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Murali Srinivas
3rd September 2007, 08:20 PM
Dear Sankara,

Welcome back and you have come with a great news. Hope it happens and happens soon.

NOV,

Ennidam details kettuvittu neengale provide panni viteergal. In addition to what you have mentioned, it was a historical story. As I had mentioned earlier (which Groucho had also pointed out) it was long in the making. This was the first NT film directed by APN. Though historical in nature, actor Venkatraman would be wearing specs(!). APN always had fascination for NT- Savithri pair and it happened here also. Other than the mentioned Tamizh nattu Kali Ulagin thilagame, the other song Seerulavum Inba natham was a big hit with NT as usual would be at his majestic best. Saalaiyile Puliya maram was also another hit song in the movie.

If I am not off the mark this is NT's 80th film and if you check between 76th and 86th films of NT, there would be 3,4 delayed films which hit the screen during this period (ie) 1962 to early 63, like Valar Pirai, Vadivukku Valaikappu, Senthamarai, Chitoor Rani Padmini and Arivaali.

Another side info connected with this movie is APN's younger brother was blessed with a girl child during the release of this movie and she was promptly named Vadivukkarasi. Yes you are right. She is the same Tamil actress .

Regards

Murali Srinivas
3rd September 2007, 09:02 PM
Dear Karthik,

You are right. Most of the time in his career, NT had this problem and fans were literally feeling sad when some of the movies which should have easily run for 100 days and 25 weeks failed to do so. Not only for good mouth publicity movies, even for big time hit movies like Pattikkada Pattanama, there was only 70 days gap and you should be remembering PP was removed after 146 days from Shanthi, Crown, Bhuvaneswari to make way for Vasantha Maaligai. But for that PP should have continued for 25 weeks. Even VM was removed after 176 days to accomdate Bharatha Vilas. Raman Ethanai Ramanadi after 75 days had to be changed from Shanthi because Engirundho Vandhal has been charted. Saradha had written about all these things in Part II, if I remember correctly. In all the above mentioned cases it was our Madurai which went on to reach the coveted land marks. PP celebrated 182 days, VM 200 days and RER had a 100 day run in the releasing centres of Madurai city. When speaking about this, I remember one incident.

In 1977 on Pongal day, Avan Oru Charithiram was released and within 2,3 days came the paper advertisement that Dheepam would be released on 26th Jan, hardly 10 days gap. The Fans went to the headquarters of Akila Indhiya Sivaji Mandram situated at Teynampet Congress building and from there went to Pantheon Road Sujatha Cine Arts office but Balajee was not willing to postpone. So pressure was mounted on VCShanmugam and on NT. He simply said he cannot ask the producer to postpone because he has invested a lot of money. NT added that any movie if it attracts audience would run irrespective of the gap. To cut a long story short, Dheepam was released on 26th and became a big hit while AOS failed to make it.

Regards

PS: Karthik, you are also right about 1981 and 1971. Iru Dhruvam was the first movie of 1971 but what Raghavendran is mentioning is on April 14th of 1971, 5 movies were running and by that time Iru Dhruvam released on 14th Jan (Pongal) had been shifted.

NOV
4th September 2007, 09:01 AM
Thanks Murali. I was hoping that you would describe the events surrounding the song and narrate in your own inimitable style giving us a live feel. :D

saradhaa_sn
4th September 2007, 03:52 PM
If I am not off the mark this is NT's 80th film and if you check between 76th and 86th films of NT, there would be 3,4 delayed films which hit the screen during this period (ie) 1962 to early 63, like Valar Pirai, Vadivukku Valaikappu, Senthamarai, Chitoor Rani Padmini and Arivaali.

Regards

டியர் முரளி...

முன்னொருமுறை நண்பர் கார்த்திக் சொன்னது போல, இந்த படங்கள் அனைத்தும் ('எல்லாம் உனக்காக' மற்றும் 'மருத நாட்டு வீரன்' படங்களும் சேர்த்து), நடிகர் திலகம் - பீம்சிங் கூட்டணியில் வந்த "ப" மற்றும் "பா" வரிசைப் படங்களின் சுழற்சியில் சிக்கி வெற்றி வாய்ப்பை இழந்தன.

அதில் தப்பிப்பிழைத்தவை விடிவெள்ளியும் நிச்சய தாம்பூலமும் மட்டுமே.

madhu
4th September 2007, 04:15 PM
Is aRivaaLi not a successful movie ? :huh:

selvakumar
4th September 2007, 04:28 PM
Cinema Express:

Wax statue to be installed for our beloved Nadigar Thilagam in London museum

:clap: :clap: :clap:

He deserves it ! :notworthy:

But ithula Jennifer Lopez, Aishwarya Rai, <<Matrum oruvar>> etc ivangalukku ellam vachuttaanga.

Indha news ah eppadi eduthukirathunnae therla :roll:

saradhaa_sn
4th September 2007, 04:38 PM
Most of the time in his career, NT had this problem and fans were literally feeling sad when some of the movies which should have easily run for 100 days and 25 weeks failed to do so. Not only for good mouth publicity movies, even for big time hit movies like Pattikkada Pattanama, there was only 70 days gap and you should be remembering PP was removed after 146 days from Shanthi, Crown, Bhuvaneswari to make way for Vasantha Maaligai. But for that PP should have continued for 25 weeks. Even VM was removed after 176 days to accomdate Bharatha Vilas. Raman Ethanai Ramanadi after 75 days had to be changed from Shanthi because Engirundho Vandhal has been charted. Saradha had written about all these things in Part II, if I remember correctly. In all the above mentioned cases it was our Madurai which went on to reach the coveted land marks. PP celebrated 182 days, VM 200 days and RER had a 100 day run in the releasing centres of Madurai city. When speaking about this, I remember one incident.

PS: Karthik, you are also right about 1981 and 1971. Iru Dhruvam was the first movie of 1971 but what Raghavendran is mentioning is on April 14th of 1971, 5 movies were running and by that time Iru Dhruvam released on 14th Jan (Pongal) had been shifted.

டியர் முரளி சார்...

நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரியே. அதே சமயம் 1971ல் 'இருதுருவம்' வெளியானபோது, சொர்க்கம், எங்கிருந்தோ வந்தாள், பாதுகாப்பு ஆகிய படங்கள் ஓடிக்கொண்டிருந்தன.

உங்கள் மதுரைக்கு எப்போதுமே எங்களின் நன்றி உண்டு. காரணம் 'பட்டிக்காடா பட்டணமாவை' வெள்ளிவிழா படமாக்கியதும், 'ராமன் எத்தனை ராமனடி', என் மகன்', 'உத்தமன்' படங்களை 100 நாள் பட வரிசையில் இடம் பெறச்செய்ததும் உங்கள் மதுரையே. சென்னை மக்களும் கூட பார்க்கத் தயாராக இருந்தார்கள். ஆனால் சாந்தி, கிரௌன், புவனேஸ்வரி அரங்குகளை விட்டால் வேறு அரங்குகளே இல்லையென்பது போல, நன்றக ஓடிக்கொண்டிருந்த பல படங்கள் மாற்றப்பட்டு, புதிய படங்கள் வெளியிடப்பட்டன.


When speaking about this, I remember one incident.

In 1977 on Pongal day, Avan Oru Charithiram was released and within 2,3 days came the paper advertisement that Dheepam would be released on 26th Jan, hardly 10 days gap. The Fans went to the headquarters of Akila Indhiya Sivaji Mandram situated at Teynampet Congress building and from there went to Pantheon Road Sujatha Cine Arts office but Balajee was not willing to postpone. So pressure was mounted on VCShanmugam and on NT. He simply said he cannot ask the producer to postpone because he has invested a lot of money. NT added that any movie if it attracts audience would run irrespective of the gap. To cut a long story short, Dheepam was released on 26th and became a big hit while AOS failed to make it.


நீங்கள் சொன்னது போல, சாந்தி, கிரௌன், புவனேஸ்வரியில் 'அண்ணன் ஒரு கோயில்' 114 நாட்கள் ஓடிக்கொண்டிருந்தபோது, 'தியாகம்' படம் வெளியிடப் படுவதற்காக 'அண்ணன் ஒரு கோயில்' தூக்கப்பட்டது. அப்போதும் சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் சிவாஜி மன்றத்துக்கும், சுஜாதா சினி ஆர்ட்ஸ் அலுவலகத்துக்கும் படையெடுத்தார்கள். பாலாஜியுடன் வாக்குவாதம் முற்றி போலீஸ் வரும் அளவுக்குப்போய் விட்டது.

(மார்ச் 4ல் 'தியாகம்' வெளியான அன்றே மார்ச் 18ல் 'என்னைப்போல ஒருவன் ரிலீஸ் என்று முழுப்பக்க விளம்பரம் வந்தது. அதே போல 14 நாள் இடைவெளியில் 'என்னைப்போல ஒருவன்' தேவி பாரடைஸ், அகஸ்தியா, முரளிகிருஷ்ணாவில் வெளியானது).

joe
4th September 2007, 04:38 PM
Indha news ah eppadi eduthukirathunnae therla :roll:

You have a point Selva..

We are happy not because of NT got it (He deserves much much more) ,but atleast now they realise that Indian cinema is not just Bollywood.

joe
4th September 2007, 04:40 PM
Saradha Madam,
'Uththaman' is not just 100 days movie ,It is Silver Jublee movie.

sankara1970
4th September 2007, 05:03 PM
Cinema Express:

Wax statue to be installed for our beloved Nadigar Thilagam in London museum

Indha news ah eppadi eduthukirathunnae therla :roll:

Before Chevalie award was given to NT, a group of fans association in France made efforts by collecting datas of NT films to inform French govt. On that basis, the award was given.

Though NT got an international award very early in his career, later on his efforts were overshadowed somehow and it did not reach beyond Indian waters.

Deiva Magan was the first film to be sent for Oscar. See the similarity, he got award for Devar Magan towards the end of his career.

NT headed a team of artists to US in 1962 and we do not have full information on his visit. NT was given key of Columbia city and was Mayor for one day as a token of respect. Only other Indian to receive such respect was Nehru.

This was statue once installed again will raise a question "who is this man" and dear fans get ready to answer the younger generation.

Surely, someone like us, would have made effort for this Wax statue.

What's wrong, if anyother Indian had already got this honour.

Yea, NT deserves more! That we know!

NOV
4th September 2007, 07:30 PM
dig////

Famed Hollywood actor George Clooney was awarded the Chevalier award yesterday. Clooney, who has acted in several successful films, uses the platform to raise social issues such as the Ethiopian cause.

end dig///

joe
5th September 2007, 08:47 AM
படத்தில் நடிகர் திலகத்தின் நடிப்பிற்கு பெரும்பாலும் நீதிமன்ற காட்சியையோ, அல்லது பராசக்தியின் பின்னாலிருந்து எழுந்து பூசாரியிடம் பேசும் வசனத்தையோ சொல்வார்கள். ஆனால் எனக்கு பிடித்தது, அவள் தங்கை முன்பு பைத்தியம் போல் முதன் முதலில் நடிக்கும் காட்சி. மன்னனை போல, கூத்தாடியை போல, மந்திரியை போல, ஏழை விவசாயி போல மோனோ ஆக்டிங் செய்திருப்பார். அந்த காட்சியை பார்த்ததும் அந்நியன் படத்தில் பிரகாஷ்ராஜ் பேசும் "எம்.ஜி.ஆரை பார்த்திருக்கேன், சிவாஜிய பார்த்திருக்கேன், ரஜினிய பார்த்திருக்கேன், கமலை பார்த்திருக்கேன். ஆனா இந்த மாதிரி ஒரு நடிகனை பார்த்ததில்லைனு" வசனத்தை எழுதியவருக்கு "பராசக்தி" DVD பார்சல் செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று நினைத்து கொண்டேன். முதல் படத்திலே தான் ஒரு மகாநடிகன் என்று நிருபித்திருக்கிறார்.

More Here...

http://keethukottai.blogspot.com/2007/08/parasakthi.html

Very good writeup on Parasakthi

DHANUSU
5th September 2007, 09:50 AM
I remember watching as a kid a scene where Sivaji will be singing and a cobra comes into the room. He will then ask the snake something thru the song.

song?
film?

The film is "Thiruvarutchelvar" and the song is "Naadar mudi melirukkum nalla paambe".

NT (a saivaite saint) visits the house of Muthuraman (i think Saavithiri is his wife; i am not sure) and the later requests the saint to have lunch with him to which NT agrees. Muthuraman asks his son to bring a banana leaf for serving the food. When the son is plucking the leaf a snake bites him and he dies. Muthuraman and his wife, hiding their grief, serve food to the saint. On enquiry, NT learns about the demise of their son. A furious NT, takes the corpse to the temple and sings before the deity. In the song he vents out his ire towards the snake ('aadhi sivan thalai amarndha aanavamaa? avan angamellam vilayaadum dhairiyamaa?' etc). At the end of the song he orders the snake, in the name of God, to take back the venom from the body and give him a fresh lease of life (nenjam maarividu, pillayai vaazha vidu) and finally the snake obeys his orders.

If you listen to this song carefully, you will appreciate the spectacular voice modulation of the veteran TMS, especially during the rendering of "nenjam maarividu pillayai vaazha vidu". At this point it will be a humble request. Then the tone changes to that of an order, where he invokes God and orders the snake to give life to the boy.

The scene, of course with the imposing presence of NT, is a visual treat too.

saradhaa_sn
5th September 2007, 01:46 PM
Saradha Madam,
'Uththaman' is not just 100 days movie ,It is Silver Jublee movie.

டியர் ஜோ..

'உத்தமன்' வெள்ளிவிழாவைக்கடந்து ஓடியது இலங்கையில்தான்.

தமிழ்நாட்டில் அது மதுரை 'நியூ சினிமா'வில் நூறு நாட்களைக்கடந்து ஓடியது. (தினத்தந்தி விளம்பரம் என்னிடம் உள்ளது).

joe
5th September 2007, 01:53 PM
Sarada madam,
Thanks for info ..Looks like few NT movies ran more days in Srilanka than in TN..

Uththaman
Pilot Premnath
Vasantha Maligai.

Any other?

saradhaa_sn
5th September 2007, 01:54 PM
I remember watching as a kid a scene where Sivaji will be singing and a cobra comes into the room. He will then ask the snake something thru the song.

song?
film?

The film is "Thiruvarutchelvar" and the song is "Naadar mudi melirukkum nalla paambe".

ஏற்கெனவே முந்திய பக்கத்தில் JOE, அது 'திருவருட்செல்வர்' என்று கூற, NOV தான் சொன்னது புராணப்படம் இல்லையென்று சொல்லி மறுத்து, பின்னர் அந்தப்படம் 'வடிவுக்கு வளைகாப்பு' என்று சொல்லியிருக்கிறார்.

பின்னர் 'திருவருட்செல்வரி'லும் இக்காட்சி இடம் பெற்றுள்ளது.

Murali Srinivas
5th September 2007, 05:06 PM
Dear NOV,

Sorry. Actually I don't have details because it is more than 20 - 25 years since I have last seen this movie and whenever it was screened in TV, I was not able to watch it. So whatever I remembered, I wrote the same. If you remember we were discussing about watching the movies in VCD/DVD and I had strongly advocated Theatre watching. Now since it has almost become impossible to watch old movies in theatre, I had started collecting VCD/DVDs and watching it. To start with I watched Niraikudam and KPB and wrote about the same and I have completed 2, 3 movies more out of which I intend to write about one (as the other two were widely discussed here). Hopefully I can procure Vadivukku Valaikappu and write about it.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
5th September 2007, 05:43 PM
Dear Madhu,

Arivaali was a successful movie but not up to the requisite level. Again the problem was Aalaya Mani was successfully running when Arivaali was released and it was followed by Iruvar Ullam again a huge hit and it was followed by Kulamagal Radhai and Paar Magalae Paar. So you can imagine how Arivaali would have suffered.

Dear Joe,

Srilanka was/is always a strong fort of NT and as for as I know, no other actor before or after him had commanded such a following.

Dear Saradhaa,

After these many years we can only feel sorry that so many good fims suffered because of such happenings. While writing about AOS and Deepam, I failed to mention one thing. While AOS was released on Pongal day, Rojavin Raja was just 3 weeks old, it having been released on 24.12.1976. So not only AOS but RR also suffered. As everyone is aware Rojavin Raja was a good and enjoyable movie (Raghavendran Sir, your favourite) with NT- Vanishree combo doing it beautifully ( Alankaram Kalayatha & Janakin Magalai). But what to do, it didn't get the success it deserved and ended as a 50 day movie.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
5th September 2007, 07:10 PM
Dear PR,

You were asking about NT's comedy scenes in KPB. Overall he would have presented his part laced with humour. Particular scenes where his ability to do comedy gets reflected are

1. He and Padmini would plan the marriage of TRR with Ragini. He would initially speak about the upperhand that males hold over females and Padmini would admonish him and gives the details of the plan, his face would change and slowely reflecting an obedient servant's emotions would say he would do it as a " Padmini Bakthan " bending his arm and his face. Nice scene.

2. He would wait near Padmini's house hoping to catch a glimpse of her and to have a word with her. She would take out a piece of paper write about the meeting place, will take a paper weight and wound the paper around it and throw it at him. This will hit him on his head and the paper will fly away. He will turn around and see her and then realise about the paper. By this time it would have landed on the garbage lorry and he would jump on it and try to retrieve the paper. The cleaner boy asks him " Ethavathu mukkiyamanathai vittuteengala", he would keep his face in a ashta konal manner and say " En uyirae ithulathan irukku". Having replied that he would find the vechile moving and his efforts to jump off would be hilarious.

3. Ragini after dressing herself as an American retuned lady would occupy the house opposite NT's. She would sing a lovely song "Vennilla -- (by Bharadhi Dasan) sitting on the balcony. Seeing this TRR would like to do the same but he cannot sing. So he would sit and lip sync whereas NT would be sitting by the side and singing. (Since this was released in 1954, this should have come first before Adutha Veetu Penn where this scene is replicated or is it the other way round?) Ragini finds out and you should see NT's face expressions changing.

4. The other song Jolly Life (sung by Chandra babu) would also be good watch when NT and TRR share their happiness.

On the whole it was an effortless performance from NT.

Regards

kalnayak
5th September 2007, 08:37 PM
NT's heroine of Kappalottiya Thamizhan is no more: Actor Rukmani (Mother of popular actress Lakshmi) passed away yesterday (4th September'07)

http://www.hindu.com/2007/09/05/stories/2007090560810200.htm

Murali Srinivas
5th September 2007, 08:49 PM
Iru Malargal - A Black and White poem on celluloid, I would say. Even after 40 years, it attracts you, absorbs you and makes it a compulsive view and I finished it in one go.

It talks about a man caught in between his lady love and his devoted wife and the upheavals in his life due to that forms the basis of this film.

NT and Padmini are studying(!) in the same class and they always have a fight on their hands. But NT is very much in love with Padmini and when they perform in a Dance - Drama competition at Madurai and later move on to Kodaikanal, he expresses the same. Padmini asks him to climb up a peak so that she will consider his love. NT suffers from Agoraphobia (fear of heights) and he feels giddy while climbing up and almost swoons down when Padmini realises the problem and she accepts his love.

Back home, NT has a cousin residing at his house (Murai Penn) played by KRV who takes care of the the entire household works as her parents are no more and NT's mother had also passed away. She is so fond of NT that she would do anything for him. She has a desire to marry him and NT's father (Nagaiah) being her uncle also wants the marriage to take place. But KRV accidentally comes to know of the love between NT - Padmini and changes her mind. Nagaiah asks NT to marry her but he refuses revealing that he is in love with another girl. His father becomes furious and starts looking for another bride groom to marry KRV.

Meanwhile Padmini leaves for her Brother's place. He is the only relative of her and she goes there to obtain his permission. She informs NT that she would be sending a letter on a particular date (Oct 10th). NT waits for her letter. The day comes and letter arrives. Alas! Padmini informs that she is getting married to another person as she could not go against the wishes of her brother. That literally shatters NT who becomes bed ridden.

But what actually happened was Padmini's brother, an Army Major gets killed in a road accident along with his wife and his three children have nobody left to look after other than their aunt Padmini. She decides to renounce her love and take care of the children. So she tells a lie so that NT doesn't come after her.

NT unaware of all these things is very upst and dejected. KRV takes care of him all the time which leads to the unpleasent incident of the bridegroom who comes to see her, accusing her of having a relationship with NT. That makes Nagaiah go wild and when NT realises how much his father and his cousin had suffered because of him decides to marry KRV. Interval

The second half opens and we are told 6 years have passed by. NT is now a big successful businessman settled in Kodai and has a daughter (Roja Ramani) studying in a prestigious school there. Nagesh who was earlier the professor of the College wher NT - Padmini studied is the Principal of the College and Asokan is the Correspondent. Padmini who had put her nephews and niece in a boarding school has now joined in this school as a teacher with the recommendation of Nagesh and she is the class teacher for Roja Ramani. KRV makes her accept to take Private tuition for her daughter and she comes home or taking classes.

Eventually the meet between the old love flames happens and that starts an emotional upheaval in NT and Padmini's lives. The Family life of NT - KRV also takes a beating and the child being a witness to a emotion charged meet between her father and teacher is also physcologically affected. Added to that the correspondent who has an eye on Padmini spells trouble for her by getting her dismissed from service because she has not played ball to him.

Seeing things going out of hand, NT and Padmini decide to meet up and this is overheard by KRV who also decides to leave NT's life as she feels that Padmini should take her rightful place. In a place in the hill where once they expressed their love the old lovers meet up and Padmini asks NT whether he is ready to renounce everything including his wife and daughter and come with her. What NT replies paves the ending of the story. Of course no prizes for guessing. It is within the conventional cultural parmeters but your heart feels for the lead characters.

Will come back on performances

Regards

RajaRam
5th September 2007, 09:36 PM
Srilanka was/is always a strong fort of NT and as for as I know, no other actor before or after him had commanded such a following.

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I think Neeya and Guru ran more than 1 year in Srilanka and still it is record there.
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Murali Srinivas
5th September 2007, 10:16 PM
As for as Sundar character of Iru Malargal is concerned, NT had given out a solid but subdued performance. He portrays two different faces of the character. In the first half he is all agile and brings out a person madly in love with the girl of his liking. Second half shows him as a matured family man and a successful entrepreneur and later when he is torn between the two women, the turmoil he undergoes and how he expresses them!

The slim looking youngster starting of with the majestic Madhavi Pon Mayilal steals your heart. The gait, the pose and the silmisham he indulges in during the song all make you start liking the person. The way he climbs up the hill and his confession of the fear (again he proves he is beyond any hero as for as the image factor is concerned. Remember this was in 1967 when image mattered a lot)
The scene where he meets Padmini in the night at Kodai when he expresses his desire to be with her always, you should see his body language. Again Mannikka Vendukiren brings out the best in him. Cut to Madras, he is the son who is little hesitant to stand before his father and speak. He is a person who is loved by his cousin but she is afraid of him. When his father asks him something he replies and it is not audible to his father. "Enna Sonna-e" , NT " naan enna sonnen " endru varthaiyai mendru muzunguvathakattum, when KRV takes care of everything " Shanthi, en melathan unakku evvallu akkarai" atharkku udane KRV " Athu ungalukku theriyutha Athhan" -nu kettavudan dharmasangadamana oru mugabhavam kattuvar, class!

After refusing to marry KRV, later NT would ask her " en mela unakku viruppama"? She would reply" Enakku viruppam than" . Not expecting an answer like this, he would fumble for words, would not face her and try to say something. Seeing his embarrassment, KRV would say " Neega ennoduiya Mama pillai engiradhanale naan ungalai kaadhalikkanum, kalyanam pannikkanum-nu kattayam illaye". On hearing this his face would change and the happiness would return. Again a class act.

Waiting for the letter on the D-day, NT room-kkum balcony-kkumaga nadappar. Postman varuvathai ethirparthu alaipayum ullathai avar velipaduthum vitham abaram. Letter kaiyil kidaithathum mugathil sirippum santhosamum thandavamada avasara avasaramai letter-i kizhithu padikka arambippar. Dialogue-a illammal andha face konjam konjamaga maaruvathai avar velipaduthuvai paarka vendume,wow! Since what is written is not registering in,he will ask KRV " Indha letter! letter! konjam padi". She would start reading loud and now his reaction , Great!

In the second half presiding over the school function, he would ask KRV to speak and when she delivers a neat speech, the astonishment and wonder that you can see on his face would be so natural. The Maharaja song would bring out the child in him. Once he meets Padmini his body language would undergo a complete change. Especially the scene where he goes to Padmini's house along with Roja Ramani where he would literally hurt her with his outpour is a treat to watch. His face would suddenly undergo a change when he realises his daughter had been watching him and how well he hides it and try to look calm.

Same sort of scene when again he confronts Padmini in the hills and this time Asokan interferes. Incensed by the teasing reamark made by Asokan, he loses his cool and slaps him. Again you can watch a range of expressions criss crossing his face.

Finally thinking that he is talking to KRV, he opens out his heart in his bedroom only to realise that he had been talking to Padmini instead and when she leaves informing him to meet her next day, he finds to his dismay that indeed KRV also had listened to their dialogue and again caught in between, the face again speaks.

To make it short, NT is at his best. Padmini carries out her role well but KRV as the all loving cousin initially and dedicated wife later surprises you with her performance without resorting to her customary melodramatic presentation which later came to be associated with her. Nagesh and Manorama provide the comic relief with Asokan making a brief appearance doing well (After Karnan, Asokan did only 3 films with NT. Kandhan Karunai, Iru Malargal and Uyarnndha Manidhan).

ACT (responsible for the story also), his second film with NT had done a good job. Surprisingly he steers clear of customary cliches. When NT agrees to marry KRV, the scene ends with a nadaswara melam and that's it. Same way when Roja Ramani is introduced, at the end of the scene, NT tells her "Thatha-kku Good night sollittu po", Roja Ramani wishes good night to the photo of grand father hanging on the wall with a garland. Same way in the scene before climax, KRV having asked Padmini to wait in the bedroom goes in to fetch the letter. Meanwhile NT comes in and he opens up thinking he is speaking to KRV. When Padmini runs away, NT finds the old letter written by Padmini and a cup of coffee on the table thus by indicating that KRV had overheard all the conversation. Good work ACT ! When talking about him, I always admire his courage to face competition. Knowing well that this is going to be released along with Ooty Varai Uravu, a rollicking entertainer, he went ahead and released and was rewarded with a 100 days run. (Of course ACT again repeated later this act twice when he again released Engirundho Vandhal [though a Balajee film] along with Sorgam and then released Bharatha Vilas just one week ahead of Raja Raja Chozhan and remember he met with success every time). Another scene where he again stuck to what the story demanded was the scene where NT slaps Asokan. Though anybody would have loved to include a fight there, he clearly avoided. (I remember when I watched it as an elementary school kid during it's first release, I was a bit dissapointed that there was no fight in this scene).

Last but not the least the combo of MSV - Vaalee. Amazing stuff. I am not a well versed in music to go into the nuances of the songs but they are all ever green hits. Again the art of Ventriquilosim had been used in 1967 itself in the song Maharaja oru Maharani song before it was used on a larger scale in Avargal 10 years later. Another interesting info about this song is Shoba Neelakantan who later became Shoba Chandrasekar (Yes, mother of Vijay) had sung for Roja Ramani. Ella paadalkalum then kinnathil thoithu eduthavai.

Madhavi Pon Mayilal

Mannikka Vendukiren

Velli Mani Osaiyile

Maharaja oru Maharani

Kaduval thandha Iru Malargal

Annamitta Kaigalukku (See the writing of Saradha about this song in Vaalee's thread)

It was a pleasure watching this movie and writing about it here.

Regards

NOV
6th September 2007, 06:54 AM
:ty: Murali, Dhanusu & Saradha :bow:

murali, excellent write up on IM. watched it the first time as a kid and felt very depressed. have watched it several times since then. sometimes get confused with ooty varai uravu. :)

thamiz
6th September 2007, 07:01 AM
இரு மலர்கள் - "ப்ளாக் அண்ட் வொயிட்" படம்

ஊட்டி வரை உறவு- "கலர்"ப்படம்!

இனிமேல் இப்படி ஞாபகம் வைத்துக்கொள்ளுங்கள்! :D

NOV
6th September 2007, 07:12 AM
:D thamizh

we have a 24 hour movie channel and they also show old movies. watched two: manasulla maruthaaram (balaji is hero! :shock: ) and dharisanam (AVM Rajan Pushpalatha) recently.

at the rate i am watching old movies, it will be a wonder if i remember each one distinctly. murali maadhiri saviour vandhaal thaan undu. :P

saradhaa_sn
6th September 2007, 02:31 PM
Dear Murali Srinivas,

Wonderful narration about the movie 'Iru Malargal'. I have watched this beautiful movie in multiple number of times, but again watched scene by scene today by your writing. What a beautiful write up..!!!!!. Hats off to you. By the way thanks for all Shivaji fans for the change of coming out from the "TEN-FILMS CIRCLE". NT's each and every film has a wonder, even if it s failure movie or a storyless movie or less star value or even NT's guest appearance.


ACT (responsible for the story also), his second film with NT had done a good job. Surprisingly he steers clear of customary cliches. When NT agrees to marry KRV, the scene ends with a nadaswara melam and that's it. Same way when Roja Ramani is introduced, at the end of the scene, NT tells her "Thatha-kku Good night sollittu po", Roja Ramani wishes good night to the photo of grand father hanging on the wall with a garland.

Yes, this is the way of moving the story in short way, by making audience to understand what was happened, and also to reduce the expenses too.

Same like this, in 'Rajapart Rangadurai' T.K.Bagavathy will bring the seperate photos of Sreekanth and Kumari Padmini to close and suddenly will show both of them in one photo with garlanded, which means they got married.

Again in 'Paattum Bharathamum' when Shivaji became aged, the director (P.Madhavan) will just show the photos of Manohar and Sukumari in the wall with garland, to tell us about their demise already.

I hope this trend was created by 'then new wave directors' Sreedhar and KB, whereas directors like KSG were following old trend of showing marriage scenes unnecessarily.

NOV
7th September 2007, 06:53 AM
Watched part of Sivandha Mann last night. :sigh2:
It was a film I wanted to watch for a long time, having heard of beautiful Kanchana and first overseas filming for Tamil films.

First shock was to discover that it was directed by Sridhar. :shock: So I sat back to enjoy the narration. Not long later ridiculousness crept in. :roll:

Portuguese are planting thier roots in Vijayapuri while the princess is frolicking in Switzerland. And in the background what do we see? Motor vehicles of the 20th century! :oops:

Princess Kanchana meets Sivaji, the brilliant student at a restaurant and exchange greetings. The next time he meets her by the road and declares his love :shock: and she accepts :hammer:

It's downhill all the way from thereon, what with switzerland scenes being interspersed with moulin rouge, colloseum etc :roll:

Is this the Sridhar of Kaadhalikka Nerammillai? :evil:
Even Sivaji was not at his usual best while Muthuraman was convincing as the rebel.

I didnt see until the end and neither am I tempted. Enna kodumai sir idhu. :cry:

thamiz
7th September 2007, 07:17 AM
Yeah, Sridhar made a mess I guess. I would blame Sridhar solely for the mess. But, I love the song ஒரு ராஜா ராணியிடம்! :D

joe
7th September 2007, 08:55 AM
I too not much impressed with Sivantha MaN :(

m_23_bayarea
7th September 2007, 09:21 AM
Watched part of Sivandha Mann last night. :sigh2:


I heard it was a BIG-BUDGET, HIGHLY-EXPECTED movie, but flopped at the BO! Personally, I loved that movie, if not for anything, atleast for the grandeur, and for the chemistry bet Sivaji and the pretty Kanchana! :P :P

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8-U-YhLxttM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JhfEd9YxzpM

:P

groucho070
7th September 2007, 12:26 PM
I guess many of us will agree with the story of Sivantha Man, which is not Sridhar's best.

It's okay for cinema (especially Tamil cinema, even now) to be off the realism mark, but Sivandha Man, in wanting to marry nice commercial genre with serious message-ridden political issue, failed to do so.

What I remember about this movie, is not about the nationalism except for Muthuraman's.

NT's performance is made complex when he was to be a lover boy in one scene and then move on to be patriotic. But not his fault, the script is bad. He could have checked the script with Sridhar, but he being a director's actor, must have just let someone as capable as Sridhar to carry the show on.

Plus, you can see how much NT himself liked Muthuraman's role, so much so, that when it was remade in Hindi, NT did that role.

But there are many good points. Very nice cinematography with great colours. Beautiful song (yes, oru Raja Raniyidam is well shot - for it's time) and interesting fight sequences.

If only Sridhar has got rid of the patriotism angle, we would have got ourselves a fun movie.

But it is not entirely bad. Bad script aside, it is a watchable movie. I'd watch it again and again, for NT may have got lost in the madness of the script, but still delivers the good.

Bayarea, I think the movie was not a flop. If not, why would they want to remake it in Hindi? As usual, the masters will be responding to this.

groucho070
7th September 2007, 12:30 PM
Forgot to add this. Sivantha Man evolved from Andru Sinthiya Rattam originally written for MGR. I read a bit about it in Sridhar's autobiography, though I can't quite remember what changes he made. But I suppose the overseas love scenes must have come in last minute when he managed to get the budget and schedule.

joe
7th September 2007, 12:36 PM
Bay,
Sivantha MaN is a 100 days movie,not Flop.

Murali Srinivas
7th September 2007, 12:46 PM
Thanks NOV.

Thanks Saradhaa.

Joe,

Enna, Iru Malargal pathi ondrume ezhuthavilai-ye, en(n)?

NOV,

I think you saw Sivandha Man(n) with pre concieved mind. Though it may not classify as a great epic, definitely it is an enjoyable film which gave importance to entertainement. Don't look for logic. NT with his own hair do and sans make up would have performed spiritedely especially in scenes wher he argues with his father and the other team membes. Of course it goes without saying that MSV did a fabulous job. Just watch it again

Bay,

Yes. It was a Big budget and highly expected movie but it was not a BO failure. Sridhar did the mistake of releasing it directly thro' his Chitralaya Pictures instead of selling it outright to distributors. So the returns were slow to reach him (unlike today when you release 200 -300 prints and rake in the money). Later when he sold it, the distributors had a nice profit. This was one film which fetched Sridhar good price even in repeated sales (Hope you are aware that outright distribution rights are given for 5 years and afterwards the rights has to be re- bought).

Regards

Murali Srinivas
7th September 2007, 12:54 PM
[tscii:c97876a212]Starting today, Hindu would be coming out with a 16 page supplement "Cinema Plus " every Friday. There is a feature titled Blast from the Past and the first one to find mention is Navarathiri. (What better way to start other than "Ganesan").


Blast from the past

Navaratri 1964




Sivaji Ganesan, Savithri, Nagesh, Manorama







nine gems Sivaji Ganesan and Savithri in Navaratri

Navaratri combined the story telling skills of filmmaker A. P. Nagarajan and the performances of all-time greats Sivaji Ganesan and Savithri. It was the 100th film of Ganesan, who began his career as a stage artiste at the age of nine. Beginning with Parasakthi in 1952, the actor completed 100 films in a dozen years! BBC News mentioned Navaratri as one of Sivaji Ganesan’s best films in its tribute to the actor, on his death in 2001.

Even today when you talk of Kamal Hassan’s Dasavatharam (now in the making), in which he’s said to be playing ten roles, you cannot but recall Navaratri. None who knows Tamil cinema can forget the grea t actor playing nine very different roles in the film. Every character essayed a rasa (emotion) and the navarasas were embellished to the optimum in Ganesan’s portrayals. The thespian’s imaginative approach to his roles was remarkable. Even now he’s an inspiration to aspiring actors. But where did he find his inspiration?

Remembered for: At a time when playing even three roles in a film was a wonder, you saw an actor handling nine with élan! And each was so different from the other that you almost forgot it was the same man playing all the parts.




MALATHI RANGARAJAN


Regards

PS: Couldn't cut paste the photo accompanying this write up.[/tscii:c97876a212]

saradhaa_sn
7th September 2007, 06:03 PM
சிவந்த மண் - ஒளிப்பதிவு

ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் என். பாலகிருஷ்ணனின் கைவண்னத்தில் "சிவந்த மண்" படத்தின் ஒவ்வொரு ஃப்ரேமும் கண்ணில் ஒற்றிக்கொள்ளும்படி அமைந்திருக்கும். அதற்கு அருமையான ஆங்கிள்கள் செட் செய்த இயக்குனர் SREEDHAR க்கும் பாராட்டுக்கள். சிவந்த மண் என்றதும் பெரும்பாலோர் வெளிநாட்டில் படமாக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகளையே சொல்வார்கள்.

அந்தப்படத்தின் தோல்விக்கு பெரும் காரணமே "அது வெளிநாட்டில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட படம்" என்ற அளவுக்கு மீறிய, அபரிமிதமான எதிர்பார்ப்புத்தான் என்று சொல்வேன். அப்படி ஒரு பெரிய எதிர்பார்ப்பு இல்லாமல் வந்திருந்தால் அது பெரிய வெற்றியடைந்திருக்கும் என்பது நிச்சயம். இந்தியாவில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகளே அப்படத்தை வெற்றியடைய வைத்திருக்கும்.

(அப்படி அளவுக்கு மீறிய எதிர்பார்ப்பினால் அடிபட்டுப்போன இன்னொரு படம் 'ராஜராஜசோழன்')

உண்மையில் சொல்லப்போனால் வெளிநாட்டுக்காட்சிகளை விட உள்நாட்டில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகளே நம்மை பிரமிக்க வைக்கும். லைட் எஃபெக்டுகள் எல்லாம் அற்புதமாக அமைந்திருக்கும்.

உதாரணத்துக்கு சில:

1) நாகேஷ் - சச்சு நடத்தும் மதுபானக்கடையின் (பார்) அரங்க அமைப்பும், லைட்டிங்கும் ஆங்கிலப்படங்களுக்கு நிகராக அமைந்திருக்கும்.

2) கிளிமாக்ஸ் காட்சியில் ராணுவ ஜீப்கள் அனிவகுத்து வேகமாகப் பறந்து செல்லும் காட்சியமைப்பில் ஒளிப்பதிவு சூப்பர்.

3) நீங்கள் குறிப்பிட்ட எலிகாப்டர் காட்சியிலும், ஒளிப்பதிவாளரின் பங்கு அருமை. இயக்குனரும் கூட. குறிப்பாக, புரட்சிக்காரர்கள் ஓடி வந்து திடீரென்று தரையில் படுத்துக்கொள்ள அவர்களை ஒட்டியே குண்டுகள் வந்து விழும்போது, நம் ரத்தம் உறைந்து போகும். அதுபோல சிவாஜி ஓடிவந்து பள்ளத்தில் குதிக்க, அவர் தலையை உரசுவது செல்லும் எலிகாப்டர். இவற்றில் டைமிங் அருமையாக கையாலப்பட்டிருக்கும்.

4) கப்பலில் வெடிகுண்டு வைக்க புரட்சிக்காரர்கள் செல்லும்போது, கையாளப்பட்டிருக்கும் நைட் எஃபெக்ட் லைட்டிங்கும், கயிறு வழியாக சிவாஜி ஏறுவதை, கப்பலின் மேலிருந்து காட்டும் சூப்பர் ஆங்கிளும். அதே நேரம், கப்பலின் உள்ளே நடக்கும் ராதிகாவின் நடனமும், அதற்கு மெல்லிசை மாமன்னரின் இசை வெள்ளமும்.

5) ரயில் பாலத்துக்கு வெடிகுண்டு வைக்க சிவாஜி போவதை, கீழேயிருந்து படம் பிடித்திருக்கும் அற்புதக்கோணம், அப்போது சிவாஜியின் கால் சற்று சறுக்கும்போது நம் இதயமே சிலிர்க்கும்.

6) ஒளிந்து வாழும் சிவாஜி, தன் அம்மாவைப்பார்க்க இரவில் வரும்போது, மாளிகையைச்சுற்றி அமைக்கப்பட்டிகும் நைட் எஃபெக்ட் லைட்டிங்.

7) நம்பியாரால் கைது செய்யப்பட்டு, சிறைக்கு அனுப்பப்பட்ட சிவாஜி, ஜெயில் அதிகாரியை பிணையாக வைத்துக்கொண்டு, அத்தனை துப்பாக்கிகளையும் தன் வசப்படுத்தியதோடு, தன் கைவிலங்கை துப்பாக்கி குண்டால் உடைத்துக்கொண்டு தப்பிக்கும் காட்சி.

8) வாகினி ஸ்டுடியோவில் அமைக்கப்பட்ட, சுழன்று சுழன்று தண்ணீர் ஓடும் ஆறு. அதை இரவு வேளையில் காண்பிக்கும் அழகு.

9) அரண்மனை முன்னால் போராட்டம் நடத்த வந்த கூட்டத்தினரை, துப்பாக்கி ஏந்திய குதிரை வீரர்கள் விரட்டியடிக்க மக்கள் சிதறி ஓடும் காட்சி.

NOV
7th September 2007, 08:50 PM
thanks mural, there are many sivaji films that i dislike intensely (mostly from 80s) and won't want to remember him from those excuse for films.

let me redeem by watching some good 60s fare over this wknd. :D

Murali Srinivas
7th September 2007, 09:33 PM
NOV,

I understand. But Sivandha Man(n) was in 1969 (Was just kidding)

Saradhaa,

Erkanave padam paarka vendum endru ninaithirukiren. Andha Aavalai adhiga paduthivittergal.

Regards

m_23_bayarea
7th September 2007, 10:07 PM
Thanks guys! Happy to hear that SIVANTHA MANN was in fact a hit at the BO... :D

P_R
9th September 2007, 02:56 AM
Dear Mr.Murali,

Thanks for the posts about KPM. Sounds definitely like a film I should check-out.

Lovely post on Iru MalargaL. Your analysis of his performances is :notworthy: I am unable to appreciate it as well because I vaguely remember the film. When I catch it again I shall revisit this post.

Joe, can you please create a link for Iru malargaL in the first page ?
(there have been a bunch of well written observations about specific movies by our Hub-friends in the last few pages like NiRaikudam,KPB etc. You can also consider creating links for them too.

Roshan
9th September 2007, 12:48 PM
Yeah, Sridhar made a mess I guess. I would blame Sridhar solely for the mess. But, I love the song ஒரு ராஜா ராணியிடம்! :D

Thamiz, antha pAttula ungaLukku pidicha line ennAnnu enakku theriyumE :wink: 8-)

PS: Oru Raja Raniyidam is a very nice song :)

joe
10th September 2007, 01:31 PM
முந்தைய விவாதங்கள்

நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி -பாகம் -1 (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி -பாகம் -2 (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&start=0)

முக்கிய பக்கங்களின் இணைப்புகள்**********************************

1.நடிகர் திலகம் - சிறப்பு இணையத்தளம் (http://nadigarthilagam.com/nadigarthilagam/)

திரைப்பட விமரிசனங்கள் / பார்வைகள்
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1.அம்பிகாபதி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

2.என்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

3.ராஜா -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=330)

4.பொன்னூஞ்சல் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -groucho070 (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360)

5.சவாலே சமாளி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=375)

6.அன்பைத் தேடி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=390)

7.எங்க மாமா,மூன்று தெய்வங்கள் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை --சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=405)

8.புதிய பறவை-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=510)

9.அந்த நாள்-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=540)

10.அந்த நாள்-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=555)

11.கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன் - groucho070 (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165)

<a href="http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105">
12.பிராப்தம்,மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்,தர்மம் எங்கே,ராஜராஜசோழன்,சிவகாமியின் செல்வன்,வாணிராணி -ஒரு பார்வை - முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் </a>

13.தங்கச்சுரங்கம் - - சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=615)

14. ஊட்டி வரை உறவு - - rajeshkrv (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735)

15. ஆட்டுவித்தால் யாரொருவர் - அவன் தான் மனிதன் - - சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735)

16. பாசமலர் - - பாலாஜி (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60)

17. நிறைகுடம் - - முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=435)

18. நிறைகுடம் ,கல்யாணம் பண்ணியும் பிரம்மச்சாரி - - groucho070,முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=465&sid=07ea5b3bb6217cbab41833632380ec08)

19. இரு மலர்கள் - - முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=510&sid=29230a62a9c90103d6cd99c682ccf712)

மற்றவை
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1.உலக அளவில் விருதுகள்! -விகடன் கட்டுரை (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)

2.நடிகர் திலகத்தின் வெற்றி பரணி (1971-1975) -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45)

3.நடிகர் திலகத்தின் திரைப்படங்களின் முழுப் பட்டியல் - நக்கீரன் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120)

4.நாட்டிய மேதையும் நடிகர் திலகமும்!-விகடன் கட்டுரை (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180)

5.நடிகர் திலகம் பிறந்தநாள் விழா நிகழ்ச்சி தொகுப்பு ,நடிகர் திலகம் சினிமாவும் அரசியல் பயணமும் (1980) -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=270)


6.சிவாஜியும் அப்துல் ஹமீதும் (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&sid=ea38c4b51df68c5c31f82a4323dfc67e)

7.நமது கலை மரபின் சிறந்த பிரதிநிதி -எழுத்தாளர் ஞானி (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90)


8.இமயம் -சிபி இணையத்தளம் (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=270)

9.நடிகர் திலகம் நினைவுநாள் விழா நிகழ்ச்சி தொகுப்பு -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=10065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=330)

groucho070
10th September 2007, 02:03 PM
Wonderful update of indexing, Joe. Makes it easier for me to check on things. If only Murali-sars' Political Inning posts can be compiled.....I need to update my collection of those posts, it stopped somewhere in mid-70s.

joe
10th September 2007, 02:41 PM
Groucho,
I will make compilation of Murali Sir's NT Political innings ,when I have time.

groucho070
10th September 2007, 03:01 PM
Groucho,
I will make compilation of Murali Sir's NT Political innings ,when I have time.

Sometimes I dream of both of us editing the posts, interview Murali-sar further and compile them into a book. A must keep for all NT fans. I still dream...

joe
10th September 2007, 03:02 PM
Groucho,
I will make compilation of Murali Sir's NT Political innings ,when I have time.

Sometimes I dream of both of us editing the posts, interview Murali-sar further and compile them into a book. A must keep for all NT fans. I still dream...

கனவு நனவாகும் ஒரு நாள் .காத்திருப்போம் சகோதரா :)

selvakumar
10th September 2007, 03:18 PM
Groucho,
I will make compilation of Murali Sir's NT Political innings ,when I have time.

Sometimes I dream of both of us editing the posts, interview Murali-sar further and compile them into a book. A must keep for all NT fans. I still dream...

Great idea ! :clap: :wink:
would be better if it has Murali sir, Saradhaa and many other NT fans view as well esp groucho :wink:

groucho070
10th September 2007, 03:32 PM
Groucho,
I will make compilation of Murali Sir's NT Political innings ,when I have time.

Sometimes I dream of both of us editing the posts, interview Murali-sar further and compile them into a book. A must keep for all NT fans. I still dream...

Great idea ! :clap: :wink:
would be better if it has Murali sir, Saradhaa and many other NT fans view as well esp groucho :wink:

It'll be strictly NT, his films and politics. It will be by Murali-sar overall, with additional comments by hubbers (Saradha mdm and many others).

There are many books like that in Hollywood. Like the ones I have, The Politics of James Bond, Woody Allen: Love, Sex and The Meaning of Life, etc.

It will be entire collection of Murali-sar's NT political series, with more words from him (it's a book, so we can be more open), and additional comments from us (not me, I can analyse, but my knowlede of NT and the history of his era his hazy, unlike Joe).

There are many books of MGR and his political life, but that is because he is a political giant. There are none on NT, though his contribution is somewhat not comparable to MGR. So, it'd be nice the background to his political life then, and that background is, of course, his film life. You saw Murali-sar's writing and you know what I mean. He wrote it to this hub, we gotta angle it to a more general audience.

joe
10th September 2007, 03:38 PM
MuraLi Sir,
There is a book named 'Sivaji - Nadigar muthal Thilagam varai' -written by TheenathayaL (who also written a book on life of silk smitha) ,published by kizhakku Pathippagam ..You may want to read this :)

http://www.kamadenu.com/cgi-bin/store_view.cgi?catid=bio&itemid=42

Murali Srinivas
10th September 2007, 08:20 PM
Joe, Groucho and Selva,

Thank you so much for your kind comments. Will definitely try to raise up to your expectations. Hope we are able to do something for our NT.

Regards

Roshan
11th September 2007, 01:19 AM
Joe, Groucho and Selva,

Thank you so much for your kind comments. Will definitely try to raise up to your expectations. Hope we are able to do something for our NT.

Regards

All the very best to all NT fan hubbers :thumbsup: May your dream come true :) :D

thamiz
11th September 2007, 01:32 AM
Yeah, Sridhar made a mess I guess. I would blame Sridhar solely for the mess. But, I love the song ஒரு ராஜா ராணியிடம்! :D

Thamiz, antha pAttula ungaLukku pidicha line ennAnnu enakku theriyumE :wink: 8-)

PS: Oru Raja Raniyidam is a very nice song :)

I know, you know that, Roshan! :D

I could even impress "TN", mentioning those lines! :lol:

ragasuda
11th September 2007, 07:26 AM
Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan - He is not only a gem of an actor but in politics too. If only people had been able to know his active role in politics in right perspective they would not even thought of any other politician. Unfortunately he did not have the media backing which might have been the main reason. Mr. Murali Sir knows what I am meaning. Please read my earlier lengthy posting regarding his leadership of the party TMM. It is only a sample. Yes, oru paanai soaru. Every one of us had missed a great leader in him. I have lots and lots of tales to tell. Every one of you will feel how we lost a great leader in NT.
V. Raghavendran

Roshan
11th September 2007, 01:15 PM
Yeah, Sridhar made a mess I guess. I would blame Sridhar solely for the mess. But, I love the song ஒரு ராஜா ராணியிடம்! :D

Thamiz, antha pAttula ungaLukku pidicha line ennAnnu enakku theriyumE :wink: 8-)

PS: Oru Raja Raniyidam is a very nice song :)

I know, you know that, Roshan! :D

I could even impress "TN", mentioning those lines! :lol:

:wink: :lol: I remember :)

mr_karthik
11th September 2007, 02:50 PM
Groucho,
I will make compilation of Murali Sir's NT Political innings ,when I have time.

Sometimes I dream of both of us editing the posts, interview Murali-sar further and compile them into a book. A must keep for all NT fans. I still dream...

Great idea ! :clap: :wink:
would be better if it has Murali sir, Saradhaa and many other NT fans view as well esp groucho :wink:

It'll be strictly NT, his films and politics. It will be by Murali-sar overall, with additional comments by hubbers (Saradha mdm and many others).


நிச்சயமாக அப்படி ஒரு புத்தகம் நம்மிடையே வேண்டும்.

அருமையான யோசனை Groucho..

abkhlabhi
11th September 2007, 05:06 PM
forgotten to menton about the famous song by LRE in SM. (Pattathu Rani) During her RECENT interview in Telugu DD Sapthapati Channel, She sung this song and praised MSV and she said this is her favourite song apart from Amman songs. An beautiful song sung by LR and great music by MSV - clear words no overlapping music.

mr_karthik
11th September 2007, 05:49 PM
forgotten to menton about the famous song by LRE in SM. (Pattathu Rani) During her RECENT interview in Telugu DD Sapthapati Channel, She sung this song and praised MSV and she said this is her favourite song apart from Amman songs. An beautiful song sung by LR and great music by MSV - clear words no overlapping music.

சிவந்த மண் பாடல்கள் வெளியான பின்னர் 'பட்டத்து ராணி' பாடலைக்கேட்டு விட்டு பிரபல பாடகி ஒருவர் எல்.ஆர்.ஈஸ்வரிக்கு ஃபோன் செய்து பாராட்டினார்.

அவர் வேறு யாருமல்ல... லதா மங்கேஷ்கர் தான்.

joe
12th September 2007, 09:40 AM
உயர்ந்த மனிதன் சிவாஜி
http://www.lakshmansruthi.com/cineprofiles/sivaji.asp

Murali Srinivas
12th September 2007, 07:00 PM
Dear Joe,

I am trying to locate Kizakku Padhipagam I think it is in Alwarpet to buy that book " Sivaji - Nadigar mudhal Thilagam varai ".


Dear Karthik,

Regarding Pattathu Rani, there is one more thing. The Tamil song was recorded first and Hindi song later. (Groucho, this was a bi-lingual production with shooting take place simultaneously. Rajendra Kumar & Waheeda Rahman played the lead roles). Asha on hearing Pattathu Rani was so impressed that she refused to sing the Hindi version saying that she cannot do justice to the song. Later she was persuaded to sing the same. But for me it was PS's rendering of "Sollavo- Sugamano Kadhai Sollavo" that takes the cake. A fast dance number so LRE-ish, MSV put PS for the same and PS came out with flying colours.

One more thing about Sivandha Man(n) is in the above mentioned song, there will be a long prelude before the start of the song which was cut short later in the records. Also when it was first released in 1969, I had seen it 3, 4 times and there would be a speech by NT to a gathering after the climax fight (after MNN getting killed in the air baloon basket) and this would end with NT saying Jaihind. But in later releases, this scene was not there. The film would end after NT piercing the baloon with the knife and when the basket reaches the ground, the film would end. I always wondered why they cut that portion later. Raghavendran Sir, hope you remember what I am talking about. Don't know whether it is there in VCD/DVD. Some one can clarify.

Regards

mr_karthik
12th September 2007, 08:44 PM
Murali Sir,

You are correct about the climax. I also watched in theatre that NT will give a speech in front of a mike, with dialogues some thing like

"inimel vasandhapuri samasthaanam thaniyaaga irukkaathu. indru muthal Indhiya naattudan inaindhu vittathu. ini Indhiyaavin permaiyai uyarththuvathe namathu latchiyam. Jaihind"

But I get shocked when that scene is missing in video cassettes and inCDs.

Same like 'Sollavo sugamaana kadhai sollavo" I like another wonderful duet "Oru naalile... uravaanathe...". What a melody of MSV.

joe
12th September 2007, 09:58 PM
Murali Sir,

For kizhakku pathippakam..

New Horizon Media Private Limited
33/15 Eldams Road
Alwarpet
Chennai 600 018
India

Ph: +91-44-4200 9601/03/04

NOV
13th September 2007, 08:45 AM
Vidivelli

Watched this film a couple of days ago, again thanks to astro vellithirai. :bow:
Had not heard much about this film, so when I started watching it I learnt a few surprising things!

It is directed by Sridhar!
Music is by AM Rajah!
AM Rajah sings for Sivaji!
Ranga Rao is the villain!

The film begins with suspense in the still of the night. A burglar is moving in a room! The sleeping lady wakes up and the burglar reaches for her necklace just as she screams in terror, not missing the scar in his hand!

The plot is built around eight characters: Chandru (Sivaji), his mother, his sister Seetha (MN Rajam) and her husband Ravi (Balaji).
Chandru leaves Tiruchy for a job in Chennai where he meets the boss of Chitra Medicals (Ranga Rao), his daughter Chitra (Saroja Devi), the driver Babu and Babu's love, steno Rosie.

Seetha is getting married to Ravi and at the last moment his family insists on a necklace. Chandru borrows the necklace from a friend and the wedding is held without problems.

pannOdu pirandhadhu thaalam, kula pennOdu pirandhadhu naanam is sung by the love struck couple with playback by AMR and Jikki.

Immediately Chandru lands a job in Chennai. Boss' daughter strikes a feeling for Chandru which leads to ennaalum vaazhvilE kannaana kaadhalE by PS.

In the meantime Babu and Rosie's love blosoms. Chandru & Babu shift to a house next to Rosie's house and Chandru's mother arrives. Both she and Chitra get along very well and this leads to the first love duet for Chandru - idai kai irandil by AMR & Jikki. I dont remember any songs sung by AMR for Sivaji!

Rangarao loses money in a business deal, but because of Chandru's wisdom who had insured the transaction, Ragarao escapes with minimal financial implications. As a reward, Chandru gets a bonus of Rs3,000. He buys a necklace with the money and intends to exchange it with the one borrowed earlier.

In the meatime the four lovers (Chandru-Chitra & Babu-Rosie) go on a picnic, with the most popular song of the film, koduththu paar paar paar unmai anbai.

Chandru goes back to Trichy and a shock awaits him. While going for a function, Seetha's necklace falls and a photo of a man is inside the necklace! Ravi now suspects Seetha of having an affair.
Chandru is asked to proof that the necklace belongs to his friend and then he admits there is no such friend in the first place. Ravi chases out a pregnant Seetha out of his house and the film gets depressing from then on.

To relief the heavy hearteness, two songs follow... car'u savaari jOru for the comic pair and another fast jikki song, ninaiththaal inikkum subadhinam, during Rosie's birthday.

Chandru surrenders himself at the police station as a thief and the matter is reported to the rightful owner of the necklace, which with no surprise is Chitra. :D

Branded a thief, Chandru is dismissed from his job. However, all is not lost as now Chandru can proof to Ravi that his sister had nothing to do with the man in the necklace. Ravi is brought to the house and Chitra claims that the man is her dead brother. However, Rangarao arrives at the scene and dismisses it as untrue! A dejected Ravi returns to Trichy.

In the meantime Rangarao arranges for the marriage of Seetha to some other man, leading to the sad version of ennaalum vaazhvilE kannaana kaadhalE again by PS.

Now branded as a thief, Chandru once again dons the role and enters Chitra's house to steal photograpghs of her brother!
The wedding begins in full scale. Chitra threatens to kill herself. Rangarao locks her in. Chandru and party arrive. Rangarao is shown the photos. Now he has to admit that he indeed had a son. A fight ensues. Kuthuvilakku gets upturned. House starts burning. Chitra is in a locked room unable to escape. What happens next? Does she escape? Do the love couple get married? What about Ravi and Seetha? :D

NOV
13th September 2007, 08:50 AM
Sivaji's acting was very subdued in Vidivelli, much to my disappointment. I think his acting skills rose only during the 60s. Yesterday, I watched bits of Arunodhayam and it was a different Sivaji - very much the nadigar thilagam we admire so much. :thumbsup:

Murali Srinivas
13th September 2007, 03:12 PM
Dear NOV,

Good! I mentally revisited Vidi Velli. Regarding AM Raja singing for NT, he did one song even in Vananga Mudi and the song was telecast in Jaya TV's Then Kinaam recently. (Song starting line, I am not getting it now).

I think to say that his acting skills grew sharper only in 1960s will be a too generalised statement and technically speaking Vidi Velli was in the 60s. It was the last movie in the calender year 1960.
The post 1975-80 generation would find this more suitable to their taste.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
13th September 2007, 03:36 PM
Dear Joe,

Thanks for the address and phone no of Kizhakku Padhipagam.

Regards

mr_karthik
13th September 2007, 06:14 PM
pannOdu pirandhadhu thaalam, kula pennOdu pirandhadhu naanam is sung by the love struck couple with playback by AMR and Jikki.


This song sung by P.B.Sreenivas & Jikki (not by A.M.Raja)


In the meantime Babu and Rosie's love blosoms. Chandru & Babu shift to a house next to Rosie's house and Chandru's mother arrives. Both she and Chitra get along very well and this leads to the first love duet for Chandru - idai kai irandil by AMR & Jikki.

This song was sung by A.M.Raja & P.Suseela ( not by Jikki)


I dont remember any songs sung by AMR for Sivaji!


A.M.raja sung many songs for Shivaji, including.....

'thEn unnum vandu maamalarai kandu' (Aamaradeepam)

'uLLangal ondraagi thuLLum pOthilE' (Punar Janmam)

karthik_sa2
13th September 2007, 06:37 PM
[tscii]If you get a chance to watch the funny episode in the four-decade old film, "Arivali" that had Sivaji Ganesan and Bhanumati in the lead, don't fail to note the latter's reactions to her hero's pranks. The film was a take-off on Shakespeare's "Taming of the Shrew", with all the desi masala of the day. The arrogant wife had to be put in place and the hero nags her, only to reform her. How angry should she be? Yet in that scene, Bhanumati, a talented actress herself, can be seen suppressing her laughter and desperately trying to get her reactions right. Such was the effect of Sivaji Ganesan's comic portrayal and his rendition of the "Santhamulekha ... " song.

Today when you watch Vivek's spoof on the veteran's portrayal (in "Mudhal Mariyadhai") in the recently released "Parthiban Kanavu", you can only recollect with awe the potential of this multi-faceted actor whose face could portray an entire gamut of emotions with ease. Comedians can imitate him and stop at being just that - imitations. But here was an actor who could perform any role with élan, comedy included. So you have a whole body of films in Ganesan's repertoire, which are excellent examples of the thespian's comedy skills.

From "Kalyanam Panniyum Brahmachari" to "Arivali" and further down to "Galatta Kalyanam", "Sumathi En Sundari", "Ooty Varai Uravu" and ever so many films, Sivaji did many light roles. And each of his humorous characters has a different hue - only Ganesan could do it! In serious films also, the comic touches in the lighter sequences came to him ever so naturally. The roles of a Therukoothu dancer and that of a naïve villager in "Navarathri", and the spoilt, fun-loving son of a rich man in "Deiva Magan are just a few of them.

There are these four sisters and our hero flips for one of them. The girl's father lays just one condition - the lover has to find grooms for the other three and the four weddings have to take place at the same time. The experiences unfold in a vein that has you in splits. The hero is Ganesan and the heroine, Jayalalitha. "I am like a captain and all of you have to obey me," he tells the other husbands-to-be. The tone and ex-pression would make even the most serious viewer break into a smile. His encounters with a thief, a woman who claims to be his wife, a baby and a stage actress are a few of the most hilarious sequences in the film. Together with Nagesh, Sivaji Ganesan made watching "Galatta Kalyanam" a memorable experience.

Those were the days when comedy was always a clean and healthy affair. And whenever he got a chance, Ganesan contributed his bit to Tamil cinema's wholesome light-hearted fare. Anyone with a sense of humour would vouch for the fact that timing in dialogue delivery is a prerequisite in comedy and by and large, our comedians have excelled in such spontaneity. But that a serious actor like Sivaji Ganesan could be equally at ease in comedy, is remarkable. "Ooty Varai Uravu", the laugh riot from Sridhar and `Chitralaya' Gopu had dialogue that you could recollect over and over again and laugh aloud every time. It had several funny scenes in which Ganesan with Balaiah, Nagesh, V. K. Ramasamy and Muthuraman revealed admirable timing sense. Sadly, these artistes are no more but their "Ooty Varai Uravu" would continue to rev up sagging spirits. And if the actor had to resort to apt body language to add to the fun, he was game for it. That's why "Sabhash Meena", one of his earliest comedy ventures, with Chandrababu to add to the melee and "Balae Pandiya" with M. R. Radha are rib ticklers even today. Ganesan's potential in this arena of ex-pression, comes to the fore again in "Bharatha Vilas".

Comedy is serious business. Making people laugh is definitely no joke. And Sivaji Ganesan understood it as much as the greatest comedians. That's why his attempts at levity continue to live. To this moment actor Sivaji Ganesan remains ubiquitous, thanks to television. Not a day passes without one channel or the other airing his film or at least clippings from his films.

Murali Srinivas
13th September 2007, 07:15 PM
Dear Karthik_sa2,

Great write up on NT and his portrayals which brought out the comedian in him. Expecting more such write ups from you

Regards

kalnayak
14th September 2007, 12:05 AM
NT's statue is ready for installation at Madurai.

http://www.hindu.com/2007/09/13/stories/2007091350960300.htm

Murali Sir unga ooru(!!!) Enga vaipaangaalam - Idatha sollunga?

R.Saravanan
14th September 2007, 12:41 AM
[quote="Murali Srinivas"]Dear Joe,

I am trying to locate Kizakku Padhipagam I think it is in Alwarpet to buy that book " Sivaji - Nadigar mudhal Thilagam varai ".


Dear Murali Sir

If your in Chennai, you can get this book in Higginbothams or at any big book stalls in Chennai.
When I was in Chennai around One year back, I had seen this book in many books stores.


Best Regards
Saravanan

R.Saravanan
14th September 2007, 02:46 AM
Dear Hubbers and NT fans.

Sivaji Ganesan was a great Superstar for South India and popular in South India.
Please can anybody provide information about Nadigar thilagam's popularity in Hindi Films.
How was he popular with National level and Hindi Audiences. Some of his films were dubbed in Hindi.

I recollect some data from my memory

1. Parashakti was dubbed in Hindi.

2. Manohara was dubbed in Hindi and went on well for 100 days

3. Sivaji Ganesan has a desire to act in Hindi movies and get familar among National Level. This he expresses in his biography. (Any actor will have this desire)

4. But he stayed away from Hindi due to language. NT has the opinion that the actor should master the language which would give good expressions and dialogue delivery. May his love to Tamil could have stopped this.

5. From his interviews and writings , I come to the following understanding 'NT had a desire to act in some movies in Hindi and get popularized in National level and then come back to Tamil movies. His core concentration is Tamil movies. So in his career he has acted very less other language movies.
He has no regrets on this that he has not acted much in other languages
Is this understanding correct?

5. Many Hindi actors have had high respect for NT.

6. Ashok Kumar, Dilip Kumar, Sanjeev Kumar, Prithivi Rajkapoor were great fans of NT.
Sanjeev Kumar had a very close friendship with NT. In Devar Magan function Sanjeev Kumar attended the function.

7. In 1990's in many Film Functions Shivaji Ganesan was invited for giving awards. I used to watch this in DD National channel

8. Amitabh Bachhan has a high respect for Sivaji Ganesan and gives high praise in interviews

9. After France gave the Chevvalie Award, Indian film industrty woke up from the Sleep and then they gave the Dada Saheb Phaleke Award. After that they started invite him for many film festivals and functions.

10. Whenever the best films of Sivaji Ganesan were screened to the stars of Hindi field,
for re-making those films into Hindi, the stars have uniformly confessed thier comparative incompetence, by requesting people concerned, not to compare them (the Hindi stars) with the greatest genius of acting called Sivaji Ganesan....! Such instances have taken place there, countless number of times!
11. Director K.S.Gopalakrishnan said: "Whenever I mentioned Sivaji Ganesan's name, while
speaking with Hindi film artistes, the immediate reaction I noticed in them was this: They would instantly hold their ears with their hands, as if some miscomparison had been made, and would subsequently say, 'No, no, it's wrong to compare us with such a towering personality, Sivaji Ganesan....'".

Regards
Saravanan

Dear Saravanan,

There is a factual error in point no. 6 of your post. Sanjeev Kumar passed away sometime in late eighties and certainly he could not have attended "Devar Magan" celebrations!!

I had the opportunity to watch the hindi remake of "Navarathiri" i.e. "Nayi din Nayi raath" starring Sanjeev Kumay. The acting of the two-time Bharath award winner was just nothing as compared to NT.

I also had the opportunity of watching "Khilona" later remade in Tamil as "Engirundho Vandhal". In that movie, to be fair, SK's acting was comparable to that of NT.

Dear Dhansu
You are correct. It could have been Dilip Kumar or some other Hindi Artist.
My Statement was based on Comedy Actor Vadivelu's interview on Devar Magan in Sun TV. He said 'I am very grateful to Kamal sir for giving a role in Devar Magan. I am very delighted to act with with two great stars Sivaji Sir and Kamal Sir. In Devar Magan's function in the stage when I was passing Sivaji Sir, He was saying to Sanjeev Kumar (may be Dilp Kumar) 'He is Vadivelu. A great character artist'.
What a great actor Sivaji and i am very gifted to get this kind of appreciation from him. Vadivelu was in tears while saying this.

Best Regards
Saravanan

NOV
14th September 2007, 06:48 AM
A.M.raja sung many songs for Shivaji, including.....
'thEn unnum vandu maamalarai kandu' (Aamaradeepam)
'uLLangal ondraagi thuLLum pOthilE' (Punar Janmam) :oops:
:bow:

groucho070
14th September 2007, 09:10 AM
Nov, did you watch Raja yesterday in Vellitirai? No matter how many times you watch the movie, it rocks. I especially loved the fight between NT and the wrestler guy (Murali-sar mentioned his name somewhere, Tara Singh's brother, I think), where, though stunt double was used, NT did more physical stuff than usual. It was a fight in living room alone, and not ending up in market or beach, and it looked good.


Here is an interesting notion that occurred to me. We all know that most Balaji films have Raja as hero's name (and Radha for heroine). Now, this film is titled, plainly, Raja. And hero's name is not Raja. Ithu eppadi irukku!

NOV
14th September 2007, 10:37 AM
:shock:

i saw the title and thot it was the ajith film. :roll:
never imagined that they would show an old film at prime time. :evil:

groucho070
14th September 2007, 11:03 AM
:shock:

i saw the title and thot it was the ajith film. :roll:
never imagined that they would show an old film at prime time. :evil:

I thought so too, then I checked the info. This is one of the films which can be updated and remade today. Because the main role is an action figure, so you don't have to act your heart out. Easy for current actors.

mr_karthik
14th September 2007, 01:57 PM
Nov, did you watch Raja yesterday in Vellitirai? No matter how many times you watch the movie, it rocks. I especially loved the fight between NT and the wrestler guy (Murali-sar mentioned his name somewhere, Tara Singh's brother, I think), where, though stunt double was used, NT did more physical stuff than usual. It was a fight in living room alone, and not ending up in market or beach, and it looked good.


The wrestler name, who acted in Kumar role (pair to Padhma Khanna) is 'Randhawa' (you can verify "Raja" thiraipada paarvai, by Saradha, in front page)

In Raja, I also like the stunt scene of NT with K.Kannan (Jambu), in the forest Banglow.


Here is an interesting notion that occurred to me. We all know that most Balaji films have Raja as hero's name (and Radha for heroine). Now, this film is titled, plainly, Raja. And hero's name is not Raja. Ithu eppadi irukku!

Eventhough NT's charector name is not Raja, but he is acting in the name as Raja in Rengarao's smuggler group.

I think this is the first NT film with multi villains. (Renga Rao, Balaji, K.Kannan, Randhawa and R.S.Manohar)

Murali Srinivas
14th September 2007, 05:22 PM
NT's statue is ready for installation at Madurai.

http://www.hindu.com/2007/09/13/stories/2007091350960300.htm

Murali Sir unga ooru(!!!) Enga vaipaangaalam - Idatha sollunga?

Dear Kalnayak,

One of my friends had told me that it will be near the court which is in KK nagar. If you Know Madurai, this comes near out post after Tallakulam to the north of Vaigai. Any change of place, I am not aware. will update this column, once I get the news.

Actually this was ready even before the Chennai statue happened. But the Family requested VNC to wait because this (an initiative by a private person) should not jeopardise the Govt effort, as the same had been challenged in the court of law.

But a bust size statue was unveiled in Madurai much earlier. In fact it was unveiled in 2002, July 21st itself. Ramkumar attended the same. It is near Madura Coats Mills, underneath the over bridge passing thro' that Road. NT has a special place in the heart of Maduraites.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
14th September 2007, 05:50 PM
Thanks Saravanan. I will check out.

Groucho,

As pointed out by Karthik, Raja happened to be the "name" choosen for this mission as per the story line. The Hindi original had the name Johnny Mera Naam and in Tamil it was simplified as Raja. Only after this movie, Balajee got infected with Raja sentiment and the heroine's name became Radha.

But Balajee faced a piquant situation during Vidudhalai. As per his sentiment Hero's name should be Raja. If Rajini is christened as Raja, what name will he give to NT, the person who made Balajee's banner Sujatha Cine Arts a house hold name in Tamilnadu and his closest friend? He found an answer. NT was named RajaSingam, which suited NT to the T.

Regards

mr_karthik
15th September 2007, 02:55 PM
Yes Murali sir,

in 'Qurbani' Amjadh Khan's charector name also Amjadh Khan. At the first scene he introduced with the dialogue "Khan... Amjadh Khan".

In the same way Shivaji's introduction dialogue also "Singam... Raja singam".

But in 'Bandham' movie Balaji gave the name Raja to Anand Babu, who will die within limited scene, but Shivaji's charector name was Abraham.

Murali Srinivas
15th September 2007, 06:29 PM
NENJIRUKKUM VARAI

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What shall I say about this movie? A Classic in Black and White, perhaps the best of NT - Sridhar combo,IMO. Again as it happened to so many such classics of NT, this is a film that never got the recogonition due to it either commercially or in the form of critical acclaim. A novel attempt by Sridhar and kudos to NT for doing such a deglamourised role at the peak of his career.

Set in a area where the economically downtrodden and daily wage earners are put up in Madras, the story revolves around 2 friends and the house owner's family. NT and V.Goplakrishnan are unemployed people doing bits and pieces jobs to make both ends meet. They stay in a portion of a house where the other portion is occupied by the owner V.S.Raghavan and his daughter KRVijaya.

Because they don't have a permanent job, their rent is always under arrears (5 Rs per month -1967) and VSR is always after them. KRV has a soft corner for them and tries to help them. Though very rough and tough outwardly, VSR also has a soft corner and asks KRV to provide them food, whenever it is possible.

VG suffers from a heart ailment and Dr.advises him not to do any hard working job which would tax his heart. He is a person who longs for food and NT always tries to provide him with that.

NT is in love with KRV but he is unable to spell it out due to the fact that he is jobless and is not sure of what KRV thinks of him. Meanwhile, while looking for a job at Central station, he meets Muthuraman who had come from Bangalore who has lost his bag and his purse. Impressed by his honesty, NT takes him to their home and VSR who initially refuses to allow him later relents. MR is basically a rich person who had lost his parents while he was very young and his uncle had usurped his property. A case is going on, he informs them. The very arrival of MR strikes a cupid's arrow in KRV. After a while they both express their feelings to each other.

NT is trying for a permanent job but since he is unable to pay a deposit of Rs 100/- (!), it eludes him. MR informs about his love to NT which is a shock to him. He slaps MR only to find later that KRV also reciprocates the same. He hides his dissapointment and promises them that he will arrange for the wedding once MR's case is over. VG one night finds MR and KRV at the garden and he knowing NT's love for KRV tries to react but NT stops him. MR receives a telegram that his case is in the final stage and he is sure of winning.He leaves for Bangalore promising KRV that he will come back and marry her.He wins the case and his big property comes back to him. He puts up his own office and he appoints a manager (Maali) for the same.

NT one night finds VG with a lot of money and he shouts at him for hiding something from him and refuses to talk to him. Impressed by NT, the supervisor of that lorry parcel company (again so natural) recommends him to the boss without deposit and NT rushes home with food packets (VG so fond of food) to celebrate the same and waits for him only to find VG being carried home by some people in a serious condition. It transpires that VG indeed had been working and saving the wages for NT's deposit. But the heart ailment snatches his life. Dissaster again strikes them when VSR falls ill and in spite of medical attention dies, asking NT to take care of KRV.

MR after setting right his business rushes to Madras but he is shocked when he sees a wall writing near the house which talks about the "Live- In" of NT and KRV without marriage. When a resident of that area also says the same about them, he watches them from a distance and his misunderstanding grows. He returns without meeting them. When NT also sees the wall writing, he decideds enough is enough and takes KRV to Bangalore.

When NT meets MR, he is cold shouldered and when MR refuses to marry KRV without telling the reason, NT has no other way but to forcefully secure his consent for the marriage. MR puts one condition that after marriage NT should not visit his house nor should he attempt to see them. The marriage takes place and KRV
unaware of all these gets the shock of her life when MR informs her that he has been forced to marry her and she would remain his wife only for the name sake. KRV takes it in her stride. MR by now starts moving with Geetanjali, the sister of Maali and they go out together to all places. NT unable to find the reason for MR's sudden change of heart finds a job in a petrol bunk in Bangalore itself and when he sees MR with Geetanjali, he goes to their house to talk about it. He finds KRV not happy and tells her that he is not going to take it lightly the behaviour of MR. MR sees him leaving his house and again it raises his suspicion. He starts drinking and unable to bear his acid words (again he is not revealing the exact reason) KRV gives in writing that she has no objection in he marrying any other woman.

NT again confronts MR and on learning that KRV had given her consent in writing snatches away the letter forcefully and destroys it. Insulted badly in front of Geetanjali, MR fully drunk goes to the Petrol bunk where NT works in the middle of the night and tries to shoot him only to find there are no bullets. At that time he tells NT that he is a betrayer and KRV is a characterless woman and drives away. NT unable to take this takes the revolver left by MR only to find that there are 3 bullets in its chambers.

He rushes to their house and tries to kill MR if he is not apologising for what he had uttered. MR again accuses them and only now KRV realises the reason behind his repulsion. NT realising that things are going out of control does an extreme thing to make MR realise his mistake and there ends the saga.

About NT, coming back with a separate post.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
15th September 2007, 09:54 PM
Thanks Mod (NOV/Joe) for the scanning of VCD cover of NV.

There are many films of NT where he had given out a restrained performance but which never got the so called critics accolade. IMO, NT's portraying of Raghu in NV is a performance bordering on the brilliant among his all such roles. From the start to the finish, he is so casual and restrained but that leaves a deep impact on you. The way he utters the dialogues is itself a treat to watch.

From the begining when he brings in VG suffering from chest pain, when he is confronted by VSR, the replies by him "Sir, sagarathu romba easy ana vaazharathuthan kashtam. indha paya nenju vali nandhu nadu roadile surundu vizhundutan. vizhundhavan appadiye sethu poyirukka koodathu? innum evvalu kashtam anubhavikanumo, pozhachitan. Namma mammool vadagai sandaiyai apprum vachukovome". VSR asks him "avanukku enna kodukka pore? " NT replies "Kodukka vendiyathu apple juice, kodukka porathu 2 tumbler paanai thanni".

VG tells NT "Namma pakkathu theruvile oru periya veedu irukku" udane NT sarcastica " evanavathu athai un peyarile uyil ezhuthi vaikka porana". When KRV asks him to accompany her as some rowdy elements eve tease her, NT " Yaar athu, ennai pathi avangalukku theriyathu. Nee Panic in Bangkok parthirukiya, athule oru fight varum, andha mathiri pandhadi vidren" ithai solli vittu "pasanga vatta sattama irupangala?" , KRV " Illai", udane avarathu muga bhavathai paarka vendume "Dhairiyama vaa". Avargalai thandi vandhavudane "Paarthiyaa, naan oru paarvai paarthavudan bayandhutungaa". A scene to relish.

There is a scene when KRV is having food and NT offers to serve her. KRV is embarassed but NT insists on. The casual manner in which he does the scene is so cool. Another scene when he gives just 3 Rs as rent (VG "Saapida kooda illame ungallukka kondu vandhom"), VSR asks KRV to give them food. Immediately both of them jump and the way they start serving themselves before even KRV could start, you feel you are watching two persons in live being so hungry.When MR informs about his love his reaction is one of anger. But when he listens to the conversation between MR and KRV, you have to watch his face standing sodewards and when he tells MR to leave the house " manapoorvama raji-yai virumbalai-nu sollittu po" the camera shows his back with his right hand pointing towards the door. When MR puts his face on that hand and cries, NT's face turn towards right and you see his right side of the face and a single eye. It expresses the happiness overshadowing the dissapointment, a thing only NT can do.

Another nice scene is NT telling VG about how he feels that his love has failed. "Idhayathile oru vali vin vin-nu irukku, ana athu oru small dissapointment. Konja naalile sariyaidum". Even the death scenes of VG and VSR where there were every chances of they becoming melodramatic, he does it in a exemplary manner. His reaction when he sees the wall writing and his reaction later at the house is again noteworthy.

But the scene which takes the cake is where NT meets MR at his Bangalore office. He asks all the other employees to wait outside (to the Anglo- Indian typist " Madam, can you go out for 10 minutes, thank you" his pronounciation and gesture,wow!). When everybody leaves, he sits on MR's table and speaks so
enthusiastically not noticing MR is least interested. When MR tells him " Mudhale keezha erangu, table-i vittu erangu, get out of the table", udane NT mugam konjam konjamaga maari than anindhirukkum shirt-ai paarthukondu konjam kooni kuruguvar. Superb. When he realises that MR is adamant, his reaction would become aggressive and when MR finally agrees he leaves. MR " ana oru Nibandhanai", he would turn so stylishily with the camera focussing him from the ground and with a sarcastic look "enna nibandhanai", I was reminded of the thunderous applause it used to generate in theatres.

After the marriage when he visits their house, KRV asks him " Neenga eppadi irukeenga" ,atharkku with a resigned look " Naana, First class, first class- same shirt, same pant, first class" again a stroke of genius. The scene where he confronts MR who is in the company of Maali and Geethanjaali, the way he dismisses Maali from his presence and his act of torning the consent letter written by KRV and showering it on the head of the Geethanjaali without uttering a word, he never ceases to excite you.

I can go on and on and on but it would be repeating the obvious. Raghu character would always remain as a glittering diamond. NT's decision to do this role with his own hair do and without make up during that period is all the more praiseworthy.

Coming to others, MR is natural in the first half but when he becomes rich and starts showing animosity, he is different with always a curt look in his face, though the character demands it. Raji should be KRV's one of the best roles of her. Sridhar brings out the best in her. VG as Peter has given out a memorable performance whereas VSR as the rough exteriored but kind hearted is superb in this cameo. Another notable feature is there is no comedy track but one never feels the need for it.

N.Balakrishnan's camera work, Sridhar's down to earth dialogues (helped by Gopu) and his screen play and direction (though it seems that he is a bit not sure about how to take it forward in the second half) are the plus points.

Again MSV and Kannadasan at their best (though Vaalee chips in with one song " Nenjirukkum Engalukku").

Muthukalo Kangal ----- This ever green number will find place in top most duests of NT. A soul stirring one.

Nenjirukkum Engalukku -------- The trio sings this song. It starts from Central station and ends at Beach. The interlude between the first and second charanam is done in a single shot and you should see NT style walk. Another irony which I noticed was this song ends at the junction of Beach road and Radhakrishnan Salai and there was a fountain it seems during that time (1966? because this was released in Feb 1967) and when NT finally finishes "Naalai endra naalirukku, vazhendhe theeruvom" he stands exactly, yes you guessed it correct, at the place where his statue stands now.

Poo Mudipal Indha Poongoozhali ------ Watch this song for the poetic beauty, Sridhar's deft handling coupled with NT's expressions (this is the song where TMS voice suits NT perfectly even in dialogue)

Kannan Varum Neramithu --------- PS at her best in this dance song.

Enge Neeyo --------- One of the Super songs that doesn't need any description.

Ninaithal podhum Paaduven --- SJ's soulful rendering for Geetha.

Sridhar once remarked about this film"If only had I not listened to the distributors' words and tampered with the second half " he left it incomplete without indicating what was planned originally. Still this remains as one of his best.

For those who have not seen it, don't miss it.

To sign off, I am reminded of the booklet published during 1970 which included the comments of NT about every film of him. In that, his comment on this movie was just one word

Nenjirukkum Varai - Ninaivirukkum

Regards

saradhaa_sn
16th September 2007, 08:15 PM
'நினைத்தால் போதும் பாடுவேன்'

சில படங்களில் ஒருசில பாடல்கள் ஓகோ என்று HIT ஆகும்போது, சில நல்ல மெலோடியஸ் பாடல்கள் பின்னால் தள்ளப்படுவது வாடிக்கை.

உதாரண்மாக 'எங்க வீட்டுப் பிள்ளையி'யில் "நான் ஆணையிட்டால்" பாடல் சூப்பர் HIT ஆக, அதைத்தொடர்ந்து 'நான் மாந்தோப்பில் நின்றிருந்தேன்' பாடலும் 'குமரிப்பண்ணின் உள்ளத்திலே' பாடலும் மக்களால் பேசப்பட, அருமையான மெலோடியான 'மலருக்கு தென்றல் பகையானால்' பாடல் பின்னுக்கு தள்ளப்பட்டது.

அதுபோலவே, குடியிருந்த கோயில் படத்தில் "ஆடலுடன் பாடலைக்கேட்ட்" சூப்பர் HIT ஆக, தொடர்ந்து 'துள்ளுவதோ இளமை', பின்னர் 'நான்யார் நான்யார்', 'நீயேதான் எனக்கு மணவாட்டி' மற்றும் 'என்னைத்தெரியுமா' பாடல்கள் அடுத்தடுத்த இடங்களைப் பிடிக்க, அருமையான மெலோடியான "குங்குமப்பொட்டின் மங்கலம்" பாடல் நிழலில் தள்லப்ப்பட்டது.

நான் மேற்சொன்ன பாடல்களில் எந்த ஒன்றும் அடுத்ததற்கு சளைத்ததல்ல. அத்தனையுமே தேன் சொட்டும் பாடல்களே. ஆனால் ரேஸில் ஓடும்போது சில நல்ல பாடல்கள் பின் தங்கி விடுகின்றன (அல்லது தங்க வைக்கப்படுகின்றன).

அப்படி ஒரு நிலைமைதான் 'நெஞ்சிருக்கும் வரை' படத்தில் இடம் பெற்ற "நினைத்தால் போதும் பாடுவேன்" என்ற அற்புதப் பாடலுக்கும் நேர்ந்தது. ஏன் அப்படி?. கதாநாயகனும் கதாநாயகியும் இடம் பெறாத பாடல் என்பதாலா?.

தமிழ்த்திரையிசையிலேயே வித்தியாசமாகப் படமாக்கப்பட்ட "பூ முடிப்பாள் இந்தப்பூங்குழலி" பாடலுக்கும், அருமையான டூயட் பாடலான 'முத்துக்களோ கண்கள்' பாடலுக்கும் (இன்றும் இந்தப்பாடலைப்பாடாத மேடை ஆர்க்கெஸ்ட்ராக்களே கிடையாது), சோகத்தைபிழிந்து தரும் 'எங்கே நீயோ நானும் அங்கே உன்னோடு' பாடலுக்கும் நடுவே
'கண்னன் வரும் நேரமிது' பாடலும்
'நினைத்தால் போதும் பாடுவேன்' பாடலும்
சற்று ஒதுக்கி வைக்கப்பட்டன என்பது வேதனையான உண்மை.
ஆனால் தரத்தில் எந்தப்பாடலுக்கும் இவை குறைந்தவை அல்ல.

'மெல்லிசை மன்னரின்' இசையில் எஸ்.ஜானகி அவர்கள் பாடிய ஏராளமான அருமையான பாடல்களில் ஒன்று இது.

(மெல்லிசை மன்னரின் இசையில் ஜானகி அவர்கள் பாடிய இசைக்கடலின் சில துளிகளை வேறொரு இடத்தில் பட்டியலிட்டிருக்கிறேன். காரணம், எந்த தொலைக் காட்சியில் யார் தோன்றி எஸ்.ஜானகியைப் பற்றிப் பேசினாலும் 'எஸ்.ஜானகி என்ற ஒரு பாடகி பிறந்ததே 1976க்குப்பின் தான் என்பது போன்ற ஒரு திட்டமிட்ட மாயை பரப்பப் பட்டு வருகிறது).

எடுத்த எடுப்பிலேயே பஞ்சமத்தில் துவங்கும் பாடல் இது.

நினைத்தால் போதும் பாடுவேன்
அனைத்தால் கையில் ஆடுவேன்
(அப்படியே ஸ்தாயி இறங்கி)
சலங்கை துள்ளும் ஓசையில்
கலங்கும் கண்னை மாற்றுவேன்

தொடர்ந்து இடையிசையில் சிதார் மற்றும் ஃப்ளுட் உடன் தபேலா. சட்டென்று இவை நின்று (சிவாஜி துப்பாக்கியுடன் ஓடிவரும் காட்சியை காட்டும்போது) வெறும் வயலின் மட்டும், பின்னர் காட்சி மாறி கீதாஞ்சலியின் நடனத்தைக் காட்டும்போது மீண்டும் ஃப்ளூட் மற்றும் தபேலா, மீண்டும் அதே பிட்டை வயலினில் வாசித்து நிறுத்த, சோலோவில் தபேலா, தொடர்ந்து ஜானகியின் நீண்டHUMMING சட்டென்று வயலின் அழுத்தலோடு பாடல் சரணத்துக்குள் நுழைய..... அப்பப்பா என்ன ஒரு இடையிசை....!!!!

பாலின் நிறம் போன்ற அழ்கான பெண்மை
பனியில் விளையாடும் கனிவான மென்மை
எங்கும் பறந்தோடும் இளந்தென்றல் அல்ல
ஏக்கம் வரும்போது எல்லோர்க்கும் சொல்ல

ஆகா... எஸ்.ஜானகியின் குரலில்தான் என்னென்ன மாடுலேஷன்கள். மெட்டமைத்தவர் யார். மெல்லிசை மன்னரல்லவா?

பாடலின் இறுதியில் வரும் நீண்ட வயலின் மற்றும் ஜானகியின் நீண்ட HUMMING படத்தில் இடம் பெற்றிருந்தபோதிலும், சிவாஜி கே.ஆர்.விஜயாவுடன் பேசிக்கொண்டிருக்கும்போது தொலைவில் ஒலிப்பதாக காட்டப் படுவதால், சற்று மாற்றுக் குறைந்து விடுகிறது.

ஸ்ரீதர் ஏன் இப்படி செய்தார் என்பதுதான் விளங்கவில்லை.

இப்பாடலில் கீதாஞ்சலியின் நடனம் கண்ணுக்கு அருமையான விருந்து. அதுவும் ஒரே ஷாட்டில் அவர் சுழன்று சுழன்று ஆடும்போது அருமையோ அருமை.

groucho070
17th September 2007, 04:22 PM
[tscii:bc7f9c18a6][quote="Murali Srinivas"]and when NT finally finishes "Naalai endra naalirukku, vazhendhe theeruvom" he stands exactly, yes you guessed it correct, at the place where his statue stands now.
quote]

Maaan....don't know how to react to this. I got to check the movie out again.

Murali-sar, this is perhaps one of the best reviews you have written, to one of the best films ever by NT. It is easily in my top ten NT flicks. This is pre-Varumayin Niram Sigappu, pre-so many films that has harsh economic climate as the background to a more generic story.

There is lots of love in this movie. There is the romance between MR and KRV. There is one-sided romance from NT to KRV. There is deep friendship between VG and NT. There is silent love for a son, between VSR and NT.

And then, there is a man, MR, who is lost in the chaos of love, because of his own legal battle with his uncle – and lost his own parents. This man does not really know love and he got the guts to fall in love with the films heroine. That what makes this film stand out. You, the audience, are kept pushed on the emotional roller-coaster ride.

The best part of this movie is the opening. It is straight to the street, to these youths who break their back to make a living. And poor creatures….they are given emotion to spare. Friendship and later romance. Do they deserve it? Can they live by it? The most pivotal moment in the movie is when VSR is dying. The old man, now frail, is still proud, rough, looks like anytime he’d give NT a verbal lashing like the earlier times, but he just goes on to accept NT as his son, asking him to cremate him, to take care of KRV.

That duty alone takes him on a destructive journey…literally at the end. End of the film, you would ask yourself, “is there love in this world? Or do I understand it well, the way I think I did?” Strong self-doubting moment. I felt it after this movie.

Thanks again, Murali-sar. I am watching it tonight as my special day treat.[/tscii:bc7f9c18a6]

groucho070
17th September 2007, 04:24 PM
[tscii]
and when NT finally finishes "Naalai endra naalirukku, vazhendhe theeruvom" he stands exactly, yes you guessed it correct, at the place where his statue stands now.


Maaan....don't know how to react to this. I got to check the movie out again.

Murali-sar, this is perhaps one of the best reviews you have written, to one of the best films ever by NT. It is easily in my top ten NT flicks. This is pre-Varumayin Niram Sigappu, pre-so many films that has harsh economic climate as the background to a more generic story.

There is lots of love in this movie. There is the romance between MR and KRV. There is one-sided romance from NT to KRV. There is deep friendship between VG and NT. There is silent love for a son, between VSR and NT.

And then, there is a man, MR, who is lost in the chaos of love, because of his own legal battle with his uncle – and lost his own parents. This man does not really know love and he got the guts to fall in love with the films heroine. That what makes this film stand out. You, the audience, are kept pushed on the emotional roller-coaster ride.

The best part of this movie is the opening. It is straight to the street, to these youths who break their back to make a living. And poor creatures….they are given emotion to spare. Friendship and later romance. Do they deserve it? Can they live by it? The most pivotal moment in the movie is when VSR is dying. The old man, now frail, is still proud, rough, looks like anytime he’d give NT a verbal lashing like the earlier times, but he just goes on to accept NT as his son, asking him to cremate him, to take care of KRV.

That duty alone takes him on a destructive journey…literally at the end. End of the film, you would ask yourself, “is there love in this world? Or do I understand it well, the way I think I did?” Strong self-doubting moment. I felt it after this movie.

Thanks again, Murali-sar. I am watching it tonight as my special day treat.

NOV
18th September 2007, 08:14 PM
SITUATION: Money goes missing in an office. Coincidentally Manager's brother was in the office when the money was placed in the bureau. Also, the brother posseses an unaccountable amount following the incident.

manager gets arrested and the released on jameen. song comes on.

Kannadhasan would have given a wonderful song with ambiguous deep meanings on suspicions vs. innocence, but it is not to be.
Why wasnt kannadhasan chosen for this fim? :shock:

Why? :banghead:

Murali Srinivas
19th September 2007, 08:32 PM
NOV,

Enna Idhu? Looks like a findout - from -which- film? I am also confused because the scene is so familiar yet I am not able to place my finger on the name. Let me think.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
19th September 2007, 09:28 PM
Saw a Film which I have not had the opportunity to see earlier. Released exactly 48 years ago (1959 Aug), this film's name always held some fascination because of it's unique nature. I always had a liking for mystery stories and this promised one.

MARAGATHAM

The name in the Title card is given as Maragatham and in brackets as Karunkuyil Kundrathu Kolai. The story is based on a true life incident that happened some decades ago and it is a bit complex and I am not sure whether I could put it coherently here. Let me try.

The one aspect of the story is, it is set in British Period just before Independence. Another confusing aspect is for quite some time you are unable to decide whether it is a social film or a Raja Rani story.
Again the story oscillates between Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu.

The Film opens in Sri Lanka, where NT (the Zamindar in waiting of KarunKuyil Kundram Zamin) where his uncle (Balaiah) rule now. NT is captured by a dreaded forest brigand (OAK Thevar) and he demands ransom. Padmini who lives near by and who had once rescued OAK pleads for NT and OAK obliges her. Padmini's father is S.Balachander and PAdmini knows that they belong to TN but no other detail including about her mother is known to her. When NT rescued from OAK falls sick, SB and Padmini take care of him and NT expresses his desire to marry Padmini and SB stoutly refuses. NT leaves for TN as a dejected man. SB now informs Padmini that he was ruling Karunkuyil Kundram as his elder brother had no children. Due to some misunderstanding with the nearby zamin he is asked by his brother to severe the relation. Actually SB had married Sandhya (JJ's mother) who belongs to that Zamin. When SB refuses to severe the relation, his brother threatens him that he would be deposed from power. SB also angrily replies back. On that night , the Maharaja is murdered and SB is arrested. In the court of law headed by the British, all witnesses are against SB and he is convicted. He escapes from the prison and elopes to Sri Lanka along with his 3 year old daughter Maragatham(Padmini). Sandhya and others believe that child is dead and Sandhya is forced to divorce SB as he is absconding and considered dead.

When this is told to Padmini, she wants to go to TN. By this time OAK also wants to kidnap her which forces SB and Padmini to take a journey by boat. The gang also follows and in the ensuing gun fight all the crew of the boat are killed and SB is also wounded and fall into the river. The boat capsizes and PAdmini lands in a sea shore. Sandhya who is travelling on a cruise spots her and rescues her. Padmini is taken to the Zamin and she recogonises her mother. But she never shows that. NT is the brother of Sandhya and when he sees Padmini there, Padmini asks him not to reveal the fact that he knows her earlier. Even to NT, she is not fully revealing the facts. Meanwhile SB also is rescued and he now knowing that Padmini had reached the Zamin sends her a letter and he also stays nearby in a cave and comes and meets Padmini.

Balaiah who had a soft corner for Sandhya is still waiting(!) for her and he has a croony (S.M.Durairaj) and SMD has a suspicion on Padmini. Padmini also suspects something about him as his behaviour is fishy. Meanwhile NT finds out about Padmini and his father and now he sets to sort out the mystery. Chandrababu is the cook of the Zamin and he, SMD and another person had been the main witnesses along with Balaiah in the murder case.

NT and Padmini meet the British law head and discuss about their suspicions and he deputes a mufty police to help them. Now NT walks in as a cook in his own palace to find out the real killer who carried out the attack on the Raja. They stage manage some shows to bring out the real truth and it helps.The killer (easily predictable) gets caught and all ends well.

About the film, will come back

Regards

NOV
20th September 2007, 06:51 AM
Enna Idhu? Looks like a findout - from -which- film? :exactly:

sivaji is 20 years old. his younger brother is gemini ganesan :lol:
gg's gf is savithri and therefore she must be not more than 17 :rotfl:

tfmlover
20th September 2007, 10:39 AM
Bandha paasam ' kavalaigal kidakkattum maranthu vidu (Mayavanathan )
song comes when suspicion between both
but not sure if GG was Sivaji Ganesan's bro?

in Pennin Perumai GG Sivaji Ganesan's big bro

regards

NOV
20th September 2007, 11:29 AM
Bandha paasam ' kavalaigal kidakkattum maranthu vidu (Mayavanathan )
song comes when suspicion between both :exactly:
GG is suspicious, but Sivaji is innocent and has no idea that GG suspects him.


but not sure if GG was Sivaji Ganesan's bro?:yes:
Ranga Rao and Kannamba have two sons - elder Sivaji is studying in Bangalore while younger bro Gemini is in Ooty.
Geminis lover is Savithri while Sivaji's lover is Devika.

Murali Srinivas
20th September 2007, 04:25 PM
NOV,

Bandha Paasam was in my mind but like tmfl, I too had the doubt whether GG was the brother of NT because it is many years since I saw the movie in full. All most all the TMS- PBS combo songs have become big hits but this song " Kavalaigal Kitakattum Marandhu Vidu" cannot be said to have reached that level. Whenever I see that song, I always look at the contrast shown by the lead actors in enacting the song. While GG will be dull and sobre (though the situation may demand it), NT with his screen presence and stylished act will endear himself to the viewers .

Regards

Murali Srinivas
20th September 2007, 04:25 PM
-Repeat-

Murali Srinivas
20th September 2007, 08:47 PM
MARAGATHAM

Dialogues: Murasoli Maaran

Music: S.M.Subbiah Naidu

Production : Sri Pakshi Rajaa Studios

Direction : Sriramulu Naidu.

As the story line indicates, this offers not much scope to NT who just breezes thro' this role with the slightest effort. Padmini looks so beautiful and ravishing and her scenes with NT evoke so much charm. S.BAlachander as the deposed Ruler looks a bit artificial in his performance (Surprising for a person who had carved out such a natural film Andha Naal). Balaiah is his usual self. Chandrababu as the cook comes in very late and has only a limited scope to exhibit his talent. Others just fit in the bill.

Songs wise, Cauvery paayum Kanni Thamizh nadu (TMS), Kannukulle Ennai Paaru (TMS & Leela) and Pambara kannale (CB and Jamuna Rani) are the very famous ones. One more nice song by Jayalakshmi (Soolamangalam?) for a Padmini dance song is good (not getting the pallavi).

Maaran's dialogue is neither firebrand nor very catchy. Only if the screenplay had been taken care of in a proper manner, this could have turned out to be a nice film. Of course it is 48 years before and so we have to give it to the director. I am given to understand from Raghavendran Sir's website that this is a 100 Day movie.
Good!

Regards

NOV
21st September 2007, 07:01 AM
murali, I agree with you. the lyrics are a contributing factor too.
such direct lines that it could have been prose: eduththavan yaarO maraiththavan yaarO ...

in bandha paasam Chandrababu mimics MR Radha. appavE indha mimicry aarambam pOla. :D
is it only me or does anyone else see similiarities between Chandrababu and presnt day "comedian" Charlie?


ok next one: As a kid growing up in the 70s, we had a grocery shop but also sold "records" ie LPs and EPs. Songs from this film and the cover which showed Sivaji and Kamal, made me curious and I had always wanted to watch the film. I never got the chance until last night, again thanks to Astro Vellithirai. :)

After watching the film, I guess it must be one of the sveral "political innings" by NT where he appears as a Nattaamai who is governed by his sense of honour. Kamal is his educated younger brother. Jaychitra is his murai penn. I have always found JC to be loud and she doesnt disappoint here either. But I have to concede that she had several good opportunities to shine. Kamal gets married to Manjula though.
What's the film my friends? :D

groucho070
21st September 2007, 09:41 AM
Nov, naanum padattai Parteen.

I too always wanted to watch Sathyam, and finally they showed it in Vellitirai.

I am not sure about political elements, but whatever there is is pretty ordinary stuff.

Kamal, again (later in Nam Pirantha Man) does the typical Srikanth-type role (rebelling son, brother, etc), but he is actually a victim here. And streaks of fine performance shows early, at the age of 22!

And fans of both NT and Kamal gets another delight: Both dances together (with the gals) for one song. Never has that happened since.

Plus, finally I knew which film these two wonderful song was filmed: Kalyana Kovilil Theiviga Kalasam and Azhagaam Kodi Sirithu.

Of course, NT gets his own "Keettaane Oru Keelvi".

It's a fine, movie. Not great, but good enough, especially if you are fans of the legend and one of his successor.

Note to Kamal fans: Early scene (after a few scenes actually) shows Kamal arriving back to his hometown by train. Similar scene is included in his Devar Magan, albeit more, errr, explosive. Difference is, in Sathyam NT does not receive him, whereas in DM he does.

NOV
21st September 2007, 10:21 AM
:shock: groucho
wanted to play games will fellow NT fans :roll:

anyway, the political stuff are all over in the film. i think director Kannan wasnt sure whether to give a devotional movie or a social one. :roll:
the first scene of sivaji crying to amman and as a result the sky breaking had me cracking up. :rotfl:

i agree with you totally on kamal on train scene. did remind me very much of devar magan.

funnily the younger kamal resembled YGM in many ways. :lol2:

NOV
21st September 2007, 10:31 AM
Sivaji didnt get any good songs in Sathyam. pOttaanE oru pOdu was very pedestrian. but the songs for kamal - both kalyaana kOvilil deiveega kalasam, kangalil theryudhu thelivaaga and azhagaam kodi siridhu adhilum undhan idai siridhum, nadaiyaai nadandhu sendraal nalla idai vaadaadhO- were very good.
this must have been early 70s - KV Mahadevan in not bad. :thumbsup:

i was waiting for saththyaththin sOthanaikku eththaanai pEr saatchi, but it must be from a different film. :huh:

groucho070
21st September 2007, 11:21 AM
I agree with the Amman scene. I had mild fear that it might turn out to be a devotional movie...which is not what I thought of Sathyam in the first place.

Then, it moved on to a what I call, interupted-love plot. Despite NT in his prime (1976) I was surprised to notice the scope given to Kamal's character. His character is same position as NT's and their clash is not really terrible, say like in Gauvaram, but it does make you sad that both has to make decisions they make.

You are right about the songs, both songs are beautiful. And yeah, KVM did well, considering MSV was towering at that time. KVM is always okay with songs, only his background scores are well...not really memorable.

Kamal looks like YGM-ah? Damn, he looks handsome. He will always be the most goodlooking of the heroes. Appavum sari, ippavum sari.

NOV
21st September 2007, 02:08 PM
I agree with the Amman scene. I had mild fear that it might turn out to be a devotional movie...which is not what I thought of Sathyam in the first place.almost all songs had reference to magamaayi remember? :roll:

and the final jayachitra appearance was as magamaayi. :lol:

as for Kamal, he was in his best looks in the 80s. Kaadhal Parishu, Raaja Paarvai, Naayagan..... etc

Overall, NT was subdued in the film - looked like it belonged to Jayachitra all the way. The ending was so abrupt. :roll:

btw, was surprised that vasanam was by Vietnam Veedu Sundram - nothing outstanding actually.

groucho070
21st September 2007, 04:36 PM
VVS did the dialogues? Well, guess the story didn't have any scope for him to deliver zingers.

Yeah, Magamayee reference was throughout and yeah, one suspects this is a vehicle for Jayachitra (I wonder if she was that big at that time...consider another Kamal/JC venture, Cinema Paithiyam, which also centered on her [thank god NT just played cameo]).

Another thing about the ending. This is one formula in old films (and some new one too) where if the hero/heroine ratio is not balanced, someone will die. If two heroines for one hero (most of the time) one of the heroine will die.

I think NT delivered the goods the way he should in a mediocre, but okay film like this. Though there was some sparks here and there, he mostly seem to be happy being in background.

Murali Srinivas
21st September 2007, 05:05 PM
NOV,

Sathyam will not be difficult to guess because the moment you say NT- Kamal combo and a story line like this, the answers would be pouring in. This came at a time when the NT fans were divided into two camps politically. One supporting Indira and the other continuing to be loyal to the Congress (O) headed by P.Ramachandran at that time. But I don't remember any politically loaded dialogue or as Groucho had pointed out it would have been a minor one.

This was the time when NT was undergoing troubled times in his career too. Starting from Sep 1975, his films like Anbe Aruyire, Dr.Siva, Vaira Nenjam, Pattum Bharathamum, Unakaga Naan did not have a great run and the film before this, "Grihapravesam " (which has the song you were mentioning "Sathiyathin Sodhanaikku") somewhat redeemed his position. People had expectations from this film because Kamal was getting established as a hero (his Manmadha Leelai had hit the theatres in Feb 1976) but the film failed to satisfy. NT fans felt that he was not given his due. This director Kannan is actually S.A.Kannan who had directed many stage plays for Sivaji Nataka Mandram. NT wanted to give him a lift and that's how this movie got made. VV Sundaram penned the dialogues (the same pair VVS and SAK had done Vietnam Veedu).

I remember one incident concerned with this movie. The movie was released on 6th May 1976. While standing in the queue two days before the release for booking the tickets, a person standing in front of me said " You know this was the date (6th May) 4 years ago (1972), when Pattikkada Pattanama was released ". He was implying about the BO success. Though I was aware of it, I didn't react except smile. On the day of release while coming out of the theatre after watching the movie, my eyes were searching for him to pat him for his optimism(!).

Regards

NOV
21st September 2007, 08:16 PM
1976? :shock:
and you were queuing for tickets? :omg:
I never went for movies without family until I was in my 20s. :roll:

and yes, it was a Shanthi Films production. :roll:
Vietnam Veedu, in contrast, is real class. :thumbsup: Need to get the DVD on this.

dont laugh, but another movie i was dying to watch in my teens was Oh Manju by Sridhar. :oops: still havent had the opportunity. :oops2:

Suddenly thinkiing of Pazhani ... 8-)

Murali Srinivas
21st September 2007, 08:52 PM
NOV,

It was both ways. Used to go with my mother as well as with my cousin/friend. I was in teens and you know how uncomfortable you feel when you go with your family for obvious reasons.

This film as a surprise decision had announced reservations which was not in vogue at Madurai at that point of time (I think the situation is the same even now there. Rajaram can clarify). For seeing the opening show we would be depending upon the Mandra ticket. Hope you understand this.

The Fans association or the Thalaimai Rasigar Mandram (in our case it was Madurai Maavatta Sivaji Rasigarkal Thalaimai Mandram) would procure the tickets from the theatre and usually 50% of the first day tickets would be given to the Fans association and it will be sold at a higher price with the opening show tickets being sold at a premium. I was not a member but had acquaintances there and we used to buy the tickets from them. Since we cannot ask our parents to take us for opening show, we friends used to go and enjoy. Even now when our meet up, we talk about those things.

MOser Baer has come out with Vietnam Vedu DVD priced at Rs 34/-.
You were talking about Chennai visit in November right? You can buy a handful from here.

Why suddenly Pazhani ? Did you listen to Aarodum Mannil Engum or Annan Ennada Thambi ennada recently?

Regards

NOV
22nd September 2007, 01:33 PM
thanks for the info murali. :D


MOser Baer has come out with Vietnam Vedu DVD priced at Rs 34/-.
You were talking about Chennai visit in November right? You can buy a handful from here.:victory:
wait. let me prepare a list of films i want to buy...


Why suddenly Pazhani ? Did you listen to Aarodum Mannil Engum or Annan Ennada Thambi ennada recently?no. :cry:
i am tired of watching a subdued NT. :cry2:

NOV
22nd September 2007, 02:08 PM
murali, neenga theerga tharisiyO or its just a coincidence, AV showed Graha Pravesam this morning. :D

GP is another in the series of films I am watching about Sivaji and his younger brother. :frightened:
Muthuraman, Gemini Ganesan, Kamalahassan and now Sivakumar. :D
Dialogues were again bu Vietnam Veedu sundaram.

Raju (NT) is a lorry driver and films starts with him driving a lorry together with co-driver MRR Vasu, and singing ulagam peridhu saalaigal siridhu, oli koduththaal vazhi kidaikkum. (Reminded me very much of the opening song in Neethi). Kannadhasan goes on a riot here and finishes the song with padaikkum thozhilai konjam neruththi kondaal enna paranthaamaa. :rotfl:

We learn that Raju and his wife Letchumi (KR Vijaya) have lots of hope on Raju's brother Ravi (Sivakumar) who is in town studying. To supplement the income, Raju acts in theru kooththu without the knowledge of his wife. The drama song ayOthi nagar vaazhum arasa kumaaran comes next. A Sakunthala is Seetha. :lol2:

Ravi returns home and passes exams (what else) in first class. He joins Major Sundararajan as an Engineer and instructs his brother to stop working. From his salary, he sets up a mechanic shop for Raju.

Ravi meets Major's daughter Uma (Jaya) and they fall in love. After a round of meetings and explanations, they both get married (dont miss the ponnu paarkkara scene - hilarious to the core.) During their first night, Raju and Letchumi get to sing a song. :D
My favourite song in the film - enga veettu ranikkippO ilamai thirumbudhu.

At the end of the song, Uma gets hysterical and faints. It is then revealed that she has a fits-like disease whenever she gets excited. Sivaji's acting here is superb. :thumbsup:

Uma is a wonderful girl and refuses to live apart from Raju and Letchumi. Soon she gets devoted to their son Babu and brings him up as his own. Sivakumar leaves for US to further his studies.
Immediately Raju meets with an accident and needs to use a walking stick.

In the meantime, the family builds a house and are ready for the graha pravEsam. Babu steals time from school to watch a film and is caught by the principal and is asked to pay a fine. Letchumi gives him the money without knowing its purpose. Uma learns of it and an argument flares. Letchumi gets emotional and promises never to depend on Uma's money anymore and leaves the new house. Raju has no choice but to accept her decision.

The song saththyaththin sOthanaikku eththanai pEr pOtti comes on now. (Since the whole film is light, there is no feeling of pain or grief for the viewer.)

Ravi returns from US and is shocked to learn of developments. He rushes home only to find a handicapped brother who now is back at the theru kooththus: kandru kural thEdi varum pasuvaanEn. (interestingly there is some jealousy in the drama scene and NT is mentioned as the best actor and no one else can come near him :roll: )

Alls well that ends well and the entire family is reunited. And the graha pravEsam is completed with a pasu walking through the new house.

Subham ___/|\___

joe
24th September 2007, 11:22 PM
NT as Bhagath Singh from Raajapart Rangadurai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-qgKiAQgy4

Hindustan Zindabad :thumbsup:

NOV
25th September 2007, 07:33 AM
50s on Mondays
60s on Tuesdays
70s on Wednesdays

:D

watched Sabash Meena last night.
a comedy of aal-maaraattam.
chiththiram pEsudhadi... :thumbsup:
Saroja Devi is Chandrababu's pair. :shock:

Murali Srinivas
25th September 2007, 06:17 PM
Dear NOV,

Further to what I said about availability of movies on Moser Baer label, I prepared a list of NT films available with them. The list in the alphabatical order is as follows.

1.Amara Deepam
2.Anbalippu
3.Anbe Aruyire
4.Annai illam
5.Annan Oru Koyil
6.Avan Oru Sarithiram
7.Avandhan Manidhan
8.Bandha Paasam
9.Bagha Pirivinai
10.Bharatha Vilas
11.Deiva Magan
12.Dr.Siva
13.Gnana Paravai
14.Gowravam
15.Iru Malargal
16.Kalthoon
17.Kudumbam Oru Koyil
18.Mannavan Vandhanadi
19.Maragatham
20.Marutha Nattu Veeran
21.Mudhal Kural
22.Naangal
23.Nermai
24.Niraikudam
25.Oorukku Oru Pillai
26.Paar Magale Paar
27.Padikadhavan
28.Padithal Mattum Pothuma
29.Ponnunjal
30.Puthiya Paravai
31.Punar Jenmam
32.Raja
33.Raktha Thilagam
34.Rishi Moolam
35.Sangili
36.Simma Soppanam
37.Sumangali
38.Thanga Surangam
39.Thanga Pathakkam
40.Thillana Mohanambal
41.Tirusoolam
42.Thiruvilayadal
43.Thunai
44.Uthama Puthiran
45.Vidudhalai
46.Vietnam Veedu.

They are available either as DVDs/VCDs. Hope this is helpful for your list preparation.

Regards

NOV
25th September 2007, 07:19 PM
thanks murali for the trouble. :D
My interest would be in the following, which I would only want to buy if available as DVD. I already have VCD collections of some of these.

11.Deiva Magan
13.Gnana Paravai (Is this a diff movie or is it Gnana Oli?)
14.Gowravam
18.Mannavan Vandhanadi
26.Paar Magale Paar
28.Padithal Mattum Pothuma
29.Ponnunjal
30.Puthiya Paravai
39.Thanga Pathakkam
40.Thillana Mohanambal
42.Thiruvilayadal
44.Uthama Puthiran
46.Vietnam Veedu.what abt the sole KB NT film?

Murali Srinivas
25th September 2007, 07:58 PM
NOV,

In the list mentioned by you, I have seen DVDs of the following movies in the shop.

Gowravam
Paar Magale Paar
Thangapathakkam
Thillana Mohanambal
Thiruvilayadal
Vietnam Veedu

Others I saw only VCDs. But what the counter guy told me was if we place an order they would get it. Puthiya Paravai seems to be out of stock. Once you confirm the dates of your visit, I can have a talk with them as the exclusive show room opened by Moser Baer is nearer to my home.

Gnana Paravai is not Gnana Oli. This one came in 1991 after a hiatus when NT indulged in that act of "Thani Katchi" during 1988-89. This was also directed by VV Sundaram who was a follower(!) of the late Yagava Munivar and in fact NT's character in the movie itself was based on Yagava.

The sole KB - NT film is not there in the list available with them and so are many films wanted by me. But again the counter guy tells me that Moser Baer had acquired rights for around 1500 titles in Tamil alone and out of which they have released only 450 -500. They would be coming out with new ones in regular intervals.Hope all our requirements are there.

Regards

NOV
26th September 2007, 07:14 AM
:bow:
I'll be there from the 12th of Nov. :D

Some of the films I hope to buy:

Uthamaputhiran
Veerapandiya Kattabomman
Paavai Vilakku
Paavamannippu
Paasamalar
Paalum Pazhamum
Kappal Ottiya Thamizhan
Bale Pandiya
Aalayamani
Paar Magale Paar
Kungumam
Karnan
Kai Kodutha Dheivam
Pachai Vilakku
Pudhiya Paravai
Thiruvilaiyadal
Santhi
Pazhani
Motor Sundaram Pillai
Mahakavi Kalidas
Selvam
Kandhan Karunai
Enga Oor Raja
Thirumaal Perumai
Kaaval Dheivam
Dheiva Magan
Vietnam Veedu
Enga Mama
Savaale Samaali
Babu
Kulama Gunama
Thangaikkaga
Iru Thuruvam
Vasandha Maaligai
Gnana Oli
Needhi
Gowravam
Rajapart Rangadurai
Rajaraja Cholan
Thanga Padhakkam
En Magan
Uthaman
Ethiroli

NOV
26th September 2007, 07:20 AM
Murali, have you heard this song?
kaavalukku vElundu aadalukku mayilundu oodalukku poru ennadaa kumaraa, nee irukkum idam thaanadaa by sirgazhiyaar. which NT film is it from?

groucho070
26th September 2007, 09:42 AM
Nov,


The sole KB/NT film, Ethiroli, I got it from Mani Osai (remember I told you) alongside some of the other titles. Some are also in double packages. You may want to check the Mani Osai again (goright to the back) before doing your Chennai DVD shopping. I managed to get quite a number of NT DVDs there.

groucho070
26th September 2007, 09:43 AM
Nov,


The sole KB/NT film, Ethiroli, I got it from Mani Osai (remember I told you) alongside some of the other titles. Some are also in double packages. You may want to check the Mani Osai again (goright to the back) before doing your Chennai DVD shopping. I managed to get quite a number of NT DVDs there.

NOV
26th September 2007, 09:56 AM
thanks groucho. but it is so cheap in india! :shock:

groucho070
26th September 2007, 10:17 AM
It's okay if you are planning to get in bulk. Here, I think you can get it less than RM18 for old films (2 in I included). But quality does actually differ. My Gauvaram DVD's quality is about the same as my VCDs. I bought few DVDs in Chennai early this year, and some were good and I was disappointed that Nenjirukkum Varai was not that good. It all depends on the copy of films that the distributor have, I guess. I wish they would embark on a journey to preserve these old films in pristine condition, or enhance them. I have old James Bond Ultimate Edition DVDs....my god, the quality!!!! It's like watching a present day movie set in the 60s. Wish they could choose some ultimate films of that time and preserve, and correct them the way they do in Hollywood. What to do...

NOV
26th September 2007, 11:26 AM
I too have the James Bond collection 21 movies in 3 discs. :D

How is it that the astro guys get all old movies at such good quality? :shock:
p/s: are you going to watch aval oru thodarkathai today at 6pm? :D

groucho070
26th September 2007, 12:55 PM
21 movies in 3 Discs!!!! What technology is that?

The one I am talking about is the original Ultimate Edition series, 2 discs in a package. It costs a bomb (RM49, but the extras are heaven sent for fans like me), so I am buying only the ones I like. I have only 5 movies so far. I have all 20 in VCDs though.

The Ultimate Series, not only have the usual extras (behind scenes, deleted footage, etc), but is welcomed for it's picture quality. The people behind it, went back to original film, scanned them individually, and retouched the scanned pictures. All scratches are gone, images are sharper, and as I said, the Connery movies looked like they were made today!

I wish they could do the same to old NT movies, does not matter if they are in colour or B/W. Those are heritage stuff. The TN government should allocate some fund, and seeing that India has no problem in providing the right technology (providing also the right talent behind it), they can do these type of restorations. Well, we can only dream.

By the way, not all old films are presented in good condition in Vellithirai. I recall one MGR movie, where they zoomed in presumably to block out the subtitles at the bottom. Some of the 80s films, especially, are pretty bad. But of late, I have been seeing some good quality flicks.

I can't make it back home by 6, so I have to give AOT a miss....sigh...

NOV
26th September 2007, 01:27 PM
21 movies in 3 Discs!!!! What technology is that? DVD :D
I bought in pasar malam and the whole lot cost me 50 bucks. :lol:
I have 4-in-1 tamil movies too. ;)


I can't make it back home by 6, so I have to give AOT a miss....sigh... I finish at 4.30 this fasting month. :lol2:
at least try to catch andhi mandharai at 9pm. vijayakumar is nearly as good as NT in this film. excellent songs too.

Murali Srinivas
26th September 2007, 04:36 PM
NOV,

List noted down. Will do a search in other shops too.

As Groucho mentioned, the DVD players put up a very safe disclaimer on their covers stating that quality of the disc depends upon the source. In Maragatham there were two three scenes which were literally getting struck as if you pressed the pause button. You can't run the entire DVd before buying.

As for as your querry is concerned, is it Manidhanum Deivamagalam? Because out of the two roles of NT, the elder brother who is a theist sings in Seerkazhi's voice and the lyrics you have quoted sounds similar to that movie.(MD:Kunnakudi)

Regards

NOV
26th September 2007, 07:58 PM
As for as your querry is concerned, is it Manidhanum Deivamagalam? Because out of the two roles of NT, the elder brother who is a theist sings in Seerkazhi's voice and the lyrics you have quoted sounds similar to that movie.(MD:Kunnakudi) :exactly:
:thumbsup: murali! you are the best. :clap:

this is another of the films i always wanted to watch.....

NOV
26th September 2007, 08:00 PM
also pls look out for anbu sagotharargal (I think) where rangarao is the eldest among 4 brothers.
it has the gandasala song muththukku muththaaga soththukku soththaaga annan thambi pirandhu vandhOm onnukku onnaaga ...

NOV
26th September 2007, 08:02 PM
one more :D
sivaji acts as an iyengar and the story is between father and son. i think son dies... is it parikshaikku nEramaachu or krishnan vandhaan? :confused2:

sivank
26th September 2007, 08:48 PM
one more :D
sivaji acts as an iyengar and the story is between father and son. i think son dies... is it parikshaikku nEramaachu or krishnan vandhaan? :confused2:

That is Paritchaikku neramaachu. NT is Nadaathu Narasimhachaari and YGM is his son.

Murali Srinivas
26th September 2007, 10:22 PM
NOV,

Thanks. (Aanal namukkul indha mutual formality thevai illai ena ninaikiren). One of your querries had brought back Sivan to NT thread after a long time.

As a part of celebrations of NT's birthday falling on 1st Oct, Sivaji Prabhu Charities Trust is bringing out the English version of NT's autoboigraphy published earlier in Tamil. More details about the function later.

Regards

joe
27th September 2007, 10:42 AM
NOV,

Thanks. (Aanal namukkul indha mutual formality thevai illai ena ninaikiren). One of your querries had brought back Sivan to NT thread after a long time.

As a part of celebrations of NT's birthday falling on 1st Oct, Sivaji Prabhu Charities Trust is bringing out the English version of NT's autoboigraphy published earlier in Tamil. More details about the function later.

Regards

Thanks Murali sir.

I heard that NT fans arranging a procession to NT statue ..but unfortunately TN Govt announced a bandh on same day :oops:

NOV
27th September 2007, 10:55 AM
edhkku bandh? for the ram sedhu project?

karunanidhikku oru :hammer:
BJP pasangalukku oru :hammer:

:evil:

NOV
27th September 2007, 11:23 AM
btw, thanks siva. :D

oru joke gnabagaththukku varudhu. :lol:
class la vaaththyaar paadam nadaththuraar. oru payyana paarththu, "muruganOda appaa yaaru" endru kEtkkiraar.
payyan mundhaiya naalthaan Thiruvilaiyadal padam paarthirukkaan, so udanE sonnaan "Sivaji!" :rotfl:

vaaththyarukku :shock: "ennadaa sollura" appadinu kEttaaru.

NT rasiganaana avanum konjam arivullavan. so avan sonnaan, "adhu onnum illanga saar. sivan mele enakku adhiga mariyaadhai adhaan ji pOttu siva-ji endrEn," endru solli thappiththaan. ;)

joe
27th September 2007, 11:51 AM
NOV,
Actually it was not just a joke,but really happened one.

It happened during Kirupanada Variyar's speach.

During his speach he asked a boy "Muruga perumanin appa peyar enna?" .The boy replied "Sivaji" and everybody laughed ..varaiyar swamigal replied "Ithula sirukkirathukku onNum illa ..thampi sariya thaan solliyirukkar ..vada naatil peyarukku pin mariyathaikkaga 'ji' sethukkuvanga .athu pola ivaraum 'siva'-kku kooda 'ji' sethukkittar"

Murali Srinivas
27th September 2007, 07:34 PM
Joe,

Not aware of the procession. Did you read it somewhere? People were talking about the statue unveiling at Madurai on this coming Oct 1st. Last week I had been to Madurai and my friend is telling me that the place where it was originally planned (near the court in KK Nagar) has not been alloted so far and so the ceremony has been postponed. Some alternate sites are being discussed it seems. Let's see.

In Chennai, Corporate club is organising a musical nite on 30th Sep, Sunday titled " Paatum Naane Bhavamum Naane" which is solely dedicated to NT. Hoardings for the same has come up in many places in Chennai. It is at Music academy.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
28th September 2007, 02:25 PM
On 1st Oct, the Sivaji - Prabhu charities is organising a function in view of NT's Birthday. The details are

Date: 01.10.2007

Venue: Music Acadamy, Chennai

Time: 6.30 PM

Chief Guest: Dr. Puranderaswari (Union State Minister, Human Resources)

Artists to be honoured : 1.S.Varalakshmi

2. M.N.Rajam

3. P.S.Natarajan

Releasing the First copy of the English version of NT's autobiography will be held next.

Releasing the First copy : N.Ram (The Hindu)

Receiving the First copy : Cho

Regards

Murali Srinivas
28th September 2007, 07:35 PM
The function organised on 30 th Sep, Sunday is arranged by Bharat Kalachar, the cultural organisation run by Y.Gee. P family. The people who are being presented with NT awards on that day are Nagesh,Saroja devi and Lakshmi. Also TMS, PS and VJ are being given NT awards. From the likes of it, it is going to be a star studded one. Venue is Music Acadamy.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
28th September 2007, 07:36 PM
- Repeat Posting -

NOV
28th September 2007, 08:22 PM
murali, I just saw in thenkinnam a song from guru daksanai starring sivaji & padmini.

details pls 8-)

Murali Srinivas
29th September 2007, 03:21 PM
NOV,

What is the song? Is it "Ondre Ondru Ulagam Ondru" song which Padmini teaches at school or are you referring to any other song? As for as I remember there are two other songs for NT and JJ. One is "Orangi Rangamani Kanni" and the other a PS solo. Basically Guru Dhakshinai dealt with a village bumpkin played by NT and his lady love is JJ who does a living by Bioscope screening. Padmini the teacher comes to the village school. She tries to reform NT the illiterate and their relationship is misunderstood. How it gets resolved is the remaining part.

Sorry, I am not able to give you what you wanted because I have not seen this after 1969. TV channels do show this film but I have not had the opportunity to see it. I know this is in your list. Let me see if I can get hold of this .

Regards

Murali Srinivas
29th September 2007, 05:32 PM
While browsing through NT thread, I just remembered today is 29th Sep. Kalathaal Azhiyadha Kaviyam Vasantha Maaligai was released on this day 35 years ago (29.09.1972). Now it is 4.15 PM IST and the same time on that day it was interval time for the afternoon show at Madurai New Cinema, to which I had gone.

Myself and my cousin had tried our best to get the tickets for the opening show but in vain. We were upset but our mood changed once the movie started. We enjoyed every bit and when we came out we were so happy but there was a small disapointment that we could not make it to the opening show. To make up for the same my cousin went for the night show also on the same day. Just relishing those thoughts.

Regards

tacinema
29th September 2007, 06:57 PM
Murali,
35 years have gone, but the movie still lives on people's heart. What a movie - VM.

Recently, I was in Madurai and found out Central cinema released NT's Parasakthi - the movie poster said this: 55 varudangal kalithum evare super star - Nadigar Thilagathin Parasakthi. Story & Dialogue: MU KA. Following week, Meenakshi Theatre released MGR movie. It seems Madurai people still gets their share of old NT-MGR movies. When people say "old" movies, they still mean NT-MGR movies. A simple tradition that lives on.

One question on VM: If the movie had a better comedy track, do you think it would have still run for more days? what is your most favorite scene in VM? Just one scene!

Murali Srinivas
29th September 2007, 07:26 PM
Dear tac,

Long time no see. You will not believe but I was thinking about you when I posted this. I was wondering where were you? Now I understand that you are on vacation. Last Sunday (23rd), I was also in Madurai. I am going there after a year and indeed I passed thro' Pandhadi, Alankar, Dinamani theatres and another surprise was Ganesha theatre which had been bought by Reliance and the big banner of Adlabs was there. Sad fact was Chintamani is closed. Is it going to become a multiplex? The happy news was Thangam after all it's legal tangles, has been bought by GV Films and a multiples is going to come up there. Dharmam Thalaikakkum was running in Central.

Coming to VM, yes you are right. It will live forever. About the most favourite scene, it is very difficult to answer. If you look from the "Alapparai" point of view, it is Yen(n) Yen(n) song. If it is acting then "Paasama,adhu engamma inga irukku ", the scene he explodes in front of Shantakumari, his mother. If it is style then swimming pool scene and Mayakemenna song. You can go on listing. NT fans will always be biassed towards VM.

Hope you would be active again.

Regards

NOV
30th September 2007, 07:26 PM
What is the song? Is it "Ondre Ondru Ulagam Ondru" song which Padmini teaches at school :yes:


Basically Guru Dhakshinai dealt with a village bumpkin played by NT and his lady love is JJ who does a living by Bioscope screening. Padmini the teacher comes to the village school. She tries to reform NT the illiterate and their relationship is misunderstood. How it gets resolved is the remaining part.
this is what i wanted. that one scene was interesting.

trivia: which film is this from: thEru paarkka vandhirukkum chiththira pennE...

groucho & malaysian hubbers, in conjunction with nadippin pirandha naal tomorrow, velli thirai will be screening sivaji films every day of the whole week. enjoy. :thumbsup:

saradhaa_sn
30th September 2007, 08:03 PM
Nov,

It is from "இரு துருவம்"

NOV
1st October 2007, 06:39 AM
:yes:
i watched this as a teen, on its 2nd run as a cheap matinee. God! those were the days.
65 cents for a reserved seat!

NOV
1st October 2007, 06:39 AM
Rally on Sivaji Ganesan's 80th birth anniversary

A rally will be taken out in Chennai on October 1, 2007, to celebrate actor Sivaji Ganesan's 80th birth anniversary. The arrangements for the rally are being made by the Nadigar Thilakam Sivaji Samooga Peravai, said its president, K Chandrasekharan.

The rally will be flagged off at the Triumph of Labour Statue at 8.30 a.m on October 1, 2007, and will culminate at the Sivaji Ganesan statue near the Light House.

http://chennaionline.com/film/Events/Sep07/09article05.asp

NOV
1st October 2007, 07:21 AM
Encyclopaedia Britannica on Sivaji:

Villipuram Chinah Pillai Ganesan born October 1, 1927, Sirkali, Tamil Nadu, India
died July 21, 2001, Chennai


http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9384188/Sivaji-Ganesan

joe
1st October 2007, 07:58 AM
இன்று நடிப்பின் பிறந்த நாள்

வாழ்க நடிகர் திலகம் புகழ்!

NOV
1st October 2007, 08:48 AM
astro vellithirai today:

10.30 am - Navarathri
6.00 pm - Bhagyavathy
9.00 pm - Manidhanum Deivamaagalaam :D

Murali Srinivas
1st October 2007, 12:51 PM
NOV,

I am reminded of "Kettadhum Koduppavane Krishna Krishna". Neengal sonnavudane ungalukku thevaiyana padangal varugiradhu (Manidhanum Deivamagalam). Athe pol Ungal Korikkai Malaysia-vilurundhu Moser Baer-irkku "Ethiroli" -thu vittadhu. Yes the NT- KB film has come out from the Moser Baer stable and is available at the stores.

Try to watch Bhagyavathy. It is one film many have not seen. Would like to know about the movie.

Regards

NOV
1st October 2007, 01:12 PM
I am reminded of "Kettadhum Koduppavane Krishna Krishna". :D
I was feeling the same too Murali. Coincidence? :huh:

Manidhanum Deivamagalam is a film I wanted to watch very much in my younger days. am very happy that i finally will get the chance.


Try to watch Bhagyavathy. It is one film many have not seen. Would like to know about the movie. :shock:
that will mean SIX hours of non stop watching.
:omg:


:sigh2: what all I have to do to please friends. :lol2:

joe
1st October 2007, 01:13 PM
NT stills from SivanthamaN
http://sivaji-ganesan.blogspot.com/

NOV
1st October 2007, 01:21 PM
Murali,

Name of the film: Bhagyavathi
Direction: L.V. Prasad
Year: 1957
Production: Ravi Production
Music: K.V. Mahadevan
Sivaji Ganesan, Padmini, M.N. Rajam

sankara1970
1st October 2007, 01:23 PM
VAZGA SIVAJI PUGAZ

PAR POTRUM ENGAL SIVAJI YE

NEE KATTIYA PATHAIYIL SELVOM

NALAI ENGAL KAIGALIL

UYIR ULLA VARAI UNNAI NINAITHIRUPOM

VAZGA SIVAJI !

Murali Srinivas
1st October 2007, 01:32 PM
Joe,

Thanks for that beautiful stills from Sivandha Man(n) and Rojavin Raja. A good treat on NT's birthday.

NOV,

Summa 6 hours paarunga. Post pannuga.

BTW, when you mentioned "Theru Paarka Vandhirukkum chithira Penne" , there is another NT song similar to the above. "Theru Vandhadhu Polirundhadhu Nee Vandha Pothu". It is from Anbalippu for NT - SaroDevi. It has two other good songs like "Valli Malai Mankutty Enge pore(i)" and "En Veshaporutham eppadi irukku,vivaram solluda thambi" (NT- Jai).

Joe, you were asking about the details of the procession. NOV has given that news. The untold part is EVKS Elangovan is flagging off that rally.

Regards

NOV
1st October 2007, 01:34 PM
This one is from my songbook

Name of the film: Manidhanum Deivamaagalaam
Sivaji Ganesan (iru vEdangal), Sowkar Janaki, Usha Nandhini, MRR Vasu, Sugumaari, etc
Production: Vijaya Vel Films
Lyrics: Kannadhasan
Music: Kunnakudi Vaidhyanathan
Direction: P. Madhavan

Songs:
1. paal pongum paruvam, adhil naan thangum idhayam, kanavum ninaivum manadhil malarum by TMS & PS

2. vaazhkkaiyE bOthai naadagam, vaalibam kaadhal by TMS & Group

3. vetrivEl vellumadaa vinai theerppaan vElanadaa (iraivan aalum ulagam endraal Ezhaigalai En padaiththaan) by SG & TMS

4. kaavalukku vElundu aadalukku mayilundu kOvilukku porulennadaa kumaraa nee irukkum idamthaanadaa - SG

5. ennadaa thamizh kumaraa, ennai nee marandhaayO by SG.

NOV
1st October 2007, 01:44 PM
VAZGA SIVAJI PUGAZ
PAR POTRUM ENGAL SIVAJI YE
NEE KATTIYA PATHAIYIL SELVOM
NALAI ENGAL KAIGALIL
UYIR ULLA VARAI UNNAI NINAITHIRUPOM
VAZGA SIVAJI !1 & 2 okay
3 enna? avar enna vazhi kaattinaar? :huh:
4. naalai enna naalai indru kooda namadhuthaan :D
5. :notthatway:

NOV
1st October 2007, 01:56 PM
Summa 6 hours paarunga. Post pannuga.
ungal kattalaippadiyE seigirEn. :bow:

crajkumar_be
1st October 2007, 02:38 PM
குருவின் குரு செவாலியே சிவாஜி கணேசன் அய்யாவின் நினைவில் :notworthy:

joe
1st October 2007, 02:54 PM
குருவின் குரு செவாலியே சிவாஜி கணேசன் அய்யாவின் நினைவில் :notworthy:

:D :D

joe
1st October 2007, 03:56 PM
மக்கள் திலகம் -சில நிகழ்வுகளின் வீடியோ காட்சித் தொகுப்பு.

* மக்கள் திலகத்துக்கு டாக்டர் பட்டம் கிடைத்ததற்காக நடந்த பாராட்டு விழாவில் கட்டி அணைக்கும் மக்கள் திலகமும் நடிகர் திலகமும்.

* ஜல்லிக்கட்டு பட வெற்றி விழாவில் நடிகர் திலகத்துக்கு மக்கள் திலகம் அளித்த அன்பு முத்தம் (மக்கள் திலகத்தின் கடைசி நிகழ்ச்சி)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm1XrFoco6A

joe
1st October 2007, 04:11 PM
ஸ்டைல் சக்கரவர்த்தி

NOV, Groucho,

குறிப்பா உங்களுக்கு நடிகர் திலகத்தின் பிறந்தநாள் பரிசு.

நடிகர் திலகம் கலக்கிய 'கவுரவம்"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBiowVOo1Q

"நடக்குறதும் பாரதம் இல்ல .நானும் துரோணர் இல்ல"

joe
1st October 2007, 04:24 PM
More Stills from kaikoduththa Deivam ,Paar magaLe paar etc

http://nadigarthilagam.blogspot.com/2007/09/sivaji-1.html

crajkumar_be
1st October 2007, 09:57 PM
Watching Devar Magan...

Beyond words as Chevalier drains out words from us in this heart wrenching performance in a role, written almost to perfection by his protege :notworthy:

I already miss his classics (Andha Naal is due from Joe :razz: shortly)

NOV
2nd October 2007, 06:29 AM
குறிப்பா உங்களுக்கு நடிகர் திலகத்தின் பிறந்தநாள் பரிசு.youtube is banned in my office. :ty: nevertheless.
the scene you have mentioned is however forever etched in my mind. :D

nEththu non stop 6 hours viewing. :shock: i think this is a first for me. bhaagivadhy is worth watching, but manidhanum deivamaagalaam is worth its weight in gold. :clap:

joe
2nd October 2007, 08:13 AM
அரசியலில் நடிக்க தெரியாததால் சிவாஜி ஜெயிக்க முடியவில்லை சோ பேச்சு

சென்னை :""அரசியலில் சிவாஜிகணேசனுக்கு நடிக்க தெரியாததால் ஜெயிக்க முடியவில்லை,'' என்று துக்ளக் ஆசிரியர் சோ கூறினர்.

சிவாஜி பிரபு அறக்கட்டளையின் சார்பில் சிவாஜிகணேசனின் 79ம் ஆண்டு பிறந்த நாளையொட்டி திரையுலகில் அவருடன் பணியாற்றிவர்களை கவுரவித்து அவர்களுக்கு "டாக்டர் சிவாஜி நினைவுப் பரிசு' வழங்கும் நிகழ்ச்சி நேற்று இரவு சென்னையில் நடந்தது. இவ்விழாவை மத்திய மனிதவள மேம்பாட்டு துறை இணை அமைச்சர் புரந்தரேஸ்வரி துவக்கி வைத்தார். பழம்பெரும் நடிகைகள் எஸ்.வரலட்சுமி, எம்.என்.ராஜம் மற்றும் சிவாஜியின் மேக்கப்மேன் நடராஜன் ஆகியோருக்கு "டாக்டர் சிவாஜி நினைவு விருது' வழங்கி பாராட்டி பேசும் போது,""சிவாஜியின் குடும்பம் எங்கள் சொந்தக் குடும்பம் மாதிரி மதிக்கிறோம். எனது குடும்பத்தில் உள்ளவர்களாக அண்ணன் ராம்குமாரையும்,பிரபுவையும் நினைக்கிறேன். சிவாஜியின் பிறந்த நாள் விழாவில் கலந்து கொண்டு அவரது நினைவாக பரிசு வழங்குவதில் சந்தோஷப்படுகிறேன்,'' என்றார்.

இநது ஆசிரியர் ராம்:விழாவில் இந்து நாளிதழின் ஆசிரியர் ராம் சிவாஜியின் "சுயசரிதை' ஆங்கிலப் புத்தகத்தை வெளியிட்டு பேசும் போது,"" அவரது நடிப்பை பார்த்து வசன உச்சரிப்பை பார்த்து அசந்து போனேன். நட்புக்கு சிறந்து எடுத்துக்காட்டு சிவாஜிகணேசன். சிவாஜிகணேசன் கருணாநிதி நட்பை கூட உதாரணமாக சொல்லலாம். இவர்கள் இருவரும் அரசியலில் வெவ்வேறு திசையில் பயணம் செய்த போதும், இவர்களது நட்புக்கு குந்தகம் ஏற்படும் சூழ்நிலைகள் வந்த போதும் கூட இருவரும் நட்புக்கு பாத்திரமாக திகழ்ந்தனர். நட்பு வலிமையானது. சிவாஜி பிரபு அறக்கட்டளையின் மூலம் நிறைய சேவை செய்யப்பட வேண்டும்,'' என்றார்.

துக்ளக் ஆசிரியர் சோ:விழாவில் கலந்து கொண்டு துக்ளக் ஆசிரியர் சோ பேசும் போது,"" என்னுடைய"யாருக்கும் வெட்கமில்லை' நாடகத்தை பார்த்துவிட்டு சிவாஜிகணேசன் பாராட்டினார். நீ மேடையில் பேசினாலே நிறைய வரவேற்பு கிடைக்கிறது. நடிக்க வந்தால் என்னாகும் என்றார். சிவாஜியை போல நடிக்கவும், பேசவும் உலகத்தில் எந்த நடிகருக்கும் இல்லை. கேமரா முன்பு தான் சிவாஜியால் நடிக்க முடியும். கேமரா இல்லாவிட்டால் நடிக்க தெரியாது. சிவாஜி மனதில் பட்டதை சொன்னார். அரசியலில் சிவாஜியால் நடிக்க தெரியாததால் ஜெயிக்க முடியவில்லை,'' என்றார். விழாவில் சிவாஜியின் மூத்தமகன் ராம்குமார் பேசும் போது,""நாகர்கோவில், சேலம், திருச்சி, மதுரை, தஞ்சை ஆகிய இடங்களில் சிவாஜிக்கு சிலை வைக்கப்படவும், அடுத்த ஆண்டு 80வது பிறந்த நாள் விழாவை தமிழகம் முழுவதும் சிறப்பாக கொண்டாடவும் முடிவு செய்திருக்கிறோம்,'' என்றார்.நிகழ்ச்சிகளை நடிகர் ஒய்.ஜி.மகேந்திரன் தொகுத்து வழங்கினார்.

முடிவில் நடிகர் பிரபு நன்றி கூறினார்.

http://www.dinamalar.com/2007oct02/general_tn15.asp

joe
2nd October 2007, 08:15 AM
[tscii:27261ce0b6]சிவாஜிகணேசன் சிலைக்கு முதல்வர் ரங்கசாமி மரியாதை

புதுச்சேரி: நடிகர் சிவாஜி கணேசனின் பிறந்த நாளை முன்னிட்டு கருவடிக்குப்பம் ஈ.சி.ஆரில் உள்ள அவரது சிலைக்கு முதல்வர் ரங்கசாமி மாலை அணிவித்தார்.

மறைந்த நடிகர் சிவாஜியின் பிறந்த நாள் நேற்று கொண்டாடப்பட்டது. கருவடிக்குப்பம் ஈ.சி.ஆரில் உள்ள சிவாஜி சிலைக்கு முதல்வர் ரங்கசாமி, சபாநாயகர் ராதாகிருஷ்ணன் ஆகியோர் மாலை அணிவித்தனர்.சிவாஜிபிரபு மன்றத்தின் சார்பில் அமைப்பாளர் சுந்தரமூர்த்தி தலைமையில் நிர்வாகிகள் சிவாஜி சிலைக்கு மாலை அணிவித்தனர். பிறந்த நாள் விழாவினை முன்னிட்டு குமரகுருபள்ளம், கருவடிக்குப்பம், கோவிந்தசாலை, பிள்ளைச்சாவடி ஆகிய இடங்களில் அன்னதானம் வழங்கப்பட்டது.இதேபோல பிரெஞ்சிந்திய புதுச்சேரி பிரதேச விடுதலைக் கால மக்கள் நல நற்பணி இயக்கத் தலைவர் சிவராஜ் தலைமையில் நிர்வாகிகள் சிவாஜி சிலைக்கு மாலை அணிவித்தனர். நுõற்றுக்கும் மேற்பட்ட ஏழைகளுக்கு அன்னதானம் வழங்கினர்.

http://www.dinamalar.com/2007oct02/general_ind9.asp[/tscii:27261ce0b6]

NOV
2nd October 2007, 10:07 AM
Bhagiyavathy

Somu (Sivaji) is a petty thief and joins with OAK and team members to pickpocket at the kovil thiruvizha (in madurai :D ) Somu's mother locks him in a room, but he cleverly escapes, picks and then gets caught by the police. He is jailed for 3 months and mother dies unable to take the shock.

We then learn that Somu is married to Meena (Padmini) who has left him to stay with her brother. Singarapatti Sankaran (a very young and handsome Thangavelu) was in love with Meena but with her marriage now takes her as his sister and slaves over her. :roll:

Sankaran tries all means to bring Somu to Meena enticing him with money, but Somu goes over to Bama (MN Rajam) daughter of OAK and sings neeyE kanavu raani. (AMR?)

Sankaran then brings Meena to Madurai and prepares her for Somu with pombalainga therinju kollanum (SC Krishnan)
Somu refuses to accept Meena but Sankaran doesnt give up. He buys jewellery for her and it appears that Somu is showing interest on Meena, but then alas, it is the jewelerry that he is after. His interest is entirely on Bama - arumbu malarndhu asaindhaadum azhagai paaraiyya.

Somu steals again and is jailed one year. A frustrated Meena goes back to her brothers house and gives birth to a boy Ravi. Once out of jail Somu goes back to Bama. Sanakaran dresses up like a jamindar and pretends to fall for Bama and sings kannai vettaathE chummaa kannai vettaathE - -SCK
Finally he convinces Somu to go back to Meena and her son.

Somu promises to turn over a new leaf. Deepavali approaches and they dont have money. Meena gives Rs25 to Somu and asks him to buy some clothes. Somu is unable to buy with that amount of money and steals sarees, and other dresses. Soon police knock on the door and he is arrested and as a hard core thief imprisoned for 13 years!

Meena is devastated and moves houses. Sankaran tries to bribe the cops to release Somu and gets imprisoned instead. Ravi grows up in one song - aasai kiliyE azhagu silaiyE thoongadaa.

After Sankaran's release he tries to find Meena. Soon Somu too gets released and is determined to be a reformed man. But old habits die hard and he steals a harmonica from a small boy little realising that it is his own son!

His own son is a boy of solid principles and hates liars and thieves. Without the beard and dirty clothes, Somu enters Meena's house and is shocked to discover his son (who does not recognise him). He claims to be a friend of Ravi's father!

What happens next? Will Ravi accept Somu as his father? Can Somu abstain from his old habit? Is there hope for the family?

You have to go through two more songs : vaazhvadhu nalvaazhvadhu kandathE and ellOrum unnai nallavanendru kondaada vEndumadaa before the 3-hour story ends. :D

Film shares many similarities with Raththa Kanneer especially the plot of a no-gooder who is married but prefers kaanththaa, errrr MN Rajam to his wife. :D
Sivaji must be comended for taking such a negative role with nil heroism.
But in the climax he speaks non stop for 10 mins while the villains wait for him to finish his dialogue. kodumai! :oops:

otherwise Bhagyavadhy is a family entertainer with very restrained acting.

Murali Srinivas
2nd October 2007, 03:08 PM
[tscii:4703f4c81d]Yesterday Oct 1st being NT’s birthday, the Sivaji – Prabhu Charities has arranged a function to honour veteran artists and release the English edition of NT’s autobiography. The venue was Music Academy and the function was slated to begin at 6.30 PM. When I reached the venue at 6 PM, there was a large crowd and it was surprising that so many people had turned up in spite of non availability of buses in view of the Bandh. The Hall was two tiered and all the seats in both the floors were occupied. Fans have come out from Vellore, Kanchipuram, Bangalore and even from Nagercoil – Kanyakumari.

The screen went up at the start of the function and at the same time the two screens kept at both sides of the screen came to Life showing NT’s photograph. At the backdrop of the stage there was the Banner saying Nadigar Thilagathin 79 –vathu Pirandha Naal -01.10.2007 with a close up shot of NT’s face. On the stage were seated Ramkumar, Prabhu, Union Minister for State Ms.Purandheswari and Cho. YG Mahendra was the compere. YGM came to the mike. The front side of the stand on which the mike was mounted had a portrait of NT as Chatrapathi Sivaji with a garland on it.

YGM announced Irai Vanakkam and punctuated with a comment Ithu Tamizhagathirukku Sivaji-yai kodutharkkaga Iraivanukku nandri sollum paadal.
After Irai Vanakkam, all the guests were honoured by Mr.Bhoominathan, the President of Akila Indhya Sivaji Rasigar Mandram.

YGM announced that N.Ram of Hindu is on the way and called upon Thalapathi Ramkumar to deliver the welcome address. Ramkumar came to the mike and welcomed the chief guest. It turned out that the union minister Ms.Purandheswari is the daughter of NTR and she grew up in Chennai and studied at Church Park along with Then Mozhi, NT’s daughter and Kannama, wife of Ramkumar. Ramkumar went on saying that she is more of a daughter to NT and a sister to him. He said that the aim of the trust was to help the downtrodden and poor of the society and in addition to honouring the veterans of the cine field who worked with NT, the trust also does social service. The trust had adopted a middle school at Pappan chathiram, a village in Poonthamalli High Road in Tiruvalluvar district. During the 200th day celebration of Chandramuki, the trust in coordination with rotary club of Madras had given Rs 2 Lakhs and now they are giving one more Lakh rupees for the same school. Ramkumar also thanked the fans who had come from far and near and told them that the next function will be the NT statue unveiling at Madurai followed by statues unveiling at Salem, Tiruchy, Tanjore and Nagercoil. He also said next year being NT’s 80th birthday, they are going to celebrate on a mammoth scale where the entire Tamilnadu would be involved. He finished his speech with a punch “Nammuduya Kaalam koodiya viraivil varum. Athu varai porumaiyaga iruppom” which sent the crowd into raptures. YGM added that NT statue is required in every town so that the present day actors can improve themselves. By this time Mr.N.Ram had arrived.

YGM then announced that Ms.Purandheswari would be honoured and he told the audience an interesting episode involving her. While they were students at church Park, they were taken to Karnan. The next day NT’s daughter Thenmozhi decided to play a joke on her and so went and told everyone that Puran’s father NTR who acted as Lord Krishna was responsible for Karnan’s death and so no one should speak to her. It so happened that no girl spoke to her the whole day and she was literally in tears. She went home and when NTR came back from shooting, she told him the whole story. NTR could not convince her. The next day NTR came to school and spoke to her classmates and said sorry it seems. Having said this YGM called upon Ms.Kannama Ramkumar, Ms.Punitha Prabhu and Ms.Anuradha Giri to come to the stage and honour the minister. She was presented with a silk shawl and a big memento having NT’s photograph.

Next it was the turn of veterans to be honoured. First to be called up was Ms.S.Varalakshmi and the screens went on showing clippings of Varalakshmi with NT. It started with Tigu tigu song from VPKB and changed to Sakthivadivana vetri vadivelanai and then we could see the scene where NT is sent off to the warfront with a aarathi. When NT started “Neela vanathile oru chekkar pizhampu pol – “the fans went berserk. Then the scene changed to Raja Raja Chozhan where NT on his birthday (Rajarajan’s birthday) would seek blessings from her sister for which Varalakshmi would reply “ Dharmathai kappatharkaga andha deivame neril vandha avatharamappa nee” . With the sound reaching crescendo the screen went off and S.Varalakshmi walked into the stage helped by Prabhu. The minister presented her with the shawl, memento and a cheque.

The second one to be called up was M.N.Rajam (YGM comment: Tamizh-yai sariyaga ucharikka therindhavar) and the screen again went on. It started with “ Kokkaro Kokkaroko Sevalae” from Pathi Bakthi and the decibel level increased when “Mayangukiral oru Madhu” started and when NT turns Savithiri’s photo away from the bed and walks back and when the party scene was shown where MNN introduces MNR to NT, the level become more higher and higher and when two charanams of “Pattondru kettan “ was screened showing NT on the piano, the entire back rows erupted and it was joy all round making YG comment “ 46 varushathirukku appruamum ippadi oru rection irukku-na, ithu ethanai varusham analum ippadiyethan irukkum.” M.N.Rajam came to the stage and she was also honoured the same way.

The third recipient was Mr.P.S.Nadarajan and he who started his career with NT at Bala Gana Sabha later became his costume designer and was there with him for 60 years and still serves at Sivaji Productions. For him the clipping started and My God it made the crowd go wild. Whoever had the editing has a good taste, I thought. It started with Easanadi potri showing NT as Shiva in Thiruvilayadal and the background song changed to Mannavan Vandhanadi, the majestic walk was shown. Without changing the song , the scene changed and the graceful father was walking down the steps followed by Kannan the unfortunate son and Vijayan the sophisticated son walking in to pick up the blank cheque. The Mannavan changed into Appar and Lord Shiva danced Rudhra Thandavam and when the viragu vetti walked away with honours after singing Pattum Naane we were treated to the fisherman walk and then you saw Mr.Gopal pleading please to make SaroDevi to sing Unnai Ondru ketpen again followed by that white and white walk of Aha mella nada . And when the Barrister Rajnikanth opened the door and came in everybody went out of their control. When the Surya putran next walked in and sat in the Simhasanam to hear Mazhai koukkum Kodai , the crowd refused to sit down and the fans from Bangalore were vociferous to the core. Neeyum Naanuma with King George followed and when the Mannavan Vandhaanadi song ended, it took another 5 minutes to restore normalcy to the crowd. Everyone was so emotional and charged up. Mr.Nadarajan came to the stage and he was presented with the memento, shawl and cash cheque.

Then the Minister was called up to present the Rs 1 Lakh cheque to the Pappan chathiram school. Clippings were shown how the school was there before, even without basic facilities and the changes that had come about now. The Rotary club president collected the cheque. Next the English edition of the Autobiography was released by N.Ram and received by Cho. The person who wrote this book Mr.T.S.Narayanaswamy and the English translator Ms.Sabitha Radhakrishnan, the publishers and the distributors were all honoured by the trust.

To be continued

Regards[/tscii:4703f4c81d]

joe
2nd October 2007, 04:13 PM
When the Surya putran next walked in and sat in the Simhasanam to hear Mazhai koukkum Kodai , the crowd refused to sit down and the fans from Bangalore were vociferous to the core. Neeyum Naanuma with King George followed and when the Mannavan Vandhaanadi song ended, it took another 5 minutes to restore normalcy to the crowd.

படிக்கிற எனக்கே உணர்ச்சி வெள்ளத்திலிருந்து வெளியே வர 10 நிமிடம் ஆச்சு :D

what a narration ,Murali Sir :thumbsup:

Murali Srinivas
2nd October 2007, 05:02 PM
[tscii:ad91da815f]NT Birthday Function contd


The Union Minister came to the mike and she apologized for not speaking in Tamil as she was not fluent with it. She recalled the days when she used to be at Annai Illam and she fondly remembered Appa asking her to dance. He used to compliment her when she finished and to just hear him say Sabash, she would dance. After marriage she moved to Hyderabad but she would find time to come down to Chennai and spend a whole day along with Appa and Kamala amma. The Minister without notes recalled the financial contributions made by NT to national causes, starting from 1962 Indo- China war, the 1965 and 1971 Pakistan wars and the amount of Rs 2 Lakhs NT gave to Indira Gandhi in 1972 for building houses for homeless people at Delhi, she was reeling of statistics which made even Ramkumar and Prabhu look at her with astonishment. She was also recollecting the bond that existed between her father and NT. She spoke of the characters that NT had played and remembered NT replying to criticisms about over acting “Acting itself is unnatural”. She said that the power packed performances will live for ever and she thanked her brothers Ram and Prabhu for giving this opportunity to her.

Her pointing out the charity acts done by NT prompted YGM to remark “Avar niraya Dhanam panniyirukkar. Dharmam Panniyirukkar. Aanal Vilambaram illamal panniyirukirar. Andha tradition-ai avardhu arumai magangal pin thodarkirargal”.
YGM announced that normally the recipients do not speak on the occasion but M.N.Rajam wanted to say a few words. Rajam came to the mike and said that Sivaji is a Baghyavan. In Life one cannot get all that one wants and even if somebody gets it his near and dear may not be there to see that. But NT attained all a man could achieve and that was witnessed by his parents, brothers, sister, wife, sons, daughters and grand children and to receive an award named after such a person is itself a Bagyam for me, she noted.

Next one to come to mike was N.Ram.

Ram also spoke mostly in English with intermittent Tamil. He confessed that he is not a avid cinema watcher and so he is not skilled enough to comment on NT. Though he has moved with him, his uncle S.Rangarajan (who produced Gowravam) had a close relationship with NT. But what he had observed was the sincerity and dedication he had brought to his profession and that was remarkable. The second point was the power packed performances and his ability to get under the skin of any character. Ram informed that Cho was telling him that if one word could convey about NT’s acting prowess it was versatility and Ram wondered if a single Tamil word could be substituted for that. The third point was the way NT respected friendship. He was such a warmth person who could keep the friendship going in spite of political or ideological differences and the best example for this could be the friendship he maintained with the present TN CM MuKa. Ram said he wanted to know more about this person and the autobiography should help him to find out. He complimented Ramkumar and Prabhu for organizing the function efficiently with the time consciousness and finished his speech.

YGM requested Cho to come and before that he recalled that in 1961 his father was conducting the play Petralthan Pillaiya and NT had come for watching the play. After the play was over NT went to green room and told “ YGP, indha kadhai-yai enkitta koduthiru apprum indha mechanic madasamy-ya vandhane avan-yum koduthiru” . The play became Paar Magale Paar and Cho made his debut with it. With this he made way for Cho.

Cho started in his usual style. “ Ram Sivaji-yai patri pesa thaguthi illai endrar. Sivaji nadippai vimarsikka thaguthi paartha indha ulagathile orutharalum mudiyathu. Ini oruthan pirandhudhan varanum. Naan-ellam thaguthi paartha vimarsanam panren. Appadi paartha naan endha vishyathai patriyum comment adikka mudiyathu.” He said that deserving yesteryear artists are being honoured. About Varalakshmi ”avanga paadi nadikka koodiyavanga. Indha kaalathile heroine pesuvathe periya saadhanai”. About M.N.Rajam, Cho said “ Thuglak padikkira ore nadigai M.N.Rajam than. Avangalukku politics-le avvalavu interest. Indira Gandhi-yode periya fan. Indira seyyarathu ellam correct-impanga. Naan Jayaprakash Narayan-ai support panni ezhuthi iruppen. Adhanale ivangalukkum JP appadi-nu peyar vachen. JP-na Jenma Pagai. Ithile innoru vishyam ennana Thuglak padikiravanga yaarume athai othukiradhillai enbatharkku evanga oru sirandha utharanam” Cho set the crowd into laughter. He continued “ Nadarajanai pidicha pothum Sivaji-kitte enna kariyam vena sadhichukalam”.

Cho recalled that NT had a very sharp sense of humour laced with sarcasm and he had been at the receiving end many a times. He particularly remembered NT coming and seeing his play “Yaarukkum Vetkamillai”. He was there for the full time and the next day Cho had a shooting with NT. Cho was called to the make up room where NT was doing make up and the director, producer were also there. NT casually told him “un kadhai athukku poruthamana vasanam ellame nalla irundhuchu”. Cho was on cloud nine. Leaving a gap NT continued ” Neenga ellam summa vandhu ninna pothe nadagam nalla irundhuchu-na, neengalam nadichiengana evvaluvu nalla irukkum” .Cho was lost for words. “ Naan immediate ellorukkum badhil solliduven. Aana avarkitte enna badhil solrathu-ne theriyale. Enda avarai parka vandhom –nu ayiduchu.” .


Cho elaborated further on this when he recalled NT’s comments when Cho was about to launch Thuglak. “ Kurangu kallaiyum kudichitu athai Thelum kotti, athu kai-ile oru poo maalai-yum kodutha eppadi irukkum? Adhu madhiri than un kai-ile pathirikai”. After some months when Cho asked him “Ippo eppadi irukku?” Udane NT “appadiye than irukku”. Once when AVM Saravanan asked him why he always made fun of Cho, NT replied “Avanai pathi enakku theriyum. Ennai pathi avanukkum theriyum”

Cho further said that he was discussing about VPKB with NT once and NT told him that he would show another method of acting for the same scene which was shown earlier. He spoke in a voice which would be audible only to the person sitting next to him but Cho was astonished by the way he delivered. “enakku appadiye pullarichu pochu”. He also recalled the different walks he showed for different characters and said nobody can even imagine doing them. It was God’s gift and Saraswathy Kadatcham was there for him 100%. His only weakness was if you take away the camera he cannot act. “Ellathaiyum open-aga pesiduvar. Adhanaldhan avar politics-le vetri pera mudiyavillai. Sondha pondatity kitte-ye nadikanum. Appathan politics-le jeyikka mudiyum. Avar nermaiyaga irundhar.Unmaiyaga irundhar. Adhanal vetri pera mudiyavillai” . For this the whole crowd gave a standing ovation.

Cho said that he had not seen sons like Ramkumar and Prabhu anywhere. “Avangalai madhiri mariyathai therinjavangalai naan paarthathe illai. Ippadi oru rendu pillaingaali avar koduthutu poyirukirar. Sadharanama konjam panam pugazh vandhale mandai garvam vandhudum. Ivvalavu paarthatharkku pinnalaeyum avanga kaatra madhippu mariyadhai romba sirappanadhu. I wish hem all success”. With that Cho signed off.

Now it was vote of thanks and Ilaya Thilagam Prabhu came to the mike. He thanked all the chief guests and he was particulary emotional about Purandheswari and recalled that she still calls him Anna and she never behaves like a Union Minister. He said Cho is a well wisher of his family and he always had good will for NT. He thanked Ram and the veterans and turned to the fans. “Neenga illai-na naangaellam illai. Appa poi 6 varusham achu. Aana avar mela neenga vachirukira anbu koodikittathan varuthu. Enakku theriyum innikku vandhadhu quarter dhan. Sivaji padai fulla vandha athirumille. Viraivil indha muzhu padai-yum varum. Neenga ellam engolode irukira varaikkum naanga nalla iruppom. Eppavum ungalode dhan iruppom. Adutha varusham pramadhama irukkum.” He concluded his speech.

It was time for National Anthem and the function ended with a big Jaihind from the fans.

Like last year the Kolapodi specialist Kalimuthu from Aruppukottai had shown his skills on the floor and this time it was SP. Choudry looking at you with his piercing eyes. Man! This guy is blessed with talent. It was so real.

As usual Prabhu and Ramkumar found it very difficult to wade thro’ the fans. They smilingly obliged everyone before moving away.

For me again it was an opportunity to travel down the memory lane and relish the present


Regards

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Murali Srinivas
2nd October 2007, 05:31 PM
One thing I forgot to mention was the editing for the clippings shown at the function was done by Ilaya Thilagam Prabhu, which was announced by GM at the end. A very good work.

This year there has been many functions in association with NT's birthday. On 30th Sunday, the Rotary club gave away Sivaji awards. Yesterday the Sivaji Samooha Peravai conducted a rally. Evening the Sivaji - Prabhu trust organised the function. Today evening the Congress has arranged a function to give Sivaji awards(receipents not known) which would be done by EVKS Elangovan in the presence of Ramkumar.

Good that many functions are organised.

NOV,

Thanks a lot for Bhagiyavathy. Expecting Manidhanum Deivamagalam.

Regards

NOV
2nd October 2007, 07:58 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

enna oru narration! :D
murali, will do MD later - i loved the film so much and Groucho and I were exchanging sms savouring the film. tring tring :lol:

NOV
2nd October 2007, 08:00 PM
Murali, do check out MoY section... a sample....

About Punarjanmam
I can never forget this film as this was the first Sivaji Ganesan starred movie I saw in my first visit to Tamilnaadu in 1977. There used to be a theatre called LIBERTY, on the other side of the KOdambakkam bridge. Every Friday they used to start screening one old movie. Upon seeing the poster in Pondy Bazar in T-Nagar, I walked (half ran) all the way to this theatre. It was here that I saw how much the Tamil movie goers apprectiated inch by inch the acting of the greatest actor Sivaji Ganesan. There is one scene in this song, where Sivaji sits on a bridge, wearing cooling glass. He gives a pose with a pleasant smile, which no one else could simply emulate. Everyone in the theatre applauded, and I too unconciously joined them. He has gone!

tacinema
2nd October 2007, 09:59 PM
Murali,

Beautiful and a very moving narration. When it comes to NT and NT related, you are absolutely in a different league.

Please keep it up.
Migavum Nandri

sivank
2nd October 2007, 11:30 PM
Wonderful narration Murali. I wish I was there. I hope I could join you for the 80 th birthday celebrations of NT. To go alone is onething to enjoy it with someone who really loves it is another thing. Really Great narration.

Regards
Sivan

NOV
3rd October 2007, 02:29 PM
Posting the Kolapodi oviyam which adorned the floor of the function venue described by Murali above. (pix provided by Murali)



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saradhaa_sn
3rd October 2007, 06:11 PM
டியர் முரளி,

அந்த விழாவுக்கு நானும் என் கணவரும் வந்திருந்தோம். உண்மையிலேயே உணர்ச்சி பூர்வமான விழா அது. அதைப்பற்றி விரிவாக எழுதலாம் என்று நினைத்திருந்தேன். அதற்கு முன் நீங்கள் மிக அற்புதமாக எழுதி விட்டீர்கள்.

ஒன்று மட்டும் உண்மை. நான் எழுதியிருந்தால், நீங்கள் எழுதியவற்றில் பாதியளவு கூட எழுதியிருக்க முடியாது. அந்த அளவுக்கு அந்த விழாவை அப்படியே கண்முன் கொண்டு வந்து நிறுத்திவிட்டீர்கள். எனக்கே மீண்டும் அந்த அரங்கில் அமர்ந்து இன்னொரு முறை விழாவை கண்டு களித்தது போல இருந்தது. சென்ற ஆண்டும் வந்திருந்தேன். அவரது ஒவ்வொரு விழா முடிந்து வெளியே வரும்போதும் திரும்ப திரும்ப என் மனதை பிசைவது ஒன்றுதான். அந்த 2001 ஜூலை 21 ஏன் வந்தது என்பதுதான்.

Murali Srinivas
3rd October 2007, 07:34 PM
Dear Saradhaa,

Thanks. Neengal vandheergala? Where did you sit? If I had known that you had come, could have met you. I was sitting in the 6th or 7th row from the stage on the right side of the auditorium.

NOV - Thanks for scanning and posting and thanks for compliments. Regarding MoY, I regularly visit that section and saw Manisekharan's comment in Onne Onnu thread.

tac,

Nandri. NT and related things - romba santhoshamana vishyangal.

Sivan,

Thanks. Yes it would have been great if you had joined me. Hope next year you make it. Promises to be exciting.

Joe,

Thanks. Nijamagave vegu natkalukku piraku naane en nilai marandhu unarchivasappatten andha clippings paarkum pothu.

Regards

NOV
4th October 2007, 08:29 AM
Manidhanum Deivamaagalaam

Sivaji takes on two roles in this film examining the age old argument of theism vs atheism. Revisiting the film now is very appropriate what with the controversy surrounding the Sethu Ram project. :roll:

On the one hand we have Kumarayya who is the local temple priest and even holds conversations behind locked doors, with Muruga (to the rational - it is to be assumed that it is his imagination.)

And on the other hand we have Sundaram who is introduced riding a train, reading a book on Periyar! He is returning to his village after being jailed for burning the Ramayana!!!!

The classic stage is set.
But the film does not preach. It will appeal to both the theist and the athiest - in a very light hearted manner. Dont expect heavy discussions or examination.

Sundram is classic Sivaji - all his kindals and jollus are the predecessor to similar stuff by Sathyaraj and co today. :)
Usha Nandhini comes and goes. :roll: Sowcar Janaki is.... Sowcar. :thumbsup:

MRR Vaasu is great as the holy but wicked pannayar. parangikkaa is his downfall. :lol:
VK Ramasamy is another holy man who collects bribes in all dealings - tring tring. :rotfl:
Sugumari, mother of UshaN, comes as a naive, goody, godly person.

Generally, it shows that not all godly persons are good and neither are all non-believers evil. There are good people like Kumarayya and Sundaram too - both at different ends of extremes.

The climax is :thumbsup: Kumarayya issues a challenge and says if there is God, He will show himself on a certain day at an appointed time. Sundaram wants to prove him wrong. The day arrives but Muruga doesnt show up (ennadaa thamizh kumaraa ennai nee marandhaaiyO). Kumarayya is humiliated and is about to end his life when lo behold something extraordinary happens!

In the end, both Kumarayya and Sundaram are happy with the outcome and the audience, both thiest and atheist, are satisfied! :clap: :clap: :clap:

A film very much ahead of its time!

NOV
4th October 2007, 10:45 AM
Sivaji Films on Astro Vellithirai today :D:D:D

SADHANAI
Time: 7:00:00 AM
Synopsis: Shivaji plays a dedicated movie director who goes against all odds to direct and produce his dream movie. Stars K.R. Vijaya, Nalini.


BAAGA PIRIVINAI
Time: 10:30:00 AM
Synopsis: Director Bhimsingh's beautifully directed classic family fare which revolves around Ponggal festival. An all star cast filled with evergreen songs.


KEEL VANAM SIVAKKUM
Time: 2:30:00 PM
Synopsis: Dr Dhuvaraganath who runs a free eye clinic later faces difficult challenges when his daughter-in-law is diagnosed with a incurable disease. Stars Sivaji Ganesan.

IRU METHAIGAL
Time: 6:00:00 PM
Synopsis: Massive confusion takes place when kidnapper Balaraman abducts a car thief without knowing the identity of the thief. Cast: Sivaji Ganesan, Nambiar & Saritha.

And tomorrow:

THILANA MOHANAMBAL
Date: Friday, October 05, 2007
Time: 10:30:00 AM
Synopsis: A classic tale about a love affair between a Bharathanatyam exponent, Mohana and a Nadaswaram vidwan, Shanmugha Sundra. Starring Shivaji Ganesan & Padmini.

:D:D:D

Murali Srinivas
4th October 2007, 08:21 PM
Thanks NOV for the write up on MD. Kindles my interest as again it is ages since I last saw the movie. Let me check.

You people seem to be having a whale of time thanks to Astro. Same manner Raj TV had announced that this entire October month is going to be NT month with minimum one NT film a day. Unfortunately it is in the afternoon. What to do?

Regards

joe
6th October 2007, 08:51 AM
Raaga.com -NT birthday spl

NT songs collection

http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/actors/Sivaji_Ganesan.html

P_R
9th October 2007, 01:24 PM
I happened to be in KOdambakkam area yesterday and chanced upon a curious bunch of booklets in a pettikkadai in Arcot Road: AvanthAn manithan SivAji ninaivukaL.

A pack of three booklets (about 8 pages each) for Rs 10 ! Each with SivAji still. Two of them I couldn't place, while one of them had the lovely Uthama Puthiran clap pose (in colour !!)

It didn't have any dates so I am not sure if it is a fan club periodical (it said it was owned and published by one S.V.Jeyababu of Choolaimedu).

Each one had some old pics and release-time posters. Then for some 2-3 movies there was a list cast and crew and an outline of the story. I finally got a chance to read about ThirumbippAr (a movie I have a heard about a lot but have not had the chance to see yet). There were also some personal accounts by SivAji and people close to him.

Most (all?) of the contents were from magazines of the yesteryears which made it all the more interesting.

Two highlights IMO were the original Parasakthi review published in PEsum Padam in Nov '52. A nicely written one with a naughty ending:
பராசக்தி மூலம் கணேசனுக்குப் பல படங்கள் கிடைக்கும் என்பதில் சந்தேகமில்லை. அவைகளை நன்று நிர்வகிக்கும் திறமை அவரிடம் நிறைய இருக்கிறது. 'பராசக்தி'யில் கிடைத்ததுபோல அவருக்கு நிரைய சந்தர்ப்பங்கள் கொடுக்கப்படுமானால் பராசக்தியின் அருளால் அவரது முன்னேற்றம் துரிதமாக நடைபெறும் :P

Another interesting part was some one-line descriptions of his films provided by SivAji himself. Was wondering if this was the one referred to by Mr.MuraLi here sometime back. Looks like this one is was some time in the 80s.Most of the time the references were made his movies in the 80s , many of them pretty ordinary. His responses were very enjoyable. Here are some of his comments. I have little context about some of them. It'd be great if more informed hubbers clarify

கள்வனின் காதலி:
நான் தலைசிறந்த நடிகை பானுமதியுடன் எப்படி நடிக்கப் போகிறோம்.
I think he is just being too modest or perhaps Banumathy was a much bigger star at that time. Because he has definitely has had much much better actresses as co-stars.

அந்த நாள்
....நடிப்பிலே பரிசு பெற்ற முதல் படம்
Is it ? Most richly deserved !!!
What award was this ?

எதிர்பாராததுமுதன்முதலில் 'ஆன்டிசென்டிமென்ட்' படத்தை மக்கள் ஒப்புக்கொள்ள வழிகாட்டிய படம்
What was this film about ?

உத்தமபுத்திரன்
இரட்டைவேடம் தாங்கிய முதல் படம்.இப்போது என்னால் அப்பிடி நடிக்க முடியுமா ?:notworthy:

The following are some lovely responses about some of his films which did not do well

சிம்ம சொப்பனம்
"சிம்மம் நன்றாக கர்ஜிக்க்த் தான் முயன்றது. ஆனால் யாரோ அதன் தொண்டையை பிடித்துவிட்டார்களே..."
:clap: What movie was this ?

ராஜரிஷி
அவ்வளவு சீக்கிரம் ஒரு மனிதன் ராஜரிஷி ஆகிவிட முடியுமா ?

லட்சுமி வந்தாச்சு
நடித்தவர்களுக்கு அது வந்தது, ஆனால் எடுத்தவருக்கு வந்ததா ?:lol:

முத்துக்கள் மூன்று
மேஜர் ஆழமாகத்தான் கடலில் மூழ்கினார். நல்ல முத்தாகத்தான் கிடைத்திருக்கும். அதை ரகசியமா கேட்டால் தான் சொல்வார்.
Didn't get this one at all ? What is this film ? I presume Major Sundarrajan was the director/producer.


முதல் மரியாதை
நான் நடிக்காமல் நின்றால் படம் அதிக நாட்கள் ஓடும்போல் இருக்கிறது
:D

Roshan
9th October 2007, 01:37 PM
Interesting ! :D NT's comments are very nice :) :lol: Thanks for sharing with us Prabhu :)

Murali Srinivas
9th October 2007, 06:58 PM
Dear Prabhu Ram,

Thanks for the info on these books. Yes, you are right. This was the book I was refering to in many of my posts. But the book I had with me had NT's comments only up to Raman Ethanai Ramandi, a 1970 release. Probably the book you have with you has updated comments, it seems. I have a fleeting memory of these comments (about the later day films) appearing in Cinema Express. Not sure.

Regarding your querries.

Kalvanin Kadhali - This was NT's 25th movie and he paired with Banumathi for the first time. Banumathi by that time was an established actress and so NT must have commented like that.

Andha Naal : I think he was awarded the Best actor by Pesum Padam and Film Fans association. National Awards were started only in 1955.

Ethirparathadhu : NT and Padmini would be loving each other and NT would go abroad for higher studies (not sure) and when he comes back he would find his father (a widower) having got married to Padmini ( from a poor back ground accepting due to finacial compulsions). NT would not be able to forget her and he would in fact try to make her his own. If my memory serves me right this was written by Sridhar.

About the later day films,

Simma Soppanam: SSK Films was a banner which was close to NT and it's owner SSKaruppasamy (hailing from Aruppukottai) took some films with NT. In fact when Simma Soppanam was in making he also had Kairasikaran with Prabhu in the lead (This was based on the novel Kai illatha Bommai by Raa.Gi.Rangarajan). Coming to SS, this had story screen play and direction by Krishna (who later changed his name as Vijay Krishna Raj). NT played a role of Supreme Court Lawyer. It had also Prabhu, Saritha and KRV. Mid way thro' the shooting, for reasons best known to them (Producer and Director), SSKaruppasamy included his name in the Director's slot and tinkered with the film. This badly affected the film. I still remember how eager we were to watch this movie and on the day of release (30.06.1984), we were subjected to lot of hardship at New Cinema (in spite of having the tickets) where we went for the opening show. The First half was so promising but the second half failed to live up to the expectations. So a sure 100 day movie ended up as 50 day movie. I remember one song " Pudavai Katti Kondu Poo Ondru aaduthu" which was aired frequently.

Raja Rishi: Manohar's stage play Viswamitran was filmed in the name of Raja Rishi. K.Shankar was the director but the content was not up to mark. Coming just a month after Mudhal Mariyadhai, (1985 Sep) it fell at the BO.

Lakshmi Vandhachu: A remake of Khoobsoorat (Ashok Kumar and Rekha) this film produced by "Hindu" Rangarajan dealt about a close knit family where the House wife dominates the entire household. NT as a hen pecked husband (Padmini was the wife) did a role which was a total underplay. This was released on Deepavali day of 1986 (01.11.1986 - along with Punnagai Mannan and MaaVeeran) But again it didn't do well.

Muthukal Moondru: Major had the call sheet of NT. He was planning to actively involve himself more into film production. He was after Sathyaraj and because of the clout Major had, he was able to get it. Another thing is Major was the first person to give advance to Pandiarajan after his Aan Paavam. So he thought of an idea and put all the three into one film. He also roped in T.Rajender to do the music. As it happens when you make a story after fixing up the artists, it is bound to be a makeshift one and that reflected in the end product. NT came in the role of a Church Father. This is again another example that NT often allowed people close to him to exploit him instead of putting down his foot. Ultimately his name and image suffered. Released on 7th March 1987, this helped to increase NT's film count by one more no.

Regards

Roshan
9th October 2007, 07:31 PM
Murali Sir,

I was waiting for your response to Prabhu's queries and as usual you didn't disappoint :)



[b]But the book I had with me had NT's comments only up to Raman Ethanai Ramandi, a 1970 release

Can you share NT's comments about this movie? because it is one of my MOST favourite NT movies :)

P_R
10th October 2007, 01:15 AM
Thank You for the informative post Mr.MuraLi.

I have a fleeting memory of these comments (about the later day films) appearing in Cinema Express.Credited to a 1996 interview in Dina Thanthi NjyAyiRu Malar. But I think that itself must be an archive from the 90s. Because by 1996 there would have definitely been one other film he would have been asked about :-)

EthirpArAthathu is really ethirpArAthathu. :clap:

I remember Lakshmi VandhAchchu. It was pretty ordinary compared to Khoobsurat.But IMO, this is largely because Revathi was nowhere near Rekha for that role. It was Rekha's infectious enthusiasm that made Ashok Kumar's performance so endearing.

tacinema
10th October 2007, 03:50 AM
கள்வனின் காதலி:
நான் தலைசிறந்த நடிகை பானுமதியுடன் எப்படி நடிக்கப் போகிறோம்.
I think he is just being too modest or perhaps Banumathy was a much bigger star at that time. Because he has definitely has had much much better actresses as co-stars.


NT - too modest




எதிர்பாராததுமுதன்முதலில் 'ஆன்டிசென்டிமென்ட்' படத்தை மக்கள் ஒப்புக்கொள்ள வழிகாட்டிய படம்
What was this film about ?


Sounds the concept was too advanced. A good example that NT was never sterotyped in choosing characters.




உத்தமபுத்திரன்
இரட்டைவேடம் தாங்கிய முதல் படம்.இப்போது என்னால் அப்பிடி நடிக்க முடியுமா ?:notworthy:


NTyaal mattumalla, endha oru nadiganum appadi nadikka mudiyathu. What a movie - U Puthiran




முதல் மரியாதை
நான் நடிக்காமல் நின்றால் படம் அதிக நாட்கள் ஓடும்போல் இருக்கிறது
:D

A humble and modest saying from the genius!! A class act.

NOV
10th October 2007, 11:56 AM
Selvam
Sivaji Ganesan, KR Vijaya, Ranga Rao, Kannamba, Nagesh
Music: KV Mahadevan
Directed by : KS Gopalakrishnan


If Manidhanum Deivamaagalaam was between theism vs atheism, Selvam is about superstitions and how they can wreck lives.

Selvam (Sivaji) returns home from overseas after completing his education to a waiting Valli (KR Vijaya). ennadi iththanai vEgam idhu edhunaal vandha mOgam (PS & TMS) is begun by Valli and ended by Selvam.

Their marriage is finalised and Selvam's mother seeks the astrologist who says that Valli will become a widow if she marries Selvam! :shock: Selvam's mother coaxes Valli to reject Selvam which she reluctantly does. Sivaji is unable to accept this! avalaa sonnaal? irukkaadhu! irukkavum koodaadhu! namba mudiyavillai illai illai....

Things happen fast when at a temple function for Valli-Murugan Thirumanam, Selvam takes the thaali and ties it around his lover Valli's neck! Without much choice Selvam's mother accepts the marriage and now announces a new condition - parigaaram! Selvam and Valli must not have physical relations for a year or the prophecy will come true!

Valli goes to stay with her family and we are introduced to a new character - Selvam's cousin - with lilly, lallie, jimmy, jikki, rosie. She is a carefree child like character but whose lifelife is strong and thus is selected as the 2nd wife for Selvam! The family tries to bring Selvam and his cousin closer but to no avail.

In the meantime, Selvam's needs grow and he goes over to Valli's house. ondraa irandaa eduththu solla ulla unarchiyai vaarththaiyil vadiththu solla... Valli finishes it reminding him of his saththiyamE. :D

His apetite unsatiated, he returns home but not for long. Doctor Ranga Rao announces that Selvam needs entertainment and whicle watching an English couple dancing, our hero's mOham grows and this time he takes the car and drives in fury. From the car radio comes the song... enakkaagavaa naan unakaagavaa setting the stage for the final culmination!

Selvam and Valli are now feeling guilty but the secret lies within them. The days go by and finally the last week arrives. Valli vomits and the doctor is summoned. Selvam shivers in anticipation. But Ranga Rao pretends that Valli is just having mild problems.

A stage show is held to keep Selvam's mind occupied. Educated though he is, he is now a complete believer in superstitions and imagines that he is going to die soon, especially since he had had intimate relations with Valli. The stage show vidhi vasam endraalum of course adds on to Selvam's fears!

Selvam now sees Ematharma rajaa!!! And so does his mother! :frightened:

It turns out to be Rangarao who is on the way from a drama. :rotfl: The film takes on a comic-serious tone from then on. :lol: Rangarao is one helluva comedian and the part where he is dumped from the bed by the three women had me literally :rotfl2:

Valli is counting the hours... when suddenly a snake is spotted in the room! Is Selvam destined to die? Do supersitions make sense? Or is there human interference? See the film for the answers! :D

Murali Srinivas
10th October 2007, 03:36 PM
Thanks Roshan. RER also happens to be one of my favourites. But unfortunately I don't remember NT's comments about it. Though I remember many of his comments vividly, this fails to ring a bell atleast for the time being. Let me check and come back to you.

Prabhu, you are spot on with regard to Rekha vs Revathi. I also felt the same. But one other thing is Khoobsoorat was a 1980 movie and any remake after 6 years will lose it's relevance.

NOV,

During the olden days the official "Pattu Pusthakam"would be available at the theatre and that would give a synopsis of the movie with a ending "Matravai Vellithiraiyil". I am reminded of that. Jokes apart, Selvam's synopsis gave full details in a short form.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
10th October 2007, 09:30 PM
AMARA DEEPAM



Producer: Venus Pictures
Director: T.Prakash Rao
Music : Chalapathi Rao
Story Dialogues: Sridhar
Year : 1956

The story is set in Chennai (or shall we say Madras). Aruna happens to be the only daughter of a rich business man who runs a Automobile dealer/repair shop which is taken care by his nephew Sugumar. Sugumar stays in the same house and he wants to marry Aruna. Her father has the same in his mind but Aruna doesn't like Sugu one bit as he is arrogant and pushes his will on others.

Ashok is a graduate without a proper job and he is a orphan who uses a condemned bus as his make shift home. He does bits and pieces job to take care of his daily bread.

Meanwhile one night Aruna has the shock of her life when Sugu breaks the radio she is listening to. Reason, it disturbs his sleep and when Aruna refuses to switch off the same, he does the damaging act. When her father consoles her, he rubs salt in to the wound by telling her that he would become alright once the marriage happens between them. Unable to take it any further, Aruna walks out of the house in the middle of the night and ends up in the den of Ashok.

Ashok on finding her, try to reason with her to go back to her home but she is adamant and she never divulges any details about her. Now Ashok earns for both of them and the proximity as usual makes the cupid arrow strike them. Ashok gets a permanent job and they decide to get married.

The rich man is now bed ridden and starts counting his days. Sugumar is in search of Aruna but could not locate her. One day when Ashok and Aruna go out, Sugu catches hold of her and takes her forcibly in his car. Ashok runs after the car and in the bargain meets with an accident where he suffers a head injury leading to Amnesia.

Aruna on reaching home meets her father in death bed and soon he passes away leaving her in the company of Sugu and a loyal servant. Aruna gets all the property in her name. Her efforts to go out to trace Ashok are blocked. Finally when she manages to go to the place where they stayed, it is deserted.

Ashok now not even of aware of his own name manages to sneak out of the hospital and ends up in a road side show where some gypsies are performing. He saves one girl from falling down from the rope and this girl, Roopa by name falls for him and this group consisting of her father, her friend and another man who does the dare devil acts in the street, takes Ashok along with them.

Ashok after accident becomes rough and has a deep stare at everyone. He manages to find a job at the same automobile shop without knowing that now it is managed by Aruna. Sugu has also not seen him along with Aruna and so gets a job there.

One day when a co worker is hurt by Sugu's push because he asked for an advance, Ashok carries him in his arms and reaches the house of Aruna where he demands justice. Aruna on seeing him is very happy but puzzled by his "paraa mugam". She goes in search of him and again she is cold shouldered. Roopa on seeing her enquires about her with Ashok but he says that he doesn't know her. By this time Ashok and Roopa have become closer much to the chagrin of the person staying with him as he is madly in love with Roopa but who cares a damn for him.

He tries some tricks and by now Sugumar coming to know that Aruna is after Ashok uses him to finish off Ashok. A badly injured Ashok is treated at the house of Roopa but the head injury again, brings him back from Amnesia and when Aruna walks in to the house on hearing about the attack, takes him to the places where they spend time together. He becomes normal.

Roopa now incensed about Ashok ditching her wants to take revenge and her father goes to Aruna's house to kill her only to falter in his steps and on seeing Aruna's father's photo along with the childhood photo of Aruna returns back with a shock.

Next day when Aruna and Ashok come to their home to say Thanks, Roopa tries to kill Aruna only to be told by her father that she and Aruna are sisters. He had given Aruna to the rich man for money as he required money for treating Roopa who was so sick.
The family unites.

But Sugumar is unrelenting and takes Aruna to a secluded place where he pleads with her to marry him or else both will have to perish. Ashok along with Roopa reaches the place and in the ensuing battle, Roopa sacrifices her life to save Ashok and Aruna. She is revered as the "Amara Deepam" for the family.

About the film and performances ----, wait

Regards

saradhaa_sn
11th October 2007, 04:21 PM
Murali Sir,
[b]But the book I had with me had NT's comments only up to Raman Ethanai Ramandi, a 1970 release

Can you share NT's comments about this movie? because it is one of my MOST favourite NT movies :)

நடிகர் திலகத்தின் சில கமெண்ட்ஸ் (நினைவுக்கு வந்தவை)

ராமன் எத்தனை ராமனடி: 'இயக்குநர் தம்பி மாதவனுக்கு வாழ்த்துக்கள்'.

கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்: 'என் உழைப்பும் உணர்வும் ஒன்றிக்கலந்தது இப்படத்தில்தானே'.

மோட்டார் சுந்தரம் பிள்ளை: 'இப்படம் வெளியான அன்றுதான் மத்திய அரசின் கௌரவம் நமக்கு கிடைத்தது' (ஜனவரி26, 1966-PADHMASHREE award)

பழனி: 'இதேதான் இந்தியில் 'உப்கார்' என்ற பெயரில் வெளியானது. அவர்களுக்கு முப்பது வாரம். நமக்கேன் மூன்று வாரம்?'.

நீலவானம்: 'திருமதி தேவிகாவின் அருமையான நடிப்பைக்கொண்ட படம்'.

நெஞ்சிருக்கும்வரை: '....நினைவிருக்கும்'.

திருவருட்செல்வர்: 'மாசில் வீணையும் மாலை மதியமும் வீசு தென்றலும் இருந்தும் பட்ட பாட்டுக்கு பலன் எங்கே?'.

Murali Srinivas
11th October 2007, 09:18 PM
AMARA DEEPAM -- Contd

The cast of the film is NT is Ashok, Savithiri is Aruna, Padmini is Roopa, Nambiar is Sugumar, Thangavelu is the man in the gypsy camp who wants to marry Padmini, EVSaroja as the gypsy girl and Nagaiah is the Father of Aruna.

Any film which has NT along with Nadigaiyar Thilagam and Nattiya Peroli should excite connoisseurs as well as common men and this is no exception. This had been released in 1956 and all the three were yet to peak at that time but neverthless the viewer can feel the calibre of all the three.

For NT, it is a two-in-one role. If the earlier part presents him as a happy go lucky guy not unduly perturbed by his state but who gradually try to become responsible, the next part or can we say for the major portion, he comes out as a person who is lost to himself not knowing who he is and what he is, the fire of justness burning in him, his deep stare with a cigarette dangling in his lips for most part all give you a picture which speaks for his dedication and efforts that he undertook to bring life to his characters. The different body language that he sports is amazing considering that this was handed out some 51 years back.

Savithiri is all subdued and carries Aruna in her shoulders effortlessly whereas Padmini is beautiful and vivacious as the gypsy girl Roopa. Her overtures towards NT are charming. Nambiar who initially appears as a do gooder later on becomes his usual self. Thangavelu evokes a few laughter with EVSaroja.

Sridhar's dialogue which is very natural in the begining slips into Senthamizh when it comes to confrontation scenes. But pleasant romance the eternal signature of Sridhar is evident here also. The love that developes between NT and Savithiri is brought out in deft touches. Same manner the dialogues in scenes involving NT and Padmini also highlights the deep love Padmini has for NT.

NT even if it is a single scene would reveal his class of style and here also when he asks Savithiri to go and have her food (while staying in his den), he would remove his hat, bow his head and after she crosses him would put on the hat and will do the majestic walk. I thought about the reaction it would generate in the theatre. His way of saying the dialogue in a humourous manner is again brought out here. He buys new dresses for Savithiri. She would ask "Ithu enna vilai", he would reply "20 roopa(i)". Savithiri would exclaim "Ammadi". The next dress he shows to her and again she would ask the price for which he would say "Rendu Ammadi" - so casually done.

Chalapathi Rao is in charge of music and he has many popular songs here in this film. Like

Nanayam Manushanukku Avasiyam - a solo by TMS (NT introduction)

Then unnum Vandu - the most popular duet by AMR/PS, this is repeated in pathos.

Lalilo Jimgana - a gypsy song by Jiggi for Padmini.(Please see POW thread in Current topics section as this has been hosted yesterday by Neel with a beautiful but short write up about the scene)

Pachai kili - again a romantic solo for Padmini with NT.

There are 4 more songs in the movie.

Bottom line is considering it is a product 51 years old, still it keeps you interested and of course NT plays a major part here.

Regards

tvsankar
11th October 2007, 10:52 PM
Dear Murali,
Thanks a lot for the nice Narration of "Amara Deepam". Last week dhan en amma kite indha padathai patri kettu kondu irundhen.

oru chinna complaint - Unga writings padithal - padam partha oru sastisfaction vandhu vittadhu.Padam parkum aarvam kuraindha madhiri oru feelings .....
Ha Ha ha. Just for kidding.

PL CONTINUE YOUR GREAT WRITINGS....

joe
12th October 2007, 08:26 AM
எல்லோரும் கொண்டாடுவோம்
அல்லாவின் பெயரைச் சொல்லி
நல்லோர்கள் வாழ்வை எண்ணி

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWkFK8M820

இஸ்லாமிய அன்பர்கள் அனைவருக்கும் இனிய நோன்பு பெருநாள் நல்வாழ்த்துக்கள் !

joe
12th October 2007, 09:02 AM
[tscii:f19afe0e61]சிவாஜி கணேசன் நடித்த 306 படங்களில் அவருடன் 106 படங்களில் நடித்த மனோரமா சிவாஜியுடனான தன் அனுபவங்களை நெகிழ்ச்சியோடு இங்கே பகிர்ந்து கொள்கிறார்...

அப்போது நான் எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆர்., நாடக மன்ற நாடகங்களில் நடித்துக் கொண்டிருந்தேன். என் முதல் படம், "மாலையிட்ட மங்கை'யில் நடித்து முடித்திருந்த நேரம்... அப்போது, "நான் சொல்லும் ரகசியம்' என்ற படத்தில் நாயகனாக நடித்துக் கொண்டிருந்தார் சிவாஜி;

அவருக்கு ஜோடி அஞ்சலி தேவி. அஞ்சலியின் அப்பாவாக எஸ்.வி.சுப்பையா நடிக்க, இருவருக்கும் ஒரு கட்டத்தில் பிரச்னை எழ, மறைந்து விட்ட சுப்பையாவின் மனைவி அவர் முன் தோன்றி, சமாதானம் செய்வது போல் ஒரு காட்சி. நீண்ட வசனம் பேசி நடிக்க வேண்டும் என்று என்னை அழைத்துச் சென்றனர்.

சிவாஜியுடன் சேர்ந்து நடிக்கும் காட்சி அமையவில்லை என்ற மனக்குறை எனக்கு இருந்தாலும், அவரது படத்தில் ஒரு காட்சியிலாவது பங்கு பெற்றோமே என்ற ஆறுதல் ஏற்பட்டது. நான் சினிமாவில் நடிக்க வருவதற்கு முன், வைரம் நாடக சபா நாடகங்களில் நடித்துக் கொண்டிருந்தேன். முத்துராமன், அவரது மனைவி சுலோசனா, நான், என் கணவர் ராமநாதன் என்று, நாங்கள் நடித்த நாடகங்களுக்கு தலைமை தாங்கி வாழ்த்தியவர்களில் என்.எஸ்.கிருஷ்ணன், கண்ணதாசன், சிவாஜி ஆகியோர் முக்கியமானவர்கள்.


திண்டிவனம் நகரின் பிரதான சாலையில் கொட்டகை போட்டு நாடகங்கள் நடத்திக் கொண்டிருந்தபோது, ஒரு நாள், "நீதிபதி' என்ற நாடகம் காண வந்திருந்தார் சிவாஜி. அந்த நாடகத்தில் நான் முத்துராமனுடன், "வைரம்' என்ற வில்லியாக முற்பகுதியிலும், இரண் டாவது நாயகியாக பிற்பகுதியிலும் நடித்தேன்.

நாடகம் முழுவதையும் பார்த்த சிவாஜி, மேடையில் அனைவரையும் பாராட்டிப் பேசுகையில், என்னைப் பற்றிக் குறிப்பிடும் போது, "நாடகத்தில் வைரம், கண்ணம்மா என்ற இரண்டு வேடங்களில் நடித்த மனோரமா, இரண்டு வேடங்களையும் வித்தியாசப்படுத்தி சிறப்பா நடிச்சிருந்தாங்க...' என்று பாராட்டினார். அத்தோடு நில்லாமல், நாடகக் கலைஞர்களை ஊக்கப்படுத்தும் வகையில், தற்போதைய முதல்வர், கருணாநிதி எழுதிய, "புறநானுõற்றுத்தாய்' நாடகத்திலிருந்து புகழ்பெற்ற, "குடிசை தான் ஓர்புறத்தில்...' என்று துவங்கும் வசனங்களை பேசிக் காட்டினார். அதைக் கேட்டு, எனக்கும் அந்த வசனத்தின் மீது ஆர்வம் ஏற்பட்டு, பாடம் செய்து கொண் டேன் ஒரு நிகழ்ச்சியில். சிவாஜி முன் அதைப் பேசி நடித்துக் காட்டினேன்.

சிவாஜியோடு சேர்ந்து நான் பங்கு பெற்ற முதல்படம், "ஜீவபூமி!' இதில் அவருக்கு ஜோடி சரோஜாதேவி. சாண்டியல்யன் எழுதிய இந்தக் கதையை நடிகர் ஸ்ரீராம், பிரமாண்ட சரித்திரப் படமாக உருவாக்கினார். ஆக்ராவில் இதற்காக பெரிய அளவில் அரங்கம் அமைத்து படமாக்கினார். ஏ.பி.நாகராஜன் இயக்கத்தில், இந்த படத்தில் எனக்கு ஜோடி குலதெய்வம் ராஜகோபால். என்ன காரணத்தாலோ அப்படம் வெளிவரவில்லை.

சிவாஜி மீது அளவு கடந்த பாசமுடையவர் என் தாயார் ராமாமிர்தம். 1961ல் அமெரிக்க அரசாங்கத்தின் விருந்தாளியாக சிவாஜி அழைக்கப்பட்டு, அவர் அமெரிக்கா சென்று திரும்பிய போது, எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., தலைமையில் தமிழ்த் திரையுலகம் வரவேற்று மகிழ்ந்தது. "சிவாஜி தம்பிக்கு ஏதாவது நாம் மரியாதை செய்ய வேண்டும்...' என்ற என் தாயார், வெள்ளியினாலான செங்கோல் ஒன்றை தயார் செய்தார்.யாருக்காகவும் அவர் இப்படி முனைந்து செய்ததில்லை. அதை எடுத்துக் கொண்டு, "அன்னை இல்லம்' சென்று சிவாஜியின் கையில் கொடுத்து, அவருக்கு மாலையணிவித்து, பூமாரி பொழிந்தபோது, என் தாயிடமிருந்து இப்படிப்பட்டதொரு வெளிப்பாட்டை எதிர்பார்க்கவில்லை சிவாஜி.

மகிழ்ச்சியில் அவருக்கு வார்த்தைகள் வரவில்லை. "ரொம்ப நன்றிம்மா!' என்று மட்டும் சொன்னார். அவரது உணர்ச்சியைக் கண்டு எங்களுக்கும் கண்கள் கலங்கி விட்டன.

சிவாஜியோடு எத்தனையோ படங்களில் நடித்திருந்தாலும் எனக்கு அவர் மீதுள்ள பயம், மரியாதை காரணமாக, படப்பிடிப்பு சமயங்களில் அதிகம் அவரிடம் பேசியதில்லை; அவரும் என்னிடம் பேசியதில்லை; ஆனால், என் தாயாரிடம் என்னைப் பற்றி நிறைய கூறியிருக்கிறார். அதை சிவாஜியின் தாயார் மூலம் நான் அறிந்த போது நெகிழ்ந்து போனேன்.

"தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள்' படத்தில் நான் ஏற்றிருந்த ஜில்ஜில் ரமாமணி வேடம் என் திரையுலக வாழ்வின் முக்கிய திருப்பம். 1968ல் வெளியான அந்தப்படம் இன்றைக்கும் எனக்கு பெயர் தேடித் தந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறது.

அந்த கேரக்டரில் நடிக்க வாய்ப்பு தரப்பட்டு, நான் நடிக்க ஒப்புக் கொண்டாலும், எப்படி நடிப்பது என்ற பயம் மேலோங்கி நின்றது. காரணம், ஏ.பி.நாகராஜன் இயக்கத்தில் அத்தனை படங்களிலும் நடித்திருக்கிறேன்; எந்த படத்திலும் பிரச்னை இல்லை. ஆனால், ஜில்ஜில் ரமாமணி வேடம் சிவாஜியோடு நடிப்பது. சிவாஜி மற்றும் டி.எஸ்.பாலையா போன்ற மா பெரும் ஜாம்பவான்கள் முன்னிலையில் எனக்கும் முக்கியத்துவம் உள்ள வேடம் அது.

அவர்களுக்கு அதில் அதிக வசனமில்லை. என் நடிப்புக்கு அவர்கள் வெறும் ரியாக்ஷன் தருவது மட்டுமே இருக்கும் என்று தெரிந்தபோது எனக்கு உடம்பெல்லாம் உதறல்.

படப்பிடிப்பின் போது என்னைக் கண்டு ஏ.பி.என்.,னுக்கு வியப்பாக இருந்தது... "ஏன் இப்படி பயப்படுறே?' என்று கேட்டார். சிவாஜியும், "பயப்படாதே, தைரியாமா நடி. நீ நல்லா நடிச்சா தான் எங்க ரியாக்ஷனே எடுபடும்...' என்றார். ஆனால், கேமரா ஓடத் துவங்கியதும் எனக்கு எப்படி தைரியம் வந்ததென்றே தெரியவில்லை. நடித்து முடித்த பின் ஏதோ கனவிலிருந்து விடுபட்டது போலிருந்தது.

சிங்கப்பூரில், 25 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன் தயாரிப்பாளர் ஏ.எல்.சீனிவாசன் ஏற்பாடு செய்த கலை நிகழ்ச்சியில் சிவாஜி, மஞ்சுளா, வி.கே.ராமசாமி, மேஜர் சுந்தர்ராஜன், எம்.ஆர்.ஆர்.வாசு, சி.ஐ.டி.சகுந்தலா இவர்களோடு நானும் இடம் பெற்றிருந்தேன்.

இதற்காக நான், என் மகன் பூபதியோடு விமானத்தில் சென்ற போது, சிவாஜி மன்றத் தலைவர் சின்ன அண்ணாமலையும் உடன் வந்தார். அவருக்கு மலாய் மொழி ஓரளவுக்குத் தெரியும். அதனால், "எனக்கு மலாய் மொழியில் கொஞ்சம் பேசக் கற்றுக் கொடுங்கள்...' என்று கேட்டுக் கொண்ட போது, அவரும் நான் பேசுவதற்கேற்ப எழுதிக் கொடுத்தார்.

சிங்கப்பூர் செல்வதற்குள் அதைப் பாடம் செய்து விட்டேன். 25 ஆயிரத்திற்கும் மேற்பட்ட ரசிகர்கள் திரண்டிருந்த கூட்டத்தில் நான் பேச அழைக்கப்பட்டேன். மேடையில் நிகழ்ச்சிகளை தொகுத்து வழங்கியவர், "மனோரமாவுக்கு தமிழில் சென்னை, மதுரை, நெல்லை பாஷை என்று வட்டார வழக்கு அத்தனையும் அத்துபடி. யாரு கண்டா... மலாய் மொழியில் பேசினாலும் பேசுவார்...' என்று கூறி விட்டார்.

சரிதானென்று நானும் மலாய் மொழியில், "துõவான் துவான் தான் பூவான் பூவான், சாயா சுக்கா ஹாத்தி தாத்தாங்கா நகரி சிங்கப்பூரா, திருமாச்சி, மாஞா திருமாச்சி!' என்று சொல்லி முடிக்கவில்லை... அத்தனை ஆயிரம் ரசிகர்களும் எழுந்து நின்று கைதட்டி ஆரவாரம் செய்தனர். அந்த சமயம் மேடையில் யாருடனோ பேசிக் கொண்டிருந்த சிவாஜி, திடீரென்று எழுந்த ஆரவாரத்தைக் கண்டு, "என்னடா பண்ணா... இப்படி கை தட்டுறாங்க...' என்று கேட்க, அவர் கேட்டது என் காதிலும் விழுந்தது. நான் பேசியதன் தமிழாக்கம் இதுதான்: "சகோதர, சகோதரிகளே... நான் ரொம்ப சந்தோஷப்படுகிறேன். சிங்கப்பூர் வந்ததற்கு நான் மகிழ்கிறேன். நன்றி; ரொம்ப ரொம்ப நன்றி!'

இதற்கு பின், "ஓடிப்போன கணவர்' என்ற நாடகத்தில் சிவாஜியோடு நடித்தேன். அவரோடு, "சாம்ராட் அசோகன்' என்ற ஓரங்க நாடகத்திலும் நடித்தேன். இந்த நிகழ்ச்சிக்குப் பின்பா, எப்போது என்று எனக்குத் தெரியவில்லை. தன்னிடம் சிவாஜி இப்படிக் கூறியதாகத் தெரிவித்தார் ஒய்.ஜி.மகேந்திரன் :

"எதிர்த்த வீட்டுக்காரியிடம் ஜாக்கிரதையா இருக்கணும்; இல்லேன்னா, நடிப்பில் நம்மையே துõக்கி சாப்பிட்டுடும்...' என்றாராம். சிவாஜி வீட்டுக்கு எதிரிலுள்ள தெருவில் தான் நான் குடியிருக்கிறேன். சிவாஜியிடமிருந்து இவ்வளவு பெரிய வார்த்தைகளைப் பெறுவதற்கு நான் எவ்வளவு பாக்கியம் செய்திருக்க வேண்டும்.

"சின்னதம்பி' படம் வெளிவந்த சமயம். மே 26ல் எனக்கு பிறந்த நாள். அதற்காக சிவாஜியிடம் வாழ்த்து பெற சென்றேன். என்னை வாழ்த்தியவர், "சின்னதம்பி'யில் என் நடிப்பைப் பற்றிக் குறிப்பிட்டு, "இது போல் எப்படி உன்னால் நடிக்க முடிகிறது?' என்று கேட்டார். "எல்லாம் உங்களிடமிருந்து வந்தது தான்!' என்றேன்.

என் தாயார் உடல் நலம் பாதிக்கப்பட்டு தீவிர சிகிச்சையில் இருந்தார். அவருக்கு சிகிச்சையளித்தவர் டாக்டர் ராதாகிருஷ்ணன். அவர் சிவாஜியின் குடும்ப டாக்டர். ஒரு நாள் காலையில் அம்மா இறந்து போக, அதை டாக்டரிடம் தெரிவித்தபோது அவர் வந்து பரிசோதித்து, அம்மாவின் மரணத்தை உறுதி செய்தார். பின், நேராக சிவாஜி வீட்டுக்கு சென்றவர், அங்கு விபரம் கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

அடுத்த பத்தாவது நிமிடத்தில், சிவாஜி, கமலாம்மாள், பிரபு மூவரும் வந்து விட்டனர். அழுது கொண்டிருந்த என்னை ஆறுதல் படுத்திய சிவாஜி, "அம்மாவ எப்ப அடக்கம் பண்றதா இருக்கே... சொந்தக்காரங்களுக்கெல்லாம் தகவல் சொல்லிட்டியா?' என்றெல்லாம் விபரம் கேட்டவர், அம்மாவுக்கு ஒரு சகோதரனாக நான் தான் காரியம் பண்ணப் போகிறேன்!' என்று கூறிவிட்டுப் போனார்.

மறுநாள் காலை எட்டு மணிக்கெல்லாம் வந்து விட்டார் சிவாஜி. அம்மாவுக்கு மரியாதை செய்து விட்டு, பிறகு எல்லா காரியங்களையும் அவரே செய்து கொண்டிருந்தார். இறுதி காரியங்கள் எல்லாம் முடிந்த பின், எங்கள் வீட்டிற்கு வந்திருந்த அனைவருக்கும் சாப்பாடு தயார் செய்து அனுப்பி வைத்தார். என் உடன் பிறந்த சகோதரன் கூட இப்படி செய்திருக்க மாட்டாரோ என்று நினைத்தேன். ஒரு மாபெரும் நடிகர், மகத்தான மனிதர் என் தாயாருக்கு செய்த மரியாதையைக் கண்ட போது, எனக்கு என் அம்மாவின் மீதே பொறாமை வந்தது. இந்த மரியாதை நமக்கு கிடைத்திருக்கக் கூடாதா என்று எண்ணினேன்.அவருடன் எனக்கு ஏற்பட்ட அனுபவங்களை நினைத்துப் பார்க்கவே எனக்கு பெருமையாக உள்ளது என்று முடித்தார்.



ஜில்ஜில் ரமாமணியின் நினைவலைகளிலிருந்து....

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Murali Srinivas
12th October 2007, 08:03 PM
Dear Usha,

Thanks. Naan kooda review ezhuthumpothu kathai patriyum scenes matrum vasanam,nadippu patri avvalavu detail-aga ezhutha vendam endru ninaippen. Aanal ezhuthumpothu ennai ariyaamal naan rasithavai ellam vandhu vidum. Innoru kaaranam ennavendral idhai padikka koodiya ilaya thalaimurai-kku indha madhiri padangal matrum kathaigal patri therindrikka nyayamillai. Avargalum purindhu kolvatharkkaga konjam detail-aga ellavatraium ezhuthukiren. Itharkkaga padam paarkamal irundhu vidadheergal.

Regards

tacinema
13th October 2007, 09:54 AM
Dear Murali,

Good narration on Amara Deepam. Can I suggest few changes in your presentation? The following could be useful :

1. who made the movie? debut director/producer? This will be useful to show that NT acted under new banner too. For example, actor Balaji became a successful and shrewd producer solely with NT movies.
2. highlighting NT - actress pair. For example, I am not sure which movie made NT-Padmini pair very cute. For record, Vasantha maaligai made NT-Vanisri pair very popular
3. Must-watch scenes. Highlighting NT scenes in the movie, where no fan should miss. For example, in Deiva Magan, the elder son (NT)shows exact mannerism of his dad (another NT) to Major Sunderajan. A wonderful scene not to be missed. Every NT movie has got many beautiful scenes that even a seasoned fans might have missed. So, please highlight them.
4. Movies remade - whether NT movie was remade to other languages. This will be particularly interesting if he himself acted in the remade movie. For example, Manogara was originally made in Tamil and I believe NT himself donned the same role in both Telugu and Hindi remakes. This shows that even before KH/RK generation, NT acted in other languages
5. Fan association celebration - I am sure you remember all. For example, my uncle said there was a virtual festival look for weeks around Madurai Chintamani theater during the release of Paasamalar.
6. Commercial apsects of the movie. For example, your commercial description of Vasantha Maaligai was exemplary. We need to highlight how NT movies enjoyed success not only in TN, but also in places like Sri Lanka, Singapore or Malaysia.

I think I am requesting a lot of info. But again, what else an NT fan will ask for.

Please continue your narration.
NT pugazh vaazhga!!

saradhaa_sn
13th October 2007, 02:37 PM
டியர் முரளி....

'அமரதீபம்' பற்றிய உங்கள் அலசல் அருமை. நீங்கள் சொல்வது உண்மைதான். படத்திலுள்ல சில முக்கியமான சீன்களை மட்டும் சொல்வோம் என்று ஆரம்பித்தால், அது நம்மையறியாமல் முழு கதையையும் சொல்லும் அளவுக்கு கொண்டு வந்து விட்டு விடும். ஒன்றைச்சொல்லும்போது, தனாகவே இன்னொன்று வந்து ஒட்டிக்கொள்ளும். இந்த அனுபவம் எனக்கும் ஏற்பட்டிருக்கிறது.

அமரதீபம் படம்தான் முதலில் 'சிவாஜி ரிலீஸ்' என்ற பேனரோடு வந்தது. ஆம், சிவாஜி பிலிம்ஸ் என்ற பட வினியோக நிறுவனம் துவங்கப்பட்டது இப்படத்தில்தான்.

1972ல் 'பொம்மை' என்ற சினிமா இதழில் நடிகர் ஏ.வி.எம்.ராஜனின் பேட்டி வந்திருந்தது. நிருவர் கேட்டார்: "'அவள்' படத்தில் சிகரெட்டை ஸ்டைலாக மேலே சுண்டி விடும் காட்சியை எப்படி செய்தீர்கள்?. அருமையாக இருந்ததே". அதற்கு ஏ.வி.எம்.ராஜனின் பதில்: "இதில் நான் ஒன்றும் பெரிதாக செய்து விடவில்லை. 'அமரதீபம்' படத்தில் சிவாஜி சார் இதே மாதிரி செய்திருப்பார். அதை அப்படியே காப்பியடித்தேன். அது நன்றாகயிருந்தது என்று நீங்கள் சொன்னால், அந்தப் பெருமை முழுக்க அவருக்குத்தான்".

Murali Srinivas
13th October 2007, 06:34 PM
Thanks Saradhaa. You are right about Sivaji Films entering in to distribution and in fact I thought of writing this but later skipped. Sivaji films later produced this movie in Hindi titled " Amar Deep" starring Dev Anand and Padmini which was their first production.

Dear tac,

I understand your feelings and I would also love to give more info. The problem is as for as commercial success is concerned, we need to have some documented book which would have all the details. That would make our job easier. The Fans association during those times used to bring out "Sirappu malar" during a release or for 100 days or for NT's birthday. I remember once in 70-71, our Madurai people came out with a malar. In that there was one specific chapter titled " Kovil Maanagaramam Madurai-yil Sivaji Perumanin Sirappumigu Saadhanaigal" in which they had given the collection details of virtually all NT films in Madurai released till that time. But unfortunately some body borrowed it and it never came back. Same way the book myself and Prabhu Ram were discussing where NT had himself commented about his movies, it also never came back. So somebody who has all these details could be a source of help. Raghavendran or Saradhaa's father may be having such things in their file.

About the festivity and the commercial success (in relation to Madurai), I can add on. There are certain things which need to be highlighted like the situation that prevailed at that point of time. May be even you must have seen theatres palying 4 shows daily at Madurai in the 80s. Earlier it was not like that. It used to be Daily 3 shows, Sat & Sun 4 shows. The films used to be released in terms basis in the sense the distributors used to get major share in the first 4 weeks and then it would become 50-50 for Distributor and theatre. So there will be a concept called "Hold over" which would be applicable for Sat, Sun morning and daily matinee shows. This means that there would be a minimum amount that should come as collection, failing which the show would be stopped. Therefore when a Saturday morning show (supposed to be the least crowded show because Sat was a working day during those times) fails to clear the minimum amount, the Sat morning show would be stopped. The film would run Daily 3 shows, Sun 4 shows. Then Sunday morning show will stop and it will become Daily 3 shows. Later when the crowd becomes less for Matinee, it would be Daily 2 shows, Sun 3 shows. The theatre will not screen any other movie and theatre would function only for 2 shows. So there used to be comparisons for these also. A dialogue like " enga padam 16 sani,19 gnayir(u) odichu theriyumile" (Imagine this in our Madurai dialect) was a common one you could hear. Also do you know what were the ticket rates at that time? It was like this in 1970s

40 paise
70 paise
80 paise
Re 1.15
Re 1.70
Rs 2.50

Only Thangam and Chintamani had another ticket that was Rs 3.92.

Even the increase was minimal during the late 70s and till early 80s the maximum was Rs 5/-. In spite of this low charges NT films went on to collect big amounts in lakhs.

Another point that is being highlighted these days is 100% percent occupancy and that too for first 3 days. These things were child's play for NT (of course for MGR also) where a continous 100 House full shows were the order of the day (this means 30 days-all shows continous full) for most of their films. So in this context imagine Trisoolam in Chintamani had it's all shows full till the 120th day totalling to 401 continous HF shows. The 121st day Sunday morning show was the first one not to have become HF. You compare that BO performance and evaluate in today's context and you will realise how big it was. Again it was in 1979, when the next generation stars had become heroes.

This has become lengthy and some may find this boring also. Well whenever and where ever it is possible, I will provide all info known to me.

Regards

PS: The noon show or 11.30 AM show came to Madurai only in late 70s and before that morning show means it is 10.30 AM. Initially only Meenakshi and Kalpana were having this (screening a different film for noon show alone) which all theatres started doing later. In fact I saw Marutha Nattu Veeran and Kalyaniyin Kanavan from Kalpana only thro' noon show.

saradhaa_sn
13th October 2007, 08:08 PM
டியர் முரளி....

உங்களின் மலரும் நினைவுகள் அருமை. அது சிலருக்கு போரடிக்கலாம் என்று மட்டும் தயவு செய்து சொல்லாதீர்கள். உண்மையில் சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் இதுபோன்ற தகவ்லகளுக்காக ஏங்கிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார்கள். ஆகவே தொடருங்கள் உங்கள் பணியை.

அன்றைய தியேட்டர் டிக்கட் நிலவரம் பற்றி சொல்லியிருந்தீர்கள். அன்றைக்கு கையில் நூறு ரூபாய் இருந்தால் ஒருவர் ஒருமாத பொழுதை ஓட்டி விடலாம். அந்த நிலையில் இந்த டிக்கட் விலைகளும் அன்றைக்கு குறைவானதல்ல. அன்றைய படத்தயாரிப்பு செலவுகளும் குறைவே. தமிழ் நடிகர்களில் அதிக சம்பலம் பெற்றவர்கள் எம்.ஜி.ஆரும், சிவாஜியும்தான். எவ்வளவு தெரியுமா?. ஒரு படம் முழுக்க நடித்துக்கொடுக்க நடிகர் திலகத்துக்கு ஐந்து லட்சம், மக்கள் திலகத்துக்கு ஆறு லட்சம் (அதுவே இரட்டை வேடமாயிருந்தால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். எட்டு லட்சம் வாங்குவார்). மற்றபடி ஜெய்சங்கர், ரவிச்சந்திரன், முத்துராமன், சிவகுமார் போன்றவர்களின் ஊதியம் சில ஆயிரங்கள் மட்டுமே. (திரிஷாவுக்கு ஒரு படத்துக்கு நாலு கோடி ரூபாய் கொடுக்கக்கூடிய தயாரிப்பாளர்கள் அப்போது இல்லை).

ஆகவே அப்போது ஒரு படம் ஐம்பது நாட்களைக்கடந்து விட்டாலே வெற்றிப்படம்தான். நூறைக்கடந்தால் பெரிய வெற்றிப்படம். அப்போதெல்லாம் பெரும்பாலான திரையரங்குகளில் மேட்னி காட்சிக்கு 96 காசு டிக்கட் நிறைந்து விட்டால், பக்கத்தில் 1.25 டிக்கட் கவுண்ட்டர் காலியாக இருந்தாலும் அதில் போகாமல், வீட்டுக்குப்போய் விட்டு மீண்டும் மாலைக்காட்சிக்கு அதே 96 காசு கவுண்ட்டரில் வந்து நிற்பார்களாம். பணத்தின் அருமை தெரிந்த காலம். (இப்போதெல்லாம் ஒரு திரைப்படம் பார்க்க ஆட்டோ செலவு உட்பட குறைந்தது ஐநூறு ரூபாய் தனியாக எடுத்து வைக்க வேண்டும்).

tacinema
14th October 2007, 04:25 PM
Thanks Saradhaa. You are right about Sivaji Films entering in to distribution and in fact I thought of writing this but later skipped. Sivaji films later produced this movie in Hindi titled " Amar Deep" starring Dev Anand and Padmini which was their first production.

Dear tac,

The Fans association during those times used to bring out "Sirappu malar" during a release or for 100 days or for NT's birthday. I remember once in 70-71, our Madurai people came out with a malar. In that there was one specific chapter titled " Kovil Maanagaramam Madurai-yil Sivaji Perumanin Sirappumigu Saadhanaigal" in which they had given the collection details of virtually all NT films in Madurai released till that time. But unfortunately some body borrowed it and it never came back. Same way the book myself and Prabhu Ram were discussing where NT had himself commented about his movies, it also never came back. So somebody who has all these details could be a source of help. Raghavendran or Saradhaa's father may be having such things in their file.

Exactly that was my point. These information booklets were treasure about NT. Here, I remember this: my uncle used to have a huge pile of newspaper clips, magazines such as pesum padam - all related to NT in a big wooden cabin (almirah??). Those were years back - I wish he still has them and if he does, then I may pass info on NT.

We should bring as much information as possible to the internet, which will be helpful to all - every generation of tamil cinema.



About the festivity and the commercial success (in relation to Madurai), I can add on.

This is very interesting particularly how NT, who brought out quality (unlike action or uniformula movies) movies, at the same time achieved monster commercial success. When I watched Thaiku Oru Thalattu (released in 1986??) at Madurai central, the fan association put a huge banner outside the theater listing out huge success the theater has been enjoying with NT movies - PPattanama (highest collection among b/w movies - 180+ days), Paava Manippu (silver jubilee), Pazhum Pazhamum (silver jubilee) , OVuravu (continuous house-full shows) and so on. This clearly shows how NT, despite they are non-action movies, achieved milestones. If you analyze these movies and performances, it will tell you that NT is the only actor in tamil cinema who made run-away success with movies that are not action oriented. He was the only one who shattered the notion that only action movies can make it big - and more importantly, he has been only one till date who achieved that feat. So, we need to bring out these records to the net.



This has become lengthy and some may find this boring also. Well whenever and where ever it is possible, I will provide all info known to me.

You must be joking that these are boring info. These are absolute delight to read and preserve.

In short, we need to bring out as much about NT as possible to the net. With these details, we can start either a new web site or at least a blog. If we have enough info, I can start a blog.

Murali, please continue your great service
Regards

joe
16th October 2007, 03:37 PM
Excellent speach by KavinJar Vairamuthu on NT.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/3564596a30b161/

(It is a 60 mins audio clip ,but NT episode starts after 38 Mins .)

RajaRam
16th October 2007, 10:24 PM
Also do you know what were the ticket rates at that time? It was like this in 1970s


sir,

Even in 80s the ticket rate for non A/c theatre was

50 paisa(female only)
80 paisa
90 paisa
Balcony
--------
1.45Rupees
2.00Rupees
2.90Rupees

For A/c Theatre

1.85 Rupees
2.90 Rupees
4.00 Rupees



Trisoolam in Chintamani had it's all shows full till the 120th day totalling to 401 continous HF shows. The 121st day Sunday morning show was the first one not to have become HF. You compare that BO performance and evaluate in today's context and you will realise how big it was.



despite they are non-action movies, achieved milestones.


I don't know about 60s and 70s. but I know about 80s.
I think 80s are golden period to Tamil cinema.

All type of movies(not only action movies) did an extraordinary business in Madurai.

16 vayathinile ran 250 days in minipriya, Kanni paruvathile and shikappu Rojakkal,Manal kayiru ran 200 days in sakthi theatre.

Oru thalai raagam(alankar)Vaazve maayam(new cinema), ran 200 days, Payanangal mudivathillai(guru)vidhi(Sha) ran 175 days.

In early 80s Bhagyaraj was king of box office.

Normally in 80s, movie(including shivaji,kamal,Rajini movies) was releasing in 1 theatre.

I think 'maadi vettu ezhai'(shivaji and kalaingar combination) was the first movie released in 2 theatres(chintamani and kalpana).but bombed in boxoffice(
I saw only 10th day poster).

but bhagyaraj movies did an extraordinary business. 'Darling..darling...' released in Guru(ran 80 days and sugapriya(125 days).
Mouna geethangal ran 160 days in alankar, Andha ezhu naatka ran 100 days in chintamani. Thooral ninnu pochu ran 100 days in Thangam(equivalent to 200 days).

but unbeleivable thing is 'Munthanai mudichu'(1983) which released in chintamani and Saraswathy. it ran 100 days in saraswathy and 175 days in chintamani.
I went to chintamani with my family to watch MM after 100 days. there was crowd like opening day and we couldn't get ticket.

after 6 years Apoorva sakothararhal did same.

joe
17th October 2007, 07:44 AM
Rajaram,
Thanks for all your info.

Btw, Is contineous 401 housefull shows feet by Thirisoolam defeated by any of the movies you mentioned ? :roll:

tacinema
17th October 2007, 08:15 AM
RR,
What are trying to say here? Not sure how is your response related to this post?

1980s ticket rate was not so low, not at least in Madurai. I remember we have paid around Rs.10+ (I class) when we saw Punnaigai Mannan at Abhirami.




I think 80s are golden period to Tamil cinema.

1980s, golden period? Every one knows 1960s were golden time for tamil movies.



16 vayathinile ran 250 days in minipriya, Kanni paruvathile and shikappu Rojakkal,Manal kayiru ran 200 days in sakthi theatre.


BTW, what is the seating capacity at all these theaters? Max 300?
So, you cannot compare this with halls such as Chintamani!!



Oru thalai raagam(alankar)Vaazve maayam(new cinema), ran 200 days, Payanangal mudivathillai(guru)vidhi(Sha) ran 175 days.

Did VMaayam run for 200 days in N.Cinema? For record, I know P.Mudivathillai, which was released on the same day, kinda killed VMaayam run.



I think 'maadi vettu ezhai'(shivaji and kalaingar combination) was the first movie released in 2 theatres(chintamani and kalpana).but bombed in boxoffice(I saw only 10th day poster).

It does not mean that the movie was removed in 10 days.



but bhagyaraj movies did an extraordinary business. 'Darling..darling...' released in Guru(ran 80 days and sugapriya(125 days).
Mouna geethangal ran 160 days in alankar, Andha ezhu naatka ran 100 days in chintamani. Thooral ninnu pochu ran 100 days in Thangam(equivalent to 200 days).

You know how many movies NT ran 100+ days in one of the biggest theaters in Asia, Madurai Thangam?? Karnan, Padikkatha
Medhai and Parasakthi. None has ever beaten this NT record.

joe
17th October 2007, 09:08 AM
NT Birthday Celebration function - Photos and video

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/13357.html

joe
17th October 2007, 12:55 PM
தமிழக அரசின் 'நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி' விருது பெற்ற நடிகர் விக்ரம் அவர்களை வாழ்த்துவோம்! :D

saradhaa_sn
17th October 2007, 05:26 PM
I don't know about 60s and 70s. but I know about 80s.
I think 80s are golden period to Tamil cinema.

Yes, you think. But what you think, no need to be the record. Because you clearly mentioned that you dont know about 60s and 70s.

So it is not possible for you to know about the records made by Pattikkaadaa Pattanamma, Vasandha Maaligai, Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban, Thangappadhakkam etc. in Madurai during 70s.


shikappu Rojakkal,Manal kayiru ran 200 days in sakthi theatre.

I dontknow about the seating capacity of Madhurai Sakthi theatre. But in Chennai, Sigappau RojakkaL was pushed to reach 100 days in Devi Paradise theatre.

Murali Srinivas
17th October 2007, 09:13 PM
Dear Rajaram,

Most of the info you have written is correct but the way you had written would hurt fans here.

When you quoted the previous posts, you mixed up my post and tac's quote and people who read your post would think that both are said by the same person. If your intention was to say that non action movies of other stars had also run, then you could have been bit more clear.

Now coming to your post, I don't know why you particularly mentioned 80s, because some movies you have quoted were late 70s, like 16 Vayadhinile was Sep 1977, Sigappu Rojakkal was 1978 Deepavali,Kanni Paruvathile was 1979, Oru Thalai Ragam was May 1980. Mouna Geethangal and Andha 7 Natkal were released in 1981 and Vazhve Mayam, Manal Kayiru, Payanagal Mudivathilai and Darling Darling was in 1982. Mundhanai Mudhichu was 1983 and Vidhi was in 1984. But Vazhve Mayam New Cinema-vil 200 days-a? I think that is not correct. The only movie to touch 200 days in New Cinema is Vasantha Maaligai. Even Veera Pandiya Kattabomman ran for only 181 days.

Again Maadi Veetu Ezhai was not the first movie to be released in two theatres in Madurai. As for as I know, in 1968/69, a film called Poovum Pottum (the movie had one famous song 'Nadaswara Osaiyile Devan Vandhu Paadugiran") starring AVM Rajan and Bharathi was released in two theatres namely Meenakshi and SriDevi. When Priya complex opened up in 1974, many films like Urimai kural, Mannavan Vandhanadi, Pallandu Vaazhga, Pattum Bharathamum were screened in Cine and MiniPriya. As a Kamal fan you should know that even the dubbed "Iru Nilavugal" was released in CinePriya and New Cinema (1979).

What tac was mentioning was NT was a pioneer in this category. He was the one who showed it to others that non action movies can also be successful at BO. This he did not once or twice but continiously for years together.

Rajaram, the sort of BO records that NT holds as for as Madurai is concerned is fabulous and if we start comparing, then it will lead to unnecessary issues here. Hope you understand.

tac,

Payanagal Mudivadhillai was released in March 1982, whereas Vazhve Maayam was released on Jan 26th,1982.

Joe,

Tirusoolam record - no film had broken that HF shows till now and I don't think any film will be able to do that in future also.

Regards

P_R
17th October 2007, 10:51 PM
On a tangential note:

I was in Madurai a couple of days back and saw a poster of a SivAji film called Needhi. It was running in Dinamani talkies ! He was sporting a slightly thick moustache and was looking pretty different. I don't remember seeing that even on TV. What movie is this such that they have chosen it for rerun even today ?

joe
17th October 2007, 11:06 PM
On a tangential note:

I was in Madurai a couple of days back and saw a poster of a SivAji film called Needhi. It was running in Dinamani talkies ! He was sporting a slightly thick moustache and was looking pretty different. I don't remember seeing that even on TV. What movie is this such that they have chosen it for rerun even today ?

This is a hit movie with the song "NaaLai muthal kudikka matten ..Sathiyamadi thangam"

NOV
18th October 2007, 07:06 AM
:omg:

how could you not know NEEDHI? story is about a lorry driver who accidentally kills a villager while drunk (maappilaiya paaththukkadi mynah kutty). instead of jailing him, the court feels that better justice (needhi) can be served by having him repay his debts to society by working for the family of the deceased.

film begins with the whole family hating him - widowed Sowcar Janaki, father SV Suppiah and the farmer's sister and children. (naalai mudhal kudikka maattEn)

Sivaji works his charm on each of the family member to win their love and trust. in between there is a ghost story involving jayalalitha (Oduradhu ... Ottuvadhu chinna ponnu)

Sivaji ploughs the paddy fields and begins solving the whole family's problems and everyone begins to have affection on him. Except for the widow... (engaladhu boomi kaakka vandha saami)

film concludes pleasantly enough. btw, Needhi is a remake of hindi film Dushman.

Murali Srinivas
18th October 2007, 04:00 PM
This came in today's "The Hindu"

This Day that Age

dated October 18, 1957: Tribute to Shivaji

Mr. C. Rajagopalachari presented to Shivaji Ganesan a Ponnadai on October 16, when his dramatic troupe Shivaji Nataka Manram staged the historic Tamil play Veerapandiya Kattabomman at Annamalai Manram under the auspices of Sri Kala Niketan.

Murali Srinivas
18th October 2007, 04:56 PM
Dear PR,

NOV had given a synopsis of Needhi and it's story. The moment you heard it was a remake from Hindi Dushman (Rajesh Khanna) you must have guessed it is a Balajee production. This came in the most memorable year (post 1970) of NT's film career. Yes it was the last release of 1972 (Dec 7th). In our Madurai it was released in Thangam.(One interesting info is after this movie, Thangam stopped screening Tamil movies and concentrated on "one Hindi movie per week" for the next 18 months. It started screening Tamil films again in Aug 1974 with Athaiya Mamiya [Jai]).

Coming back to Needhi, it was a BO success with a 100 day run at Salem. In Chennai Devi Paradise it ran for 99 days and was removed on the morning of 100th day for reasons best known to them.

Regards

P_R
18th October 2007, 05:14 PM
Thank You NOV and Mr.Murali.

While reading the "this day that age" piece I am reminded of another anecdote about Rajaji. Apparently after a screening of Sampoorna Ramayanam Rajaji's comment was : "long live bharathan !" :-)

Billgates
18th October 2007, 05:19 PM
Coming back to Needhi, it was a BO success with a 100 day run at Salem. In Chennai Devi Paradise it ran for 99 days and was removed on the morning of 100th day for reasons best known to them

Does this define Box office success if it runs in 2 theatres only !?

Murali Srinivas
18th October 2007, 05:47 PM
Dear Bill Gates,

I don't know what is your intention here. We in this thread steer clear of controversies and fights. Coming to your question, BO success is not related to no of theatres the movie runs for 100 days. If a movie returns profit for it's producer,distributor and exhibitor then it is a BO success. Needhi might have run 100 days in only 2 theatres but it gave profits to everybody concerned.

I can list out all the reasons why Needhi could not complete 100 days in many centres but since I don't want issues to flare up I am not going in to that and it is certainly not needed at this juncture.

Regards

PS: While going thro' the above post, somehow reminded of Nerd's comments in Sports section. (Sachin thread?)

Billgates
18th October 2007, 10:11 PM
Murali Srinivas

For a simple query , why you are taking it so personal !
Just read your message & for me it conveys that sort of meaning & hence I queried you. If you dont like it, leave it for good.
I am not here for useless statistics which have no concrete evidence. can you provide a clear proof to your claim ?

Thirumaran
19th October 2007, 08:57 AM
Murali Srinivas

For a simple query , why you are taking it so personal !
Just read your message & for me it conveys that sort of meaning & hence I queried you. If you dont like it, leave it for good.
I am not here for useless statistics which have no concrete evidence. can you provide a clear proof to your claim ?

What are we going to do with the proofs you are asking for? It can be done in other manner also. If you have proof that the movie you also can come and put those. NT as of now is not competing with anyone for BO pull.

Some nice discussions are going on here. If we cant participate either be a listener or an outsider instead of being a spoiler.

Murali Srinivas
19th October 2007, 06:53 PM
BG,

I never took it personal. Just as you had mentioned that my post gives the inference, same way your post gave an impression that looked like generating a issue.

If you had gone thro' the previous exchanges between PR, NOV and me, we were giving out details in general regarding Needhi. There is no need to prove the BO prowess of NT now as Thiru has rightly pointed out. If I start to say more on this (BO performance) obviously it would lead to comparisons which could lead to issues. For eg, that's why, in spite of knowing fully well a data given by Rajaram (Sigappu rojakkal -200 days in Madurai - refer previous post) was wrong, I didn't even comment on that.

Here we are highlighting the positive aspects of NT and his films. So we expect contributions to that effect.

Thiru,

Thanks for putting it across in a clear fashion.

Regards

saradhaa_sn
19th October 2007, 07:27 PM
Dear Billgates (nice name)....

If anyone tells any of the NT movies as a hit one (which was actually a failed one), then, before anyone point out that mistake, we (NT fans) will clarify them as it was a flopped movie and not a hit. So if we say a movie as a hit one in Box Office, that means it would be definitey a hit one. We never argue that Chitra Pournami and vaira Nenjam are hit movies. Even if anyone tell like that, we will correct them.

Do you want us to prove that Needhi is hit in Box office, by providing DCR (Daily Collection Register) from the theatres?.

saradhaa_sn
19th October 2007, 07:50 PM
Whenever we open last three pages in this thread, we are getting the result as "NO POSTS EXISTING IN THIS PAGE".

At the same time we have no provision to open 4th page from last, because only last three page numbers appear in the index.

I cant understand what is going on here.

Billgates
20th October 2007, 07:00 AM
Murali Srinivasa

If my post also gives any wrong message, I wish to withdraw. What I request is , Sivaji Ganesan is a great actor. We should focus more on his movies but not about his collection stats. Whats the use of those info ? especially when you have no proof to establish . All must be hearsay no ? Hence that post of mine.
Pls talk more about his old movies , especially those movies where he played as villain. I think Rangoon radha he played a very good soft villain. Is it correct ? can someone write about that movie .
Also if someone can write about Koondu kili, great no !

Saradha,
I also had the same problem of yours. but pls click the link & you will be led to this thread. Same for many threads.

NOV
20th October 2007, 08:08 PM
We should focus more on his movies but not about his collection stats. Whats the use of those info ? especially when you have no proof to establish . All must be hearsay no ?
I don't think you should determine on what is to be discussed and what should not be discussed.

p.s: Old habits die hard, but we believe everyone should be given an opportunity to change. and this should be valued.

RajaRam
20th October 2007, 09:14 PM
What are trying to say here? Not sure how is your response related to this post?



it will tell you that NT is the only actor in tamil cinema who made run-away success with movies that are not action oriented. He was the only one who shattered the notion that only action movies can make it big

TAC sir,
for the above comments only I replied.



1980s ticket rate was not so low, not at least in Madurai. I remember we have paid around Rs.10+ (I class) when we saw Punnaigai Mannan at Abhirami.

Even in 1993 the highest ticket rate was Rs6.50 in non a/c theatre in madurai.



1980s, golden period? Every one knows 1960s were golden time for tamil movies.

In 60s and 70s MGR and shivaji were dominated. i don't know whether other movies did better bussiness than MGR and shivaji movies.
but in 80s new heroes and new directors movies did an excellent business than big heroes movies.. thats why I mentioned that 80s are golden period.



BTW, what is the seating capacity at all these theaters? Max 300?

Minipriya - 400, sugapriya - 450 and sakthi - 400.
Shivaji's 'Sandhippu' ran 175 days in sugapriya which declared as super hit movie. :)
BTW I mentioned them for non action movies.



Did VMaayam run for 200 days in N.Cinema?

I went to watch VM with my school friends after 180 days and still I remember that 200 days poster was pasted all over the city.



It does not mean that the movie was removed in 10 days.

I don't want to reply. :D



You know how many movies NT ran 100+ days in one of the biggest theaters in Asia, Madurai Thangam?? Karnan, Padikkatha
Medhai and Parasakthi. None has ever beaten this NT record.

Sir,
I mentioned 80s movies(especially for Thrisoolam success mentioned by Murali sir) not 60s and 70s.

RajaRam
20th October 2007, 09:27 PM
Btw, Is contineous 401 housefull shows feet by Thirisoolam defeated by any of the movies you mentioned ?


Boss,

I don't know whether thirisoolam ran with continuous 401 housefull shows. but it ran till 200 days only.
at the same time 'Oru thalai ragam' and 'Vaazve maayam' also ran 200 days.
MM ran 175 days in same chintamani theatre and 100 days in saraswathy theatre.

OTR had new hero,new heroiene and new director.
Kamal was upcoming hero.
Bhagyaraj had just 5 years experience.

So IMO MM,OTR and VM were better than Thrisoolam success. because in late 70s and early 80s shivaji was no 1 hero.

for example In one business I invested 1rs and got 5rs returns and in another business, I invested 3 rs and got 5rs returns. In both business I got 5rs returns. but profit wise first business is better than second one.
Don't beat me. :)

saradhaa_sn
21st October 2007, 03:08 PM
In 60s and 70s MGR and shivaji were dominated. i don't know whether other movies did better bussiness than MGR and shivaji movies.
but in 80s new heroes and new directors movies did an excellent business than big heroes movies.. thats why I mentioned that 80s are golden period.

வெள்ளி விழாவைக்கடந்து ஓடியவை...

பணமா பாசமா 1968(ஜெமினி)
ஆதி பராசக்தி 1971(ஜெமினி)
காதலிக்க நேரமில்லை (முத்துராமன், ரவி) 1964
நான் 1967 (ரவிச்சந்திரன்)
ஆட்டுக்கார அலமேலு 1978 (சிவகுமார்)

நூறு நாட்களைத் தாண்டி ஓடியவை

பாத காணிக்கை (ஜெமினி) 1962
இது சத்தியம் (அசோகன்) 1963
காத்திருந்த கண்கள் (ஜெமினி) 1962
நெஞ்சில் ஓர் ஆலயம் (முத்துராமன்) 1962
மணி ஓசை (கல்யாண குமர்) 1963
குழந்தையும் தெய்வமும் (ஜெய்) 1965
பஞ்சவர்ணக்கிளி (ஜெய்) 1965
ராமு (ஜெமினி) 1966
பட்டணத்தில் பூதம் (ஜெய்) 1967
பாமா விஜயம் (முத்துராமன்)1967
பூவா தலையா (ஜெமினி, ஜெய்) 1968
எதிர் நீச்சல் (நாகேஷ்) 1968
அதே கண்கள் (ரவிச்சந்திரன்) 1967
இதயக் கமலம் (ரவிச்சந்திரன்) 1966
சாந்தி நிலையம் (ஜெமினி) 1969
அக்கா தங்கை (ஜெய்) 1969
இருகோடுகள் (ஜெமினி) 1969
வா ராஜா வா (மாஸ்டர் பிரபாகர்) 1969
திருமலை தென்குமரி (சிவகுமார்) 1970
மாணவன் (ஜெய்) 1970
உத்தரவின்றி உள்ளே வா (ரவிச்சந்திரன்) 1971

........இன்னும் பட்டியல் ரொம்ப நீளம்.

RajaRam
21st October 2007, 05:44 PM
Saradha madam/sir,
As per your data,3 movies ran 175 days in 60s and 2 movies in 70s.
I think you have given chennai report.

80s movies list which crossed 175 days in Madurai
----------------------------------------------------
1.Oru thalai raagam - 200days
2.Vaazve maayam - 200 days
3.Payanangal mudivathillai - 175 days
4.Nenjathai killathe - 200 days
5.paalaivanacholai - 200 days
6.kudumbam oru kadambam - 175 days
7.Manal kayiru - 200 days
8.Ilamai kalangal - 175 days
9.kopurangal saaivathillai - 175 days.
10.vidhi - 175 days
11.malayur mambattiyan - 100days in thangam theatre- 2000 seat capacity(equivalent to 175 days)
12.Thooral ninnu pochu - 100days in thangam theatre
13.Munthanai mudichu - 175 days
14.Mouna geethangal - 160 days.
(In the above list I mentioned only one kamal movie. after 82 he became super star. so I didn't mention others)

Also I mentioned only early 80s.

Do you want late 80s(only 175 days list)? :D

abkhlabhi
21st October 2007, 10:54 PM
Please any one tell the correct time of birth of NT

DHANUSU
22nd October 2007, 12:05 AM
சிவந்த மண் - ஒளிப்பதிவு

ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் என். பாலகிருஷ்ணனின் கைவண்னத்தில் "சிவந்த மண்" படத்தின் ஒவ்வொரு ஃப்ரேமும் கண்ணில் ஒற்றிக்கொள்ளும்படி அமைந்திருக்கும். அதற்கு அருமையான ஆங்கிள்கள் செட் செய்த இயக்குனர் SREEDHAR க்கும் பாராட்டுக்கள். சிவந்த மண் என்றதும் பெரும்பாலோர் வெளிநாட்டில் படமாக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகளையே சொல்வார்கள்.

அந்தப்படத்தின் தோல்விக்கு பெரும் காரணமே "அது வெளிநாட்டில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட படம்" என்ற அளவுக்கு மீறிய, அபரிமிதமான எதிர்பார்ப்புத்தான் என்று சொல்வேன். அப்படி ஒரு பெரிய எதிர்பார்ப்பு இல்லாமல் வந்திருந்தால் அது பெரிய வெற்றியடைந்திருக்கும் என்பது நிச்சயம். இந்தியாவில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகளே அப்படத்தை வெற்றியடைய வைத்திருக்கும்.

(அப்படி அளவுக்கு மீறிய எதிர்பார்ப்பினால் அடிபட்டுப்போன இன்னொரு படம் 'ராஜராஜசோழன்')

உண்மையில் சொல்லப்போனால் வெளிநாட்டுக்காட்சிகளை விட உள்நாட்டில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகளே நம்மை பிரமிக்க வைக்கும். லைட் எஃபெக்டுகள் எல்லாம் அற்புதமாக அமைந்திருக்கும்.

உதாரணத்துக்கு சில:

1) நாகேஷ் - சச்சு நடத்தும் மதுபானக்கடையின் (பார்) அரங்க அமைப்பும், லைட்டிங்கும் ஆங்கிலப்படங்களுக்கு நிகராக அமைந்திருக்கும்.

2) கிளிமாக்ஸ் காட்சியில் ராணுவ ஜீப்கள் அனிவகுத்து வேகமாகப் பறந்து செல்லும் காட்சியமைப்பில் ஒளிப்பதிவு சூப்பர்.

3) நீங்கள் குறிப்பிட்ட எலிகாப்டர் காட்சியிலும், ஒளிப்பதிவாளரின் பங்கு அருமை. இயக்குனரும் கூட. குறிப்பாக, புரட்சிக்காரர்கள் ஓடி வந்து திடீரென்று தரையில் படுத்துக்கொள்ள அவர்களை ஒட்டியே குண்டுகள் வந்து விழும்போது, நம் ரத்தம் உறைந்து போகும். அதுபோல சிவாஜி ஓடிவந்து பள்ளத்தில் குதிக்க, அவர் தலையை உரசுவது செல்லும் எலிகாப்டர். இவற்றில் டைமிங் அருமையாக கையாலப்பட்டிருக்கும்.

4) கப்பலில் வெடிகுண்டு வைக்க புரட்சிக்காரர்கள் செல்லும்போது, கையாளப்பட்டிருக்கும் நைட் எஃபெக்ட் லைட்டிங்கும், கயிறு வழியாக சிவாஜி ஏறுவதை, கப்பலின் மேலிருந்து காட்டும் சூப்பர் ஆங்கிளும். அதே நேரம், கப்பலின் உள்ளே நடக்கும் ராதிகாவின் நடனமும், அதற்கு மெல்லிசை மாமன்னரின் இசை வெள்ளமும்.

5) ரயில் பாலத்துக்கு வெடிகுண்டு வைக்க சிவாஜி போவதை, கீழேயிருந்து படம் பிடித்திருக்கும் அற்புதக்கோணம், அப்போது சிவாஜியின் கால் சற்று சறுக்கும்போது நம் இதயமே சிலிர்க்கும்.

6) ஒளிந்து வாழும் சிவாஜி, தன் அம்மாவைப்பார்க்க இரவில் வரும்போது, மாளிகையைச்சுற்றி அமைக்கப்பட்டிகும் நைட் எஃபெக்ட் லைட்டிங்.

7) நம்பியாரால் கைது செய்யப்பட்டு, சிறைக்கு அனுப்பப்பட்ட சிவாஜி, ஜெயில் அதிகாரியை பிணையாக வைத்துக்கொண்டு, அத்தனை துப்பாக்கிகளையும் தன் வசப்படுத்தியதோடு, தன் கைவிலங்கை துப்பாக்கி குண்டால் உடைத்துக்கொண்டு தப்பிக்கும் காட்சி.

8) வாகினி ஸ்டுடியோவில் அமைக்கப்பட்ட, சுழன்று சுழன்று தண்ணீர் ஓடும் ஆறு. அதை இரவு வேளையில் காண்பிக்கும் அழகு.

9) அரண்மனை முன்னால் போராட்டம் நடத்த வந்த கூட்டத்தினரை, துப்பாக்கி ஏந்திய குதிரை வீரர்கள் விரட்டியடிக்க மக்கள் சிதறி ஓடும் காட்சி.



More on "Sivanda mann"

1. During the filming of the helicopter secne, narrated by Sharada madam, Sivaji had a providential escape; had he not tucked his head on time just by reflex, as can be seen in the film, things would have been different (cant describe that in words). This was narrated by the director Sridhar in the "Kumudam" edited by him, many years ago.
2. The "river" set was constructed in Vijaya studios and due some defiencies, the set got collapsed and the entire Vadapalani was flooded with water. The set was remade with the help of qualified engineers. This was stated by Sachu, in a TV interview.
3. The mellowed acting by "Javar" Seetharaman, as the captivated King is simply superb. It is a misfortune of Tamil cinema that this versatile actor passed away much early.
4. Another wonderful performance is from the mother of Sivaji ( I am unable to recollect her name; she acted as Sivaji's mother in Vasantha Maaligai too). Watch out for her acting prowess in the King's court where Nambiar asks her to identify her Son (Bharat) among the prisonars, when she retards him that 'all are her children' with a powerful dialogue delivery. The dialogues in this scene, which is one of the highlights of the movie, are simply superb. Nambiar asks one of his men to disrobe the mother (to identify the Son) and this enrages the commander of the forces who shouts for killing Nambiar for the insult meted out to Motherhood, before felling for his bullets.
5. During the fighting scene between Nambiar and Sivaji in the inflated baloon (a novel concept during those days- and the only the other movie in which the inflated baloons were used was Shanti Nilayam, during a song sequence featuring Kanchana and Nagesh with children- and I dont know which film was released first), at the last round of fight, with Nambiar holding the Knife and rushing towards Sivaji, Kanchana would scream and the camera will focus on Sivaji and Nambiar (close-up shot). To the viewers it would appear, from the facial expressions of Sivaji and Nambiar, that Nambiar has killed Sivaji. Slowly the camera will zoom out and it will be clear to us that actually Sivaji killed Nambiar, when he retrieves the knife from the later's body and pushes him down from the baloon. A clever scene!!
6. The Portugeese company people who meet Nambiar for some business deal, talk among themselves, in Chaste Marathi!!

mr_karthik
22nd October 2007, 01:26 PM
In 60s and 70s MGR and shivaji were dominated. i don't know whether other movies did better bussiness than MGR and shivaji movies.
but in 80s new heroes and new directors movies did an excellent business than big heroes movies.. thats why I mentioned that 80s are golden period.

வெள்ளி விழாவைக்கடந்து ஓடியவை...

பணமா பாசமா 1968(ஜெமினி)
ஆதி பராசக்தி 1971(ஜெமினி)
காதலிக்க நேரமில்லை (முத்துராமன், ரவி) 1964
நான் 1967 (ரவிச்சந்திரன்)
ஆட்டுக்கார அலமேலு 1978 (சிவகுமார்)

நூறு நாட்களைத் தாண்டி ஓடியவை

பாத காணிக்கை (ஜெமினி) 1962
இது சத்தியம் (அசோகன்) 1963
காத்திருந்த கண்கள் (ஜெமினி) 1962
நெஞ்சில் ஓர் ஆலயம் (முத்துராமன்) 1962
மணி ஓசை (கல்யாண குமர்) 1963
குழந்தையும் தெய்வமும் (ஜெய்) 1965
பஞ்சவர்ணக்கிளி (ஜெய்) 1965
ராமு (ஜெமினி) 1966
பட்டணத்தில் பூதம் (ஜெய்) 1967
பாமா விஜயம் (முத்துராமன்)1967
பூவா தலையா (ஜெமினி, ஜெய்) 1968
எதிர் நீச்சல் (நாகேஷ்) 1968
அதே கண்கள் (ரவிச்சந்திரன்) 1967
இதயக் கமலம் (ரவிச்சந்திரன்) 1966
சாந்தி நிலையம் (ஜெமினி) 1969
அக்கா தங்கை (ஜெய்) 1969
இருகோடுகள் (ஜெமினி) 1969
வா ராஜா வா (மாஸ்டர் பிரபாகர்) 1969
திருமலை தென்குமரி (சிவகுமார்) 1970
மாணவன் (ஜெய்) 1970
உத்தரவின்றி உள்ளே வா (ரவிச்சந்திரன்) 1971

........இன்னும் பட்டியல் ரொம்ப நீளம்.

Saradha madam,

Some more missing movies in your 'Hit List' (Non-MGR, Non-Shivaji)

More than "Silver Jubilee"

Server Sundaram
(Dhevarin) Dheivam

More than 100 Days

Karpagam
Vaanambaadi
Poompukhaar
Chithi
Vennira Aadai
Kumarippen
Thunaivan
Vallavan Oruvan
Moonrezuththu
Pugundha Veedu
Pookkaari
Kasethaan Kadavulada
Kaaviya Thalaivi
Arangetram
Aval oru thodarkadhai
Agaththiyar
Varuvan Vadivelan
Sooriya Gandhi

Thirumaran
22nd October 2007, 01:34 PM
Please any one tell the correct time of birth of NT

Ithu ethukku :roll:

Murali Srinivas
22nd October 2007, 10:03 PM
Dear Rajaram,

I told you two things. One was let us not start comparing which will lead to unnecessary issues. Second one was don't give wrong info about the no of days or the release dates etc. But you keep on doing both. Why I don't want the comparison because, today you are comparing NT films with other films. Based on this, this thread may witness some other comparison of lesser actors films with Kamal and Rajini movies. Your wordings have a tendency to provoke others. Please refrain from this type of posting.

About the no of days, I told you that you are giving wrong info without any basis. I will give you just 2 examples of your wrong info

1. Sigappu Rojakkal - you said 200 days in Sakthi, Madurai.

Sigappu rojakkal was released on 30th October,1978 (Deepavali) all over TN but in Madurai it was released on 9th November 1978. That was the first movie to be released in 1,4,7,10 timings in Madurai. (Again Nov 9th Opening Show Paarthen). This film ran till April 13th of 1979 and Puthiya Vaarpukal was released on 14th April, 1979. So starting from Nov 9th till April 13th the no of days are 156 days. So where is the question of 200 days?

2. Nenjathai Killathe - you said 200 Days at Madurai.

Nenjathai Killathe was released on 12th Dec of 1980 (as usual Opening show) at CinePriya and later shifted to MiniPriya. Ungal list-leye adhutha padam Palai Vana cholai was released on May 1st in the same MiniPriya. Dec 12th 1980 to April 30th 1981 varaikkum no of days evvalavu? It is 140 Days. Ok - ya ? ( Nenjathai Killathe May 1st andru SugaPriya shift panninargal endru argument panna vendam.Kaaranam Suga Priya open aanadhe Nov 7th of 1981 with Tik!Tik!Tik!)

In the same manner I can also prove about Vaazhve Maayam and others. Mudhalail idhai ezhutha vendam endru ninaithen. You made me to write this.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
22nd October 2007, 10:16 PM
Dear Dhanusu,

Enna adikkadi kaanamal poi vidukeergal?

Abkh,

Would try to get it for you.

BG,

I don't want to prolong the argument with you. Whatever I write, I can prove. Even collection statistics, I can prove what I provide. But since I don't want this thread to be hijacked to another level, I am not writing all those things.

On the other hand what you had asked for is a good thing (ie) discussion about NT films where his characters had a shade of grey.We have done it earlier and we would be doing it as and when it comes up.

Regards

NOV
23rd October 2007, 06:58 AM
Annai Illam on Astro Vellithirai today at 6pm. :D

tacinema
23rd October 2007, 07:17 AM
Murali,

You are amazing me again by giving the release dates. So far, I have assumed that you memorized only NT (may be MGR movies included) movie release dates and other details.

But, now, it seems that you have details about pretty much all the movies. You are becoming a lexicon on your own. How do you remember these details?

I seriously suggest you that you can release a book on tamil movies.

Proud of having you as an NT fan - a fan with an amazing talent

Regards

Billgates
23rd October 2007, 10:11 AM
[tscii:8ea0cf9fa9]Murali Srinivasa

Really commendable effort .

Very interesting info you have been giving on release dates , noof days run etc . How ? I think you have a very good website link or some good contacts in Madurai. Good. Likewise, can you give box office details of other centres also. Or in your opinion, only Madurai is the epicenter of Box office collecions. Even Chennai is secondary to you ? Probably u can give about Kovai , Trichy, Other major cities in TN to justify that Sivaji Ganesan movies really ran well in toto.

Somewhere you have tried your best to justify the Sivaji Ganesan movies of the end 70s and 80s . Normally an actor’s performance and quality goes up as years pass by ( due to wealth of experience & exposure to multiple characters ). Kamal Hassan is only classic example . Everyday his prowess only takes a high & I am proud of him . But in case of Sivaji Ganesan, it seems to be the other way. His quality of performance only seem to deteriorate over a period of time in comparison with the magnificent 60s during which he was the real champion actor byond par. Do you have any justification on the roles played by him and are you going to vouch that he produced real high quality acting performance during the end 70s and 80s ? In other words, the benchmark that he had set during the 60s , even Sivaji himself could not reach that levels later which is a pity. Dont blamce his friends, directors, producer friends for this debacle because if someone is a true artist, he should shun such things .

Ok. This query is not for Murali only. Even others can try to give their view points.
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joe
23rd October 2007, 10:27 AM
[tscii:4c6d2dc06d]"எந்தப் படத்தை ரீ&மேக் பண்ணலாம்னு யோசிச்சப்ப பளிச்சுனு தோணினது ‘பராசக்தி’. கலைஞர் கிட்டே அனுமதி கேட்க-லாம்னு போனேன். ‘பரா-சக்தி’ன்னு சொன்னதுமே ‘வேண்-டாம், விட்டுடு! அது ஆபத்தான விளையாட்டு’ன்னு மறுத்துட்டார். ‘பராசக்தி’ படம் ‘சிவாஜி’ என்கிற மிகப் பெரிய நடிகரோட பதிவு. அதை ரீ&மேக் செய்தால், சிவாஜியோடு உன்னை ஒப்பிட்டுப் பார்ப்பாங்க. நீ என்ன பண்ணினாலும் மக்கள் ஏத்-துக்க மாட்டாங்க’ன்னு சொன்னார்."

- விகடனில் பாடலாசிரியர் ( & நடிகர்) விஜய்.[/tscii:4c6d2dc06d]

joe
23rd October 2007, 10:35 AM
Other major cities in TN to justify that Sivaji Ganesan movies really ran well in toto.

I think It is not necessary to argue to justify NT's BO power for many decades ..It is a fact and history.


Do you have any justification on the roles played by him and are you going to vouch that he produced real high quality acting performance during the end 70s and 80s ?

FYI ,This thread is Part3 and I suggest you to read 250 pages so far (Important links are available in Page 1 of this thread) and come back ..We have given and discussed all sorts of justification you are seeking here ..Thanks. :)

Billgates
23rd October 2007, 12:56 PM
How many movies he had acted ? 250 or 275 or 300 ? ( incldg other languages )

mr_karthik
23rd October 2007, 01:26 PM
But in case of Sivaji Ganesan, it seems to be the other way. His quality of performance only seem to deteriorate over a period of time in comparison with the magnificent 60s during which he was the real champion actor byond par. Do you have any justification on the roles played by him and are you going to vouch that he produced real high quality acting performance during the end 70s and 80s ? In other words, the benchmark that he had set during the 60s , even Sivaji himself could not reach that levels later which is a pity. Dont blamce his friends, directors, producer friends for this debacle because if someone is a true artist, he should shun such things .

Ok. This query is not for Murali only. Even others can try to give their view points.


Billgates, first thanks for accepting his achievements in 60's. (But you are trying to make it as a weapon to attack him about his performances in 80s)

The period you mentioned 60s, a movie 'Palani' was released with his quality of performance, but what was the result?. How people received it?.

At the same time in 80s do you know the result of 'Thirisoolam'..??. The cash boxes of the Producer, Distributers, and Theatre Owners had been overflowed with currencies.

Unless people like that movie...
Unless they watched it in repeated times...
Unless they think, it is worthful to see again and again, by paying their hard earned money....
How was it possible...?????.

So, Billgates may not like his performances in 80s, but MASS liked it, and that is MOST IMPORTANT.

Murali Srinivas
23rd October 2007, 08:23 PM
Dear All,

Our Fellow hubber Raghavendar (Ragasudha), the designer of www.nadigarthilagam.com had come out with the Tamil version of the website and the details which he had earlier provided in English are now available in Tamil also. So now there are both Tamil and English versions available.

tac,

Thanks for your compliments. But as you had mentioned, I had not memorized the data. Whatever I had followed up with passion had remained etched in my mind and I was very passionate about cinema,politics and sports especially cricket. Then basically I was able to recollect/recall incidents/dates etc and by God's grace, I am still able to do it though it had gone down a bit. Hope to live up to all you peoples' expectation.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
23rd October 2007, 08:24 PM
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DHANUSU
24th October 2007, 12:20 PM
But in case of Sivaji Ganesan, it seems to be the other way. His quality of performance only seem to deteriorate over a period of time in comparison with the magnificent 60s during which he was the real champion actor byond par. Do you have any justification on the roles played by him and are you going to vouch that he produced real high quality acting performance during the end 70s and 80s ? In other words, the benchmark that he had set during the 60s , even Sivaji himself could not reach that levels later which is a pity. Dont blamce his friends, directors, producer friends for this debacle because if someone is a true artist, he should shun such things .

Ok. This query is not for Murali only. Even others can try to give their view points.





Billgates, first thanks for accepting his achievements in 60's. (But you are trying to make it as a weapon to attack him about his performances in 80s)

The period you mentioned 60s, a movie 'Palani' was released with his quality of performance, but what was the result?. How people received it?.

At the same time in 80s do you know the result of 'Thirisoolam'..??. The cash boxes of the Producer, Distributers, and Theatre Owners had been overflowed with currencies.

Unless people like that movie...
Unless they watched it in repeated times...
Unless they think, it is worthful to see again and again, by paying their hard earned money....
How was it possible...?????.

So, Billgates may not like his performances in 80s, but MASS liked it, and that is MOST IMPORTANT.

I agree with Karthik totally. I feel this discussion on Sivaji's acting prowess during various decades, is uncalled for. The moot point is that he scaled the heights of acting at a very young age, effortlessly. He need not have to scale the same peaks again and again to prove that. Tenzing scaled Everest only once and his name is etched in history for ever. Nobody will ask whether he scaled the peak again and again. The scale achieved by Sivaji can never be reached by anyone. This has been admitted by all the actors, both his contemporaries as well as next generation actors. That is why Sivaji is aptly called as actor's actor. One has to note the period in which Sivaji made his achievements. It was in late fifties and early sixties, when the technical advancement was in infant stage or rather yet to take off. Even Kamalahaasan has wondered more than once that people of current generation have so many avenues to get inspiration and so many actors before them for reference but in those days there was virtually none. Sivaji is respected precisely for this reason.

RajaRam
24th October 2007, 08:59 PM
Murali sir,

100% I am confident that both SR and NK ran 200 days.
In 80s my family was living near by sakthi theatre and still I remember the 200 days celebration(though i didn't watch SR).

any how next time when I go to madurai, I will check with theatre office.

by the way still you are not giving your answer to my comments about Thrisoolam success. :)

ie.Thrisoolam vs OTR,MM and VM.

I am expecting your views.... :)

joe
25th October 2007, 07:46 AM
In the new Vijay TV serial 'MADURAI' ,the hero is potrayed as a NT fan :D and NT name has been refered many times ..Yesterday episode ,when Hero upset with heroine ,almost the whole song "Yaarukkaga" was screened behind and Hero imitating NT (Just for fun) ..The director Mr .Jerald must be a HC NT fan. :)

Murali Srinivas
25th October 2007, 06:37 PM
Dear Rajaram,

Really I don't know what to say. Even after I have conclusively proved with release dates of the movies you mentioned and the release dates of the movies which replaced them, if you are still insisting that what you said is correct, then I have nothing to say except one thing. I have been in this forum for the past 18-19 months. I don't know how much of my posts you have read or followed. But people who read my post from day 1 will be aware that I don't write anything which I am not sure of. So I don't think that I need to say anything more to prove what I have already told.
You are most welcome to check with the theatre people.

Again I didn't want to reply regarding the comparison of Tirusoolam's success with other movies because if I start replying then these comparisons would hurt so many people, which I don't want to do. But one thing(which I have already posted in movie of the week thread, when we had an argument), films of lesser stars at times have done well than the films of established stars. This has happened/happening/will happen as long as Tamil Film industry is there. So just because a movie of a lesser star had done well than a NT movie, it does not make NT any inferior.

Even the example you had provided is not apt. Because Tirusoolam was released in 1979. Oru Thalai Raagam was released in 1980. Vazhve Maayam was in 1982 and Mundhanai Mudichu was in 1983. If all the four films had got released in the same year atleast, we can look at their performance. When all the four films have been released in 4 different years, how can you compare?

One thing is sure. Tirusoolam was the biggest hit of 1979 and all others were far far behind.

Regards

mr_karthik
25th October 2007, 07:29 PM
Dear Murali sir,

My humble request is, you no need to clarify to anyone who are not ready to accept the facts. My wonder is, why everybody insisting you to prove everything with evidences?. Why not they do it, if they have proper evidence..??.

They will simply say 'this movie run for 300 days, that movie run for 400 days...etc...etc...' . If we refuse it with proper evidences, they will not accept it.

ivar menakkettu theatrekku pOyi andha padam Odichaa illaiyaannu confirm panninaaraam... nalla kadhaiyaa irukke.

You clearly gave the release date of 'that movie' in a particular theatre and also gave the date when 'that movie' was lifted from the theatre for the release of another movie. thatsall.

idhaivida clear evidence veru enna vendum..?.

adhukku melum andha padam Odichunnu adam pidithaal enna arththam?. avanga veettula kondu pOy Ottunaangalaa?.

vidunga sir, ivangalai ellaam enna evidence koduthaalum convince panna mudiyaathu.

Murali sir, please dont break your on this issue.

Billgates
26th October 2007, 10:53 AM
[tscii:64580f78df]Nevertheless, the grand success of Thirusoolam is actually the biggest joke of Sivaji’s career. Sivaji Ganesan was already in his 50s probably and act as a Young bull type character , I mean that 3rd guy is something ridiculous. More surprising is to note that this is his home production. Atleast someone wiser should have advised him to refrain from acting in that role but who will do that ?
I think this movie became a focal point for his critics to ridicule time and again .
What is really questionable is that how this movie became such a huge success !
None except his ardent fans must have seen this movie.
Acting alongside the likes of Sripriya & all is aweful to say the least.

After this movie, the slide seem to have started for this great actor . Sivaji should have avoided after watching the likes of Kamal / Rajini who were very young at that time. How can be compete with some group who were atleast 25 years younger ! Probably Sivaji Ganesan didn’t have a good advisor, well wisher to caution him then.

Finally, it’s the kind of fans who really killed his cinema career in the end 70s and 80s . All those who must have been around 17 to 20 years then must have done the damage to his career. Pity. After movies like Thirusoolam , Sivaji Ganesan actually became a very ordinary actor ( the exceptions being Mudhal mariyadhai, Devar Magan and few more ). A true fan wouldn’t digest that 3rd character for sure.

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joe
26th October 2007, 11:47 AM
None except his ardent fans must have seen this movie.

:lol: :lol: In the name of digging ,you are actually praising NT's fan base ..If a movie which has demolished all previous BO records of tamil film History ,have been seen only by his fans ,imagine the strength of NT's fan base :lol:

NT fans,
Now it is clear what is Mr.Billagtes's intension ..Please ignore this person.

Billgates
26th October 2007, 12:21 PM
Mr. Joe,

You have got it wrong ! A movie can also get more collections due to repeat viewing by blind fans. You have missed that aspect.
As Sivaji Ganesan was touching another significant milestone , thats his 200th movie no ? It should have been something on the ranks of Mudhal Mariyaadhai or Devar Magan or some nice characterisation like Thanga Padhakkam because Sivaji was in upper middle age group at that time.

And this was what I expected from really knowledgeable fans of Sivaji & not those who dwell in counting the box office records / 100 day runs.

If at all anyone views this movie today, it will be a real embarrassment for Sivaji . I am sorry to say this.

Hope you ar clear now