it seems like Illayaraja is experimenting more with the vivadhi and prati madyama ragas these days. I heard a recent album dedicated to Ramana Maharishi wherein Bombay Jayashree sings in a very rare raga. Same way in the recent Malayalam film 'Sooriyan' he has used 'Ragavardhini'. What I do see in this album (uliyin Osai) is that a decent amount of intelligence has gone in, especially the way Raja narrates in 'Agandayil'. I guess if we listen to this more keenly and don't dismiss this off, I am sure we will find why certain ragas are being used.

A lot of people have pointed out that while 'Kalathai Vendra' and 'Kallai Irunthen' sound nice but modern. Agreed, but that is how film music is nowadays. None of the historical's in the recent past had the feel of the period throughout. A recent example is 'Jodha Akbar'. While the songs are good it will be a stretch to say that the sounds belonged to that Mughal period. So I think we need not worry about the period feel and should just enjoy the songs.

[thumburu]

"Pazhamudhir cholai" is in Khamaas IMO though many hubbers consider it as "HariKhambodhi", of which "Khamaas" is a janyam.
"Mandhiram idhu" ragam is still a mystery. I have posed the same query in ROS thread long back and received unconvincing replies like "Sri Ranjini", "Bhagashri" etc. I feel it is not a homogenous raga. For most parts it sounds like "Bahudhari" and that "saayalil mayile" Kaarvai in charanam part alone deviates to Dhesh . RR/Vel/Suresh or others, can you clarify?

[thumburu]

vel, you are right as "Graha bedham" on RasikaPriya leads to Mayamalavagowlai , Simhendramadhyamam. It is quite plausible Raja brought in MMG to Rasikapriya owing to the same reason. But this "pann", "palai" stuff are "greek and latin" to me :). Are you telling Raja mainly goes for these 6 MeLakarthas as they were used by ancient tamil music and they are got by tonic shifts? I have no qualms on these raga usages.
Ennamo ponga. paattu nanna irundha seri dhaan. Who's gonna crib if the songs are fresh and listenable whatever be the raga /scale used? :)-

[jaiganes]

vel - do you mean to say that in trying to compose for a pre - vijayanagar period music, IR has gone straight back into the sangam era musical rules? If he did intentionally, that would be a great design. IS there any reference as to how 12th century music would sound? We know for sure that this was post thevaram period and more closer to Kalingathu parani period . I dont know if parani had any musical references.

[vel]

Thumburu, it is my gut feel that by using these seven major palais or parent scales of the music of the ancient Tamils, namely Sempalai (present Harikambhoji), Padumalai Palai (Natabhairavi),
Sevvazhi Palai (Hanumatodi without madhyamam), Arum Palai (Dheera Sankarabharanam), Kodi Palai (Kharaharapriya), Vilari Palai (Hanumatodi), and Merchem Palai (Mecha Kalyani), etc, Raja is able to exploit better flexibility to discuss and explore western classic models / formulae....It is not out of scope to quote what once shankar mahadevan said in an interview that it is an amazing fact that for every Western scale, there is an equivalent raga. He quoted that the Lydian scale is kalyani (carnatic) or Yaman Raga (hindustani)..."

Thats why most foreigners who are hooked to raja think that he is a phenomenon...see below a quote by Dave Kerman, a music distributor in the US...He is a westerner who however manages to define raja's calibre in words that we could not manage to string together...

QUOTE

DAVID KERMAN (ReR-USA, Music Distributor, North America) - We are big fans of the Maestro, and are proud to be the exclusive North American importer of the WINGS CD. ReR USA holds no allegiance to any particular style or genre of music, rather we only care about excellence. That's why we're so thrilled to have ilaiyaraaja !!. What makes Ilaiyaraaja so universal is his cheerful adoption of much of the world's music and its instruments while remaining focused on the needs of song and the language of popular film; what makes him so addictive is his extraordinary sense of arrangement and instrumentation. Everything is detail with a small surprise lurking around every corner. This is work of painstaking subtlety, wrapped in simple forms - and luminous undemonstrative musicianship - the kind of work that grows with every listening and depends on its inner qualities and not on shock, dissidence or effect. These are perfectly crafted songs with mysterious arrangements and a catalogue of rhythms that are never as simple as they seem. A gem.!

UNQUOTE

[MrJudge]

Wings is the same Nothing but Wind album. No wonder a stranger like David Kerman liked it and selling it!

[vel]

vel - do you mean to say that in trying to compose for a pre - vijayanagar period music, IR has gone straight back into the sangam era musical rules? .

I need to know ancient tamil music to confirm that...but i do know that ilaiyaraaja is quite capable of doing that :)

[vel]

Mr.Judge - if you searched for Wings CD's contents, you would be in for a big surprise - It only had 2 numbers from "NOTHING BUT WIND" and the rest were regular Raja songs - that many here most probably just shrugged off.. :lol:

[vel]

vel - IS there any reference as to how 12th century music would sound? .

:boo: boy if only i had a time machine, i would love to go to the sangam era to hear how ancient tamil music sounded..how it felt..

[rooky]

"Mallepuvu" is IR's next audio release.

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/39437.html

Link says, audio will be released in the first week of July.Movie will have eight songs.

[jaiganes]

There is a substitute to Time Machine.
12th standard Thamizh grammar had the thamizh phonetics chapters.
Remember all the 'maathirai's nerisai, anima etc., .Based on the poem type (venbaa, nerisa venba, kuraLisai venba, Agaval Pa etc.,), any old poem can by segmented into a coda and then there are only a finite number of allowable ways a tune can be fitted to them. Juxtaposing Sa, Ri Ga Mas on top of the resultant codas should give us a fairly good idea of how a thirukkural or a Seevaga Sindhamani or Nedungadhai or Puranaanooru would have sounded. ARR had this chance in Iruvar where a purananooru song could have been used, however Vairamuthu's "contemporarized' version was used for "Udal Mannukku, Uyir thamizukku" was used. All hope is not lost with Rajas foundation and ARR's music conservatories are being established. We can see in the near future when Nedungadhai's pattinappaalais and naaladiyaars composed and sung by everyone.

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

dear friends, i have been a fan of ilayaraaja from 14.5.1976.when i was eightl.now being playing mridangam for the past 28 years in carnatic music concerts,i had the privelege of playing mridangam for raaja sir in uliyin oosai for the song aganthayil aaduvatha. it was on 13 .10 2007.it was a great experience which i would love to share with you all. i will also give my observations about the album in future posts.

[app_engine]

Arunprakashkrishnan,

Welcome to the thread!

We're eager to hear your experiences and also observations on IR's scores!!

[viraajan]

dear friends, i have been a fan of ilayaraaja from 14.5.1976.when i was eightl.now being playing mridangam for the past 28 years in carnatic music concerts,i had the privelege of playing mridangam for raaja sir in uliyin oosai for the song aganthayil aaduvatha. it was on 13 .10 2007.it was a great experience which i would love to share with you all. i will also give my observations about the album in future posts.

Welcome Arun Sir,

Glad to meet you here.

Please share your experience, knowledge, thoughts about IR sir in this thread.

[rooky]

Today morning, There was Myskin's interview in kalaignar tv.
I was watching him talk for the first time and he was not the kind of person i had expected.He looks very educated and thoughtful in his speech.

Few interesting points w.r.to Music.

The first thing he wrote after the script was IR's name.For longstanding songs, only IR can do it.

Originally planned for 10 songs and then satisfied with 5.

Was very impressed with his work and myskin has left everything to IR for music.

Pazhanibharathi,mu.metha are penning the songs apart from Kabilan.Kabilan worked with IR for the first time and had requested Myskin to give atleast one song per movie with IR in his future films.

[vel]

dear arunprakash krishnan,

pls share some musical information and your experiences with maestro...welcome note from all our fans over here at tfmpage

[jaiganes]

Welcome to the hub arun.
I was watching some of the amritha TV composing sessions episodes in You tube - really unassuming Raja.
He took a pilot tune from sreekumar and added layers f rhythms in almost playful manner. In between all the light hearted, exercise, there was some deep set discipline and dedication. Some body has invaded you tube with Raja's thiruvannamalai concerts and man!! Kaaranamindri (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScNI3tGta14&feature=related) is such a soulful rendition and an elegant tune!!!
Ellaam thaanaga varuvadhu dhaan endru meendum niroobikkiraar raja.

[raja_fan]

Going by the speed with which IR signs up projects and especially the new directors, I see a great potential come-back of IR to commercial top list, if only he has that old energy and attention to details.
Also the films have to be released - still no clue on Mayilu, Dhanam, Ajantha, SMS etc !! :(

[K]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2008/06/19-illayaraaja-visits-shooting-spot-of-jaganmohini.html


Jagan Mohini

[raja_fan]

IR has earlier visited the shooting location of Malayalam film "Guru".

[raajarasigan]

Chances are more for IR composing music for Kamal's 'Marmayogi'..

In last week's AV, it was mentioned that Kamal will be donning all the major roles such as Story, Screen Play, Dialogue apart from directing the film.

Now the interesting part is he will also be producing this movie on a first copy basis for Pyramid Saimira...

All about Kamal's next project

By Behindwoods News Bureau.

June 20, 2008

Exactly one month after the release of his magnum opus Dasavatharam (June 13th 2008), Kamal Haasan will start working on his next project Marmayogi on July 13, 2008. This film's inaugural pooja will be held at the Grand Hotel in Mumbai. As like Dasavatharam, Marmayogi will also be made in Hindi, Tamil and Telugu simultaneously. Sources close to Kamal say that Marmayogi will be made on a stupefying budget of Rs. 120 crores and the actor will produce the film on a first copy basis for production major Pyramid Saimira. It is believed that Pyramid Saimira was in the race to procure the all India distribution rights of Dasavatharam but could only obtain the rights for Coimbatore area. Perhaps Marmayogi will soothe the ruffled feathers of Pryramid Saimira!


120 kodiya ithula pottuttu, MN eppadi edukka porar... :roll:

illa ithai oru 150 kodikku vikkaraara...

oru velai ippadi irukkomo.. oru velai appadi irukkomo... :wink:

[irir123]

raajarasigan - hasnt kamal already confirmed that ARR is booked for Marmayogi ?

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

dear friends,i went to the studio at 9.00am on 13th with my very good friend jagan.raaja sir came at 9.05.the rhythm section had 3 tabla players one kanjira player and one timimg player.sriram parthasarthy was sitting next to maestro.raaja sir started singing the song and i started accompanying for the pallavi.he liked my style of accompaniment and smiled at me.since i have been listening to him deeply for 32 years i just played according to the tempo and style which he would like.then for the next two charanams and bgm it was he who told us to play according to the lyrics and the feel of the song.for the bgm according to syncobation it has been composed he composed the rhythmic structure.i used two mridangams in the song to add colour to the sruti bedam he has done in the song.
will tell that in my next post.

[balaji]

Arun Sir

Great to see that some one close to IR is sharing their moments. Please do continue. We are all eager.

Alas, there are crores of IR fans (Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam FM listeners), who would love to get some good songs from IR. Unfortunately IR gives poor quality songs, worse than the likes of Srikanth Deva, Imaan etc..

IR have given us more than what we had asked for in the yesteryears. Can't he cajoled to give some melodies that are fresh and arresting? Lot has been written in the page on the flaws of his current music.

Can IR be advised to listen to his fan's requests?

Bala

[nanchil_guy]

Unfortunately IR gives poor quality songs, worse than the likes of Srikanth Deva, Imaan etc..


:omg:

i dont wanna even talk about this man!! but c'mon guys , get out of these lame accusations on IR that he is not giving same quality songs as yester years etc..,

when in mid 90's , some tamil magazine asked the same question " why your recent songs are not as good as you yester years?'

his answer was ' oru thadava thirumba nalla kettu parunga".

[viraajan]

Unfortunately IR gives poor quality songs, worse than the likes of Srikanth Deva, Imaan etc..



Just listen to Abinayam song of UO. Do you think SD or Imman can deliver such a piece...? a big NO. :rant:

I agree that he has not been giving quality songs of late, but then comparing him with these music dirs who haven't given single good album right from the beginning is unacceptable.

Heaven sake, pls dont compare IR with anyone...

[nanchil_guy]

Right now IR is giving a lot of hit songs in malluwood, coz he joins hand with quality directors.did virumaandi,pitha magan disappointed anyone.

how can you expect IR to give hits for the kind of movies he is signing now a days in tamil. even then one or two songs in those hopeless movies are really good.

i dont think , in the recent past anyone else had given melodies like unna vida, elankaathu, enakku piditha paadal, katril varum etc...

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

the song was in sruti 1 and 1/2 composed in rasikapriya.i used 1and 1//2 sruti mridangam for that rasikapriya portion but in the second half of 1st charanam raaja sir has done sruti bedham keeping nishadham as adhara sruti so that the raagam becomes mayamalava gowlai.for that charanam with mayamalavagowlai i used 1 sruti mridangam.all the tabla players also changed the sruti.

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

In the second charanam raaja sir starts with mayamalavagowlai for the first half and changes to rasikapriya in the second half.as i said here also we used two instruments.
The transfromation effect from rasikapriya to mayamalavagowlai is just brilliant when we listen and raaja who is a master of sruti bedham as for as sruti bedham is concerned.

[ARUNPRAKASHKRISHNAN]

sorry for that incomplete and wrong sentence[thanks to my 3 year old kid who also wants to use the key board at the same time as i am typing] .it should be like this
raaja who is a master of sruti bedham as for as film music is concerned has proved it again with a great composition. will post later.

[vel]

Arun Prakash sir - that was really wonderful - great to know about the sruthibedham details - please write more about Uliyin Osai experiences !!

[MrJudge]

Going by the speed with which IR signs up projects and especially the new directors, I see a great potential come-back of IR to commercial top list, if only he has that old energy and attention to details.
Also the films have to be released - still no clue on Mayilu, Dhanam, Ajantha, SMS etc !! :(

Yes, I think with NK, Nandhalala and Ameer's Kannabiran IR will bounce back to the top spot soon.

[sudhakarg]

Thanks Rajasaranam for uploading the UO songs. While I strongly believe in copyright laws, what has happened is that I invariably end up buying original CDs or cassettes (even now :-)) after listening to "freeware" songs. Planning to do the same for UO as well, and am listening to it time & again without the guilt of downloading from the net.

Songs are fantastic. However, what I really seem to miss is the "life" that people like SPB, KJY, SJ bring in (or brought in) to IR's songs. I guess its just too hard to replace them...

[Dragun]

Songs are fantastic. However, what I really seem to miss is the "life" that people like SPB, KJY, SJ bring in (or brought in) to IR's songs. I guess its just too hard to replace them...

KJY's voice shows some age, though SPB still sounds great. No need to replace him.

[raja_fan]

Amitabh Bacchan and Anil Ambani enter in to a JV for film production.
Balki's "Pa" will be one of the four movies which will launch this JV !
Balki told this on NDTV today.

http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/$All/3EA9F27E1E37B0916525747300280FB6?OpenDocument

Hope the big names extract out some chart toppers from IR
:)

[app_engine]

Moved some posts to this new thread:
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=11652

Let's focus only the new IR albums here and keep other digressions elsewhere! Thanks!!

[irir123]

any news on PAZHASSI RAJA ?

[raja_fan]

Pazhassi Raja is a Onam ( September ) release !

[irir123]

and Pazhassi Raja's audio release ?

[kameshratnam]

Following financial troubles, the shooting of Abhiyum Naanum, featuring Trisha and Prakash Raj had been on hold for over a couple of months now.

What would have happened to Mayilu........

[rooky]

UO releasing on the 4th of July.
First Tamil movie release for IR this year.

[rajaalltheway]

after being away from chennai for so long atlast got hold of UO cd.backing Sudhakarg,songs are fantastic,simply wish they were rendered by the veterens.As usual good old school melody like Kallai irunthen will go unnoticed,masterpiece like Pularkindra pozhuthu wont find any takers..but i feel really happy that if required Ayya can do the timetravel to his heydays at will.The tabla and tempo of Azhagi Varra misses only Malaysia Vasudevans voice.

[raja_fan]

K.S.Ravikumar says UO songs are very good !

http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/02/stories/2008070261440200.htm

[MrJudge]

K.S.Ravikumar says UO songs are very good !

http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/02/stories/2008070261440200.htm

Who cares about KSR's views? sozhiyan kudumbi summa aadathu :lol: to make the CM happy, they will talk anything.

[krish244]

Talks about documentary on Jayakanthan and also a short interview with the director.

http://www.flonnet.com/stories/20080718251409300.htm

http://www.flonnet.com/stories/20080718251409200.htm

thanks,

Krishnan

[rooky]

It is strange..Nowadays, we find people like KSR,Rajini,KB etc.. talking about IR but not Kamal...Really strange..

[kameshratnam]

Even in the ads IR's name appears to be in small letters

[nanchil_guy]

Judge You know what? when one mgazine during the period of Thenali shooting asked KSR (after he informed that ARR is the MD) that 'kamalaku rajavathane pidikkum' he replied 'aana makkalukku pidikkanme'.

ennatha solla?

[MrJudge]

Judge You know what? when one mgazine during the period of Thenali shooting asked KSR (after he informed that ARR is the MD) that 'kamalaku rajavathane pidikkum' he replied 'aana makkalukku pidikkanme'.

ennatha solla?

If you try to do what people like but you don't like, there is no end to it. Instead of blaming the people, he can very well say that he doesn't like his music. He talks as if all his movies are hits, and liked by people. :lol: Without stars, he can't even give hits, jalra pasanga!

[app_engine]

Those in TN - did anyone watch UO? How is the BGM?

[viraajan]

Judge You know what? when one mgazine during the period of Thenali shooting asked KSR (after he informed that ARR is the MD) that 'kamalaku rajavathane pidikkum' he replied 'aana makkalukku pidikkanme'.

ennatha solla?

thats really bad and shocking too.... Villain, Godfather, Paarai, Edhiri songs ellam super hitaakkum :evil: Dasavatharam ku yedhuku 1000 km thaandi Himesh a koopidanum :roll:
yedhuku indha vesham, romba over KSR...

[rajasaranam]

Those in TN - did anyone watch UO? How is the BGM?

Padam naalaikku thaan release :)

[app_engine]

Those in TN - did anyone watch UO? How is the BGM?

Padam naalaikku thaan release :)

மு.க. கூப்பிட்டுக்காட்டின 150 பேர்ல ஒரு ஹப்பர் கூட இல்லையா? ஹூம்...

[raja_fan]

Dhanam trailer is out with song clippings..
Nothing extraordinary is the first impression I got..

[thumburu]

viraajan, Himesh was roped in due to his BO pull in NI. IMO HR fulfilled the requirement just OK. Remember, Kamal/Rajini/KSR are worshippers of success , first.