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joe
26th October 2007, 02:03 PM
வசந்தமாளிகை - பாடல்காட்சிகள் வீடியோ

ஓ-மானிட ஜாதியே
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoKC5sMMKb8

மயக்கமென்ன
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV1QUS-Qt4A

இரண்டு மனம் வேண்டும்
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm-ajF3B5zc

யாருக்காக
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gfCfBh3LS0

வசந்த மண்டபம் -காட்சி

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In_R6fSnEaw

leosimha
26th October 2007, 02:49 PM
Can anybody give me the link to download "Ponmagal Vandhaal" song? MP3 as well as Video.

joe
26th October 2007, 03:30 PM
Can anybody give me the link to download "Ponmagal Vandhaal" song? MP3 as well as Video.

Here is the audio
http://www.oosai.com/tamilsongs/sorgam_songs.cfm

leosimha
26th October 2007, 03:38 PM
Can anybody give me the link to download "Ponmagal Vandhaal" song? MP3 as well as Video.

Here is the audio
http://www.oosai.com/tamilsongs/sorgam_songs.cfm

Thank you, Joe. :)

leosimha
26th October 2007, 03:39 PM
Can anybody give me the link to download "Ponmagal Vandhaal" song? MP3 as well as Video.

Here is the audio
http://www.oosai.com/tamilsongs/sorgam_songs.cfm

Thank you, Joe. :)

tacinema
26th October 2007, 07:56 PM
Murali sir,

100% I am confident that both SR and NK ran 200 days.
In 80s my family was living near by sakthi theatre and still I remember the 200 days celebration(though i didn't watch SR).

any how next time when I go to madurai, I will check with theatre office.

by the way still you are not giving your answer to my comments about Thrisoolam success. :)

ie.Thrisoolam vs OTR,MM and VM.

I am expecting your views.... :)

Rajaram,

I think you are in a vicious circle - circling with no escape route. You make pretty strong illogical comparisons - comparing movies released in different years, movies ran in theatres with different seating capacity, and so on. You said the movie SR ran in Sakthi theatre, whose seating capacity is far less than Chintamani, where NT's thirisoolam made a monster run. This comparison makes no sense. In addition, when comparing Thrisoolam vs OTR/MM/VM, can we have the same yardstick? First, as Murali said, they were released in different years. Second, in terms of BO collection, among OTR/MM/VM, I believe only MM gave a head-to-head competition to Thrisoolam.

Murali always comes out with proofs: the date of release, no of days run, no of housefull shows, and so on. When you want to counterargue with Murali, you must have similar details to prove. As a KH fan, you should get more details,at least for Kamal's movie. Otherwise, you need to cool down and enjoy the NT fan's writings.

When you compared Thrisoolam with other movies, you said this:


for example In one business I invested 1rs and got 5rs returns and in another business, I invested 3 rs and got 5rs returns. In both business I got 5rs returns. but profit wise first business is better than second one.

First of all, this analogy does not apply to NT's movies. Even if you mistakenly assumes that it does, for a long-term view, a business man will go with 2nd option: investing 3rs and getting 5rs return. The primary reason is: Getting a well-established brand - NT. In contrast, how many movies the OTR hero survived? where are TR and BRaj now? Only KH is still surviving!

One thing that is astonishing: You bring a band of heroes/movies (OTR,MM,VMayyam, Mohan movies) to counter the fame of NT. Only RK/MGR are missing here. What are you trying to achieve? Are you trying to defame NT? You need to remember this: A lot of NT movies are immortal; by doing what you are doing, the public opinion about NT and his film will never be changed even a bit - instead, your credibility will be at stake.

RR: NT movies even saved theaters in Madurai. Alankar theatre made tons of money in re-releasing VPKattabomman (remember VPK's historic 50+ days run in re-release) and it helped them to completely refurbish the theatre. FYI, Alankar theatre was then owned by my school-mate family.

So, NT is history and in-comparable.

Regards

saradhaa_sn
27th October 2007, 03:15 PM
for example In one business I invested 1rs and got 5rs returns and in another business, I invested 3 rs and got 5rs returns. In both business I got 5rs returns. but profit wise first business is better than second one.
Don't beat me. :)

டியர் ராஜாராம்,

ப.சிதம்பரம் ரேஞ்சுக்கு பொருளாதாரம் பேசுவது அறிந்து மகிழ்ச்சி. பொருளாதாரத்தோடு கொஞ்சம் சரித்திரமும் தெரிந்திருப்பது நல்லது.

அப்போதிருந்த ஒரு 'பெரிய கதாநாயகர்' பல கதாநாயகியரையும், பல வில்லன்களையும் போட்டு, பல்வேறு கிழக்கு ஆசிய நாடுகளில், பல ஆண்டுகள் தயாரிப்பில், பெரும் பொருட்செலவில் ஒரு படம் எடுத்து வெளியிட்டார். அப்படம் மாபெரும் வெற்றிப்படம் என்பதில் இருவேறு கருத்தில்லை.

இன்னொரு 'பெரிய கதாநாயகர்' ஜஸ்ட் ஒரு வீடு செட், ஒரு போலீஸ் ஸ்டேஷன் செட், இரண்டு காக்கிச்சட்டைகள் மட்டுமே அணிந்து 'தங்கப்பதக்கம்' என்ற பெயரில் படம் எடுத்து, நான் முதலில் குறிப்பிட்ட மாபெரும் படத்தின் வசூலை முறியடித்துக்காட்டினார் என்ற சரித்திரம் உங்களுக்கு தெரியுமா?.

உங்களுடைய "ஒரு ரூபாய் முதலீட்டுக்கு ஐந்து ரூபாய் லாபம் பெரிதா? மூணு ரூபாய் முதலீட்டுக்கு ஐந்து ரூபாய் லாபம் பெரிதா?" என்ற தத்துவம் எப்படி ஒர்க் அவுட் ஆகிறது பார்த்தீர்களா?.

கமல்-பாரதிராஜா கூட்டணியில் 'சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்களையும்', கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் 'வாழ்வே மாயத்தையும்' மட்டும் தூக்கிப்பிடிக்கும் நீங்கள், அதே பாரதிராஜா-கமல் கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'டிக் டிக் டிக்' படமும், கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'சட்டம்', 'சவால்' படங்களும் என்ன ஆயின என்று சொன்னால் நல்லது.

Billgates
27th October 2007, 06:47 PM
கமல்-பாரதிராஜா கூட்டணியில் 'சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்களையும்', கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் 'வாழ்வே மாயத்தையும்' மட்டும் தூக்கிப்பிடிக்கும் நீங்கள், அதே பாரதிராஜா-கமல் கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'டிக் டிக் டிக்' படமும், கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'சட்டம்', 'சவால்' படங்களும் என்ன ஆயின என்று சொன்னால் நல்லது.

Saradha_SN

I think Kamal , overall has a better success rate in comparison with Sivaji Ganesan. I went through the site of Ragasuda alaias Raghavendran which shows some 92 movies running 100 days & some 14 odd scoring 175 days. So that total crossing 100 is 114+ and assuming that Sivaji acted around 300 movies ( 300 or 275 or what ?? ), the % of hits to the total noof movies is a pathetic less than 40% which doesnt speak well about his Box office success ! This is indeed a shocking news to me . I was under the impression that Sivaji had a more than 70% success rate. This conclusion of mine is purely based on that ragasuda's data

having scored well below 40% is not the benchmark for a box office king. its apparent, Sivaji is not a box office leader.

Kamal defintely should have a better success rate . Rajaram probably can give stats of Kamal's %

saradhaa_sn
27th October 2007, 07:31 PM
I think Kamal , overall has a better success rate in comparison with Sivaji Ganesan.

Kamal defintely should have a better success rate . Rajaram probably can give stats of Kamal's %

I think என்று பொத்தாம் பொதுவில் சொன்னால் போதாது.

எப்படி திரு.ராகவேந்திரனின் வெப்சைட்டில் இருந்து ஆதாரங்களை கொடுத்தீர்களோ அதுபோல நம்பகமான ஆதரங்களோடு வாருங்கள்.

நண்பர் ராஜாராமின் ஆதாரங்களைப்பற்றி எனக்கு தெரியும். ஏற்கெனவே 146 நாட்களில் அரங்கிலிருந்து அகற்றப்பட்ட படங்களை 200 நாள் பட்டியலில் சேர்த்து விட்டு, அவற்றுக்கு திரு முரளி ஆதாரங்கள் கேட்டவுடன் ஆளைக்காணோம். படம் வெளியான நாளையும், பின்னர் அப்படம் வேறொரு படத்துக்காக அரங்கிலிருந்து அகற்றப்பட்ட நாளையும் முரளி குறிப்பிட்டு, இதற்கு இடைப்பட்ட நட்கள் மட்டும் தானே அப்படம் அங்கு ஓடியிருக்க முடியும் என்று முரளி கேட்டதற்கு, 'நான் தியேட்டர்கார்களிடம் கேட்டேன்' என்று மழுப்பியவர் ராஜாராம். எனவே அவர் தரும் ஆதாரங்கள் எப்படியிருக்கும் என்பது எல்லோருக்கும் தெரிந்தவை.

tacinema
27th October 2007, 09:19 PM
Saradha_SN

I think Kamal , overall has a better success rate in comparison with Sivaji Ganesan. I went through the site of Ragasuda alaias Raghavendran which shows some 92 movies running 100 days & some 14 odd scoring 175 days. So that total crossing 100 is 114+ and assuming that Sivaji acted around 300 movies ( 300 or 275 or what ?? ), the % of hits to the total noof movies is a pathetic less than 40% which doesnt speak well about his Box office success ! This is indeed a shocking news to me . I was under the impression that Sivaji had a more than 70% success rate. This conclusion of mine is purely based on that ragasuda's data

having scored well below 40% is not the benchmark for a box office king. its apparent, Sivaji is not a box office leader.

Kamal defintely should have a better success rate . Rajaram probably can give stats of Kamal's %

BG: You are the one who brought KH name into this thread. What is the need to bring him into NT's thread? It shows your insecurity about KH BO performance. I said insecure because NT is no more and still, you are comparing his BO with KH's. To the core, this comparison does not carry any sense and it is ridiculous.

It is good that you have gone thru ragasuda's NT web site. IMO, Ragasuda/Murali/Saradha are very neutral. Though they are NT fans, they do not hype NT's success because they feel that it is not necessary. NT's success speaks for itself. But, I do not see the same thing from any other fans - they hype their idol for everything. For example, it is KH fans who trumpeted that VV is a blockbuster, though everyone knows that it is just another 100 day movie - that too in A centers only. NT fans would never do that. I am not hurting you here, just bringing some truth out. I would suggest you stop comparing NT with anyone - it wont hurt NT fans, but it will surely hurt you.

I like the comparison of KH's peformance under Balaji banner. It is true that among 3 movies that Balaji produced with KH, only VM was a successful one; the other two were failure/average. It is the same goes with RK. Only Billa was a successful movie and the other one THEE was a failure. So, as Sharada suggested, you need to check the facts before blabbering here.

In Ragasuda's website, have you see a long list of producers/directors who made movies with NT? That itself shows where NT was standing in BO performance.

BTW, when was the last time a KH movie run across all centers in TN? Long long time ago!! As Rajaram said: Dont beat me for this question.

thamiz
27th October 2007, 10:43 PM
I think Kamal , overall has a better success rate in comparison with Sivaji Ganesan.

Kamal defintely should have a better success rate . Rajaram probably can give stats of Kamal's %

I think என்று பொத்தாம் பொதுவில் சொன்னால் போதாது.

எப்படி திரு.ராகவேந்திரனின் வெப்சைட்டில் இருந்து ஆதாரங்களை கொடுத்தீர்களோ அதுபோல நம்பகமான ஆதரங்களோடு வாருங்கள்.

நண்பர் ராஜாராமின் ஆதாரங்களைப்பற்றி எனக்கு தெரியும். ஏற்கெனவே 146 நாட்களில் அரங்கிலிருந்து அகற்றப்பட்ட படங்களை 200 நாள் பட்டியலில் சேர்த்து விட்டு, அவற்றுக்கு திரு முரளி ஆதாரங்கள் கேட்டவுடன் ஆளைக்காணோம். படம் வெளியான நாளையும், பின்னர் அப்படம் வேறொரு படத்துக்காக அரங்கிலிருந்து அகற்றப்பட்ட நாளையும் முரளி குறிப்பிட்டு, இதற்கு இடைப்பட்ட நட்கள் மட்டும் தானே அப்படம் அங்கு ஓடியிருக்க முடியும் என்று முரளி கேட்டதற்கு, 'நான் தியேட்டர்கார்களிடம் கேட்டேன்' என்று மழுப்பியவர் ராஜாராம். எனவே அவர் தரும் ஆதாரங்கள் எப்படியிருக்கும் என்பது எல்லோருக்கும் தெரிந்தவை.

Rajaram's data never have been perfect but he is a nice guy. :D

thamiz
27th October 2007, 10:45 PM
கமல்-பாரதிராஜா கூட்டணியில் 'சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்களையும்', கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் 'வாழ்வே மாயத்தையும்' மட்டும் தூக்கிப்பிடிக்கும் நீங்கள், அதே பாரதிராஜா-கமல் கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'டிக் டிக் டிக்' படமும், கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'சட்டம்', 'சவால்' படங்களும் என்ன ஆயின என்று சொன்னால் நல்லது.



நல்லாயிருக்கே இந்த டிஸ்கசன்! :lol:

thamiz
27th October 2007, 10:55 PM
****I like the comparison of KH's peformance under Balaji banner. It is true that among 3 movies that Balaji produced with KH, only VM was a successful one; the other two were failure/average. It is the same goes with RK. Only Billa was a successful movie and the other one THEE was a failure. So, as Sharada suggested, you need to check the facts before blabbering here. *****

Balaji was more successful with sivaji if you look at the # days run. He is one of the producers who was most successful with sivaji and their chemistry worked out fine.

Billa was a super hit and yes, thee did not do that well but I would not call that as a flop. I think it was average. Then he moved to Kh.

VM was a super hit - was bigger than Billa, sattam was a hit but not a big hit. savaal is a flop I think. Then he went back to rajni and made viduthalai.

I never have seen that movie, viduthalai but it did average business I guess!

joe
29th October 2007, 11:40 AM
Tribute to Nadigar Thilagam - Superb compilation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3604633588006801092

30 mins video .

joe
29th October 2007, 01:19 PM
Why I like 'Thillana Moganambal" -Crazy Mohan

http://www.hindu.com/cp/2007/10/05/stories/2007100550120400.htm

P_R
29th October 2007, 02:21 PM
Crazy :thumbsup:

My favourite SivAji movie ever.

The best of screenplay, casting, performances, music. You name it. What a feast :clap:

As SikkalAr himself 'says' : "Ayiram kaN pOthAdhu"

RajaRam
31st October 2007, 06:56 AM
sorry for the late reply...



Tirusoolam record - no film had broken that HF shows till now and I don't think any film will be able to do that in future also.



One thing is sure. Tirusoolam was the biggest hit of 1979 and all others were far far behind.

Thank you Murali sir for accepting that thrisoolam was big hit in 1979 only. :)
Next year OTR created same record(200 days),VM also created same record(200 days) and MM created new record(2 screen release).



I think you are in a vicious circle - circling with no escape route.


TAC sir,
as per murali sir,SR ran 156 days and NK ran 140 days(still I am not agree on that).so defenitely both of them super hit movies not flop movies.

but some times back you said that viswa roopam(flop movie) ran 100 days in new cinema(murali sir told that it ran 58 days)
I am confident that VR didn't cross even 50 days.but I don't have proof.

now tell me who is in vicious circle - circling with no escape route. :)



You said the movie SR ran in Sakthi theatre, whose seating capacity is far less than Chintamani, where NT's thirisoolam made a monster run

I mentioned SR in non action movies category. I never compared it with Thrisoolam success.
also I mentioned NK for saradha's comments(60? or 80?).



First, as Murali said, they were released in different years.

so what? I never compared thrisoolam with movies which released after 10 years or 20 years.
IMO only one movie can create record in every year. so there is no wrong to compare with those movies which were released in early 80s(just 4 years difference).



First of all, this analogy does not apply to NT's movies. Even if you mistakenly assumes that it does, for a long-term view, a business man will go with 2nd option: investing 3rs and getting 5rs return. The primary reason is: Getting a well-established brand - NT. In contrast, how many movies the OTR hero survived? where are TR and BRaj now?

:) I think you misunderstood.
you should think in producer(he is the investor) point of view. not actor point of view.
In the same BRaj movie(Thavani kanavugal) shivaji did second hero role in 1984.



You bring a band of heroes/movies (OTR,MM,VMayyam, Mohan movies) to counter the fame of NT. Only RK/MGR are missing here. What are you trying to achieve? Are you trying to defame NT?

In late 70s, MGR retired from the cinefield(though USV ran more than 200 days in Meenakshi theatre, it released in 1973. ie 6 years back.)
Thrisoolam released 1979. So I compared with late 70s and early 80s movies.
Rajini movie never crossed 200 days in madurai(big screen) till now.



RR: NT movies even saved theaters in Madurai. Alankar theatre made tons of money in re-releasing VPKattabomman (remember VPK's historic 50+ days run in re-release) and it helped them to completely refurbish the theatre

:)
I know that VPK ran 50 days in early 80s. How could it help to renovate the theatre?
Do you think VPK collected better than OTR(200 days),Mouna keethangal(160 days),kozhi koovudhu(100 days)?
I heard that primary schools arranged special shows to watch VPK.I think that is also one of reason to ran 50 days.
at the same period, Do you know that USV ran 42 days in new cinema?



அப்போதிருந்த ஒரு 'பெரிய கதாநாயகர்' பல கதாநாயகியரையும், பல வில்லன்களையும் போட்டு, பல்வேறு கிழக்கு ஆசிய நாடுகளில், பல ஆண்டுகள் தயாரிப்பில், பெரும் பொருட்செலவில் ஒரு படம் எடுத்து வெளியிட்டார். அப்படம் மாபெரும் வெற்றிப்படம் என்பதில் இருவேறு கருத்தில்லை.

Saradha madam,
you should compare USV with sivandhaman. not with Thangapathakkam. :)
some times back I saw your comments about Vettaikaran VS karnan.

by the way I am expecting your comments in 60 vs 80 battle.



கமல்-பாரதிராஜா கூட்டணியில் 'சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்களையும்', கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் 'வாழ்வே மாயத்தையும்' மட்டும் தூக்கிப்பிடிக்கும் நீங்கள், அதே பாரதிராஜா-கமல் கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'டிக் டிக் டிக்' படமும், கமல்-பாலாஜி கூட்டணியில் வந்த 'சட்டம்', 'சவால்' படங்களும் என்ன ஆயின என்று சொன்னால் நல்லது.

Tick..Tick... ran 125 days in madurai(Sugapriya theatre) - hit
Sattam ran 100 days in madurai(Cinipriya)- super hit
Saval ran 70 days in Madurai(new cinema) - Average.



ஏற்கெனவே 146 நாட்களில் அரங்கிலிருந்து அகற்றப்பட்ட படங்களை 200 நாள் பட்டியலில் சேர்த்து விட்டு, அவற்றுக்கு திரு முரளி ஆதாரங்கள் கேட்டவுடன் ஆளைக்காணோம்

Don't worry. Naan engeyum odida maatten.... :)



ஓடியிருக்க முடியும் என்று முரளி கேட்டதற்கு, 'நான் தியேட்டர்கார்களிடம் கேட்டேன்' என்று மழுப்பியவர் ராஜாராம்.

I said that I am going to ask. not asked..

joe
31st October 2007, 07:37 AM
TAC sir,
as per murali sir,SR ran 156 days and NK ran 140 days(still I am not agree on that).so defenitely both of them super hit movies not flop movies.

This is a best example how people like you twist other's statements ..Did Murali sir say they are flops ..? :omg: ..You guys always relay on readers who don't go through the whole discussion ,but jump by seeing certain posts ..Good tactics..keep it up :x

NOV
31st October 2007, 07:53 AM
Annai Illam

Starring Sivaji Ganesan, Devika, Muthuraman, Ranga Rao, Kannamba, Nagesh, MN Nambiar, OAK Devar, VK Ramasamy etc

Producer: Kamala Pictures
Lyrics: Kannadhasan
Music: KV Mahadevan
Director: P. Madhavan

Paramasivam (Ranga Rao) is a rich man who believes in utmost charity. In the first 3 mins of the film, he gives away all his riches and becomes a destitude. In the meantime, his wife Gowri (Kannamba) is pregnant and is ready for delivery but Paramasivam is unable to collect money for treatment. In a moment of anger he fights with a moneylender and fearing for his life escapes. Nambiar seizes the moment and offers him refuge, saying that his wife had died in childbirth.

Nambiar is involved in smuggling and makes Paramasivam his accomplice. Meanwhile Paramasivam's elder son, Kumar, is raised by him while the new born Shanmugam is raised by Gowri (each unknowing of the other.) All these happens within 10 mins of the film.

Film opens with the grown Kumar (Sivaji) being pampered by his father. He drives to Geetha's (Devika) home who mistakes him as a driver and commands him to take her to college etc. A bemused Kumar plays along and one day deserts her along a lonely road. Angry Geetha attempts to walk off... nadaiyaa idhu nadaiyaa oru naadagam andrO nadakkudhu, idaiyaa idhu idaiyaa adhu illaadhadhu pOl irukkudhu

Geetha, daughter of rich judge VKR later realises the truth and promptly falls in love with Kumar. madi meedhu thalai vaiththu vidiyum varai thoonguvOm, marunaal ezhundhu paarppOm

In the meantime, Kumar meets Shanmugam and they become best of pals. Shanmugam has a girlfriend and in turn he asks Kumar if he has anyone special and if so, to describe her.... ennirandu padhinaaru vayadhu At the end of the song Kumar falls and hits a rock. Shanmugam brings him home and Kumar gets to know of Gowri (to whom he feels a strange affliation.)

Through Kumar, Shanmugam's wedding is arranged for and when the bride's side questions Shanmugam's ancestry, Paramasivam stands guarantee although he has yet to meet Gowri.

Things move fast and the police are on Nambiar's trail. Paramasivam is framed and once again he runs from the police (presumably) killing a constable along the way. He seeks refuge along the corridors of Gowri's house and is shocked to learn that she is alive. Unable to face her, he finally gets caught and is sentenced to death by the same judge friend VKR! In prison Paramasivam reveals the secret to Kumar but extracts a promise not to tell anyone about it.

Gowri chances on a newspaper report and learns that her husband is to die soon! Both mother and son (without the knowledge of Shanmugam) try all means to save the life of Paramasivam, by making appeals right up to the president.
When all fails a dejected Kumar sings sigappu vilakku eriyuthammaa.

In the meantime Shanmugam's in laws are adamant of holding the wedding on the earlier agreed date, which coincidentally is the date Paramasivam is scheduled to hang!

Will the wedding happen? Will Shanmugam learn the truth? What will happen to Paramasivam? To Gowri? To Kumar? See the silver screen for answers! :D

saradhaa_sn
31st October 2007, 08:40 PM
sorry for the late reply...



Tirusoolam record - no film had broken that HF shows till now and I don't think any film will be able to do that in future also.



One thing is sure. Tirusoolam was the biggest hit of 1979 and all others were far far behind.

Thank you Murali sir for accepting that thrisoolam was big hit in 1979 only. :)
Next year OTR created same record(200 days),VM also created same record(200 days) and MM created new record(2 screen release).


Your reply, which seems to tell that "Thirisoolam' was a record in collection only in that particular year 1979. NO...NEVER. It broke all record of collection by all its previous movies. The movies of the actors who were called as 'Emperor of Collection' were all overtook by Thirisoolam. (Whether it is a quality movie or not, whether his performance is well or not, but record is record. Nobody can hide it). If anybody doesnt know about 70s, they can verify with RELIABLE sources from elders.



Next year OTR created same record(200 days),VM also created same record(200 days) and MM created new record(2 screen release).

'ஒருதலைராகம்' மாபெரும் வெற்றிப்படம் என்பதில் எந்த சந்தேகமும் இல்லை.

அதே சமயம் மதுரை போன்ற ஒருசில நகரங்களில் மட்டுமே ஓடிய 'வாழ்வே மாயம்' படங்களையெல்லாம், தமிழ்நாட்டின் பட்டி தொட்டியெங்கும் பட்டையை கிளப்பிக்கொண்டு ஒடி சாதனை புரிந்த 'திரிசூலம்' படத்தோடு ஒப்பிடுவதைக்கான சிரிப்புத்தான் வருகிறது. மதுரை என்ற ஊர் மட்டுமே தமிழ்நாடாகி விடாது. மதுரையில் உள்ள ஒரு தியேட்டரில் 200 நாட்கள் ஓடி விட்டால் போதுமா?.

'திரிசூலம்' படம் தஞ்சாவூர், கும்பகோணம், பட்டுக்கோட்டை, தூத்துக்குடி, நாகர்கோயில் போன்ற சாதாரணமாக மற்ற படங்கள் வெகு சில நாட்கள் மட்டுமே ஓடக்கூடிய ஊர்களில் எல்லாம் நூறு நாட்களைக்கடந்து மிகப்பெரிய வசூலைக்கண்டதே. 'வாழ்வே மாயம்' இந்த ஊர்களில் எத்தனை நாட்கல் ஓடியது என்று சொல்ல முடியுமா.


TAC sir,
as per murali sir,SR ran 156 days and NK ran 140 days(still I am not agree on that).so defenitely both of them super hit movies not flop movies.

but some times back you said that viswa roopam(flop movie) ran 100 days in new cinema(murali sir told that it ran 58 days)
I am confident that VR didn't cross even 50 days.but I don't have proof.

now tell me who is in vicious circle - circling with no escape route. :)
..

I have proof that Viswaroopam crossed more than 100 days. It may not be a superhit movie, but NOT A FLOP MOVIE.

Recently, when I was watching the interview of Singer P.Suseela in TV, in between the interview, they showed some snaps of Suseela from where she was getting awards in various functions. One among them is, she is receiving 100th day shield from actress Sowcar Janaki, for the movie 'Viswaroopam'. The Chief guest was Karunanidhi in that function.

இதையெல்லாம் ஏன் இங்கே சொல்கிறேன்?. நீங்கள் ஒத்துக்கொள்வீர்கள் என்பதற்காகவா. நிச்சயமாக இல்லை. இவற்றை நீங்கள் மட்டும் படிக்கவில்லை. எண்ணற்ற மக்கள் படிக்கிறார்கள். அவர்களுக்கு தெரியட்டும் என்பதற்காகத்தான்.

thamiz
31st October 2007, 09:38 PM
இதையெல்லாம் ஏன் இங்கே சொல்கிறேன்?. நீங்கள் ஒத்துக்கொள்வீர்கள் என்பதற்காகவா. நிச்சயமாக இல்லை. இவற்றை நீங்கள் மட்டும் படிக்கவில்லை. எண்ணற்ற மக்கள் படிக்கிறார்கள். அவர்களுக்கு தெரியட்டும் என்பதற்காகத்தான்.

Very true!

Thanks! :)

saradhaa_sn
1st November 2007, 02:11 PM
for example In one business I invested 1rs and got 5rs returns and in another business, I invested 3 rs and got 5rs returns. In both business I got 5rs returns. but profit wise first business is better than second one.
Don't beat me. :)

டியர் ராஜாராம்,

ப.சிதம்பரம் ரேஞ்சுக்கு பொருளாதாரம் பேசுவது அறிந்து மகிழ்ச்சி. பொருளாதாரத்தோடு கொஞ்சம் சரித்திரமும் தெரிந்திருப்பது நல்லது.

அப்போதிருந்த ஒரு 'பெரிய கதாநாயகர்' பல கதாநாயகியரையும், பல வில்லன்களையும் போட்டு, பல்வேறு கிழக்கு ஆசிய நாடுகளில், பல ஆண்டுகள் தயாரிப்பில், பெரும் பொருட்செலவில் ஒரு படம் எடுத்து வெளியிட்டார். அப்படம் மாபெரும் வெற்றிப்படம் என்பதில் இருவேறு கருத்தில்லை.

இன்னொரு 'பெரிய கதாநாயகர்' ஜஸ்ட் ஒரு வீடு செட், ஒரு போலீஸ் ஸ்டேஷன் செட், இரண்டு காக்கிச்சட்டைகள் மட்டுமே அணிந்து 'தங்கப்பதக்கம்' என்ற பெயரில் படம் எடுத்து, நான் முதலில் குறிப்பிட்ட மாபெரும் படத்தின் வசூலை முறியடித்துக்காட்டினார் என்ற சரித்திரம் உங்களுக்கு தெரியுமா?.

உங்களுடைய "ஒரு ரூபாய் முதலீட்டுக்கு ஐந்து ரூபாய் லாபம் பெரிதா? மூணு ரூபாய் முதலீட்டுக்கு ஐந்து ரூபாய் லாபம் பெரிதா?" என்ற தத்துவம் எப்படி ஒர்க் அவுட் ஆகிறது பார்த்தீர்களா?.




Saradha madam,
you should compare USV with sivandhaman. not with Thangapathakkam.

ஒரு மாபெரும் வெற்றிப்படமென்று அறியப்பட்ட 'உ.சு.வா' படத்தை, சரியாக ஓடாத படமென்றும், வசூலாகாத படமென்றும், சுமாரான படமென்றும் (உங்களைப்போன்றவர்களால்) அழைக்கப்பட்ட 'சிவந்த மண்' படத்தோடுதான் ஒப்பிட வேண்டுமே தவிர, 'தங்கப்பதக்கம்' என்ற மாபெரும் வெற்றிப்படத்தோடு ஒப்பிடக்கூடாது என்கிறீர்கள். அப்படியென்றால் அத்தகைய ஒப்பீட்டுக்கு 'உ.சு.வா' தகுதியில்லையென்று நினைக்கிறீர்களா?. நீங்கள் இப்படி சொல்வது எத்தனை எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.ரசிகர்கள் மனதை புண்படுத்தும் தெரியுமா?.

நன்ன் 'உ.சு.வா' படத்தையும் 'தங்கப்பதக்கம்' படத்தையும் ஒப்பிட்டதற்கு காரணமே, 'ஒரு ரூபாய் முதலீட்டுக்கு ஐந்து ரூபாய் லாபம் பெரிதா? அல்லது மூன்று ரூபாய் முதலீட்டுக்கு ஐந்து ரூபாய் லாபம் பெரிதா?' என்று ஒரு தத்துவம் சொன்னீர்களே. அதைப்பற்றி விளக்கத்தான்.

வசூலில் இரண்டு படங்களூமே சாதித்திருந்தாலும், ஒரு உ.சு.வா' படச்செலவில் மூன்று 'தங்கப்பதக்கம்' தயாரித்து விடலாம் என்பது உண்மையல்லவா?.

Billgates
1st November 2007, 02:22 PM
Sharadha_SN

WHen Rajaram wanted to compare USV with SIvandhaman means, both have been made overseas to a larger extent & hence the comparison is inevitable.
Thangapadhakkam is a wonderful family melodrama & has a gripping emotional storyline of Father-Son confrontation.
Whereas USV is out and out 100 % commercial entertainer.

Hope you are clear now.

Billgates
1st November 2007, 02:22 PM
Sharadha_SN

WHen Rajaram wanted to compare USV with SIvandhaman means, both have been made overseas to a larger extent & hence the comparison is inevitable.
Thangapadhakkam is a wonderful family melodrama & has a gripping emotional storyline of Father-Son confrontation.
Whereas USV is out and out 100 % commercial entertainer.
I presume, this was what Rajaram wished to eonvey.

Hope you are clear now.

joe
1st November 2007, 04:22 PM
Video of a song from NTR's last Telugu movie 'Major Chandrakanth' ,He potrayed many patriotics like Chathrapathi Sivaji ,Kattabomman..

http://vinaiooki.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post.html

There are pictures of patriots on the wall ..For Chathrapathi sivaji ,It is NT's Still from Raman Eththanai Raamanadi :D

tacinema
1st November 2007, 08:24 PM
Sharadha_SN

WHen Rajaram wanted to compare USV with SIvandhaman means, both have been made overseas to a larger extent & hence the comparison is inevitable.
Thangapadhakkam is a wonderful family melodrama & has a gripping emotional storyline of Father-Son confrontation.
Whereas USV is out and out 100 % commercial entertainer.

Hope you are clear now.


Sharadha_SN

WHen Rajaram wanted to compare USV with SIvandhaman means, both have been made overseas to a larger extent & hence the comparison is inevitable.
Thangapadhakkam is a wonderful family melodrama & has a gripping emotional storyline of Father-Son confrontation.
Whereas USV is out and out 100 % commercial entertainer.
I presume, this was what Rajaram wished to eonvey.
Hope you are clear now.

Billgates: First of all: Do not presume anything. If you are 100% sure, then you post it; otherwise don't. This applies to Rajaram also - RR also often uses words such as "i think" or "i heard". Avoid such unsure writing - and by repeatedly doing so, even after justification, you are getting into loosely defined arguments with NT fans. This thread is meant for glorifying NT - it has a place for criticisms, but what you are doing is non-stop and useless arguments, which contains full of deliberate and well-orchestrated lies. This thread is definitely not meant for your purpose. If you have got a problem with NT, his movies and his fans, then open a correct thread and we will thrash out there. Good luck for your hidden agenda and you will not succeed.

BTW, yours and Rajaram's writing style and language sound very identical. Are you both same person? or twin brothers? We used to have another NT-hater (username starting with "N"). Are you an incarnation of that personality?

For your unreasonable arguments about NT, I will give my response very soon. Try to lean and appreciate great personalities - NT is one such towering giant, achieved himalayan success that cannot be defamed.

Billgates
2nd November 2007, 09:58 AM
Tacinema Sar,

Sometime back you glorified that Sivaji Ganesan is the king of box office and has an extrordinary BO record. I pointed out after going through Ragasudha's website that Sivaji's overall record is a pathetic below 40% success rate. As a SEASONED critic, are you still justifying the below 40% record of Sivaji Ganesan ?
Q2 : Murali Srinivasa and you have been giving most of the stats on Madurai region only. Probably you both dont have anything significant to mention on other centres ?
Or in your opinion, Madurai is the MAIN ZONE for determining the BO success of Sivaji Ganesan ?
Take a breather and come back.

joe
2nd November 2007, 10:18 AM
Billgates,
whether you accept or not NT was a king of BO .Few reasons are..

* His rival Makkal Thilagam entered cinema atleast 10 years before NT entered cinema .But when Makkal Thilagam completed his 135 fims ,NT already crossed 225.

* When NT was in peak ,the average gap between releases was just 50 days ..Few occassions his 2 movies released on same day and both ran successfully.

* NT was an actor never bother to release his movies without giving gap to his next movie release purposely ..many of his movies released when his previous movie successfully running for less than 50 days and NT's BO power made both movies run successfully

* NT has many BO track records smashed all previous BO records.

* He didn't even need a commericial movie to make wonders in Box office ..Family oriented movies like Pasamalar ,Paavamannipu ,Paagapirivinai made wonders in BO.

* Even in second and third releases ,His movies like VKP ,Vasantha Maaligai ,Deiva Magan ,Gowrawan did wonders in BO.

He was indeed a king in BO.

rajeshkrv
2nd November 2007, 10:56 AM
I still cant understand the necessity for comparison

MGR and NT were 2 big kings of TFM in that ERA and this comparison is not required at all........

This will lead to unwarranted arguments ...

Even after many attempts people are still doing the same including moderators which is more surprising

joe
2nd November 2007, 11:39 AM
Rajeshkrv,
MGR was also a KING in Box office ..Nobody denies.

But,do you have any clue what rajaram and Billgates trying here :huh:

I didn't compare BO power of MGR and NT ,but given a idea of no of movies done by both in same period ,which also could be considered to scale NT BO capacity.

NT kooda MGR-a thaan compare panna mudiyum ,muthuraman-aya compare panna mudiyum ?

Instead why can't you see a hidden agenda of MGR fan Rajaram and NT hater Billgates here? :huh:

rajeshkrv
2nd November 2007, 12:44 PM
compare pannave vendame

idhai thaan naan sonnen


adhu yaara irundha enna

Murali Srinivas
2nd November 2007, 01:14 PM
Just now received a sad news that Kamala Ammal wife of NT passed away in Chennai today. Was not well and admitted to the hospital it seems. Other details are awaited.

May her soul rest in peace.

Regards

Thirumaran
2nd November 2007, 01:17 PM
Very Sad :( RIP.

joe
2nd November 2007, 01:26 PM
கமலாம்மாள் ஆன்மா சாந்தி அடைவதாக! :(

joe
2nd November 2007, 01:28 PM
சிவாஜிகணேசனின் துணைவி கமலா அம்மாள் காலமானார்

சென்னை : நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி கணேசனின் துணைவி கமலா அம்மாள். உடல் நலம் பாதிக்கப்பட்டு சிகிச்சை பெற்று வந்த கமலா அம்மாள் சென்னையில் இன்று காலமானார். இதையடுத்து அவரது உடலுக்கு உறவினர்கள், திரையுலக பிரமுகர்கள் அஞ்சலி செலுத்தி வருகிறார்கள்.

-தினமலர்

mr_karthik
2nd November 2007, 01:31 PM
I still cant understand the necessity for comparison

MGR and NT were 2 big kings of TFM in that ERA and this comparison is not required at all........

This will lead to unwarranted arguments ...

Even after many attempts people are still doing the same including moderators which is more surprising

Mr. Rajesh...

If you go through the recent pages, you can clearly understand who started comparison. They are none other than Rajaram and Billgates.

When Murali Sreenivas was giving details only about NT's successful movies in Madurai City, these two hubbers unnecessarily bring the comparison about Oruthalairaagam, Vazhve Mayam, Nenjathai killaathe etc...etc... which were never touched by Murali. When they are purposely giving attack on NT movies, why should NT fans keep quit..?.

Thatswhy, Murali, Joe, Saradha, Tacinema have been pushed to give suitable replies. You are being a long time hubber, very well know that we, NT fans stopped the comparisons long back at the end of Part-1 and we are now running in Part-3, just talking purely about NT movies only.

But it is a regular practice that, the name of NT is being damaged by "somebody" in equal intervals in this thread.

Still I cant understand why Mr. Billgates toooooooo much worry about the 40% success rate of NT movies. He has the reference from Ragasuda's website and bring the details here about NT. But what about others?. Does he has any evidence to prove that others have more success rate than NT..?.

Rajesh, again I am telling we NT fans, did not start comparison here. But if any other person give wrong informations about NT, do you want us to keep quit, to get the name 'Shivaji fans are speechless'..?. Do you know how pathetic they are comparing Mohan's movies with NT's..?.

mr_karthik
2nd November 2007, 01:54 PM
Really very sad news to all the Shivaji and Prabhu fans.

We lost our second mother.

joe
2nd November 2007, 02:02 PM
சென்னை: நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி கணேசனின் மனைவி கமலா அம்மாள் சென்னையில் இன்று மரணமடைந்தார்.

நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி கணேசனின் மனைவி கமலா அம்மாள். சிவாஜி கணேசன் இறந்தது முதலே அவருடைய நினைவாக சோகத்துடன் இருந்து வந்தார். வெளி நிகழ்ச்சிகள் எதிலும் அவர் பங்கேற்பதில்லை.

சென்னை கடற்கரையில் நடந்த சிவாஜி கணேசன் சிலை திறப்பு விழா மற்றும் சந்திரமுகி படத்தின் வெற்றி விழா ஆகியவற்றில் மட்டுமே அவர் பங்கு கொண்டார்.

வீட்டோடு இருந்து வந்த கமலா அம்மாளுக்கு சில நாட்களாக உடல் நலம் சரியில்லாமல் இருந்து வந்தது. மருத்துவமனையில் அவர் அனுமதிக்கப்பட்டிருந்தார். இந்த நிலையில் இன்று காலை அவருக்கு மாரடைப்பு ஏற்பட்டது. இதையடுத்து அவர் மரணமடைந்தார்.

கமலா அம்மாளுக்கு வயது 68. அவருக்கு நடிகர் பிரபு, தயாரிப்பாளரான ராம்குமார் என இரு மகன்களும், 2 மகள்களும் உள்ளனர்.

காலை 10.50 மணிக்கு கமலா அம்மாள் உயிர் பிரிந்தபோது குடும்பத்தினர் அனைவரும் அருகிலேயே இருந்தனர்.

அவரது உடல் தி.நகர் போக் சாலையில் உள்ள வீட்டுக்கு எடுத்துச் செல்லப்பட்டு, அங்கு பொதுமக்கள் அஞ்சலிக்காக வைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.

நடிகர்கள் ரஜினிகாந்த், கமல்ஹாசன் ஆகியோர் கமலா அம்மாள் மறைவுச் செய்தியைக் கேட்டதும் மருத்துவமனைக்கு விரைந்து சென்று குடும்பத்தினருக்கு ஆறுதல் கூறினர்.

சிவாஜி கணேசன் வீட்டில் திரையுலகினர் பலரும் திரண்டுள்ளனர். கமலா அம்மாளுக்கு அஞ்சலி செலுத்தி வருகின்றனர்.


http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2007/11/02/tn-kamala-ammal-passes-away.html

saradhaa_sn
2nd November 2007, 02:36 PM
அண்ணி....

அண்ணனைக் காணச்சென்று விட்டீர்களா?. நீங்கள் பெற்ற நான்கு பிள்ளைகளுக்கு மட்டுமா தாயாக இருந்தீர்கள்?. என்னைப்போன்ற லட்சக்கணக்கான சிவாஜி ரசிகர் / ரசிகைகளுக்கும் தாயாக இருந்தீர்களே.

அண்ணனின் எத்தனை பிறந்த நாளில் நானும் என்கணவரும் அண்ணனிடம் ஆசி பெற வரும்போது, நெற்றி நிறைந்த குங்குமத்தோடு மகாலட்சுமியாய் இருப்பீர்களே. வாய் நிறைந்த புன்னகையோடு பேசுவீர்களே. அவற்றையெல்லாம் அந்த 2001 ஜூலை 21 பறித்துக்கொண்டபிறகு, பொட்டில்லாத பாழ் நெற்றியோடு உங்களைப் பார்க்க தைரியமில்லாமல் இருந்தேன். இருந்தாலும் அண்ணனின் சிலை திறப்பு விழாவின் போது, தூரத்தில் இருந்து உங்களைப்பார்த்து கண்ணீர் விட்டேன். அந்தக் கண்ணீர் வற்றுவதற்குள் மீண்டும் கண்ணீர் விட வைத்த இயற்கையை என்னவென்று சொல்வது?.

அண்னனிடம் சொல்லுங்கள். இன்னும் அவரை நினைத்துக்கொண்டே இருக்கிறோம்.

அவரையும் உங்களையும் காண வந்துகொண்டே இருக்கிறோம்.

கண்ணீருடன்...சாரதா...

crajkumar_be
2nd November 2007, 03:00 PM
RIP :(

selvakumar
2nd November 2007, 04:20 PM
:shock: May her soul rest in peace :(

Billgates
2nd November 2007, 07:52 PM
Heartfelt condelences. May her soul rest in peace.

tacinema
2nd November 2007, 11:11 PM
My heartfelt condolences to NT family. May her soul rest in peace.

Could someone, who knows about Kamalammal, write a brief note here? Saradha madam can help here.

Long live NT legacy!!!

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
3rd November 2007, 08:39 AM
[tscii:af33e74984]http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/03/stories/2007110353470400.htm


Actor Kamal Haasan, a close associate of the family, paid homage at the hospital, before the body was brought to the actors’ residence. He later told The Hindu over phone that her passing away was a personal loss. “I am grateful that she passed away after her husband expired, or the man could not have coped with her loss. They were such an intimate couple. I saw their love for each other grow beautifully over the years,” he said.

“She made sure that actors like us, who would not speak a word in front of Sivaji Ganesan, felt at ease. I played some of my films such as ‘Virumandi’ in her house and she gave me very honest, valuable feedback,” he said, adding, “She is the first lady in the history of Tamil culture.”



RIP[/tscii:af33e74984]

tfmlover
3rd November 2007, 10:00 AM
heartfelt condolences
hope both reconnected in a much better place
eternally at rest
http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/tfmlover1/NT%20in%20Singapore/
(small clip of both together onstage )
regards

abkhlabhi
3rd November 2007, 02:08 PM
My heartfelt condolences to NT family. May her soul rest in peace

saradhaa_sn
3rd November 2007, 03:05 PM
'ஆலயமணி'. 'கொடுத்து வைத்தவள்' பட ஷுட்டிங் அடுத்தடுத்த செட்களில் நடந்துகொண்டிருந்தபோது, மதிய உணவு இடைவேலையில் சிவாஜி, எம்ஜியாரை தன்னுடன் சேர்ந்து வீட்டிலிருந்து வந்த உணவை சாப்பிட அழைக்க, அவரும் சாப்பிட்டார். அந்த மீன்குழம்பு ருசி அவர் மனதிலேயே தங்கியிருந்தது.

பின்னொரு நாளில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., நடிகர் திலகத்தின் வீட்டுக்கு போன் செய்து "கமலா, இன்னைக்கு எனக்கு மீன்குழம்பு சாப்பிடனும் போல ஆசையா இருக்கு. செஞ்சு அனுப்புறியா?" என்று கேட்க, கமலா அம்மாவும் தன் வீட்டு வேலையாளை மார்க்கெட்டுக்கு அனுப்பி விலை உயர்ந்த ருசியான மீனை வாங்கி வரச்செய்து, சமைத்து ஒரு பெரிய சட்டியில் வைத்து காரில் அனுப்பி வைத்தார். வழக்கம்போல எம்.ஜி.ஆர். சத்யா ஸ்டுடியோவில் தன்னுடைய நண்பர்களுடன் ருசித்து சாப்பிட்டார்.

சிறிது நேரத்தில் மீண்டும் நடிகர்திகத்தின் வீட்டுக்கு போன் வந்தது பேசியவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.தான். கமலா அம்மாவை அழைத்து "கமலா, நீ அனுப்பிய மீன்குழம்பு ரொம்ப பிரமாதம். தம்பி (சிவாஜி) ஏன் இவ்வளவு குண்டாக இருக்கிறான்னு இப்பதான் எனக்கு காரணம் புரியுது" என்று சொல்லி சிரித்தார்.

joe
5th November 2007, 11:33 AM
மறைந்த சிவாஜி மனைவி பற்றி டிடி துரை

November 3rd, 2007 மறைந்த நடிகர் திலகத்தின் மனைவியான திருமதி கமலா நேற்றுக் காலை மாரடைப்பால் சென்னை இசபெல்லா மருத்துவமனையில் காலமானார்.
அந்தக் குடும்பத்துக்குச் சிறந்த நண்பராக விளங்கிய தேசிய சிறுநீரக அறநிறுவனத்தின முன்னாள் தலைமைச் செயலாளரான திரு டிடி துரையைத் தமிழ் முரசு தொடர்பு கொண்டு பேசிய போது, சிவாஜி எங்கு சென்றாலும் அவர் தம் மனைவி கமலாவை அழைத்துச் செல்வது வழக்கம் என்றார்.
தாம் சிவாஜியோடு பழகியதிலிருந்து தமக்குத் தெரிந்தவரை இதை நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி 40 ஆண்டுகளாகச்
செய்து வந்துள்ளதாக திரு துரை கூறுகிறார்.
தாம் சென்ற வாரம் சென்னை சென்றதாகவும் அங்கு நடிகர் திலகத்தின் துணைவியாரைச் சந்தித்துப் பேசியதாகக் கூறினார்.
அப்பொழுது நடிகர் திலகம் அவர்கள் பல கதாநாயகிகளுடன் நடித்தது உங்களால் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடிந்ததா என்று வினவியதாகக் கூறினார் திரு துரை.
அதற்குப் பதிலளித்த திருமதி கமலா சிவாஜி, தாம் அதிகம் படிக்காதவர் என்றும், ஆனால் தமது கணவர் தம்மை எங்கு சென்றாலும் அழைத்துச் சென்றதைத் தம்மால் மறக்க முடியாது என்றும் கூறியதாகத் தெரிவித்தார்.
மேலும், தம் கணவர் எங்கு சென்றார், எப்பொழுது வீடு வந்து சேர்வார் என்று தாம் என்றுமே கேட்டதில்லை என்று திருமதி கமலா கூறினார்.
பின்னர் நடிகர் திலகம் தம்மிடம் ஒரு சமயம் கூறியதையும் திரு டிடி துரை நினைவுகூர்ந்தார்.
நடிகர் திலகம், தம்மீது தமது மனைவி கமலா அபரிமிதமான நம்பிக்கை வைத்திருப்பதாலேயே அவரை விட்டு விட்டு வெளியிடங்களுக்குச் செல்வதில் தமக்கு ஒருவிதக் குற்ற உணர்வு இருந்ததாகக் கூறினார்.
மேலும், தமது மனைவிக்குத் தெரியாமல் வாழ்க்கையில் வழி தவறிப் போவதற்குத் தமக்குப் பெருமளவு வாய்ப்புகள் இருந்தபோதிலும் தம்மால் அப்படிப் போக மனமில்லை என்று திரு சிவாஜி கூறியதாகத் திரு துரை தெரிவித்தார்
http://tamilmurasu.tamil.sg/2007-11-03-frontpage-782-tamil.htm

joe
7th November 2007, 08:54 AM
Life act, Chevalier style
EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE -1998

http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19980410/10050404.html

Murali Srinivas
7th November 2007, 03:05 PM
ANAIVARUKKUM INIYA DEEPAVALI NAL VAZHUTHUKKAL


Regards

joe
7th November 2007, 03:08 PM
நடிகர் திலகத்தின் ரசிகர்கள் மற்றும் அனைவருக்கும் உளம் கனிந்த தீபாவளி நல் வாழ்த்துக்கள்!

Billgates
8th November 2007, 09:14 AM
Here is the Diwali bonanza for our dear Sivaji Ganesan fans :
http://www.techsatish.com/2007/11/kapalootiya-thamilan-tamil-movie.html

Link for Kappalottiya thamizan , a wonderful movie wherein Sivaji plays the characte of the great freedom fighter VOC. WE will get to know more about Mr. VOC through this movie . His son himself has acknowledged that he could visualize his Father through the superb characterisation of Sivaji Sir.

Movies like this really deserve a National Award. And movies like this only deserve to be a box office succes and not the likes of Thirusoolam which actually is a disgrace for Sivaji Ganesan.
Why SIvaji didnot get a National award for KOT ??

saradhaa_sn
8th November 2007, 12:33 PM
Here is the Diwali bonanza for our dear Sivaji Ganesan fans :
http://www.techsatish.com/2007/11/kapalootiya-thamilan-tamil-movie.html

Link for Kappalottiya thamizan , a wonderful movie wherein Sivaji plays the characte of the great freedom fighter VOC. WE will get to know more about Mr. VOC through this movie . His son himself has acknowledged that he could visualize his Father through the superb characterisation of Sivaji Sir.

Movies like this really deserve a National Award. And movies like this only deserve to be a box office succes and not the likes of Thirusoolam which actually is a disgrace for Sivaji Ganesan.
Why SIvaji didnot get a National award for KOT ??

Thanks for your acknowledgement.

But 'Kappalottiya Thamizhan' did not get any National Award, either for a Best Movie or for a Best Actor.

At the same time our Tamil audience also made this film as BIG FLOP (not even run for 70 days). Failure of this kind of movies only made the good directors like Pandhulu to move towards 'masala films'. My father tells that, when Kappalottiya Thamizhan was running, even Congress partymen wearing 'kadhar shirts' where standing in the que of 'Thaayai kaatha thanayan'. What is the use use of praising now that, KOT is a good movie and Shivaji's best performance..??. During the release time, producer and distributors were fully affected with loss, because of our people's negligence towards this movie.

So,

Our Tamil audience (who made KOT as a Flop Movie)

and

Our Government (who neglected KOT and VOC (shivaji) not to give any awards)

are fully responsible for the production of the movies like 'Thirisoolam'.

Billgates
8th November 2007, 01:08 PM
Saradha-SN

When KOT was released, the State Govt & Union govt was Congress. Am I right ? If yes, then its a big politics that someone in Congress who didnt like Sivaji Ganesan must have played the spoilt. Wonder why even Mr. Kamraj or Rajaji didnt push for a National Award for Sivaji for this movie ?
First of all, there is no need for pushing this character for a National award as Sivaji Sir has given a terrific performance but atleast Kamraj should have done something to get the award as he was another freedom fighter and a Congress CM once in TN.
Can someone tell which movie / actor got national award that year ?

Billgates
8th November 2007, 01:25 PM
Also , wish to analyse movies of Sivaji Ganesan which really deserve a National award

1. Kappal ottiya thamizan - for having portrayed the life of great Frredom fighter VOC
2. Veera Pandiya KB
Same as above
3. Navarathri
9 dimentional acting exhibition, a wonderful display , unmatched by anyone. Even Sanjiv Kumar struggled in Hindi version and was looking listless
4. Parasakthi
Turmoils of a youngster who was forced to face diametrically opposite life & challenges
5. Thangapadhakkam
SIncere police offier for whom duty is paramount though he is full of emotions as well towards son and beloved wife. Ultimately even kills his son for the country
6. Guaragam
Bruised ego of an extraordinary Barrister at Law , plethora of emotions, even goes to the extent of throwing out his successor

Can someone list further pls ?

Billgates
8th November 2007, 01:25 PM
Also , wish to analyse movies of Sivaji Ganesan which really deserve a National award

1. Kappal ottiya thamizan - for having portrayed the life of great Frredom fighter VOC
2. Veera Pandiya KB
Same as above
3. Navarathri
9 dimentional acting exhibition, a wonderful display , unmatched by anyone. Even Sanjiv Kumar struggled in Hindi version and was looking listless
4. Parasakthi
Turmoils of a youngster who was forced to face diametrically opposite life & challenges
5. Thangapadhakkam
SIncere police offier for whom duty is paramount though he is full of emotions as well towards son and beloved wife. Ultimately even kills his son for the country
6. Guaravam
Bruised ego of an extraordinary Barrister at Law , plethora of emotions, even goes to the extent of throwing out his successor

Can someone list further pls ?

Billgates
8th November 2007, 01:26 PM
Also , wish to analyse movies of Sivaji Ganesan which really deserve a National award

1. Kappal ottiya thamizan - for having portrayed the life of great Frredom fighter VOC
2. Veera Pandiya KB
Same as above
3. Navarathri
9 dimentional acting exhibition, a wonderful display , unmatched by anyone. Even Sanjiv Kumar struggled in Hindi version and was looking listless
4. Parasakthi
Turmoils of a youngster who was forced to face diametrically opposite life & challenges
5. Thangapadhakkam
SIncere police offier for whom duty is paramount though he is full of emotions as well towards son and beloved wife. Ultimately even kills his son for the country
6. Guaravam
Bruised ego of an extraordinary Barrister at Law , plethora of emotions, even goes to the extent of throwing out his successor

Can someone list further pls ?

tacinema
10th November 2007, 07:52 AM
1. deiva magan - the best multi-role movie in tamil film industry. A dream role for NT - beautifully and elegantly done
2. bagaprivinai - a challenging role for NT - beautiful and megahit movie. I heard hindi actor (name??) could not make it to the mark as NT and he admitted it
3. karnan - what should I write about this evergreen wonder? Much has been written about it and our future generations, like our generation, would still analyze the movie and NT's performance. A performance cannot be copied
4. Savale samaali - Nice and simple movie. A subtle performance from NT

tacinema
10th November 2007, 07:58 AM
Where are NT fans?

One question: Which NT movie got the most repeat audience - from NT fans and public?

My guess is that it should be one of these: gaurvam, deiva magan, vasantha maaligai, patikkada pattanama or uththama puthiran. Murali or Saradha madam can shed more light on this topic

lovedeva_pj
11th November 2007, 08:04 PM
Sivaji got the Indian national awards
padmasiri
Padmabushan

Is he got Bharatretna award or padmavibhushana

Bharatretna is the most highst national award in India

Hierecht list in order

bharatnawaard
Padmavibhoshanan
Padmabushan
padmasri

==========================================
Please vist the web for oldies

http://www.goldentamilcinema.com/

kamath
12th November 2007, 11:10 AM
If I remember right, KOT fared badly in its first reelease, but didn't well when it was re-released.

I guess sivaji did not get the national award simply bcos of the congress rule.

Moopanar for one was known for his anti sivaji stance & I guess he was one of the influences denying him the award.

But surprising why rajaji/kamaraj did not recommend for him?

joe
12th November 2007, 12:13 PM
But surprising why rajaji/kamaraj did not recommend for him?

காமராஜர் தனது சொந்த சகோதரியின் பேரனுக்கே மருத்துவ படிப்பு இடத்துக்கு சிபாரிசு செய்ய மறுத்து விட்ட கதையெல்லாம் நீங்க படிக்கல்லியா? :)

kamath
12th November 2007, 12:35 PM
Do not want to get into arguments, but kamaraj was not wholly what U make him out to be.

Billgates
12th November 2007, 01:07 PM
Some exhaustive information on Shri VOC :

http://www.tamilnation.org/hundredtamils/voc.htm

From the one and only Sivaji Sir about the role :

Among the 300 films which was Sivaji's favourite? Pat came the answer from Sivaji, 'Kappalottiya Thamizhan''. Enacting a doctor, an engineer and others are not very difficult. But to portray a person, a revered freedom fighter, whom people had met, seen and moved with, is a different proposition. So when the late Panthulu asked me to enact the role, I first hesitated. Then I decided to meet the challenge. I got all the material on V. O. Chidambaram Pillai and studied it. 'On seeing the film, I cried, not because my performance was moving but because it hit me with new impact - the sacrifice VOC and others had made for the country. When VOC's son Subramaniam said that he saw his father come alive on the screen, I considered it the highest award

Another link :
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2001/07/27/stories/09270226.htm

In my opinion, one should have great guts to do such roles . This is the life of a freedom fighter wherein no masala or thrill or stunt is involved. Here comes the real greatness of Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan . What a movie !
The records should be rewritten .
Today anyone can do such roles ?? IMPOSSIBLE .
First of all, nobody will take such a risk producing such movies which arouse passion & devotion towards one's nation.

joe
12th November 2007, 02:14 PM
Do not want to get into arguments, but kamaraj was not wholly what U make him out to be.

I am curious ,Pls PM me what is wrong ,if you don't mind. :)

Murali Srinivas
12th November 2007, 06:08 PM
Oru Vatta seyalalar ninaithal oru District collector-iye transfer panna mudiyum endra nilayil kadandha 40 varudangalaga vazhunthu kondirukkum Tamizhaga makkal, Perunthalaivar-i patriyum athe pole karuthu kondripathil acharyam ondrum illai Joe.

As you had pointed out many are not even aware how the golden rule of PT was adminstrated during 1954-63. One incident that comes to my mind immediately is when PT had gone on a tour of southeren districts (when he was the CM), he came to Virudhunagar and visited his ailing mother. Inside the house he found a water tap. He enquired about it with his mother. " Thannee kuzhai veetukku veliye irundhuchpa. Ennala ange poye edukka mudiyalai. Andha enginner thambikitta sonnen.Ullaye oru kuzhai vachu koduthittar". You know what PT did immediately? He suspended the engineer and saw to it the water connection was disconnected on the spot. Appadipatta Thalaivar oru thiraipada virudhu-virkaga recommend seivathavathu? If I start talking about awards coupled with recommendation then it will lead to unnecessary controversies.That's why I never talk about awards when it comes to NT.

Regards

PS: Joe, 1961-il, forget about AICC or TNCC, even Thanjavur district Congress commity-il oru urupinaraga kooda illatha oruvar thaduthathalthan NT-kku award kidaikavillai endru solbavarigalidum poye neengal PT patri ellam ketkereergale ?

joe
12th November 2007, 08:40 PM
Murali sir,
You are absolutely right...

Fore those who don't know the greatness of PerumThalaivar ,pls read many articles on PT here..

http://kamaraj101.blogspot.com/

Collection of many incidents with PT (including the one mentioned by Murali sir)

Naadu Paarthathunda
Intha Naadu Parthathunda
Than veedu paarkkamal vazhvum paarkkamal
intha naadu munnera NaaLum uzhaththavanai
Naadu Parthathunda!

Murali Srinivas
12th November 2007, 08:42 PM
[tscii:81779012df]This came in Malayala Manorama where Mohanlal fondly remembers about NT. Lal who was always called as “Mappilai” by NT, talks about NT, the person.


http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?contentType=EDITORIAL&programId=1073753987&articleType=Malayalam%20News&contentId=3158429&BV_ID=@@@

I have tried to translate this to the best of my knowledge. Pardon me if there are any mistakes.

Lal starts this article by describing his visit to Annai Illam. Here it goes

Sivaji sir ovvoru araikkum en kai pidthu kooti kondu ponar. Thongi kondirundha natchathira vilakkul, suvaril maati irundha periya pugaipadangal, araiyai alangaritha kalaiporutgal matrum anbalipugal (he means gifts) ivatrai ellam oru china kuzhandhai-yin manobavathodu paarthu kondu nadandhu ponen.

Sivaji sir-in miga periya bungalow adhu. Andha neram en manaivi suchi ( Suchitra D/o Balajee) ange illai. Engo veru oru araiyil irundhal endru ninaikiren. Naan sonnavai ellam aval paarkavillai endre thondrukirathu. Sivaji sir-in kai viral kulirchi mattume en manadhil niraindhirundhadhu. Vaazhkaiyil enakku kidaitha miga periya parisu andha viralgalum adhan sparisamum.

Sivaji sir studio-virkku varuvadhai paarthirukiren. Avar varum pothu ella padapidippum oru nimidam nindru pogum.Avar pogum vazhiyil anaivarum ezhundhu nindru avarai kai koopi vanaguvaargal. Avar vandhu povathe oru Raja varuvadhu pola irukkum. Avar sirithukonde kadandhu pogum pothu vaarthaigalal vivarikka mudiyatha oru Oli vattam namadhu manadhil velicham veeseevittu sellum.

Sivaji sir-i pola matravargalidum pazhagavendum endru eppothum asaipattrikiren. Thamizhil mannanaga kolochiya avar malayalathil nadikka vandhapothu oru saadharana nadiganaga pazhaginar. Iyakunarukkum matra nadigargalukkum migundha mariyadhai alithar. Kurai-yo kutrangalo edhuvume sonnadhilai. Thavirkka mudiyadha kaaranathal naduvil padapidippu thadaipattapothum siridhaluvu kooda kopamo varuthamo illamal anaivaridamum vidai petru sendrar. Meendum padapidippu thudangiyapothum magizchiyodu vandhu nadithu koduthar.

Avar padapidippirkaga Keralathirku vandhapothu ennudan than thangi irundhar. Oru kuzhandhai eppadi chocolate-ai virumbi ketkumo, adhu pola Vath(h)u irachi yum matra asaiva unavu vagaikalaiyum virumbi ketpaar. Avar kettavai ellam thayar seithu avar sappida amarum table-il vaikkum pothu avar mugathai parka vendume, than kettadhu kidaithal santhosathil thulli kuthikkume kuzhandai, adhu polave maari viduvar. Ovvaru item patriyum adhan ruchi patriyum avar adikkum comment irukiradhe,azhago,azhagu. Adhe samayam than enna saapidugiromo adhu thannudaya paniyatkalukkum kidaikka vendum enbathil gavanamaga iruppar.

Vaari vazhangum Vallalaga irundha avar thanakku piditha sila porutkalai mattum yaarukkum kodukkamal vaithirundhar. Sondha magano allathu magalo kettal kooda kodukka maataram. Oru thadavai avar kaiyil kattiirundha watch nandraga irukiradhu endru naan sonnavudan udane kazhati ennidam koduthuvittar. Adhan piragu Prabhu ennidam pesikondirundhapothu andha watch-ai palar kettum kodukkamal vaithirundhar endru sonnar.

Oru murai Balachandran chullikadu-m (Malayalam writer) avaradhu nanbargalum Sivaji sir-ai parka avar veetukku sendirudhanar. Avargal virupathirkinaga Sivaji sir oru kaiyil vettiyin munaiyai pidithukondu, nenjai virithu, kangalil thee pori parakka, Veerapandiya Kattabomman vasanam pesi kanbithar (Here Lal mentions “Vari vatti –“ dialogue). Lakshakanakkana makkalai mei marakka seitha andha simma garjanai-yai neridiyaga ketta Balachandran unarchivasapattu urinate seithuvittar -engirar Lal.

Indha vasanathai Tamizhnattukaran pesa solli kettal pesuvara endral illai endre thondrukiradhu. Ayal manilathil irundhu vandhirukka koodiya virundhinarukaga avargal viruppapadum edhaiyum seyya thayaraga irundhar Sivaji sir. Thamizhagathin thalai vanagatha Rajavaga vaazhndha avar, vaan muttum uyarndha gopuram pola irundha avar, virundhinar munnilaiyil bhoomi pola panivaga nadandhu kondar. Virundhinar Kadavulukku nigar endru avar uruthiyaga ninaithu adhu pola nadandhar. Virudhinarukku munnilaiyil oru malayaleeyum adhu pola panivaga nadappadhai naan paarthathe illai.

Vaayil padi irangi vandhu avar, virundhinarin car kadhavu thirandhu ulle utkara vaithu vazhi anuppuvar. Avar arugil avar manaiviyum siritha mugathudan nirpar. Naam vandhu vittu selvathu avargalukku kidaitha miga periya baghiyam enbathu pola andha mugathil unarchigal velipadum. Than sandhippavargalellam thannai vida periyavargal endre avar ninaithar. Oruvarai arimugapaduthumpothu kooda ivar Periya manidhan endre arimugam seivar. Avar pallikoodathil padikkavillai. Aanal nadippu ulagam avarukku solli kodutha pazhakka vazhagankal yaaralum copy adikka mudiyathavai.

Naan eppothavadhu thalai kunidhu vanaga nerittal en ullathil irukkum malayali gunam ennidam “indha alavirkku thalai kunidhu vananga venduma” endru kelvi ezhuppum. Appothu ennai ariyamale Sivaji sir ninaivu varum. Thane thalai kunindhu pogum.


Regards
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joe
12th November 2007, 08:50 PM
Murali Sir,
I can't control my tears.

tacinema
13th November 2007, 07:18 AM
Oru Vatta seyalalar ninaithal oru District collector-iye transfer panna mudiyum endra nilayil kadandha 40 varudangalaga vazhunthu kondirukkum Tamizhaga makkal, Perunthalaivar-i patriyum athe pole karuthu kondripathil acharyam ondrum illai Joe.

As you had pointed out many are not even aware how the golden rule of PT was adminstrated during 1954-63. One incident that comes to my mind immediately is when PT had gone on a tour of southeren districts (when he was the CM), he came to Virudhunagar and visited his ailing mother. Inside the house he found a water tap. He enquired about it with his mother. " Thannee kuzhai veetukku veliye irundhuchpa. Ennala ange poye edukka mudiyalai. Andha enginner thambikitta sonnen.Ullaye oru kuzhai vachu koduthittar". You know what PT did immediately? He suspended the engineer and saw to it the water connection was disconnected on the spot. Appadipatta Thalaivar oru thiraipada virudhu-virkaga recommend seivathavathu? If I start talking about awards coupled with recommendation then it will lead to unnecessary controversies.That's why I never talk about awards when it comes to NT.

Regards

PS: Joe, 1961-il, forget about AICC or TNCC, even Thanjavur district Congress commity-il oru urupinaraga kooda illatha oruvar thaduthathalthan NT-kku award kidaikavillai endru solbavarigalidum poye neengal PT patri ellam ketkereergale ?

Murali,

Here, I MAY agree with Kamath. I do feel that Moopanar and other anti-NT elements within TNCC might be the reasons why NT did not get the national award for KOT. Since this is not the forum for politics, I wouldn't like to comment on Moopanar's political aspects here.

Kamath's another point: **** But surprising why rajaji/kamaraj did not recommend for him? **** IMO, Kamath's point makes sense. Absolutely no disrespect to Kamaraj. PT was the best thing ever happened to TN - there is no dispute and no second opinion on that. But.... here comes the statement: You know how it works. Any actor, no matter how talented he/she is, needs some push to get the national award. Especially, I heard, this was true during pre-70s period (NT's best period), when the national jury committee was dominated by Bengalis, Bollywood and Malayalis (??). With these kind of committees in place, an actor needs background push to achieve the coveted award. Somewhere in my heart, I do feel PT Kamaraj could have pushed NT's name for KOT. If it had happened, we wouldn't be now discussing about NT - not having received the national award. It is no wonder, in those days, why most of the awards went to bollywood and bengali films.

It seems things have changed a lot now - national award selection committee is chaired by people from all over india. South is getting its fair share. Again, as I said above, I have the highest respect for PT; but, it is this feeling that sometimes hurts me.

These are purely my personal opinion. My 2-cent worth!

tacinema
13th November 2007, 07:33 AM
A beautiful song (chellakili palliyile) from Enga Mama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6j_tz02UKw

Handsome NT, especially close-up shots. A memorable song - enjoy NT, with a lovely voice from TMS and incredible music from MSV

joe
13th November 2007, 09:28 AM
Murali Sir ,
I have typed your translation in Tamil .

நடிகர் திலகம் பற்றி மோகன் லால்

(அன்னை இல்லத்துக்கு தனது விஜயம் குறித்து மலையாள மனோரமா பத்திரிகையில் மோகன்லால் குறிப்பிட்டதன் தமிழாக்கம்)

சிவாஜி சார் ஓவ்வொரு அறைக்கும் என் கையை பிடித்து கூட்டிக்கொண்டு போனார் . தொங்கிக் கொண்டிருந்த நட்சத்திர விளக்கு ,சுவரில்

மாட்டியிருந்த பெரிய புகைப்படங்கள் ,அறையை அலங்கரித்த கலைப்பொருட்கள் மற்றும் அன்பளிப்புகள் இவற்றையெல்லாம் ஒரு சின்னக்

குழந்தையின் மனோபாவத்தோடு பார்த்துக்கொண்டு நடந்து போனேன்.

சிவாஜி சாரின் மிகப்பெரிய பங்களா அது . அந்த நேரம் என் மனைவி சுசி (நடிகர் பாலாஜியின் மகள் சுசித்ரா) அங்கே இல்லை .எங்கோ வேறு ஒரு அறையில் இருந்தாள் என நினைக்கிறேன். நான் சொன்னவையெல்லாம் அவள் பார்க்கவில்லையென்றே தோன்றுகிறது. சிவாஜி சாரின் கைவிரல்
குளிர்ச்சி மட்டுமே என் மனதில் நிறைந்திருந்தது .வாழ்க்கையில் எனக்கு கிடைத்த மிகப்பெரிய பரிசு அந்த விரல்களும் அந்த ஸ்பரிசமும்.

சிவாஜி சார் ஸ்டுடியோவுக்கு வருவதை பார்த்திருக்கிறேன் .அவர் வரும் போது எல்லா படப்பிடிப்பும் ஒரு நிமிடம் நின்று போகும் .அவர் போகும்

வழியில் அனைவரும் எழுந்து நின்று அவரை கை கூப்பி வணங்குவார்கள் . அவர் வந்து போவதே ஒரு ராஜா வருவது போல இருக்கும் . அவர்

சிரித்துக்கொண்டே கடந்து போகும் போது வார்த்தைகளால் விவரிக்க முடியாத ஒரு ஒளி வட்டம் நமது மனதில் வெளிச்சம் வீசி விட்டு செல்லும்.

சிவாஜி சாரைப் போல மற்றவர்களிடம் பழக வேண்டும் என்று எப்போதும் ஆசைப்படுகிறேன். தமிழில் மன்னனாக கோலோச்சிய அவர்

மலையாளத்தில் நடிக்க வந்த போது ஒரு சாதாரண நடிகராக பழகினார் . இயக்குநருக்கும் மற்ற நடிகர்களுக்கும் மிகுந்த மரியாதை அளித்தார் .

குறையோ குற்றங்களோ எதுவுமே சொன்னதில்லை . தவிர்க்க முடியாத காரணங்களால் நடுவில் படப்பிடிப்பு தடை பட்ட போதும் சிறிதளவு கூட

கோபமோ வருத்தமோ இல்லாமல் அனைவரிடமும் விடை பெற்று சென்றார் . மீண்டும் படப்பிடிப்பு தொடங்கிய போதும் மகிழ்ச்சியோடு வந்து நடித்துக் கொடுத்தார் .

அவர் படப்பிடிப்புக்காக கேரளத்துக்கு வந்த போது என்னுடன் தான் தங்கியிருந்தார் . ஒரு குழந்தை எப்படி சாக்லெட்டை விரும்பி கேட்குமோ ,அது போல வாத்து இறைச்சியும் மற்ற அசைவ உணவு வகைகளையும் விரும்பிக் கேட்பார் . அவர் கேட்டவையெல்லாம் தயார் செய்து அவர் சாப்பிட

அமரும் மேசையில் வைக்கும் போது அவர் முகத்தை பார்க்க வேண்டுமே ,தான் கேட்டது கிடைத்தால் சந்தோஷத்தில் துள்ளிக் குதிக்குமே குழந்தை ,அது போல மாறி விடுவார் . ஒவ்வொரு அயிட்டம் பற்றியும் அதன் ருசி பற்றியும் அவர் அடிக்கும் கமெண்ட் இருக்கிறதே ,அழகோ அழகு . அதே சமயம் தான் என்ன சாப்பிடுகிறோமோ அது தன்னுடைய பணியாட்களுக்கும் கிடைக்க வேண்டும் என்பதில் கவனமாக இருப்பார்.

வாரி வழங்கும் வள்ளலாக இருந்த அவர் தனக்கு பிடித்த சில பொருட்களை மட்டும் யாருக்கும் கொடுக்காமல் வைத்திருந்தார் . சொந்த மகனோ அல்லது மகளோ கேட்டால் கூட கொடுக்க மாட்டாராம் . ஒரு தடவை அவர் கையில் கட்டியிருந்த வாட்ச் நன்றாக இருக்கிறது என்று நான் சொன்னவுடன் உடனே கழற்றி என்னிடம் கொடுத்து விட்டார் . அதன் பிறகு பிரபு என்னிடம் பேசிக்கொண்டிருக்கும் போது அந்த வாட்ச்சை பலர் கேட்டும் கொடுக்காமல் வைத்திருந்தார் என்ரு சொன்னார் .

ஒரு முறை பாலச்சந்திரன் சுள்ளிக்காடும் ( மலையாள எழுத்தாளர்) அவரது நண்பர்களும் சிவாஜி சாரைப் பார்க்க அவர் வீட்டுக்கு சென்றிருந்தனர் .அவர்கள் விருப்பத்திற்காக சிவாஜி சார் ஒரு கையில் வேட்டியின் முனையைப் பிடித்துக் கொண்டு ,நெஞ்சை விரித்து ,கண்களில் தீப்பொறி பறக்க ,வீர பாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன் வசனம் பேசிக் காண்பித்தார் (இங்கே 'வரி வட்டி' வசனத்தை மோகன்லால் குறிப்பிடுகிறார்) .லட்சக்கணக்கான மக்களை மெய் மறக்கச் செய்த அந்த சிம்ம கர்ஜனையை நேரடியாக கேட்ட பாலச்சந்திரன் உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட்டு சிறுநீர் கழித்து விட்டார் என்கிறார் லால்.

இந்த வசனத்தை தமிழ்நாட்டுக்காரன் பேசச் சொல்லி கேட்டால் பேசுவாரா என்றால் இல்லை என்றே தோன்றுகிறது .அயல் மாநிலத்திலிருந்து வந்திருக்கக் கூடிய விருந்தினர்களுக்காக அவர்கள் விருப்பப்படும் எதையும் செய்யத் தயாராக இருந்தார் சிவாஜி சார் .தமிழகத்தின் தலை வணங்காத ராஜாவாக வாழ்ந்த அவர் , விருந்தினர் முன்னிலையில் பூமி போல பணிவாக நடந்து கொண்டார் . விருந்தினர் கடவுளுக்கு நிகர் என்று
அவர் உறுதியாக நினைத்து அது போல நடந்தார் . விருந்தினர்க்கு முன்னிலையில் ஒரு மலையாளியும் அது போல பணிவாக நடப்பதை நான்
பார்த்ததே இல்லை .

வாயில் படியிறங்கி வந்து அவர் விருந்தினரை கார் கதவு திறந்து உள்ளே உட்கார வைத்து வழி அனுப்புவார் .அவர் அருகில் அவர் மனைவியும் சிரித்த முகத்துடன் நிற்பார் . நாம் வந்து விட்டு செல்வது அவர்களுக்கு கிடைத்த மிகப் பெரிய பாக்கியம் என்பது போல அந்த முகத்தில்
உணர்ச்சிகள் வெளிப்படும் . தான் சந்திப்பவர்கள் எல்லாம் தன்னை விட பெரியவர்கள் என்றே அவர் நினைத்தார் . ஒருவரை அறிமுகப்படுத்தும் போது கூட இவர் பெரிய மனிதன் என்றே அறிமுகம் செய்வார் . அவர் பள்ளிக்கூடத்தில் படிக்கவில்லை .ஆனால் நடிப்பு உலகம் அவருக்கு
சொல்லிக் கொடுத்த பழக்க வழக்கங்கள் யாராலும் காப்பி அடிக்க முடியாதவை .

நான் எப்போதாவது தலை குனிந்து வணங்க நேரிட்டால் என் உள்ளத்தில் இருக்கும் மலையாளி குணம் என்னிடம் " இந்த அளவுக்கு தலை குனிந்து வணங்க வேண்டுமா ?" என்று கேள்வி எழுப்பும் . அப்போது என்னை அறியாமலே சிவாஜி சார் நினைவு வரும் .தானே தலை குனிந்து போகும் .

மோகன்லால் :thumbsup:

Billgates
13th November 2007, 09:58 AM
The main objective of making KOT is to know about the great freedom fighter . Also, to have desabakthi. BR Bandhulu managed to achieve both through the magnificent portrayal of Sivaji Ganesan.
Atleast on these grounds Kamraj should have taken initiative . There is no personal benefit to him unlike some instances what Murali Srinivasa had quoted about Kamraj.
Murali, what you had mentioned is totally out of context. Definitely Kamraj will object to some benefit to his relatives but not the case of KOT a movie specifically made for knowing about Mr. VOC.
I dont know how many North Indians know about VOC today. Atleast if the movei had got national award, it would have enlightened many people. Here I strongly condemn Kamaraj for not having taken any lead .

Kamraj was the most influential TN leader in Centre those years and even catapulted Indra Gandhi to become PM. Such was his authority . He really missed it here.

There is a big difference between personal gains and public awareness. If Kamraj had taken the initiative, more people would have known about VOC.
Today people know more about Kamraj than VOC.

Murali Srinivas
13th November 2007, 12:45 PM
Dear tac,

I will comeback regarding your opinions.

Regards

Billgates
14th November 2007, 01:22 PM
[tscii:f840fe3f60]Its surprising that there is no mention about Nam pirandha Mann, a nice movie
Sivaji Ganesan with Kamal Hassan , movie belongs to 1977 .

The main story is almost to Indian's !

Got the link :

‘Have you seen ‘naam piRandha maN?’ was Kamalhasan’s query to Shankar when the director first narrated the story of his ‘Indian’ to him. Hearing the gripping outline of an aged freedom-fighter who becomes the nemesis for his wayward son, Kamal must have been engulfed by a sense of déjà vu, for Shankar’s narrative bore startling similarities to ‘naam piRandha maN’. Kamal’s thoughts must have raced back to more than two decades when ‘vietnam veedu’ Sundaram met him with the script (inspired ever so slightly perhaps, by ‘Mother India’?) and offered the upcoming actor the role of the rebellious, well-meaning son.

naam piRandha maN (Vijaya Arts/ 7.10.1977) had Rajasekhar’s story being drafted into ‘vietnam veedu’ Sundaram’s riveting screenplay and dialogues. It was produced by ‘The Hindu’ S. Rangarajan. Rangarajan had earlier tasted success by producing ‘gowravam’ (under the banner ‘Vietnam Movies’) with Sivaji Ganesan in the lead and with ‘vietnam veedu’ Sundaram as the director. This time around too, Sundaram was initially appointed as director, but cameraman A. Vincent took over the direction later on. The titles credit the screenplay to both Sundaram and Vincent.

The movie recounted the life and times of a fictitious revolutionary freedom fighter called Sandhana Thevan. The first half of the movie is filled with his daring exploits, how even while leading the blameless life of a respected village-head during the day, Thevan heads a clandestine band of brave youngsters who strike terror at the British bases in the night. Not even his wife and sister are aware of his dual life. Thevan has to suffer untold miseries when his identity becomes known- his sister is molested and left to die, and he gives himself up to the British at the tearful entreaty of his wife. Thevan is released from prison when India attains independence. He has now lost all his ancestral wealth, and his son Ranjit grows up to a life of scarcity and poverty. Ranjit is disheartened by the depths to which the family fortunes have sunk, and he longs to restore to his proud father and long-suffering mother all that they have lost. All his attempts to secure employment are in vain, and he resorts to crime as an easier means to wealth. But he has not accounted for the anger of his principled father, and events then move to a tragic climax.

If Sivaji Ganesan’s performance as Thevan leading a dual life was marked by majestic histrionics, his restrained underplay as the father who refuses to sacrifice his lofty principles was heartwarming. Kamal as the frustrated son brimmed with righteous fury and anguish. K.R. Vijaya played Thevar’s wife Deivanayagi, and hers was a dignified portrayal as well. Gemini Ganesh as another revolutionary Joseph, Nagesh as the faithful family retainer Thavasu, ‘Fadafat’ Jayalakshmi as Thevan’s sister Papa and Reena as the British Sergeant’s wife were all well cast in their respective roles

The proceedings were punctuated with several interesting twists and some emotional highpoints- the playful banter between Deivanayagi and Papa accentuating the deep affection they have for each other, the young revolutionary Viswanathan venturing out on a valiant mission on the night of his wedding and killing himself after shooting the British collector at Maniachi Junction, Deivanayagi nursing the British child who is down with chicken-pox and proclaiming the oneness of Mary and Maari, the amazement of Joseph when he discovers that Sandhana Thevan is none other than his employer ‘vEttaikkaara’ Thevan, the daring encounter that James and Thevan have with the British troops in the still of the night and their seeking sanctuary in a church, all the men in the village sporting bandages on their legs to foil the attempts of the British when they try to trace Sandhana Thevan through his wounded leg, the moving episode where Thevan escapes from police to attend the funeral of Joesph’s mother, Thevan rescuing the British commander from a pit into which they had fallen together, the unblemished loyalty of Thavasu even when Thevan has fallen upon bad times, the arresting arguments between the principled father and practical son with the anguished mother playing the eternal arbitrator, the moving scene where Thevan and Joesph meet after many years, the undisguised pride in Thevan’s eyes when Ranjit buys back their ancestral house and presents it to his parents, and how the same eyes fill with tears of shame and rage when he learns the secret of his son’s sudden affluence, the inexorable end…. The movie was also well made technically with Vincent’s cinematography and Mohana’s art direction presenting with pulsating life the ambiance of a feudal village down south in pre-independence India.

Despite everything going for it, naam piRandha maN was a commercial failure. Perhaps the public were tired of another Sivaji movie having a father-son tussle, or it could be that the image of Chappani (16 vayathinilE was released a few weeks earlier, on 15 September 1977) had the public in a hypnotic trance that could not be shaken off.

http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6732

I wish we discuss more about such type of movies and not that urupadaadha Collection statistics of Madurai .
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kamath
14th November 2007, 03:03 PM
I have seen naam pirandha mann & to be honest, for sivaji, it was another routine performance.

Also, perhaps the climax where sivaji is shot down by kamal did not go do well with sivaji fans.

Billgates
14th November 2007, 03:38 PM
Kamath,

The end is just opposite. Sivaji Sir kills Kamal . Similar ending for Indian also !
Almost similar theme ending for Thanga padhakkam.
I like his acting in Nam pirandha Mann, especially as the Sandhana Devar & also the aged freedom fighter trying to restore patriotism and discipline onto his son Kamal.
Good portrayal.
See, the problem is typical of Sivaji's ! He has set such a very high std in the 60s that every one will spontaneously compare and feel that all his movies of the 70s are pedestrian .
There are few movies in 70s where he had done very well. NPM is one such

joe
14th November 2007, 08:38 PM
Murali Sir,
I have published your translation of mohanlal's take on NT's hospitality ,in my blog .
http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post.html

Here are few comments I got. :D

துளசி கோபால் said...
மேன் மக்கள்.

கானா பிரபா said...
வாசிக்கும் போது இந்த விருந்தோம்பலையும், அதை ஏற்று இன்றளவும் நினைவில் வைத்திருக்கும் பண்பையும் உணர்ந்து மெய்சிலிர்த்தது.

மோகன்லால் குறிப்பிட்ட அந்த தடைப்பட்ட படப்பிடிப்பு "ஒரு யாத்ரா மொழி" முன்னர் இயக்கியவர் வேறொருவர். தடைப்பட்டு மீள ஆரம்பித்தபோது பிரதாப் போத்தன் இயக்கியிருந்தார். படத்தை நானும் பார்த்திருந்தேன்.

நானானி said...
முக்காலும் உண்மை!

வற்றாயிருப்பு சுந்தர் said...
ஜோ

படிக்கும் போதும், படித்து முடித்ததும் கண்களில் தங்கியிருந்தது நீர்த்திரை.

சிவாஜி என்ற பல்கலைக்கழகத்தில் நடிப்பைத் தவிரவும் கற்றுக்கொள்ளவேண்டிய பண்புகள் நிறைய இருக்கின்றன என்பதை நிரூபிக்கிறது மோகன்லாலின் விவரணைகள்.

தமிழனைப் பற்றி மலையாளியொருவர் சிலாகிப்பது பெருமிதத்தைத் தந்தது.

நன்றி.

கோபிநாத் said...
பதிவை படிக்கும் போது மெய்சிலிர்கிறது...பதிவுக்கு மிக்க நன்றி ஜோ ;)

cheena (சீனா) said...
நடிகர் திலகத்தின் நற்பண்புகளில் ஒன்று விருந்தோம்பல். அது அவருக்கே உரியது. பலரும் அதை அனுபவித்திருக்கிறார்கள்.


கோவி.கண்ணன் said...
ஜோ,

நடிகர் திலகம் பற்றிய புதிய செய்திகள், மலையாள மைந்தன் நம் மண்ணின் மன்னனை பாராட்ட அதை கேட்க பெருமையாகத் தான் இருக்கிறது.

enRenRum-anbudan.BALA said...
ஜோ,

கேட்பதற்கு மிகவும் பெருமையாக உள்ளது !
நானும், உங்களைப் போல் மிகப்பெரிய சிவாஜி ரசிகன், இளம்பிராயத்திலிருந்தே :)

//நான் எப்போதாவது தலை குனிந்து வணங்க நேரிட்டால் என் உள்ளத்தில் இருக்கும் மலையாளி குணம் என்னிடம் " இந்த அளவுக்கு தலை குனிந்து வணங்க வேண்டுமா?" என்று கேள்வி எழுப்பும் . அப்போது என்னை அறியாமலே சிவாஜி சார் நினைவு வரும்.தானே தலை குனிந்து போகும் .
//
இது தான் நடிகர் திலகத்தின் தாக்கம் !!
பதிவின் சாரம் !

எ.அ.பாலா

தருமி said...
ஜோ,
மேலே எ.அ.பாலா சொன்னதற்கு
"ரிப்பீட்டேய்".


மஞ்சூர் ராசா said...
நண்பரே நல்லதொரு பதிவு. எனக்கு பிடித்த நடிகர் மோகன்லால். அவருக்கு பிடித்த நடிகர் திலகத்தின் விருந்தோம்பலை மிக அழகாக எடுத்துரைத்திருக்கிறார்.

நன்றி.


வல்லிசிம்ஹன் said...
வெகு அருமையான நிகழ்ச்சி.
அழகாகப் பதிவிட்ட உங்களுக்கு நன்றி.

Murali Srinivas
14th November 2007, 09:05 PM
Dear tac,

Like others you are also missing the core issue. See, we are talking about what happened in 1962 ( The films of one calendar year would compete for the awards and this would happen in the succeeding calendar year. Films of 1961 would come for scrutiny in 1962). So it is important to keep in mind that we are discussing something that happened some 45 years ago. All of us have been witness to how even local politicians can influence things in all walks of life in Tamilnadu that has been happening for the past 40 years. So we have a mindset that influencing things is not bad. But people like PT could never even think of it and he was like that till his end. He would be the last person to do such things.

Moreover, please understand that National awards were instituted in 1954-55 and initially very few categories were given awards. By and large (as you had pointed out) South Indians did not find a place in the jury commity unlike today when even the chairman of the jury is a South Indian. So to talk about a movie and it's merit/nuances etc, we didn't have anybody in the jury. Another point that everyone needs to take into consideration is the jury will not automatically evalute all the movies released in that calendar year. The producer has to send the film for the competitive section by paying a fees with the proper formats. So for all matters we are not even aware whether Bandhalu had sent KOT to the competitive section during that time. Again it is all ifs and buts.

In spite of NT not getting recogonised, his films were rewarded. Mangayar Thilagam, Kuzhandhaikal Kanda Kudiarasu, Paava Mannippu are the ones that readily spring to my mind, which were given citations. The same 1962 saw NT being christened as the best actor in the Afro-Asian category for VPKB.

If you could check, South Indian stars were not given their due till the mid 70's. Sathyan of Malayalam, acknowledged as one of the best actors of India never got a national award and if my memory serves me right, even ANR had not got Bharath award.

There was always a lobby which worked against NT whenever he contested. You know what happened in 1972, when he was in the fray for 1971 with Savale Samalee/Babu and who got it ultimately. Same manner in 1986, when he was there for 1985 with his Mudhal Mariyadhai, the jury chairman was Jaya Bachhan. She was nursing a grouse against NT because NT pipped Amithab for the nominated MP post back in 1982 (If you remember, I had written about it in the political innings of NT) and so she vetoed NT and voted for Shashi Kapoor. The other jury members could not even protest as the Bachhans were Family friends of the then PM, Rajiv. In 1993, NT was again a strong contendor for his portrayal in Thevar Magan but he was given the award for the supporting actor's role under a special category and that too happened because Balu Mahendra was the jury chairman and he put his foot down to stop NT getting sidelined. It is another matter that NT declined to accept that. Because of such ugly happenings, I always refrain from talking about awards when it comes to NT.

Then coming to Moopanar playing a part, please understand that he was a nobody in 1962. That's why, I clearly wrote in my last post that he did not even find a place in Thanjavur DCC, let alone in TNCC or AICC. It is only after the Cogress split, Moopanar got prominence in Thanjavur and it was NT who recommended him to PT/ Paa.Raa [the then TNCC(o)President] and by which Moopanar was elevated to DCC President. After PT's death, when a faction of Congress (o) merged with Congress(I), he was drafted in as TNCC President, because he was a neutral figure and there was a rivalry going on between Nedumaran and Mahadevan Pillai (the person who took initiative to merge with Indira) in the name of Presidentship. Moopanar cleverly used his position and power to go up the ladder. NT and Moopanar were best of friends till the nominated MP seat became a issue of contention between NT and Amithab.(Again refer to my post covring 1980-82).

Again, I wonder how Rajaji's name is getting mentioned in this regard. After 1954 when he had to make way for PT to become the CM, he had moved away from Congress and started taking anti - Congress stand and during the period getting mentioned here, he had already started his own Swantatra Party. Again Rajaji is another no nonsense person who would not go to the level of recommendation.

You are talking about what PT did not do. You know what he actually did for the movie KOT? Coming to know that it has not done well commercially, he announced 100% Tax concession for the movie. During those days if a movie is given tax concesion, the tax part of the ticket rate would be reduced and people need to pay only a lower amount of the actual ticket rate to watch the movie. Not like today when all films are given 100% Tax rebate but people still pay the old rates. The Tax rebate really helped the movie in it's second and subsequent runs and by this more people watched the movie,distributors and Theatre owners also netted profit. So PT did what best he could do in those circumstances.

Again, I wonder, when 95% of the public were not even aware of National Awards during those periods, how that could have created an awareness?


Regards

Murali Srinivas
14th November 2007, 09:15 PM
DEar Joe,

Sorry for not saying it earlier.

Thank you so much for your Tamil typing and pasting it in your blog. I also visited your blog(of course, I have visited earlier also) and saw the post. Convey my Thanks to all those good souls who were liberal in praising. ARR-idamirundhu Kadan vangi konjam modify seithu sonnal " Ella Pugazhum NT avargalukke" .

Regards

tacinema
14th November 2007, 09:32 PM
I feel good that members like Billgates and Kamath are discussing about NPM.


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I wish we discuss more about such type of movies and not that urupadaadha Collection statistics of Madurai .
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Just to clarify you, on NT thread (s), we discuss all aspects of his life that are known to fans and others. Note that this is the Part 3 of NT thread. As you see, we have so far covered 250+ pages, which are densely covered with NT's movies, his political innings, and other important milestones. If you go thru old posts, you can see plenty of posts that discuss about NT movies, including NPM.

I am sure you haven't gone thru the NT threads in detail. Go thru these threads and you will be amazed to see wealth of information that is available here. Hubbers, notably Murali and Saradha, have discussed and dissected NT movies - some of them were not commercially successful. While talking about movies, fans try to give a complete picture - such as the date of release, record run, collection statistics, overseas record, re-release milestones and so on. Particularly, Murali covered Madurai area and Saradha did it for Chennai. Many hubbers, particularly NT fans who were not born in early 70s, find these details very vital.

Just to make it easy, on Part 2 of this thread, one of our very active NT fan Joe has created links that take you directly to the page where a specific movie is discussed.

Note that this is an NT thread - obviously, it is meant for glorifying NT's achievement. But, we do make sure that there is a space for constructive criticism.

So, any information about NT is welcome here. Hope, you understand!!

tacinema
14th November 2007, 10:26 PM
Murali,

Thanks for details. You brought up a good point whether directors and producers pushed NT movies or not? Did B R Bhandhulu push hard enough for the award?

My grouse is not against any one - definitely not against PT. My point is that, by not honoring NT - though he highly deserves the award, the country missed to honor this finest actor. In addition, though national award doesn't mean a lot, we still hear some say NT is not finest because he has never got the national award.

Thanks again for the clarification. I would like to stop bringing PT for this discussion and continue about NT.

kamath
15th November 2007, 10:25 AM
Bill gates,

It is sivaji who dies in the end in naam pirandha mann & not kamal.

The closing shot is that of kamal grieving at the death of his parents.

Irene Hastings
15th November 2007, 03:00 PM
Hello to all

I am a new hubber & a fan of Sivaji Ganesan. Wish to participate soon about his movies.
I have gone through most of the posts & find some interesting statistics , information !

joe
15th November 2007, 03:03 PM
Hello to all

I am a new hubber & a fan of Sivaji Ganesan. Wish to participate soon about his movies.
I have gone through most of the posts & find some interesting statistics , information !

Welcome to the Hub and NT rasigar vattam :D

Looking forward your contribution :)

Billgates
15th November 2007, 04:41 PM
Murali seem to be throwing a big bundle of wrong information !
Jaya Bachan is such a dignified person. She will not stoop down to such levels like blocking national award for Sivaji Ganesan.
After all it was Rajiv Gandhi's tenure at that time & Sivaji could have easily spoken to them in case if its really the fact.
Second, Amitabh became a Parliament MP . Am I right , it was during this time only & hence there is no chance of carrying a grouse .
Murali better be clear of facts & post.


Did Sivaji Ganesan contribute anything during his Rajyasabha tenure ? How many sessions did he attend ? Any useful debate did he participate ? Did he really matue as a politician at that time ?
Anyone can answer these questions .

Billgates
15th November 2007, 04:46 PM
[tscii:36920764fa]If Kamraj was kind enough to grant tax exemption for KOT, he should have gone one step more & made the Northies to know about the movie & about Mr. VOC. What he has apparently missed out is a golden opportunity for the countrymen to know about this freedom fighter. This movie could have been the most ideal platform. Today people know Bagatsingh / Rajguru / Rajendra Prasad / Jaiprakash Narayan more . But noone knows about VOC. Cinema is a very powerful medium. If Kamraj could accommodate Sivaji Ganesan onto the Congress party with some intensions, he should have utlised Sivaji’s strengths totally. Like anyone, I too admire Kamraj but in this case, he had definitely missed something. Sad.
Today, we might find the photos of Bagat Singh etc in Parliament house but not the photos of VOC.
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Devar Magan
15th November 2007, 04:47 PM
This is the Only thread worth reading in the Tamil film section of the HUB.

:clap:




PS:
so, enakku inge velai illai.

saradhaa_sn
15th November 2007, 05:15 PM
பெருந்தலைவர் காமராஜரைப்பற்றி முரளி அவர்கள் சொன்னது முற்றிலும் உண்மை. எப்போதும் எதற்கும் சிபாரிசு செய்து பழக்கமில்லாதவர். 'கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்' விஷயத்திலும் அப்படித்தான் இருந்திருப்பார். உண்மையான திறமையும், தகுதியும் இருந்தால் விருதுகள் தானே தேடி வரும் என்று (அப்பாவியாக) நினைத்திருப்பார்.

பூக்கடைக்கு விளம்பரம் எதற்கு என்று நினைக்கும் தன்மையுடையவர். பாவம், சாக்கடைக்கே விளம்பரம் செய்யும் காலத்தில் இருக்கிறோம் என்பதை அறியாத, 'அரசியல்' தெரியாத அரசியல்வாதி அவர். அதனால்தான், யாருமே செய்யாத அற்புத சாதனைகளையும், திட்டங்களையும் செய்திருந்தும், அவற்றை விளம்பரப்படுத்திக் கொள்ளத்தெரியாமல் தோற்றுப்போனார்.

முரளி சொன்ன இன்னொரு உண்மையான விஷயம், 'கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்' காலத்தில் ஜி.கே.மூப்பனார் தஞ்சை மாவட்ட காங்கிரஸ் கமிட்டியின் ஒரு உறுப்பினராக மட்டுமே இருந்தார் என்பதுதான். அந்நிலையில் அவர் நடிகர் திலகத்துக்கு வரவேண்டிய விருதுகளைத் தடுத்தார் என்பது கொஞ்சமும் உண்மையில்லாத ஒன்றே.

எனக்கொரு சந்தேகம்... பெருந்தலைவர் ஆட்சியின்போது 'கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழனுக்கு' வரிவிலக்கு அளிக்கப்பட்டதா என்பதுதான். என் நினைவு சரியென்றால், இந்திராவின் 'எமெர்ஜென்ஸி'யின்போதுதான் 'கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழனு'க்கும், அவன் ஒரு சரித்திரத்துக்கும் வரிவிலக்கு அளிக்கப்பட்டது. பின்னர் ஜனதா ஆட்சி வந்ததும் அந்த வரிவிலக்கு வாபஸ் பெறப்பட்டது. பெருந்தலைவர் ஆட்சியில் (அதாவது 1964க்கு முன்னர்) வரிவிலக்கு அளிக்கப்பட்டதா என்பதை தெளிவு படுத்திக்கொள்ள விரும்புகிறேன்.

kamath
15th November 2007, 05:19 PM
If sivaji had spoken on any issues in the rajya sabha, it would have made news.

From what I know, he barely attended any session.

saradhaa_sn
15th November 2007, 05:54 PM
'நாம் பிறந்த மண்' படம் பற்றிய உங்கள் பாராட்டுக்கு நன்றி. நடிகர் திலகம் நடித்த நல்ல ஒரு படம் என்று நீங்களும் பாராட்டியிருப்பது மகிழ்ச்சியளிக்கிறது. ஆனால் அந்தப்படத்துகும் மக்கள் அளித்த வரவேற்பு எப்படி தெரியுமா?. 'நல்ல படங்களுக்கு வரவேற்பு அளிக்க மாட்டோம்' என்ற சித்தாந்தத்தின்படி, தோல்வியையே பரிசாக அளித்தனர்.

திரைப்படம் எடுக்க வருபர்கள் யாரும் தங்கள் கைக்காசைப்போட்டு பொதுச்சேவை செய்ய வரவில்லை. அப்படியிருக்கும் நிலையில், அவர்கள் நல்ல படங்களைத் தரும்போது வரவேற்பு இருந்தால்தானே, தொடர்ந்து அதே பாதையில் போக எத்தனிப்பார்கள். தன்னுடைய நல்ல படம் தோல்வியடைவதையும், அதே சமயம் மற்றவர்களுடைய மசாலா படங்கள் தங்கள் கண்ணெதிரிலேயே வசூலை வாரிக்குவிப்பதையும் காணும் எந்த தயாரிப்பாளரும், இயக்குநரும் பாதை மாறிப்போவது இயல்பு. நல்லவற்றை தரும்போது ஆதரிப்பதை விட்டு விட்டு, நல்ல படங்களைத் தரவில்லை... தரவில்லை என்று கூச்சல் போடுவது எந்த வகையிலும் நியாயமில்லை.

'சகலகலா வல்லவனை' பதினைந்து தடவை பார்த்தவர்களில் எத்தனை பேர் 'ராஜ பார்வை'யை ஒருமுறையேனும் பார்த்திருப்பார்கள்..??.

இந்தப்படத்துக்கு முன் வந்த 'தீபம்' படத்தையும், பின்னர் வந்த 'அண்ணன் ஒரு கோயிலையும்' பார்த்து ரசித்த மக்கள், இடையில் வந்த இரண்டு நல்ல படங்களான, இளைய சமுதாயம் எப்படி வாழவேண்டும் என்று காட்டிய 'இளைய தலைமுறை'யையும் நாட்டுப்பற்றைப் பேசிய 'நாம் பிறந்த மண்'ணையும் பார்க்காமல் புறக்கணித்தனர். தரத்தில் அவையிரண்டும் தோல்வி அடைய வேண்டிய படங்களா..??. சொல்லுங்கள்.

Murali Srinivas
15th November 2007, 08:16 PM
Dear tac,

I never said that PT should not be blamed/criticised. If one had come to Public life, he should be ready to face criticisim. But the fact was he or NT never even thought about recommendation to get something. Athellam thavaruu endru ninaitha menmakkal vazhntha kaalam.

Saradhaa,

As for as tax exemption is concerned, it was not definitely during emergency because I saw the movie in late 60's/early 70's and it was tax exempted. I am very sure. But whether that was given in Congress rule before 1967 (that is what I believe is correct) or after 1967, we need to find out.

Dear Irene Hastings,

Welcome to Forum/NT thread. If I am not mistaken, are you the same person who posts in msvtimes.com/forum ?

Regards

tacinema
15th November 2007, 08:27 PM
Billgates,

Though some of your writings make sense, your language definitely sounds ill-biased toward Murali. Your language sounds like throwing mud on some hubbers and it could be avoided. Murali is a very respected member on this forum and so far, none has disputed his writings. As stated earlier, Murali, in most cases, comes with proof to back up his writings. I understand you may not agree with his writings, but when you argue, I wish you come with facts. So, I would suggest you argue in right spirit and that way, we can make sure that this thread is not polluted.


Murali seem to be throwing a big bundle of wrong information !
Jaya Bachan is such a dignified person. She will not stoop down to such levels like blocking national award for Sivaji Ganesan.
After all it was Rajiv Gandhi's tenure at that time & Sivaji could have easily spoken to them in case if its really the fact.
Second, Amitabh became a Parliament MP . Am I right , it was during this time only & hence there is no chance of carrying a grouse .
Murali better be clear of facts & post.


Did Sivaji Ganesan contribute anything during his Rajyasabha tenure ? How many sessions did he attend ? Any useful debate did he participate ? Did he really matue as a politician at that time ?
Anyone can answer these questions .

Another thing: This is a tamil movie forum. Avoid discussion on politics, as much as possible. How much do you know about Bachchan's family past? Why do you want to drag NT's contribution in Rajya Sabha? I am not sure whether you know this or not: Some of RS MP posts are reserved for people who contributed very high in arts, science and others. NT's selection was based on this criteria and it was a way of honoring his contribution to the country. These MPs are not expected to participate in day-to-day happenings in parliament. Another case in point: Cho Ramaswamy was honored by last BJP rule for his contribution to Journalism. Cho himself once admitted that his contribution in parliament was zero. So, your point of unnecessarily dragging NT's name as MP does not cut ice. Avoid this!


Regards

Murali Srinivas
15th November 2007, 08:51 PM
Dear tac,

Thanks for your support.

You are spot on with your comments regarding the raised points also.

But ignore such posts. If somebody derives happiness by throwing mud at me, let them enjoy. Let us talk constructive about NT.

Regards

joe
15th November 2007, 08:52 PM
NT's selection was based on this criteria and it was a way of honoring his contribution to the country. These MPs are not expected to participate in day-to-day happenings in parliament. Another case in point: Cho Ramaswamy was honored by last BJP rule for his contribution to Journalism. Cho himself once admitted that his contribution in parliament was zero. So, your point of unnecessarily dragging NT's name as MP does not cut ice. Avoid this!


:exactly:

Appointed MPs don't belong to any party officially ,though they are selected by ruling figures ..Chances to speak are given mostly on party basis ,based on strength of the parties ..So chances for independent MPs are very low and appointed MPs get even lesser chances ..

sivank
16th November 2007, 12:28 AM
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Murali seem to be throwing a big bundle of wrong information !
Jaya Bachan is such a dignified person. She will not stoop down to such levels like blocking national award for Sivaji Ganesan.
After all it was Rajiv Gandhi's tenure at that time & Sivaji could have easily spoken to them in case if its really the fact.
Second, Amitabh became a Parliament MP . Am I right , it was during this time only & hence there is no chance of carrying a grouse .
Murali better be clear of facts & post.


Did Sivaji Ganesan contribute anything during his Rajyasabha tenure ? How many sessions did he attend ? Any useful debate did he participate ? Did he really matue as a politician at that time ?
Anyone can answer these questions .

Mr. Bill Gates just for your kind information there may be something in what Murali wrote about the Bacchans. NT was appointed by I. Gandhi as a MP (RS) in 1982 where as AB won his MP seat defeating HM Bahuguna in 1984 elections under his friend R. Gandhi. May be the Bacchans wanted the RS seat and it was offered to NT.

It would be really nice if you could stop abusing people before offering some proof. I simply can´t understand how you could use words like Murali is throwing bundle of wrong information. If Murali is giving some information and if you are not happy with it ask him to produce some proof or bring some facts that those informations are not correct. You can´t tell simply " Netri Kannai thirappinum Kutram Kutrame" just for argumentations sake.
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Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 08:05 AM
Another case in point: Cho Ramaswamy was honored by last BJP rule for his contribution to Journalism. Cho himself once admitted that his contribution in parliament was zero.

//Digr

Sorry for this. I had been reading the magazine for long. He had written the talks he made in Rajya Sabha. I remember those were mentioned in some issues. He also mentioned the time he gets for speak is very minimal that too he gets once all the important members completes. Several times he does not get a chance too.
Also he had mentioned all the welfare things he did with the money in his magazine and he mentioned he had proper records for that.
I am not sure abt the comment u mentioned. If at all he said that, he could have meant that he was expecting a lot to do in RS but he was not satisfied with the amount he spent there.

I had seen he mentioned the the script of his talkings few times in his magazine.

Just to convey what i come across.

//Digr

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 08:07 AM
unnecessarily dragging NT's name as MP does not cut ice. Avoid this!


Agree 100 % on this.

joe
16th November 2007, 08:13 AM
Another case in point: Cho Ramaswamy was honored by last BJP rule for his contribution to Journalism. Cho himself once admitted that his contribution in parliament was zero.

//Digr

Sorry for this. I had been reading the magazine for long. He had written the talks he made in Rajya Sabha. I remember those were mentioned in some issues. He also mentioned the time he gets for speak is very minimal that too he gets once all the important members completes. Several times he does not get a chance too.
Also he had mentioned all the welfare things he did with the money in his magazine and he mentioned he had proper records for that.
I am not sure abt the comment u mentioned. If at all he said that, he could have meant that he was expecting a lot to do in RS but he was not satisfied with the amount he spent there.

I had seen he mentioned the the script of his talkings few times in his magazine.

Just to convey what i come across.

//Digr

Thirumaran,
I have also read the same what you mentioned ,as a Thuglak vasagan like you :) .Cho mentioned that the only usage of his MP placement is the 1 crore MP fund ,which he used in a very useful manner..He listed all distributed contributions ,mostly for schools.

FYI ,this 1 crore MP fund was not available when NT was a MP ,this is a new scheme :)

Other than that Cho admitted ,he couldn't get much chance to express his views and he didn't want to join other usual koochal kuLappam.

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 08:20 AM
FYI ,this 1 crore MP fund was not available when NT was a MP ,this is a new scheme :)

Other than that Cho admitted ,he couldn't get much chance to express his views and he didn't want to join other usual koochal kuLappam.

Joe,
I dont have any idea about that and i am not interested in knowing NT as politician and also my intention is not to compare their periods or them.

Since tacinema mentioned 0% contribution by cho, i am against that sentence only. Nothing else. :)

joe
16th November 2007, 08:25 AM
FYI ,this 1 crore MP fund was not available when NT was a MP ,this is a new scheme :)

Other than that Cho admitted ,he couldn't get much chance to express his views and he didn't want to join other usual koochal kuLappam.

Joe,
I dont have any idea about that and i am not interested in knowing NT as politician and also my intention is not to compare their periods or them.

Since tacinema mentioned 0% contribution by cho, i am against that sentence only. Nothing else. :)

In that case ,It is nothing spl for CHO .All MP's got this fund and all did something .MP fund distribution is not considered as Parlimentry contribution.

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 08:53 AM
1. In that case ,It is nothing spl for CHO .
2. All MP's got this fund and all did something .
3. MP fund distribution is not considered as Parlimentry contribution.
1. Could be. I did not say that. At least he had listed out all the names and places what he did. That i think is most professional and honest.
2. So you mean to say everyone did usefule things with their funds. You got to be kidding.
3. ok. As a parlimentarian he needs to talk about various issues and he did that too which he written the scripts of his talk some times. If whatever the issues he talked abt is not implemented that is not a mistake with him. He is not a minister or something. He is just a member. Is there any other Contribution he has to do as a Rajya Sabha member. ? If yes some one clear me.

As i mentioned in the post it was a digression. Let us not dwelve into Cho and politics.

Only one thing need clearance.
What is the contribution in Parliament as a Rajya Sabha member. In my opinion that 0% mentioned is not a right one. Knowledged people can clear me on that only. Nothing else.

joe
16th November 2007, 09:03 AM
1. Could be. I did not say that. At least he had listed out all the names and places what he did. That i think is most professional and honest.
Not all the MPs running there own magazine :huh:



2. So you mean to say everyone did usefule things with their funds. You got to be kidding.
:lol: MP fund is not a gift given to MPs to spend as they wish ..there are conditions and they need to submit report for the expenditure ,otherwise have to return the money ..All the MPs did (Most of the people contribute for Bus stop Nizhal Kudai ,schools ) ,CHO may did with better prespective doesn't mean only CHO did.



3. ok. As a parlimentarian he needs to talk about various issues and he did that too which he written the scripts of his talk some times. If whatever the issues he talked abt is not implemented that is not a mistake with him. He is not a minister or something. He is just a member. Is there any other Contribution he has to do as a Rajya Sabha member. ? If yes some one clear me.

As i mentioned in the post it was a digression. Let us not dwelve into Cho and politics.

Only one thing need clearance.
What is the contribution in Parliament as a Rajya Sabha member. In my opinion that 0% mentioned is not a right one. Knowledged people can clear me on that only. Nothing else.

Since you are seeking for knowledged people ,let me stay away from answering this. :)

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 09:11 AM
:lol: MP fund is not a gift given to MPs to spend as they wish ..there are conditions and they need to submit report for the expenditure ,otherwise have to return the money ..All the MPs did (Most of the people contribute for Bus stop Nizhal Kudai ,schools )

//digr
I accept. Everyone MP or MLA spend all the funds alloted to them in a useful manner and they show proper records to the Govt. But still india is a country with so many basic problems. I am out of this.

BTW i did not mention Cho is the only one who did that.

Me :arrow:
//Digr end

m_23_bayarea
16th November 2007, 09:19 AM
Does this thread allow ppl to post their favorite Sivaji songs? If yes, then here are some of my fav songs...

Chittu Kuruvi Mutham Koduthu...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KzHa-znNS4A

Kaadhal Siragai Kaatrinil Virithu...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VCwH0Jp1H6s

Poomaalaiyil Or Malligai...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_VgdPBQZuok

Muthukalo Kangal...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ODvD9J1pyBY&feature=related

Amaithiyanaa Nadhiyinilae Odum...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GAIw1HbjVjM

8-) 8-) 8-)

Billgates
16th November 2007, 09:23 AM
Tacinema / Sivank,

Sivaji was nominated as Rajyasabha MP somewhere during 82. Ok
Amitabh was elected as Loksabha MP during 84 ( after the death of Indira Gandhi ).
And Mudhal mariyadhai was released during 85. Ok.

The Jury comittee would have analyzed the 85 release movies by 86. There is a gap of 5 long years. Jaya Bachan may be the Head ( according to Murali Srinivasar ).
Does this sound logical for someone like JayaB to continue vent here frustration on someone who is a respectable person in Cinema industry and a doyen like Sivaji Ganesan ?

What Murali is posting IS JUST A ROMOUR CAT. Nothing else. My question is why should he spread some rumours with any ANYTHENTICATED EVIDENCE ??

Second, most of his cinema stats are of Madurai related. Rarely chennai comes. So according to his school of thought, only Madurai constitute a major BOx office benchmark. For this he has no answers till date. Once he mentioned some movie as a box office hit and he cited just 2 theatres ! I just wanted to know whether this is what defines a BO ? No answer .
For majority of his stats, he himself has no concrete documetnary evidence. He hust uses his age and HEARSAY on most matters. So how can we conclude that his posts are authenticated.
He should be carefuel when abusing a person like Jaya Bachan who is well known for integrity in Cinema industry and a well respected person. Throwing some rumour on someone without factual evidence is not an ethical way .

I asked for someone to state about Sivaji's stint as rajya sabha member. IF SOMEONE KNOWS THE CONSTITUTION, HE / SHE WILL DEFINITELY KNOW THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF A RAJYA SABHA MEMBER.
I am curious to know how many sessions did he attend and what kind of topics did he speak . Did he take active part ?
This is imporatnt to ascertain how fundamentally strong was he as a politician . Murali Srinivsar's posts on some political history is really interesting to read. He has openly abused many seasoned politicians like Karunanidhi. Nobody seem to object those comments but when I ask about Sivaji's rajyasabha tenure, Mr. Tacinema vehemently opposes saying that its politics . What a paradox !
Hope my posts are not edited .

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 09:25 AM
Does this thread allow ppl to post their favorite Sivaji songs?

Question kaetuttu answer varathukku munnaala ethukku post panneenga :twisted:

JK. :P those songs are my favorites too :D

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 09:29 AM
Tacinema / Sivank,

What Murali is posting IS JUST A ROMOUR CAT.

WARNING!!!
If you have any personal hatred against anyone keep that away from the forum. Time and again you are targetting Murali. This is not the place. If u feel the info is wrong just mention that. No need for any adai mozhi's.

m_23_bayarea
16th November 2007, 09:31 AM
TM, I posted it cos this thread is going through soooo much politics!!! Whhyyyy??? :oops:

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 09:33 AM
TM, I posted it cos this thread is going through soooo much politics!!! Whhyyyy??? :oops:
Bay,
I was just kidding. Seems my posts are not clear :oops:

there is nothing wrong :P

Billgates
16th November 2007, 09:34 AM
Thirumarar,

There is no personal hatred. Its mere exchange of thoughts about Sivaji and his career. I just want the facts to be represented here. No rumour. If Murali Sar abuses someone ..say Jaya Bachan as the stumbling block for Sivaji not getting award for Mudhal mariyadha, it should be properlye evidenced. Otherwise, its just a plain rumour only. I dont know what ur interpretation in such a case.

joe
16th November 2007, 09:34 AM
Thirumaran,
I don't think tacinema mentioned Cho in a negative sense ..It is to make clear that in our Parlimentry setup ,nominated MPs can't do much in parlimentry activities ..Since CHO was also an nominated MP ,like NT and Cho himself admitted that "நியமன எம்.பி.களுக்கு பாராளுமன்றத்தில் பெரிதாக பேசுவதற்கு வாய்ப்பு கிடைப்பதில்லை" . சோ-வே சொல்லியிருக்கிறார் என்பது சோவை குறை சொல்லுவதாகாது .சோவை உயர்த்துவதாகத் தான் நான் நினைக்கிறேன் .

joe
16th November 2007, 09:40 AM
பில்கேட்ஸ் போன்றவர்கள் முரளி ஸ்ரீநிவாஸ் போன்ற முதிர்ந்த அறிவு பூர்வமான பங்கேற்பாளர்கள் நடிகர் திலகம் பற்றி தொடர்ந்து எழுதுவதை பொறுக்க முடியாமல் ,தொடர் தாக்குதல்கள் மூலம் முரளி அவர்களின் பொறுமையை சோதித்து ,அவரை விரக்தி அடைய செய்து ,இங்கிருந்து துரத்தி விடலாம் என்பதை நோக்கமாக கொண்டு செயல்படுகிறார்கள் என்பதே என் கணிப்பு .

முரளி அவர்கள் இவற்றை தாண்டி தன் பங்களிப்பை தொடர்ந்து தருவார் என உறுதியாக நம்புகிறேன்.

Thirumaran
16th November 2007, 09:42 AM
Thirumaran,
I don't think tacinema mentioned Cho in a negative sense ..It is to make clear that in our Parlimentry setup ,nominated MPs can't do much in parlimentry activities ..Since CHO was also an nominated MP ,like NT and Cho himself admitted that "நியமன எம்.பி.களுக்கு பாராளுமன்றத்தில் பெரிதாக பேசுவதற்கு வாய்ப்பு கிடைப்பதில்லை" . சோ-வே சொல்லியிருக்கிறார் என்பது சோவை குறை சொல்லுவதாகாது .சோவை உயர்த்துவதாகத் தான் நான் நினைக்கிறேன் .

Joe,
I was not saying that he was making negative remarks. The Key here is 0 or Zero. My post was based on that only. Very simple.

m_23_bayarea
16th November 2007, 09:45 AM
<Digr>

Where is NOV these days? Is he banned or something? :P

<Digr>

joe
16th November 2007, 09:48 AM
The Key here is 0 or Zero.
அது உயர்வு நவிற்சி அணி :lol:

enna ippo zero or 0 -kku pathila 5 -nnu vachukkalama ? :)

joe
16th November 2007, 09:50 AM
<Digr>

Where is NOV these days? Is he banned or something? :P

<Digr>

Theriyatha Ungalukku :shock: Avar malaysia-la irunthu India-kku Naadu kadathappattar :)

saradhaa_sn
16th November 2007, 11:47 AM
டியர் பில்கேட்ஸ்...

ஜெயா பச்சனின் 'நேர்மை', 'பாரபட்சமின்மை' பற்றியெல்லாம் பேசும்போது, சில ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன் நிகழ்ந்த ஒன்று நினைவுக்கு வருகிறது. இது நான் செய்தித் தாள்களில் படித்தது. தேதி, ஆண்டு எல்லாம் துல்லியமாக நினைவில்லை. (இதற்காக 'சாரதா ஒரு புளுகு மூட்டை' என்று நீங்கள் பட்டமளித்தாலும் கவலையில்லை).

சில ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன், ஜெயா பச்சன் 'ஆசிய திரைப்பட குழு'வின் தலைவராக நியமிக்கப்பட்டார் (குழுவின் பெயர் சரிதானா என தெரியாது. ஆனால் நடந்த விஷயம் மட்டும் உண்மை). நியமிக்கப்பட்டதும் அவர் செய்த முதல் வேலை, தன் கணவர் திரு அமிதாப் பச்சனை 'ஆசியாவின் சிறந்த நடிகர்' என்று தேர்ந்தெடுத்து விருது வழங்கியதுதான்.

'அப்போது சிவாஜியும் இருந்தார், ஆகவே அவருக்குத்தான் வழங்கியிருக்க வேண்டும்' என்றெல்லாம் அர்த்தமில்லாமல் நான் சொல்ல மாட்டேன். எந்த ஒரு விருதுக்கும் சிவாஜி தகுதியானவர் இல்லை என்பது எனக்கு நன்றாகவே தெரியும். ஆனால் நடிப்பில் கமலோடும், சிரஞ்சீவியோடும், மம்முட்டியோடும் ஒப்பிட தகுதியற்ற அமிதாப்புக்கு'ஆசியாவின் சிறந்த நடிகர்...(???) விருது..?'. எப்படி கிடைத்தது இது?. ஜெயாபச்சனின் 'நேர்மையான' செயல்பாட்டினால்தான் என்று சொல்லவும் வேண்டுமா?.

(1961ல் நடிகர்திலகம் 'ஆசிய-ஆப்பிரிக்காவின் சிறந்த நடிகர்' என்று தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப் பட்டபோது, அந்த தேர்வுக்குழுவின் தலைவர் நிச்சயமாக திருமதி. கமலா கணேசன் அல்ல என்பது மட்டும் எனக்கு நிச்சயமாக தெரியும்).

sivank
16th November 2007, 02:00 PM
[tscii:f86958af5f]Mr.Bill Gates, again for your information as NT was nominated by I. Gandhi nobody ever thought that R. Gandhi would succeed so soon. If R. Gandhi wouldn´t have persuaded AB wouldn´t have contested in the elections. So it is normal to assume that the Bacchans were very frustated that Ab was not nominated for a cushy and prestigious post as MP (RS). As you can read in Saradhaa Madam´s post Jaya B is certainly biased.

Regarding Murali´s figures about Madurai, it is simply so that he comes from Madurai and he has mentioned many times that he will restrict only to Madurai since he has experienced it personally. Same with Saradhaa Madam she keeps her stats and figures only in Chennai area. No body mentioned that Madurai is the best.

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Murali Srinivas
16th November 2007, 02:07 PM
[tscii:d4d54c046c]Dear All,

It is my intention to stay clear of controversies in this thread. Just as Joe had mentioned, there are forces (rather a single force in manifold avatars?) trying to derail this thread. Their intention is to provoke and thus by create confusion and chaos in this thread. If I start replying then that is enough for them to do what they like to do. Precisely that’s the reason why I refrained from replying in spite of the provocations directed against me.

Even now, I don’t wish to reply. But people (genuine) who go through this thread may be construing my silence as accepting the guilt. So let me state some facts.

First about 1986. It should be very clear that these meetings take place in camera and outsiders cannot be privy to discussions going on. Sting operations (!) have not been discovered during those times (even satellite TVs were not there). Then such type of information would come out only when committee members speak off the record. This came out when one such member choose to speak on conditions of anonymity. So if someone wants proof (they themselves fully know that this is not possible), there cannot exist any. NT could have gone to Rajiv, they are asking. Rajiv was the person who strongly argued in favour of Amithab way back in 1982. But Indira gave to NT. Again during 1984 elections (both Parliament & Assembly elections in TN), Indira was not there and Rajiv was at the helm. Candidates owing allegiance to NT were ignored and this made NT fans association members file nominations independently. NT upset over the treatment meted out to him went to Hyderabad for shooting. Finally people who matter at Delhi pacified NT and his supporters like EVKS Elangaovan, Kuppusamy, Adaikalaraj to name a few were given tickets. So NT and Rajiv had always had estranged relationship. NT had a feeling, rather genuine that Rajiv did not treat him properly like Indira. So the question of taking it up with Rajiv didn’t even arise.

Then coming to the integrity of Bacchans, the whole world knows about them. Was not recently Jaya Bacchan stripped of her MP sear because she was holding a office of profit which was not disclosed at the time of filing nominations? What about Amithab who was recently caught giving a false address at UP and posing himself as a farmer to garner some government lands? What about Ajithab, the brother of Amithab who acted as the intermediatory in the Bofors scandal and because of whom Amithab has to resign his MP seat in 1987, half way through the term? What about ABCL Corporation and Amithab declaring insolvency and subsequent patch up with IT Department when Koun Banega Crorepathi happened? So it is better not to talk about Bacchans.

Even the first national award for Amithab for 1990, how it happened ? Can anybody say that Amithab’s performance in Agnipath was better than Mammootty’s “Amaram” , a classic about fisherman’s lives. During the time the award was declared (1991 March-April), Chandrasekar was the PM ruling who was solely dependant on Rajiv for numbers.
Even award for Black, people who have seen both Black and Thanmathra”, would vouch for the fact that Mohanlal wasstreets ahead of Amithab. Definitely dirty politics was played. So it goes. So people who shed crocodile tears for Bacchans better learn their facts.

Then coming to Madurai related info, I can only provide what is known to me and I had not taken the distribution rights of all NT films for the entire Tamilnadu o reel out figures. Moreover it smacks of authoritarianism to order someone not to write this or that. Just like I don’t have the right to curtail others, others also have no business to dictate to me what I should write or what I should not write.

I don’t wish to state anything more and I don’t want to digress also. Let us stop here.

Regards

PS: Joe, Thiru, tac and sivan, En mel “avar” Kobamaga irukirar. Avarthu kobathai ellam eppadi theerthu kolluvathu? Ippadi ezhuthithan theerkavendum. Let him enjoy.


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saradhaa_sn
16th November 2007, 06:03 PM
டியர் முரளி சார்..., நீங்கள் குறிப்பிட்டது முற்றிலும் உண்மை.

1982 ல் ஒரு ராஜ்யசபா எம்.பி.சீட்டுக்கு கலைத்துறையைச்செர்ந்த ஒருவர் நியமிக்கப்பட வேண்டும் என்ற நிலை வந்தபோது, அன்றைய பிரதமர் இந்திரா அம்மையார், நடிகர் திலகத்தின் பெயரை தேர்வுக்கமிட்டியின் முன் வைத்தார். (ஒரு சம்பிரதாயத்துக்குத்தான். இந்திரா யாரைச்சொல்கிறாரோ அவரைத்தான் நியமிப்பார்கள்). அவர் நடிகர் திலகத்தை முன்மொழியக் காரணம்,
நடிகர்திலகம் காங்கிரஸ் கட்சியின் நீண்ட காலத்தொண்டர் என்பதும்,
தேர்தல் நேரங்களில் தன்னுடைய படப்பிடிப்புகளை ஒத்திவைத்து விட்டு, முழு நேர பிரச்சாரங்களில் ஈடுபட்டவர் என்பதும்,
தன்னுடைய படங்களில் முடிந்தவரை காங்கிரஸின் கொளகைகளை மறைமுகமாக பிரச்சாரம் செய்து வருபவர் என்பதும்...
இப்படி பல காரணங்கள்.

தேர்தல் நேரத்தில் இந்திராவும் சிவாஜியும் பல மேடைகளில் ஒன்றாக பேசியிருக்கிறார்கள். பாண்டிச்சேரி தேர்தலில் ஒரே மேடையில் இந்திராவுக்கும் காமராஜருக்கும் நடுவில் நடிகர்திலகம் நிற்கும் புகைப்படம் ரொம்ப பாப்புலர். தேர்தல் நேரங்களில் சுவரொட்டிகளில் இப்படம் இடம் பெறும்.

1977 பாராளுமன்ற தேர்தலில் காங்கிரஸ் அ,தி,மு,க கூட்டணி அமைத்து போட்டியிட்டபோது, பிரச்சாரத்துக்காக இந்திரா அம்மையார் தமிழ்நாடு வந்திருந்தார். அப்போது மதுரை மேடையில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரும், திருச்சி மேடையில் சிவாஜியும் இந்திராவுடன் ஒரே மேடையில் பிரச்சாரம் செய்தனர்.

1980 தேர்தலில் காங்கிரஸ் - தி.மு.க. கூட்டணி அமைத்து போட்டியிட்டபோது, சென்னை மெரீனா கடற்கரை கூட்டத்தில் இந்திரா, கருணாநிதி ஆகியோருடன் நடிகர் திலகமும் மேடையில் பேசினார்.

எனவே யாருக்கு ராஜ்யசபா பதவி என்ற நிலை வந்தபோது, இந்திராவின் நினைவில் இந்த விவரங்கள் நிழலாட, நடிகர் திலகத்தை தேர்வு செய்தார்.

ஆனால் ராஜீவ் காந்தி அமிதாப்பை சிபாரிசு செய்யக்காரணம், அவர் தன்னுடைய நெருங்கிய நண்பர் என்பதற்காகவே தவிர வேறொன்றுமில்லை. அதுவரை காங்கிரஸுக்கு அமிதாப்பின் பங்களிப்பு பூஜ்யமே. (இப்போதும் கூட அதைத்தாண்டி வந்திருக்கிறதா என்பது தெரியாது).

தவிர அப்போது ராஜீவுக்கு சிவாஜியைப்பற்றியும், கட்சியில் அவரது பங்களிப்பு பற்றியும் எதுவும் தெரியாது. (சஞ்சய் காந்தி இறக்கும் வரை, காங்கிரஸின் தலைவர் யார் என்பது கூட ராஜீவுக்கு தெரிந்திருக்க வாய்ப்பில்லை. அப்போது அவர் விமானம் ஓட்டிக்கொண்டு இருந்தார்).

எனவே இந்திராவின் நியாயமான முடிவின்படி நடிகர் திலகம், ராஜ்ய சபா எம்.பி.ஆனார். (சிவாஜி ராஜ்யசபாவில் பேசிய பல விஷயங்களை பற்றி பத்திரிகையாளர் குஷ்வந்த்சிங் எழுதிய ஒரு கட்டுரை முன்பு பார்த்தேன். அது கிடைத்தால் பின்னர் இங்கே தருகிறேன்).

Devar Magan
16th November 2007, 06:22 PM
:clap: murali srinivas, saradha and other informative NT fans.


billgates :evil: intha thread-vaachum vittuvaikkavum. inge sandai vendaam.. this is a place to discuss history. ellaam mudinju pochu. inimel yaaru perusunu argue panni use illai.

saradhaa_sn
16th November 2007, 06:56 PM
இந்திரா அம்மையார் மறைந்தபிறகு நடந்த 1984 தேர்தலில், சிவாஜி மன்றத்தினர் தேர்தலில் சீட் கொடுக்கப்படாமல் ஒதுக்கப்பட்டதற்கு காரணமே, நடிகர் திலகத்துக்கும் காங்கிரஸுக்கும் இருந்த நீண்டகால உறவை பற்றி ராஜீவுக்கு தெரியாததே.

தமிழ்நாட்டில் காங்கிரஸின் மிகப்பெரிய தொண்டர் படையாக விளங்கிய சிவாஜி மன்றத்தினர், 1984 தேர்தலில் முற்றிலுமாகப் புறக்கணிக்கப்பட்டனர். சிவாஜிமன்றத்தினர் பற்றி தெரிந்திருந்த பெருந்தலைவரும், இந்திரா அம்மையாரும் இயற்கை எய்தியதால் அவர்களின் அருமை ராஜீவுக்கு தெரியவில்லை. வெகுண்டெழுந்த சிவாஜி மன்றத்தினர், தலைவர் தளபதி சண்முகம் தலைமையில் கூடி முடிவெடுத்து தமிழ்நாடு முழுக்க 99 போட்டி வேட்பாளர்களை அறிவித்தனர். சிலர் வேட்பு மனுவும் தாக்கல் செய்து விட்டனர். புரசை குமரன், அப்பன்ராஜ், செங்காளியப்பன், ராஜசேகரன், அடைக்கலராஜ், மாரிசாமி, பொன்.தங்கராஜ், சந்திரசேகரன், புவனேஸ்வரி ஆனந்த் போன்றோர் அதில் அடக்கம்.

பதறிப்போன மூப்பனார், டெல்லியுடன் தொடர்பு கொண்டு நிலைமையை விளக்கி சொல்ல, சிவாஜி மன்றத்தினருக்கு சீட் ஒதுக்கப்பட்டது. சென்னை வண்ணாரப்பேட்டையில் ராஜசேகரன், திருச்சி எம்.பி.தொகுதிக்கு அடைக்கலராஜ் உள்பட பலர் கட்சியால் வேட்பாளர்களாக அறிவிக்கப்பட்டனர்.

tacinema
16th November 2007, 08:55 PM
Murali/Saradha/Others,
Very informative. Thanks

Billgates: I feel discussing too much on politics should be avoided on this thread, as this is a part of NT's movies related. Especially you are mixing NT's political innings with Bachchan's, which is totally avoidable. As everyone in TN (including his acting rival fans) knows, NT contribution to Congress thru his mammoth fan associations is uncomparably more than what he got back from the party. It is a plain fact that NT did not get due recognition from the congress party. Your deliberate-deviated discussion on NT political career - especially mixing it with Bachchan's, NT's maturity as a politician etc - is hurting many fans. For the fact and record, NT's maturity as a politician was far greater than that of others at that time - but the only wrong thing was that NT was a good and honest person. During the last NT's birth day anniversary, Cho acknowleged this and agreed that these qualities were the primary reason why NT failed in politics. Murali, as a loyal NT fan, has written in detail about this function. According to your view, NT should have been a dishonest politician, like others. Man, NT doesn't fit that bill and we are proud of him because he was nice and an accomplished actor.

More imporantly, your language does not suit the public forum like this. Your language and arguments make NT fans attack you - which is precisely what we would like to avoid in this thread. I expect a basic decency from you on this important thread. You yourself can easily see that your discussion does not make any sense. As I said couple of months back, if you have any issues with NT movies, open a new appropriate thread and we will be glad to answer you there. I want you stop bashing NT for one after another unnecessary topics and for once, I would like to see a through contribution from you on this thread.

This towering personality (NT) was like an acting university. You can easily pick a nice thread from his library and bring it into this forum. We can discuss more on this.

The more you bash NT, the more we like him. NT legacy will live on.


[tscii:4750f33f63]Dear All,

PS: Joe, Thiru, tac and sivan, En mel “avar” Kobamaga irukirar. Avarthu kobathai ellam eppadi theerthu kolluvathu? Ippadi ezhuthithan theerkavendum. Let him enjoy.

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Murali: We are here to support you. We like you as much as we enjoy your NT writings. The same goes for other important fans like Saradha and others.

If someone criticize you constructively, then it makes sense. But, billgates is going beyond a public forum decency limit. Arguments and counter arguments come with an acceptable limit. In addition, billgates language makes everyone sick here. We can tolerate BG's a member-focused criticism to a limit; beyond that, you will have to answer him in a different way.

Here, you are getting support not only from NT fans, but also from other members and fans.

tacinema
16th November 2007, 09:18 PM
Tacinema / Sivank,
Second, most of his cinema stats are of Madurai related. Rarely chennai comes. So according to his school of thought, only Madurai constitute a major BOx office benchmark. For this he has no answers till date. Once he mentioned some movie as a box office hit and he cited just 2 theatres ! I just wanted to know whether this is what defines a BO ? No answer .
Madurai has been an important center to decide the film run. Show me one movie (till date) which did not have a decent run in Madurai, but classified as a hit? For your information, for movie run concerned, Madurai goes with flow in deciding the BO fate.


For majority of his stats, he himself has no concrete documetnary evidence. He hust uses his age and HEARSAY on most matters. So how can we conclude that his posts are authenticated.

certainly, you did not read all his postings. Why do you bring age here? It shows you are too immatured as a personality critic.


He should be carefuel when abusing a person like Jaya Bachan who is well known for integrity in Cinema industry and a well respected person. Throwing some rumour on someone without factual evidence is not an ethical way .

I appreciate your strongly loyalty to jaya bachchan. We did not know that you are a fan of Jaya bachchan. You should post this in Hindi films category :D

abkhlabhi
17th November 2007, 11:25 AM
It is really sad that someone comparing NT status with others. More or less the information given by the Murali and Sharada are correct. Since I was reading and watching the incident taken place in NT's life for the past 35 years (since from my childhood) Instead of replying to BG and others, it is better to discuss more on NT and his life.

Irene Hastings
17th November 2007, 12:01 PM
[tscii:2ec9852903]Dear All,

I am totally confused ! due to contradicting views, posts, exchanges . What I could see here is there is little freedom of expression to say anything which could be a shortcoming ( if at all ) of our beloved Nadigar Thilagam .

Though I don’t want to elaborate on what are the contradictions, pls permit me to convey my views :

a. Discussion on politics
I went through the rules and regulations and found that discussing politics is banned. If this is not permitted according to the Forum rules, why so much of politics being posted here. I could see posts about veteran leaders like Kamrajar,Anna, Muka, MGR and the latter 2 names were heavily used/slogged / tampered with systematically under the pretext of discussing something about Sivaji’s political life. If politics is not allowed, then why these posts are retained !? I am referring to Mr. Murali’s writeups only .

b. Negative thoughts about other artists
I would say, its unethical/uncivilized practice to say something about an artist / or any personality in our thread . All we may follow is to discuss about his movies and his life in cinema . I am surprised to see posts by many including Veteran Mr. Murali Srinivas mentioning the negative side of Amitabh Bachan who has no relation to this thread’s objective. If Jaya Bachan was the Jury, so be it and say about her but why Amitabh Bachan . I know Saradha Madam well but even Mr. Murali talking about Amitabh something negative about Bofors, Ajitabh, his land deals etc is not fair if we consider this thread belongs to NT. Pls correct me if I am wrong. Having read the posts of Mr. Murai, I have very high regards for him. Hope he avoids such controversies. A request.

c. Personal life issues
Request that we need not touch someone’s personal life & their propery issues. Nobody is perfect today ( including you and me ). Are we paying our taxes as per our income earned ? Then why should we talk about Jaya Bachan’s Office of profit or Amitabh’s land deals or the Ajitabh issue ? Someone may even question whether our NT had paid his IT promptly. Can we say that he didn’t have any benami name holding his assets or hard earned wealth ? As a mega star, even our NT would have earned huge income . Are we sure that he paid his taxes accordingly ?

d.Views of hubbers
In my opinion, the views of hubbers should be treated on all fairness and we should avoid creating groups / subgroups which is not a healthy sign for a forum. If someone questions the post of an individual, that guy’s group form a cartel and targets the person who questions ? Why so much groupism here !

I wish to say more but not now. I hope that this thread improves its quality . We should set precedent to other youngsters in this forum. Hope it happens through us.

Hope I am considered as a villain or unwanted person here because of my views above.


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saradhaa_sn
17th November 2007, 01:46 PM
Dear Irene Hastings...

Regarding your 'Point no: 'd'

We, all NT fans treating the views and thought of all hubbers as fair and give respect for them. But, at the same time 'some' hubbers, in the name of freedom, doing mud slinging on NT and un-wantedly damaging NT's name and fame, by giving wrong informations, which we are not able to digest.

If we reply for them with proper reasons, does it seems for you as unfairness..????.

Billgates
17th November 2007, 04:09 PM
Friends ( when I mention friends, that include Murali Srinivasar sir also . I have no hatred . Pls be clear Sir )

Few points for the week end .

TAC and Sivank, All the points which you have mentioned, even I am aware . Pls see my posts. The stories of 1982 to 1986, I am also well informed. So no need to highlight again.
My point here is dragging the names of Jaya Bachan & Amitabh is really unfortunate / sad / disgusting .Whatever may be the reasons for justification.
Politics . Many hubbers have a grouse that Sivaji Sir didnt succeed in politics because he was not an actor in real life. My point is, Sivaji sir had a decent opportunity as a Rajyasabha member in 1982 . This was when Indira gandhi was alive. Sivaji could have represented many issues regarding Tamil nadu and about Country's problems ( irrespective of what CHo says on time and allocation ). Definitely, there was a big opportunity for Sicvaji which he didnt utilise it . If he had done that , he would have had a much better image when he launched his party.
Finally, to declare as a block buster or BOX office hit, one should have the whole of Tamilnadu stats to authenticate. this is my view. If Murali Sar gives only Madurai, how one can conclude on this ?
I also highlighted the BOX office details given by Ragasudha in NT's official website wherein it gives a pathetic less than 40% success rate on movies beyond 100 days. In such a case how Sivaji can be a BO king ? Again, if I raise these queries, I will get a barrage of verbal abuses from fellow supporters. Anyway, if you guys continue to be on the blind path , so be it.

Billgates
17th November 2007, 04:09 PM
Friends ( when I mention friends, that include Murali Srinivasar sir also . I have no hatred . Pls be clear Sir )

Few points for the week end .

TAC and Sivank, All the points which you have mentioned, even I am aware . Pls see my posts. The stories of 1982 to 1986, I am also well informed. So no need to highlight again.
My point here is dragging the names of Jaya Bachan & Amitabh is really unfortunate / sad / disgusting .Whatever may be the reasons for justification.
Politics . Many hubbers have a grouse that Sivaji Sir didnt succeed in politics because he was not an actor in real life. My point is, Sivaji sir had a decent opportunity as a Rajyasabha member in 1982 . This was when Indira gandhi was alive. Sivaji could have represented many issues regarding Tamil nadu and about Country's problems ( irrespective of what CHo says on time and allocation ). Definitely, there was a big opportunity for Sicvaji which he didnt utilise it . If he had done that , he would have had a much better image when he launched his party.
Finally, to declare as a block buster or BOX office hit, one should have the whole of Tamilnadu stats to authenticate. this is my view. If Murali Sar gives only Madurai, how one can conclude on this ?
I also highlighted the BOX office details given by Ragasudha in NT's official website wherein it gives a pathetic less than 40% success rate on movies beyond 100 days. In such a case how Sivaji can be a BO king ? Again, if I raise these queries, I will get a barrage of verbal abuses from fellow supporters. Anyway, if you guys continue to be on the blind path , so be it.

sivank
17th November 2007, 07:11 PM
[tscii:7c0790af10]Mr. Bill Gates, time and again you are bringing the same topic again and again. You brought politics here and some of us answered it and let us leave it in that way. As many mentioned this thread is for NT´s films. You did a great job by discussing Naam priandha Man. I really liked it very much the way how you wrote it.
My kind request to you, don´t waste your talents in provoking and misleading others. Write about NT´s films we will enjoy it.

If the Mods allow it start a new thread about NT´s political side where it would be appropiriate to discuss about his political innings.

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tacinema
17th November 2007, 11:47 PM
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Friends ( when I mention friends, that include Murali Srinivasar sir also . I have no hatred . Pls be clear Sir )

Few points for the week end .

TAC and Sivank, All the points which you have mentioned, even I am aware . Pls see my posts. The stories of 1982 to 1986, I am also well informed. So no need to highlight again.


Billgates: None of the forum member has got any ill-wish against you. It is your language and targeting Murali make us sick and you need to understand that.
If you know everything that happened between 82 and 86, then you should have highlighted them before highlighting other points. why didn't you do that?



My point here is dragging the names of Jaya Bachan & Amitabh is really unfortunate / sad / disgusting .Whatever may be the reasons for justification.
Politics .

if bringing jaya and amitabh makes you said, on the same coin, bringing NT name in politics makes us sad. It is a simple fact and mind it, it is an NT forum. Why don't you understand that?



Many hubbers have a grouse that Sivaji Sir didnt succeed in politics because he was not an actor in real life. My point is, Sivaji sir had a decent opportunity as a Rajyasabha member in 1982 . This was when Indira gandhi was alive. Sivaji could have represented many issues regarding Tamil nadu and about Country's problems ( irrespective of what CHo says on time and allocation ). Definitely, there was a big opportunity for Sicvaji which he didnt utilise it . If he had done that , he would have had a much better image when he launched his party.

Thanks for your advice to NT. NT, in the next incarnation, will take your advice. These are things happened in the past; why don't you let it go? If you were so much concerned about NT's success in politics, then you should have advised him while he was alive. You missed a golden opportunity to become his king-maker.



Finally, to declare as a block buster or BOX office hit, one should have the whole of Tamilnadu stats to authenticate. this is my view. If Murali Sar gives only Madurai, how one can conclude on this ?
I also highlighted the BOX office details given by Ragasudha in NT's official website wherein it gives a pathetic less than 40% success rate on movies beyond 100 days. In such a case how Sivaji can be a BO king ? Again, if I raise these queries, I will get a barrage of verbal abuses from fellow supporters. Anyway, if you guys continue to be on the blind path , so be it.

You say that it is your view - that cannot be taken as a generalized one. Dont force your view to others. There are many NT movies that have been replaced before reaching 100 days to replace his another movie (not another actor movie). I can give you few examples - picked up from Murali and Saradha's points:

1. SESundari - Ramkumar Films - did not celebrate 100 day event - but it was declared a successful one, based on the collection it and number of theaters it was released. I don't know the name of the movie followed, but it was another NT movie replaced it.
2. Needhi - Balaji productions - did not celebrate 100 day event, short of couple of days - but it was a successful one, again based on the collection. Was needhi replaced by another NT movie?
3. thaiku oru thalattu - did not celebrate 100 days (at least in Madurai, I know) - but was declared as a hit, again based on collection. Remember, it was released in late 80s, which was not NT's peak time.

There are many examples like that. In addition, the following will clear your confused (pretended) mind set about NT's BO power (most of these info are collected from this forum and other web articles):

*** NT was the only leading actor whose 5 movies were running at the same time in big cities. All of them, I believe, ran 100+ days
*** NT was the only leading actor who released 2 movies on the same day and both were run-away hits. I know one combination: Sorgam & Engoruntho vandhaal. Both celebrated 100+ days run. Imagine, if they were released on separate days? One of them would have seen silver jubilee. There are at least, two other movie-pairs like this. But, I do not know the movie names. Was it O V Oravu + iru malargal?
*** NT was the only leading actor who tried to give different theme from usual run-of-the mill movies, and in most cases, succeded big time. Imagine, Puthiya paravai in 60s. Can you imagine this theme in 60s?? He did and succeded. Mind it, PP was his own production and it clearly shows his self-confidence. None of the other actors till date has got this success rate.
*** The very fact that so-many producers and directors used NT shows his BO prowess. No producer is doing charity work - can they use an artist if they feel one is not marketable? This is common sense and why dont you understand it? You have seen NT's success movie list in ragasuda web site and did you see a big director/producers list in the web site? Tell me now who is following blind path? It is you my dear friend - come out of vicious discussion
*** One thing I can agree about NT is that his later movies, especially in late 80s did not do well. Otherwise, NT was the BO king and there should not be any dispute. Experimentation always worked with NT and producers made tons of money.
*** By the way, Murali, Saradha and others give his movie details and BO status mostly from late 1960s onwards. In my view, starting from the beginning of NT career (1952) and 1960s, his success was phenomenal and unfortunately, on this forum, we do not have any fans to give those details. If we had one, then you wouldn't be sleeping buddy!!! In fact, his 60s movies had a bigger impact and better money minting than his 70s movies. To take a leaf out and give you a sample, consider his PAA series. What a run - paasamalar, paava manippu, baaga pirivinai - all not high budget movies, but ran 175+ days. Though melodrama, these movies each had different theme, but still succeeded in a *big* way. I wish we had someone on this forum to give these details about 50s and 60s movies. You would definitely run away from this thread, if I had one member to give details. May be, we should approach a personality like film news anandan for this. Stop pretending that you are smart to talk and degrade NT BO power.

Some of the outstanding news about NT BO phenomenon:

1. This is what actor & producer Balaji said about Parasakthi: "I still remember I had to stand in a queue for two days (mind it, 2 days) to get a ticket of Sivaji’s first film, Parasakthi. He was amazing in the film. People talked only about him those days. He was a craze in Tamil Nadu". Of course, MUKA factor is there in Parasakthi, but it was NT who created a new revolution, in first movie itself. More details: http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2001/jul/26bala.htm

2. This is what is written about NT's Gnana Oli in 123moviesonline.com: "Gnana Oli is the first movie released in 5 theaters in chennai and all 5 theaters it completed 100 days". More details: http://123indianonline.com/movies/gnana-oli-1972/. Unlike other actor movies which required high budgets, Gnana oli does not look like a high-budget movie - but it still created a big wave and we even today talk about it, especially the song: "devane ennay". That is an impressive impact - NT's stamp!!.

Additionally, NT has been the only tamil actor, whose movies are still talked about - whether it was parasakthi, uththma puthiran, thooku thooki, andha naal, vpkattabomman, KOtamilzhan, sabash meena (for comic penchant), paasamalar, thiruvilaiyadal, vasantha maaligai, thangapathakkam, pattikada pattanama, tirisoolam and so on- tamil movie critics and regular fans discuss about them even today and the discussion will continue forever. That is the impact and no other tamil actor can match this - including his movie arch rival MGR (Note: I am not making any comparison here - just making my points clear). I have included Tirisoolam here, because you tend to discuss about it more!!

Come out of narrow mind set - be proud that TN produced this phenomenal actor. The first tamil actor who got a respect from bollywood galaxy - why bollywood, according to reports, NT even had respect from hollywood personalities - like Marlon Brando.

We all hope you understand it. Otherwise, do what you have been doing - you would still sing - Naan piditha muyalukku moonu kaal - if you do so, then be it and good luck for your unusual and deviated theme.

NT fans: In my view, responding billgates does not carry any sense and it is mere waste of time. Please let us all stop responding billgates and make this a closed chapter. Let us continue "real" NT discussion.

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Murali Srinivas
18th November 2007, 11:53 AM
Dear All,

I am not in station and travelling. Just browsing on my way. Read all replies. As usual saradhaa and tac were spot on and the reply from the person was also on expected lines. They were not and will not be able to answer the points raised by me. They will talk about integrity of a person but when we give solid proof about the so called integrity they will start saying that we are talking about personal life. They will think if they write like this, people who read this thread would forget that it was started by them.This tactic is being followed by them for the past 1 year but unfortunately all people know their designs.

We all know who is who and who comes in which avatar. Do you know what is their motive behind all these things that has been happening for the past 15 months? The only reason is I should not write about NT's political innings.Why? They fear that their idol's image is at stake.The particular person is so obsessed with this that he will go to any extent to stop that. More IDs would be created and more chaos would be generated. Even the new entrant, don't you see a same pattern (acting as a NT fan but the purpose is to deride NT)? He has not even replied back to my question whether he is the same person who posts in msvtimes.forum? Friends, if you check that forum (URL is available in NT website), his posts always talks about you know whose movies and songs.

But what these people fail to understand is the more you oppose one thing it will grow more stronger and will come back to you. So even a soft person like me is getting determined that I should write more about what I know to defeat these tendencies.

tac, what I meant by let him enjoy is, whether it was lip service or whether he meant it, for 1 year he called me as a elder brother and I really saw him as a udan piravaa ilaya sahodaran just like I treat you,joe,groucho and other youngsters as my brothers. So adhanall than enakku kobam varuvatharkku badhilaga varutham varugirathu. But unfortunately when he has something else in his mind, it becomes inevitable to answer him in different tone.

Hope at least now, let them realise that they are fighting a losing battle where neither facts nor justice (or shall I say Dharma?) is on their side. Let us start speaking about NT again.

Will meet you in 2,3 days. Till then

Regards

joe
19th November 2007, 06:56 AM
Murali Sir,
As you know ,I have typed your mohanlal article translation in tamil and posted in my blog.

Yesterday DinaMani Kathir , this article is mentioned and recommented with photoshot of my blog :D

http://www.dinamani.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=DNK20071117081042&Title=Kadhir&lTitle=%A7%5DU%A6+L%A7o&Topic=0&dName=No+Title&Dist=

http://etamil.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post_17.html

Congrats Murali sir :D

joe
19th November 2007, 08:34 PM
tacinema,
Thanks for many details :D

Thirumaran
19th November 2007, 10:02 PM
Yesterday DinaMani Kathir , this article is mentioned and recommented with photoshot of my blog :D


Great Work Joe :thumbsup: and Murali Sir :notworthy:

joe
20th November 2007, 09:27 AM
Thanks ThiruMaran :D

In Vijay TV 'Grand Master' programme ,Actress Urvasi participated .In identifying an 'incident' round ,Urvasi had 'NT was honoured in US as a one day mayor of Nayagara City ' .But Grandmaster couldn't figure out since the incident happened in US and so he can't imagine it can be related to some Tamil actor ..But finally after he gave up ,urvasi gave a clue and and he was able to figure out it is related to Chevalier Sivaji :D

Irene Hastings
21st November 2007, 03:37 PM
Saradha Madam

I saw your good writing about moondru deivangal in msv forum. With your permission, I am posting it here . :D

Irene Hastings
21st November 2007, 03:38 PM
[tscii:6845a0ccf1]"மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்" (PART – I)

நடிகர் திலகத்தின் படங்களில் சோகமே இல்லாத முழுக்க முழுக்க நகைச்சுவைப்படங்களைப் பட்டியலிட்டால் கீழ்க்கண்ட படங்கள் நிச்சயம் இடம் பெறும்.

சபாஷ் மீனா
பலே பாண்டியா
ஊட்டிவரை உறவு
கலாட்டா கல்யாணம்
சுமதி என் சுந்தரி
மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்

இதில் மற்ற எல்லாப்படங்களையும் விட மக்களுக்கு அதிகம் பரிச்சயமில்லாத படம் என்று 'மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்' படத்தை சொல்லலாம். உண்மையில் சிறையிலிருந்து தப்பி வந்த மூன்று குற்றவாளிகளைப்பற்றிய கதை. இதே படம் பின்னர் இந்தியில் தயாரிக்கப் பட்டபோது 'தீன் சோர்' (மூன்று திருடர்கள்) என்ற பெயரிலேயே எடுக்கப்பட்டது. திருடர்களை திருடர்கள் என்ற பெயரிலேயே எடுப்பதை விட அவர்களுக்கு தெய்வங்கள் என்று பெயர் வைத்து, அவர்கள் எப்படி தெய்வங்கள் ஆகிறார்கள் என்று காட்டுவதுதானே விசேஷம்.

கதைச்சுருக்கம்:

சிறையிலிருந்து மூன்று கைதிகள் நள்ளிரவில் தப்பித்து வரும் காட்சியோடு படம் துவங்குகிறது. சிவா (சிவாஜி), முத்து (முத்துராமன்), நாகு (நாகேஷ்) ஆகியோர்தான் அந்த மூன்று கைதிகள். (அவரவர்கள் பெயரில் பாதியையே பாத்திரத்துக்கு வைத்து விட்டார்கள்). எப்படிப்பட்ட பூட்டையும் உடைத்து திருடக்கூடிய கைதேர்ந்த திருடன் சிவா, சந்தேகத்தினால் மனைவியைக் கொலை செய்த முத்து, யாருடைய கையெழுத்தையும் சுலப்மாகப்போட்டு 'ஃபோர்ஜரி' பண்ணக்கூடிய நாகு மூவருமே அந்த கைதிகள். தப்பி வந்த அவர்கள் எங்கே அடைக்கலம் புகுவது என்ற யோசனையில், சுப்பையாவின் கடையில் ரெடிமேட் துணிகலை திருடி போட்டுக்கொண்டு நிற்க, அவர்கள் ஓடு மாற்ற வந்தவர்கள் என்று நினைக்கும் சுப்பையா, பின்னர் அவர்களின் சேவையில் மகிழ்ந்து போய் அடைக்கலம் கொடுக்கிறார். தங்களுக்கு இப்படி ஒரு அருமையான அடைக்கலம் கிடைத்ததை எண்ணி மகிழும் அவர்கள் அதை இழக்க விரும்பாமல் அக்குடுமபத்தின் அனைத்து வேலைகளையும் தங்கள் தலையில் இழுத்துப்போட்டு செய்து, அக்குடும்பத்துடன் ஒன்றி விடுகிறார்கள். வீட்டு வாசலில் கடை வைத்து நடத்திவரும் சுப்பையா, கடை நிர்வாகத்தையும் அவர்களிடம் ஒப்படைக்கிறார்.

இந்நிலையில் சுப்பையாவுடைய மகள் சந்திரகலா சிவகுமாரைக் காதலிக்கிறார். சிவகுமாரை வளர்த்து வரும் அவருடைய பெரியப்பா (வி.கே.ராமசாமி) வடிகட்டிய கஞ்சன். சிவகுமாருக்கு தான் செய்த செலவுகள் அனைத்தையும் ஒரு நோட்டில் எழுதி வைத்துக் கொண்டு, அந்தப்பணம் முழுவதையும் வரதட்சணயாக தருபவரின் பெண்ணுக்கே சிவகுமாரை திருமணம் செய்து வைப்பதாக கண்டிஷன் போட்டிருப்பார். சிவகுமாரோ பெரியப்பாவுக்கு பயந்த பிள்ளை. இந்த கண்டிஷனை மறைந்திருந்து கேட்கும் சிவா, முத்து, நாகு மூவரும் இதற்கு ஒரு வழி பண்ணி சிவகுமாரையும் சந்திரகலாவையும் சேர்த்துவைக்க தீர்மானிக்கிறார்கள்.

இதற்கிடையே, சுப்பையாவுக்கு வட்டிக்கு கடன் கொடுத்திருக்கும் எம்.ஆர்.ஆர். வாசு, தன்னுடைய (கிறுக்கு) மகன் மூர்த்திக்கு சந்திரகலாவை திருமணம் செய்து தர வேண்டும் என்றும் இல்லாவிட்டால் சுப்பையாவை கடனுக்காக கோர்ட்டுக்கு இழுப்பேன் என்றும் மிரட்ட, சுப்பையா ஆடிப்போகிறார். ஆனால் இம்மூவரும் அவரை பயப்பட வேண்டாம் என்றும், தாங்கள் பார்த்துக்கொள்வதாகவும் கூறுகிறார்கள்.

முதலில் வாசு வீட்டுக்கு நள்ளிரவில் போகும் சிவாவும் நாகுவும், கடன் பத்திரத்தை திருடி, அதில் பூராக் கடனையும் பெற்றுக்கொண்டதாக எழுதி வாசுவைப்போல கையெழுத்துப்போட்டு வைத்து விட்டு வருகிறார்கள் (அதுக்குத்தான் யாருடைய கையெழுத்தையும் போடும் நாகேஷ் இருக்கிறாரே). அடுத்து வி.கே.ஆர்.வீட்டுக்கு நள்ளிரவில் புகுந்து, பணத்தைக் கொள்ளையடித்து வருகிறார்கள் (பூட்டை உடைக்கும் சிவாவின் கைங்கர்யத்தால்). மறு நாள் மாறு வேடத்தில் சந்திரகலாவின் வெளிநாட்டு மாமன்கள் என்று சொல்லிக் கொண்டு வி.கே.ஆர் வீட்டுக்குப்போய், அவரிடம் கொள்ளையடித்த பணத்தை அவரிடமே வரதட்சணையாக கொடுத்து விட்டு, திருமணத்துக்க சம்மதம் வாங்கி வருகிறார்கள். பணம் தந்தது சுப்பையாவுக்கு தெரியக்கூடாது என்றும் வி.கே.ராமசாமியை எச்சரித்து விட்டு வருகிறார்கள்.

நடப்பது எல்லாம் சுப்பையாவுக்கும் அவருடைய குடும்பத்தாருக்கும் ஆச்சரியத்தை அளிக்கிறது. பெண்பார்க்கும் படலம் எல்லாம் முடிந்து திருமண நாள் அன்று இம்மூவருக்கும் சோதனை ஏற்படுகின்றது. திருமணத்துக்கு, விகேஆரின் நண்பரான ஜெயில வருகிறார். அதை மூவரில் ஒருவர் பார்த்துவிட்டு மற்றவர்களிடம் சொல்ல, மூவரும் மணப்பந்தலுக்கு வராமல் உள்ளேயே பதுங்கிக்கொள்கிறார்கள். பந்தலுக்கு அவர்கள் வந்தே ஆக வேண்டும் என்று சுப்பையா தம்பதியர் வற்புறுத்த, வேறு வழியில்லாமல் அவகளிடம் மட்டும் தாங்கள் யார் என்று சொல்லி, தாங்கள் இப்போது பந்தலுக்கு வந்தால் ஜெயிலர் கண்களில் மாட்டி, உண்மை வெளியாகி, அதனால் இவ்வளவு சிரமப்பட்டு ஏற்பாடு செய்த திருமணம் நின்று போய் விடும் என்று கூறி, தாங்கள் மூவரும் யாருக்கும் தெரியாமல் போக விரும்புவதாக கூறி வெளியேறுகின்றனர். 'உங்களையே குற்றவாளிகள் என்றால், உலகில் யார்தான் நல்லவர்கள்' என்று கண்கலங்கும் சுப்பையா தம்பதியர் அவர்களுக்கு பிரியா விடை கொடுக்கின்றனர்.
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Irene Hastings
21st November 2007, 03:39 PM
[tscii:42b5e66d8d]"மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்" (PART – II)

திருமண வீட்டை விட்டு வெளியேறிய அவர்கள் எங்கே போவது என்று யோசித்து, தாங்கள் வந்த இடத்துக்கே (சிறைச்சாலைக்கு திரும்பி செல்வதே) சரியென்று முடிவெடுக்கின்றனர். (இதே முடிவை கல்யாண வீட்டில் எடுத்திருந்தால் கல்யாணம் நின்று போயிருக்கும்). அதன்படி அருகிலுள்ள காவல் நிலையத்தில் சென்று சரணடைகின்றனர். காவல் நிலையத்திலிருந்து சிறைச்சாலைக்கு ஜீப்பில் போகும்போது எதிரில் திருமண ஊர்வலம் வர ஜீப் ஒதுங்கி நிற்கிறது. சிவகுமாரையும் சந்திரகலாவையும் திருமண கோலத்தில் (யாருக்கும் தெரியாமல்) பார்த்து விலங்கு பூட்டிய கைகளுடன் அவர்கள் ஆசீர்வதிக்க, திருமண ஊர்வலம் கடந்து போனதும் புறப்படும் ஜீப் இருட்டில் சென்று மறைய, அதுவரை நம் கண்களில் கோர்த்து நின்ற கண்ணீர் முத்துக்கள் சட்டென்று நம் கன்னங்களில் வழிய.......... திரையில் "வணக்கம்".

படம் முழுக்க நகைச்சுவையால் நம் வயிறு குலுங்க சிக்க வைத்த்வர்கள் கடைசி பதினைந்து நிமிடங்கள் நம் மனத்தை உணர்ச்சி மயமாக்கி விடுவார்கள். (அது என்னவோ நடிகர் திலகத்தின் படமென்றால், அது நகைச்சுவைப் படமேயானாலும் இறுதியில் உணர்ச்சிகளின் சங்கமத்தோடுதான் அரங்கை விட்டு வெளியே வரவேண்டும் என்பது எழுதப்படாத விதி போலும். அதற்கு இப்பட்மும் தப்பவில்லை).

இந்தப்படத்தில் இன்னொரு முக்கிய கட்டம். ரிட்டயர்ட் போலீஸ் அதிகாரியான வி.எஸ்.ராகவனிடம் ஜெயிலர் சிவா, முத்து, நாகு மூவரின் படத்தைக்காட்டி 'இவர்களைப் பார்த்ததுண்டா' எனக் கேட்க, தன் சந்தேகத்தை நிவர்த்தி செய்துகொள்ள வீட்டிற்குச்செல்வார் வி.எஸ் ராகவன். அப்போது ஒரு குழந்தை பீரோ ஒன்றுக்குள் சென்று கதவை சாத்திக்கொள்ள அது தானாக பூட்டிக்கொள்ளும். யார் யாரோ என்னென்னவோ முயற்சி செய்து பார்க்க, அந்நேரம் வி.எஸ்.ராகவன் அங்கு வர, எந்தப்பூட்டையும் திறக்கும் சாமர்த்தியம் கொண்ட சிவாஜி, அவரைப் பார்த்து செய்வதறியாது திகைத்து நிற்பார். அவர் கண்முன்னே பீரோவைத் திறந்தால் வலிய மாட்டிக்கொள்ள நேரிடும். இருந்தாலும் குழந்தையின் அழுகுரலில் நெகிழ்ந்து போகும் சிவாஜி, என்ன ஆனாலும் சரியென்று பூட்டை திறந்து விடுவார். திரும்பிப் பார்த்தால் அங்கு வி.எஸ்.ஆர் இல்லை. சிவாவின் மனிதாபிமானத்தில் மனம் கனத்துபோன ராகவன், ஜெயிலரிடம் சென்று 'நான் சொன்ன ஆட்கள் இவர்களில்லை. இது வேறு யாரோ' என்று சொல்லி அவரை அனுப்பி விடுவார்.

நடிகர் திலகம் இப்படத்தில் முழுக்க முழுக்க ஜோடியில்லாமல் நடித்திருப்பார். அவர் மட்டுமல்ல முத்துராமன் நாகேஷ் இவர்களுக்கும் ஜோடி கிடையாது. இந்தப்படத்தின் கதையமைப்பின் படி இவர்களுக்கு ஜோடி கொடுத்திருந்தால் கதையோட்டத்துக்குப் பொருந்தாது என்று நினைத்ததுதான் காரணம். எனவே, சிறையிலிருந்து தப்பி வந்தவர், வந்து தங்கிய இடத்தில் ஒரு பெண்ணின் மேல் காதல் கொண்டார் என்று கதையமைத்து, கூடவே கனவில் இரண்டு டூயட் பாடுவது போன்ற அபத்தமான கற்பனைகளையெல்லாம் கதாசிரியரும் இயக்குநரும் புகுத்தவில்லை. நடிகர் திலகமும் தனக்கு ஜோடி இருந்தே ஆக வேண்டும் என்றும் வற்புறுத்தவில்லை.

ஜோடியில்லாமல் நடிப்பது நடிகர் திலகத்துக்கு புதியது அல்ல. ஏற்கெனவே பழனி, மனிதரில் மாணிக்கம், காவல் தெய்வம் போன்ற பல படங்களில் ஜோடியில்லாமல்தான் நடித்திருப்பார். நெஞ்சிருக்கும் வரை, ராமன் எத்தனை ராமனடி போன்ற படங்களிலும் இவருக்கு ஜோடி கிடையாது. கதாநாயகியாக கே.ஆர்.விஜயா இருப்பார். ஆனால் இவருக்கு ஜோடியாக அல்ல. சிவாஜி தனி ட்ராக்கில்தான் போய்க் கொண்டிருப்பார். இது போக பாபு, ஞான ஒளி போன்ற படங்களில் இவருக்கு வெறும் பத்து நிமிட ஜோடிகள்தான் (முறையே விஜயஷ்ரீ, விஜயநிர்மலா). அதன்பின்னர் இவருடைய தனி ஆவர்த்தனம்தான். எனவே 'மூன்று தெய்வங்களில்' இவருக்கு ஜோடியில்லாதது ஆச்சரியம் இல்லை. இவரைப்பொறுத்தவரையில் ஜோடி என்பது JUST ‘ADDITIONAL’ AND NOT AN ‘ESSENTIAL’.

அத்துடன் நடிகர்திலகம் இப்படடத்தில் மேக்கப் இல்லாமலும், சொந்த தலைமுடியுடனும் நடித்திருப்பார். அப்போது இவையில்லாமல் கதாநாயகர்கள் நடிப்பது மிக மிக அபூர்வம். நெஞ்சிருக்கும் வரை படத்தில் ஸ்ரீதர் எல்லோருக்கும் மேக்கப் இல்லாமல் எடுத்திருப்பார். (ஆனால் பிற்பகுதியில் முததுராமன் கே.ஆர்.விஜயா இவர்களுக்கு மேக்கப் உண்டு). மூன்று தெய்வங்களில் சிவாஜி மட்டுமே மேக்கப் இல்லாமல் நடித்திருப்பார்.
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Saradha Prakash[/tscii:42b5e66d8d]

Irene Hastings
21st November 2007, 03:40 PM
[tscii:478ec7f6aa]மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்" (PART – III)

பாடல்களை கவியரசர் கண்ணதாசன் எழுத, 'மெல்லிசை மாமன்னர்' எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதன் இசைய*மைத்திருந்தார். முதல் பாடல், சந்திரகலா குளித்துக்கொண்டே பாடும் "தேன் மழையிலே மாங்கனி நனைந்தது" பாடலை பி.சுசீலா தனித்துப் பாடியிருப்பார்.

சிவகுமார் சந்திரகலா ஜோடியாகப்பாடும் "முள்ளில்லா ரோஜா... முத்தார பொன்னூஞ்சல் கண்டேன்" அந்த நாளைய (இளைய) எஸ்.பி.பி.யின் குரல் நம்மை மயக்கும். கூடவே சுசீலா மேடமும்.

சீர்காழியின் கணீர் குரலில், சுப்பையா பாடுவதாக வரும் "திருப்பதி சென்று திரும்பி வந்தால் ஓர் திருப்பம் நேருமடா" என்ற பாடல், சுப்பையாவின் பீரோவைத் திறந்து மூவரும் கொள்ளையடிக்க முற்படும் வேளையில் இப்பாடல் ஒலிக்க, மூவரும் மனம் மாறி பூஜையறைக்கு வருவதும், பின்னர் திருப்பதி போகும்போது சுப்பையா இவர்களிடமே கடை வியாபாரத்தை ஒப்படைத்துப் போகும்போது மூவரும் நெகிழ்ந்து போய், சுப்பையா குடுமபத்துக்கு உண்மையாக நடக்க உறுதியெடுப்பதும் நெகிழ்ச்சியூட்டும் இடங்கள்.

விகேஆரிடம் வெளிநாட்டு மாமன்களாக மாறு வேடம் போட்டுச் செல்லும் மூவரும், மாறு வேடத்தில் பாடும் "நடப்பது சுகம் என நடத்து" என்ற பாடல் சுவையானதுதான். ஏனோ மக்களைச் சென்றடையவில்லை. அது போலவே வாசுவின் கிறுக்கு மகன் மூர்த்தியுடன் சந்திரகலா பாடும் "நீயொரு செல்லப்பிள்ளை... நானொரு வண்ணக்கிள்ளை..." பாடலும் நல்ல மெட்டமைப்பு. ஆனால் இலக்கை எட்டவில்லை.

மெல்லிசை மன்னரின் இது போன்ற, வெளியில் வராத புதைல்யகள் ஏராளமாய் உள்ளன.

தீபாவளிக் கொண்டாட்ட*த்தின்போது, சுப்பையா குடுமபத்துடன் மூவரும் பாடும் "தாயெனும் செல்வங்கள் தாலாட்டும் தீபம்" பாடலும் நம் மனதில் நிற்கும். (ஆனால் இப்பாடலுக்கு நடிகர் திலகம் அணிந்திருக்கும் MEROON கலர் ஜிப்பா, அவருக்கு கொஞ்சம் கூட பொருந்தாது).

ஆனால் இவையெல்லாவற்றுக்கும் சேர்ந்தாற்போல, அந்த வருடத்தில் சுசீலாவின் மாபெரும் HIT பாடல்களில் ஒன்றான "வசந்தத்தில் ஓர் நாள்" பாடலின் வரிகளும், மெட்டமைப்பும், காட்சியமைப்பும் அருமையோ அருமை. தன்னைப் பெண் பார்க்க வந்த இடத்தில் சிவகுமாரின் பெரியப்பா விகேஆர், ஒரு பாடல் பாடும்படி தன் வருங்கால மருமகள் சந்திரகலாவிடம் கேட்க... அவரது கற்பனை விரிகிறது. ஒருபக்கம் விகேஆரின் பணத்தாசை விரட்ட, மறுபக்கம் வாசுவின் கெடுபிடி நெருக்க, எங்கே தங்களின் காதல் திருமணத்தில் முடியுமோ முடியாதோ என்ற ஏக்கத்தில் இருந்த தனக்கு, எங்கிருந்தோ வந்து தன்னுடைய திருமணத்தை நடத்த அம்மூவரும் மேற்கொள்ளும் முயற்சிகளைக் கண்டு, அவர்கள் மனிதர்கள் என்ற நிலையைத் தாண்டி தன் கண்ணுக்கு தெய்வங்களாகத் தெரிய......

சிவா, முத்து, நாகு மூவரும் முறையே திருமால், சிவன், பிரம்மாவாக வந்து நடத்தி வைக்கும் சீதா ராம கல்யாணம் கதாசிரியர் மற்றும் இயக்குனரின் அபார கற்பனை.

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வைதேகி காத்திருந்தாளோ

மையிட்ட கண்ணோடு மான் விளையாட
மௌனத்தில் ஆழ்ந்திருந்தாளோ தேவி
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திருமால், பிரம்மா, சிவன் எனும் மூவரின்
காவலில் நின்றிருந்தாளோ... தேவி
வைதேகி காத்திருந்தாளோ

பொன்வண்ண மாலையை ஸ்ரீராமன் கையில்
மூவரும் கொண்டு தந்தாரோ... அங்கே
பொங்கும் மகிழ்வோடு மங்கல நாளில்
ம*ங்கையை வாழ்த்த* வ*ந்தாரோ
சீருடன் வந்துசீத*ன*ம் த*ந்து
சீதையை வாழ* வைத்தாரோ...
தேவி.. வைதேகி காத்திருந்தாளோ

வசந்தத்தில் ஓர்நாள் மணவறை ஓரம்
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வைதேகி காத்திருந்தாளோ

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Irene Hastings
21st November 2007, 03:40 PM
மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்" (LAST PART)

இப்படத்தில் நடிகர் திலகம், முத்துராமன், நாகேஷ், எஸ்.வி.சுப்பையா, ருக்மணி, எம்.ஆர்.ஆர்.வாசு, வெண்ணிற ஆடை மூர்த்தி, சிவகுமார், சந்திரகலா, ஜெயகௌசல்யா (சுப்பையாவின் கண்ணில்லாத மகள்), வி.கே.ராமசாமி, வி.எஸ்.ராகவன் என பலரும் நடித்துள்ளனர்.

'ஸ்ரீ புவனேஸ்வரி மூவீஸார்' தயாரித்த மூன்று தெய்வங்கள் படத்துக்கு 'சித்ராலயா' கோபு திரைக்கதை வசன*ம் எழுதியிருந்தார். (கோபு இருக்கும் இடத்தில் சிரிப்பு இல்லாமல் இருக்குமா. இவர் அடுத்த ஆண்டில் (1972) 'காசேதான் கடவுள*டா' படம் மூலமாக இயக்குநர் ஆனார்). நடிகர் திலகத்தின் காவியப்படங்களான 'இரத்தத் திலகம்', 'புதிய பறவை' படங்களை இயக்கிய தாதாமிராஸி, மூன்று தெய்வங்கள் படத்தை இயக்கியிருந்தார். கொஞ்சம் கூட போரடிக்காமல் இரண்டரை மணி நேரமும் பொழுதுபோக்கு அம்சங்கள் நிறைந்த படமாக அமைத்திருந்தார். நடிகர் திலகத்தின் படங்களில் மிகச் சிக்கனமாக தயாரிக்கப்பட்ட படங்களில் இதுவும் ஒன்று.

1971 ஆகஸ்டு 15 அன்று வெளியான் இப்படம் சென்னை சித்ரா, மகாராணி, மேகலா, ராம் ஆகிய நான்கு திரையரங்குகளில் திரையிடப்பட்டது. எல்லா அரங்குகளிலும் ஐம்பது நாட்களைக்கடந்து ஓடிய இப்படம் அதிக பட்சமாக திருச்சி ஜூபிடர் மற்றும் மதுரையில் 10 வாரங்களைக் கடந்தது. நடிகர்திலகத்தின் பொழுதுபோக்குப்படங்களில் 'மூன்று தெய்வங்களுக்கு' நிச்சயம் இடம் உண்டு.

'மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்' திரைப்படத்தைப் பற்றிய என்னுடைய பதிவைப் படித்த நல் இதயங்களுக்கு நன்றி.
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Irene Hastings
21st November 2007, 03:43 PM
Saradha Madam or Murali Sir,

Can you write about Babu ? nice movie . Our NT acted as the real ( Original ) handrickshaw puller ! Good movie .

leosimha
21st November 2007, 03:45 PM
Thanks ThiruMaran :D

In Vijay TV 'Grand Master' programme ,Actress Urvasi participated .In identifying an 'incident' round ,Urvasi had 'NT was honoured in US as a one day mayor of Nayagara City ' .But Grandmaster couldn't figure out since the incident happened in US and so he can't imagine it can be related to some Tamil actor ..But finally after he gave up ,urvasi gave a clue and and he was able to figure out it is related to Chevalier Sivaji :D

wow...one day mayor of nayagara city in USA. I haven't heard of an actor being honored as mayor of a city for one day. is NT the only actor (from India) to have been honored as mayor?

saradhaa_sn
21st November 2007, 04:16 PM
Saradha Madam

I saw your good writing about moondru deivangal in msv forum. With your permission, I am posting it here . :D

Irene Hastings,

This post is already here in 'Nadigar Thilagam' thread. First I posted here only.

I think you have not visited first page of this thread. If you go there you can see the link pages for various movies me and other friends wrote. Please check.

joe
21st November 2007, 06:14 PM
is NT the only actor (from India) to have been honored as mayor?

Yes! He is the only Indian actor and second indian after Jawaharlal Nehru :D

Murali Srinivas
21st November 2007, 07:13 PM
Dear Joe,

Congrats. Ungal Valai Poo melum melum pugazh perattum. Ithil ennuduiya pangalippu enbathu ondrume illai. As I told earlier " Ella Pugazhum NT Avargalukke". Also we should thank Lal.

IH,

I have not seen Babu in the recent past. That is one movie which needs to be told of all it's intricacies. Moser Baer had released Bharatha Vilas DVD (another Cine Bharath Production, ACT's own) and therefore Babu should also be forthcoming.If I got to see it, will definitely post here.

Regards

tacinema
21st November 2007, 08:18 PM
is NT the only actor (from India) to have been honored as mayor?

Yes! He is the only Indian actor and second indian after Jawaharlal Nehru :D

Joe,

Congrats for Dinamani - Kathir article. Great work and you deserve this Joe.

NT was the honorable one-day mayor of Niagra city in US. Who recommended him for this ? Why did he get this honor? Any more details on this ....?

Shakthiprabha.
21st November 2007, 10:02 PM
Joe,

:clap:

Dear all,

When such interesting /informative talks are going on, I feel pretty embarassed to come up with a trivial doubt/question.

I happen to watch " வா கண்ணா வா" in ktv this afternoon. As my luck would have it, I had some guests visiting me just when the movie was half telecasted.

So I wanna know, what happens in the climax? What is the story? Shivaji and sujatha were too happy to spend time with the young boy of their tenants...

and then what?

Billgates
22nd November 2007, 09:20 AM
http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/22/stories/2007112259120100.htm

Goldstone have acquired rights for some of Vahini pictures movies to convert fm black to color ! Rapid changing technology !

If we can convert some of Sivaji's B&W movies to color , how will they impact us ! May be the famous Bhimsing movies can be experimented.

Besides, movies like Uthamaputhiran, Manohara etc where lot of sets have been made, they may look more attractive

joe
22nd November 2007, 11:39 AM
http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/22/stories/2007112259120100.htm

Goldstone have acquired rights for some of Vahini pictures movies to convert fm black to color ! Rapid changing technology !

If we can convert some of Sivaji's B&W movies to color , how will they impact us ! May be the famous Bhimsing movies can be experimented.

Besides, movies like Uthamaputhiran, Manohara etc where lot of sets have been made, they may look more attractive

I think movies like DeivaMagan ,Navarathiri ,Gnana Oli can be added in this list.

kamath
22nd November 2007, 12:09 PM
I have heard that puthiya paravai had only an average run wehen it was released.

I have aslo heard that pamphlets for the film & the MGR starrer "Anbe vaa" (which was also released at that time) were dropped by helicopters.

Is it true?

joe
22nd November 2007, 12:39 PM
I have heard that puthiya paravai had only an average run wehen it was released.

It was a hit ,not a super hit ,but did extremely well in later releases.


I have aslo heard that pamphlets for the film & the MGR starrer "Anbe vaa" (which was also released at that time) were dropped by helicopters.

Is it true?

I think ,Puthiya paravai released in 1964 ,but Anbe Vaa released in 1966 ..You mean Puthiya Paravai ran for 2 years ? :lol:

kamath
22nd November 2007, 06:02 PM
Joe,

I only asked if it is true.

In case U are unable to reply properly, U put a laughter icon.

& U are the moderator.

Pity!

joe
22nd November 2007, 06:11 PM
Joe,

I only asked if it is true.

In case U are unable to reply properly, U put a laughter icon.

& U are the moderator.

Pity!

Without knowing the two movies released in diffrent time ,you bring unwanted questions.

There is a group nicely bring MGR name here and when NT fans reply to follow up ,they come with another face to create problems ..How long you guys will continue to do the same :huh:

kamath
22nd November 2007, 06:36 PM
Joe,

I only asked if what I have heard is true.

Also there was no comparison with MGR film in my post.

Try & understand that first.

Murali Srinivas
22nd November 2007, 10:01 PM
[tscii:f90d3360b0]Utthama Puthiran

Producer: Venus Pictures

Director: T.Prakash Rao

Story – Dialogues: Sridhar

Music: G.Ramanathan

Release: 1958

Adapted from Alexander Dumas’s “Man in the Iron Mask”, this film was earlier made in Tamil in late 1930s with P.U.Chinnappa in the lead and that turned out to be the first Tamil film which featured dual roles. Later in the second half of the 1950s, the same was remade and there was a tussle between NT and the opposite camp for remaking this film. It seems that on the same day two ads came out in the newspaper which announced the launch of the same film under different banners, one with NT in the lead and the other with MGR. There were negotiations and finally the other banner withdrew.

Coming to the film, the story is set in a historical period and the film opens with the queen of Malarpuri Kingdom in an advanced stage of pregnancy under labour pain. The King is away and the queen’s brother Naganathan plots the downfall of King. With the help of a lieutenant and a servant maid he arranges for the swapping of the new born with a still born baby and the new born is given to another person who is asked to kill the baby. But thwarting his scheme, the queen gives birth to a second child and everybody becomes aware of the new born. Also the person who was handed over the baby doesn’t kill the baby but instead decides to bring up the child on his own.

Naganathan in pursuit of his ambition ends the life of the king by poisoning him. The king on his death bed puts Naganathan in charge of bringing up his son in a proper manner till he comes of age. Naganathan agrees but decides that he would bring up his nephew as drunkard and womaniser and does so. On the other hand the elder son growing up in the outskirts of the kingdom is taught all the trades and he becomes a great warrior.

Naganathan arranges for the crowning of the Prince Vikraman but cleverly makes Vikraman announce that his uncle would be in charge of the kingdom’s administration. The Minister Jayaseelar is a loyal servant to the king and queen and he has one daughter Amudhavalli. Parthiban the estranged prince meets her while she is going to Malarpuri and it is love at first sight for both of them.

Vikraman also chances to see her and he is attracted by her beauty. Naganathan sensing an opportunity to establish his foot hold firmly urges Vikraman to marry Amudha so that the
Minister also comes to their side. Now Amudha becomes a resident of the palace and Parthiban unable to meet her outside, does a dare devil act of entering the palace and meets her. But on the second attempt he is caught by the guards and in fact he enters into a fight with his brother Vikraman. He manages to escape from the clutches of the guards but Vikraman realising that there is a look alike person wants to kill him. The Minister Jayaseelar understands that Parthiban indeed was born to the king and he is the rightful heir to the kingdom. He informs the same to the queen.


Parthiban and his step father are captured and Vikraman pronounces death sentence for Parthiban. His mother intervenes and informs him that Parthiban is his own brother. But
Vikraman is brain washed by his uncle that as long as Parthiban is alive, he will not get the throne. This makes Vikraman put up Parthiban in a prison cell and he covers Parthiban’s head with a iron mask. Parthiban‘s friend with the help of Amudha and a servant maid releases Parthiban and puts Vikraman in place of Parthiban with the mask on. Parthiban now acting as Vikraman reverses the decision taken earlier by his brother. But Vikraman
rescued from the prison comes to the Durbar hall and there starts a fight. Naganathan and his cronies are killed. Vikraman defeated by his brother Parthiban runs away and kills himself. It is wedding bells for Parthiban and Amudha and Parthiban rightfully takes the
Crown and becomes the King.

To be contd

Regards

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Murali Srinivas
22nd November 2007, 10:09 PM
[tscii:24333f1f68]Part II

As it goes without saying this was one of the Super hit movies which did so well at the BO as well as it was critically acclaimed. NT for the first time in his career did dual roles and he showed how an actor could differentiate two characters so effectively. Right from the introduction till the end he carried the film in his shoulders effortlessly. On the outset it would appear that NT’s Vikraman would seem to win hands down but on a closer scrutiny NT would have made Parthiban equally memorable. While Vikraman was a tailor made role, Parthiban required more attention as the character didn’t get any sympathetic considerations from the screen play. In spite of Vikraman being anti- heroic, you would feel for him when he is imprisoned in the cell. Of course he gets the sympathy in the end also as he kills himself. He would emerge as a spoilt brat.

Now talking about specific scenes, the introduction of Vikraman with “Yaradee Nee Mohini“sets the tone for things to come. NT with his stylish steps would steal the show from all the dancers including Helen. The gamut of expressions that his face expresses is a treat to watch. Whether it is the banter he indulges with his uncle or the anger when he comes across his own sibling, the lust when he eyes Amudha, his reaction when his mother accuses him of wrong doing all makes a compulsive viewing. His speech at the crowning ceremony when he keeps his uncle in tender hooks when he delays the announcement of handing over the admin to his uncle (with a wry grin “Seivom! Seivom!”) is one such example. Same manner when Naganathan explains the advantage of marrying Amudha, he reacts “Eppadi ivvalavu ariya alochanaigalai alli thelikeerergal” to which Naganathan replies “Ellam arasiyal anubavam”. Immediately with his face turning towards the camera and with a wink of his eyes and a sarcastic smile utters “Irukkum! Irukkum!” He strictly orders his uncle that they should not fail in nabbing Parthiban. An angry uncle quizzes “naan enna muttalla”. Without batting an eyelid and with dead seriousness Vikraman says “Amam” and walks away. There would be many scenes which would show case the different emotions of Vikraman and to quote a few. Naganathan tells Vikraman “Avanai polave nee irupathal”, intervening Vikraman retorts “Ennai polave avan irukiran”. Uncle suggests “Avan thalaiyai kondu varubavargalukku 1000 pon(n) parisu endru arivithuviduvoma”, udane “mechinen! mechinen!” endru Vikraman badhil sollivittu “En mama yaaravadhu en thalaiyai kondu vandhu ungalidum koduthuvittal?” endru ketkum pothu andha mugathai parka vendume! Uncle “yosikka vendiya vishyam”, Vikraman “Illai! Illai! Adiyodu marakkapada vendiya vishyam”. Wow! How he changes his expressions.

Inside the prison when his brother and mother try reasoning with him to see the truth, Vikraman’s face would reflect the wave of emotions sweeping through his heart. His reaction “Mama appadiyum seidhu paarkalama” is a piece to watch. When his mother tries to hurt herself, both the brothers rush to her side. Pointing to this the mother tells Vikraman to understand to which Vikraman agrees that anbu, paasam, thudippu are the same for them but quickly adds “adhu pole en manadhil irukkum aasai pole avanukkun vandhu vital? Adhanal avan siraiyil iruppathudhan nalladhu” and locks him up. Another scene worth recalling is the one where he goes disguised as Parthiban to meet Amudha to find out the whereabouts of Parthiban. Having found out what he wanted, he takes leave starts walking back, stops suddenly and the look he sports on his face with a grin while looking at Amudha is worth watching multiple times. We can go on like this about NT as Vikraman.

Coming to Parthiban, he is more of a down to earth character and NT makes it sit in your heart. Whether it is the song sequences or the romantic interludes or the palace/prison scenes or the engagements with his friend all are done with a flourish. Even the sword fights, not the forte of NT are well etched out. To cut a long story short, as it happens when you watch a NT movie where he dons more than one role, here also the same feeling sweeps you. Both characters are played by different persons and not by a single man.

Padmini as Amudha is vivacious and she is beauty personified during the song sequences. Raagini as her friend does her job neatly and Thangavelu as the friend of Parthiban breezes through the role. Nambiar as the villain Naganathan is his usual self and OAK Thevar as his crony is adequate. Kannamba as the queen doesn’t get many chances to show her histrionics. MK Radha makes a brief experience as the King.

Sridhar is known for his down to earth dialogues in social flicks but here he does justice to the job undertaken. Vincent’s camera work especially the scenes where the camera captures both NTs in a single frame is worth watching. When one NT goes round the chair where another NT is seated is amazing considering it is done almost 50 years ago. With everybody playing their part to perfection, director T.Prakash Rao has the simple job of putting things in place.

Coming to the last part, yes music. When we say it is G.Ramanathan, do we need to say more? All songs are evergreen hits.

Yaaradee Nee Mohini

Mannulugellam ponnulaga maaridum velai

Mullai malar mela

Kaathiruppan Kamalakannan

Anbe Amudhe

Kondattam manasukkule kondattam

Unnazagai Kanniyargal sonnadhinale

Podi vaikiran! Podiyan sokkuran

Regards

PS: There is one scene. When Kannamba fed up with Vikraman's behaviour would walk into his room and admonish him. NT would get up,go to a spring and start rolling back and front without uttering a word. Our fellow hubber Kannnan had beautifully described this scene and if my memory serves me right it is there in Part I. Go through that also.[/tscii:24333f1f68]

sivank
22nd November 2007, 10:18 PM
Thank you Murali for a very good narration. I saw this movie umteen years ago. I still remeber most of the scenes. The Body language of NT as Vikraman was really great.
The music by the great G.R is something which can nver by erased. The scene in which Amudha sings Kaathiruppan Kamala kannan and the action by NT as Parthiban was really great

Shakthiprabha.
22nd November 2007, 10:46 PM
I dont know if ppl would enjoy me sharing this incident here. I had an aunty who would recollect HER MOTHERINLAW's behaviour in cinema theatre while they watched this movie MANOHARA.

She was shivaji's ardent fan and obviously was emotionally taken over by Shivaji's acting, and used to curse kaNNaamba for not letting him take strong action (right in theatre she was muttering under her breath)

In the last scene, when kannamba says

"poruthathu pothum... pongi ezhu"

this old lady royally commented

"podi pokkathavaLE....ivLo neram adi vaanga vechutu... ippo thaan buddi vanthutha... unnai mathiri pongaL irukarathaala thaan naatula nallavangaLukku kaalam illai"

SO SAYING SHE ROYALLY WALKED OUT OF THEATRE.

The whole lot of audience were laughing I guess

sivank
22nd November 2007, 10:52 PM
[tscii:3e35e9b20a]SP, I think this vasanam Poruthadhu podhum pongi ezhu, comes in Manogara[/tscii:3e35e9b20a]

tacinema
23rd November 2007, 06:54 AM
Murali,

Great write up on UPuthiran. This movie has got a whole history with it. I still remember my periamma's dad, a big time fan of NT, said during his teens he had a crush on Padmini and saw this movie over 25 times during his first release in Madurai. It is another matter my periamma herself must have seen this umpteen number of times just for stylish NT. There are many such memorable examples - connected to this movie.

Is there anyone in this forum who hasn't seen this movie? I would be shocked if there is anyone.

A movie that is etched in our memory - always feel very fresh in all aspects of film making. A very successful movie that is very advanced considered that it was made in 50s. One of the many NT movies that re-releases too always make a great run - first time, i saw this movie in 80s at Madurai Alankar, where it ran over 2 weeks - Saturday 2nd show(night show) housefull - huge NT banners erected and looking like festivity outside movie hall - memorable days.....

Thanks for taking me back to those days.


[tscii:a806c0b292]Utthama Puthiran

Producer: Venus Pictures

Director: T.Prakash Rao

Story – Dialogues: Sridhar

Music: G.Ramanathan

Release: 1958

Adapted from Alexander Dumas’s “Man in the Iron Mask”, this film was earlier made in Tamil in late 1930s with P.U.Chinnappa in the lead and that turned out to be the first Tamil film which featured dual roles. Later in the second half of the 1950s, the same was remade and there was a tussle between NT and the opposite camp for remaking this film. It seems that on the same day two ads came out in the newspaper which announced the launch of the same film under different banners, one with NT in the lead and the other with MGR. There were negotiations and finally the other banner withdrew.

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Murali,

Any idea how was PUC uththma puthiran? How would you compare his version with NT's?

Uththama Puthiran with any other actor in place of NT? In my view, the movie would have turned out to be a substance without soul.

Again, thanks for nice illustration of UPuthiran.
Regards

Shakthiprabha.
23rd November 2007, 10:35 AM
[tscii:f1bdfd5bee]SP, I think this vasanam Poruthadhu podhum pongi ezhu, comes in Manogara[/tscii:f1bdfd5bee]

After reading kaNNaamba and Shivaji I meant and remembered
MANOHARA only. Sorry for the confusion :(

Shakthiprabha.
23rd November 2007, 11:13 AM
Also remembering fondly, an actress who made MAXIMUM IMPACT as shivaji's mom in the silver screen.

FOR ME ITS ALWAYS

KaNNaamba!

This beautiful lady, with her charming smile won many hearts when she played KANNAGI. She was introduced as a heroine playing opposite to m.k.thyagaraja bhagavathar and later was well remembered in lot of movies where she played perfectly as shivaji's mom!

Also, inspite of telugu her origin her pronunciation was TOO PERFECT that she stole all our hearts as "KANNAGI". It is said she can say pages and pages and pages of dialogue delivery in just a single take. Sad she did not live long.

Some movies which I fondly remember her playing shivaji's mom

MANOHARA
MAKKALAIP PETRA MAHARAASI
PADIKKAADHA MEDHAI
PADITHAAL MATTUM POTHUMA
NICHCHAYA THAMBOOLAM
SELVAM

Murali Srinivas
23rd November 2007, 10:02 PM
tfmlover had posted this link in P.Susheela thread. I am just copy pasting the same here.

watch : http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/tfmlover1/P%20Susheela%20Hits/
Vaanisri

Apart from being a class song, see NT's face. How it conveys the emotions that are sweeping his heart so effortlessly and the following scene again. A silent NT vs talkative Rajan. Must see.

Raghavendran Sir! Specially for you

Regards

Murali Srinivas
23rd November 2007, 10:07 PM
Murali,

Any idea how was PUC uththma puthiran? How would you compare his version with NT's?

Uththama Puthiran with any other actor in place of NT? In my view, the movie would have turned out to be a substance without soul.

Again, thanks for nice illustration of UPuthiran.
Regards

Dear tac,

No idea on PUC's UP. Have never seen it. In fact I haven't seen any films of either PUC or MKT. I believe it was a success.

Forgot to say earlier. Thanks for Enga Mama song. Loved to see a cute NT in a sleek outfit.

Regards

Shakthiprabha.
25th November 2007, 12:09 PM
Yesterday I happen to see, 2 of shivaji's film.

"vaazhkai"

and

"muthal mariyathai"

I am not sure to what the credit is due, but the chemistry between radha and shivaji worked well as compared to ambika where I was able to see ambika and shivaji as dad and daughter rather than a pair.

"Vaazhkai" had a realistic climax scene, where his dearest one, his spouse, whom he loved more than himself calls him 'HEARTLESS'.

Inside this middleclass-turned-business man's mind pain and puzzle goes unsolved. HOW CAN his wife, his dearest SPOUSE love the kids, who crumpled her dear husband's heart? All of a sudden he feels all alone, barren, the whole 60 years of toil and pain meaningless...

His success, his money, his rising from middleclass to a rich business man's level all tarnished and withered off, flew off like a saw dust... when he analyses WHAT IS LIFE? IS HE A SUCCESS OR A FAILURE?

For whom did he work? laugh? cry? earn?
His kids who disowned him during need?
or his wife who did not consider him the TOP MOST priority in her life?

He could not ask these questions to anyone, answers unsolved, he frets, fumes, cries silently and succumbs to fate !!

____

Muthal mariyathai talks about a man's longing, search for a soul, cry for a partner, someone to understand him, a shoulder to cry, to say few words of love, thats all this 40 year old man asked for.

For the sake of this young woman's future, he tries to suppress his emotions, alas true love breaks and flows out of any obstruction. One cannot supress the true feelings.

Finally he found a woman who lived his dream.

So what if their age is not compatible? So what if he is married? So what if the whole village mocks at them? So what if their love does not end or does not need physical gratification? So whats if its a taboo? So what if he finds his love when has crossed his youth period?

He has found his true soul-mate. Thats all matters.

___

So why did RADHA-SHIVAJI WIN? I was able to find a sutble cuteness and chemistry in that pair, inspite of shivaji being OLDER than the time when he did "vaazhkai" with ambika.

what could be the reason, the pair RADHA and SHIVAJI did not prick our eyes?

1. bharathiraja?
2. Natural flow of script?
3. music

or...

4. could it be because, I could appreciate shivaji's hair-do in muthal mariyathai as a natural hair-do for a mid 40 year old man, as compared to the sickening wig in the movie "vaazhkai" ( I really think the QUALITY OF WIG those days were very bad :| )

May be still, INVOLVEMENT of radha was better than ambika in their respectable movies :?

Kudos to RADHA for having shown her a splendid performance :clap:

All said n done, Shivaji's acting in both the movies crowned well.
___

P.S: When I had seen muthal mariyathai for the first time I was may be between around 15 to 17 years and I COULD NOT SINK in the whole seriousness of this issue .

I actually thought shivaji character was NOT INTERESTED in radha character, and thinks her as his daughter. IT was much later when she kills sathyaraj character, shivaji character takes a liking towards KUYILU (radha's char).

My perspective did change when I saw this movie for the SECOND TIME yesterday.

The seriousness, plot, char of shivaji, his deep hidden love for KUYILU everything sunk in. Guess 15 year olds of those days were so innocent too :oops: :)

ajithfederer
27th November 2007, 09:35 AM
Two of the best in the business :notworthy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3ASBROf2U

m_23_bayarea
27th November 2007, 10:36 AM
Two of the best in the business :notworthy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3ASBROf2U

Enna paatu! :clap: :clap:

The baby in Sivaji's hands is soooo cute, btw! :P

joe
28th November 2007, 03:03 PM
Two of the best in the business :notworthy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3ASBROf2U

Not only two ..MSV ,Kannadasan ,P.Suseela and TMS :clap:

kamath
29th November 2007, 07:16 PM
Can someone post details on the Sivaji-MGR starrer "koondu kili"?

I have erad in mags that there was lot of friction between the two stars during the making of the film.

Seems NT would walk out when MGR come into the set.

When asked the reason, seems he said " Annan munnadi cigarette pudika koodathu, athuthaan veliya poren."

When the film was finally released, it fared average.

Seems even after this though producers were willing to cast them together, the 2 stars refused.

Would like to hear from NT fans abt this film.

tacinema
29th November 2007, 09:41 PM
So why did RADHA-SHIVAJI WIN? I was able to find a sutble cuteness and chemistry in that pair, inspite of shivaji being OLDER than the time when he did "vaazhkai" with ambika.

what could be the reason, the pair RADHA and SHIVAJI did not prick our eyes?

1. bharathiraja?
2. Natural flow of script?
3. music

or...

May be still, INVOLVEMENT of radha was better than ambika in their respectable movies :?

Kudos to RADHA for having shown her a splendid performance :clap:

All said n done, Shivaji's acting in both the movies crowned well.
___



SP:

I will try to answer your questions:

Vaazhkai: Good and decent movie. The chemistry between NT and Ambika was good, but not as good as NT-Radha in MM. IMO, the primary reason is that the movie revolves around NT; it was purely built on NT's image. Though other characters got their fair share, it was NT who shoulders the movie. So, when you come out of the movie hall, you feel sorry about NT; your heart mostly thinks about NT not others.

In addition, I belive it was directed by CVRajendran - one of NT's regular; obviously, he built the movie around NT.

MM: The chemistry between NT and Radha was just awesome - BR etched it beautifully. Like vaazhkai, though MM's story revolves around NT, other characters too were shaped up very strongly (unlike vaazhkai), especially Radha's. Realizing that this was her once-in-a-life time character, Radha walked extra steps to give the best to match NT and she succeeded. BR made sure that love is between two souls - age does not matter - and he presented it beautifully and convincingly. NT and Radha perfectly fitted those characters - which is why MM almost became a Kaaviyam, not just the movie. So, when you come out of the movie hall, you feel sad about both NT and Radha. Though there is a "big" difference in age between NT's and Radha's characters, you would still accept that their love is real and it could happen in real life. The BR's screenplay made a strong impact and NT/Radha gave life to his screenplay. IMO, everyone associated with MM complemented each other - be it NT, Radha, BR, IR and others.

As you said, both in Vaazhkai and MM, NT breezed thru the characters. Thru MM, NT proved that he was a tireless performer - age did not deter him from giving one of the best performance in his life.

All in all - MM was a great product and vaazhkai was not bad, a good product. Nevertheless, both were successful movies.

regards

DHANUSU
29th November 2007, 11:53 PM
Three incidents involving NT as narrated by two directors in the serial published in Tamil weekly "Thuglaq".

1. Narrated by "Mukta" Srinivaasan:

During the shooting of "Andhamaan Kaadhali" a set was erected for filming some close-up shots which could not be taken at the outdoor-Andhamaan. Sivaji arrived at the set and after having a look at it commented badly about the same and left in a huff. This infuriated the director Srinivaasan and he called off that day's shooting and reported the same to his brother and producer Ramasamy. He further vowed to him that he would not direct Sivaji anymore and the remaining portion of the movie may be handled by the assistant director AS Prakasam. The producer went to the residence of Sivaji and explained him that since only closeup shots were being planned to be filmed much attention was not paid to the looks of the set and the set would not engage the attention of the audience (it is a fact that "Mukta" brothers are well known for their budget!). This explanation convinced Sivaji and he agreed to come for the shooting the next day and asked Ramasamy to inform Srinivaasan to be present in the location. The producer with much hesitation informed Sivaji of the decision of the director. The next day at about 6 a.m Srinivaasan was reading the newspaper and a car came to a screaching halt in forn of his residence. Sivaji peeped from the window asked the director what he was doing there while shooting is scheduled for the day. Srinivaasan replied that Prakaasam was waiting at the location. Sivaji ordered him with all the liberty "okay..okay it will take some one hour for me to get ready for the shot and you reach the location by that time" and went away. Taken aback by this the director went to the location and continued the location. Srinivaasan concluded that this showed the respect Sivaji had for his directors.

2. Again narrated by "Mukta".

During the shooting of "Andha Naal" Mukta and Jaavar were serving as asistant directors to the director S. Balachander. They had a lingering doubt about the famous "photographic memory" of Sivaji. There was a strong rumour doing the rounds that the dialogues for the next day shooting are sent to the residence of Sivaji through the driver and Sivaji memorises them at night. The next day he comes to the set and asks the assistant to read the dialogues while applying makeup (as if he is hearing them for the first time) and the dialogues are repeated to him before the shot and he delivers the dialogue and wins appreciation for his "photographic memory". The duo wanted to test this. One day after the shooting was over they sent the dialogue papers for one particular scene, which was not proposed to be filmed the next day, through the driver to Sivaji's residence. Sivaji arrived at the shooting spot the next day and asked the assistant to read out the dialogues while applying the makeup. A different set of dialogues was readout and the assistant directors keenly observed the face of Sivaji to look for any change of expression like surprise or shock, but there was none. He was cool and casual. Ane before the take of the shot he asked for the readout of the dialogues for the second time and the shot was okayed in single take. "The respect and regard we had for Sivaji increased manifold after that incident" says Srinivaasan and concludes by saying that "I am of the strong opinion that God had bestowed upon Sivaji many such unique qualities".

3. Narrated by SP. Muthuraman

During the shooting of "Kavari Maan" Muthuraman went to the residence of Sivaji and handed him an audio casssette containing a carnatic music based song (sung by KJ Yesudass) which was to be filmed the next day. Sivaji exclaimed the need for that! The next day the director was stunned by the powerful performance of Sivaji with all facial expressions in the closeup shots, making him to believe that the song was sung by Sivaji himself. Muthuraman says that Sivaji used to call him aside before the shot and deliver the dialogues in three distinct ways and would ask the director which one he preferred. "Such was the acting prowess of Sivaji" wonders Muthuraman. During another occasion Muthuraman wanted Sivaji to re-enact the legendary VPK dialogues and asked Sivaji if he needed the dialogue papers for reference. The thespian replied "What Muthu, are you kidding?" and went on to deliver the entire dialogues making those who were present speechless.

These incidents showcase the rare qualities possessed by Sivaji.

DHANUSU
29th November 2007, 11:53 PM
Three incidents involving NT as narrated by two directors in the serial published in Tamil weekly "Thuglaq".

1. Narrated by "Mukta" Srinivaasan:

During the shooting of "Andhamaan Kaadhali" a set was erected for filming some close-up shots which could not be taken at the outdoor-Andhamaan. Sivaji arrived at the set and after having a look at it commented badly about the same and left in a huff. This infuriated the director Srinivaasan and he called off that day's shooting and reported the same to his brother and producer Ramasamy. He further vowed to him that he would not direct Sivaji anymore and the remaining portion of the movie may be handled by the assistant director AS Prakasam. The producer went to the residence of Sivaji and explained him that since only closeup shots were being planned to be filmed much attention was not paid to the looks of the set and the set would not engage the attention of the audience (it is a fact that "Mukta" brothers are well known for their budget!). This explanation convinced Sivaji and he agreed to come for the shooting the next day and asked Ramasamy to inform Srinivaasan to be present in the location. The producer with much hesitation informed Sivaji of the decision of the director. The next day at about 6 a.m Srinivaasan was reading the newspaper and a car came to a screaching halt in forn of his residence. Sivaji peeped from the window asked the director what he was doing there while shooting is scheduled for the day. Srinivaasan replied that Prakaasam was waiting at the location. Sivaji ordered him with all the liberty "okay..okay it will take some one hour for me to get ready for the shot and you reach the location by that time" and went away. Taken aback by this the director went to the location and continued the location. Srinivaasan concluded that this showed the respect Sivaji had for his directors.

2. Again narrated by "Mukta".

During the shooting of "Andha Naal" Mukta and Jaavar were serving as asistant directors to the director S. Balachander. They had a lingering doubt about the famous "photographic memory" of Sivaji. There was a strong rumour doing the rounds that the dialogues for the next day shooting are sent to the residence of Sivaji through the driver and Sivaji memorises them at night. The next day he comes to the set and asks the assistant to read the dialogues while applying makeup (as if he is hearing them for the first time) and the dialogues are repeated to him before the shot and he delivers the dialogue and wins appreciation for his "photographic memory". The duo wanted to test this. One day after the shooting was over they sent the dialogue papers for one particular scene, which was not proposed to be filmed the next day, through the driver to Sivaji's residence. Sivaji arrived at the shooting spot the next day and asked the assistant to read out the dialogues while applying the makeup. A different set of dialogues was readout and the assistant directors keenly observed the face of Sivaji to look for any change of expression like surprise or shock, but there was none. He was cool and casual. Ane before the take of the shot he asked for the readout of the dialogues for the second time and the shot was okayed in single take. "The respect and regard we had for Sivaji increased manifold after that incident" says Srinivaasan and concludes by saying that "I am of the strong opinion that God had bestowed upon Sivaji many such unique qualities".

3. Narrated by SP. Muthuraman

During the shooting of "Kavari Maan" Muthuraman went to the residence of Sivaji and handed him an audio casssette containing a carnatic music based song (sung by KJ Yesudass) which was to be filmed the next day. Sivaji exclaimed the need for that! The next day the director was stunned by the powerful performance of Sivaji with all facial expressions in the closeup shots, making him to believe that the song was sung by Sivaji himself. Muthuraman says that Sivaji used to call him aside before the shot and deliver the dialogues in three distinct ways and would ask the director which one he preferred. "Such was the acting prowess of Sivaji" wonders Muthuraman. During another occasion Muthuraman wanted Sivaji to re-enact the legendary VPK dialogues and asked Sivaji if he needed the dialogue papers for reference. The thespian replied "What Muthu, are you kidding?" and went on to deliver the entire dialogues making those who were present speechless.

These incidents showcase the rare qualities possessed by Sivaji.

joe
30th November 2007, 08:30 AM
Danusu,
All these details from a Thodar in Tuglak magazine..right? :D

tacinema
2nd December 2007, 08:42 AM
Let us collect NT songs, in which he looks abolutely ravishing and dashing. Some of them are:

1. color movies

pudhiya paravai - unnai ondru ketpen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-U-YhLxttM
pudhiya paravai - chittu kuruvi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHa-znNS4A
rajapart rangadurai - madana maaligai - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zv8haCsyqM
sivandha mann - oru raja rani - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-U-YhLxttM
sorgam - ponmagal vandhal - http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/tfmlover1/MSV%20TMS/?action=view&current=PonmagalVanthaal.flv
ennaipol oruvan - velale vizhigal - http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/tfmlover1/MSV%20TMS/?action=view&current=vElaalEvizigal.flv
OVuravu - poomalaiyil oor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgdPBQZuok
OVuravu - thedinen vanthathu - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42m6tht2Ps

2. b/w movies

uyirntha manithan - nalai intha - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wikWKGd7YH4

There are many more - you can add them. These are collected from different sources on the web.

tvsankar
2nd December 2007, 06:52 PM
some more songs.

1.Vilakae nee konda oli naanae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTlwOhZ7c44

2.kannoru pakkam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIf8qzRKTg

3.oru tharam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SquKCupNIa0

4.vellik kinnam dhan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfGGvy-zW4M

5.kallellam maanikka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zev1qALsfxc

6.Naan pesa ninaipadhellam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoESojRzi0I

7. Andha naal mudhal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBE72YjbJw&feature=related

padalgalilum character ai gavanamaga MAINTAIN pannum oru Nadigan........ Nice....

Ithanai padalgalilulm - Sivajiyai vida andha andha padangalin avar yetru konda characters dhan ninaivil varum.
That's Sivaji Touch.....

tacinema
2nd December 2007, 11:40 PM
Great job Usha - thanks for beautiful songs. Particualrly, NT looks so cute and handsome in movies, in which Vanisri was the heroine - especially in UManithan song: nalai intha velai - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wikWKGd7YH4

This goes for all NT-Vsri movies such as VMalligai, UManidhan, SSelvan, nirai kudam, and so on. How do they look like in the movie Nallathoru Kudumbam? Anyone has got NK clippings?

Anyone has got Raman ethanai Ramanadi song - Chitrai Madham Pournami neram? A simple, beautiful song in b/w and NT just looks awesome.

NOV
3rd December 2007, 08:11 PM
Just fnished watching ETHIROLI.....!

What a film! A rare combo of NT and KB! NT surpasses himself as a victim of circumstances who succumbs to a moment of weakness and spends the rest of the time paying for it. Plenty of twists and turns but everything is underplayed. Every actor lived up to his role: NT, SSR, Sivakumar, Balaiah, VS Ragavan, Major Sundararajan, Nagesh, ..... KR Vijaya, Lakshmi, Vijayalalitha, Jothilakshmi.....

Definitely not for the faint hearted! Wonder why the combo never continued. Brilliant product of two masters!

unga nalla manadhukkoru kurayum illai thaanE thandhanaanaa...

Shakthiprabha.
3rd December 2007, 09:07 PM
SP:

I will try to answer your questions:

Vaazhkai: Good and decent movie. The chemistry between NT and Ambika was good, but not as good as NT-Radha in MM. IMO, the primary reason is that the movie revolves around NT; it was purely built on NT's image. Though other characters got their fair share, it was NT who shoulders the movie. So, when you come out of the movie hall, you feel sorry about NT; your heart mostly thinks about NT not others.

In addition, I belive it was directed by CVRajendran - one of NT's regular; obviously, he built the movie around NT.

MM: The chemistry between NT and Radha was just awesome - BR etched it beautifully. Like vaazhkai, though MM's story revolves around NT, other characters too were shaped up very strongly (unlike vaazhkai), especially Radha's. Realizing that this was her once-in-a-life time character, Radha walked extra steps to give the best to match NT and she succeeded. BR made sure that love is between two souls - age does not matter - and he presented it beautifully and convincingly. NT and Radha perfectly fitted those characters - which is why MM almost became a Kaaviyam, not just the movie. So, when you come out of the movie hall, you feel sad about both NT and Radha. Though there is a "big" difference in age between NT's and Radha's characters, you would still accept that their love is real and it could happen in real life. The BR's screenplay made a strong impact and NT/Radha gave life to his screenplay. IMO, everyone associated with MM complemented each other - be it NT, Radha, BR, IR and others.

As you said, both in Vaazhkai and MM, NT breezed thru the characters. Thru MM, NT proved that he was a tireless performer - age did not deter him from giving one of the best performance in his life.

All in all - MM was a great product and vaazhkai was not bad, a good product. Nevertheless, both were successful movies.

regards

Very well said :) :thumbsup:

However I tend to disagree with ambika and chemistry part.

I FELT there was abs no chemistry or VERY LESS chemistry bet the pair on screen.

tvsankar
3rd December 2007, 11:49 PM
What about Sivaji and padmini pair..

Mannika vendugiren

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTchDU-ezB4&feature=PlayList&p=7C65149CBCDEBF3F&index=119

tacinema
4th December 2007, 08:41 AM
What about Sivaji and padmini pair..

Mannika vendugiren

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTchDU-ezB4&feature=PlayList&p=7C65149CBCDEBF3F&index=119

Thanks for the beautiful song - NT-Padmini is the most spark created pair ever in tamil cinema. Like most NT fans, I just love this pair, because they are so compatible on-screen. This probably is the most versatile pair in tamil cinema and they performed in almost all roles: comedy, romance, melodrama, mythological, period movies, artists (t.mohanambal) and so on. Will tamil cinema ever see this kind of compatibility? IMO, No.

On the other hand, NT-Vanisri is totally in another genre. IMO, NT-Vanisri pair comes exclusively under one category: romance. Vasantha Maaligai proved this theory. Being romantic with Vanisri should be one of the reasons why NT looks so refreshing in movies, in which she is the heroine.

Good flow. Let us bring on more such songs.

Regards

thamiz
4th December 2007, 08:45 AM
On the other hand, NT-Vanisri is totally in another genre. IMO, NT-Vanisri pair comes exclusively under one category: romance. Vasantha Maaligai proved this theory. Being romantic with Vanisri should be one of the reasons why NT looks so refreshing in movies, in which she is the heroine.

Good flow. Let us bring on more such songs.

Regards




True, I would add the uyarntha manidhan as well! :)


4.vellik kinnam dhan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfGGvy-zW4M

RC
4th December 2007, 08:54 AM
sindhu nadhikarai Oram from nallathoru kudumbam
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9PxBv0D6E_w

Shakthiprabha.
4th December 2007, 12:15 PM
Oh my vote is always for NT-VANISHREE.

They were the BEST, and looked SO BEAUTIFUL together.

There were 2 other movies of NT with vanishree, I remember. (apart from vasantha maaligai and uyarntha manithan)

One was "nirai kudam"

AND OTHER

had a story of a couple who would split because of ego, yet possess deep love within, only to be reunited by their children.

Can someone recollect any good songs from nirai kudam?

kamath
4th December 2007, 12:21 PM
The film is "Nallathoru kudumbam".

One sore point of the film was the extremely vulgar comedy of thenga & manorama.

Shakthiprabha.
4th December 2007, 12:24 PM
Oh ok, then there is a beautiful song (as pointed out by rc) "sindhu nadhik karai oram".

I dont recollect manorama, thengai comedy... I kinda forgot both these movies (nirai kudam and nallathoru kudumbam) . I wish they telecast this movie on tv someday.

kamath
4th December 2007, 12:37 PM
Nalaathoru kundumbam was featured in KTV some months back.

When it was shown on DD some years back, all the comedy scenes featuring manorama & thengai were cut.

Niraikudam has been hardly shown on TV.

Shakthiprabha.
4th December 2007, 01:03 PM
oh ok thanks, would watch for the same in ktv (they do retelecast lot of times)

saradhaa_sn
4th December 2007, 04:35 PM
Oh my vote is always for NT-VANISHREE.
One was "nirai kudam"

Can someone recollect any good songs from nirai kudam?

Shakthi...

Usha akka is helping you....




1.Vilakae nee konda oli naanae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTlwOhZ7c44

2.kannoru pakkam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIf8qzRKTg

tvsankar
4th December 2007, 05:32 PM
Dear Saradha,
Thanks for the help.

SP,
Link ai patrthukongo.

Beautiful article for "Nirai kUdam" from Dhool.com

http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13

Shakthiprabha.
4th December 2007, 09:45 PM
thx usha, saradha :redjump: :ty:

Murali Srinivas
4th December 2007, 10:34 PM
Dear SP,

It is heartening to see you actively participating in NT thread.

Dear tac,

Lucid analysis on MM and Vaazhkai.

SP,

The one major difference between the two films (as for as lead pair is concerned) is, while Vaazhkai was a remake from Hindi "Avatar", MM was a natural story set in the backdrop of rural Tamilnadu. Definitely MM had more "Vaazhkai" (Life) in it.

But it must be said to the credit of Ambika that she showed the courage to act as a mother of grown up children at a time when she was pairing with the likes of Rajini and Kamal.

Regards

tacinema
5th December 2007, 08:20 AM
Oh my vote is always for NT-VANISHREE.

They were the BEST, and looked SO BEAUTIFUL together.

There were 2 other movies of NT with vanishree, I remember. (apart from vasantha maaligai and uyarntha manithan)

One was "nirai kudam"

AND OTHER

had a story of a couple who would split because of ego, yet possess deep love within, only to be reunited by their children.

Can someone recollect any good songs from nirai kudam?

SP,

Nirai Kudam is a soft and beautiful movie - very subtle acting from NT. A while back, our master blaster Murali has written a write up on this film (should be in this thread). Very interesting writing and worth to read.

How many of you have seen another NT-Vanisri movie Vani Rani? It is a total Vanisri movie; our NT almost appears in a guest role - sharing screen with Muthuraman. It is a fun movie to watch and if you are a Vanisri fan, you would probably like this movie. To put it simply, it is Vanisri's Enga Veettu Pillai!!!!!! Though NT's character is not a main one, he would bring in a visual treat when he appears on the screen - simply an NT touch. Some one was commenting about NT's BO power - here is a great example of his mere presence made the movie successful.

regards

tvsankar
5th December 2007, 08:57 AM
tacinema
Kulama Gunama patri solla mateengareengalae??

Indha padathilum Sivajium VAnishree yum pair kidaiyadhu.

During my 5th std indha padathai parthadhaga ninaivu.Piragu parthadhu ilai.VCD vangi vatihu irukiren.Parka time illai.

Sivaji is elder brother.Jaisankar ?? is younger brohter.jai in pair aga Vanishree.

En manadhil padhindha oru scene.

KUduma thagararil, sothai pirika vendiya soozhnilaiyil,

Sothai irandaga pirithu vitten enru sivaji solvar.Anal oru share aga than ellam irukum.

Sivaji yin pair padmini(?)

Sivaji oru chair il utkarndhu irupar.Padmini yim expression il - Sivaji - thanniyae oru sothaga ninaika vaithu irupar enru nammal unara mudiyum.

What about Vanisree in this movie? Sivaji ai edhirthu pesum oru character enru en manadhu solgiradhu..........

thamiz
5th December 2007, 09:06 AM
One another notable shivaji-vanishri movie is shivagamiyin selvan

Shakthiprabha.
5th December 2007, 09:16 AM
Sivagamiyin selvan was a flop movie aint not?
It was a remake of aaradhana (hindi) , but did not do as well here!?

Shakthiprabha.
5th December 2007, 09:20 AM
murali,

I feel ambika did NOT give her best in this movie . There are movies where ambika had done really well, here she could not match up to the story and NT ofcourse.

tac,

vaani raani is feast! :D I always loved watching naughty, tomboyish vanishree, which suits her perfectly!

Billgates
5th December 2007, 09:30 AM
[tscii:077e33541e]http://www.techsatish.com/2007/12/thiruvarutchelvar-tamil-movie-live.html

Link is for Sivaji Ganesan’s historical role in Thiruvarutchelvar, which deals about the 63 Nayanmars . Wonderful portrayal by Sivaji Sir as Thirunavukarasar. The old age get up will be quite similar to the great Sage of Kanchi Shri Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi Swamigal. To pprtray as a very old man is not an easy task . Terrific presentation by Sivaji. Movie has some terrific songs including the famous Mannavan vandhanadi, you can watch the great walk of Sivaji during the Pallavi. Directed by AP Nagarajan, a movie worth watching
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thamiz
5th December 2007, 06:15 PM
Sivagamiyin selvan was a flop movie aint not?
It was a remake of aaradhana (hindi) , but did not do as well here!?

ஷக்தி

அது பெரிய ஃப்ளாப் தான். ஆனால் ஷிவாஜி-வாணீஷ்ரி டுயட்ஸ்லாம் நல்லாதான் இருக்கும்.

இனியவளே எனக்கு பிடித்த பாடல்! :D

Murali Srinivas
5th December 2007, 06:26 PM
Dear Joe,

In the current issue of Ananda Vikatan there is a photograph of NT (a natural photo sans make up) and posters of Punar Jenmam, Amara Deepam, in the serialised article section of the writer Vannadasan. As you have access to internet edition, can you post the photos and poster here?

Dear tac,

When you talk about NT- Vanishree pair, you missed out one beautiful movie - Rojavin Raja. Only if it had come as planned (it was started late 72 but hit the screens only on 25th Dec 1976), it would have been a Super hit. Without mentioning you know it had wonderful songs, superb underplay by NT, Vanishree's so natural output in the first half as a happy go lucky girl, the Asoka one act play by NT, Cho's comedy laced with political undertones were all a treat to watch.

Then there is Ilaiya Thalaimurai acted by the same pair and again suffered because of late release. Scheduled to release on Deepavali day of 1976(along with Chitra Pournami), this finally hit the screen on May 28th of 1977, when Tamilnadu was in the midst of the Assembly elections. Again a nice story with good songs and acting but did not do well to the extent it deserved.

Then there was Punniya Bhoomi again produced by NVR Pictures (the producer of Rojavin Raja) and this was a remake of Mother India, that was a watershed in the careers of Sunil Dutt and Nargis. The original came in 1955 and the remake on May 12th,1978. A gap of 23 years would rob any story of it's freshness and moreover this was a Zamindari type of story which reflected the way of Life that prevailed in North India during the period just after Independence and naturally that was totally alien to the Tamilnadu backdrop. NT (in dual roles) and Vanishree gave out their best but the movie failed commercially.

Then the last movie of NT- Vanishree was of course Nallathoru Kudumbam that came in 1979 May 3rd and did reasonably well. In our Madurai Central it would have run for 100 days but for our own movie Imayam which got released on 21st July 1979. So NK had to be satisfied with a 79 day run.

Regards

Tamilan
5th December 2007, 06:27 PM
50 பைசாவுக்கு நடிக்க சொன்னா 100 பைசாவுக்கு நடிப்பது இவருக்கு பிடித்த விசயம்

mr_karthik
5th December 2007, 07:24 PM
Dear tac,

When you talk about NT- Vanishree pair, you missed out one beautiful movie - Rojavin Raja.


Very nice songs of MSV, especially 'Alangaaram kalaiyaatha silaiyondru kandEn', 'Janaganin magaLai', and 'OdikkondE iruppEn'. Nadigar Thilalagam rendered very stylish act, with sun-glass for the entire movie


Then there is Ilaiya Thalaimurai acted by the same pair
With a very nice message to young college students (NT as Hostel Warden and Vijayan as Principal). Somany young actors Vijayakumar, Sreekanth, Jayachandran, Prem Anand, Junior Balaiya, Y.G.Mahendran were acted as students. Nagesh rendered wonderful comedy as 'Mess Incharge. Sarma.


Then there was Punniya Bhoomi. This was a Zamindari type of story which reflected the way of Life that prevailed in North India during the period just after Independence and naturally that was totally alien to the Tamilnadu backdrop.

Surprise how they decided to produce this remake movie, when the same type story "Iru Dhuruvam" has already failed. That also in north Indian sahdow.

NOV
5th December 2007, 08:21 PM
iru dhuruvam :shock:

murali, how did we miss this from my must-see lst? :banghead:

tacinema
5th December 2007, 08:22 PM
murali,

I feel ambika did NOT give her best in this movie . There are movies where ambika had done really well, here she could not match up to the story and NT ofcourse.

tac,

vaani raani is feast! :D I always loved watching naughty, tomboyish vanishree, which suits her perfectly!

SP:

Your avatar (nt & VSri) is great - handsome NT and equally appealing Vanisri.

I always liked NT in simple costumes:

1. in regular outfit - eg. Sivandha Mann, Enga Mama, Thanga Surangam, Ennaipol Oruvan, and many more. It would be a big list for b/w category
2. in dhoti - simple and very traditional - eg. Pattikatta Pattanama (here his urban outfit is not good), savale samaali, and many more. Even his thirisoolam (father's role) in dhoti was not bad
3. in suit - very elegant and executive - eg. Thangapathakkam (duing nallathoru kudumbam song), enga mama (during hotel song), and many more

Was S.Selvan a flop movie? I believe it was an average movie. Though the SS songs were good, it was like a bollywood movie remade in Tamil - but the "tamil soul" was completely missing. It has a big "shadow hangover" of original hindi movie. These should have been the reasons why it didn't do well.

regards

tacinema
5th December 2007, 08:57 PM
tacinema
Kulama Gunama patri solla mateengareengalae??



I haven't seen this movie. I know I am yet to see a lot of NT movies.

There are very few movies that NT and Jai acted together when they were in peaks. But, in later part, they came together in many movies - like vaazhkai, muthukkal moondru, padikkathavan, and so on.

tacinema
5th December 2007, 09:16 PM
Dear tac,

Lucid analysis on MM and Vaazhkai.


Murali,

Thanks.

Wasn't the time MM released, at Madurai Chintamani, NT's old movie Thanga Surangam was released? During this re-release, TS was running into packed house and it affected MM for the first few days. Then later on, MM picked up in a big way.

That was the time NT's old movie re-releases were even affecting his own new releases.

joe
5th December 2007, 10:17 PM
50 பைசாவுக்கு நடிக்க சொன்னா 100 பைசாவுக்கு நடிப்பது இவருக்கு பிடித்த விசயம்

Appo ungaLukku 200% profit thaane Aiyyaa! :)

joe
5th December 2007, 10:37 PM
Dear Joe,

In the current issue of Ananda Vikatan there is a photograph of NT (a natural photo sans make up) and posters of Punar Jenmam, Amara Deepam, in the serialised article section of the writer Vannadasan. As you have access to internet edition, can you post the photos and poster here?

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http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/ntpunar.jpg

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others...

Punar Jenmam poster
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/sridhar.jpg

Uththama puthiran Poster
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/uththama.jpg

Murali Srinivas
5th December 2007, 11:15 PM
Dear Joe,

Thank you so much.

NOV,

It was not there in your list. So I thought that you have it already.

tac,

Yes, you are right and in fact I have written about Thanga Churangam overtaking MM in the initial week. Even the fans were concentrating on TC rather than MM.

Should also thank you for uploading good songs. Thanks also goes to Usha for her contribution. Mannikka Vendukiren song was there in Then Kinnam yesterday and the more you watch it more you find out how NT had done it. As I always used to say that an actor's calibre can be measured by the way he acts in a song. Again he proves it here.

In the first charanam NT starts with "Ennamendra ---" and the visual shows NT- Padmini on the edge of a bridge which has a pillar and NT stands on the pillar platform. The shot changes with Padmini begining "Anbu endra Kaaviyathin --". Here NT's face is close to Padmini's and she after rendering her lines goes out of the frame and after a very short pause TMS voice starts "Mudhumai Vandha Pothum" and you could see NT's lip movement perfectly matching the sound and mind it, it is all done in a single shot. See he has to react to Padmini's rendering and when she leaves the frame his face follows her for a brief moment and his lip movement starts synchronising when the audio starts and all these things happen in a single close up shot. Ordinary mortals cannot even think about this. An actor par excellence and it is a pleasure watching such visual treats again and again.

Regards

joe
5th December 2007, 11:26 PM
In the first charanam NT starts with "Ennamendra ---" and the visual shows NT- Padmini on the edge of a bridge which has a pillar and NT stands on the pillar platform. The shot changes with Padmini begining "Anbu endra Kaaviyathin --". Here NT's face is close to Padmini's and she after rendering her lines goes out of the frame and after a very short pause TMS voice starts "Mudhumai Vandha Pothum" and you could see NT's lip movement perfectly matching the sound and mind it, it is all done in a single shot. See he has to react to Padmini's rendering and when she leaves the frame his face follows her for a brief moment and his lip movement starts synchronising when the audio starts and all these things happen in a single close up shot. Ordinary mortals cannot even think about this. An actor par excellence and it is a pleasure watching such visual treats again and again.

Regards

இதைத்தான் 50 பைசா குடுத்தா 100 பைசாக்கு நடிப்பாருன்ணு இங்கே ஒரு அன்பர் சொன்னார் போலிருக்கு :) 50 பைசா குடுத்தா அரை பைசாவுக்கே நடிக்கத்தெரியாத பல நடிகர்களை பார்த்து நொந்து போயிருப்பார் போல 8-)

Shakthiprabha.
6th December 2007, 08:44 AM
50 பைசாவுக்கு நடிக்க சொன்னா 100 பைசாவுக்கு நடிப்பது இவருக்கு பிடித்த விசயம்

Appo ungaLukku 200% profit thaane Aiyyaa! :)



In the first charanam NT starts with "Ennamendra ---" and the visual shows NT- Padmini on the edge of a bridge which has a pillar and NT stands on the pillar platform. The shot changes with Padmini begining "Anbu endra Kaaviyathin --". Here NT's face is close to Padmini's and she after rendering her lines goes out of the frame and after a very short pause TMS voice starts "Mudhumai Vandha Pothum" and you could see NT's lip movement perfectly matching the sound and mind it, it is all done in a single shot. See he has to react to Padmini's rendering and when she leaves the frame his face follows her for a brief moment and his lip movement starts synchronising when the audio starts and all these things happen in a single close up shot. Ordinary mortals cannot even think about this. An actor par excellence and it is a pleasure watching such visual treats again and again.

Regards

இதைத்தான் 50 பைசா குடுத்தா 100 பைசாக்கு நடிப்பாருன்ணு இங்கே ஒரு அன்பர் சொன்னார் போலிருக்கு :) 50 பைசா குடுத்தா அரை பைசாவுக்கே நடிக்கத்தெரியாத பல நடிகர்களை பார்த்து நொந்து போயிருப்பார் போல 8-)

:clap: :clap: :clap:

very well said.

mr_karthik
6th December 2007, 02:39 PM
Mannikka Vendukiren song was there in Then Kinnam yesterday. In the first charanam NT starts with "Ennamendra ---" and the visual shows NT- Padmini on the edge of a bridge which has a pillar and NT stands on the pillar platform. The shot changes with Padmini begining "Anbu endra Kaaviyathin --". Here NT's face is close to Padmini's and she after rendering her lines goes out of the frame and after a very short pause TMS voice starts "Mudhumai Vandha Pothum" and you could see NT's lip movement perfectly matching the sound

மன்னிக்க வேண்டுகிறேன் (இரு மலர்கள்)

'முக்கனிக்கும் சர்க்கரைக்கும் சுவையை செவ்வாய்தான் தருமோ'
..........
'அன்பு என்ற நாடகத்தின் நல்ல ஆரம்பமே வருக
முன்னுரைத்த காதலையே உந்தன் முடிவுரையாய் தருக'
...........

ஆயிரம்தான் சொல்லுங்கள், கண்ணதாசனுக்கு அடுத்து 'தாடிக்காரர்' வாலிதான் பெஸ்ட். மற்றவர்கள் எல்லாம் அப்புறம்தான்.

Murali Srinivas
6th December 2007, 07:57 PM
Dear tac,

Last week had been to Madurai on my way to another place. It was Friday the 30th and Andhaman Kaadhali had been released in Central. Crossed the theatre in the morning around 10.45 and was surprised to see Posters garlanded. Surprised because for such type of old films the gala and festivity would start either on Saturday night or most probably Sunday evening. But on the release day morning itself, pudhu padam pole Periya Poster-il rendu pakkam NT pose-irkum rendu periya maalai podapattirundhadhu.

That made me long for the Sunday Alapparai and from my destination I reached Madurai on Sunday, Dec 2nd, around 5.30 in the evening. Excused myself from my group and reached Town Hall Road around 6.15 PM. Now the whole poster had been covered with garlands and still oru group innoru maalai-yai insert seithu kondirundharkal. Sutrilum niraiyaa Bannergal (from different Mandrangal) and the entrance walls were pasted with copies of yesteryears newspaper cuttings of NT films. 100 days ad of Padikkatha Medhai, 100 days ad of Uyarndha Manidhan (Chennai - Wellington-il), 100 days ad of Avandhan Manidhan (Chennai, Madurai, Tiruchy etc) and Indru mudhal ads of Thiruvilayadal, Andhaman Kaadhali itself, then the poster of Madurai Fans which says "Andhaman Kadhali, Cini Priya Thirai Arangil thirai idappatta naalana 26.01.1978 mudhal, netru (24.02.1978) varai thodarndhu 108 Arangu niranidha kaatchigal". For which Chennai fans have replied that the film has all its 350 shows (till that time) as House Full and have mentioned the theatres (Leo,--) and many more such displays. On seeing that I was reminded of you and Joe.

On seeing me engrossed, the people standing there came to me and enquired about. The Madurai city Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Peravai Thalaivar gave me his card and looking at it ,I found that their office is nearer to your home.(77,Munichalai Road) and his name is Senbaga Arasu. Another enthusiastic fan came to me and said that the next release is going to be Sivandha Man(n) and they are organising to celebrate it in a big manner. He invited me for it.I told him that right now I am not in Madurai.

Meantime, the movie had started it seems and the deafening applause and shouts of Singa Thamizhan Dr.Sivaji - Vaazhga could be heard even at the entrance. Was so tempted to walk in but since I had to catch a train by 8 PM, left the place physically with my mind staying back.

Now thinking, if Andhaman Kadhali (comparitively lesser scenes to celebrate for Fans) could draw such a response, imagine how it is going to be for Sivandha Man(n), a hot favourite of the Fans.

Another thought also crossed my mind. He was not active in films during his last decade (except for few sparkles here and there), was not involved in Politics, was not occupying any party or govt post and it is more than 6 years since he had physically left. But still the hold he has among his fans and general public is awesome and these people going all out in their efforts in supporting theatrical releases and sustaining them tells only one thing. NT is the Best and would remain to be so for ever.

Regards

joe
6th December 2007, 10:27 PM
புருஷோத்தமரே!
புரட்டுக்காரியின் உருட்டும் விழியிலே உலகத்தை காண்பவரே!
மானமொன்றே நல்வாழ்வெனக் கொண்டு வந்த மாவேந்தர் பரம்பரையில் மாசாக வந்தவரே!
மயிலுக்கும் மந்திக்கும் வித்தியாசம் தெரியாத மதிவாணரே!
குளிர் நிலவை கொள்ளிக்கட்டை என்று கூறிய குருடரே!

துணிவிருந்தால் தோளிலே வலுவிருந்தால்
எடுத்துக்கொள்ளும் உமது வாளை ..தடுத்துக் கொள்ளும் உமது சாவை
தைரியமில்லா விட்டால் ..
தளுக்குக் காரியின் குலுக்குச் சிரிப்பிலே நீர் கோழையாய் விட்டிருந்தால்
ஓடிவிடும் இதை விட்டு..புறமுதுகு காட்டி ஓடும் .
புறநானூற்றின் பெருமையை மூட வந்த புழுதிக்காற்றே! புறமுதுகு காட்டி ஓடும் .
கலிங்கத்துப்பரணியை மறைக்க வந்த காரிருளே!
கால் பிடரி மீது பட ஓடும்

-கலைஞர் கருணாநிதி :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twyw3RCCFAE

நடிகர் திலகமே! தேன் தமிழை உன் வாய் மொழியில் கேட்க தெவிட்டாத இன்பம்

kannannn
6th December 2007, 10:47 PM
புருஷோத்தமரே!
புரட்டுக்காரியின் உருட்டும் விழியிலே உலகத்தை காண்பவரே!
மானமொன்றே நல்வாழ்வெனக் கொண்டு வந்த மாவேந்தர் பரம்பரையில் மாசாக வந்தவரே!
மயிலுக்கும் மந்திக்கும் வித்தியாசம் தெரியாத மதிவாணரே!
குளிர் நிலவை கொள்ளிக்கட்டை என்று கூறிய குருடரே!

துணிவிருந்தால் தோளிலே வலுவிருந்தால்
எடுத்துக்கொள்ளும் உமது வாளை ..தடுத்துக் கொள்ளும் உமது சாவை
தைரியமில்லா விட்டால் ..
தளுக்குக் காரியின் குலுக்குச் சிரிப்பிலே நீர் கோழையாய் விட்டிருந்தால்
ஓடிவிடும் இதை விட்டு..புறமுதுகு காட்டி ஓடும் .
புறநானூற்றின் பெருமையை மூட வந்த புழுதிக்காற்றே! புறமுதுகு காட்டி ஓடும் .
கலிங்கத்துப்பரணியை மறைக்க வந்த காரிருளே!
கால் பிடரி மீது பட ஓடும்

-கலைஞர் கருணாநிதி :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twyw3RCCFAE

நடிகர் திலகமே! தேன் தமிழை உன் வாய் மொழியில் கேட்க தெவிட்டாத இன்பம்

:notworthy: :notworthy: One of my favourite 'Shivaji' movies. Karunanidhi's dialogues serve to take the movie to great dramatic heights. One of the first scenes of the movie has T. R. Rajakumari's husband taking out his anger on her statue with vengeful words: "... nayavanjaga naagam, sirukkum silandhi.." Cut to the next scene where T. R. Rajakumari is walking to a cobweb framed window, laughing diabolically.. Matchless for the period.. :notworthy: :notworthy:

kamath
7th December 2007, 11:57 AM
When NT passed away, even the policemen manning the mourners could not control their tears.

That speaks for itself.

joe
7th December 2007, 12:03 PM
When NT passed away, even the policemen manning the mourners could not control their tears.


Yeah! :D They could have thought about Thangapathakkam.

mr_karthik
7th December 2007, 01:26 PM
Dear tac,

Last week had been to Madurai on my way to another place. It was Friday the 30th and Andhaman Kaadhali had been released in Central. Crossed the theatre in the morning around 10.45 and was surprised to see Posters garlanded. Surprised because for such type of old films the gala and festivity would start either on Saturday night or most probably Sunday evening. But on the release day morning itself, pudhu padam pole Periya Poster-il rendu pakkam NT pose-irkum rendu periya maalai podapattirundhadhu.

That made me long for the Sunday Alapparai and from my destination I reached Madurai on Sunday, Dec 2nd, around 5.30 in the evening. Excused myself from my group and reached Town Hall Road around 6.15 PM. Now the whole poster had been covered with garlands and still oru group innoru maalai-yai insert seithu kondirundharkal.

On seeing me engrossed, the people standing there came to me and enquired about. The Madurai city Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Peravai Thalaivar gave me his card and looking at it ,I found that their office is nearer to your home.(77,Munichalai Road) and his name is Senbaga Arasu. Another enthusiastic fan came to me and said that the next release is going to be Sivandha Man(n) and they are organising to celebrate it in a big manner. He invited me for it.I told him that right now I am not in Madurai.

Meantime, the movie had started it seems and the deafening applause and shouts of Singa Thamizhan Dr.Sivaji - Vaazhga could be heard even at the entrance. Was so tempted to walk in but since I had to catch a train by 8 PM, left the place physically with my mind staying back.

Now thinking, if Andhaman Kadhali (comparitively lesser scenes to celebrate for Fans) could draw such a response, imagine how it is going to be for Sivandha Man(n), a hot favourite of the Fans.

Another thought also crossed my mind. He was not active in films during his last decade (except for few sparkles here and there), was not involved in Politics, was not occupying any party or govt post and it is more than 6 years since he had physically left. But still the hold he has among his fans and general public is awesome and these people going all out in their efforts in supporting theatrical releases and sustaining them tells only one thing. NT is the Best and would remain to be so for ever.

Regards

Dear Murali sir,

On seeing this your post, I melted like anything. You take me to the past. The same thing happened for me when I was in Chennai, two years back, at the re-release of 'NEEDHI'. The function has defeated the release of new movies at that time. The theatre was fully decorated with flags and banners. Wow.... what a crowd I saw there. Simply tremendous.

I am eagerly waiting to know about the re-release of 'Sivandha Mann' at Madurai. If anybody post it from Madurai, it will be good. If it is you, then it will be tooooooooooo good.

I am imaginig how will be the result at Madurai, if 'Rajapart Rangadurai' is re-released.

mr_karthik
7th December 2007, 01:48 PM
The entrance walls were pasted with copies of yesteryears newspaper cuttings of NT films. 100 days ad of Padikkatha Medhai, 100 days ad of Uyarndha Manidhan (Chennai - Wellington-il), 100 days ad of Avandhan Manidhan (Chennai, Madurai, Tiruchy etc) and Indru mudhal ads of Thiruvilayadal, Andhaman Kaadhali itself, then the poster of Madurai Fans which says "Andhaman Kadhali, Cini Priya Thirai Arangil thirai idappatta naalana 26.01.1978 mudhal, netru (24.02.1978) varai thodarndhu 108 Arangu niranidha kaatchigal". For which Chennai fans have replied that the film has all its 350 shows (till that time) as House Full and have mentioned the theatres (Leo,--) and many more such displays. On seeing that I was reminded of you and Joe.

Dear Mr Raghavender (alias Ragasudha)...

I have visited your website 'nadigarthilagam.com' for several number of times (correctly speaking, not less than three times in a week) and enjoying each and every millimetre of that website.

On going through this, Mr. Murali Srinivas sir's post, I had a strike that, you can add a gallery of 'Newspaper cuttings' about the 100th Day / Silver Jubilee advertisements of the movies of Nadigar Thilagam, which were come in Dhinathanthi, Dinakaran etc. (I have seen them in Rajini/Kamal websites, they have a gallery for newspaper cuttings). You are being an ardant fan of NT for long years, I hope you will have them and I also hope that, Shivaji Mandram Head Office at Chennai may have them.

If you open such gallery, it will be more glorious to the website of NT.

Murali Srinivas
7th December 2007, 06:23 PM
Dear Karthik,

Thanks for your comments.

For the past 4 years, I am at Chennai and not at Madurai. Last week, I passed through Madurai and that's how I saw all the fun fare and posted it here.

Sivandha Man(n) is scheduled to release as per that fan but when it will happen, I am not sure. Even today (being Friday), I called up my friend at Madurai but it has not been released it seems. I will not be able to cover it as I am here in Chennai but let me see if something could be arranged.

I would love to see Sivandha Man(n) at Madurai and write about it. But what to do? As you said not only Rajapart Rangadurai, many more films are there which would invoke a tremendous response.

Regards

PS: Karthik, I have sent a PM to you. Please check.

selvakumar
7th December 2007, 06:28 PM
Just a simple question.
I donno whether this had been discussed here before. :)
In Kanthan Karunai, Sivaji had acted as "Vajra baagu" (a small character) while Gemini acted as Lord Siva and Sivakumar as Lord Murugan.
My question is: How did Suvaji accept to play this cameo role ? Producer avarukku friend ah ? On what basis, he did the movie ?
How did the NT fans react to that ?

Murali Srinivas
7th December 2007, 06:54 PM
Dear Selva,

What you have asked is a valid question. The producer was AL.Srinivasan, brother of Kannadasan and he produced this movie under AL.S Productions and as per initial plans it had GG and others but there was no NT in the scheme of things. Even the name of movie was Kandha Leela, it seems and it was struck half way through. After seeing the roaring success of Thiruvilayadal (1965) and Saraswathy Sabatham (1966), the distributors insisted on NT being brought in. For the sake of APN and AL.S (who had produced Shanthi with NT), NT agreed to act. But he told APN that let Maapillai (GG) continue to act as Lord Shiva and asked APN to create a fresh character for him. That's how Veerabagu character was brought in and the name was also changed to Kandhan Karunai. Released on 12.01.1967 (the unforgettable day in the history of Tamilnadu Politics), the film want on to run for 100 days.

As for as fans reaction were concerned , I have not had a first hand experience during it's release as I was a just elementary school student. But Selva, if you check, NT fans have always looked at the strength of the role and not at the length of it. There are lot of examples for this like Kandhan Karunai, Lakshmi Kalyanam, Kaaval Deivam, Thaye Unakaga (guest role).

In this film, fans had a lot to cheer like intro scene, Vetrivel song, NT's confrontation with Asokan (Sooran), NT playing banter with Vaali, Deivanai & Lord Muruga. So they enjoyed it but of course it also led to the comparison of NT and GG's performance as Lord Shiva among the public and you know what would have come out.

Regards

selvakumar
7th December 2007, 06:57 PM
Murali sir,
Thanks a lot (As usual :) ) :notworthy:


As for as fans reaction were concerned , I have not had a first hand experience during it's release as I was a just elementary school student. But Selva, if you check, NT fans have always looked at the strength of the role and not at the length of it. There are lot of examples for this like Kandhan Karunai, Lakshmi Kalyanam, Kaaval Deivam, Thaye Unakaga (guest role).
:D

tacinema
8th December 2007, 12:42 AM
Dear tac,

Last week had been to Madurai on my way to another place. It was Friday the 30th and Andhaman Kaadhali had been released in Central. Crossed the theatre in the morning around 10.45 and was surprised to see Posters garlanded. Surprised because for such type of old films the gala and festivity would start either on Saturday night or most probably Sunday evening. But on the release day morning itself, pudhu padam pole Periya Poster-il rendu pakkam NT pose-irkum rendu periya maalai podapattirundhadhu.

That made me long for the Sunday Alapparai and from my destination I reached Madurai on Sunday, Dec 2nd, around 5.30 in the evening. Excused myself from my group and reached Town Hall Road around 6.15 PM. Now the whole poster had been covered with garlands and still oru group innoru maalai-yai insert seithu kondirundharkal. Sutrilum niraiyaa Bannergal (from different Mandrangal) and the entrance walls were pasted with copies of yesteryears newspaper cuttings of NT films. 100 days ad of Padikkatha Medhai, 100 days ad of Uyarndha Manidhan (Chennai - Wellington-il), 100 days ad of Avandhan Manidhan (Chennai, Madurai, Tiruchy etc) and Indru mudhal ads of Thiruvilayadal, Andhaman Kaadhali itself, then the poster of Madurai Fans which says "Andhaman Kadhali, Cini Priya Thirai Arangil thirai idappatta naalana 26.01.1978 mudhal, netru (24.02.1978) varai thodarndhu 108 Arangu niranidha kaatchigal". For which Chennai fans have replied that the film has all its 350 shows (till that time) as House Full and have mentioned the theatres (Leo,--) and many more such displays. On seeing that I was reminded of you and Joe.

On seeing me engrossed, the people standing there came to me and enquired about. The Madurai city Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Peravai Thalaivar gave me his card and looking at it ,I found that their office is nearer to your home.(77,Munichalai Road) and his name is Senbaga Arasu. Another enthusiastic fan came to me and said that the next release is going to be Sivandha Man(n) and they are organising to celebrate it in a big manner. He invited me for it.I told him that right now I am not in Madurai.

Meantime, the movie had started it seems and the deafening applause and shouts of Singa Thamizhan Dr.Sivaji - Vaazhga could be heard even at the entrance. Was so tempted to walk in but since I had to catch a train by 8 PM, left the place physically with my mind staying back.

Now thinking, if Andhaman Kadhali (comparitively lesser scenes to celebrate for Fans) could draw such a response, imagine how it is going to be for Sivandha Man(n), a hot favourite of the Fans.

Another thought also crossed my mind. He was not active in films during his last decade (except for few sparkles here and there), was not involved in Politics, was not occupying any party or govt post and it is more than 6 years since he had physically left. But still the hold he has among his fans and general public is awesome and these people going all out in their efforts in supporting theatrical releases and sustaining them tells only one thing. NT is the Best and would remain to be so for ever.

Regards

Murali,

Thanks for nice and exciting writing. NT movies in Madurai still make a good collection. More than A Kadhali, Sivadha Mann will be a treat to fans. It has been long since I last saw S.Mann. There are quite good number of favourite scenes in S.Mann that will make fans happy. I remember the following two scenes:

1. NT's introduction
2. Oru raja rani yidam song: A handsome and gentle looking NT, romancing with Kanchana

NT fans: How about your favourite scenes in S.mann?

Regards

tacinema
8th December 2007, 11:11 AM
Murali,

We should have "sivaji week" in Madurai - one week that makes one NT movie per day. How about this collection?

Friday (1st day) - Thiruvilaiyadal (Purana)
Saturday - Gnana Oli (special for Sat night show)
Sunday - Gauravam
Monday - Galatta kalyanam (a light comedy after heavy dose of weekend)
Tuesday - Paava Manippu (a movie for all)
Wed - Raja (excl. for fans)
Thurs - Paasamalar (ends with an unique movie)

This should be a good treat for fans - a show of NT's versatility.

regards

tacinema
8th December 2007, 11:31 AM
Remixing trend - NT songs come first:

http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/07122007-3.shtml

Do you think it is a good trend to remix NT's classic songs? IMO, copying or remixing NT songs is not a good idea - these songs are special mostly because of NT and NT's acting. I feel by mixing NT songs, they are killing very soul of the song.

What are your comments?

mr_karthik
8th December 2007, 01:22 PM
ஆசிரியர்: "திருட்டுக்கள் எத்தனை வகை சொல்லு..?"

மாணவன்: "சார்....பிக்பாக்கெட், வழிப்பறி, முகமூடிக்கொள்ளை, பாடல் ரீமிக்ஸிங்."

Murali Srinivas
8th December 2007, 03:09 PM
Dear tac,

I am totally against this remix culture. I don't even listen to them. The latest Pon Magal Vandhal, I felt it was a insult to Legends like NT. MSV, TMS and Kannadasan. Now I hear that Chimbu's new film "Silambattam" is going to have remix songs from Thiruvilayadal. Vivek is remixing another NT song it seems in a forthcoming film.

Not only NT songs, as a lover of MGR songs, I felt pained when I listened to Thottal Poo Malarum, and the recent Atho andha Paravai and Andru Vandhadhum Ithe Nila are atrocious to hear. I don't know how MGR fans felt/feel about this, but for me it was painful.

Also I am not ok to the titles of the old movies getting reused because all such movies flop at the BO. Like Raja, Paasa Malargal etc. Again here MGR fans should feel sorry that the Super hit and hit movie names of MGR films are reused and they failed miserably like Naadodi Mannan, Nam Nadu and Rahasiya Police. Now the latest is Raman Thediya Seethai.

But to what to do? Whether we like it or not, these are the trends of the day and we have to live with it.

Regards

thilak4life
8th December 2007, 03:19 PM
I'm against Remix culture, mainly because of the lyrics (especially the "rap" part), and the context of the songs in the films. But in general, I'm with the sound rearrangement which is good to be experienced.

[Murali sir: As a MGR admirer, I'm mighty pissed with stagnants like Vijay (he's touching Sivaji's too - blasphemy) and SJ.Suryah - could someone do something? :twisted: Vivek deserves :hammer: He's an insult to Tamil cinema with his cliched digs at Sivaji, and now he's doing it with a song I suppose ]

Murali Srinivas
8th December 2007, 03:41 PM
tac,

There are many scenes in Sivandha Man(n) which would create a tremendous response from the fans.

Other than the scenes you have mentioned, the song sequences like Oru Naalile, Paarvai Yuvarani, Pattathu Rani and Sollavo etc.

The scenes that readily come to my mind are, NT walking into the house when his parents are performing post death ceremonies for him, NT arguing with his Rangarao ("Unarchikkal Vaarthaiyil illai appa, seyalil irukka vendum" with his heels up and hand on the rise), his frustration and anger that his effort to bomb the train in which the diwan travels, his pain when he is accused of being behind the failure because his father was also travelling in the same train, his sense of disbelief turning into extreme anger when he finds out that in fact Kanchana along with his mother (Shanta Kumari) has defused the bomb ("Namma Vasanthi -- namma Vasanthi" to his colleagues), his body language after he becomes a rebel and many other scenes (which I reserve it for some other day) can be watched countless times.

I last saw it many years ago and the Madurai guy's invitation and your post had made me long for the movie. On any day I would love to watch it in theatre. Let us see whether we have luck

Regards

mr_karthik
8th December 2007, 05:09 PM
his frustration and anger that his effort to bomb the train in which the diwan travels, his pain when he is accused of being behind the failure because his father was also travelling in the same train, his sense of disbelief turning into extreme anger when he finds out that in fact Kanchana along with his mother (Shanta Kumari) has defused the bomb ("Namma Vasanthi -- namma Vasanthi" to his colleagues), his body language after he becomes a rebel and many other scenes (which I reserve it for some other day) can be watched countless times.

டியர் முரளி சார்,

'சிவந்த மண்' படத்தில் நீங்கள் குறிப்பிட்ட காட்சி மட்டுமல்ல. ஒவ்வொரு ஃப்ரேமும், ரசித்து ரசித்து பார்க்க வேண்டியவை. (இந்தப்படத்தின் வசனங்களை தூக்கத்தில் எழுப்பி கேட்டாலும் சொல்வேன். அந்த அளவுக்கு மனப்பாடம்).

உணர்ச்சி மயமான காட்சிகளில் மட்டுமல்ல, கேஷுவலான காட்சிகளிலும் கூட தூள் பரத்தியிருப்பார் நடிகர் திலகம். உதாரணமாக, 'பட்டத்து ராணி' பாடலுக்கு முன், அந்த நாட்டிய நாடகத்துக்கு மேடை அமைப்பு எப்படி இருக்க வேண்டும் என்று தன் நண்பர்களுடன் தன்னுடைய மறைவிடத்தில், 'ஸ்டேஜ் அரேஞ்ச்மெண்ட்' பண்ணுவரே... என்ன ஒரு கேஷுவலான நடிப்பு. அழகான ஒல்லியான உடல்வாகுடன், சுருள்,சுருளான சொந்த முடியுடன்... வாவ்.

முத்துராமன், விஜயன், மாலி உள்ளிட்ட புரட்சிக்காரர்களுடன், நம்பியாரை எதிர்த்து அரண்மனை முன்னர் நடத்தும் போராட்டத்தில் ஆரம்பித்து, முத்துராமன் குண்டடிபட்டு விழுந்து இறக்க, அவர் உடலை தோளில் சுமந்துகொண்டு வீட்டுக்கு வந்து, கிடத்த, தன் மகனின் உடலைப்பார்த்த அதிர்ச்சியில் அந்த தாயும் செத்துப்போக, இருவரின் சடலத்தையும் ஒன்றாக தகனம் செய்து (சீர்காழியின் கணீர் குரலில் "அம்மா உன் மகனோடு உன் பொன்னுடலும் பிரிந்ததம்மா.... இம்மாநிலம் முழுதும் மண்ணே சிவந்ததம்மா... இருண்ட புகை எழுந்து மேகத்தில் கலந்ததம்மா... இளைஞர் படை எழுகவென்று எங்கும் ஒலித்ததம்மா..."), வீடு திரும்பி தன் தாயிடம் ஆசி பெற்று செல்லும்போது, எதிரில் தலைமை காவல்துறை அதிகாரியும் தன் தந்தையுமான ரெங்காராவிடம், தீப்பொறி பறக்கும் விவாதம் செய்து, அவருக்கு அட்டகாசமான சல்யூட் அடித்து விட்டு வெளியேறி, மலையுச்சியில் நின்று, சிம்மக்குரலில் தன் தோழர்களுக்கு எழுச்சியூட்டும் விதமாக பேருரை நிகழ்த்தி, அப்போது தங்களைக்கொல்ல வரும் எலிகாப்டர் தாக்குதலில் இருந்து தப்பி, அந்த எலிகாப்டரையும் சுட்டு வீழ்த்தி, தோழர்களோடு கைசேர்த்து சத்தியப்பிரமாணம் செய்யும் வரையில்.... அய்யோ, என்ன ஒரு உணர்ச்சிப்பிழம்பு...!!!!!.

(இயக்குனர் செய்த மிகப்பெரிய தவறு, சண்டைப்பயிற்சிக்கு ஷியாம் சுந்தரைப் போட்டது. இதற்கு சற்று முன், 'திருடன்' படத்தில் திருவாரூர் தாஸின் சண்டைப்பயிற்சியில் அற்புதமான சண்டைகளைப்பார்த்த நமக்கு, இதில் ஏமாற்றமே. குறிப்பாக விமானத்தில் பறக்கும்போது தேங்காயுடன் நடக்கும் சண்டையிலும் சரி, தங்களின் மறைவிடத்தை காட்டிக்கொடுக்க துணிந்த செஞ்சி கிருஷ்ணனுடன் நள்ளிரவில் போடும் சண்டையும் (அதிலும் ஆற்றுத்தண்ணீருக்குள் குதித்து) சரியான சொதப்பல். அது மட்டுமல்லாமல் ஓட்டலில் முதல் காட்சியில் காஞ்சனாவை சந்தித்து விட்டு, இரண்டாவது சந்திப்பிலேயே தன் காதலை வெளிப்படுத்துவதும் அதை உடனே காஞ்சனா ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதும், சற்று சறுக்கலே).

இவற்றி நீக்கி விட்டு பார்த்தால், படம் அற்புதம், அட்டகாசம்.

tacinema
9th December 2007, 02:59 AM
Dear tac,

I am totally against this remix culture. I don't even listen to them. The latest Pon Magal Vandhal, I felt it was a insult to Legends like NT. MSV, TMS and Kannadasan. Now I hear that Chimbu's new film "Silambattam" is going to have remix songs from Thiruvilayadal. Vivek is remixing another NT song it seems in a forthcoming film.

But to what to do? Whether we like it or not, these are the trends of the day and we have to live with it.

Regards

Remixing should not be used; it is a moral issue for music director. It indicates that the movie director & music director are either running out of ideas or holding a wrong occupation. Ideally, the producer of "old" movies holds the ownership of anything associated with the movie, including its songs. Since we do not have any patents in india movie system, I suppose there is nothing you could do to stop this unwanted behavior of remixing.

Of all these, Vivek's remixing will be in a bad taste, since he has got a habit of "mocking" every artists in tamil cinema. The worst things is that he packages "mocking" as comedy.

tacinema
9th December 2007, 03:16 AM
his frustration and anger that his effort to bomb the train in which the diwan travels, his pain when he is accused of being behind the failure because his father was also travelling in the same train, his sense of disbelief turning into extreme anger when he finds out that in fact Kanchana along with his mother (Shanta Kumari) has defused the bomb ("Namma Vasanthi -- namma Vasanthi" to his colleagues), his body language after he becomes a rebel and many other scenes (which I reserve it for some other day) can be watched countless times.

டியர் முரளி சார்,

'சிவந்த மண்' படத்தில் நீங்கள் குறிப்பிட்ட காட்சி மட்டுமல்ல. ஒவ்வொரு ஃப்ரேமும், ரசித்து ரசித்து பார்க்க வேண்டியவை. (இந்தப்படத்தின் வசனங்களை தூக்கத்தில் எழுப்பி கேட்டாலும் சொல்வேன். அந்த அளவுக்கு மனப்பாடம்).

உணர்ச்சி மயமான காட்சிகளில் மட்டுமல்ல, கேஷுவலான காட்சிகளிலும் கூட தூள் பரத்தியிருப்பார் நடிகர் திலகம். உதாரணமாக, 'பட்டத்து ராணி' பாடலுக்கு முன், அந்த நாட்டிய நாடகத்துக்கு மேடை அமைப்பு எப்படி இருக்க வேண்டும் என்று தன் நண்பர்களுடன் தன்னுடைய மறைவிடத்தில், 'ஸ்டேஜ் அரேஞ்ச்மெண்ட்' பண்ணுவரே... என்ன ஒரு கேஷுவலான நடிப்பு. அழகான ஒல்லியான உடல்வாகுடன், சுருள்,சுருளான சொந்த முடியுடன்... வாவ்.

முத்துராமன், விஜயன், மாலி உள்ளிட்ட புரட்சிக்காரர்களுடன், நம்பியாரை எதிர்த்து அரண்மனை முன்னர் நடத்தும் போராட்டத்தில் ஆரம்பித்து, முத்துராமன் குண்டடிபட்டு விழுந்து இறக்க, அவர் உடலை தோளில் சுமந்துகொண்டு வீட்டுக்கு வந்து, கிடத்த, தன் மகனின் உடலைப்பார்த்த அதிர்ச்சியில் அந்த தாயும் செத்துப்போக, இருவரின் சடலத்தையும் ஒன்றாக தகனம் செய்து (சீர்காழியின் கணீர் குரலில் "அம்மா உன் மகனோடு உன் பொன்னுடலும் பிரிந்ததம்மா.... இம்மாநிலம் முழுதும் மண்ணே சிவந்ததம்மா... இருண்ட புகை எழுந்து மேகத்தில் கலந்ததம்மா... இளைஞர் படை எழுகவென்று எங்கும் ஒலித்ததம்மா..."), வீடு திரும்பி தன் தாயிடம் ஆசி பெற்று செல்லும்போது, எதிரில் தலைமை காவல்துறை அதிகாரியும் தன் தந்தையுமான ரெங்காராவிடம், தீப்பொறி பறக்கும் விவாதம் செய்து, அவருக்கு அட்டகாசமான சல்யூட் அடித்து விட்டு வெளியேறி, மலையுச்சியில் நின்று, சிம்மக்குரலில் தன் தோழர்களுக்கு எழுச்சியூட்டும் விதமாக பேருரை நிகழ்த்தி, அப்போது தங்களைக்கொல்ல வரும் எலிகாப்டர் தாக்குதலில் இருந்து தப்பி, அந்த எலிகாப்டரையும் சுட்டு வீழ்த்தி, தோழர்களோடு கைசேர்த்து சத்தியப்பிரமாணம் செய்யும் வரையில்.... அய்யோ, என்ன ஒரு உணர்ச்சிப்பிழம்பு...!!!!!.

(இயக்குனர் செய்த மிகப்பெரிய தவறு, சண்டைப்பயிற்சிக்கு ஷியாம் சுந்தரைப் போட்டது. இதற்கு சற்று முன், 'திருடன்' படத்தில் திருவாரூர் தாஸின் சண்டைப்பயிற்சியில் அற்புதமான சண்டைகளைப்பார்த்த நமக்கு, இதில் ஏமாற்றமே. குறிப்பாக விமானத்தில் பறக்கும்போது தேங்காயுடன் நடக்கும் சண்டையிலும் சரி, தங்களின் மறைவிடத்தை காட்டிக்கொடுக்க துணிந்த செஞ்சி கிருஷ்ணனுடன் நள்ளிரவில் போடும் சண்டையும் (அதிலும் ஆற்றுத்தண்ணீருக்குள் குதித்து) சரியான சொதப்பல். அது மட்டுமல்லாமல் ஓட்டலில் முதல் காட்சியில் காஞ்சனாவை சந்தித்து விட்டு, இரண்டாவது சந்திப்பிலேயே தன் காதலை வெளிப்படுத்துவதும் அதை உடனே காஞ்சனா ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதும், சற்று சறுக்கலே).

இவற்றி நீக்கி விட்டு பார்த்தால், படம் அற்புதம், அட்டகாசம்.

Murali & Mr_karthik avargale,

As usual, beautiful and touchy writing on S.Mann. Unfortunately, I do not remember most of these scenes, as I saw this movie long time back at Madurai Alankar during its re-release (ran 2 weeks that time).

there are couple of scenes that etched in my memory:

1. obviously, ora raja rani yidam song - a beautiful song, equally handsome NT and beautiful Kanchana. It is so appealing to see NT, along with Kanchana, in different costumes moving around Eiffel towers. IMO, this love song always sounds so refreshing and evergreen.
2. after a song sequence, NT removes bullet from Kanchana's arm (?? in this movie?)
3. Final fight scene with Nambiar in a giant balloon

I need to revisit this movie. I would prefer seeing this movie in Madurai along with NT fans.

Regards

tacinema
9th December 2007, 03:29 AM
On Sivandha Mann: Though the movie was a successful one, I feel that from the point of view of Sridhar movies, it was not up to the standard.

Sridhar is known for making breakthru movies in TFM. But in case of Sivandha Mann, he did not deliver it either in his own style or NT style. Sridhar took a nice storyline, but he brought in different aspects such as romance, patriotism and action together and mixed them in an unproportional way. So, I feel the resultant product turned out to be a mixed on. With some changes, Sridhar could have made a master piece out of the movie.

What do you think?

tacinema
9th December 2007, 03:35 AM
அது மட்டுமல்லாமல் ஓட்டலில் முதல் காட்சியில் காஞ்சனாவை சந்தித்து விட்டு, இரண்டாவது சந்திப்பிலேயே தன் காதலை வெளிப்படுத்துவதும் அதை உடனே காஞ்சனா ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதும், சற்று சறுக்கலே).

இவற்றி நீக்கி விட்டு பார்த்தால், படம் அற்புதம், அட்டகாசம்.

Ennanga idhu!!!. this is better than latest style - letteril kadhal, parkaamal kadhal, kannai mattum parthu kadahal..... So, I am happy that NT disclosed his feeling and Kanchana accepted it without any second thought :D

But, I agree this: Being a pionner in love stories, director Sridhar could have made a better impact.

Regards

Shakthiprabha.
9th December 2007, 03:27 PM
On a different perspective, Ive noticed few kids ( i.e. teenagers 15 to 20) taking interest in such remix songs... Later when we try to tell them about the original mix, THEY ACTUALLY get interested to watch and hear the old song.

I had made my neighbour's son sit and watch 'sorgam' (pon magaL vanthaaL) sivaji song and 'hey aatha' ( payangaL mudivathillai ) song...

He confessed, its so interesting to relate to the olden (golden ) period and would take special interest hence forth to listen to old songs..

so... may be.. MAY BE... it would increase the life span of old movies/stars/music?

Shakthiprabha.
9th December 2007, 03:38 PM
Yesterday they had telecasted

"NALLORTHORU kudumbam" in kalaignar tv . I was so much reminded of our hub thread :)

LOVED / ENJOYED watching my fav pair :)

Vanishree's char is a very practical char present in day to day life. An egoisitc yet kind woman of great values :D

It would be fun ( too practical too) to watch them meet after 20 years with so much love brimming in their heart yet covering it with HAUGHT face, which is ready to be torn off by a single gesture of love.

"செவ்வானமே பொன்மேஹமே"

and

"சிந்து நதிக்கரை ஓரம்" rocked...

Climax... I am sorry to say, TARNISHED the movie and we are left with a residue of bad taste.

The very decision for having watched the movie is repented :roll: :(

Shakthiprabha.
9th December 2007, 04:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twyw3RCCFAE

நடிகர் திலகமே! தேன் தமிழை உன் வாய் மொழியில் கேட்க தெவிட்டாத இன்பம்

Seriously that character of manohara's mom (kanaamba) is very irritating :roll:

Murali Srinivas
9th December 2007, 11:00 PM
Dear tac,Karthik,

I was talking about Andhaman Kadhali fans response at Madurai last Sunday. Here is the surprise suspense for you.

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Others snaps..

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00014.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00013.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00012.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00010.jpg

Regards

tacinema
10th December 2007, 08:39 AM
Dear tac,Karthik,

I was talking about Andhaman Kadhali fans response at Madurai last Sunday. Here is the surprise suspense for you.



http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00011.jpg



Others snaps..

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00014.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00013.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00012.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/cdjm/DSC00010.jpg

Regards

Murali,

Thanks for those pics. It reminds me of my school days when I, along with NT fan-friends, went to see Raja at Chinatamani with huge garland. Though I never associated with any NT fan mandrams, it was merely an act of fan-fun days.

It is good to see NT movies still draw huge crowds. Though this blessed actor was neither associated with any political party nor was he acting in movies regularly during his death, he still draws a big crowd. It shows NT and his movies never fade away. Fans may have lost NT some years back but thru his movies, we see him every day.

If Andha mann kadhali pulls the crowd to theater, then what would be our response for movies such as gauravam, vp kattabomman, karnan, gnana oli, uththama puthiran, thangapathakkam, raja, pattikada pattanama, and so on. One song - just one song - "adi ennadi rakkama" from PPattanama will be enough to pull you into theater. On Sat night or sun evening show, we will have field day in the theater. I wish i were in madurai to enjoy this.

These movies confirm that NT legacy will live forever. Long live NT's name.

Regards

tacinema
10th December 2007, 08:54 AM
[tscii:01b5e7e43f]It is amazing to see how talented NT was. Follow this link: http://tfmpage.com/forum/19464.1133.01.54.38.html

The writing by Manisegaran is very interesting and this thread covers his writing on K V Mahadevan. Under Part 23, the author Manisegaran discusses about Thillana Mohanambal (TM). Somewhere in the middle, Manisegaran writes this:

*** Now this film (TM) was a challenge for Sivaji himself, as he was working against all odds. In order to make the film a success, Sivaji got the famous Rajaratnam Pillai to play nadaswaram for five hours and observed the style. He completely immersed himself in the ocean of music and was oblivious to his own self. As he was listening to the music, Sivaji put his head on Kannadasan’s lap and enjoying the tune. ***

Just 5 hours training - NT blew away everyone and a master performance was born. What a talented, unbelievable and amazing performance from NT!!. He delievered a true master piece in TMohanambal.

An immensely talented actor - our NT - did tamil movie world use him properly? In my view, as a whole, tamil movie world couldn't catch up with him completely. Look at his evergreen performance in late 50 and 60's movie - you can clearly see that tamil producers and directors must have had tough time in matching NT's versatiliy and performance. NT - a master icon of his own and self-created, who first put a benchmark yardstick in acting for the coming generation actors to follow and emulate.

What do you think?

Regards
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kamath
10th December 2007, 10:48 AM
shakthi,

I had warned U of the horrid manorama comedy in nalathoru kudumbam. :-)

Regarding sivandha mann, I remember seeing director sridhar's interview in DD. He said that the film flopped at the B.O mainly because of the amateurish way in which the climax was picturised.

raaja_rasigan
10th December 2007, 12:59 PM
சிம்பு நடிக்கும் சிலம்பாட்டம் படத்தில் சிவாஜி நடித்த `தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள்' படத்தின் புகழ் பெற்ற பாடலான `நலந்தானா' பாடலை ரீமிக்ஸ் செய்கிறார்கள். படத்தின் திருப்புமுனைக்கான பாடல் காட்சியாக இது இருக்குமாம்.

http://www.dailythanthi.com/magazines/nyaru_kudumpa_Cinema.htm

:hammer: :banghead:

Murali Srinivas
10th December 2007, 01:10 PM
Dear tac,

I am happy that you liked the pics. In fact I should thank two people who made this possible.

I didn't have a camera mobile. So when I went to the theatre, I took my friend's mobile who had come along with me from Chennai. But due to technical snag, my friend was unable to transfer the data from the mobile to his notebook. That's the reason I refrained from initially mentioning about the photos because if he had not been able to solve the problem then it would be a dissapointment for all. It took him a week and he worked all Sunday(yeasterday) to fix the issue and we were able to to get the photos. I should thank him.

Then Joe. I disturbed him in the middle of the night (Singapore time) to get these photos uploaded. He gleefully did it even at that point of time for all people to see. We should thank Joe also.

Regarding TM. I think there is a factual error. Thiruvaduthurai Raja Rathinam Pillai passed away in 1956 and the other genius Karukurichi Arunachalam(who did it for Singara Velane Deva in Konchum Salangai) also passed away in the early 60's. So when APN decided to make TM, the two stalwarts were not available. At that time our Madurai masteros M.P.N.Sethuraman and M.P.N.Ponnusamy were the most popular ones. So that's why AVM Rajan's character was specically created for the movie (which was not there in the original novel of Kothamangalam Subbu) to accomdate both the brothers.

Actually NT listened to these two brothers playing and prepared himself. Of course for him it was another day at the office.

Regards

Shakthiprabha.
10th December 2007, 01:20 PM
shakthi,

I had warned U of the horrid manorama comedy in nalathoru kudumbam. :-)

oh yes .. :) :roll:

sankara1970
10th December 2007, 03:20 PM
Though most of the times, we feel hurt by the way the remixing is done, even Pon Magal Vandal recently,

One can differentiate the old and new.

I would like to c the Varathappa song from Babu, the first of its kind.

One will be happy if a bit of original is also shown along with remix.




On a different perspective, Ive noticed few kids ( i.e. teenagers 15 to 20) taking interest in such remix songs... Later when we try to tell them about the original mix, THEY ACTUALLY get interested to watch and hear the old song.

I had made my neighbour's son sit and watch 'sorgam' (pon magaL vanthaaL) sivaji song and 'hey aatha' ( payangaL mudivathillai ) song...

He confessed, its so interesting to relate to the olden (golden ) period and would take special interest hence forth to listen to old songs..

so... may be.. MAY BE... it would increase the life span of old movies/stars/music?

sankara1970
10th December 2007, 03:22 PM
Though most of the times, we feel hurt by the way the remixing is done, even Pon Magal Vandal recently,

One can differentiate the old and new.

I would like to c the Varathappa song from Babu, the first of its kind.

One will be happy if a bit of original is also shown along with remix.




On a different perspective, Ive noticed few kids ( i.e. teenagers 15 to 20) taking interest in such remix songs... Later when we try to tell them about the original mix, THEY ACTUALLY get interested to watch and hear the old song.

I had made my neighbour's son sit and watch 'sorgam' (pon magaL vanthaaL) sivaji song and 'hey aatha' ( payangaL mudivathillai ) song...

He confessed, its so interesting to relate to the olden (golden ) period and would take special interest hence forth to listen to old songs..

so... may be.. MAY BE... it would increase the life span of old movies/stars/music?

Shakthiprabha.
10th December 2007, 03:38 PM
One will be happy if a bit of original is also shown along with remix.


Interesting idea :thumbsup:

mr_karthik
10th December 2007, 07:52 PM
Dear Murali Sir,

Thanks a lot for your surprise / suspense collection of photos, which we cant get from any sources, except an addict NT fan like you. (no need to tell, I have downloaded them in my NT's image collections)

(The photo in the banner Shivaji (with Parbhu) is from the movie Raja, when he was sitting in a rolling chair and talking in telephone with the 'orange haired' man)

I will always (madly) thinking, how will it be, if God turned the world, forty years back.