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smss_engineer
8th November 2006, 06:33 PM
Reference
http://csr-wcmlessons.blogspot.com


Lesson 1


[b]Part-I: Differentiation of instruments and voices
Take Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiran song. In the beginning, the flute states “Chinna kannan Azhaikkiraan” . Then followed by Dr Balamurali Krishna stating that sentence. You already feel the difference between a flute and Dr BMK’s voice. Don’t’ you ! That’s all enough to state that ”there are difference between voice and an instrument !

Similarly there are differences between various instruments, various voices..etc. Same china kannan if sung by SJanaki, you differentiate that ! Similarly, a flute varies from Guitar from violin etc

Next thing, listen to “Thulli Thulli…” of Chippikkul Muthu (or Suvvi Suvvi of Swathi Muthyam ) Initially, SPB makes some Aalaap like “Aaaa Aaaa" . His voice travels to high pitch, drop down, goes bottom of his voice, picking up slowly raising and again reaching top…

So some range of sound level he is showing in that song.


Its all about the feeling and most of the time your feelings are right ! In a scale of say 100 %, each of these voices or instruments cover say 30 to 60% only, and the starting and ending point differs for these ranges.
One good instrument cover all these ranges is the Piano or the Keyboard.

smss_engineer
8th November 2006, 06:40 PM
Keyboard or harmonium

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nilavupriyan
8th November 2006, 08:39 PM
both viloin and piano!

yanni's one man's dream is an example...it makes a great feel!

app_engine
8th November 2006, 09:07 PM
I voted for flute (esp. in connection with IR) 'cause the melancholy he creates with flute is so emotional and stays longer...ofcourse solo violin does the job most of the times (in fact it's stereotyped for sOgham by one and all), but on each occasion that flute is used to create this feeling...the effect is too powerful and lasting...

smss_engineer
8th November 2006, 09:26 PM
IR's carnatic raga based songs

Charukesi
S R2 G3 M1 P D1 N2 S | S N2 D1 P M1 G3 R2 S

1. Aadal Kalayae( Sri Raghavendra )

2. Amma Nee Sumandha (Annaiyor Aalayam)

3. Arumbagi Mottaagi (Enga Ooru Kavalkaaran )

4. Chinna Ponnu Chinna Ponnu (Aruvadai Naal)

5. Chinnanjiru Kiliye(Mundhaanai Mudichu)

6. Kadhalin Deepam Ondru (Thambikku Entha Ooru )

7. Manamaalayum Manjalum (Vathiyaar Veetu Pillai) (what a song !)

8. Mayanginen Solla Thayanginen(Naane Raja Naane Manthiri)

9. Nallathor Veenai Seithe (Marubadiyum)

10. Petha Manasu (Enna Petha Rasa) (taking carnatic music to the masses)
Sakkara Katti Sakkara Katti Ullae Veliye
Siriya Paravai Andha Oru Nimidam
Thoodhu Selvadharadi Singaravelan
Uyire Uyirin Oliye En Bommukkutti Ammavukku

smss_engineer
8th November 2006, 09:26 PM
IR's carnatic raga based songs

Charukesi
S R2 G3 M1 P D1 N2 S | S N2 D1 P M1 G3 R2 S

1. Aadal Kalayae( Sri Raghavendra )

2. Amma Nee Sumandha (Annaiyor Aalayam)

3. Arumbagi Mottaagi (Enga Ooru Kavalkaaran )

4. Chinna Ponnu Chinna Ponnu (Aruvadai Naal)

5. Chinnanjiru Kiliye(Mundhaanai Mudichu)

6. Kadhalin Deepam Ondru (Thambikku Entha Ooru )

7. Manamaalayum Manjalum (Vathiyaar Veetu Pillai) (what a song !)

8. Mayanginen Solla Thayanginen(Naane Raja Naane Manthiri)

9. Nallathor Veenai Seithe (Marubadiyum)

10. Petha Manasu (Enna Petha Rasa) (taking carnatic music to the masses)

11. Sakkara Katti Sakkara Katti (Ullae Veliye)

12. Siriya Paravai (Andha Oru Nimidam)

Any more
Uyire Uyirin Oliye En Bommukkutti Ammavukku

RR
9th November 2006, 10:55 AM
smss_engineer

"petha manasu" may be a good 'gramathu' song in charukesi. But I wouldn't call it taking carnatic music to masses. He just used the scale. That's better said for "aadal kalaye".

BTW isn't this topic on WCM? :smile2:

smss_engineer
9th November 2006, 11:40 AM
smss_engineer

"petha manasu" may be a good 'gramathu' song in charukesi. But I wouldn't call it taking carnatic music to masses. He just used the scale. That's better said for "aadal kalaye".

BTW isn't this topic on WCM? :smile2:


I think WCM and ICM aren't different., we call it raga and they call it scale!

Shankar
9th November 2006, 01:03 PM
smss_engineer,
It isn't as simple as that...Scales are essentially the framework (categorized into Major & minor scales based on various patterns. For instance: tone-tone-semitone-tone-tone-tone-semitone is a major scale, whichever note it starts from). Ragas are quite specific in that, each of them has a specific characteristic. There is no direct mapping between scales and ragas and many people who know one of the forms get confused about this.

Scales are defined based on the ratio of frequencies between one note and the other. The frequency of the 'tonic' at the end of 'octave' will be twice that of the original 'tonic' note and the perfect 4'th would be 4/3 of the tonic and the perfect fifth would be 3/2 of the tonic and so on. This is the basis for the scales.

Ragas work more like various modes such as lydian, hypolidian and other modes (though Ragas are way too complex compared to modes).

We can discuss this more if you are interested.

rajasaranam
23rd February 2009, 12:38 PM
Whats happening to this thread?!! Will the learned pundits come and enlighten us :)