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NOV
12th August 2006, 12:17 PM
For earlier discussions on Nadigar Thilagam, please go here: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&start=1485

Please continue with your input in this new thread. As usual, no deviations please.
முக்கிய பக்கங்களின் இணைப்புகள்**********************************

திரைப்பட விமரிசனங்கள் / பார்வைகள்
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1.அம்பிகாபதி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

2.என்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

3.ராஜா -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=330)

4.பொன்னூஞ்சல் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -groucho070 (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360)

5.சவாலே சமாளி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=375)

6.அன்பைத் தேடி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=390)

7.எங்க மாமா,மூன்று தெய்வங்கள் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை --சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=405)

8.புதிய பறவை-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=510)

9.அந்த நாள்-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=540)

10.அந்த நாள்-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=555)

11.கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன் - groucho070 (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165)

<a href="http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105">
12.பிராப்தம்,மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்,தர்மம் எங்கே,ராஜராஜசோழன்,சிவகாமியின் செல்வன்,வாணிராணி -ஒரு பார்வை - முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் </a>

13.தங்கச்சுரங்கம் - - சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=615)

14. ஊட்டி வரை உறவு - - rajeshkrv (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735)

15. ஆட்டுவித்தால் யாரொருவர் - அவன் தான் மனிதன் - - சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735)

மற்றவை
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1.உலக அளவில் விருதுகள்! -விகடன் கட்டுரை (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)

2.நடிகர் திலகத்தின் வெற்றி பரணி (1971-1975) -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45)

3.நடிகர் திலகத்தின் திரைப்படங்களின் முழுப் பட்டியல் - நக்கீரன் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120)

4.நாட்டிய மேதையும் நடிகர் திலகமும்!-விகடன் கட்டுரை (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180)

5.நடிகர் திலகம் பிறந்தநாள் விழா நிகழ்ச்சி தொகுப்பு ,நடிகர் திலகம் சினிமாவும் அரசியல் பயணமும் (1980) -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=270)

Murali Srinivas
12th August 2006, 12:32 PM
Dear NOV,

Thanks for the new thread. But just 3 films from NT? This makes the choice very difficult and had left me undecided.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
12th August 2006, 12:34 PM
Dear NOV,

Sorry.Just now I saw movies added up. I will vote (only after a long thought process)

Regards

NOV
12th August 2006, 12:35 PM
Murali, with the Hub being very precarious now, I posted the topic and added more movies, subsequently. We can have 10 options. Would add/review according to makkal's taste. :D

saradhaa_sn
12th August 2006, 12:36 PM
Dear all...

After successfully completeing the first innnings with a big century, I am happy to participate in the second innings, and let us take it to 200 pages.

ThEn kadalil moondru thLigalai mattum thandhu ' edhil inippu adhigam endru kEttAl enna solla mudiyum?'.

nilavupriyan
12th August 2006, 12:37 PM
why dint u add karnan and navarathiri there?

NOV
12th August 2006, 12:37 PM
Sorry.Just now I saw movies added up. I will vote (only after a long thought process)this is purely for fun Murali. Just impossible to choose ONE best movie when we have dozens.... The Pa series movies alone can provide stiff competition - in fact Parasakthy itself is worthy for consideration. :D

I voted for Gauravam - which was literally a one man show; the story being Sivaji vs. Sivaji. :clap:

tvsankar
12th August 2006, 12:39 PM
About Paasamalar -- Family story.So ellarukum anna thangai pasam puriyum.Theriyum .

About Kappalotiya Tamizhan -- VOC -- Ivarai patriyum padamaga padithu irukirom.

About Veerapandiya Kattapomman !!

Sarithirathil irundhalum, paadamaga padithadhu llai. Siridhae therindha oru manidhar.

Avarai patri oru great image ai koduthadhu Nichayam Sivaji Ganesan dhan .
Manadhai vittu neengadha oru manidhanaga VPK ai ninaika vaitha kaaranathal,

Veera Pandiya Kattabomman -- Indha padamae MIGA SIRANDHA padamaga ninaikiaren.

With Love,
Usha Sankar

NOV
12th August 2006, 12:39 PM
why dint u add karnan and navarathiri there?Karnan is worthy... but Navarathri? Hmmm.

saradha, see my post to Murali. :)

Murali Srinivas
12th August 2006, 12:41 PM
Right now I vote for Deiva Magan

Regards

nilavupriyan
12th August 2006, 12:41 PM
saradhaa n mam...

we ought to believe those articles as they are the only source for knowing abt M.G.R and the contemporary heroes!

There is another story too...

it is said by the writer aaroordas..

when M.G.R accepted a movie which is already said to shivaji..shivaji got furious as aaroordas said the story first to shivaji and shivaji acceted to do the film as he is impressed by the script.but when M.G.R asked for a script to aaroordas ,he said this script and M.G.R did that movie!

shivaji dint speak to the writer for many days later he himself apologised!

tye movie is "petral than pillaya"...ive watched this movie once..not suited for M.G.R!Shivaji would have pulled off!

Sanguine Sridhar
12th August 2006, 12:45 PM
I dont which movie to select! Seriously for the first time i took some time to descide! Then i opted Gauravam :)

tvsankar
12th August 2006, 12:49 PM
Dear NOV,
List il matra padangalaiyum ippodhu dhan parthen.


Thanga Pathakkam --- Unmaiyana oru Police Officer aga vae feel panna vaipar indha padathil !!!

Andha nadai. udai. Miduku, GAmbeeram --- Really nice to watch !!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

saradhaa_sn
12th August 2006, 12:56 PM
NOV,

You are right, it is very very difficult to choose.

By the way, why our favourite 'Sikkal Shamugasundaram' from the constituency Thillana mOhanambal, has not filed his nomination in this election...?.

abkhlabhi
12th August 2006, 01:28 PM
When it was running successful is it necessary to start part 2 ? It is like Devi paradise removed Neethi before completing 100 days and released MGR movie.

saradhaa_sn
12th August 2006, 01:46 PM
When it was running successful is it necessary to start part 2 ? It is like Devi paradise removed Neethi before completing 100 days and released MGR movie.
A small correction.........

When producer (actor) Balaji get the story of Hindi movie 'Dhushman' and remade in Tamil as "Neethi", he promissed the Hindi producer, if the Tamil movie rum for 100 days, then he will pay 5 lakhs more for the story.

Thatswhy Balaji lifted 'Needhi' from Devi Paradise on 99th day. (We can see a peculier '99 th Day' shield for Needhi in Devi Paradise Shield-Gallery).

After lifting Needhi, one English movie by name 'Right and the wrong' was released in DP, and not any MGR movie.

NOV
12th August 2006, 02:34 PM
I dont which movie to select! Seriously for the first time i took some time to descide! Then i opted Gauravam :)thambi thanga kambi :D



Thanga Pathakkam --- Unmaiyana oru Police Officer aga vae feel panna vaipar indha padathil !!!
Andha nadai. udai. Miduku, GAmbeeram --- Really nice to watch !!thats nadigar thilagam for you....
thanga pathakkaththil police, gouravaththil lawyer, vietnam veettil civil servant, subramani bharaty, VOC, KOT... ippadiyE adikkikondu pOgalaam

karnan endroruvan irundhirunthaal, avan ipdithaan irundhirukka vEndum... sivaperumaan endraal adhu ipadi thaan endru oru uruvaththai thanthavar nam sivaji allavaa!

NOV
12th August 2006, 02:39 PM
When it was running successful is it necessary to start part 2 ? It is like Devi paradise removed Neethi before completing 100 days and released MGR movie.We try to keep threads within 100 pages, after which it takes a lot of time to load.

Jilaba
12th August 2006, 04:24 PM
Wow, Saradha madam. you are an 'Information Beuro'. Nobody can escape from you by giving wrong informations.

Recent example is Needhi's 99 days.

One small poll:

Which is Shivaji's best 'Comedy movie'?

1) Sabaash Meena
2) Bale Pandiya
3) Ootyvarai uravu
4) Kalatta Kalyaanam
5) Sumathi En Sundhari
6) Moondru Dheivangal

mr_karthik
12th August 2006, 04:52 PM
Jilaba,

what are all the movies given by you are super comedy.

So I vote for them all.

tvsankar
12th August 2006, 05:24 PM
[/quote]thats nadigar thilagam for you....
thanga pathakkaththil police, gouravaththil lawyer, vietnam veettil civil servant, subramani bharaty, VOC, KOT... ippadiyE adikkikondu pOgalaam

karnan endroruvan irundhirunthaal, avan ipdithaan irundhirukka vEndum... sivaperumaan endraal adhu ipadi thaan endru oru uruvaththai thanthavar nam sivaji allavaa![/quote]

Dear NOV,
Neenga solvadhu unmai dhan !!! Nadipai love pannina oru manidhar!! Cinemavil than !! Nija vaazhkaiyil nadika theriyadha oru Nadigan !!! True Actor !!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

tfmlover
12th August 2006, 07:02 PM
Wow, Saradha madam. you are an 'Information Beuro'. Nobody can escape from you by giving wrong informations.

Recent example is Needhi's 99 days.

One small poll:

Which is Shivaji's best 'Comedy movie'?

1) Sabaash Meena
2) Bale Pandiya
3) Ootyvarai uravu
4) Kalatta Kalyaanam
5) Sumathi En Sundhari
6) Moondru Dheivangal

hi some more comedy movies from NT
Arivaali
Manamagal Thevai
THenali Raman
Thooku Thooki

ajithfederer
13th August 2006, 06:03 AM
NOV very very hard to decide from the list :wink:

groucho070
14th August 2006, 09:30 AM
Hi everyone. Been away for Weekend and I missed the Hundredth page.

I also see that the thread had been, err...threading the dangerous waters. With MGRs name thrown in, I think it was spicy...very spicy.

Oh Nov, you know well that I will vote for Gouvaram. Of course, I can understand well why Murali sar voted for Deiva Magan. This movie comes dangerously close to topple Gouvaram. Lets wait few more weeks and watch the voting.

As for Mdm Saradha's posting on APN, it actually answered why 'certain' directors who were working for NT in the 60s did not work with him in 90s. Case in exception was Sridhar, who made money with Sivantha Man and Vaira Nenjam.

I think to discuss NTs career, discussion on MGR is unavoidable. Oh well, lets us not dwell deeper, for I am still new.

I was supposed to watch Avanthan Manithan the weekend, but damnit! Someone borrowed the VCD and never return. It was long time ago...that I can't remember who. I cannot phone everyone and threaten them, can I?

Anyway, I have a question to the wise NT fans. MGR is usually credited for his involvement behind camera. Now, how much has NT involve himself in the other aspects of production? I know that if he produces, he does quality control. But what about other films? Anyone?

m_23_bayarea
14th August 2006, 09:31 AM
GOWRAVAM is unarguably my fav Sivaji movie !!! Man, what a mindblowing performance from the legend !!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

umaramesh
14th August 2006, 01:30 PM
Hi all

Vijay TV is telecasting NT prog on 15th August at 11AM(IST).please do not miss.

ramesh

umaramesh
14th August 2006, 01:34 PM
PARASAKTHI/PAVAMANIPPU/PARTHAL PAASI THEERUM/PALUM PAZHMUM. Diffiult to vote single movie. I cannot vote for single movie. :)

umaramesh

Murali Srinivas
14th August 2006, 06:07 PM
Dear Groucho,

When I voted there was no Karnan and T.Mohanambal. Still as you said I would have gone ahead with DM. Still that doesn't mean it is the best.Many more are there breathing down the neck.

Dear Abkhlabhi/Saradhaa,

Neethi though ran for 99 days in D.Paradise, completed 100 days in Salem thus by becoming the 6th movie out of 7 to have completed 100 days and above, in the calendar year 1972, thereby making the title Hero-72 apt for NT. Later as you know the movie was rechristened as Vaira Nenjam directed by Sridhar.

NT always a staunch nationalist uesd to end his public speeches with Jai Hind. Let us remember that and let me wish all a Happy Independence day wish.

Regards

P_R
14th August 2006, 09:30 PM
I twisted the poll title to my convenience.

It was which was the best Sivaji movie ever. And as a movie, I think 'Thillana Mohanambal' was a very complete movie. Marvellous casting, excellent performances and scintillating music. Great viewing from start to finish. And of course Sivaji's performance is matchless. For instance...

When he goes to Thiruvaroor with (Baliah forcing his company) he sees Balaji visiting Mohana's house and gets miffed. He asks Baliah to go back to Sikkal and says he will go to Nagapatnam and come some time later.

Baliah: Kai selavukku Panam vachurukkiya thambi...?
Sivaji: (seething) panam ennannE panam....panathukkaaga thaanENNe ivaLuga indha aattam aadraaluva.....naanum vachurukkENNEn panam...naanum aadurEn.

You see how a harmless inquiry like the one Baliah makes, touches his sensitive nerve. He goes off on a tangent and the look on the face is one of hurt and bubbling anger.

There are several other instances where you can see the insecure, possesive, even slightly arrogant genius, who is basically a simple man. That performance had a lot of subtleties that is largely overshadowed by the bigger scheme of things. Thus my vote .

tfmlover
15th August 2006, 02:43 AM
Baliah @ vaithee nagesh ..narambu payalE :lol:
best of best movie
nethum paarthen

NOV
15th August 2006, 07:33 AM
* rayilu enna indha aattam aadudhu

* ezhumicha pazham

* sil sil ramaamani

* ei karuppaayi

* minoru

:sigh2:

groucho070
15th August 2006, 08:27 AM
As of now, Gouvaram is still leading the polls. But now you guys are making me feel guilty. Tillana Mohanambal is certainly a great movie. Been sometimes since I've viewed it. My VCD is stuck with someone.

Anyway...for Indian National hubber's everywhere, here's wishing you a Happy Independence day. India, Malaysia and Singapore share the same month for independence. Forgot to wish Joe earlier...

tacinema
15th August 2006, 09:06 AM
Happy independence day to all.

Groucho070, our neighbour Pak also celebrates its independence day in the same month.

I would like to list all NT movies that has nationalistic flavor. I have the following:

1. VP kattabomman
2. Kappalottiya Thamizhan
3. Bharata vilas
4. Raja part Rangathurai (thirupoor kumaran)

I know there are many movies under this category. please add.

joe
15th August 2006, 09:15 AM
groucho070,
Thanks for your wishes.

Singapore's National day is Aug 9th .when is Malaysia's ?

Independence day wishes to all Indian national hubbers!

NT as a true nationalist and one of the main forces spread national spirit to hearts of many youngsters through his characters in many movies ,spl wishes to NT fans..

வாழிய செந்தமிழ்!
வாழ்க நற்றமிழர்!
வாழிய பாரத மணித்திரு நாடு!

tfmlover
15th August 2006, 09:45 AM
Happy independence day to all.

Groucho070, our neighbour Pak also celebrates its independence day in the same month.

I would like to list all NT movies that has nationalistic flavor. I have the following:

1. VP kattabomman
2. Kappalottiya Thamizhan
3. Bharata vilas
4. Raja part Rangathurai (thirupoor kumaran)

I know there are many movies under this category. please add.

raja raja cholan
thaaye unakkaga
en tamilzh en makkal
ratha thilagam
sarithira naayagan
thacholy ambu ? - malayalam
sivandha mann

groucho070
15th August 2006, 09:48 AM
Malaysia's is on 31st this month, Joe. Like India, it was declared on midnight, so there will be plenty of fireworks on 30th midnight. One of the specials on TV on that day is that of Vivek roaming around KL interviewing people on street. Would be interesting.

Would love to wish Pakistani friends, but are there any in this forum?

Coming to NT.

Yes, NT has always had strong patriotism in his movies. I think that what drawn him to VKB and KOT in the first place.

Also, the fact that his own father had been involved in independence movement. I have very little info on his father's involvement. Anyone?

joe
15th August 2006, 09:59 AM
Also, the fact that his own father had been involved in independence movement. I have very little info on his father's involvement. Anyone?

Ofcourse.NT's father was a freedom fighter.If I am not wrong ,when NT born ,he was in jail.

joe
15th August 2006, 10:52 AM
உலக அளவில் விருதுகள்!
சின்னராசு

அமெரிக்காவை அடுத்து சிவாஜிக்கு மிகப்பெரிய மரியாதையை தந்த நாடு பிரான்ஸ் என்று கூறலாம். பிரான்ஸ் நாடு சிவாஜிக்கு வழங்கிய ‘செவாலியே விருது’ மதிப்பில் மிக உயர்ந்தது. அதாவது ஆஸ்கர் விருதுக்கு இணையான மதிப்பு கொண்ட விருது. இந்த விருதை இதுவரை உலகில் நான்கு நடிகர்களுக்கே பிரான்ஸ் வழங்கியுள்ளது.

சிவாஜி நடித்த ‘வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன்’ திரைப்படம் கெய்ரோவில் நடந்த ஆசிய, ஆப்பிரிக்கப் படவிழாவில் கலந்து கொண்டது. அந்த படவிழாவில் பங்கேற்க சிவாஜி, பத்மினி எல்லோரும் போயிருந்தார்கள்.


அந்தப் படவிழாவில் சிவாஜி ஆசிய, ஆப்பிரிக்க அளவில் சிறந்த நடிகராக தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்டார். ஆசிய, ஆப்பிரிக்க கண்டங்கள் என எடுத்துக்கொள்ளும்பொழுது உலக மக்கள் தொகையில் முக்கால் பகுதி மக்கள் தொகை இந்த இரு கண்டங்களிலேயே அடங்கும்!

இந்தியாவும், சீனாவும் மட்டுமே பெரும் மக்கள் தொகையைக் கொண்ட நாடுகள், ஜப்பான், ரஷ்யா, ஹாங்காங்... போன்ற ஏராளமான நாடுகளுடன் ஆப்பிரிக்கா கண்டம் முழுவதும் உள்ள ஏராளமான நாடுகளும் இந்தப் படவிழாவில் பங்கு பெற்றவையாகும்.

இவ்வளவு பெரிய படவிழாவில் சிவாஜியை சிறந்த நடிகராக தேர்ந்தெடுத்தப் பின்னும் இந்திய அரசு வழங்கும் சிறந்த நடிகர் விருதை சிவாஜிக்கு தராமலேயே இருந்துவிட்டார்கள். காரணம் இந்திய அரசு சார்பான இந்த விருதில் அவ்வப்போது செல்வாக்கான மனிதர்களின் குறுக்கீடு இருந்து வந்ததேயாகும். ஆசிய, ஆப்பிரிக்க அளவில் சிறந்த நடிகர் விருது பெற்ற ஒருவருக்கு இதற்கு மேலும் நாம் விருது கொடுக்காமல் தாமதித்தால் அதனால் இந்திய விருதின் மரியாதை குறையும் என்பதையும் சம்பந்தப்பட்டவர்கள் யோசிக்கவேயில்லை.


ஆனால், சிவாஜியைப் பொருத்தவரையில் அவர் நடிப்புத் துறையில் நிறைகுடமாக இருந்ததால் விருதுகளைப் பற்றி எப்போதுமே கவலைப்பட்டதில்லை. அத்துடன் தனக்கு விருது தரப்படவில்லை என்பதை மனதில் குறையாக வைத்து பேசுவதுமில்லை. யாராவது வலிய அவரிடம் இது சம்பந்தமாக பேசி ‘‘உங்களுக்கு ஏன் இந்திய அரசின் விருது தராமலே இருந்துவிட்டார்கள்?’’ என கேட்கும்பொழுது அதற்கு சிவாஜி மிகப்பெருந்தன்மையாக பதில் கூறுயிருக்கிறார்.

‘‘விருது தருபவர்கள் அந்த விருதுக்கென்று எதிர்ப்பார்க்கும் தகுதிகள் நம்மிடம் இல்லாது இருக்கலாம்’’ என்றே சிவாஜி பதில் அளித்திருக்கிறார்.

ஆசிய, ஆப்பிரிக்க சிறந்த நடிகர் விருது சிவாஜிக்கு கிடைத்தபின் அமெரிக்க அரசு சிவாஜியை தங்கள் நாட்டிற்கு அழைத்து கவுரவிக்க விரும்பியது. எனவே ‘சிவாஜி தங்கள் நாட்டிற்கு வருகை தர வேண்டும்’ என அமெரிக்க அரசு அழைப்பு விடுத்தது. இதுபோன்ற ஒரு அழைப்பு அதுவரை இந்திய நடிகர்கள் யாருக்கும் கிடைத்ததில்லை.

சிவாஜியும் அந்த அழைப்பை கவுரவித்து அமெரிக்கா புறப்பட்டார். அமெரிக்காவில் அவருக்கு என்னென்ன நிகழ்ச்சிகள் இருக்கும். அங்கே முக்கியமானவர்கள் யார் யாரைச் சந்திக்க வேண்டியதிருக்கும் என்பதையெல்லாம் முன்கூட்டி அவர் தெரிந்து கொண்டதால் அதற்கேற்ப தயாராக அமெரிக்கா புறப்பட்டார்.


அமெரிக்காவில் சந்திக்கும் முக்கிய மனிதர்களுக்கு நமது நாட்டு சார்பாக கொடுக்க வேண்டிய பரிசுப் பொருட்கள் எல்லாம் எடுத்துச் சென்றதுடன் அங்கே குறிப்பிட்ட நிகழ்ச்சிகளில் திரையிட்டுக் காட்டுவதற்காக தான் நடித்த பல படங்களில் இருந்து முக்கியக் காட்சிகளின் தொகுப்பையும் கையில் கொண்டு சென்றார்.

ஆனால் இதற்குக் கூட யாரும் குறுக்கீடாக இருந்தார்களோ என்னவோ? சிவாஜி அமெரிக்கா போய் இறங்கியதும் அங்கே திரையிட கையில் தன்னுடன் எடுத்துவந்த அந்தப் படப்பெட்டி மட்டும் காணாமல் போய்விட்டது. அந்த சமயத்தில் வீடியோ கேசட்டில் பதிவு செய்து எடுத்துச் செல்லும் வசதி வரவில்லை. அல்லது மூன்று நான்கு கேசட்டுகளை தன் கைப்பெட்டியிலேயே எடுத்துச் சென்றிருப்பார்.

சிவாஜி திட்டமிட்டபடி அமெரிக்காவில் முக்கிய பிரமுகர்களுக்கு தான் நடித்தப் படத்திலுள்ள அந்தக் குறிப்பிட்ட காட்சிகளை திரையிட்டுக் காட்டியிருந்திருப்பாரேயானால் அவருக்கு மேலும் வரவேற்பு கிடைத்திருந்திருக்கும். அமெரிக்கா போன்ற மேலை நாட்டினர் ஒருவருடைய திறமையை கண்டறியும்பொழுது, அதை இருட்டடிப்பு செய்ய வேண்டும் என எண்ணமாட்டார்கள். திறமையை மனதார பாராட்டுவதை தங்களுக்கு பெருமை என எண்ணுவார்கள்.


ஆனாலும் சிவாஜியின் நடிப்புத் திறமையை அங்கே உள்ளவர்கள் பார்க்கிற வாய்ப்பு கிடைக்காவிட்டாலும் அவர்கள் கேள்விப்பட்ட செய்திகளை வைத்து சிவாஜியின் மிகப்பெரிய ஆற்றலை நன்றாகவே புரிந்திருந்தார்கள். அதனால் அவர் கலந்துகொண்ட நிகழ்ச்சிகளில் எல்லாம் அவருக்கு சிறப்பான மரியாதை தந்தார்கள். சிவாஜி அமெரிக்கா சென்ற காலகட்டத்தில் அங்கே புகழ்பெற்ற நடிகர்களாக விளங்கிய மார்லன் பிராண்டோ, யூல் பிரின்னர், சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டன்... போன்ற பெரிய பெரிய நடிகர்கள் எல்லாம் சிவாஜியை வரவேற்கிற நிகழ்ச்சியில் கலந்து கொண்டு அவரை கவுரவித்தார்கள்.

அப்போது ஹாலிவுட்டின் மிகப்பெரிய நடிகர்களாக இருந்த ஐந்து நடிகர்கள் சிவாஜியோடு படம் எடுக்க விரும்பி சிவாஜியை நடுவே அமரச்செய்து மற்றவர்கள் அவர் அருகே நின்று கொண்டும் சிவாஜி அமர்ந்திருந்த நாற்காலியில் கைப்பிடிகளில் அமர்ந்து கொண்டும் படம் எடுத்துக் கொண்டார்கள். சிவாஜி சில பெரிய நடிகர்களின் தனிப்பட்ட அழைப்பின் பெயரில் அவர்கள் இல்லங்களுக்கும் சென்றார். அவர்களில் குறிப்பிடத்தக்கவர் சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டன். இவர் உலக அளவில் பிரம்மாண்டமாக தயாரிக்கப்பட்ட ‘டென் கமான்மெண்ட்ஸ்’ படத்திலும் ‘பென்ஹர்’ படத்திலும் நடித்து ஆஸ்கர் விருது பெற்றவர்.

இவருடைய இல்லத்திற்கு சிவாஜி சென்றபொழுது சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டன் தம்பதிகள் அவரை வரவேற்றார்கள். சிவாஜி அப்போது சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டனின் துணைவியாருக்கு தமிழ்நாட்டுப் பட்டுப் புடவையை பரிசாகத் தந்தார். திருமதி சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டனுக்கு அந்தப் பரிசைப் பெற்றுக் கொண்டதில் பெரிய மகிழ்ச்சி! எனவே தங்கள் இல்லத்திற்கு வந்த விருந்திருனரான சிவாஜியை கவுரவிக்க அந்தப் பட்டுப் புடவையை அப்போதே உடுத்திக்கொள்ள விரும்பினார்.


ஆனால் அமெரிக்கப் பெண்மணியான அவருக்கு புடவைக் கட்டிய பழக்கமேயில்லை. எனவே இதை எப்படி உடுத்திக் கொள்வது என அவர் கேட்டபொழுது சிவாஜி புடவையின் முனையை இப்படி மடித்து இடுப்பில் சொருகி புடவையை சுற்றிக்கொள்ள வேண்டும் என்பதை நடித்துக் காட்டினார். ஆனால் திருமதி சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டனுக்கு அதைப் புரிந்துகொள்ள முடியவில்லை. எனவே சிவாஜியிடம், ‘‘இதை நான் உடுத்திக் கொள்ள எனக்கு உதவி செய்யுங்கள்’’ எனக் கேட்டுக் கொண்டார்.

சிவாஜிக்கு இதைக் கேட்டு சற்று திகைப்பு! ஒரு பெண்மணி புடவையை உடுத்திக் கொள்ள நாம் எப்படி உதவ முடியும்? என்று தாமதித்தார். ஆனால் சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்ட்அனோ ‘‘என் மனைவிக்கு நீங்கள் உதவ வேண்டும்’’ என வற்புறுத்தி கேட்கலானார். அதன்பிறகு சிவாஜி திருமதி சார்லஸ் ஹாஸ்டன் புடவை அணிந்து கொள்ள உதவினார்.. இந்த நிகழ்ச்சிகள் எல்லாம் சிவாஜி என்ற மாபெரும் கலைஞரிடம் அவர்களுக்கிருந்த மரியாதையை வெளிப்படுத்துவதாக அமைந்தது.

அமெரிக்காவில் கலையுலகம் சம்பந்தப்பட்டவர்கள் மட்டுமல்லாமல் மற்றும் உள்ள முக்கிய மனிதர்களும் சிவாஜியை தங்கள் விருந்தினராக அழைத்துப் பெருமைப்பட்டார்கள். அவர்களில் ஒரு சீமாட்டி சிவாஜிக்கு மிக உயர்ந்த பொருளைத் தரப்போவதாக கூறிக்கொண்டு ஒரு விலையுயர்ந்த சுருட்டை புகைப்பதற்கு தந்தார்.

சிவாஜி அந்த சுருட்டை கையிலே வாங்கிப் பார்த்துவிட்டு அந்தப் பெண்மணியிடம் கூறினார், ‘‘அம்மா இது உங்களுக்கு அபூர்வப் பொருளாக இருக்கலாம். ஆனால் இந்தச் சுருட்டு நான் இருக்கிற நாட்டிலே உற்பத்தியாகிற சுருட்டு, அதுவும் என் சொந்த ஊரான திருச்சி அருகிலுள்ள உறையூரில் தயாராகிற சுருட்டு’’ என விளக்கினார். அதைக்கேட்டு அந்தப் பெண்மணி பெரிதாக நகைத்தார்.

சிவாஜிக்கு அங்கே இன்னொரு மரியாதையும் கிடைத்தது. அமெரிக்காவிலுள்ள ஒரு நகரத்தின் மேயர் சிவாஜியை வரவேற்று ஒருநாள் மேயராக சிவாஜியை கவுரவப் பதவி ஏற்க வைத்தார். அதற்கு அடையாளமாக தங்கச் சாவி ஒன்றை அன்று முழுவதும் சிவாஜி கையிலே வைத்திருக்க வேண்டும் என அவரிடம் ஒப்படைத்தார்.

அமெரிக்காவில் சிவாஜிக்கு மகத்தான வரவேற்பு கிடைத்தது என்ற செய்தி தமிழகத்திற்கு எட்டிய நிலையில் தமிழக கலைஞர்கள் எல்லாம் சிவாஜியை சிறப்பாக வரவேற்க வேண்டும் என புரட்சித் தலைவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். தலைமையிலே முடிவு செய்தார்கள். அவ்விதம் சிவாஜிக்கு அவர் சென்னையில் வந்து இறங்கியபொழுது கலைஞர்கள் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். தலைமையில் சிறந்த வரவேற்பை அளித்து கவுரவித்தார்கள்.

சிவாஜி அமெரிக்காவில் இருந்த சமயம் அவ்வை டி.கே.சண்முகம் அவர்கள் சிவாஜிக்கு வாழ்த்துக் கூறி ஒரு கடிதத்துக்கு சிவாஜி உடனே பதில் எழுதி தனது நன்றியை அவ்வை டி.கே.சண்முகத்திற்கு தெரிவித்தார்.

அவ்வை டி.கே.சண்முகம் இந்தப் பதில் கடிதத்தை எதிர்ப்பார்க்காததால் மிக மகிழ்ச்சியோடு அந்தக் கடிதத்தை பத்திரிகையில் வெளியிட்டார்.

அமெரிக்காவை அடுத்து சிவாஜிக்கு மிகப்பெரிய மரியாதையை தந்த நாடு பிரான்ஸ் என்று கூறலாம். பிரான்ஸ் நாடு சிவாஜிக்கு வழங்கிய ‘செவாலியே விருது’ மதிப்பில் மிக உயர்ந்தது. அதாவது ஆஸ்கர் விருதுக்கு இணையான மதிப்பு கொண்ட விருது. இந்ஹ விருதை இதுவரை உலகில் நான்கு நடிகர்களுக்கே பிரான்ஸ் வழங்கியுள்ளது.

கிளிண்ட் ஈஸ்ட் வுட், டஸ்ட் டின் ஹாப்மேன் ஆகிய ஹாலிவுட் நடிகர்களுடன் இன்னொருவருக்கும் பிரான்ஸ் அந்த விருதை வழங்கியிருந்தது. அதற்குமேல் இப்போது சிவாஜிக்கு அந்த விருதை வழங்கி கவுரவப்படுத்தியுள்ளது.

சிவாஜி நடித்த ‘நவராத்திரி’ படத்தைப் பார்த்துவிட்டு சிவாஜிக்கு ‘செவாலிய விருது’ அளிக்க பிரான்ஸ் நாடு முன் வந்தது. அந்தப் படத்தைப் பார்த்து உடனே பிரான்ஸ் தேர்வு கமிட்டி ‘செவாலிய விருது’ கொடுக்க முடிவு செய்துவிட வில்லை.

ஒன்பது வேடங்களில் சிவாஜி வித்தியாசமான ஒன்பது மனிதர்கள்போல் நடித்திருக்கும் அந்த அற்புதமான நடிப்பில் முதலில் அவர்களுக்கு நிறைய சந்தேகம் இருந்தது. இது ஒரே நடிகராக இருக்க முடியுமா? என்ற சந்தேகத்தின் பெயரில் பலவித பரிசோதனைகள் செய்து கடைசியில்தான் அவர் ஒரே நடிகர்தான் என்பதை கண்டுபிடித்தார்கள்.

புகழ்பெற்ற பல இயக்குனர்கள் அமர்ந்து அந்தப் படத்தைப் போட்டுப்பார்த்து செவாலியே விருது வழங்குவது பற்றி முடிவு செய்தார்கள். இந்த விருதை சிவாஜிக்கு அளிப்பதற்கு முன் உலக அளவில் புகழ்பெற்ற நடிகர்கள் பட்டியலை வைத்துக் கொண்டு அவர்கள் நடித்த படங்களையெல்லாம் திரும்பத் திரும்ப போட்டுப் பார்த்தார்கள். அதன் இறுதியிலேதான் சிவாஜி தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்டார்.

சிவாஜியைப் பற்றி இந்தியாவிலே உள்ள ஒரு கலை மேதையிடம் கருத்தறிய அவர்கள் பிரபல வங்க இயக்குனர் சத்யஜித்ரேயை அணிகினார்கள். அவரோ, ‘சிவாஜி செவாலியே விருதுக்கு மிக தகுதியான கலைஞர்’ எனக் கருத்து தெரிவித்தார்.

சிவாஜியின் நடிப்பைப் பார்த்த ஒரு பிரான்ஸ் இயக்குனர் ‘‘இவருக்கு ஏன் இதுவரை ஆஸ்கர் விருது கொடுக்கப்பட வில்லை?ŌŌ என்ற சந்தேகத்தை கேட்டார்.

அவருக்கு இன்னொரு இயக்குனர் பதில் கூறும்பொழுது, ‘‘ஆஸ்கர் விருது இதுவரை வழங்கப்படாததற்கு சேர்த்துதானே இந்த செவாலியே விருதை வாங்குகிறோம்’’ எனக் கூறினார்.

இந்த ‘நவராத்திரி’ படத்தை அது வெளியான சமயத்தில் தியேட்டரில் பார்த்த தனது அனுபவத்தை நடிகரும், இயக்குனருமான விசு தொலைக்காட்சிப் பேட்டியில் கூறினார்.

விசு வெளிநாட்டினர் சிலருடன் நவராத்திரி படம் பார்க்கச் சென்றிருந்தாராம். இடைவேளை வரை படத்தை அந்த வெளிநாட்டினர் மிக அமைதியாக ரசித்துக் கொண்டிருந்தார்களாம். இடைவேளையின்போது விசு அவர்களைப் பார்த்து, ‘‘இப்போது நான் உங்களுக்கு ஒரு செய்தியை கூறப்போகிறேன். இது மிகவும் ஆச்சரியமாகவும் இருக்கலாம்’’ என்று கூறிவிட்டு அந்தச் செய்தியை கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

‘‘அதாவது இப்போது நாம் பார்த்தப் படத்தில் கிணற்றில் விழப்போகிற கதாநாயகியை காப்பாற்றுகிற பணக்காரரும், அடுத்து வருகிற குடிகார வாலிபனும், மூன்றாவதாக வருகிற டாக்டரும், நான்காவதாக வருகிற பயங்கரவாதியும் நான்கு வெவ்வேறு நடிகர்கள் அல்ல; ஒரே நடிகர்தான் அந்த நான்கு வேடங்களிலும் வருகிறார்’’ என விசு குறிப்பிட்டிருக்கிறார்.

இதைக் கேட்டு அந்த வெளிநாட்டினர் பெரிதும் வியந்து போனார்களாம், ‘‘ஒரே மனிதரா இவ்வளவு வித்தியாசமாக தோன்றி நடிக்கிறார்? இதை முதலிலேயே சொல்லியிருந்தால் ஆரம்பத்திலேயே கூர்ந்து கவனித்திருப்போமே’’ என குறைபட்டுக் கொண்டார்களாம்.

பின்னர் இடைவேளைக்குப் பின்னர் மேலும் ஐந்து வேடங்களில் வரும் சிவாஜியைக் கண்டு பெரிதும் வியந்து பாராட்டினார்கள் என விசு அந்தப் பேட்டியிலே குறிப்பிட்டார்.
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tfmlover
15th August 2006, 10:58 AM
groucho070 ! pls tell me your avtar ! is it ..naan anupuvathu kaditham alla?

groucho070
15th August 2006, 11:25 AM
Excellent piece Joe. More info on US trip this time. I recall that photograph, but I thought it was taken in India...and I was cracking my head. I mean, Heston, Lemmon, Pidgeon, all in one movie? Which movie. Well, its clarified now. NT was there! With them! Those are legendary actors, and only a legend can be in that pix. (I am a big fan of Jack Lemmon, and Heston is one of those examples where overacting works very well even in Hollywood).

TFMlover...I'd be damned if I know which movie my avatar is.

But Murali-sar said that it could be from Selvam. I like the brooding quality of that pix. It does say a thousand words. Did you check Joe's avatar...from Deiva Magan...just looking at it you can visualise that famous scene.

tfmlover
15th August 2006, 11:27 AM
its' pesum deivam sivaji on a boat..writing..naan anupuvathu kadiatham alla.. :D

groucho070
15th August 2006, 11:31 AM
It does look like early to mid sixties NT. I haven't seen that movie for very long time. I must have been a kid when I saw it. Thanks for the info.

tfmlover
15th August 2006, 11:40 AM
i collect and see all his movies
saw ethiroli recently sivaji kb movie emotionally.. moving

joe
15th August 2006, 12:46 PM
groucho,
The photos available in the source in vikatan .since it is pay site,I am not giving the link.

Anyway,
This link contains loads and loads of info on NT

http://www.tamilnation.org/hundredtamils/sivaji.htm

nilavupriyan
15th August 2006, 01:12 PM
NOV ....when i asked u to add navaraathiri u asked why navaraathiri!

now even chevazhiye was given by watching navarathiri!

joe
15th August 2006, 01:27 PM
NOV ....when i asked u to add navaraathiri u asked why navaraathiri!

now even chevazhiye was given by watching navarathiri!

I too wonder why 'Navarathiri' is not considered one of the bests..That was a terrific show by NT..Well deserved 100th movie of NT

groucho070
15th August 2006, 04:25 PM
18 votes and Gouvaram is still leading.

Now that it was mentioned...yeah, Navarathiri is curiously missing. Adding that might upset the current lead by Gouvaram. Anyone for Navarithiri? Is this a conspiracy, Nov? To keep Gouvaram in the lead? Okay, you know I'm kidding.

NOV
15th August 2006, 07:51 PM
sorry guys. 10 is the max and since voting has already commenced, cannot change any more. :lol:

saradhaa_sn
16th August 2006, 12:08 PM
Dear Abkhlabhi/Saradhaa,

Neethi though ran for 99 days in D.Paradise, completed 100 days in Salem thus by becoming the 6th movie out of 7 to have completed 100 days and above, in the calendar year 1972, thereby making the title Hero-72 apt for NT. Later as you know the movie was rechristened as Vaira Nenjam directed by Sridhar.

Dear Murali Srinivas, you are correct...

1972 is the 'Golden Year' of NT. Eight contionous success out of Nine released, starting from Babu to Bharatha Vilas.
1) Babu
2) Raja
3) Gnana Oli
4) Pattikkada Pattanama
5) Dhvapputhalvan
6) Vasandha Maaligai
7) Needhi
8) Bharatha Vilas

We should remember, four movies are Balck & White.

Now, comparing to several films, those which has got success, I strongly hope "Dharmam Engey" also worthful to cross 100 days, the movie which was the one failed to score in that year.

Definitely it is a nice movie with good songs:
'Sudhandhira Boomiyil'
'Veeramennum pAavaithannai'
'Palliyaraikkul nandha'

Regards Sarooo...

Murali Srinivas
16th August 2006, 12:21 PM
Dear tfmlover,

You could be right regarding groucho's avatar. NT had this hairstyle in a couple of movies in that period (i.e) 1966-67

1966

1. Motor sundaram Pillai - most of the time old get up. Younger days are shown with a different wig.

2. Mahakavi Kalidas - Entirely different appearence being a historical movie. To borrow Groucho's words, another under rated gem from NT.

3. Saraswathy Sabatham - No need to explain.

4. Selvam - The get up of this movie will match Groucho's.

1967

1. Kanthan Karunai - Veerabagu - Different get up

2. Nenjirukkum Varai - Original Hair.

3. Pesum Deivam - Get up will suit Groucho's avatar.

4. Thangai - Same type of get up as above

5. Paalaadai- Same Get up as above

6. Ooty Varai Uravu

7. Iru Malargal

Both the last mentioned films will feature a different hair style though NT in the initial part of IM would be sporting the hair style discussed here.

Regards

PS: From 1952 to till 1987, the year 1966 was the one calendar year which had few number of releases of NT. In that year NT had an attack of Typhoid which made him bed ridden for months together. But as a blessing in disguise we could get a silm cute NT because of that.

bingleguy
16th August 2006, 12:28 PM
Yesterday i watched Veerapandiya kattabomman ! :-) :clap:

I was really thrilled to watch it .... cha, first lendhu paathirukkanum, when i came home, it was very late already, paathikku mela mudinjiduthu :(

enna garjanai ... enna nadippu..... wow simply fantastic !

bingleguy
16th August 2006, 12:36 PM
ippadi pathu padam koduthu avaroda best padam kandupudikka mudiyumaa ???? :-) NO WAY !

ALL the above said movies are BEST in its own way !

VK - awesome dialogue delivery, voice modulation !
KT - beautiful action and excellent dialogue delivery!
PM - wonderful acting as a dedicated brother .... bro-sis relationship nna PaasaMalar relationship dhaan nnu sollum alavirkku kondu pona padam
Deiva Magan (B&W) - WOnderful portrayal of three very very very different characters ....
Vietnam Veedu - Prestige :-) word got a new meaning from this movie .... his excellent dialogue delivery ....
Gauravam - King of all dialogue deliveries ... Brilliant portrayal of two characters
Thanga Pathakkam - Characterization & action as a police officer
Mudhal Mariyadhai - simple acting n good character portrayal
Karnan - Wonderful dialogue delivery and beautiful characterization ....
Thillaana Mohanambal - sollave vendam ... characterization of a chakravarthi .... action laye ellaathayum solliya vishayam !

Sollikitte pogalaam !

Murali Srinivas
16th August 2006, 12:44 PM
Dear Saradhaa,

In the first part of this thread, I had done a seperate post on year 1972 with release dates and the no of days the movie ran etc. In fact I had gone a step further that starting from Kulama Gunama in March 1971, there were continious hits except for a few. Again I would like to reproduce.

1.Kulama Gunama - 26.03.1971 -100 days

2.Sumathi En Sundari - 14.04.1971- 100 days

3.Praptham -14.04.1971 -50 Days

4. Savalae Samali -03.07.1971 - 107 Days

5. Thenum Paalum- 22 .07.1971

6. Moondru Deivangal- 14.08.1971- 65 Days(Removed because of Deepavali)

7. Babu -18.10.1971- 100 Days

8. Raja -26.01.1972 - 101 Days

9.Gnana Oli -11.03.1972 - 104 Days

10. Pattikkada Pattannama -06.05.1972 -182 Days

11. Dharmam Engay - 15.07.1972 - 49 Days

12. Thava Pudhalvan- 26.08.1972 -104 Days

13. Vasantha Maaligai -29.09.1972 - 200 Days

14. Needhi- 07.12.1972- 100 Days

15. Bharatha Vilas- 24.03.1973 - 100 Days

16. Raja Raja Chozhan- 31.03.1973 -97 Days (Madurai-Chintamani, removed for Major's Sontham)

17. Ponnunjal -15.06.1973

18. Engal Thanga Raja -14.07.1973 - 103 Days

19.Gowravam - 25.010.1973 -100 Days

20. Manitharul Manickam- 07.12.1973 (Guest Role)

21. Rajapart Rangadurai- 22.12.1973- 84 Days (Not sure whether this ran for 100 days in other places)

22. Sivakamiyin Selvan - 26.01.1974 - 69 Days

23. Thai- 07.03.1974

24. Vani Rani - 12.04.1974 - 100 days

25. Thanga Pathakkam - 01.06.1974 - 182 Days

26. En Magan -21.08.1974 - 101 Days

27. Anbai Thedi - 13.11.1974

28. Manithanum Deivamagalam- 11.01.1975

29. Avandhan Manidhan- 11.04.1975 - 100 Days

So for a period of 4 years in succession, NT was ruling the roost which others could only dream of.

Regards

Jilaba
16th August 2006, 02:18 PM
NOV ....when i asked u to add navaraathiri u asked why navaraathiri!

now even chevazhiye was given by watching navarathiri!

I too wonder why 'Navarathiri' is not considered one of the bests..That was a terrific show by NT..Well deserved 100th movie of NT
well said.

Instead of adding 'muthal mariyadhai', it is better to include 'Navarathiri' which a milestone of Shivaji.

I am unhappy in adding muthal mariyadhai here, and more unhappy it has got one vote. I hope it will remain in zero.

I am happy to see KOT and Karnan are maintaining second places.

groucho070
16th August 2006, 03:34 PM
Thanks Murali sar and mdm Saradha. This confirms that my favourite NT era is indeed golden one as far as hits are concerned.

Questions off that list:

1. Why did Praptam flopped? I understand it was produced by Savithri and is a remake. I liked the film a lot, and the songs are beautiful.

2. Mundru Deivangal. You said removed because of Deepavali? Why? Was there another movie in the waiting? This movie would have had longer run, it was very, very entertaining.

3. Babu- 100 Days? Not a question. Just rejoice that it did well. One of my mom's favourite. Always thought that it flopped. Better tell my mom.

4. Pattikkada Pattannama - 182 Days???????? No questions again. Just want to shout, yeeeeeeehaaaaaa! One of my favourite. My own NT top ten will definitely have this.

5. Dharmam Engay. Again, why did this one flopped?

6. Raja Raja Chozhan- 31.03.1973 -97 Days (Madurai-Chintamani, removed for Major's Sontham)

What? Why does this thing happen? Getting removed? But contrary to popular belief it did well indeed. Phew!

7. Manitharul Manickam
Any particular reason NT did this film? I bet it was a favour for someone, because the credit began with his name first. Nevertheless, NT leave behind leading man persona (AVM Rajan gets the shoe) and does comedian role. He pulls it off beautifully. The only joy in the otherwise dreary movie.


8. Sivakamiyin Selvan - 69 Days (?) I was under the impression that this was a huge hit!

9. Vani Rani - This is almost guest role, right? Again, doing favour for Vanisree.

Jilaba
16th August 2006, 04:08 PM
Dear tfmlover,

You could be right regarding groucho's avatar. NT had this hairstyle in a couple of movies in that period (i.e) 1966-67

I am very sure, this avatar is from the movie "Pesum Dheivam".
That hair style, T Shirt, that pose... when he is sitting in the boat and singing

"naan anuppuvathu kaditham alla - uLLam
adhil uLLathellaam ezuthum alla - ennam
un uLLam adhai koLlai koLLa

eththanaiyO ninaiththirukkum nenjam
yEttaLavil sonnathellaam konjam
en manamO unnidaththil thanjam
un manamO naan thuyilum manjam"

by the Great Vaaleeee....

P_R
17th August 2006, 02:39 AM
I am unhappy in adding muthal mariyadhai here, and more unhappy it has got one vote. I hope it will remain in zero. :shock:
I am surprised you find Mudhal Mariyadhai below par. IMO it is an excellent performance. Sivaji shows great restraint in acting (which was hitherto thought to be not his forte) . The character does not afford him the outspokenness of his other more famous roles. He relies largely on body language

One example that come straight to my mind is the scene before 'Poongaatru Thirumbuma'. He has ordered that the farmworkers get an extra measure of grain as a bonus. Vadivukkarasi comes in later and puts a stop to this with a vulgar tasteless allusion. Sivaji is off the scene and we hear it happening off-screen. Sivaji immediately gets angry and rises, then controls himself thinking of the promoise made to his uncle and the walks away resigned shaking his head about his helplessness, with a hint of a tear in his eye. Marvellous acting and not a single word spoken (not even in voice-over).

Even after all the pages of discussion of the nuances I still happen to be a 'thirutha mudiyaadha jenmam' in the sense that, I find Gouravam and Vietnam Veedu to be over the top performances from Sivaji. I always have to take into consideration the time and school of drama the movies belonged to, to appreciate them. However I relish his performances in 'Andha Naal', 'ThEvar Magan' and 'Mudhal Mariyaadhai' without any reservation.

tfmlover
17th August 2006, 04:25 AM
Dear tfmlover,

You could be right regarding groucho's avatar. NT had this hairstyle in a couple of movies in that period (i.e) 1966-67

I am very sure, this avatar is from the movie "Pesum Dheivam".
That hair style, T Shirt, that pose... when he is sitting in the boat and singing

"naan anuppuvathu kaditham alla - uLLam
adhil uLLathellaam ezuthum alla - ennam
un uLLam adhai koLlai koLLa

eththanaiyO ninaiththirukkum nenjam
yEttaLavil sonnathellaam konjam
en manamO unnidaththil thanjam
un manamO naan thuyilum manjam"

by the Great Vaaleeee....

ezhithi anupuvathum kaditham alla ullam :thumbsup:

yaa beautiful song..all the songs are good from pesum deivam

Jilaba
did vaali write aazhiyile piravaatha..? too coz athileyum neraya alla alla alla varum
remember the way sivaji 'ingum angum alai paayum neerodai alla...( veralai aatu beautifuly..)

pathu maadham sumakavillai..rurally..dancing

tfmlover
17th August 2006, 04:42 AM
Questions off that list:

1. Why did Praptam flopped? I understand it was produced by Savithri and is a remake. I liked the film a lot, and the songs are beautiful.
groucho070
i heard saavithiri too full(y)-blown for that role. shucking
the ingenue part . not sure groucho070 ( but i like saavithiri )

i voted for thilaana moganambal.. toughest role ever
if anyone saw shanthi ..brilliant !
..one particular scence when sivaji describing about the bride (devika ) ' kannu ila kannu athu neezhamaa..ipdi..irukum..'
and his shyest gait .. the way he walked after
( nelinchu nelichu vekathoda )
paarthutu sollunga sivaji nadipu epdeennu
_________________

NOV
17th August 2006, 07:30 AM
1. Why did Praptam flop? I understand it was produced by Savithri and is a remake. I liked the film a lot, and the songs are beautiful. my sentiments too. Dark and emotional movie. I guess this was priduced by Savitri after her break-up with Gemini. The failure at BO ruined Savithri financially.
Beautiful songs - sondham eppOdhum thodarkadhai thaan, nEththu paraiththa rOjaa and my eternal fav: thalaattu paadi thaayaga vEndum

thaalaadhu thaaladhu azhudhaalum theeraadhu...
vidhi irundhaal kannan thunai irukkum
kannadhasan :hatsoff:


Pattikkada Pattannama - 182 Days???????? No questions again. Just want to shout, yeeeeeeehaaaaaa! One of my favourite. My own NT top ten will definitely have this. Not mine. 8-)
The movie was so unbelievably MCP. :cry:
I like the ending tho - "mookaya, vandhu thaaliya kattu" :rotfl2:


Raja Raja Chozhan- What? Why does this thing happen? Getting removed? But contrary to popular belief it did well indeed. Phew! horrible direction. Not surprised it faild at BO.
Only noteworthy things were that it was the first cinemascope movie in Tamil and of course the songs!


8. Sivakamiyin Selvan - 69 Days (?) I was under the impression that this was a huge hit!:shock: Me too.


Vani Rani - This is almost guest role, right? Again, doing favour for Vanisree.Yeah, almost a 100% Heroine dominated movie, complete with the title.
Remake of Hindi Seetha Aur Geetha.


I am unhappy in adding muthal mariyadhai here, and more unhappy it has got one vote. I hope it will remain in zero. One of Sivaji's best performance in his twilight years. A reminder of the spark that is Sivaji. Wonderful potrayal of a lonely old man and worthy of being in the annals of history. Just one scene - when Radha eats the fish - see Sivaji's facial expression!

groucho070
17th August 2006, 09:02 AM
Pattikkada Pattannama - 182 Days???????? No questions again. Just want to shout, yeeeeeeehaaaaaa! One of my favourite. My own NT top ten will definitely have this. Not mine. 8-)
The movie was so unbelievably MCP. :cry:
I like the ending tho - "mookaya, vandhu thaaliya kattu" :rotfl2:


Raja Raja Chozhan- What? Why does this thing happen? Getting removed? But contrary to popular belief it did well indeed. Phew! horrible direction. Not surprised it faild at BO.
Only noteworthy things were that it was the first cinemascope movie in Tamil and of course the songs!


I think the trouble with RRC was the filmaker did not have much experience shooting in cinemascope, therefore the film lacking in grandeur that it is supposed to have. Nevertheless, I like the film a lot. Believe it or not, there is a lot of restrain in NTs acting. Check out the scene where Lakshmi and Muthuraman were getting married and NT appears suddenly. He just stands there and stares at the two. Lakshmi literally is shaken! He didn't have to shout or scream...but the anger in his eyes! Maaan!

As for Pattikata Pattanama, you are right, Nov. PP is too politically incorrect for our time. But then, there are some movies...still out there...which are MCPish (as much as I am a big Rajini fan, I think some of his films can be sexist). I like PP for its sheer energy. The Ennadi Rakkama song is very infective. The dance is a riot! You want to go there and dance with them.

I like Nalvaazhtu Naan Solluven song a lot. There is a line:
Yaaridam tavarillai, yaaridam kuraivillai
Vaazhvathu orumurai, vaazhttattum talaimurai. Kudos to Kannadhasan.

Aside: I heard that Kamal did the choreography of this song, and the shot of dancing legs during the opening of this song was his. True?

Of course, others have discussed many other scenes in the movie.

tfmlover
17th August 2006, 10:19 AM
We should remember, four movies are Balck & White.

Now, comparing to several films, those which has got success, I strongly hope "Dharmam Engey" also worthful to cross 100 days, the movie which was the one failed to score in that year.

Definitely it is a nice movie with good songs:
'Sudhandhira Boomiyil'
'Veeramennum pAavaithannai'
'Palliyaraikkul nandha'

Regards Sarooo
can you pls tell me which movie? is it from same one
thangangaLE naalaith thalaivargale
num thaayum mozhiyum kangal tms song
thanks regards

joe
17th August 2006, 10:24 AM
We should remember, four movies are Balck & White.

Now, comparing to several films, those which has got success, I strongly hope "Dharmam Engey" also worthful to cross 100 days, the movie which was the one failed to score in that year.

Definitely it is a nice movie with good songs:
'Sudhandhira Boomiyil'
'Veeramennum pAavaithannai'
'Palliyaraikkul nandha'

Regards Sarooo
can you pls tell me which movie? is it from same one
thangangaLE naalaith thalaivargale
num thaayum mozhiyum kangal tms song
thanks regards

This song is from Ennai pol Oruvan

tacinema
17th August 2006, 10:39 AM
Murali Srinivas,

As usual, these are very informative about NT films. I think one important piece of information is missing. NT's Pattikada Pattanama has one more crown jewel; it is the HIGHEST BO collection movie under B/W category.

Correct me if this info. is not correct.

Murali Srinivas
17th August 2006, 11:33 AM
Dear tac,

You are 100% correct.

Dear Groucho,

When I finished my list, I thought of adding a line saying that "Groucho this list will again re-inforce your belief that 60's and early 70s' are the golden period of NT". But I stopped, thinking that any how this is going to come from you. You have not dissappointed me.

Regarding your querries, I wil come back to you.

Regards

groucho070
17th August 2006, 12:29 PM
Sometimes I wonder why not give the title Superstar to NT. Being that he has such a track record, both artistically and financially. But its okay, Rajini inherited some of NTs talent and similar financial track record, so he can have it.

On the other hand, Nadigar Tilagam title sort of covers various angle. While Makkal Tilagam attributes MGR's stature as a person, leader of incomparable stature, Nadigar Tilagam command respect on all elements of acting department.

Can anyone tell when NT got the Nadigar Tilagam title? I recall it went back as far as fifties.


Murali sar, I think my love for sixties and early seventies comes also from the fact that in those films you get to see more NT. In other films, while he is still the lead actor, there are other characters, & plot developments filling up the screen.

The late 60s and early 70s sees NT playing roles with stories confined to the conflicts of the lead charactor. Better still when films like DM and Gouvaram has NTs(plural) all over them. This delights us artistically, as well as by just being plain fans.

Furthermore (this is a subject to debate) MSV and Kannadhasan were at the height of their creativity at that time. Kannadhasan especially could relate in and out to NTs character, and therefore churn out those beautiful and moving tunes... because they were real emotions pouring out of a poet whose personal and financial life was, well, a mess.

Of course, I left out Valee. The thing is, Valee has always been at the peak of his creativity. He wrote all the songs in the new ARR composed Jillunu Oru Kathal Kathai, and when I listened my jaw almost dropped. Amazing! He is still relevant to this time, and he is ahead of even the younger lyricist. That lovable old man!



By the way NOV,

Gouvaram is still leading, but with narrow margin. I think its time to panic.

joe
17th August 2006, 01:02 PM
Can anyone tell when NT got the Nadigar Tilagam title? .

Hope you know a famous cine magazine 'Pesum Padam' .In the 'Kelvi -pathil' section ,one fan asked a question "Can we call sivaji as Nadigar Thilagam?" and the answer was "Yes..It is perfect title" .After that pesum padam refer Sivaji as Nadigar Thilagam and it became popular and fixed for sivaji

NOV
17th August 2006, 01:25 PM
Thats ok Rakesh. I'm grown up enough to accept differing opinions. :redjump:

As for Nadigar Thilagam title, can you compare that with Savithri who was christened Nadigaiyar Thilagam. She is a good actress no doubt but is she of the same high standard as NT?

joe
17th August 2006, 01:35 PM
Thats ok Rakesh. I'm grown up enough to accept differing opinions. :redjump:

As for Nadigar Thilagam title, can you compare that with Savithri who was christened Nadigaiyar Thilagam. She is a good actress no doubt but is she of the same high standard as NT?

Nov,
I am not sure whether she of the same height of NT .But among actress ,sure she is the Thilagam ,atleast for me.

Such a natural born actress .Pls recall Parvathi in Thiruviyadal ..what a dialogue delivery and accent .Oh My GOD! Her mother tongue is not Tamil .She is a Telugu ..but can you tell me any other actress pronounce tamil with such perfect modulation and nativity ? She is sure a Legend.

Nakeeran
17th August 2006, 02:08 PM
Thats ok Rakesh. I'm grown up enough to accept differing opinions. :redjump:

As for Nadigar Thilagam title, can you compare that with Savithri who was christened Nadigaiyar Thilagam. She is a good actress no doubt but is she of the same high standard as NT?

Nov

Am surprised , this question is from you ! :oops:

Kai kodutha deivam ( she had eaten Shivaji IMHO ). Dont know how many will blast me on saying this :cry:

Pasa malar ( on par with Shivaji , if not superior . Watch the words, siragil enai moodi arumai magal pola & her reaction )

Parthal pasi theerum ( blind matured woman & a naughty character before )

Maya bazar ( played a comedy role in brief but a sober character for the rest of themovie )

Missi amma

Dont know the title but some chinese war related movie with Shivaji again - she did well !

& all characters played alongside GG

IMO, she richly deserves that title

She is not a mere good actress BUT A GREAT ACTRESS

groucho070
17th August 2006, 02:34 PM
nakkeera,

I think you are referring to Iratta Tilagam. The film featured Kannadhasan singing his own song in one scene.

Joe,
Thanks for the info. I do know the existense of that magazine. But would you know when it was? Late 50s?



Thats ok Rakesh. I'm grown up enough to accept differing opinions. :redjump:

As for Nadigar Thilagam title, can you compare that with Savithri who was christened Nadigaiyar Thilagam. She is a good actress no doubt but is she of the same high standard as NT?

Since this question is directed at me. She is definitely Nadigaiyar Tilagam alright. No doubt about it. The best of her generation.

But same standard as NT? Nope.

Actors or actresses, NT towers them all. I know I am inviting plenty of criticism when I say that Padhmini and JJ ranks very close to Savithiri. Check Padhmini out in Sangam and you'd go wooohooo! Even actresses these days dare not go that far. But of course, that is not the only critirea for being the best.

In terms of career, Padhmini's is longer and more fruitful than Savithiris. The latter somehow could not manage her career in later part of sixties and seventies.

As for JJ, she excels in a sense of versatility. She can do kudumba ponnu as well as glamour queen. Her chemistry with NT in both dramatic and comedic films are unparalleled, in my humble opinion.

While Pasa Malar is mostly remembered for tears, I think Savithiri's best performance in pairing with NT was in Navarathiri, where she had to play-act within the film. To each NTs, she had to be someone else. She did well. Not great, but well.

Apart from my NT/MGR film experience, I can't vouch for Savithiri for her performances in other film. Here, I invited Murali sar, Mdm Saradha, Balaji, etc to share their view.

But that is a very good question, Nov. A daring one too!

tfmlover
18th August 2006, 06:55 AM
This song is from Ennai pol Oruvan
tnanks joe

anyone saw chitra powrnami?

groucho070
18th August 2006, 08:05 AM
This song is from Ennai pol Oruvan
tnanks joe

anyone saw chitra powrnami?

Alas, Chitra Powrnami remains one of my least liked NT film. Terrible script. The subject was suitable for NT, but it was terribly written and badly shot. Arrgh! What a waste of talent.

NOV
18th August 2006, 08:29 AM
Hey! All of us forgot Saraswathy Sabatham, where he played both naaradhar and the lead character in the saraswathy story - as the oomai turned pulavar...

agara mudhala ezhuththellaam ariya vaiththaai thEvi
aadhi bagavan muthalendrE unara vaiththaai thEvi
iyal isai naadaga theebam yEtri vaiththaai
eendravar nenjai indru kulira vaiththaai thaayE

uyir mei ezhuththellaam theriya vaiththaai
oomaiyin vaai thiranthu pEsa vaiththaai
ammaa pEsa vaiththaai

ennum ezuththennum kan thiranthaai
Etram tharum pudhumai aatral thanthaai
aiyantheliya vaiththu arivu thanthaai
oli thanthu mozhi thanthu kural thanthaai
Omkaara isai thanthu uyara vaiththaai thEvi

anyone remembers the fast lyrics after that?

tfmlover
18th August 2006, 08:35 AM
thiruvarultselvar , thiruvilaiyaadal , thirumaal perumai
saraswathy sabatham and kandhan karunai --KVM
must seen and treasured
padaiyappa sitting holding VEL
the stairs kind high altar
elaame..inspired from vetri vEl veera vEl.. kandan karunai song .
one cannot forget sivaji nadai for that song

tfmlover
18th August 2006, 08:38 AM
This song is from Ennai pol Oruvan
tnanks joe

anyone saw chitra powrnami?

Alas, Chitra Powrnami remains one of my least liked NT film. Terrible script. The subject was suitable for NT, but it was terribly written and badly shot. Arrgh! What a waste of talent.

i have seen the images jayalalitha and sivaji funny costumes..boots.. bandana..joe

abkhlabhi
18th August 2006, 06:51 PM
let me know the time of birth of NT. Place of birht is Villupuram - am I right ?

tfmlover
19th August 2006, 08:07 AM
Hey! All of us forgot Saraswathy Sabatham, where he played both naaradhar and the lead character in the saraswathy story - as the oomai turned pulavar...

agara mudhala ezhuththellaam ariya vaiththaai thEvi
aadhi bagavan muthalendrE unara vaiththaai thEvi
iyal isai naadaga theebam yEtri vaiththaai
eendravar nenjai indru kulira vaiththaai thaayE

uyir mei ezhuththellaam theriya vaiththaai
oomaiyin vaai thiranthu pEsa vaiththaai
ammaa pEsa vaiththaai

ennum ezuththennum kan thiranthaai
Etram tharum pudhumai aatral thanthaai
aiyantheliya vaiththu arivu thanthaai
oli thanthu mozhi thanthu kural thanthaai
Omkaara isai thanthu uyara vaiththaai thEvi

anyone remembers the fast lyrics after that?

nov itho..inaiku adarkaagave paarthen :D

thOtra vaithu pugazh saatra vaithu
arivootinOduyar aatral thandhennai
aringjan kavingjan kalaingjan ivan ena
arulum thamizhum thigalum kadalena
katravarum kotravarum mutrumE arinthavarum
nitham nithan pugazhnthida ninnaruzhai thantharulvaai
utraar sutram uravinar maanthar yaanai sEnai padayudan vEnthar
patrum patrai neekiya gnjaani palarum pugazhnthida aakiya vaani
thaayilaazhatha pillaiyendru vaayilaadtha oomaiyendru
aayirangal aana kalvi vaai thiranthu thantha selvi
annai unnai saram adainthEn dhEvi !

Jilaba
19th August 2006, 12:35 PM
very nice tfmlover..

actually this charanam, we cant here in records, but only in the movie. The song in the record will end only in "OnggAra isai thandhu uyara vaiththAi devi".

Thanks s lot.

joe
20th August 2006, 10:14 AM
Saraswathi Sabatham is Rajini's favourite movie ..He mentioned in DD interview.

groucho070
21st August 2006, 09:03 AM
Joe, you confound us with your avatars.

Which film is this one from? Let me guess, Uyarntha Manithan?

Saraswathy Sabatham was mentioned (or shown) in Baba, when his character was going through Atheism period. He'd say something to this effect:"Innorutta Poranthu Varanum. Sivaji Sivajithaandaa!"

tfmlover
21st August 2006, 09:07 AM
athu naan pesa ninaipadhelaam groucho070
mmm mmmm mmmm ..thalai aatu sivaji
edhuku thanks ? :D Jilaba tiny drop it is

groucho070
21st August 2006, 09:29 AM
athu naan pesa ninaipadhelaam groucho070
mmm mmmm mmmm ..thalai aatu sivaji
edhuku thanks ? :D Jilaba tiny drop it is

Thanks tfmlover.

Last Saturday our satelite channel showed Thanggapathakkam. Movie was at 11am.

That was the time I usually wake up in the weekends, unless there are appointments. Usually, I'd check whats on (Sat, 11am classic movies) and get on with the morning rituals and cooking.

And when I saw Tanggapathakkam (missed ten minutes) I thought, "Neh, let's get on. Just saw this movie a month ago. Besides, I got issues with Choudary."

True. Sivaji is great. But I can't accept Choudary as a human being. How can a man be THAT cold! To send of child and never to see him for years...and then claim that he is insperabale.

But that is my problem, my own. I think (like Batman and Joker), they created each other. Father created the bad son, and the son made the father more and more machine-like. But this issue is debatable.

Apart from all that...this is a classic movie. Sivaji gives another classic character that will forever be a yardstick anytime anyone plays cop. (Rajini took it from him and Rajini-sised it into another classic cop, Alex Pandiyan).

There is two favourite scene of mine.

1. First night.
Technically, this is supposed to be NTs son's first night, but the kids have taken over his own room. The decorated bed is now for him and KRV. In a rare occasion where Choudry gets to be funny and human, he gets all moody and pleads with his wife....


2. KRVs death.
Staggers, stumbles, and walks upstairs to find his dead wife. Here, those accusing of overacting, pay attentian, extreme restrain. His voice breaking, soft pleading, and finally he breaks...which man can't. (Again, Rajini borrows from him for his Ejamman Meena's death scene).

Of course, there are other moments. I didn't like Srikanth's performance much...too stereotype. But there weren't many actors to do his job at that time.

And I ended up watching the whole movie again!!! Had lunch very late that day. Damn Choudry and his son!

groucho070
23rd August 2006, 09:14 AM
Oh boy, NT thread is sinking again. Let me put in my thoughts for today, so if it sounds gibberish, do pardon me.

One of NTs greatest contribution to the Tamil film industry is to liberate the acting style that was so much tied to its stage past.

True, his own style has been compared to that of stage style, but NT took it one step further.

Many would attribute Parasakthi as the platform for his versatility...true, NT gets to go through motion there, but the film is mostly known for his dialogue delivery, courtesy of Karunanithi's writing.

But then onwards, NT brought out a style that has never been seen before in the history of Tamil film - he brought realism.

By saying realism, I do not mean the constipated expression and the minimalist dialogue that is often said to be realistic in latter days; but character immersion, that, believe it or not, has been NTs forte.

In an interview I read elsewhere, NT said that the character would always be in his mind, whether he's in a shoot or at home. In other words, this is one aspect of what Hollywood calls Method acting. Just an aspect, there are some extreme examples which are mostly waste of the actors' and the filmakers' time.

The realism I mentioned pertains to NTs ability to be consistent, and to comprehensively present an accurate illustration of a character that dictates the overall audience involvement.

The audience were already blown away by his portrayal in Parasakthi. They watched him in awe, and this time the explosion was greater when films like Uthama Puttiran and Veerapandiya Kattabomman came along.

UP would probably be one of the most difficult assignments ever taken by NT at that time. The said character immersion will have to be divided. I mean, an actor, when he is not one, is also someone else, father, husband, friend, brother, etc. And a professional like NT carries his workload wherever he goes - in his mind - and to portray an evil and a good character is not easy.

Yes, people have done it before. But they usually just look like each other with only a drop or two of differences.

NT's twin in this movie is not two side of a same coin. The only thing they have in common is the look...other than that, the body language, the facial expresion, the language, all different. Its like a job for two films crammed into one.

Well, that is fifties. In sixties, NT started to establish what will be a trademark of his forever.....

There...a quick ten minutes of typing. I shall be looking at his acting style in sixties sometimes soon.

tvsankar
23rd August 2006, 11:53 AM
Dear Murali Srinivas,
Indha thread ku vandhuten. :lol:

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

Murali Srinivas
23rd August 2006, 11:57 AM
Dear Usha,

Varuga! Varuga! Ungal Varavu Nalvaravu Aguga!

Regards

tvsankar
23rd August 2006, 12:24 PM
Dear groucho070,

Thanga padhakkam and Sivaji patri miga azhagaga ezhudhi irukireergal.

About Thanga padhakkam --- Nalla Police Officer ku seri illadha paiyan -- Idhai enaku accept seidhu kollavae mudiyavillai.Irundhal enna agum enbadhu dhan kadhai.

Enaku piditha oru scene --- Sri kanth Sivajiyai parthu
solvar.

"Neenga enaku appavaga irundhadhai vida Police aga than irundhu irukeenga "

Enna oru unmai varthaigal.Adhu dhan Choudry !!

Niraiya solli kondae pogalam.

Ennudaiya school days il partha padam idhu.Appodhu ennudaiya paarvaiyil, Son character seri illai enbadhu en opinion.

Enaku marriage agi, enaku oru son pirnadhu avanuku 4 or 5 vayadhu irukum -- indha padathai marubadiyum parka nerndhadhu.Ippodhu, en paarvaiyil,

Parents ana naam migavum strict aga iruka kudadhu nam paiyanidam.

Indha padathil varuvadhu pol enakum one son.ADhanal mudindha varai anbal , nanraga valartha vendum enra oru lesson ai than naan katru konden.

( En husband unmaiyil miga miga soft nature.Naan dhan konjam stict.Rules and regulation ku obey panna vendum enru ellam feel pannai, ahdan padi irukum subavam.En son aiyum appadi iruka vendum enru edhir parthu, niraiya avanidam stict aga irundhu irukiren. :evil: . En paiyan - seriyana ragalai paiyan.

Anbukum undo adaikum thaazh - indha varthaiyin unmaiyai en paiyanai valarthadhil unarndhu konden.

Inru en paiyanuku 15 years agiradhu.Avanudan indha padam paarka nerndhadhu.Avanidam ennai patriyum. avanai valarka naan patta kashtam patriyum solli konden. Oru chinna siripu avandam irundhu vandhadhu.Purindhu konden enbadhu pol !!! :lol:

Adhanal Thanga padhakam film enaku konjam SPECIAL !!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

groucho070
23rd August 2006, 01:25 PM
Welcome to NTs thread, Mrs. Usha. You haven't seen some of the posts by the likes of Murali sar, Balaji (where is he?), Joe, and many others. Wonderful exchange of knowledge, experience, opinions and criticism.

I have the same feeling about Tangga pathakkam. You have a son who is basically not in touch with his parents, and is growing up with fellow juvenile delinquents...how do you expect him to stay away from bad ways.

As you said, that is not the issue, its what follows that forms the story.

There are many, many wonderful scenes...wonderful because of NTs performance. I like one where he visits Srikanth for Deepavali. First he'd be soft, emotional, and after getting all sorts of insults, he suddenly changes, his body errect, his face brimming with authority, "Naan ippa ungga appanaa pesalai, oru police athigariyaa pesuren" and proceeds to warn him. I'd have wet myself if I was the son. Bloody scary!

Sometimes you have to appreciate the actors acting opposite NT. I mean, like Srikanth, he must have really gone through traumatic experience during the shooting of this movie...All NT has to says is Palla Udacchuduven baduvaaa and I'd run to my mommy.

joe
23rd August 2006, 01:39 PM
Thanga Pathakkam is a benchmark movie .Even now when people talk about police characters ,they never forget Thangapathakkam SP Chowdry.

The best scene in thangapathakkam IMO ,the end of the song 'Nallathoru Kudumpam" ,NT was so stylish in his majestic dance and at the end of the song he received a message from police depat ,He asked the partymen to carry on ,in a min he return as a police officer to arrest his son ,whom he has danced with few mins ago and the arguements between son and father! electrifying!!

groucho070
23rd August 2006, 01:43 PM
Finally, an avatar I can identify.

Is he pointing to the blank cheque, Joe?

joe
23rd August 2006, 01:45 PM
Finally, an avatar I can identify.

Is he pointing to the blank cheque, Joe?

Exactly! :D :D

groucho070
23rd August 2006, 01:57 PM
Haha! I knew it.

The thing is, almost all the NT hubbers here would have known the scene (especially Murali sar).

This is what I'd call climax before climax. One difficult scene...god knows how he pulled it off. Oru pakkam painful makeup, oru pakkam reaction kodukkanum, oru pakkam dialogue delivery, running a gamut of emotion....

Makes me cringe each time some actors say, "Intha padattile intha role-ai differentda pannirukken". Makes me want to kidnap them and make them watch this movie.

umaramesh
23rd August 2006, 02:00 PM
I like dining hall scene . "ORU NAAL SAPPADILINA UEIRA POIDUM"
Hope everyone recollects the scene and no need to elaborate.

regards
ramesh

joe
23rd August 2006, 02:00 PM
Makes me cringe each time some actors say, "Intha padattile intha role-ai differentda pannirukken". Makes me want to kidnap them and make them watch this movie.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

abkhlabhi
23rd August 2006, 03:09 PM
The best scene I liked very much in "TP" is NT takne his son Jagan and put him on his shoulder and sung Twinkle twinkle liittle star. Then KRV , enter the room and asked NT. NT replied that "Nee pathu Mazam Sumantha. Naan 10 minutes sumakirene"

I am, being a father of a Son I like this scene verymuch

abkhlabhi
23rd August 2006, 03:12 PM
The best scene I liked very much in "TP" is NT takne his son Jagan and put him on his shoulder and sung Twinkle twinkle liittle star. Then KRV , enter the room and asked NT. NT replied that "Nee pathu Mazam Sumantha. Naan 10 minutes sumakirene"

I am, being a father of a Son I like this scene verymuch

Nakeeran
23rd August 2006, 03:38 PM
Some questions to hubbers here :

1. Did Shivaji participate in making of any movie
Pudhiya paravai was his own movie . Right ? Did he take part in screen play or direction ?
2. Dialogues - Did he ever change or dominate in changing the lyrics or dialogues in any movie ?
3. What about pariticipation in composing a song . Was he at any time, part of a song composition ?

Nakeeran
23rd August 2006, 03:38 PM
Some questions to hubbers here :

1. Did Shivaji participate in making of any movie
Pudhiya paravai was his own movie . Right ? Did he take part in screen play or direction ?
2. Dialogues - Did he ever change or dominate in changing the lyrics or dialogues in any movie ?
3. What about pariticipation in composing a song . Was he at any time, part of a song composition ?

groucho070
23rd August 2006, 04:13 PM
I'd say that being a producer he has a say on what goes on in his film. Plus in ventures like VPK or KOT. In writing in this hub, the interviews fellow hubbers provided, I begin to note that he had actually been involved in the important films. Note that he always says, "we", when talking about successes, failures, etc.

One story that I have heard so many times is the song Enggey Nimmathi from Puthiya Paravai. Kannadhasan took the first two line right out of NTs mouth (he exclaimed Enngey Nimmathi! when describing the characters traumatic situation).

I suspect such incidents may have happen more often. We need to check the TFM section (works of Manisegaran, Mahendra, etc) to seek out these issue.

But NT does not have to sit with the writer. In case of MGR, he always is concerned about what goes in and out...because the crowd comes to his movie wanting only specific things and he has to deliver.

In case of NT, the story, the good directors, and of course, the knowledge of what NT is capable of is enough to inspire poets like Kannadhasan. Plus, Kannadhasan's own experience, a conflicted, troubled but genius writer, is useful for most of NTs character - those complex souls.

saradhaa_sn
23rd August 2006, 06:17 PM
Manytimes MSV told about the participation of Nadigar Thilagam in song compositions. Sometimes he rejected the tunes also, and will give suggessions about the tunes and lyrics (but not that much as MGR).

For example MSV mentioned, he composed a tune for the dream song of Shivaji in 'Sorkam'. After observed the tune, Shivaji suggested to MSV and Dir.Ramanna that the beat should be little faster. Then MSV cancelled the tune and compossed a new one with fast beat, which NT appreciated much.

That is the one, evergreen... "Pon magal vandhaal porul kodi thandhaal".

tvsankar
23rd August 2006, 08:07 PM
Dear grouchoo7o and Joe,

Ungalin avatars of Sivaji ---- V.V.V.V.Cute.

Nice expressions of Sivaji !!

Some type of avatars, sometime bore adikum. Change panninal nanraga irukum enru feel panna vaikum.

Anal ungal iruvarin, avatars of SIVAJI --- Change pannadheenga pl nu solla vaikiradhu !!!!!!

with Love,
Usha Sankar.

joe
23rd August 2006, 10:51 PM
Dear grouchoo7o and Joe,

Ungalin avatars of Sivaji ---- V.V.V.V.Cute.

Nice expressions of Sivaji !!

Some type of avatars, sometime bore adikum. Change panninal nanraga irukum enru feel panna vaikum.

Anal ungal iruvarin, avatars of SIVAJI --- Change pannadheenga pl nu solla vaikiradhu !!!!!!

with Love,
Usha Sankar.

மிக்க நன்றி!

groucho070
24th August 2006, 08:16 AM
Dear grouchoo7o and Joe,

Ungalin avatars of Sivaji ---- V.V.V.V.Cute.

Nice expressions of Sivaji !!

Some type of avatars, sometime bore adikum. Change panninal nanraga irukum enru feel panna vaikum.

Anal ungal iruvarin, avatars of SIVAJI --- Change pannadheenga pl nu solla vaikiradhu !!!!!!

with Love,
Usha Sankar.

Nandri.

But keep a watch on Joe's avatar. Avar adikadi change pannikkittirupaaru. And all of them are good and becomes a topic of debate (like mine did).

groucho070
24th August 2006, 10:01 AM
Let me guess, Joe.

Its the scene where Kannan comes back to 'steal' his coat.

"Intha Rajinikanth ennaikkumee kozhgaiyilee steadyaa iruppa"

joe
24th August 2006, 10:16 AM
Let me guess, Joe.

Its the scene where Kannan comes back to 'steal' his coat.

"Intha Rajinikanth ennaikkumee kozhgaiyilee steadyaa iruppa"

Exactly! :D

Murali Srinivas
24th August 2006, 12:59 PM
Dear Groucho,

You would be happy in the sense that within a day of you saying that there are not much contributions in NT's thread, it has been flooded yesterday. I am typing the political part continuation and since I am doing it from my memory, I just take time to think and make sure I haven't forgotten anything. Meanwhile I thought toreply to some questions you had raised.


Thanks Murali sar and mdm Saradha. This confirms that my favourite NT era is indeed golden one as far as hits are concerned.

Questions off that list:

1. Why did Praptam flopped? I understand it was produced by Savithri and is a remake. I liked the film a lot, and the songs are beautiful.

2. Mundru Deivangal. You said removed because of Deepavali? Why? Was there another movie in the waiting? This movie would have had longer run, it was very, very entertaining.

3. Babu- 100 Days? Not a question. Just rejoice that it did well. One of my mom's favourite. Always thought that it flopped. Better tell my mom.

4. Pattikkada Pattannama - 182 Days???????? No questions again. Just want to shout, yeeeeeeehaaaaaa! One of my favourite. My own NT top ten will definitely have this.

5. Dharmam Engay. Again, why did this one flopped?

6. Raja Raja Chozhan- 31.03.1973 -97 Days (Madurai-Chintamani, removed for Major's Sontham)

What? Why does this thing happen? Getting removed? But contrary to popular belief it did well indeed. Phew!

7. Manitharul Manickam
Any particular reason NT did this film? I bet it was a favour for someone, because the credit began with his name first. Nevertheless, NT leave behind leading man persona (AVM Rajan gets the shoe) and does comedian role. He pulls it off beautifully. The only joy in the otherwise dreary movie.


8. Sivakamiyin Selvan - 69 Days (?) I was under the impression that this was a huge hit!

9. Vani Rani - This is almost guest role, right? Again, doing favour for Vanisree.

Praptham: As you said it was a remake of Hindi Milan. I believe it was remade in Telugu also with ANR playing the lead and it was successful. When it came to Tamil, NT agreed to do it because he could not say no to his "sister". You should know that the last film NT paired Savithiri was Thiruvilayadal and that was in 1965. Though they appeared in 2 films together afterwards (Saraswathy Sabatham in 1966 and Kandhan Karunai in 1967), they were not jodis. Remember 6 long years had passed and Savithiri ceased to be a front line heroine. Not only that, the heroines playing opposite NT was from the next generation like Vanishree, JJ etc. Praptham as you know was a story of re-incarnation and Nenjam Marappathilai was still fresh in the memory of TN. Moreover the background of that movie was set in a village which was surrounded by back waters where NT will be in charge of the boat at the Padaku Thurai. This atmosphere was alien to TN though it is common in Kerala and AP. So people could not whole heartedly identify themselves with the story. Too much of Sogam in the second half and see the release time. Competing with another NT movie released on the same day (S.E.Sundari-14.04.1971) and that too a rollicking comedy entertainer in colour. So even fans opted for SES and unfortunate it was, the last movie in the combo of Nadigar Thilagam & Nadigaiyar Thilagam failed at the BO.

Moondru Deivangal: The movie again a remake from Hindi "Teen Chor" was a brave attempt in the sense NT had no jodi and Sivakumar had 2 Duets. NT sans make up and in original hair style with subtle under play was a treat to watch. It released on 14.08.1971 and in that year Deepavali came early at 18.10.1971. So the movie in all releasing centres had to make way for new releases.(Babu for NT, Neerum Neruppum for MGR, Veetukku Oru Pillai for Jai, so goes the list). So a nice movie suffered just as Thirudan suffered in 1969 (about which I told earlier).

Dharmam Engay: The one movie that failed to run 100 days in 1972. It was inspired from an English movie (don't remember the name) directed by ACT and produced by Shanthi Films (own production). Set in a time that dates back in history, this film would be excellent till the first half. Infact the villain Nambiar is ousted and NT becomes the ruler at which time the interval card appears. So in the second half there was not much to speak about except NTs friend cum B-I-Law Muthuraman in the movie resorting to wicked ways that formed the second part. So the climax actually came in the interval itself. The subtle love scenes between NT-JJ in the second half would be interesting as they would find it difficult to even talk or come near each other. Of course songs were great. But one thing groucho, that I will not forget is the crowds that thronged the theatre ( Sri Devi- Madurai) were mammooth in the first 2 weeks and even bigger than what Vasantha Maaligai attracted. I saw it on the second day (16.07.1972 -Sunday) evening show along with my cousin ( He had already seen the opening show and the first day evening show and he was accompaniying me for the third time in two days) because of the uncontrollable crowds, the theatre had run extra show but still it was of no avail. Police found it very difficult to control and there was lathi charge. I vividly remember a person getting beaten up falling down, suffering a injury with blood oozing out of his right knee. Amazing it looked to me because this person still refused to go away and insisted on watching the movie. Man, he did watch that show.

Contd.

Murali Srinivas
24th August 2006, 01:29 PM
Raja Raja Chozhan: RRC had raised huge expectations but somehow people were not fully satisfied. So the movie didn't get the success it was expected to attain. In our Madurai it ran for 97 days.(31.03.1973 to 05.07.1973). Major's stage drama Sondham was made into a film and it was released on 6th July,73 in that theatre Chinthamani. Normally the disrtibutor and theatre owner agree to run the movie if it is so close to a landmark days. Even for Kulama Gunama released on 26.03.1971, the 100th day fell on July 3rd 1971 and on that day Savalae Samali was charted to release in the same theatre(Madurai-SriDevi).so it was mutually agreed and Kulama Gunama was run as special shows and the opening show of SS stared in the afternoon. In the same manner Bharatha Vilas released a week before RRC(24.03.1973) completed 100 days on July 1st 1973. Again in our Madurai Central where BV was running, Jai's "Pon Vandu" was charted on June 29th,73. Again a mutual consent was taken from theatre owner, distributor of Pon Vandu and BV was allowed to run till 1st July afternnon and Ponvandu was screened from 3 pm on that Sunday, 1st July 1973. But the problem with RRC was it was directly released by Anand Movies of Umapathy and since they had no local people who could talk and clinch the issue, it was removed after 97 days.

Sivakamiyin Selvan: A movie which opened fantastically and continued in the same vein till 50 days suddenly dropped in collections. There was no comfortable logic for the fall. One reason advanced was the glamour content was a bit too much (Ethanai Azahgu and Aadikku Pinne song sequences) which made the ladies and family audience (normally the backbone of NT's BO success) stay away. In our Madurai, a Football tournament on an All India Level held in March 74 (Movie release date - 26.01.1974) badly affected the collections for evening and night shows.

Vani Rani: Not only for Vanishree. This was produced by Vijaya Vahini ( the irony is the same producer produced EV Pillai which was also made in Hindi as Ram Aur Shyam. Seetha Aur Geetha was inspired from Ram and the same Vijaya brought the rights of the movie which they had originally produced) and Chanakiya was directing the same.He passed away suddenly.Till that time nobody had been even booked for NT's role. All portions of Muthuraman and Vanishree except the song Mullaipoo Pallakku had been picturised. Afterwards CVR was asked to complete the movie and on his insistence, NT agreed to do the movie. Well that helped the movie in its BO run.

Regards

groucho070
24th August 2006, 01:38 PM
Great Scott! You remembered my questions !

Thank you very much for the explanations, Murali sar. At last, the giant himself stepped in and set the record stright. I hardly know how the theatre system works over there, and its sad that sometimes slot problem kind of put hurdle to films that may find its audience in longer time. There have been records of film that found its audience slowly.

I understand well on the issue with Sivagamiyin Selvan. The song sequence is quite racy. But that is also the highlight, because there were no cuts in that song. There was just NT, Vanisree and the room, and the camera was following them all over the place (who's camera?).

Thank you again, Murali sar. I gotta print this and put it in my library.

saradhaa_sn
24th August 2006, 05:31 PM
Dear Murali Srinivas...

In 1971, before release, 'Praptham' was expected by audience and fans more, whereas 'Sumadhi En Sundari' was not expected that much, because it was not advertised well. But after the release on the Tamil Newyears day (14th April 71), the result was suddenly changed. Yes, the one (SES) which was not expected much was good to see and three hours run like minutes, but 'Prabtham' failed to catch audience (even fans) because of its slow move and over sadness.

Your statement based on Madurai, whereas I want to give about Chennai report.

Prabtham was released in 'Midland' (now Jayapradha) one of the few A/c theatres in Chennai that time. But 'Sumadhi' was released in Chitra, which was one of the uncomfortable theatre in Mount Road area (now demolished). After watching both the movies, people forgot about the theatre value, but they supported real entertainment.

'Sumathi en Sundhari' covered repeated audience, because of its full entertainments, beautiful picturisation (Direction: CVRajendran) and asusual MSV's fentastic songs. It succesfully crossed 75 days in that theatre with good gate-collection.

'ArunOdhayam' was another movie which failed to get victory in that period.

I will come again, for 'Dharmam Enge'.

Saroooo......

saradhaa_sn
24th August 2006, 06:13 PM
Dear Murali...

'Kulama Gunama' was the the first 100th day movie in 1971, after a continuous failure for Shivaji. Shivaji fans were starving for a suceess, beacase after the 100th day Poster of 'Sorkam' and 'EngirundhO Vandhaal' which released in same day of 1970 Deepavali and met 100th days in the same day.

But after that, there was big gap in Shivaji's success, but a line of failures of

Paadhugaappu
Iru Dhuruvam
Thangaikkaaga
ArunOdhayam
Prabtham
Sumathi En Sundari (even succeeded, but failed to reach 100th day).

During that starvation, the 100th day poster of 'Kulama Gunama' made his fans happy. As usual, fans cut the half page advertisement of Kulama Gunama in 'Dhinathanthi' daily, which says the movie run 100days in four centres in TN:

Chennai:Plaza,
Madurai: Devi,
Trichy: Prabhat,
Salem: Jeya

It gave a boost to fans to make arrangements to receive Shivaji's 150th movie, "Savaale Samaali". It has run with packed houses and successfully crossed 107 days in

Chennai: Shanti, Crown, Bhuvaneswari
Trichy: Prabhat
Madurai: Devi
Salem: Jeya
Kumbakonam: Noor Mahal (now Selvam)

The pity was, even this movie was running with reasonable crowd after 100 days, it was lifted on 107th day, for the release of 'Babu' on Deepavali 1971.

I will come again..

Saroooo....

saradhaa_sn
24th August 2006, 06:40 PM
Dear Murali Srinivas...

Regarding 'Raja Raja Cholan' in Madurai it might be lifted for another movie, but in Chennai it was total failure. Same like what I said about Prabtham and Sumathi en Sundari, here also RRC was expected more since it was the first Cinemascope movie in Tamil, and nobody care about 'Bharatha Vila'. But BV was released a week earlier with a normal result. But after the release of RRC, fans and public got disappointed, because it did not posses that much stuff for a Cinemascope movie.

(These kind of movie will not get good response after release, because over expectation created before the release). People expected RRC as another Kattabomman, another Thiruvilaiyaadal, or another Karnan. But the story was created to round in between Shivaji, Nambiar and Muthuraman and not a wide story.

In fact it was released in Chennai in the theatre of the Producer Umapathy, Yes in Anand theatre. But there also it cant run toa 100 days.

As a result, the disappointed crowd rushed to the theatres of Bharatha Vilas and made it as a good success of 112 days and then lifted for the release of Shivaji's movie "Engal Thanga Raja". (In the meantime 'Ponnonjal' was released, Shivaji paired with Usha Nandhini first time, which continued to four more films as
Gowravam
Rajapart Rangadurai
Manidhanum Dheivamaagalaam
EnnaipOl oruvan.)

Saroooo..........

groucho070
25th August 2006, 11:10 AM
Thank you for the info Mdm Saradha.

I enjoyed RRC very much, because despite the scope (epic) NT was pretty restrained in his performance.

As much as I liked it, I wondered why they did not focus on RRC's empire building efforts. As madam said, it focussed on NT, Muthuraman and Nambiar. Was budget the problem? Having had spent money on cinemascope, maybe they couldn't do a broader venture. I wonder....

Murali Srinivas
25th August 2006, 12:02 PM
Dear Saradhaa,

Thanks for your input. Well this was what I expected. But some small disconnect.

I am afraid that what you are saying about the Pre- Publicity of SES is not correct. It was a own production (Ramkumar Films) and fans were very much aware of the movie and were eager about its release. The songs had become popular before the release (Of course the same was true for Praptham also) and in fact it would be news to many persons if I say the song " Oru Tharam Ore Tharam" was actually recorded for Galatta Kalyanam ( also produced by Ramkumar Films and also directed by CVR). But since they could not picturise the song, the same was used in SES. The song was the last portion to be shot. NT completed the movie before going for election campaign (1971) and after the elections were over, this song was picturised. The side burns sported by NT during this song will be bit longer and denser than it appears in the rest of the movie. As for as Praptham is concerned, it was the general public who expected much from NT- Savithiri combo and were naturally disappointed. Again when you say SES did not complete 100 days, you mean Chennai, Right? Because it ran for 100 days in other centres.

Regarding Kulama Gunama, you are right. It came after 4 films of NT didn't do well. Of course apart from the fact that this films didn't fully satisfy, it was also a fact that the fans fully involved in the election campaign, did not pay much attention to the movies. You were mentioning about Arunodayam. It was released on the election day (March 5th 1971) and therefore it suffered. I have written about this in NT's political innings also. But again one small disconnect. While listing the movies which did not do well at that time, you had included SES and Praptham. But they were released after KG. So when KG was celebrating 100th day on July 3rd, SES was marching towards 100 days which it did eventually complete on 22nd July 1971 (The day Thenum Paalum was released).

About BV, again I beg to disagree. You are right that people had no expectations regarding BV before release because of the hype created by RRC. But to say BV succeded because RRC disappointed is totally unfair to NT and more to ACT. BV succeded on its own and not by default. In fact we friends used to admire the courage shown by ACT to release his BV (produced by ACT's Cine Bharath) just a week before RRC. We should also thank VCShanmugam (NT's brother) for the same because normally it was he who charted the release of NT movies.

Expecting more from your side

Regards

saradhaa_sn
25th August 2006, 01:40 PM
Disappintment of "Dharmam Enge"

Dear Murali Srinivas.

Thanks for your nice response and necessary corrections. But I am still in a doubt whether Sumathi En Sundhari run for 100 days anywhere. (Because it was not included in any of the lists of 'Shivaji's 100 day & Silver Jubilee movies'. I referred various 'malars' regarding this).

Next one, I am noway degrading Bharatha Vilas, because it posses all essential things for a success movie, and taught how national unity starts from a house. A nice and necessary imagination. But we should accept the fact that BV got repeated audience because of their disappontment in RRC. But at the same time we have to accept one fact that normally a movie will loose its temper after 50 days run. But BV did not loose its crowd even after the release of MGR's most expected movie 'Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban' (11.5.1973)on the 49th day of Bharatha Vilas (24.3.1973).

Coming back to 'Dharmam Enge'.

When Babu, Raja and Gnana oli were running successfully, it was expected that Dharmam Enge will be the next release and it will be released in Chennai at Shanti, Crown, Bhuvaneswari theatres. It is a well known fact not only by Shivaji fans, but also by cine viewers of Tamil nadu that, the movies which are all released in these three theatres in Chennai and Trichy Prabhat, will be success throughout TN. This sentiment continued from Thiruvilaiyaadal, which was the first movie released in these S,C,B, theatres and got a success of Silver Jubilee. It is not a mere sentiment or fluke, but the fact is, only movies which are eligible for success will be screened in SCB theatres, others will be pushed to some other theatres.

But it was announced that, 'Pattikkada Pattanama' will be the next movie after Gnana Oli, and it will be released in S,C,B theatres at Chennai. Eventhough it was a black & white movie, and the story of which resembled the previous 'SavaalE samaali', it got a very good (unexpected) success among the audience, by variuos reasons, one of the reason is the song "Ennadi Raakamma".

Then released 'Dharmam Enge' which was more expected by fans, which created more expectation by its different costumes of Shivaji and others. Medias (especially 'Madhi Oli') publised its stills before its release and advertised well. But after the release it created a disappointment among fans and public. The very main reason is AS MR.MURALI RIGHTLY SAID the story was devided in to two parts, before and after intervel. The first half will be very interesting until Shivaji capture the throne from Nambiar. But after intervel, it became a family story, about the power sharing between Shivaji and his brother in law Muthuraman. Muthuraman was shown as villain, for which he noway suitable. The main villain Nambiar was hidden until climax. So the story fell in a deep well.

The climax scenes were shooted in 'Senji Fort' where Shivaji and his sister (Kumari Padmini) run in the open ground where more than 25 persons shooting with gun, but they escape without a small injury. It created big laugh among the audience. It was a big 'sarukkal' for ACT in that scene.

By watching the crowd during first week in Odean theatre (now Melody), it was expected that will cross Silver Jubilee. But not even touched 50 days.

It had good good songs like:
'Suthandhira bOOmiyil palavagai malargal'
'Veeramennum paavaithannai kattikkollungal''
'Palliyaraikkul vandha pulli mayilE'
were well tuned by MSV, and well picturised by ACT, but the result of the movie affected the songs also.

I will come agin..

Saroooo.......

joe
25th August 2006, 02:31 PM
Wow! NT has unique nature of fan following..They can comeout with extensive information on release,then public mood ,various aspects of box office performances so acurately even after many years..fantastic!

joe
25th August 2006, 02:34 PM
Btw,Why couldn't we see balaji for long time? balaji anne! Yaaravathu ethavathu thappa solliruntha mannichirunga ..Enga mela kopam irunthaalum paravayilla .NT thread -a ignore pannatheenga.

Raghu
25th August 2006, 03:24 PM
I had to vote for Karnan, nothing else, it is through the GREATEST actor that INDIA had EVER produced Dr.Shivaji Sir, I along with Millions knew more about the GREATEST WARRIOR KARNAN.

Lakalakalaklakal to SHIVAJI SIR

can some1 pls tell me, where I can download or listen to Karnan songs online?

many thanks

Jilaba
25th August 2006, 03:34 PM
joe

Thiru Balaji is a very good expert in analysing songs and scenes, line by line without missing even a small punches in preludes and interludes. He is a very good analyser.

But at the same time he is not specialist about the previous history and incidents about Nadigar thilagam movies, comparing to Mr. Murali Srinivas and saradha mdm. I am stunned about the informations given by them very accurately, as you said, even after several years. Shivaji is really great to have such kind of fans, keeping all incidents in their fingur tips. Hats off.

saradha mdm, I asked you to teach me how to write in Tamil. please give some ideas by PM to me.

groucho070
25th August 2006, 03:38 PM
Nov,

I didn't expect VPK to lead in the votes.

You have any friends hanging around? Get them to vote for Gauvaram. Oh no, that might be Kalla voottu.

joe
25th August 2006, 04:32 PM
can some1 pls tell me, where I can download or listen to Karnan songs online?



Raghu Thampi,
Here you go..
http://www.oosai.com/tamilsongs/karnan_songs.cfm

Raghu
25th August 2006, 04:55 PM
can some1 pls tell me, where I can download or listen to Karnan songs online?



Raghu Thampi,
Here you go..
http://www.oosai.com/tamilsongs/karnan_songs.cfm

Joe anNe,

Romba Nandri.....

BTW, is ur avatar from Gouravam?

joe
25th August 2006, 05:07 PM
BTW, is ur avatar from Gouravam?

Yes,the famous paristor Rajinikanth!

NOV
25th August 2006, 05:33 PM
I didn't expect VPK to lead in the votes.
You have any friends hanging around? Get them to vote for Gauvaram. Oh no, that might be Kalla voottu.:rotfl:

it doesnt matter which movie leads in the end. kEsariyl suvai thraachamaa, mundhiryaa, sarkkaraiiyaa, sEmiyavaa endru yaaru aaraindhu paarkiraargal? lets just enjoy! :lol:

Nakeeran
25th August 2006, 05:47 PM
Hi all !

I just got a list of Nadigar thilagam movies , yearwise up to 1993 .

Not sure if its correct & also the yearwise data.

Pl correct the data wherever its wrong .

Also pl update on the movies after 1993



By the way, I voted for Gouravam :D

Nakeeran
25th August 2006, 05:51 PM
Here is the list of Nadigar thilagam movies , yearwise :


1952: Parasakthi; Panam

1953: Poongothai/Pardesi; Anbu, Kangal; Thirumbi Paar, Manithanum Mrigamum; Pempudu Koduku

1954: Andha Naal; Illara Jyothi; Ethirparadathu; Kalyanam Panniyum Brahmachari; Kundukkili; Thuli Visham; Thooku Thooki; Manohara/Manohar,

1955: Ulagam Palavitham; Kalvanin Kadhali Kaveri; Koteshwaran; Mangayar Thilakam; Mudhal Thedi/Modalatedi; Pennin Perumai;

1956: Amara Deepam; Tenali Raman; Naney Raja; Nallu Veedu; Raja Rani; Naan Petra Selvam; Rangoon Radha; Vazhvile Oru Naal;

1957: Pudhovayal Tangamalai Rahasyam; Makkalai Petra Maharasi; Manamagal Thevai; Bhagyavati; Vanangamudi; Rani Lalithangi; Ambikapathy; Sarangadhara;

1958: Annaiyin Aanai; Uthama Puthran; Kathavarayan; Shabash Meena; Sampoorna Ramayanam; Pati Bhakti; Bommalapelli/Bommai Kalyanam; Suhaag; School Master; Sitamgarh;

1959: Aval Yar; Thangapathumai, Naan Sollum Rahasiyam; Bhagapirivinai; Maragatham; Veerapandiya Kattaboman/Amar Shaheed;

1960: Daiva Piravi, Kurvanji; Irumputhirai; Padikkatha Methai; Petra Manam; Pavai Vilakku; Raja Bhakti; Makkala Rajya/Kuzhandaiga1 Kanda Kudiyarasu; Vidiveli;

1961: Ellam Unnakkaga; Kappalotiya Thamizhan; Pasamalar; Punarjanmam; Pavamanippu; Marudu Nattu Veeran; Pallum Pazhamum Shri Valli;

1962: Alayamani; Senthamarai; Nishchaya Thambulam; Padithal Mattu Pothuma; Bale Pandian; Bandha Pasam: Partha1 Pasi Theerum; Vadivukku Valai Kappu; Valar Pirai;

1963: Arivali; Annai Illam; Iruvar Ullam; Raktha Tilakam; Kulamagal Radhai; Chittor Rani Padmini; Kumkumam; Paar Magale Paar; Naan Vanangum Daivam; Kalyanin Kanavan; Mamakaram;

1964: Karnan; Pachai Vilakku; Andavan Kathali; Kaikodutha Daivam; Pudhiya Paravai, Muradhan Muthu; Navarathri; School Master;

1965: Pazhani; Anbukkarangal, Shanti; Thiruvillaiyadal; Neelavanam;

1966: Motor Sundaram Pillai; Mahakavi Kalidas; Saraswathi Sabatham; Selvam; Thaye Unakkaga;

1967: Kandan Karunai; Nenjirukumvarai; Pesum Daivam; Thangai; Paladai; Thiruvarut Selvar; Iru Malargal; Ootivarai Uravu;

1968: Thirumal Perumai; Harishchandra; Enga Ooru Raja; Galatta Kalyanam; En Thambi; Thillana Mohanambal; Lakshmi Kalyanam; Uyarntha Manithan; Arunodhayam;

1969: Anbalipu; Thanga Surangam, Kaval Daivam; Gurudakshinai; Anjal Petty 520; Nirai Kudam; Daivamagan: Thirudan; Sivantha Mann;

1970: Enga Mama; Vilayattu Pillai: Vietnam Veedu; Ethiroli; Raman Ethanai Ramanadi; Dharti, Sorgam: Engiruthu Vandhal; Pathakappu;

1971: Iru Thuruvam; Thangaikkaga: Kulama Kunama; Sumathi En Sundari; Praptham; Savale Samali; Thenum Palum; Moondru Daivangal; Babu;

1972: Raja; Gnana Oli; Pattikada Pattanama; Dharmam Engay; Thavaputhalvan; Vasautha Maligai; Neethi; Maa Inti Jyothi;

1973: Bharatha Vilas; Raja Raja Chozhan; Ponnunnjol; Engal Thanga Raja; Gauravam: Manithiral Manikam; Raja Part Rangadurai; Ranganna Sabatham:

1974: Sivakamyin Selvan; Thayi; Vani Rani; Thanga Padakkam; En Magan; Anbai Thedi; Gauravam;

1975: Manithanum Daivamagalam: Avanthan Manithan; Mannavan Vandanadi; Anbe Aruyere, Vaira Nenjam; Doctor Siva, Pattam Bharathamum;

1976: Unakkaga Nann, Grihapravesham; Sathyam; Uthaman; Chitra Pournami; Rojavin Raja: Avan Oru Charitram; Ilaya Thalaimurai; Ennai Pol Oruvan;

1977: Deepam; Naam Pirandha Maan; Annan Oru Koyil Andaman Kathali: Chanakya Chandragupta; Jeevana Theeralu;

1978: Thyagam; Punya Bhoomi; General Chakravarthi; Thacholi Ambu; Pilot Premnath: Justice Gopinath

1979: Thirisulam; Emayam, Kavariman: Nallathoru Kudumbam; Naan Vazhavippen; Pattakathi Bhairavan: Vetrikku Oruvan

1980: Dharma Raja; Yamanokku Yaman; Ratha Pasam; Rishi Moolam; Vishwa Roopam

1981: Amarakaviyam; Sathyam Sundaram; Mohana Ponnagai; Kalthoon; Lorry Driver Rajakannu; Madi Veetu Ezhai; Kizhvanam Sivakkam;

1982: Hitler Umanath; Oorukku Oru Pillai; Vaa Kanna Vaa; Garuda Sowkiyama; Sangili; Vasanthathil Oru Naal; Theerpu; Thyagi; Paritchaikku Neramchu; Oorum Uravum; Nenjangal; Nivurigappina Nippu; Thunai;

1983: Neethipathi; Imaigal; Sandhippu; Mridanga Chakravarthi; Sumangali; Vellai Roja; Urovavugal Maralam; Bezwada Bebbuli;

1984: Thiruppam; Chiranjeevi; Tharasu; Vazhkai; Charitra Nayakan; Simma Soppanam; Ezhuthantha Sattangal; Iru Methaigal; Vamsa Vilakku; Thavani Kanavukal;

1985: Bandham; Nam Iruvar; Padikkatha Panayar; Neethiyin Nizhal; Nermai; Muthal Mariyathai; Raja Rishi; Padikkadhavan;

1986: Sadhanai; Marumagal; Ananda Kannir; Viduthalai; Thaikku Oru Thalattu; Lakshmi Vandhachu,

1987: Veerapandian, Mutukkal Moonru; Anbulla Appa; Thambathiyam; Vishwanatha Nayakudu; Agni Putrudu;

1988: En Thamil En Makkal; Marmagal; Pudhiya Vanam;

1991: Gnana Paravai

1992: Muthal Kural; Thevar Magan; Nangal; Chinna Marumagal;

1993: Paramparyam.

LIST PLS AFTER THIS. :D up to Padayappa !

Raghu
25th August 2006, 08:09 PM
Nakeerare,

add Once more, (the film)

Raghu
25th August 2006, 10:42 PM
joe anNe,

Thanks 4 ur urls about the songs, but it is missing the KEY song, :( , where the likes of TMS, PBS and TL.maharajan all sing the song about Karnan,.. it goes something like this....

'AAyiram karnghal koopi' towards Lord Surya and then another one, my FAV one ' Enna kodupaan ethu kodupaan' this is the song played, when Karnan will be donating wealth for his subjects, plsssssssss helppppppp

tacinema
26th August 2006, 12:00 AM
Raghu,
Try this link:
http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000734.html

I believe, it has got all songs.

tacinema
27th August 2006, 09:36 AM
This question is for NT's hardcore fans, especially Mr. Murali and Sharada Madam. NT released too many movies in 70s; as you said, 29 movies between 1971 and 1975 (average 7 movies / year). With NT releasing so many movies, how did fans manage to see all these movies? I mean didn't fans feel the impression that so many new movies in a short span of time?

In my opinion, if NT had given a reasonable gap between movies, some of these would have turned wonders, easily crossing silver jubilee run. Especially, I think Raja and Savale Samali are easy 175+ days materials. These movies could have easily turned out to be silver jubilee hits, if NT had delayed successive movie release. I still remember Raja was running for over 3 weeks in Chennai in 1990s, with huge cut-out for our NT.

Regards

tvsankar
27th August 2006, 03:04 PM
Dear tacinema,

Ungal kelviku oru chinnna bhadhil .

Andha kalathil entertainment enbadhae cinema matum dhan.Veetil radio mattumae irukum.No TV.

Village il ellam oru theatre matumae irukum.City il matumae 3 or 4 theatres irukum.

Sivaji or MGR movie enru vandhal.,

Minimum 2 months ku theatre ai vittu pogadhu.Adhanal, adutha padathirku, aavalodu kaathinrndhu poi parka vendum.

Sivaji MGR pottiyil,

Muthuraman, Sivakumar, Ravichandran, innum sila actors movies ellam 2 days or 3 days matumae theatre il irukum.

Sila samayaum,. Sivaji MGR in pudhiya padam illai enral, avargaludaiya konjam pazhaiya padamae marubadiyum theatre il poda padum.

Idhu dhan appodhaiya nilai. I feel like this .

Adhanal, makkalin edhirparpil -- avargal aduthu aduthu padam koduka vendiya nilaiyil dhan cinema ulagam irundhadhu ...

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

mr_karthik
27th August 2006, 05:50 PM
Good question tacinema.

I also in the openion, Shivaji's movies suffered to get big success because of its frequent release. They will be removed from the theatres when running with reasonable crowd for the release of his new movies.

I hope Murali and Saradha will explain much abiut this matter, as they are very familier to the period of releases.

Murali Srinivas
28th August 2006, 11:42 AM
Dear Nakeeran,

There are some mistakes regarding the year of release. About other language movies (mostly Telugu) I am not sure about the release date/year. About NT's Tamil movies I can quote from 1969 onwards because that was the period(as I said earlier) I was Baptised in to the religion called NT (I was just 8-9 years old). So I remember from there and a period slightly before that (ie) Ooty Varai Uravu - Iru Malargal period. Of course I remember some milestone movies dates like VPK on 16.02.1959, Baagha Pirivinai on Deepavali day of 1959, Paasa Malar on 27.05.1961,Karnan on Pongal day of 1964 and Navarathiri on 1964 Deepavali. So based on my memory, I am correcting the list. There are some repeated entries also like Gauravam and Marumagal

Arunodhayam is 1971 (05.03.1971)

Avan Oru Charithiram(14.01.1977) and Ilaya Thalaimurai (28.05.1977) are 1977.

Andhaman Kadhali is 26.01.1978

Ennai Pol Oruvan is 1978 (18.03.1978)

In 1987, you have left out a handful of movies.

Raja Mariyadhai - 14.01.1987

Kudumbam Oru Koyil- 26.01.1987

JalliKattu- 27.08.1987

Krishnan Vandhan - 27.08.1987

1995

Pasum Pon- 14.04.1995

1997

Once More - 04.07.1997

Oru Yathra Mozhi (Malayalam) - Aug 1997

1998

En Asai Raja - ?.08.1998 (not remembering the date. It should be 22nd or 29th Aug)

1999

Mannavaru Chinnavaru - 14.01.1999

Padayappa - 14.04.1999

Poo Parikka Varugirom -17.09.1999.

Somebody can correct me if anything is left out.

Regards

PS: tac, I will come back to your query later ( Usha had given a nice logical answer)

tfmlover
28th August 2006, 01:17 PM
just a quick glance will be back again
missing 'naan valartha thangai -1958
(aangal maname appadithaan athu adikadi maarum ippadithaan tms ps hit )

Aai Phirse Bahar , Amar Prem , Ramayan -1960
Daanveer Karma -1965

School Master 1964
Muhammad Musthapha 1978 malayaala movies with prem nazir

mr_karthik
28th August 2006, 01:34 PM
Murali

I am not able accept Usha's reply. It will applcable only for Shivaji but not for MGR. His movies never released frequently, maximum three or four per year. That too, after the previous movie taken out from the theatres and fans waiting for the next film.

His movies never got released in the same day or in same week. If my memory is clear Adimaipen released in May 69 but his next movie NamNaadu relased only in nov.69 on the Deepavali day. Same like that Idhaya Veenai in Sept.72 and next USV in May 73. This kind of big gap is one of the main reasons for the silver jubilee for his movies. Eventhough Pattikaatu Ponnaiya was given a big gap (it released in Oct.73 and next film Netru Indru Naalai released in Aug.74) PP failed to get success and NIN also a normal result.

But for Shivaji, except 1966, all the years there will be a release of minimum 9 per year.

sankara1970
28th August 2006, 05:39 PM
NT himself has liked VPK b'caz it's sort of his childhood dream come true.
After Parasakthi, Manohara,VKP took him to international fame-award in Cairo festival

and I voted for it. The interesting info about this VPK film is producer SSVasan Gemini films wanted to produce this film and started story team. But NT had already started this film with Banthulu. Later Vasan dropped the film b'caz he can't make the film w/o Sivaji. Who else can act? When NT was looking for chances, Vasan had denied chance to NT.

sankara1970
28th August 2006, 06:34 PM
NT is given by one of the fans in Pesum Padam magazine.





Sometimes I wonder why not give the title Superstar to NT. Being that he has such a track record, both artistically and financially. But its okay, Rajini inherited some of NTs talent and similar financial track record, so he can have it.

On the other hand, Nadigar Tilagam title sort of covers various angle. While Makkal Tilagam attributes MGR's stature as a person, leader of incomparable stature, Nadigar Tilagam command respect on all elements of acting department.

Can anyone tell when NT got the Nadigar Tilagam title? I recall it went back as far as fifties.


Murali sar, I think my love for sixties and early seventies comes also from the fact that in those films you get to see more NT. In other films, while he is still the lead actor, there are other characters, & plot developments filling up the screen.

The late 60s and early 70s sees NT playing roles with stories confined to the conflicts of the lead charactor. Better still when films like DM and Gouvaram has NTs(plural) all over them. This delights us artistically, as well as by just being plain fans.

Furthermore (this is a subject to debate) MSV and Kannadhasan were at the height of their creativity at that time. Kannadhasan especially could relate in and out to NTs character, and therefore churn out those beautiful and moving tunes... because they were real emotions pouring out of a poet whose personal and financial life was, well, a mess.

Of course, I left out Valee. The thing is, Valee has always been at the peak of his creativity. He wrote all the songs in the new ARR composed Jillunu Oru Kathal Kathai, and when I listened my jaw almost dropped. Amazing! He is still relevant to this time, and he is ahead of even the younger lyricist. That lovable old man!



By the way NOV,

Gouvaram is still leading, but with narrow margin. I think its time to panic.

sankara1970
28th August 2006, 06:37 PM
[Savithri's talent can be seen in Navarathri. Interestingly all actesses's good performances are with Sivaji only="joe"]
Thats ok Rakesh. I'm grown up enough to accept differing opinions. :redjump:

As for Nadigar Thilagam title, can you compare that with Savithri who was christened Nadigaiyar Thilagam. She is a good actress no doubt but is she of the same high standard as NT?

Nov,
I am not sure whether she of the same height of NT .But among actress ,sure she is the Thilagam ,atleast for me.

Such a natural born actress .Pls recall Parvathi in Thiruviyadal ..what a dialogue delivery and accent .Oh My GOD! Her mother tongue is not Tamil .She is a Telugu ..but can you tell me any other actress pronounce tamil with such perfect modulation and nativity ? She is sure a Legend.[/quote]

groucho070
29th August 2006, 10:03 AM
When NT was looking for chances, Vasan had denied chance to NT.

Thanks for the info Sankara. When did Pesum Padam gave that title.

As for Vasan's relationship with NT, can you share with us more details?

Murali Srinivas
29th August 2006, 12:28 PM
Dear Karthik,

You are right. Only NT had continous releases and not MGR. But what I said about Usha's reply was her statement that people/rasigargal were unsatiable in that period because cinema was the only entertainment that was available was absolutly true. So the fans were wanting more and more of films where they can watch NT in different shades and moods. I still remember this incident. It happened on 2nd June 1974, Sunday. I along with my cousin and his friends(all NT fans) were waiting for watching Thanga Pathakkam evening show. Remember it was the second day of release and my cousin's friends were already discussing about the next release (En Magan). Their logic was they have already seen the Drama, have watched the movie the previous day and for sure they know that this is going to be a Super Duper Hit. So they were eager about the next movie. That was the mood that was prevailing and so when Usha pointed out that, I commented that it was logical.

Now coming back to the original querry, yes because of successive releases, NT's films have suffered. This has happened right thro' his careeer. Films getting released on the same day, within a week's time, in the same month, within 4-5 weeks were quite common. As tac rightly pointed out Raja and Savale Samali would have defintely celebrated Silver Jublie. NT the man who never interfered in producer's domain was not taking care of the gaps that need to be there between any two releases, even if it affected his own production movie. NO Big Star would have allowed his own movie to release within 69 days of a running Blockbuster like Tirusoolam (27.01.1979) when Kavari Mann was released on 06.04.1979. Wost, even before Tirusoolam could complete 100 days, Nallathoru Kudumbam was released on 03.05.1979 (Tirusoolam 96 days and Kavari Mann 27 days). Will anybody accept a film like Pattikada Pattanama to be changed after 146 days from Shanthi, Crown, Bhuvaneswari for releasing Vasantha Maaligai on 29.09.1972? While lesser heroes are afraid to release two movies in 6 months, NT at his 35th year in filmdom, well past his prime did not hesitate to release Jallikattu and Krishnan Vandhan on the same day (ie) 27.09.1987. Remember that day was not Deepavali, Pongal or any festival day to justify such a release. A Ordinary day but still two films were released ( It is another feather in NT's cap, that while Jallikattu celebrated 100 days, KV had a 50 day run). So he has achieved all these BO victories in spite of all these hurdles, when his own films were competing with each other. So in hindsight, we can say that with a little planning, NT's movies would have created records which would have remained unbroken. (Even now there are some of his records which cannot be broken).

MGR on the other hand played his cards well. The clever strategist he was, planned his releases in such a way that the movies ran for many days. This happened especially after he began calling shots which was mainly after Enga Veetu Pillai in 1965. The only 2 years after 1965, when more no of MGR films were released was in 1968 (8 films all having JJ as heroine) and in 1972 (6 films). The reason for 1968 was because of the shooting incident that took place in 1967, his films were delayed and so 1968 saw a rush of films. Then as Karthik rightly said MGR had only 2 releases in 1969 (Adimai Penn on 01.05.1969 & Nam Naadu on 07.11.1969) to offset the loss of '68 and to create a long gap for AP. In 1972, two unexpected releases Sange Muzhangu and Annamita Kai {which were in the making for a long period. Infact in Sange Muzhangu you can see MGR holding Murasoli having a headline of " Tenkasiyil Kathiravan(DMK) Vetri " which happened in 1968} made the quantity as 6. He also made sure that no film of his released in 1973 to facilate the run of USV, but the financial depths that BS Ranga had fallen to produce Pattikattu Ponniah forced MGR to allow the release of the same on 31.08.1973

The only occasion he showed some leniency was in 1974, when he allowed Manian(a back room man of MGR) to release his Sirithu Vaazha Vendum on 30.11.1974, when Sridhar's Urimaikural was released on 07.11.1974. UK was a Super Hit while SVV was average.

If you could again closely scrutinise, MGR's movies if released without "proper gaps" have not done well in BO. (Eg) movies of '68 and '72.

So that's how things worked during those days.

Regards

joe
29th August 2006, 12:51 PM
Murali,
thanks for your great posts.

Just want to know
(Note to MGR fans: My intension is not to compare NT with MGR)

When MGR and NT were in their golden days ,what was their box office capability in A,B,C centres .I mean Is some one had upper hand in some centres and other has advantages in other centres..who had more succes in C centres?

sankara1970
29th August 2006, 01:22 PM
Thangapathakkam- father son duo is writer's imagination. Films are either story writer's imagination or his observation or a impact of his readings,etc.

Scientifically can a police officer have a thief as his son?

The son was okay in childhood-once he started going to school-he was influenced by other street kids-

and story goes on-This can happen to anyone-
SS Barnala's son was chargesd with rape recently-

joe
29th August 2006, 01:26 PM
Thangapathakkam

I think 'Thangapathakkam' was a stage drama by actor Senthamarai ,and when it became a movie Director mahendran (mullum malarum famous) wrote the dialogues.

sankara1970
29th August 2006, 01:29 PM
In Santhi film, the song was composed and sung also. The director and unit was ready. Sivaji cancelled the shooting for three days.
Later it was known that Sivaji was working on the effect he has to give for the betterment of scene.

The song YARR ANTHA NILAVU

sankara1970
29th August 2006, 01:47 PM
Did Gemini films SSVasan ever produce film with our NT? I don't remember. B'caz when sivaji approached Vasan, big producer then, Vasan had turned down Sivaji saying your face is not suitable (ha ha)for films.
Imagine the hurtings for NT.

Even Thevar films has never made a film with Sivaji. Reason by Thever-I will call actors va, po like that-But I can't call Sivaji by name.

There was always a tem of directors for out NT till late 70's. best among them Bhimsingh(pa series), ACT, K Madhavan, Banthulu's Padmini Pictures, K. Balaji's production has given most hits all with Sivaji-In Irumbuthirai Balaji was introduced-Once a supporter of MGR, THengai Srinivasan later acted with NT in Thirisoolam after MGR stopped acting- Nagesh was acting wit both NT and MGR-Manorama hardcore fan of Sivaji-MRR vasu,VKR used to act in NT's films when Nagesh was busy with MGR.
Balachander has directed one film-Sridhar few films.

joe
29th August 2006, 01:51 PM
sankara1970,
Thanks for sharing all these info .But I think you havn't gone through the old thread with 100 pages ,where almost all these informations discussed extensively .Pls check it..You will really enjoy it.

mr_karthik
30th August 2006, 11:56 AM
Did Gemini films SSVasan ever produce film with our NT? I don't remember. B'caz when sivaji approached Vasan, big producer then, Vasan had turned down Sivaji saying your face is not suitable (ha ha)for films.
Imagine the hurtings for NT.


I cant accept your statement. Because 'Gemini' S.S.Vasan has produced and directed two movies with Shivaji as hero.

1. Irumbuthirai - 1960

2. Motor Sundharam Pillai - 26.01.1966, the day in which NT was announced to get 'Padmashree' award.

tfmlover
30th August 2006, 12:44 PM
Did Gemini films SSVasan ever produce film with our NT? I don't remember. B'caz when sivaji approached Vasan, big producer then, Vasan had turned down Sivaji saying your face is not suitable (ha ha)for films.
Imagine the hurtings for NT.

Even Thevar films has never made a film with Sivaji. Reason by Thever-I will call actors va, po like that-But I can't call Sivaji by name.

There was always a tem of directors for out NT till late 70's. best among them Bhimsingh(pa series), ACT, K Madhavan, Banthulu's Padmini Pictures, K. Balaji's production has given most hits all with Sivaji-In Irumbuthirai Balaji was introduced-Once a supporter of MGR, THengai Srinivasan later acted with NT in Thirisoolam after MGR stopped acting- Nagesh was acting wit both NT and MGR-Manorama hardcore fan of Sivaji-MRR vasu,VKR used to act in NT's films when Nagesh was busy with MGR.
Balachander has directed one film-Sridhar few films.

Irumbuthirai Balaji was introduced ! you mean to sivaji ganeshan ?
mangalya bhaagyam , manamalai , manamulla maruthaaram
paanai pidithaval bhakkiyasali balaji did before irumbuthirai

saradhaa_sn
30th August 2006, 01:22 PM
Dear Murali Srinivas & Karthik

Nice discussions about how NT's good movies also affected by successive releases. Same day release, One week gap release, Three releases within a month were quit common in NT's career. But as dihearted fans, we feel much, why this was not regulated by Shivaji Mandram or by his brother Mr.VC Shanmugam, who was lookingafter NT's callsheets etc. If it was done, we can have some more movies in the list of NT's 100 day & Silver Jubilee.

Same day releases (Navarathri & Muradan Muthu, IrumalargaL & Ooty varai uravu, Sorkam & Engirundho vandhaL, Prabtham & SUmathi en sundari, Krishnan vandhan & Jallikkattu etc). Same week releases and three in one month releases are plenty.

Several movies were lifted when it was running with normal crowds, for the reason of release of next film. In between, some of other NT movies released in other theatres also.

For example:

1) Savaale samaaLi was lifted on 107th day for release of Babu. (In between Thenum Paalum & Moondru DheivangaL released in other theatres)

2) Pattikkada Pattanama was lifted in 146 days for the release of Vasandha Maaligai (Dharmam Engey & dhavapputhalvan released in other theatres) But PP reached Silver Jubilee in Madurai Central theatre.

3) Bharatha Vilas was lifted 112 days for EngaL thanga Raja (Rajaraja cholan & ponnoonjal released in between)

4) Engal thanga Raja was lifted in 109 days for release of Gowravam.

5) When 'En Magan' was running 20th day in Chennai Devi Paradise, the slide for 'Anbai thEdi' was shown in the same theatre. (kodumai). But En Magan run 100 days in Madurai New Cinema.

6) Annan oru koyil was lifted in 114 days for Thiyagam.
7) Thiyaagam was lifted in 104 days for 'General Chakravarthy'.(But Thiyagam crossed Silver Jubilee in Madurai Chithamani).

In between these struggles, NT's movies got victories means, they are real achievements. As Mr. Murali rightly said, if this kind of adjuscent releases happen to MGR what will be the result, we have seen in 1968 and in 1972. (Please dont mistake me that I am degrading MGR, but just a comparison between them).

In 1968: Only 'Kudiyirundha Koyil' and 'Oli vilakku' has crossed 100 days and other movies like Vivasayi, Kannan En kadahalan has got average results and Puthiyaboomi, Kanavan, ThEr thiruvizaa, Kaadhal Vaaganam got failure, especially last two utter flop.

In 1972: 'Nalla Neram' and 'Idhaya Veenai' only run more than 100 days. Naan Yen Pirandhen (very nice movie) run average. But Oruthaai Makkal, SangE Muzangu, Annamitta kai, Raman thEdiya Seethai were flop.

In other years, MGR managed the relases between 2 and 4, that too with good gaps.

Coming back with more....

Saroooo....

Murali Srinivas
30th August 2006, 02:51 PM
Dear Sankara,

Balajee was introduced in Gemini's Avvaiyar.

Sankara/Karthik,

One more Gemini film with NT was Vilayattu Pillai released on 06.02.1970 (the same day Dharthi, the Hindi version of Sivantha Mann was released in Bombay and other North Indian cities). VP was a novel written by Kothamangalam Subbu (the same person who wrote Thillana Mohanambal) in Ananda Vikatan. The novel ( I believe the name was Rao Bahadur singaram, not sure) was a big hit, but the film was an average grosser. Again here Enga Mama was released on 14.01.1970 and within 23 days this movie VP got released which affected both the movies.

Dear Saradhaa,

Again nice and happy (because most of the NT films you had quoted had celebrated Silver in Madurai) details from you. But some small corrections in your list.

1968: Vivasayee was 1967 Deepavali release that competed with OOV and Iru Malargal. Instead of that you had to include Rahasiya Police 115 that got released on Pongal day 1968 and that was a 100 day movie in Chennai, I believe. Oli Vilakku, because it was the 100th movie was a little bit stretched to reach 100 days (OV was a remake from Hindi Phool Aur Pattar where the Hero will marry the widow, (Sowcar in Tamil) and for Tamil, it was changed. MGR fans were not that much happy with the movie. Incidentally OV was the only MGR movie produced by Gemini Vasan). As I had pointed out, all 8 films had JJ as heroine, whereas Vivasayee had KRV.

1972: Oru Thai Makkal was not released in '72. It was Dec 1971 release( Not sure if it was 3rd or 10th).

Regards

tfmlover
30th August 2006, 03:14 PM
villaiyaatu pillai not A.P. Nagarajan ?

saradhaa_sn
30th August 2006, 04:22 PM
Dear tfm lover,

'VilaiyaattuppiLLai' was directed by APN but produced by S.S.Vasan under Gemini banner.

Dear Murali Srinivas...

The release date of Oruthaai MakkaL is no doubt Dec 71, but when we analyse the continous success of Shivaji and continous failure of MGR in 1972, we will normally start from 'Babu' and 'Neerum Neruppum' where both are 1971 Deepavali release.

Pre-booking of theatres, several times affected the success of the running films. For that I showed many examples in my previous post. When 'Enga Mama' was released in Chennai Wellington theatre (Pongal'70), one small budget but a good suceessful movie of APN, "Vaa Raja Vaa" was lifted from Wellington and screened in Kapali theatre and completed 100 days there.

Same like that when Sridhar-MGR combo 'Urimaikkural' was released in Odean, "Akkarai Pachchai" (acted by both Jaishanker & Ravichandran) was lifted, which was running with packed houses even the previous day of lifting. Prof. Prakasam contacted Sridhar and asked him, whether he can do something to postponed the release of UK or change the release to any other theatre. But Sridhar gave negative reply that he cant do anything regarding distribution of the movie. Many movies affected like this.

But the most 'kudumai' is Shivaji movies got affected by Shivaji movie itself. Another one I forgot to mention is 'Raman Eththanai Ramanadi', a movie which posses all for a Silver jubilee, was lifted from Shanti, Crown, Bhuvaneswari in just 75 days for the release of 'EngirundhO Vandhaal'. It was shited to Paragon theatre and completed 100 days there. (Again you may happy to know that it has run more than 100 days without break at Madurai).

Saroooo...

tfmlover
30th August 2006, 04:47 PM
Irumbu Thirai direction production both gemini vaasan
right saradhaa_sn?

joe
30th August 2006, 05:02 PM
I heard that Irumputhirai was a silver Jublee movie..is that correct?

saradhaa_sn
30th August 2006, 05:07 PM
Irumbu Thirai direction production both gemini vaasan
right saradhaa_sn?
Yes. Already Mr. Karthik mentioned it previous page.

Irumbuthirai & Motor Sundaram Pillai (both produced & directed by S.S.Vasan)

Gemini's movies with Gemini Ganesh - Vanjikkottai Valiban & Vaazhkaipadagu also produced & directed by S.S.Vasan.

Gemini's movie with MGR - Oli Vilakku was directed by Chanakya (the one who directed Enga veettu pillai)

tfmlover
30th August 2006, 05:32 PM
saradhaa_sn
there is gemini combines too
S.S. Vasan & S.S. Balan
became Gemini Arts (P) Ltd - vilayaatu pillai

tapi Chanakya ? of bhaagya devathai
kaalam maari pochu , pudhiya paadai
same ss balan directed ellorum nalavare with gemini arts pvt ltd

tfmlover
30th August 2006, 06:20 PM
Raj Tilak hindi thaana? vanjikotai vaaliban ?
its interesting most movies of 'pushpavalli under gemini banner too
ipo puriyuthu epdi connection aachunnu :lol:

sankara1970
30th August 2006, 06:49 PM
Dear Murali

Avvaiyar is also first film for Gemini Ganesh, right?
K. Balaji came much later- The film got released in 1948
Correct me if I am wrong. I have a yahoo group sivajifans@yahoogroups.com. I request all of u to join and give inputs. This thread is the best I have come across. Well done NT lovers.

="Murali Srinivas"]Dear Sankara,

Balajee was introduced in Gemini's Avvaiyar.

Sankara/Karthik,

One more Gemini film with NT was Vilayattu Pillai released on 06.02.1970 (the same day Dharthi, the Hindi version of Sivantha Mann was released in Bombay and other North Indian cities). VP was a novel written by Kothamangalam Subbu (the same person who wrote Thillana Mohanambal) in Ananda Vikatan. The novel ( I believe the name was Rao Bahadur singaram, not sure) was a big hit, but the film was an average grosser. Again here Enga Mama was released on 14.01.1970 and within 23 days this movie VP got released which affected both the movies.

Dear Saradhaa,

Again nice and happy (because most of the NT films you had quoted had celebrated Silver in Madurai) details from you. But some small corrections in your list.

1968: Vivasayee was 1967 Deepavali release that competed with OOV and Iru Malargal. Instead of that you had to include Rahasiya Police 115 that got released on Pongal day 1968 and that was a 100 day movie in Chennai, I believe. Oli Vilakku, because it was the 100th movie was a little bit stretched to reach 100 days (OV was a remake from Hindi Phool Aur Pattar where the Hero will marry the widow, (Sowcar in Tamil) and for Tamil, it was changed. MGR fans were not that much happy with the movie. Incidentally OV was the only MGR movie produced by Gemini Vasan). As I had pointed out, all 8 films had JJ as heroine, whereas Vivasayee had KRV.

1972: Oru Thai Makkal was not released in '72. It was Dec 1971 release( Not sure if it was 3rd or 10th).

Regards[/quote]

tacinema
31st August 2006, 08:25 AM
Joe,

Did you get the answer for your question? Your question was about BO capability of NT and MGR.

joe
31st August 2006, 08:33 AM
Joe,

Did you get the answer for your question? Your question was about BO capability of NT and MGR.

Not Yet..Still waiting for answer from Murali sir or saradha .

Anyway ,I repeat my question.

When MGR and NT were in their golden days ,what was their box office capability in A,B,C centres .I mean Is some one had upper hand in some centres and other has advantages in other centres..who had more succes in C centres?

Murali Srinivas
31st August 2006, 11:34 AM
Dear Saradhaa,

About RER, I was part of the celebrations at New Cinema, Madurai. RER released on 14.08.1970, celebrated 100 days on Nov 21st and NT along with other artists and technicians had come to New Cinema theatre on that day and I had gone to the night show (NT came for Matinee,evening and night shows). He came during the interval and the atmosphere was electric. He was in his usual pyjama-kurta and even at the age of 42 (at that point of time), he looked so young and refreshed. Imagine my joy, a school going kid not even in his teens seeing his idol so near (though I have seen him in person earlier). Still after 36 years, I cherish it.

Dear Joe,

Yes.Irumbu Thirai celebrated Silver Jublie at Coimbatore.(Probably due to the story background which dealt with a mill and its trade union activities)

As for as the A,B,C centres are concerned, NT was leading in A, while MGR had a clear edge in C. As for as B was concerned, both were equal with MGR holding a slight advantage. But you must note one thing Joe, that all MGR movies were entertainers which will appeal more to B and C audience. Whereas NT's films depicted all sorts of emotions and as we know, in TN, entertainment will score over emotions. But in spite of all these handicaps, NT was able to achieve so much of BO success and at times his Black and White movies have scored over colour movies of MGR. There lies NT's greatness.

Sankara,
I have read somewhere that Gemini Ganesan introduced Balajee to SS Vasan. I think it was for Avvaiyar but I am not sure.

Regards

NOV
2nd September 2006, 02:55 PM
OK, can we start afresh, without hurting the sentiments of others?

:ty:

umaramesh
2nd September 2006, 03:38 PM
Murali/saradhaa

Carry on your good work. I think you have given statistical information and that too comparing with another leading actor.
Thanks for the info.

ramesh

tacinema
2nd September 2006, 09:24 PM
Which NT movie has got his best introduction scene? I can say I love Gauravam barrister rajnikanth introduction scene and Deiva magan father Sivaji introduction scene.

Jilaba
3rd September 2006, 03:34 PM
Which NT movie has got his best introduction scene? I can say I love Gauravam barrister rajnikanth introduction scene and Deiva magan father Sivaji introduction scene.

You are right..

Gowravam: we will eagerly watching to see Barrsitor, because they show his travel in his car from the court. But when he was talking with his client by phone, suddenly the director introduce Kannan first in the mirror, then only show Barristor Rajinikanth.

Dheiva Magan: Dorector ACT will show father Shanker's legs and hands, after he got disappointed on seeing the face of his first son, the gold coins falling down slowly from his hand.

I also prefer Shivaji's introduction in Thiruvarutchelvar, before starting the song 'Mannavan vandhaanadi', with a gambeera nadai, which one "somebody" can never imagine even in their dreams.

sankara1970
3rd September 2006, 03:55 PM
The success of NT is even after so many years,we talk about him. He was one man industry. He was a phenomenon and inspiration for the generations to follow.

If we accept MGR was overall BO success, we also have to accept NT was only the one who gave equal hits with BO success. During the time of MGR and Sivaji, others with less fame have given success. KB, KSG etc. but not continuously like NT or MGR.

NT never worried about image. He casted other artists and gave them more chance-he never exploited less known actors-

After 1976, with Iliayaraja, SPB, Barathiraja, things changed. But already NT had made history. He is Tamil Cinema's Brahma for ever.

This will never change

groucho070
4th September 2006, 10:13 AM
The weekend saw our satelite channel broadcast Kappal Ottiya Tamizhan. God knows why, but the copy was terrible. My own VCD looks better than the one they showed.

Anyway, as we know, this is one of NTs favourite role. The type that he wished he had done more. This time, I paid more attention to his performance (usually I am blown away by SV Suppiah's Barathi) and noticed those little nuances, tics, body language that, I believe, he learned from his research. I read elsewhere (probably here) that he spoke to those who knew V.U.C and even his own son.

But what is most amazing about this movie is its tenacity to say that even at that early stage, people had forgotten the value of independence and the struggle of freedom fighter. A very downbeat ending. No flag waving, nothing, just an old fighter dying in his bed. Terrible.

In Veera Pandiya Kattabomman, we have a similar hero dying scene, but he dies (killed) when he was at his peak. He died fighting. He was hanged for treason. One mans treason is another man's justified reason. So, when we leave the teatre, we leave with mixed feeling. Sad that the hero died, but elated because he gave one hell of a fight.

In case of KOT, when the movie finishes, we are angry. Why? What happened? Why must he go like that? Kattabomman died a proud man, optimistic that there will thousands like him. But Chidambaram died a very disappointed, lonely man (lonely, though his family was with him, because his fellow fighters were all gone).

I suppose that could be the reason why the film did not do as well as expected. People must have left the theatre feeling guilty as hell.

And that is the power of NTs performance. More than anything, I usually noticed that he is best at making you feel guilty. If MGR can make you guilty for smoking or drinking, NT's weapon is making you guilty by provoking your conscience. Issues like gratitude, honesty, pride, arrogance, ego, selfishness, etc. He can prod and provoke you. Though I was never there at that time, but I could feel the emptiness and disappointment Chidambaram felt towards the end fo the movie. God knows why, but I was feeling terribly guilty. NT is NT, he reaches you and touches you, big screen or not.

groucho070
4th September 2006, 10:20 AM
Nov,

Gouravam is leading again.

Frankly I was expecting Deiva Magan to give a tough fight, but I was wrong (sorry, Murali sar).

But I agree that VPK should give a fight. That movie is far well known among masses (NT fans or not). Gouvaram appeals to NT fans specifically, while VPK has broader appeal. Interesing. Let's see where it goes.

joe
4th September 2006, 10:57 AM
The weekend saw our satelite channel broadcast Kappal Ottiya Tamizhan. God knows why, but the copy was terrible. My own VCD looks better than the one they showed.

Anyway, as we know, this is one of NTs favourite role. The type that he wished he had done more. This time, I paid more attention to his performance (usually I am blown away by SV Suppiah's Barathi) and noticed those little nuances, tics, body language that, I believe, he learned from his research. I read elsewhere (probably here) that he spoke to those who knew V.U.C and even his own son.

But what is most amazing about this movie is its tenacity to say that even at that early stage, people had forgotten the value of independence and the struggle of freedom fighter. A very downbeat ending. No flag waving, nothing, just an old fighter dying in his bed. Terrible.

In Veera Pandiya Kattabomman, we have a similar hero dying scene, but he dies (killed) when he was at his peak. He died fighting. He was hanged for treason. One mans treason is another man's justified reason. So, when we leave the teatre, we leave with mixed feeling. Sad that the hero died, but elated because he gave one hell of a fight.

In case of KOT, when the movie finishes, we are angry. Why? What happened? Why must he go like that? Kattabomman died a proud man, optimistic that there will thousands like him. But Chidambaram died a very disappointed, lonely man (lonely, though his family was with him, because his fellow fighters were all gone).

I suppose that could be the reason why the film did not do as well as expected. People must have left the theatre feeling guilty as hell.

And that is the power of NTs performance. More than anything, I usually noticed that he is best at making you feel guilty. If MGR can make you guilty for smoking or drinking, NT's weapon is making you guilty by provoking your conscience. Issues like gratitude, honesty, pride, arrogance, ego, selfishness, etc. He can prod and provoke you. Though I was never there at that time, but I could feel the emptiness and disappointment Chidambaram felt towards the end fo the movie. God knows why, but I was feeling terribly guilty. NT is NT, he reaches you and touches you, big screen or not.

Good Analysis!

But the difference between VPK and VOC is very evident .VOC's history is very recent one and the movie just reflected the truth without any hype or twisting or assumption ..but VPK 's case nobody had a clear picture about VPK ,there is a controvercy that some say Kattabomman was not a determined fighter or bold one potryaed in the movie ,but he is just a 'Kollai kaaran' or a funny guy .Nobody knows whether really kattabomman speaks like 'Vaanam pozhigirathu' with that powerful voice ..Only thing very clear was kattabomman was hanged in kayattaru by britishers and all other stories are merely assumption mostly ..So VKP movie team had a advantage to potray kattabomman as highly brave freedom fighter ,whereas VOC belonged to 20th century and his history clearly known.

With his powerful performance NT made VPK proud and people tend to beleive VPK as a great king and freedom fighter which is still controvercial.

groucho070
4th September 2006, 11:37 AM
You are right, Joe. I heard the same thing about VPK. Now, mention VPK, we think of NT. Anyone doing stage piece, impersonation, or whatnot, cannot, I repeat, can not escape from NTs shadow.

NT himself, I heard, wanted to do the role having seen VPK koottu. Can anyone tell me such Koottu still exists in Tamilnadu?

Coming to nationalism. I asked earlier if anyone knows the extent of NT's father's involvement in freedom fighting. I recall reading that when NT was born, he was in jail.

I have one itsy bitsy problem with KOT. I think the whole Gemini/Savithri romance could have been avoided. Given a chance, I want to recreate a new VCD/DVD and safely and carefully remove their scenes (though the Barathiyar song was beautiful) and show it to my friends and family. What do you think? Bad idea?

joe
4th September 2006, 12:26 PM
Can anyone tell me such Koottu still exists in Tamilnadu?
It is still not dead ,but it is fading .Before the era of cinema,TV and all ,koothu is the main entertainment in country side .During the local temple festival season ,koothu was a must ..But after cinema emerged ,people used to screen cinema instead of kooththu and some places record dance (people dance for cinema songs with costumes immitating that actor/actress) replaced kooththu .But still it exists in some interior part of tamil nadu country side ..Hope you know some actor/actress like Balasingh ,Pasupathi ,one lady acted in dum dum dum as mathavan's mother and also in arjun's mother in muthalvan ..all from koothu.


Coming to nationalism. I asked earlier if anyone knows the extent of NT's father's involvement in freedom fighting. I recall reading that when NT was born, he was in jail.

There was no much info available on this .But it is true NT's father was a freedom fighter and when NT born at villupuram,he was in jail


I have one itsy bitsy problem with KOT. I think the whole Gemini/Savithri romance could have been avoided. Given a chance, I want to recreate a new VCD/DVD and safely and carefully remove their scenes (though the Barathiyar song was beautiful) and show it to my friends and family. What do you think? Bad idea?

wow! It is a nice idea .I think that gemini /savithiri part added to give importance to Gemini and infact they might think that romance can't be added with VOC character.

joe
4th September 2006, 02:04 PM
சிவாஜி கண்ட நடிப்பு சாம்ராஜ்யம்!
சின்னராசு

நடிப்பு என்று எதைச் சொன்னார்கள்?

உண்மையல்லாத பாவனையை நடிப்பு என்றார்கள்.

சிலர் அன்பு காட்டுவதுபோல சிரிப்பார்கள். அது போலியான சிரிப்பு என்று நமக்கு புலப்பட்டுவிடும். பாசம் உள்ளவர் போல் கண்ணீர் மல்குவார்கள். அது போலிக் கண்ணீர் என்பது நமக்கு புரிந்துவிடும்.

வாழ்க்கையில் இப்படி நடந்து கொள்பவர்களை நடிக்கிறான் என்போம்.

அதே சமயம் நாடகத்திலோ, திரைப்படத்திலோ நடிக்கத்தான் வேண்டும், வாழ்க்கையில்

பாசத்தையோ, பயத்தையோ, ஆனந்தத்தையோ, அழுகையையோ மனம்தான் வெளிப்படுத்தும். மனதிலே இருக்கக்கூடிய உணர்ச்சிகளை வாழ்க்கையில் அப்படியே முகத்திலே தெரியும்படி அநேக சந்தர்ப்பங்களில் நடந்து கொள்ள முடியாது.

பொதுவாக எல்லோரும் மகிழ்ச்சியாக இருக்கக்கூடிய இடத்தில் நாமும் மனதிலே உள்ள மகிழ்ச்சியை வெளிப்படுத்தி வாய்விட்டு சிரிக்கலாம். அதே சமயம் நமக்கு வேண்டாதவர் ஒரு வம்பிலே மாட்டிக்கொள்ளும்போது நமது மனம் சிரிக்குமே தவிர முகம் அதை காட்ட முடியுமா? அதே மாதிரி நமது அன்புக்குரியவர்கள் படும் வேதனையில் நம் மனமும் சங்கடப்பட்டால் அதை முகமும் காட்டும்படி நடந்து கொள்ளலாம். அதே சமயம் நான்கு பேர் முன்னிலையில் நமக்கு ஏற்பட்ட சோகம் தெரிய வாய்விட்டு அழுதோமானால் நம்மை ஒரு ஆண் பிள்ளையாக மதிக்கமாட்டார்கள்.

அதே மாதிரிதான் மற்றவர் மீது நமக்கு எரிச்சல் ஏற்படுவதோ, பொறாமை ஏற்படுவதோ மனதில் நிகழும் உணர்ச்சிகளாக இருக்கலாமே தவிர வெளிப்படையாக முகத்தில் அதை காட்டிக் கொள்ள முடியாது. அதனால் வாழ்க்கையில் ஒருவன் நல்லவனா, கெட்டவனா என்பதை நாம் சுலபத்தில் கண்டறிய முடியவில்லை.

அதே சமயம் ஒரு நாடகத்திலோ, திரையிலோ நடிப்பவர்கள் நல்லவர்களா, கெட்டவர்களா என்பதை நாம் புரிந்து கொண்டால்தான் கதையை ரசிக்க முடியும்! அதிலேயும் இயற்கையாக நடிக்கிறேன் என்று சொல்லிக் கொண்டு மனதிற்குள்ளேயே அந்த உணர்ச்சியை வைத்துக் கொண்டால் நாடகத்தையோ, திரைப்படத்தையோ பார்ப்பவர்களுக்கு அந்த கதாபாத்திரம் என்ன நினைக்கிறது என்பதை கண்டுகொள்ள முடியாது.

எனவே தான் இயற்கையை அநேக சந்தர்ப்பங்களில் நடிக்க வேண்டிய இடத்தில் கொண்டு வர முடியாது. ஒரு நடிகன் கடமை என்பது உண்மை வாழ்கையில் மனம் என்னென்ன உணர்ச்சிகளுக்கு ஆளாகுமோ அந்தந்த உணர்ச்சிகளை எல்லாம் முகத்திலோ சித்தரித்து காட்ட வேண்டும். அதனால்தான் அதனை நடிப்பு என்றார்கள்.

இயற்கையாக நடிக்கிறேன் என்று சொல்வதெல்லாம் நடிக்கத் தெரியாதவர்கள் தன்னை சமாளித்துக் கொள்ளப் பேசுவதாகும்.

மனம் என்ன நினைக்கிறது என்பதை முகத்திலே அப்படி அப்படியே சித்தரிக்க கூடிய கலையில் சிவாஜியை மிஞ்சி உலகத்தில் எந்த நடிகரும் இல்லை.

சிவாஜிக்கு முக அமைப்பு அவர் செய்கிற பாவங்களை எல்லாம் அப்படி அப்படியே நம்மை கவரும் விதத்தில் சித்தரித்து காட்டியது. மேல்நாட்டு நடிகர்களுக்கு இயற்கையாக பெரும்பாலானவர்களுக்கு கண்கள் கூர்மையாக கிடையாது. அதாவது பூனை விழிகள் அமைந்திருக்கும். அதுவே அவர் சித்தரிக்கும் பாவங்களை எடுத்துக் காட்ட தவறிவிடும்.

ஒரு நடிகர் மற்ற பாவங்களை எல்லாம் ஓரளவு சமாளித்துவிடலாம். சோகம் நிறைந்த அழுகை காட்சியில் முகத்தை கேமராவுக்கு அருகே வைத்துக்கொண்டு கைகளால் வாயை பொத்தாமலோ, முகத்தை மூடாமலோ அழுது காட்டச் சொன்னால் அநேகமாக அத்தனை நடிகர்களும் அதில் தோற்றுப் போவார்கள். உதடு ஒரு பக்கம் இழுப்பது மாதிரியோ, கண்கள் ஒரு தினுசாக சொருவது மாதிரியோ அவர்கள் முகத்தை அந்த அழுகை இன்னும் அகோரமாக்கிவிடும். அதனாலேயே பெரும்பாலான நடிகர்கள் அழும்போது முகத்தை பொத்திக் கொள்வார்கள்.

எவ்வளவு குளோசப் காட்சியிலும் முகத்திலே குறை தெரியாமல் நமது மனதை உருக்கும் விதம் அழுது காட்டக்கூடிய திறமை சிவாஜிக்கு மட்டுமே உண்டு.

எல்லோரும் ஓர் உணர்ச்சியை முகத்திலோ சித்தரிக்கவே சிரமம் மேற்கொள்ளும் பொழுது, சிவாஜி ஒரே சமயத்தில் இரண்டி வித உணர்வுகளையோ, மூன்று வித உணர்வுகளையோ சுலபமாக சித்தரித்துக் காட்டுவார்.

ŌராஜாÕ படத்தில் சிவாஜி முன்னிலையில் அவர் தாயை அழைத்து வந்து ŌŌஇவள்தானே உன் தாய்?ÕÕ என்று வில்லன் கேட்பார். தாயைக் காப்பாற்றுவதற்காக சிவாஜி ŌŌஎனக்கு இந்த அம்மாவை தெரியாதுÕÕ என்பார். உடனே வில்லன் (ரங்காராவ்) சிவாஜியின் தாயை சவுக்கால் அடிப்பார்.

அந்த அடி அந்த அம்மா மீது விழ விழ தனக்கு அதனால் ஏதும் கவலை இல்லை என்கிற மாதிரி சிவாஜி சிரிக்க முயல்வார். அந்த சிரிப்பு அவர் முகத்தில் வெளிப்படும்போதே அவரை மீறிய வேதனை ஒன்று அந்த சிரிப்பிடையே புகுந்து வருவது துல்லியமாய் தெரியும். அந்த இரண்டு உணர்வுகளை மிக அற்புதமாக காட்டுவார்.

அதுபோல Ōஎன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்Õ படத்தில் சிவாஜிக்கு இரட்டை வேடம். ஒன்று போல் இருக்கும் இருவரும் நண்பர்கள். ஒரு நண்பனுக்காக இன்னொருவன் அவனைப்போல அவனுடைய வீட்டுக்கு சென்று நடிக்க வேண்டும். அதுவரை அந்த வீட்டுக்கு சென்றிராத இன்னொரு சிவாஜி அங்கே இப்போது புதிதாக சென்ற நேரம் நண்பணின் மனைவியும், இளம் வயதுடைய வேலைக்காரியும் எதிரே நின்று கொண்டிருப்பார்கள்.

இருவரில் யார் நண்பனின் மனைவி என்று தெரியாமல் அசட்டு சிரிப்பை வெளிப்படுத்தியபடி சகஜமாக இருந்து கொள்வது போல ஒரு பாவனையை சிரித்தரித்து இரண்டு உணர்ச்சிகளாக வெளிப்படுத்துவார்.

Ōபாகப் பிரிவினைÕ படத்தில் ஒரு விபத்தில் கை ஊனமான கண்ணய்யனாக சிவாஜி வருவார். அவர் வீட்டிலே வேலை பார்க்கும் பொன்னி என்ற வேலைக்காரப் பெண்ணாக சரோஜாதேவி வருவார். பொன்னியின் குணத்தைப் பார்த்து, அவளை தன் மகனுக்கு கட்டி வைக்கலாம் என ஆசைப்படும் சிவாஜியின் தாயாராக ராஜம்மா நடிப்பார்.

ராஜம்மா தன்னுடைய ஆசையை மகன் முன்னால் சொன்னதும் சிவாஜி அந்த திருமணம்

வேண்டாம் என்பார். ŌŌபொன்னி ஒரு அனாதைப் பெண் என்பதால் இந்த நொண்டிக்கு அவளை வற்புறுத்தி கல்யாணம் செய்து வைக்க பார்க்கிறீர்கள் எனக்கு இந்த கல்யாணம் வேண்டாம்ÕÕ என்பார்.

அப்போது சரோஜாதேவியே அங்கு வந்து தனக்கே அந்தத் திருமணத்தில் விருப்பம்தான் என்பதை வெளிப்படுத்துவார்.

இந்தக் காட்சியில் சிவாஜியின் முகத்தை குளோசப்பில் கொண்டு வருவார்கள். அந்த முகத்திலே ஆனந்தம் ஒரு பக்கம். ஆச்சர்யம் ஒரு பக்கம்! வேதனை ஒரு பக்கம் என்று மூன்று உணர்ச்சிகளும் பின்னிப் பின்னி வருவதை ஒரு நிமிடம் திரையிலே காட்டுவார்கள்.

அதேபோல Ōஆலய மணிÕ திரைப்படத்தில் சிவாஜி கோடீஸ்வரர் தியாகராஜனாக வருவார். அவருக்கு மீனா என்ற பெண்ணை நிச்சயம் செய்யப்பட்டிருக்கும். அந்த வேடத்தில் சரோஜா தேவி நடிப்பார். சிவாஜியின் நண்பன் ராமுவாக எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆர்.நடிப்பார்.

சிவாஜிக்கு நிச்சயம் செய்த சில நாளில் ஒரு விபத்தில் கால் முறிந்துவிடும். இனி தன்னால் நடக்க முடியுமா என்ற சந்தேகம் ஏற்பட்டதும் தனக்கு நிச்சயம் செய்யப்பட்ட சரோஜாதேவியிடம் சிவாஜி பேசுவார். நமக்கு இன்னும் திருமணமாகவில்லை. வெறும் நிச்சயம்தான் நடந்திருக்கிறது. அதனால் உனக்கு பிடித்த வேறொருவனை நீ மணந்து கொள்ள சம்மதம் தருகிறேன் என்று கூறுவார். ஆனால் அதை சரோஜாதேவி ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார். உங்களோடுதான் வாழ்வேன் என்று பிடிவாதமாக சொல்வார்.

இந்த நிலையில் சிவாஜிக்கு புதிதாக சக்கர நாற்காலி வாங்கிக் கொண்டு அதைக் தள்ளிபடி எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆர். வருவார். அதுவரை சரோஜாதேவியிடம் கொஞ்சம் கலகலப்பாக பேசிக் கொண்டிருந்த சிவாஜி சக்கர நாற்காலியை கண்டதும் ஏதேதோ நினைவுகளுக்கு ஆளாவார்.

தான் முடமாகிவிட்டோம் என்ற எண்ணம் சிவாஜிக்கு அழுகையை தரும். ஆனால் அந்த அழுகையை வெளிப்படுத்தினால் தனக்கு நிச்சயிக்கப்பட்ட பெண்ணின் மனம் உடைந்து போகும். எனவே அவள் முன் சாதாரணமாக இருந்து கொள்ள வேண்டும். அதே சமயம் சக்கர நாற்காலியோடு வருகிற நண்பனை கண்டு புன்னகையோடு வரவேற்பது மாதிரி நடந்து கொள்ள வேண்டும்.

ஆக அழுகை, வெறுமை, புன்னகை என்று மூன்று உணர்ச்சிகளை அந்த கணத்திலே சிவாஜி சித்தரிக்கும் போது நாமெல்லாம் நெகிழ்ந்து போவோம்.

இப்படி நூறு, இரு நூறு உதாரணங்களை அவர் நடிப்பிலே செய்த அற்புதமான வித்தியாசமான ஆற்றலுக்கு சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போகலாம்.

சிவாஜியைப் பொறுத்தவரை முகம் பேசாமல் அவர் கைகள் கூட பேசி நடிக்கும் Ōசம்பூர்ண ராமாயணம்ÕÕ படத்தில் பரதன் தனது தம்பி சத்ருக்கனுடன் அயோத்திக்கு தேரிலே திரும்பிக் கொண்டிருப்பான். அதே சமயம் அயோத்தி மக்களோ பரதனால் ராமன் காட்டுக்கு போய்விட்டான் என்ற எண்ணத்தில் பரதன் மீது மிகுந்த வெறுப்புடன் இருந்து கொண்டிருப்பார்கள்.

பரதனோ இதை எல்லாம் அறியாமல் இயல்பாக எதிர்பாடும் மக்களை நேரில் இருந்துபடியே வணங்கிக் கொண்டு வருவான். ஆனால் மக்களோ பரதனை வெறுத்தவாறு முகத்தை திருப்பிக் கொண்டு போய் விடுவார்கள். இந்தக் காட்சியில் பரதன் நிலை குலைந்து போவான்.

இந்தக் காட்சியில் சிவாஜி பரதனாக நடிக்கும்பொழுது, முகத்திலே சோகம் அப்ப தேரிலே தலை கவிழ்ந்து கொண்டு அமர்ந்திருப்பார். தேரோட்டி மேலே போகலாமா வேண்டாமா என்று தேரை நிறுத்தி வைத்திருப்பான். சிவாஜி சற்று மௌனத்திற்குப் பிறகு, முகத்திலே சோகம் ததும்ப தேரோட்டியை நோக்கி புறங்கையை மட்டும் அசைப்பார்.

அந்தப் புறங்கையின் அசைவில் பலவித வசனங்கள் வெளிப்பட்டதும் போல் இருக்கும். ஏதோ நடந்திருக்கிறது. எனக்கு எதுவும் புரியவில்லை. நீ ஏன் தேரை நிறுத்திவிட்டாய். நீ போய்க் கொண்டிரு என்று சொல்கிற பாவங்கள் எல்லாம் அந்த கை அசைவிலே வெளிப்படும்.

அதே போல Ōஉத்தமபுத்திரன்Õ படத்தில் நல்லவனான சிவாஜியை சேவகர்கள் சிறை பிடித்து வந்திருப்பார்கள். நல்லவன் சிவாஜிக்கு அதுவரை அடைக்கலம் தந்த சோமப்பாவையும் கூடவே கைது செய்து கொண்டு வந்திருப்பார்கள்.

அதே சமயம் அங்கே கோபாவேசமாக வந்து நிற்கும் வில்லன் சிவாஜி தன் முன் கைது செய்யப்பட்டு இருப்பவர்களை ஒரு முறை பார்த்துவிட்டு, அவர் கையிலே செய்கிற அபிநயம் சில உத்தரவுகளை பிறப்பிக்கும்.

அதாவது ŌŌசேவகர்களே நீங்கள் சற்று தள்ளிப் போங்கள். சோமப்பாவையும் விட்டு விடுங்கள். நான் இவர்களிடம் கொஞ்சம் பேச வேண்டும்ÕÕ என்றெல்லாம் பேச வேண்டிய வசனங்களை கை செய்கிற பாவனைகளிலேயே சித்தரித்து விடுவார்.

அதே மாதிரி அதே Ōஉத்தம புத்திரன்Õ படத்தில் மந்திரி மகள் பத்மினியை வில்லன் சிவாஜிக்கு பெண் கேட்க வேண்டும் என்ற ஆசையோடு அம்மா கண்ணம்மா மந்திரி வீட்டுக்கு வந்திருப்பார்.

அப்போது கண்ணம்மாவை நெருங்கி அவர் தம்பியான நம்பியார், ŌŌஅக்கா நமது விக்ரமனுக்கு பெண்ணையும் மிகவும் பிடித்துவிட்டதுÕÕ என்று சொல்வார். உடனே கண்ணம்மா அது உண்மைதானா என்று கேட்பது போல மகன் விக்ரமனை பார்ப்பார்.

அப்போது சிவாஜி வசனமே இல்லாமல் இரண்டு கண்களையும் மூடித் திறக்கிற காட்சியில் ஆயிரம் சம்மதம் சொன்னது போல ஒரு பாவனையை வெளிப்படுத்துவார்.

அந்த நடிப்பைக் கண்டு அரங்கமே கரவொலியால் அதிரும்.

Ōதங்கமலை ரகசியம்Õ என்ற திரைப்படத்தில் ராஜகுமாரனாக பிறந்த சிவாஜியை அவர் பச்சைக் குழந்தையாக இருக்கும் பொழுதே வில்லனின் சூழ்ச்சியால் காட்டிலே கொண்டு போட்டுவிட்டு வந்து விடுவார்கள். அங்கே யானை போன்ற மிருகங்களால் வளர்க்கப்பட்டே அவர் வாலிபனாக வளர்ந்திருப்பார்.

அவரை அப்படி காட்டு மனிதனாக முதல் காட்சியில் காட்டும்பொழுது, மனித குரங்கு ஏற்கனவே

சாப்பிட்ட பழத்தை வாயிலே அசை போடுமே அது மாதிரி ஒரு பாவனையுடன் முகத்தை அவர் காட்டும் பொழுது. பிறந்தது முதல் அவர் காட்டிலே வளர்ந்தவர்தான் என்பது நமக்கு புரிந்தது போல் இருக்கும். அவ்வளவு அருமையான முத்திரை.

Ōதில்லானா மோகனம்பாள்ÕÕ படத்தில் சிவாஜி தோன்றுகிற காட்சிகளில் எல்லாம் அற்புதமான நடிப்பை சித்தரிப்பார். குறிப்பாக Ōநலந்தானா....Õ பாட்டில் இரண்டு வித காட்சிகளில் தன் கண்களை கொண்டே நடிப்பார்.

Ōபுண்பட்ட செய்தியை கேட்டவுடன் இந்த பெண் பட்டப் பாட்டை யாரறிவார்ÕÕ என்று பத்மினி பாடும்பொழுது, நாயனம் வாசித்துக் கொண்டே கண்களில் கண்ணீரை பொங்க விடுவார்.

அதே பாடலில் இன்னொரு இடத்தில் பத்மினியை தேற்றுகிற நோக்கத்தில் நாயணம் வாசித்துக் கொண்டே கண்ணை சிமிட்டுவார். அந்த சமயத்தில் எல்லாம் அவர் நடிப்பு நம்மை பூரிப்பின் எல்லையில் கொண்டு ஆழ்த்தும்.

Ōசிவாஜிகண்ட இந்து சாம்ராஜ்யம்ÕÕ என்ற அண்ணாவின் நாடகம் மூலம் சிவாஜியாக புகழில் உயர்ந்த இந்த சிவாஜி கண்ட நடிப்பு சாம்ராஜ்யத்தை வெல்வதற்கு இன்னொருவர் வர முடியாது என்பதுவும் தமிழனின் பெருமைகளில் ஒன்றாக நிலைக்கும்.

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groucho070
4th September 2006, 02:27 PM
Amazing contribution, Joe.

That sinnarasu knows his NT films well. Reading it, I feel we have taken many things for granted. Having had watched many NT films, we sometimes forget to sit back and 'taste' scene by scene. NT is a pure professional. Born to be a screen and stage actor.

mr_karthik
4th September 2006, 07:56 PM
Thanks a lot mr.Joe, for reproducing the nice analysis by thiru Chinnarasu.

a scene in 'GnanaOli'. When his wife Vijayanirmala was admitted in hospital for delivery, Shivaji will be making a 'savappetti' (for a old lady, who was nearing the death).

Suddenly that man will come and tell him, that box is not necessary, because that old lady crossed yhe dangerous stage. Shivaji will become fed-up and shout at him, "Poyya, idhuvarai yArkkum seyyAtha mAthiri specialA senjirundhEn, ippadi yEmAththittiyE".

The time, the Bishop will come and tell the death news of his wife duriing delivery.

THE CAMERA FOCUS AT HIM IN CLOSE-UP, SHOWING HIS CHEEK IS SHIVERING.

Everyone in the theatre told, 'only this man can do it, nobody else'.

mr_karthik
4th September 2006, 08:13 PM
I have one itsy bitsy problem with KOT. I think the whole Gemini/Savithri romance could have been avoided. Given a chance, I want to recreate a new VCD/DVD and safely and carefully remove their scenes (though the Barathiyar song was beautiful) and show it to my friends and family. What do you think? Bad idea?

Dear Groucho,
You are going to do it, But I have already done it (in my video cassette) deleted Gemini-Savithri episode in KOT.

I am also having the same feeling, why Bandhulu introduced and eloborated the artificial 'Madasmy' (Gemini) roll this much big, leaving real 'Vanchinathan' (Balaji) roll as a small. As per my openion GG is not at all necessary in that movie, where as the real charecters of VOC, Bharathiyar, Subramaniya Siva, Vanchinathan are there. Gemini Savithri roll occupied a big portion in that movie.

After deleting that portion, the movie is nice to watch somewhat speed and good.

Same like that, in VPK also I have edited the portions of song by Varalakshmi, Padmini and Ragini (takku...takku...), and the song and comedy scenes of Karunanidhi, kuladheivam Rajagopal and T.P.Muthulaxmi, the 'vaithiyar vedam' of Padmini with GG etc... which are putting speed breakers for the speedy movement of the movie.

joe
5th September 2006, 01:03 PM
சிவாஜி நடிப்பும், பூகம்பமும்
சின்னராசு

சிவாஜியை பொருத்தவரை தமிழ்த்திரைப்படங்களை தவிர மற்ற மொழி படங்களில் அடிக்க வேண்டும் என்று ஆர்வம் காட்டியதில்லை. ஆனால் சிவாஜியிடம் உள்ள சிறந்த திறமையினால் கவரப்பட்டவர்கள் இந்தியாவில் எல்லா மொழித் திரையுலகிலும் நிறைய பேர் இருக்கிறார்கள். அதனால் அவரை தங்கள் தங்கள் மொழிப் படங்களில் நடிக்க வைக்க பலர் பல சமயங்களில் வற்புறுத்தியதுண்டு.

ஆனால் சிவாஜி அவரவர் தங்கள் தாய்மொழி படங்களில் நடிப்பதே சிறப்பு என்று கருத்தை வலியுறுத்தி நழுவிக்கொள்ள முயல்வார்.

தெலுங்கு திரையுலகில் நிரந்தர கதாநாயகனாக புகழ்பெற்று வாழும் நாகேஸ்வரராவ் ஆரம்ப காலம் முதலே சிவாஜியிடம் உள்ள திறமையால் அவரிடம் நட்பு பாராட்டி வந்தார். அவர் அவ்வப்போது தெலுங்கு படங்களில் சிவாஜியை நடிக்க அழைத்ததுண்டு. சிவாஜி அதை ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடியாமல் போகிற சூழ்நிலையைக் கண்டு பிறகு நாகேஸ்வரராவ் தான் தெலுங்கிலே நடிக்கும் படங்களில் சிறந்த கதையம்சமும், நடிப்புக்கு நல்ல வாய்ப்புள்ள படங்களை சிவாஜிக்கு தெரிவித்து அந்தப் படத்தை தமிழிலே எடுக்கும் பொழுது கட்டாயம் நீங்கள் நடிக்க வேண்டும் என வற்புறுத்துவார்.




சிவாஜியின் நடிப்பை பற்றி நாகேஸ்வரராவ் குறிப்பிடும் பொழுது, ŌŌஉலகில் சிறந்த நடிகராய் மதிக்கப்படும் மார்லன் பிராண்டோ படங்களை பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். என்னைப் பொருத்தவரை நான் முயன்றால் மார்லன் பிராண்டோ மாதிரி நடித்துவிட முடியும். ஆனால் சிவாஜி நடித்தப் பாத்திரங்களில் அவர் மாதிரி என்னால் நிச்சயமாக நடிக்க முடியாதுÕÕ என்று கூறி சிவாஜியை பெரிதும் பாராட்டியிருக்கிறார்.

நாகேஸ்வரராவ் போன்ற பல மொழியைச் சேர்ந்த நண்பர்கள் வற்புறுத்துவதின் பேரில் தெலுங்கு, கன்னடம், மலையாளம், இந்தி ஆகிய மொழிப் படங்களில் கவுரவ வேடத்திலோ அல்லது தவிர்க்க முடியாமல் குறிப்பிட்ட சில படங்களில் முக்கிய பாத்திரத்திலோ சிவாஜி நடித்ததுண்டு.

தமிழிலே சத்ரபதி சிவாஜி வேடத்தில் Ōராமன் எத்தனை ராமனடிÕ படத்தில் ஒரு காட்சியில் சிவாஜி தோன்றினார். அதுபோல் தெலுங்கில் நாகேஸ்வரராவ், என்.டி.ராமராவ் நடித்த Ōபக்த ராமதாஸ்Õ படத்தில் சத்ரபதி சிவாஜியாக தோன்றி தனது அருமையான நடிப்பை சிவாஜி வெளிப்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார். அதேமாதிரி தெலுங்கில் அலெக்ஸாண்டர் வேடத்திலும் நடித்திருக்கிறார்.

இந்தி நடிகர் ராஜேந்திர குமார் சிவாஜி நடிப்பில் மிகுந்த மதிப்பு கொண்டிருந்தார். Ōசிவந்த மண்Õ தமிழ்ப்படத்தில் சிவாஜி நடித்த வேடத்தில் இந்தியில் ராஜேந்திரகுமார் தான் நடித்தார். இரண்டு படங்களையும் ஒன்றுபோல் எடுத்து வந்ததால் அந்த சமயங்களில் ராஜேந்திர குமார் அடிக்கடி சிவாஜியை சந்திக்கிற வாய்ப்பு கிடைத்தது.

அந்த சமயங்களில் எல்லாம் சிவாஜியிடம் ராஜேந்திரகுமார் ŌŌதாங்கள் இந்திப் படங்களில் நடிக்க வேண்டும்ÕÕ என்று வற்புறுத்துவார்.

அப்படி ஒருநாள் பேசிக் கொண்டிருக்கும்பொழுது, சிவாஜியிடம் ராஜேந்திரகுமார் கூறினார், ŌŌநீங்கள் மட்டும் இந்திப் படத்தில் முக்கிய வேடத்தில் நடித்து அந்த முதல்படம் வெளிவருகிற நாளில் பம்பாயில் பூகம்பமே ஏற்படும்ÕÕ என்று கூறினார்.




தமிழில் Ōசிவந்தமண்Õ படத்தில் கௌரவ வேடத்தில் ஒரு புரட்சிக்காரனாக முத்துராமன் நடிப்பார். அதே வேடத்தில் இந்தியில் சிவாஜி நடித்தார்.

Ōதர்த்திÕ என்ற பெயரில் இந்தியில் சிவந்த மண் பம்பாயில் வெளியானபோது அன்று இயற்கையாக ஒரு சிறுபூமி அதிர்ச்சி ஏற்பட்டது. உடனே ராஜேந்திர குமார் பம்பாயிலிருந்து அவசரமாக சிவாஜியிடம் பேசினார்.

ŌŌஹலோ சிவாஜி சார், நான் உங்களிடம் ஏற்கனவே சொன்னது ஞாபகமிருக்கும். நீங்கள் இந்திப் படத்தில் நடிப்பீர்களானால் அந்தப் படம் வெளிவரும் பொழுது, பம்பாயில் ஒரு பெரிய பூகம்பமே வரும் என்று சொன்னே.

இப்பொழுது நீங்கள் கௌரவ வேடத்தில் நடித்த Ōதர்த்திÕ படம் பம்பாயில் வெளியானபோது இங்கே ஒரு பூமி அதிர்ச்சி ஏற்பட்டிருக்கிறது.

நீங்கள் முழு படத்தில் நடித்திருந்தால் பூகம்பமே ஏற்பட்டிருக்கும். நான் சொன்னதை இப்போதாவது நம்புகிறீர்களா?ŌŌ என்று வேடிக்கையாகக் கேட்டார்.

சிவாஜியை பொருத்தவரை நடிப்பதற்காக எதையும் விட்டுக் கொடுக்க தயாராக இருப்பார்.

Ōகப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்Õ திரைப்படம் தயாரான காலத்தில் வ.உ.சிதம்பரனார் வேடத்தில் மிக பயபக்தியோடு சிவாஜி நடிக்க ஆரம்பித்தார். அந்தப் பாத்திரத்தில் தனது வேடப் பொருத்தம் மிக கச்சிதமாக அமைய வேண்டும் என்பதற்காக சிதம்பரனாரைப் போல் தனது தலைமுடியை அப்பளக் குடுமி வைத்து வெட்டிக்கொள்ள முன்வந்தார். ஆனால் மற்றவர்கள் அது வேண்டாம் என தடுத்தார்கள்.

ŌŌநீங்கள் நிறைய படங்களில் நடித்துவரும் நிலையில் சிதம்பரனார் வேடத்திற்காக தலைமுடியை அப்பளக்குடுமியாக வெட்டிக் கொள்வீர்களானால் மற்ற படங்களில் வேறு வேடங்களில் நடிக்கும்பொழுது சிரமப்படுவீர்கள். எனவே சிதம்பரனார் வேடத்திற்கு செயற்கையாகவே அப்பளக்குடுமி மேக்கப் போட்டுக்கொள்ளலாம்ÕÕ கூறிவிட்டார்கள்.




Ōகப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்Õ படம் தயாராகி தனிக்காட்சி திரையிட்டபோது அதைப் பார்த்த வ.உ.சிதம்பரனாரின் புதல்வர் வ.உ.சி.சுப்ரமணியம் மனம் நெகிழ்ந்து சிவாஜியை நேரிலேயே பார்த்து அவர் காலில் விழுந்து எழுந்தவராய் ,ŌŌஎங்கள் அப்பாவையே நேரில் பார்த்ததுபோல மிகப் பிரமாதமாக நடித்திருக்கிறீர்கள்ÕÕ என கண்ணீர் மல்க கூறினார்.

Ōகப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்Õ படம் தயாராகிக் கொண்டிருந்த காலத்தில் அதில் ஒரு காட்சியில் சிறை சென்று திரும்பி தன்னிடமுள்ள செல்வம் எல்லாம் இழந்து வ.உ.சி. வீட்டோடு அமர்ந்திருக்கும் நிலையில் சென்னையில் பாரதியார் காலமாகிவிட்ட செய்தி அவருக்கு வரும்.

அந்த செய்தியால் அதிர்ந்து போன வ.உ.சி., ŌŌஅய்யா பாரதி நீயும் என்னை விட்டுப் போய்விட்டாயா அய்யா!ÕÕ நான்தான் சோழன் நீர்தான் கம்பர் என்று என்னிடம் கேலி பேசுவீர்களே... அய்யா பாரதி நீயும் போய்விட்டாயா அய்யாÕÕ என்று கூறி வ.உ.சி. மனம் உருகி பேசி கண்ணீர் மல்கும் காட்சி படமாகியபோது, படத்தின் இயக்குனர் பி.ஆர்.பந்தலு மெய்மறந்து நின்றபடி, Ōகட்Õ சொல்ல மறந்து விட்டதாக தனது அனுபவத்தை கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

இயக்குனர் ஸ்ரீதர் Ōஎதிர்பாராததுÕ படத்தின் மூலம் சிவாஜியுடன் அறிமுகமானார். அது ஒரு வித்தியாசமான கதை.

சுந்தர் என்ற இளைஞன் சுமதி என்ற பெண்ணை காதலிக்கிறான். இந்நிலையில் வெளிநாட்டுப் படிப்பிற்கு புறப்பட்ட சுந்தர் விமான விபத்தில் சிக்கிக் கொள்கிறான். அந்த விபத்தில் அவன் மடிந்துவிட்டதாக ஊருக்குத் தகவல் விருகிறது. அந்தத் தகவலை அறிந்த சுமதி இனி திருமணமே வேண்டாம் என முடிவு செய்கிறாள்.

இந்நிலையில் சுந்தரின் வயதான தகப்பனார் வாழ்க்கையை வெறுத்து இருக்கும் நிலையில் அவருடைய கடைசி கால உதவிகளுக்காக ஒரு திருமணம் செய்து கொள்ள வேண்டும் என உறவினர் வற்புறுத்துகிறார்கள். வேண்டா வெறுப்பாக அவர் திருமணத்திற்கு சம்மதிக்கிறார்.

சுந்தர் காதலித்த சுமதியையே சுந்தரின் தந்தைக்கு பெண் கேட்கப் போகிறார்கள். திருமணமே வேண்டாம் என்றிருந்த சுமதி இந்தப் பெரியவரை மணப்பதன் மூலம் தாம்பத்ய வாழ்க்கை இல்லாமல் அவருக்கு சேவை செய்து வாழலாம் என திருமணத்திற்கு சம்மதிக்கிறாள். அந்த இளம்பெண்ணை மணந்த பெரியவர் முதல்நாள் இரவிலேயே தனது மகள் போல் காணப்படும் இந்தப் பெண்ணை நாம் தொடக்கூடாது என அவளை விட்டுப் பிரிந்துவிடுகிறார்.

இந்நிலையில் இறந்து போனதாகக் கருதப்படும் அவர் மகன் சுந்தர் கண்பார்வை இழந்து விட்டுக்குத் திரும்புகிறான். அவன் தன் காதலியின் நினைவு வந்து அவளைத் தேடி செல்கிறான். ஆனால் இன்னொருவரின் மனைவியாகிவிட்ட அவன் காதலியோ அவனை ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடியாமல் தவிக்கிறாள். சுந்தருக்கு தனது தகப்பனார்தான் தனது காதலியை மணந்தவர் என்பது தெரியாது.

ஒருநாள் மழை நேரம் காதலியை தேடிச்செல்லும் சுந்தர் உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட்டு அவள் கைகளை எட்டிப்பிடிக்கும் பொழுது அவள் ஆவேசமாக தன்னை விடுவித்துக் கொண்டு அவன் இரு கன்னங்களிலும் மாறிமாறி அடித்து தள்ளிவிட்டு ஓடுகிறாள்.

இந்தக் காட்சியில் எல்லாமே தத்ரூபமாக இருக்கவேண்டும் என விரும்பிய சிவாஜி தன் காதலியாக நடித்த பத்மினியிடம் தன்னை அடிக்கும் கட்டத்தில் உண்மையாகவே ஓங்கி ஓங்கி அடிக்குமாறு கேட்டுக் கொண்டார்.

முதலில் தயங்கிய பத்மினி பின்னர் நடிக்கும்பொழுது உணர்ச்சியில் உண்மையாகவே சிவாஜியை பளார் பளாரென்று அடித்து மிக அருமையாக நடித்தார். அந்தக் காட்சியில் மழையில் நனைந்திருக்கும் சிவாஜியை பத்மினி ஓங்கி ஓங்கி அடிக்கும் பொழுது கன்னங்களில் உள்ள ஈரம் ஓங்கி ஓங்கி விழும் அடியில் தண்ணீர் துளிகலாக தெறிக்கும்.

இந்தக் காட்சி அற்புதமாக படத்தில் அமைந்தது. ஆனால் உண்மையாகவே அடி விழுந்ததால் சிவாஜிக்கு அந்தப் படப்பிடிப்பு முடிந்து இரண்டு நாள் முகமெல்லாம் வீங்கி சங்கடப்பட்டார் என கேள்விப்பட்டிருக்கிறோம்.

இதே போல ஒரு சமயம் பம்பாயில் சில நாடகங்கள் நடிப்பதற்காக சென்ற சிவாஜி அங்கே ஒத்திகை பார்த்துக் கொண்ட போது தன்னுடன் நடிக்கும் நடிகர் தன் முகத்தில் காறித் துப்புவது போன்ற காட்சியில் உண்மையாகவே காறித் துப்பி நடிக்குமாறு சிவாஜி கேட்டுக் கொண்டார்.

அந்த நடிகரோ அதற்கு சம்மதிக்கமுடியாமல் ரொம்பவும் சங்கடப்பட்டார்.

ஆனால் சிவாஜியோ வற்புறுத்தி அவ்விதமே நடிக்கச் சொன்னார்.

அன்றிரவு நாடகத்தில் அந்தக் காட்சியில் அந்த நடிகர் சிவாஜி முகத்தில் உண்மையாகவெ காறி உமிழ்ந்து நடித்தார். அந்தக் காட்சி பெரிய பாராட்டைப் பெற்றது.

ஆனால் மறுநாள் சிவாஜி அந்த நடிகர் தங்கியிருந்த அறைக்கு வந்து, ŌŌடேய் இன்னைக்கு மட்டும் உங்க அண்ணி முகத்தில் பட்டுவிடாமல் ஒளிந்து கொள், உன்னை அவள் கோபமாக தேடிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறாள். நான் தான் உன்னை வற்புறுத்தி காறி உமிழ்ந்து நடிக்கச் சொன்னேன். ஆனால் அவளோ நீங்கள் சொன்னாலும் அவர் அப்படி நடிக்கலாமா? என்று கூறி உன்னைத்தான் தேடிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறாள். இன்று மட்டும் அவள் கண்ணில் பட்டுவிடாதேÕÕ என்று தன் மனைவிடமிருந்து அந்த நடிகரை காப்பாற்ற அன்று முழுவதும் சிவாஜி பெரிய பாடுபட்டார்.




ŌŌஉலகத்தில் இரண்டே இரண்டு நடிகருக்குத்தான் எல்லா வேஷமும் பொருந்தி வந்திருக்கிறது. ஒருவர் நமது சிவாஜி; இன்னொருவர் அலெக் கின்னஸ் என சிலர் கூறுவார்கள்.

அலெக் கின்னஸிடம் உள்ள சிறப்பு நடிக்க வேண்டிய பாத்திரத்திற்குரிய கச்சிதமான வேடப்பொருத்தம் அமைவதுடன் அந்தப் பாத்திரத்திற்கேற்ப வசனங்களை வித்தியாசமாக பேசுவார், ŌŌலாரன்ஸ் ஆப் அரேபியாÕ என்ற ஆங்கில படத்தில் அரபு மன்னர் வேடத்திலே தோன்றினார். ஒரு அரபுக்காரர் எப்படி ஆங்கிலம் பேசுவாரோ அதேபோல உச்சரிப்பை மாற்றி பேசினார் அலெக் கின்னஸ். அதுபோல ஹிட்லராகவும் அவர் நடித்து பிரமிக்க வைத்திருக்கிறார்ŌŌ எனக் கூறுவார்கள்.

நமது சிவாஜியிடம் உள்ள சிறப்பு கச்சிதமாக வேடப் பொருத்தம் அமைவதோடு பாத்திரத்திற்கேற்ப குரல்களை மாற்றுவதும், நடிப்பு பாவனைகளை மாற்றுவதும் அவருக்கு இயல்பாகவே வரும், Ōதிருவருட் செல்வர்Õ படத்தில் திருநாவுக்கரசர் வயோதிகர் வேடத்தில் வருகிற சிவாஜி, காஞ்சி பெரியவர் போல் உட்கார்வதும், பேசுவதும் கைகளை ஒடுக்கி வைப்பதும் அவர் நடித்த அந்த அற்புதமான காட்சிகள் நம்மை பிரமிக்க வைக்கின்றன. அதேபோல Ōஆண்டவன் கட்டளைÕ படத்தில் ஆறு மனமே ஆறு அந்த ஆண்டவன் கட்டளை ஆறு?ÕÕ என்ற பாடலில் விவேகானந்தர் மற்றும் ராமகிருஷ்ண பரமஹம்சர் போல வேடங்களை தாங்கி வருவார். அதில் பரமஹம்சர் மாதிரி அங்க அசைவுகளை அவர் கற்பனையில் வெளிப்படுத்திய விதம் நம்மை பிரமிக்க வைப்பதாய் இருக்கும்.

Thanks: vikatan
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abkhlabhi
5th September 2006, 05:35 PM
[tscii]VeerapaNdiya Kattabomman

- Saravanan writes:


“I wish to tell you how happy I am at setting foot on the sacred soil of Kayathar. It finds an honored place in the history of Free India because of its association with the immortal memory of Veerapandya Kattabomman. He was one of the first martyrs of India’s freedom struggle who was hanged by the British in the 18th century. I am sad that the name of Kattabomman and the heroic exploits of him and his brother are not very well known to the people in north India” (A.B. Vajpayee, then PM of India, July 5, 2000)

“The tendency is to refer to the 1857 battle as the First War of Independence. But long before the North woke up to British imperialism and fought the foreign rulers, here in this land, you had Veer Pandya Kattabomman.” (L.K.Advani, then Home Minister, May 27, 1997)

I guess these statements by these leaders have had little effect, for yesterday as I went to watch ‘The Rising’ here in Sharjah (it is being screened in not less than 5 halls in Sharjah alone!), the promos, the ads and write-ups in the local papers, the hoardings and the fliers all glorified the image of Mangal Pandey as the ‘India’s First Freedom Fighter’; the same tag-line has crept into reviews on the film in various websites.

None of my North Indian friends have heard of Veerapandiya Kattabomman who waged his war more than 50 year before 1857, while we have all read Mangal Pandey’s act as part of our history lessons. I confess I have never studied about Kattabomman while at school; though I notice with joy that he is part of the current day school curriculum, at least in TN:
http://www.tn.gov.in/schsyll/class08/class08HE.pdf.

True, I never had Kattabomman’s exploits as part of my school syllabus, yet I knew all about him. For Sivaji’s majestic portrayal of the hero made an indelible impact on me, as it would have surely made on anyone who has watched it. Even Advani, while speaking on Kattabomman had this to say: “I have not seen many Tamil films. But a long time back, I saw a Tamil film by the name Kattabomman. Sivaji Ganesan's portrayal of the local folk hero was superb!”



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Paanchalankurichi is a hamlet 18 kms from Thoothukkudi. It was here that Veerapandian, the 47th king of Paanchalankurichi was born on January 3rd, 1760 to Jagaveera Kattabomman and Aarmugathammal. The Kattabommans traced their ancestry to Bommu, who was a minister in King Jagaveera Pandian’s durbar in Azhagiya Veerapandiapuram, as Ottapidaram of today was known as. Bommu, or Gettibommu was he was called, had migrated from the Vijayanagar region of what is Andhra Pradesh today and was a fearless warrior as well. After Jagaveera Pandiyan died issueless, Bommu ascended the throne. Veerapandian became the king of Panchalankurichi on February 7, 1790, and ruled for 9 years. He opposed the East India Company’s tyranny openly, and waged a lone war, till he was hanged by the British on October 16th 1799.

It was the story of this brave chieftain that Sakthi Krishnaswami adapted for the stage for Sivaji Ganesan’s drama troupe in the late 50s, and Sivaji won accolades acting in the title role. B. R.Panthulu then expressed his desire to make a film on Kattabomman.

In 1957, the Central Government had celebrated with great fanfare, the centenary of the ‘First War of Independence’, and M.P.Sivagananam, the leader of thamizharasu kazhagam, lamented aloud history forgetting the bravery of Kattabomman.

When Panthulu and Sivaji set about making Kattbomman the movie, Sivagnanam was appointed the head of the committee set up for discussion and research on Kattabomman and his times. ‘varalaaRu, thirai amaippu aaraaichi kuzhu’ , as this committee was called had Sakthi Krishnaswami, Sivaji Ganesan, B.R.Panthulu, K.Singamuthu and P.A.Kumar as its members.

They came up with an engrossing story and worked on it to create a superb screenplay. Sakthi Krishnaswami penned the immortal dialogues. Panthulu picked the best artistes that Tamil cinema had to offer at that time, and spared no expense in making the movie.


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The Title Track

As you listen to the title track, take a look at the credits:

Padmini Pictures’ veerapaaNdiya kattabomman

Actors:

Sivaji Ganesan- Kattabomman
S. Varalakshmi- Jakkamma
Gemini Ganesh- Vellayathevan
Padmini- Vellayamma
OAK. Thevar- Oomaithurai
Ragini- Sundaravadivu
M.R.Santhanam- Thaanathipathi Pillai
A.Karunanidhi- Sundaralingam
T.P.Muthulakshmi- Kamkshi
V.K.Ramaswami- Ettappan
‘kuladeivaam’ Rajagopal- Kariappan
Tambaram Lalitha- Valli
‘Jaavar’ Seetharaman- Bannerman
Parthiban- W.C.Jackson
Baby Kanchana- Meena

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Lyrics: Ku.Ma.Balasubramaniam
Music: G.Ramanathan
Costumes: M.G.Naidu
Choreography: Hiralal, Gopalakrishnan & Madhavan
Art: Ganga
Editing: R.Devanarayanan
Cinematography: W.R.Subbarao & Karnan
Produced & Directed by B.R.Panthulu

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Circa the last decade of the 18th century. Finding himself irredeemably indebted to the East India Company, the Nawab of Arcot made over to them his traditional right to collect taxes from the Poligars (paaLayakkarargaL / feudal chieftains). Seizing this opportunity, the Company started fleecing the hapless chieftains under the guise of collecting taxes. Kattabomman of Paanchalankurichi was one chieftain who refused staunchly to bow to the threats of the Company.



Introduction

One day, as Kattabomman is completing his daily prayers to Lord Muruga, there is a commotion outside his palace. He comes out, accompanied by his brother Oomaithurai, his fearless commander Vellayathevan and the trusted minister Thaanavathi Sivasubramaniam Pillai. There he finds his subjects outraged at being victimized by a gang of daring dacoits. Kattabomman assures them that he would put an end to these atrocities soon, and the relieved crowd disperses.

Kattabomman and his trusted men set out in disguise to round up the dacoits. Kattabomman is dressed as a prosperous trader, and Sundaralingam is masquerading as a newly wed woman, bedecked with jewels. As the group travels along a lonely path, Kattabomman and Sundaralingam singing this song, the gang of the dacoits perched atop the tall trees, watch them……


maattuvaNdi pootikittu (TMS & T.V.Rathinam)

As the song comes to a close, the dacoits, happy at this easy prey, surround the travelers. But they are in for a rude shock, for in the place of the terrified weaklings that they expected, they are facing some of the best soldiers of the territory. The dacoits are soon overpowered in the pitched battle. When they recognize Kattabomman, they fall at his feet and beg for forgiveness. They reveal that they have been employed by the British to create discontent and unrest in Paanchalankurichi. Kattabomman magnanimously forgives them, and in gratitude, they further reveal that Ettappa Naicker, the chieftain of Ettayapuram has become hand in glove with the Collector.

The scene shifts to the Collector’s residence, where Ettappan is being loaded with drink. And in his drunken stupor, he is persuaded to turn against Kattabomman.

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Kattabomman’s assembly gathers for its customary sitting. Kattabomman enters the hall with characteristic majesty.

seermEvum paanchi nagar (V.T.Rajagopal & V.N.Sundaram)

An envoy of the Company is announced. He is ushered in. Then…..



Dialogue 1 (ettapan’s visit)

Thoroughly humiliated, Ettappan beats a hasty retreat. He orders his sidekick Kariappan to stay on in Paanchalankurichi and act as his spy and ferret information.

* * * *

In Saayalkudi there lives a girl called Vellayamma, who has a fierce bull. The bull has a terrible name in those parts for his temper and strength. Here is Vellayamma singing…

anjaatha singam en kaaLai (P.Suseela)

She has taken a vow that if at all she marries, it would only be that brave youth who would tame her bull. The man of her dreams comes soon enough. In a local festivity watched by Kattabomman and his deputies, her bull is paraded, but remains unvanquished by the young men who make an attempt. Goaded by Vellayamma’s beauty and her arrogant pose, Vellayathevan accepts the challenge. After a long, thrilling bout, he overpowers Vellayamma’s bull.

Vellayamma falls in love with the daring commander. Her friend Kamakshi brings her the tidings that Vellayathevan is suffering from the pain of his bruises. Vellayamma wants to go to him immediately, but is suddenly bashful. Kamakshi and Sundaralingam, who are already a pair, arrange things in such a way that Vellayamma and Kamakshi go dressed as doctors to treat Vellayathevan. The sly Sundaralingam has already hinted to Vellayathevan who the doctor actually is. After a few minutes of pretences on either side, the lovers unite…..

* * * *

The Collector meets Kattabomman and demands that he pay up his tax arrears. Kattabomman shakes in anger, his reply: “if you want money, request for a loan, or beg for alms, but don’t you dare make any demands!” The Collector cites the Arcot Nawab’s granting them this right, but Kattabomman says he had never accepted the Nawab’s sovereignty in the first place. He drives the Collector away with the roar, “ ithu singangaL viLayaadum bhoomi! garjanaigaL olikkum kaadu! ingu narigaL nadamaada mudiyaathu!”

Wild at Kattabomman’s effrontery, the Collector fumes and frets in frustration. Ettappan consoles him, and assures him of the support of other cowardly chieftains like Oothumalaiyaan, Sivagiri Ilaiyavan and Thalaivan Kottaiyan. They plan to besmirch the fair name of Kattabomman throughout the south, by spreading canards that he was a murderer and thief.

Meanwhile, two pairs of lovers, Sundaralingam and Kamakshi, and the spy Kariappan and his beloved Valli separately steal a moment for fun and frolic, along the riverbank…

aathukuLLE oothu vetti (Trichy Loganathan, A.G.Ratnamala, K.Jamunarani)

* * * *

Nightfall. In his chamber, Kattabomman is donning his usual disguise for setting out on his nightly rounds to ensure law and order in his town. As he is taking leave of his wife Jakkamma, little Meena, the daughter of Oomaithurai comes running to him. Her mother Sundaravadivu comes chasing her. She explains to them that Meena wouldn’t sleep and was insistent that she should have a chat with her beloved periyappa.



Meena looks wonderingly at Kattabomman’s disguise. He explains that he is going out catch enemies and spies, and takes leave of them.

Meanwhile, Vellayamma and Vellayathevan delight in a romantic rendezvous in the moonlit night. The dazzling rays of the moon seem to fuel their passion, and they sing of the delicious ache of love……



inbam pongum vennila (PBS & PS)

They are lost in a trance and they become oblivious to their surroundings. A snake reaching out to them from an overhead branch is about to strike, when Kattabomman who is passing by perceives the danger, and hits out at the snake. The lovers look at him chastened, and he puts them at ease by promising to get them married at the earliest.

And he keeps his promise too.

* * * *

Kariappan, the cunning sidekick of Ettappan, has not been idle all this while. He has been busy trying to meet someone in Kattabomman’s inner circle who would be willing to part with precious information for a price. One of Oomaithurai’s men, Muthukaruppan, meets up with him, and pretends to be willing to be bribed, just to find out more about Kariappan and his master. But Kattabomman, in one of his usual nocturnal rounds, catches them in conversation, and accosts them angrily. In the melee, Kariappan makes good his escape and Kattabomman whips Muthukaruppan in fury. Muthukaruppan, not recognizing Kattabomman, retorts that he would complain to his master Oomaithurai. Kattbomman is shocked and puzzled at the mention of his brother’s name.

The mystery is unravelled soon enough. The next morning, as the assembly commences, Oomaithurai speaks of how one of his men was lashed mistakenly by a spy who was under their employment. Muthukaruppan reveals all that transpired. Oomaithurai says that they should find the spy and punish him. Kattabomman is filled with shame at his hasty action, and assures Oomaithurai that he knows the spy and will bring him to the assembly.

He retires to his chamber, dons his disguise again, and pledging Sundaralingam to silence, issues orders to drag him to the assembly. There Muthukaruppan recognizes the disguised Kattabomman as the stranger who flogged him, and as a punishment, starts whipping him savagely. Vellayathevan, who is just entering the hall, recognizes Kattabomman at once. Horrified at what is happening, he rushes to Kattabomman and pushes Muthukaruppan aside. The hall is in a shocked silence as Kattabomman removes his disguise. He smiles at the remorseful Oomaithurai, and tells him that everyone, without exception, is equal before the law.

Later, Jakkamma sobs as she nurses her husband’s whip torn body. Little Meena comes running and is distressed at this piteous sight. She asks her periamma to sing, so that she could dance, and her periappa would forget his pain and fall asleep. Jakkamma brushes aside her tears, and sings…

singara kaNNE (S.Varalakshmi)

The soothing song and the child’s dance fill Kattbomman’s troubled heart with tranquility, and even his physical pain seems to recede, as he falls into a gentle slumber.

However, minister Pillai comes with the information just then that Captain Davison of Tuticorin has come calling. Davison was one Englishman whom Kattabomman held in high regard, and so he gets up immediately to meet the visitor.

Even as the two old friends exchange pleasantries, an emissary of the Collector is announced in. He brings a missive dated July 18th 1798, from W.C.Jackson, the new Collector. Jackson writes that all the poligars except Kattabomman have come and met him, and asks Kattabomman to meet him at Palayamkottai. Kattabomman and his aides are in no mood to oblige. But the gentle Davison suggests that no harm could come out of the meeting, and advises Kattabomman not to antagonize Jackson unnecessarily. Kattbomman accepts these wise words of counsel, and agrees to go to Palayamkottai and meet Jackson.

* * * *

Jackson gets the information of Kattabomman preparing to travel to meet him, and shares this news with Ettappan. Nervous at the thought of meeting Kattabomman, Ettappan flees to Ettayapuram, and Jackson moves himself hurriedly to Kutralam and then to Ramanathapuram.

Kattabomman sets out on the journey, marching with his brave men. As the proud parade passes by singing this song of valour, admiring men and women throng the roadside..

kaRantha paalayum (TMS & chorus)

(‘musalum naaiyai kadithidumaam vegu muNaiyuLLa paanchaala naatinilE’ goes a line in the song, referring to a famous incident of the past. Legend has it while hunting in the forests of Salikulam, Gettibommu spied a rabbit chasing seven hounds. The incredible sight instilled in him the belief that the land possessed powers of great courage and he built his magnificent fort at that very spot and called it Paanchalankurichi)

* * * *

After 23 days of chasing Jackson from place to place, they reach Ramanathapuram. Learning that Jackson was camping at ‘Ramalinga Vialsam’, Kattbomman goes to meet him. Jackson keeps his men alert, and orders all other chairs to be taken away. He sits arrogantly on the only chair in the room and greets Kattabomman insolently. Kattabomman matches him word for word in insolence, and when in a heated moment Jackson gets up to emphasize a point, Kattabomman, with a triumphant smile, sits on the chair quickly! The infuriated Jackson then signals for another chair, and the verbal exchanges continue…

Dialogue 2 ( 23 naatkaLukku piRagu)



At one stage Jackson catches Kattabomman and orders his men to arrest him.

Kattabomman wards them off and fights with them. As he overpowers one man after another, fighting adroitly, he reaches the palace entrance. His men then notice their leader in peril and come rushing with war cries. In the scuffle that follows, Vellayathevan saves Kattabomman and also manages to kill Captain Clarke, who was heading the attack. Kattabomman and his men make good their escape, but minister Pillai is caught by the British.

However, Captain Davison writes to the top officials of the Company, speaking strongly for Kattabomman, and an independent commission of enquiry into the incident reveals that it was Jackson who was at fault. Pillai is released, while Jackson is sent back to England in disgrace.

* * * *

Katatbomman lauds Vellayathevan’s courage, and confers on him the title ‘bahadur’. The women too are present, and Sundaravadivu informs the gathering the happy news that Vellayamma is soon to become a mother.

The women then drive the men out as they want to spend time in peace and quiet. The men move out grumbling at this unfair treatment.

The three women tease each other, and then start a game of riddles…each of them taking turns in quizzing the other two…

takku takku (S.Varalakshmi, A.P.Komala, PS)

The three men, meanwhile, have all returned surreptitiously to the chamber and watch the proceedings amusedly. They show themselves in the end, and laughter and cheerful banter fill the room…

* * * *

This lull comes to an end soon, and Thaanavathi Pillai is the inadvertent cause for the renewed tension. Learning that precious grains were being hoarded in a granary at Srivaikuntam, Pillai had broke open the granary and had looted the store with the help of his armed men. Taking strong offence to his act, the new Collector dashes off an angry letter of protest. Kattabomman rebukes his errant minister, but refuses to give him up to the British. The shamefaced Pillai offers himself to the British emissary, but Kattabomman sends the emissary away, offering money and grains in compensation.

* * * *

Ettappan welcomes the new official, Major John Bannerman, and two plot together to put an end to Kattabomman. Hearing of this development, Kattabomman sends Sundaraligam to spy on the two. Sundaralingam enters the Collector’s residence, and overpowering an orderly, dons his clothes in disguise. Bannerman and Ettappan watch the Company officers and their women dancing….

Western Music

Sundaralingam serves drinks to Bannerman and Ettappan, and overhears them planning to attack Paanchalankurichi that very night, as most of the Paanchalankurichi residents would have gone to Thiruchendhur to attend the temple festivity.

* * * *

In Paanchalankurichi, Kattabomman and Jakkamma offer prayers to Lord Muruga, and sing to Him, pleading for the peace and prosperity of their subjects..

vetRi vadivelanE (V.N.Sundaram & S.Varalakshmi)

As the song ends, Sundaralingam comes rushing in with the dreadful news. Kattabomman is unperturbed, and orders that the war be declared, and orders the return of their men from Thiruchendhur.

Dialogue 3 (pOR mursu olikattum)

The brave men respond to the urgent summons of their beloved king, and hasten back to Paanchalankurichi. Sons take leave of their mothers, husbands take leave of their wives, fathers take leave of their little ones…

Vellayathevan comes to take leave of his wife. Vellayamma who has just then woken up with a start from a nightmare, pleads with him not to go to war just then. Shocked at his brave Vellayamma’s now cowardly behaviour, Vellayathevan shakes off her clutches. She then sings of the ominous scenes that she witnessed in her dream…

pOgaathE pOgaathE en kaNavaa ( A.G.Ratnamala)

Vellayathevan doesn’t pay heed to her remonstrance, and rushes out to the warfront.

Oomaithurai takes leave of Sundaravadivu. The courageous Jakkamma rubs her finger on Kattabomman’s sword, and smears the blood on his forehead…

Dialogue 4 (veera vaanilE)

Meanwhile, Major Bannerman and his army have reached the fort gates. Bannerman laughs and declares that the fort is “chicken feed for his cannons!”. Dubash Ramalinga Mudaliar goes in and tries to make Kattabomman see reason, telling him that he would be no match for the British gunpowder. Kattabomman waves his sword in the air and laughs at the might of the cannons.

The battle begins in earnest. Kattabomman’s men fight with valour. Bannerman’s cannons succeed in pulling down the southern wall of the fort. Vellayathevan puts up a stiff resistance and succeeds in repulsing the British advance. His men also manage to kill Lieutenant Collins who was heading the attack. But as Vellayathevan stands atop the garrison watching, with pride, the British retreat, a stray bullet from a British soldiers finds its mark. The brave commander falls, and Kattabomman’s camp is filled with gloom.

Vellayamma overhears the soldiers talking, and seeing the man whose bullet killed her husband, she stabs him and runs out. Wailing at her loss, she searches for her husband’s mortal remains. She finds Kattabomman cradling Vellayathevan’s lifeless body in his arms and lamenting his mighty loss. Vellayamma screams with sorrow, and falls down dead by her husband’s side.

Paanchalankurichi prays for Kattabomman’s success. Will Jakkamma, the presiding deity listen?

jakamma ( Seergazhi Govindarajan & Chorus)

The battle continues the next day. As they suffer continuous losses, it is becoming increasingly apparent that they cannot face the deadly might of the cannons. The injured Kattabomman and his remaining aides leave the fort and escape, even as Major Bannerman enters the fort in victory.

Dialogue 5 (pidippattathE)

Kattabomman and his men find refuge in Rajagopal Naicker’s Kolarpatti Palace. However, soon enough, they get the information that the British have discovered their hideout. Kattabomman regrets leaving his fort and his people. Minister Pillai persuades them to escape, and donning Kattabomman’s apparel, he leads the British on a false trail. When they get to find out that he is not Kattabomman, Pillai is executed ruthlessly and his head perched on a bamboo pole is displayed in Paachalankurichi.

Meanwhile, Kattabomman and Oomaithurai hide in the Thirukalambur forests in Pudukkottai. Hearing this, Collector Rushington orders the Pudukkottai ruler Vijaya Raghunatha Thondaimaan to search for Kattabomman and arrest him. Afraid of disobeying the British, Thondaiman orders the capture of Kattabomman. His general Vellaiyan Servai combs the forests and comes upon Kattabomman and Oomaithurai at last. He is handcuffed and taken to Major Bannerman. Even in his disheveled, chained self, Kattabomman is a awe-inspiring sight, and the chieftains, including Ettappan, who are seated, rise in fear and respect…

Dialogue 6 (yaarappa neengal?)
Bannerman orders that Kattabomman be hanged. And on October 16, 1799, Kattabomman is led to a roadside Tamarind tree in Kayatharu….

Dialogue 7 (vilagi pongaL)
And with those brave words, Kattabomman meets his end, as his grief-stricken people watch in helpless silence.

veerathin chinnamE (Seergazhi Govindarajan)
Epilogue

* * * *

VeerapaaNdiya kattabomman, the movie, was a runaway hit and was screened to full houses even after 25 weeks. Every re-release of the film proved to be a crowd-puller too.

Panthulu went to London to get the Techni-Colour prints made. The editing and camerawork were outstanding. Grand sets and riveting war sequences made the film a visual treat. G.Ramanathan’s songs, especially S.Varalakshmi’s lilting ‘singara kaNNE’ became chart-busters. Sakthi Krishnaswami’s dialogues were learned by-heart and recited in every household. Panthulu’s choice of actors was brilliant- Gemini Ganesh, Padmini, Varalakshmi and OAK Thevar sizzled on screen in their well-etched roles.
And as for Sivaji, suffice to say that he immortalized the glory of Kattabomman by his powerful performance. To many of us, the very mention of Kattabomman would bring to mind only the image of Sivaji spewing valiant words of defiance. The movie was filled with unforgettable moments of fantastic performances… Sivaji consoling an old woman whose son had met a brave death, Padmini and Ragini dancing in perfect, spellbinding unison in the song ‘takku takku’, Varalakshmi sending Sivaji to battle, demanding that he bring scores of severed heads of the enemies, A.Karunanidhi dying while trying to pull down the Union Jack….

The film won critical acclaim at the Afro-Asian Film Festival held at Cairo. Sivaji Ganesan and G.Ramanathan won individual awards for their work in the film.
In an interview in his last days, when asked about the award he cherished most, Sivaji had this to say: “I would say that the award I got for my role in Veerapandiya Kattabomman at the Afro-Asian Festival is very dear to my heart. Maybe it is because the award was the first in my career. I treasure it very much to this day.”
The film must have meant a lot to Sivaji, for it was after watching kattabomman’s story being enacted in a therukoothu as a child, that Sivaji vowed that he would become an actor and play kattbomman’s role one day! In later years, Sivaji even erected a statue of Kattabomman at Kayatharu as a mark of respect to the great chieftain.

However, the film was not without its share of controversies. Denouncing the glorification of Kattabomman, Thamizhvaanan wrote “kattabomman telungan! koLLaikkaran! avanukku munbE pulithEvan engiRa veera maRavan pOraadinaan!”

Kannadasan claimed that the Maruthu brothers were the true sons of the soil who raised their voice against the British. And to bolster his claim, he set about making the movie ‘sivagangai seemai’. veerapaNdiya kattabomman was released on May 6, 1959, and sivagangai seemai was released on May 19, 1959.

Though the stories surrounding Kattabomman are many, the movie, for most part, ran true to the life and times of Kattabomman as documented in well-researched books. ‘National Movement in Tamil Nadu- Agitational Politics and State Coercion’by N.Rajendran, ‘South Indian Rebellion’ & ‘History of Madurai (1736-1801), both by Professor K.Rajayaan, and ‘Book on Military Reminiscences’ by Colonel James Welsh all narrate the story of Kattabomman. In fact Rajayyan even quotes a letter written by Major Bannerman “it may not be amiss here to observe that the manner and behaviour of the Poligar during the whole time of his being before those who were assembled yesterday at the examination which took place were undaunted and supercilious. He frequently eyed the Etiapore Poligar (Poligar of Ettayapuram), who had been so active in attempting to secure his person, and the poligar of Shevighergy with an appearance of indignant contempt and when he went out to be executed, he walked with a firm and daring air and cast looks of sullen contempt on the poligars to his right and left as he passed” (Major John Bannerman, letter to the Madras Government dated October 17th 1799)

The rich folk music repertoire of the south has many songs that narrate the valour of Kattabomman.

* * * *

The TN Government has propagated the memory of Kattabomman by erecting (in 1974) a memorial fort in his honour in Paanchalankurichi. Sri Devi Jakkammal Temple, the hereditary Goddess of Kattabomman, is located near the fort.



Inside the fort, a statue of veerapaNdiya kattabomman has been installed.


There are seven arches installed on the road leading from Kurukkusalai to the Fort via Ottapidaram in honour of the prominent chieftains of Kattabomman and there is also an arch in honour of the traditional Goddess Jakkamma.

To observe the bicentenary on 16th October 1999 of Kattabomman’s hanging, the Central Government brought out a postal stamp in his honour.


* * *

abkhlabhi
5th September 2006, 06:35 PM
[tscii]www.hindu.com/mag/2004/07/11/stories/2004071100400500.htm

REMINISCENCE

An actor and a gentleman

Sivaji Ganesan was well known as one of India's best actors but what was the man like? SABITA RADHAKRISHNA profiles the thespian.






Single minded pursuit of his goals ... in "Veerapandiya Kattaboman".

A SEVEN-year-old boy watched the "Veerapandya Kattabomman" nadagam in fascinated silence. He was hoisted on stage to make an appearance as a British soldier. He enjoyed the stage and savoured the applause. Once home, his father, a freedom fighter, thrashed him mercilessly. How could he play the role of an "enemy"? How dared he preen himself on stage! Something broke in the little boy's psyche. What was wrong in being an actor and fending for himself? It would mean one mouth less to feed.

Ganesa joined the Madurai Shri Bala Gana Sabha on the pretext that he was an orphan, aware that his parents would never permit him to leave home, much less join theatre. This young boy became the legendary Sivaji Ganesan, who played the role of "Veerapandiya Kattabomman" in the film of the same name.

Sivaji's growth as an actor was meteoric and phenomenal thanks to single minded pursuit of his goal despite the most adverse of circumstances. His dedication to the theatre, passion, hard work and a grim determination to reach the heights of excellence made him one of the greatest actors in his lifetime with a career span of 65 years and nearly 300 films and innumerable plays to his credit.

The training at the gurukul was rigorous beginning with early bath and then prayers. Training in music and dance followed, and the next session involved learning the dialogues for the night performance. "We did not get one square meal in a day. Though we led an austere life, we had to talk loudly and act like kings on stage... " In Periyakulam, a kindly soul sent the boys a bag of rice. One of them accidentally poured kerosene on the bag. They were so hungry that they washed the rice with soap and ate it. The boys were not permitted to go home in years and letters were censored. They would find centipedes in the shirts, red ants in the wigs and the place was rife with snakes and scorpions. However daunting this may have been, young Ganesan's dogged determination to make it big one day kept him from being resentful or rebellious. He never once forgot a good deed done to him and venerated those who were instrumental in promoting his career.





...with his wife Kamala.

Annadurai wrote a play "Sivaji Kanda Hindu Rajyam" and MGR, who was supposed to play the lead role, backed out with hardly a week left. When the 17-year-old Ganesan rattled off the dialogue in one go, he bagged the coveted lead. Periyar who saw the play announced that in future the young actor would be known as Sivaji Ganesan.

Having suffered abject poverty, he saw to it that his family was well provided for, and took his siblings and their children under his wing, once he began earning well. Often, one who has suffered intense hardship and has abysmal poverty clutches at money when it flows in. But Sivaji, on the other hand, became a great philanthropist. There is no record of how much money he gave to people as it was always done quietly. "Parasakti" catapulted him into fame and fortune. After his foray into films, Sivaji started a drama company just so his colleagues in theatre should not face unemployment. He began to work relentlessly unmindful of his health.

His family life suffered. He worked three shifts a day, often moving from one studio to another hardly going home. "I do not know how my children grew up. They received all the love and attention from their mother Kamala and my brother Shanmugham." Marrying Kamala was the best thing that happened to him and he has often said that she was his greatest asset. Though Sivaji was not actively involved in politics, he supported the ideologies of the leaders he loved, and would always be ready with donations he had collected for a good cause. M. Karunanidhi, whom he considered a brilliant playwright, was a dear childhood playmate. Annadurai and Periyar loved him. Sivaji was so close to M.G. Ramachandran that he visited him in the U.S. when the latter was very ill. Politics was a bitter pill to swallow and time and again, the actor suffered the crushing disappointment of being let down by the very friends that he sought to support. After many such disappointments, he realised the wisdom of moving away from the political arena.

Intensely patriotic, Sivaji Ganesan was quoted as saying that the most valued of his awards were the Padma Shri and the Padma Bhushan where the Government of India recognised his contribution as a good citizen. Much later than he deserved he received the Dada Phalke Saheb Award. The Chevalier award from the French Government in 1995 in the last phase of his life made the Indians sit up and notice his achievements once more.

Overwork and a hard life took its toll and, on July 21, 2001, the colossus passed on. The world and his family wept, but those who loved him knew that it was not an end but a beginning — for all those children who are being educated with his legacy of love.

abkhlabhi
5th September 2006, 06:48 PM
When God created Villupuram Chinnaiah Ganesan, he probably made him for only one thing - acting.

For, Chinnaiah Ganesan, later to be known as `Sivaji` Ganesan, was to acting what Michaelangelo was for painting, Mozart for music and Bradman for cricket.

Acting was not what he did for a livelihood, it was life itself for him.

"I cannot imagine what I would I have been if I had not made it as an actor," he was to confess later to one of his interviewers.

God perhaps threw away the mould after creating him. Till his last, Sivaji was sui eneris.


In fact, as he himself said: "I climbed the Everest in the first movie itself".

From then on, there was no looking back. He acted in almost all kinds of genres, in all kind of roles with all kinds of shades.

"His oevre is mind-boggling. There is no single actor in the world who has had so much variety to offer," Kamal Hassan used to say.

Twentieth Century Fox bought over the telecasting rights of one of his best known films _ `Thillana Mohanambal` (1968) and The Washington Post hailed him as India`s Clark Gable!

saradhaa_sn
5th September 2006, 07:34 PM
வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன் திரைப்படத்தை நேரில் பார்த்துக்கொண்டு இருப்பது போன்ற அற்புதமான உண*ர்வு, இந்த கட்டுரையை படிக்கும்போது ஏற்படுகிறது. என்ன அற்புதமான ஆய்வுக் கட்டுரை.

கட்டபொம்மன் திரைப்படத்தின் கதை சும்மா ஏனோதானோ என்று கற்பனை கலந்து எழுதப்பட்டதில்லை. அதற்காக திரு ம.பொ.சி. தலைமையில் ஒரு குழு அமைக்கப்பட்டு, முழுக்க, முழுக்க, தீர்க்கமாக ஆராய்ந்து திரை வடிவம் கொடுக்கப்பட்டது.

உதாரணமாக...

வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன் கிளைமாக்ஸை தொடுவதற்கு முன்னால்,

மேஜ*ர் பான*ர்மென், கட்டபொம்மன் தூக்கிலிடப் பட்டது பற்றி தன்னுடைய டைரியில் என்ன எழுதியிருந்தார் என்று பார்ப்போம் (இந்த டைரி இன்னும் லண்டன் மியூஸியத்தில் உள்ளது).

பான*ர்மென் எழுதுகிறார்:

"கட்டபொம்மனுக்கு தூக்கு தண்டனை என்று தீர்ப்பு சொல்லி, அங்கிருந்த மரத்தில் தூக்கிலிட உத்த*ரவிட்டேனே தவிர, ஒரு ஏகாதிபத்தியத்தையே எதிர்த்து நின்ற அந்த மாவீரன் தூக்கிலிடப்படுவதைப் பார்க்கும் துணிவு எனக்கில்லை. அதனால் அங்கிருந்து வெளியேறி விட்டேன். பின்ன*ர் அங்கு என்ன நடந்தது என்பதை என் நண்ப*ர்கள் வாயிலாக தெரிந்து கொண்டேன். நண்ப*ர்கள் சொன்னார்கள் 'கட்டபொம்மன் தூக்குமேடைக்கு செல்லும் வழி நெடுகிலும் மக்கள் பெரும் கூட்டமாக நின்றிருந்தன*ர். கட்டபொம்மன் நடந்து சென்றபோது இருபக்கமும் நின்றிருந்த மக்களை திரும்பி திரும்பி பார்த்தபடிசென்றான். அவன் கண்கள் நெருப்பை உமிழ்ந்தவாறு இருந்தன. முகத்தில் ஏதோ ஒரு சோகமும் ஏமாற்றமும் பிரதிபலித்தன. தூக்குத் தண்டனை நிறைவேற்றப் போகும்போதுகூட, தன்னுடன் பிடிபட்ட தன்னுடைய தம்பியை காண விரும்பினான். அவன் தூக்கிலிடப் பட்டபோது மக்களின் ம*ரண ஓலம் அந்த இடத்தையே உலுக்கியது' இவ்வாறு நண்ப*ர்கள் கூறினார்கள்"

இதுதான் மேஜ*ர் பானமென் தன்னுடைய டைரியில் குறிப்பிட்டிருந்தது.

இப்போது அப்படியே 'கட்டபொம்மன்' கிளைமாக்ஸ் காட்சிக்கு வாருங்கள். அந்தக் காட்சி வ*ரிக்கு வ*ரி அப்படியே பான*ர்மெனின் கூற்றை பிரதிபலிக்கவில்லையா?. அப்படியென்றால் காட்சிகள் ஒவ்வொன்றும் எவ்வளவு தத்ரூபமாக கையாளப்பட்டு இருக்கின்றன என்பதை நமக்கு காட்டுகிறது.

Jilaba
6th September 2006, 08:13 PM
Wow...

Groucho, Abkhlabhi, Saradha... Summa pugundhu kalakuReenga...

Howmuch rare informations from Groucho...

Verygood analysis about VP Kattabomman, by Abkhlabhi...

Very rare information about Major Banerman's diary by Saradha mdm...

Unmaiyil ungaLaiyellAm pArththAl enakku romba poRAmaiyA irukku.
ennAl idhu pOla ezutha mudiyalaiyEnnu...

We are lucky to have Shivaji with us..
Shivaji is lucky to have fans like you...

Hats off....

groucho070
7th September 2006, 10:37 AM
Jilaba,

You must have mistaken me for Murali-sar. He, Saradha mdm, Joe provides plenty of facts. I just do commentary from a fan point of view.

Abhkhlabi, that's one hell of a contribution. Where did you get it?

And Saradha mdm is right. That incident is there, every frame of the scene.

Jilaba
7th September 2006, 11:51 AM
Sorry Mr. Groucho...

Yes, I must add that two names (Mr. Murali Srinivas and Mr. Joe) in the first.

When you all are describing about a movie, a song or a scene, suddenly I want to watch it again.

Such a kind of attractive analysis and very rare informations. Comparing to the tasks which film makers had in past to make a movie perfect, the present movies are........... (vEndAm, edhukku vambu).

joe
7th September 2006, 12:33 PM
Groucho,
Here is the link

http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=8114&sid=7381504d23945fd6b0d677bc2fc6b849

There are video clippings of famous scenes from VPK

joe
7th September 2006, 12:59 PM
Jilaba,
your location :Country of Vijay ..means what? Fiji?

abkhlabhi
7th September 2006, 03:00 PM
I have created on NT Folder and saved all the information and records on NT, collected from available books, from friends and download from net, etc., Ennka Kidaitha information Ungallukum Therivavendum entru - I am sending. In fact, most of you all already known all these information early itself. I am too late. Some opinions expressed by me is my own and not others.

abkhlabhi
7th September 2006, 03:01 PM
I have created on NT Folder and saved all the information and records on NT and PHOTOS, NT film reviews, etc., collected from available books, from friends and download from net, etc., Ennka Kidaitha information Ungallukum Therivavendum entru - I am sending. In fact, most of you all already known all these information early itself. I am too late.

groucho070
7th September 2006, 03:17 PM
Joe, your avatar this time should be circa 1962/3. Brando was doing The Ugly American in that get-up.

joe
8th September 2006, 10:52 AM
Joe, your avatar this time should be circa 1962/3. Brando was doing The Ugly American in that get-up.

Thanks for the info .Yes,that is the time NT was invited by US govt.He went there and met many hollywood legends and he was honoured by appointed as Mayor of a city (is it nayagara?)for a day.

Jilaba
8th September 2006, 12:23 PM
Thanks for the info .Yes,that is the time NT was invited by US govt.He went there and met many hollywood legends and he was honoured by appointed as Mayor of a city (is it nayagara?)for a day.

Yes, you are correct.

NT was honoured as "Oneday Mayor of Niagra" with the Golden Key of the city.

Only one another Indian got this honour is Jawaharlal Nehru.

joe
12th September 2006, 01:12 PM
நாட்டிய மேதையும் நடிகர் திலகமும்!
சின்னராசு
புரட்சித் தலைவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு கலையுலகில் ஒரு நீங்காத மனக்குறை இருந்தது. இரண்டு குறிப்பிட்ட கதாபாத்திரங்களில் தான் நடிக்க வேண்டும் என்ற விருப்பம் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு அதிகமாக இருந்த நிலையில் அந்த இரண்டு வாய்ப்புகள் தவறிவிட்டதை அவர் முதல்வரான பின்னர் கட்சி நண்பர்களோடு சாவகாசமாக பேசிக் கொண்டிருந்தபோது கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

அந்த கதாபாத்திரங்கள்தான் சத்ரபதி சிவாஜியும், கர்ணனும் ஆகும்.

Ōசிவாஜி கண்ட இந்து சாம்ராஜ்யம்Õ அல்லது Ōசந்திரமோகன்Õ என்ற பெயரில் அறிஞர் அண்ணா நாடகம் எழுதிய காலத்தில் அதில் வரும் முக்கிய பாத்திரமான ŌசிவாஜிÕ வேடத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடிக்க வேண்டுமென விரும்பி அவர் அழைக்கப்பட்டிருந்தார். ஆனால் சில சூழ்நிலைகளின் காரணமாக எம்.ஜி.ஆர். அந்த வேடத்தில் நடிக்க முடியாமல் போனதைக் குறித்து இன்றளவும் தன் மனதிலே வேதனையிருக்கிறது என எம்.ஜி.ஆர். குறிப்பிட்டிருக்கிறார்.


அதுபோல Ōகர்ணன்Õ வேடத்தில் திரைப்படத்தில் நடிக்கிற விருப்பம் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு இருந்ததாம். ஏற்கனவே அர்ஜுனன் வேடத்தில் Ōஅபிமன்யுÕ படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்திருக்கிறார். கர்ணன் வேடத்தில் நடிக்கும் அவா இருந்தும் அதற்கு சந்தர்ப்பம் இல்லாமல் போனது எம்.ஜி.ஆர். மனதில் நீங்காத கவலையாக உள்ளதையும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். வெளிப்படுத்தியுள்ளார்.

எம்.ஜி.ஆர். முதல்வராக இருந்த காலத்தில் மதுரை மாவட்டத்தில் சுற்றுப்பயணம் மேற்கொள்ள வந்தபோது, மதுரையிலுள்ள அரசினர் விடுதியில் ஓய்வாக தங்கியிருந்த போது இந்த விஷயங்களை எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நண்பர்களிடம் மனம் திறந்து பேசியிருக்கிறார்.

ŌŌஇந்த இரண்டு வாய்ப்புமே தம்பி கணேசனுக்கு கிடைத்தது. அதை அவர் சிறப்பாகவும் செய்தார்ÕÕ என பாராட்டியும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். பேசியிருக்கிறார்.

அந்த சமயம், அங்கேயிருந்த கவிஞர் முத்துராமலிங்கம் இந்த தகவலையெல்லாம் சொன்னார்.

உண்மையில் சிவாஜிக்கு மிகச் சிறந்த கதாபாத்திரங்கள் எல்லாம் கிடைத்திருக்கின்றன. வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மனும், கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன் வ.உ.சி.யும், தேசிய கவிஞர் பாரதியும், சத்ரபதி சிவாஜியும், சாம்ராட் அசோகனும், அலேக்ஸாண்டரும், பகவத் சிங்கும், புத்தரும், சீசரும், ஒத்தல்லோவும் அவருக்கு கிடைத்த அருமையான கதாபாத்திரங்களாகும்.

எல்லா வேடங்களுக்குமே அவருடைய முகம் பொருந்தி வந்ததால் அவர் 1970க்கு மேல் சாதாரண கதாபாத்திரங்களில் நடித்ததை தவிர்த்து வரலாற்று புருஷர்களின் வேடங்களை தாங்கி நடிப்பதையே குறிக்கோளாக கொண்டிருந்ததால், அதன்பயனாக மகாப்புருஷர்களின் வரலாறுகள் எல்லாம் படமாகி சிவாஜிக்கு கலையுலகில் இதைவிட பன்மடங்காக புகழ் உயர்ந்திருக்கும்.

ஏற்கனவே சத்ரபதி சிவாஜி வரலாற்றை முழுத் திரைப்படமாக்க முயற்சிகளை மேற்கொண்டு அது சில காரணங்களால் இடையே தடைப்பட்டு நின்றது. அதுபோல சாணக்யா என்ற பெயரில் வரலாற்றுப் படம் உருவாக முயற்சிகள் மேற்கொள்ளப்பட்டன. பத்மினி பிக்சர்ஸ் சார்பில் தயாராகவிருந்த அந்தப் படத்திற்கு பத்திரிகைகளில் விளம்பரமும் வந்தன. அந்தப் படமும் சில குறுக்கீடுகளால் தயாராகாமலே நின்று போயிற்று.

அதுபோல சாண்டில்யன் எழுதிய Ōஜீவ பூமிÕ வரலாற்றுக் கதையில் ரதன் சந்தாஉத் என்ற வரலாற்று நாயகன் வேடத்தை சிவாஜி தாங்கி நடித்து வந்தார்.

அருட்செல்வர் ஏ.பி.நாகராஜன் திரைக்கதை, வசனம், இயக்கத்தில், உருவான அந்தப் படத்தை நடிகர் ஸ்ரீராம் தயாரித்தார். இந்த சிறந்த படமும் பாதிக்குமேல் தயாராகி நின்று போய்விட்டது. அதுபோல திப்பு சுல்தான் வரலாற்றுப் படமும் தயாரிப்பதற்கான ஏற்பாடுகள் நடந்து அதுவும் ஆரம்பத்திலேயே நின்றுபோய்விட்டது.

மேலும் சிவாஜி தந்தை பெரியார் வாழ்க்கை வரலாறு படமாக்கப்பட்டு பெரியார் பாத்திரத்தில் நடிக்க விரும்பினார். அதுபோல வீர நேதாஜி சுபாஷ் சந்திரபோஸ் வரலாறும் படமாகி அவருடைய பாத்திரத்திலும் நடிப்பதற்கு விருப்பம் தெரிவித்தார். இந்த வரலாற்றுப் படங்கள் எல்லாம் ஆரம்ப பேச்சோடு நின்றுபோயின. குறிப்பிட்ட காலங்களில் இவையெல்லாம் படமாக்கப்பட்டிருந்தால் அந்த வரலாற்று நாயகர்களை இன்னொரு முறை பார்த்த பிரமையை சிவாஜி தனது உயர்ந்த நடிப்பால் ஏற்படுத்திருப்பார்.

இதைத் தவிர உலக அளவில் எத்தனையோ மாபெரும் மனிதர்களின் வரலாறுகளையும் படமாக்கி சிவாஜி அந்த முக்கியப் பாத்திரங்களில் எல்லாம் நடிக்கிற வாய்ப்பு ஏற்பட்டிருக்குமேயானால் வெறும் கேள்வி ஞானத்திலேயே நாம் அறிந்திருந்த மாபெரும் மனிதர்களையெல்லாம் மறுபடி உயிரோடு பார்த்ததுமாதிரியான ஒரு பெரிய அனுபவம் நமக்கு கிடைத்திருக்கும்.

தவிர, சிவாஜி என்ற உன்னத நடிகர் மற்ற எல்லா நடிகர்களிலும், இருந்து மிகவும் மாறுபட்டவர் என்பதை எடுத்துக் காட்ட அவர் தாங்கிய சரித்திர நாயகர்களின் கதாபாத்திரங்கள் எல்லாம் சான்று கூறுபவையாக அமைந்திருக்கும்.

ஒரு விழாவில் நடிகர் ஒய்.ஜி.மகேந்திரன் பேசும்போது ஒரு செய்தியைக் குறிப்பிட்டார்.

Ōநான் என்னுடைய வெகுநாளைய சந்தேகம் ஒன்றை ஒருநாள் பரதநாட்டிய மேதை பத்மா சுப்பிரமணியம் அவர்களிடம் கேட்டேன்.ÕÕ Ōசிவாஜி சாருக்கு மட்டும் எல்லா வேடமும் பொருத்தமாக இருப்பது எப்படி?Õ என்பதே என் கேள்வி! அதற்கு பத்மா சுப்பிரமணியம் அவர்கள் பதில் கூறும்பொழுது, Ōசாமுத்திரிகா லட்சணம் பற்றி புத்தகத்தில் குறிப்புகள் வருகின்றன. அந்த குறிப்புகளை உங்களுக்குத் தருகிறேன். அவற்றை நீங்கள் படித்துப் பாருங்கள். அந்தக் குறிப்பில் கூறப்பட்டதைப் போன்றமுக அமைப்பு சிவாஜி சாருக்கு இருக்கிறது. அவர் நெற்றி, புருவம், கண்கள், மூக்கு, உதடு... என்று எல்லாமே அந்த சாமுத்திரிகா லட்சணத்தின்படி பொருந்திருக்கிறது. அதனால்தான் அவருடைய முகம் எந்த கோணத்தில் பார்த்தாலும் அழகாக தெரிகிறது. எந்த வேடம் அணிந்தாலும் பொருத்தமாக இருக்கிறதுÕ என்று கூறினார்.ÕÕ என்பதாக அந்த விழாவில் ஒய்.ஜி.மகேந்திரன் பேசினார்.

முன்பு பத்மா சுப்பிரமணியம் தனியார் தொலைக்காட்சி நிகழ்ச்சி ஒன்றில் பேட்டியளித்தார். அப்போதும் அவர் நடிகர் சிவாஜியிடம் உள்ள சிறப்புகளை பற்றிக் குறிப்பிட்டார்.

Ōநாட்டிய முத்திரைகளில் அறுபதுக்கும் மேற்பட்டவை இருக்கின்றன. அந்த முத்திரைகள் ஒவ்வொன்றையும் சிவாஜி சார் தான் நடித்த கதாபாத்திரங்கள் மூலம் மிக அருமையாக வெளிப்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார்.

நான் சிவாஜி சாரிடம் உள்ள அற்புதமான திறனை நாட்டிய சாஸ்திரத்துடன் ஒப்பிட்டு தனிப் புத்தகமே எழுதியிருக்கிறேன். இதற்காக சிவாஜி சார் நடித்த பல படங்களின் காட்சிகளை திரையிட்டு அவற்றிலிருந்து நாட்டிய முத்திரைக்குப் பொருத்தமான படங்களைச் சேகரித்து அந்தப் புத்தகத்தில் அவற்றையெல்லாம் வெளியிட்டிருக்கிறேன். பரதநாட்டியத்தை உருவாக்கிய பரத முனிவர் குறிப்பிட்ட இலக்கணப்படியே சிவாஜி சாரின் நடிப்பு முத்திரை ஒவ்வொன்றும் மிக அருமையாக அமைந்திருக்கின்றது. இவற்றையெல்லாம் சிவாஜி சார் பரத சாஸ்திரத்தை கற்றறிந்து தெரிந்துகொள்ளவில்லை. நடிப்புக் கலையில் அவருக்குள்ள தனி ஆற்றலின் காரணமாக இந்தப் பாவங்களை எல்லாம் இயல்பாகவே அவர் வெளிப்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார்ÕÕ என்று பத்மா சுப்பிரமணியம் தனது கருத்துக்களைக் கூறினார்.

பரத நாட்டிய முத்திரைகளை அச்சுப் பிசகாமல், தனது நடிப்பு பாவங்களில் வெளியிட்டிருப்பது மட்டுமல்ல, வெவ்வேறு கலைஞர்களின் தொழில் சம்பந்தப்பட்ட முத்திரைகளையும் சிவாஜி மிக நயமாய் சித்திரித்துக் காட்டி சாதனை படைத்திருக்கிறார்.

Ōதில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள்Õ படம் உருவான சமயத்தில் அந்தப் படத்தில் வரவேண்டிய நாயன இசையை மதுரை சேதுராமன்&பொன்னுசாமி குழுவினர்கள் இசைக்கப் போகிறார்கள். ஏ.பி.நாகராஜன் தெரிவித்தார். எனவே சிவாஜி நேரில் அவர் நாதஸ்வர இசையை கேட்க விரும்பி அவர்களும் சிவாஜி முன்னிலையிலேயே நாதஸ்வரம் இசைத்தார்கள்.

பின்னர் படத்தில் சிவாஜி நாதஸ்வர வித்வானாக தோன்றி நடித்ததைப் பார்த்த சேதுராமன்&பொன்னுசாமி சகோதரர்கள் பெருமளவு வியந்து போனார்கள். ŌŌநாதஸ்வரத்தை கையிலே பிடித்து இத்தனை முகபாவங்களுடன் அந்த வாசிப்பை அலங்காரமாக சித்தரிக்க முடியுமா? உண்மையான நாயனக் கலைஞருக்கு தொண்டையில் நரம்புகள் புடைப்பதுபோல எவ்வளவு அற்புதமாக அந்த கதாபாத்திரத்தை சித்தரித்து நாயனக் கலைஞர்களுக்கெல்லாம் புதிய மரியாதையை ஏற்படுத்திவிட்டார்ÕŌ என அவர்கள் புகழ்ந்தார்கள்.

அதேபோல Ōதவப்புதல்வன்Õ படத்தில் இந்துஸ்தானி இசைக் கலைஞர்களுடன் போட்டியில் கலந்துகொள்ளும் சிவாஜி கர்நாடக இசையை பாடுவதாக வரும் காட்சியில் சிவாஜி கர்நாடக இசைக் கலைஞர்கள் போல முகத்தில் வெளிப்படுத்திய பாவங்களைக் கண்டு உண்மையான இசைக்கலைஞர் செம்மங்குடி சீனிவாச அய்யர் வியந்து போனாராம்.

Ōகர்நாடக இசையை இத்தனை அருமையான பாவங்களோடு வெளிப்படுத்த முடியும் என்பதை இப்போதுதான் இவர் நடிப்பு மூலம் நான் கண்டு உணர்கிறேன்ÕÕ என இசை மேதை செம்மங்குடி சீனிவாச அய்யர் பாராட்டினாராம்.

இசைக் கலைஞராக மட்டுமல்லாமல் மிடுக்கான அதிகாரிகயாகவும் சிவாஜி தோன்றி நடிப்பதைப் பார்த்து உண்மையான அதிகாரிகே வியப்பில் மூழ்கியிருக்கிறார்கள். Ōதங்கப்பதக்கம்Õ திரைப்படத்தில் சிவாஜி போலீஸ் அதிகாரி தேவாரம் போல அவரைப் பின்பற்றியே மீசையை வைத்துக் கொண்டார் எனக் கூறுவார்கள். பொதுவாகவே தேவாரம் அவர்கள் சிவாஜியின் பல்வேறு நடிப்பில், அவருடைய ரசிகர்போல அவரைப் பாராட்டி வியக்கக்கூடியவர், Ōதங்கப்பதக்கம்Õ படத்திலே அவருடைய மிடுக்கையும், நடிப்பையும் தேவாரம் பார்த்து பாராட்டினார் என்பதோடு முன்னாள் போலீஸ் ஐ.ஜி. எப்.வி.அருணும் அப்படத்தைப் பார்த்து மிக வியந்தார். ŌŌ இப்படித்தான் ஒரு போலீஸ்காரன் இருக்கவேண்டும். இந்த மிடுக்கு இருந்தால்தான் போலீஸ்காரன் பதவிக்கே ஒரு மரியாதைÕÕ எனக் கூறி பாராட்டியிருக்கிறார்.

தங்கப்பதக்கம் நாடகத்தையும், திரைக்கதையையும் உருவாக்கியவர் இயக்குனர் மகேந்திரன். அவர் சிவாஜியைப் பற்றி கூறும்போது கீழ்க்கண்டவாறு சொல்லியிருக்கிறார்.

ŌŌசிவாஜி சாதாரணம் உயரம்தாம். ஆனால் சில வேடங்களில் அவர் மேடையில் தோன்றுபொழுது வளர்ந்த பிரம்மாண்டமான தோற்றமாக காட்சியளிப்பார். அதிக உயரமாகத் தெரிய அவர் உயர்ந்த காலணிகளையும் பயன்படுத்துவதில்லை. ஆனாலும் அந்தளவு வளர்ந்த எடுப்பான தோற்றத்தில் அவர் எப்படி தோன்றுகிறார் என்ற ஆச்சரியம் எனக்கு இருந்து வந்தது. அதன்பின் ஒரு உண்மையை உணர்ந்தேன். மிகக் கம்பீரமான உயர்ந்த தோற்றத்தில் காட்சியளிக்க வேண்டிய கதாபாத்திரங்களுக்கு அதற்கேற்ப ஒரு மனோபாவத்துடன் நடிப்பிலும் ஒரு எடுப்பான பாவனையை அவர் கலந்து தரும்பொழுது பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருப்பவர்கள் கண்களிலே அவர் பிரம்மாண்டமான தோற்றத்துடன் நம்முன் நிற்பது போல ஒரு பிரமையை ஏற்படுத்திவிடுகிறார்ÕÕ என மகேந்திரன் கூறினார்.

நடிகை லட்சுமி சிறந்த நடிகை என்பதற்காக அகில இந்திய விருது பெற்றவர். அத்துடன் அவர் மற்றவர்களின் நடிப்பு நுட்பத்தையும் சரியாக அறிய வல்லவர். அவருக்கு சிவாஜி நடிப்பு மீது எப்போதுமே ஒரு உயர்ந்த மதிப்பு உண்டு. அவர் ஒரு சமயம் கூறினார், ŌŌ தெலுங்கு படவுலகில் சிவாஜியின் பல படங்களில் இருந்து முக்கியக் காட்சிகளையெல்லாம் தொகுத்து வைத்திருக்கிறார்கள். யாராவது ஒரு நடிகர் ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட காட்சியில் நடிக்கும்பொழுது அந்தக் காட்சியில் தன் நடிப்பை எப்படி பிரதிபலிப்பது என்பதிலே அவருக்கு குழப்பம் ஏற்படுமேயானால் அந்த நேரங்களில் சிவாஜி படத்தையே அவர்களுக்கு போட்டுக் காட்டுகிறார்கள்ÕÕ எனக் குறிப்பிட்டார்.

மேலும் அவர் சிவாஜி நடிப்புப் பற்றி கூறும்பொழுது ŌŌஇந்தியாவின் மூலை முடுக்கெல்லாம் நான் சுற்றி வந்திருக்கிறேன். அகில இந்திய அளவில் எல்லா பெரிய நடிகர்களோடும் உரையாடியிருக்கிறேன். அவர்கள் எல்லோருமே சிவாஜிக்கு உயர்ந்த இடம் தந்திருக்கிறார்கள். சிவாஜியைப் பற்றி பேசும் பொழுது அவரைப் போல யாராலும் நடிக்க முடியாது என்பதை வெளிப்படையாக ஒப்புக்கொண்டு பேசுகிறார்கள். அதையெல்லாம் கேட்கும்பொழுது நமது தமிழ்நாட்டில் இப்படி ஒரு கலைஞர் பிறந்தாரே என்று நாம் பெருமையடைய முடிகிறதுÕÕ என்றார்.

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groucho070
12th September 2006, 03:19 PM
Another quality find my Annan Joe avargal. Thanks Joe.

I have a request from fellow NT fans.

My friend has a music band, he just started it. He does performance for weddings and smaller functions. He told me how he played MGR songs and got great response (MGR fans, put down your dagger, I am not putting him down).

Then, I asked why not play NT songs as well. The trouble is he can't recall many that would be suitable for that happy occasion. NT songs do well in pubs, especially the sad ones. I said, nonsense, I am sure there are many, many songs that can be used for wedding, or valaikkappu.

So, friends, naan vaakku koduttutteen. I need a list of NT songs that he can play. Somehow the first song that comes to my mind is, Aggaaya Panthalilee. Don't know why...

joe
12th September 2006, 03:48 PM
Somehow the first song that comes to my mind is, Aggaaya Panthalilee. Don't know why...

The first song comes to my mind is 'Nal vazhthu naan solluven' from Pattikada pattanama..I will list rest later

Nakeeran
12th September 2006, 03:54 PM
Poo mudipaal indha poonguzali - Nenjirukum varai

Malligai Mullai ponmozi killai - Brother oru Temple

Athikai kai kai alangai vennilave - Bale Pandiya

groucho070
12th September 2006, 04:59 PM
The first song comes to my mind is 'Nal vazhthu naan solluven' from Pattikada pattanama..I will list rest later

My gaaad!! That is a very threatening song for present day girls. I can visualize my friend singing this song and the ponnu staring viciously at the mappilai, who is grinning guiltily.

Nakkeeran thanks for the song list...haven't seen Brother Is A Temple, though.(did the song Annan Oru Kovil endral by SPB takes place in the same movie?)

Ladies and gentlemen, keep those list coming...

joe
12th September 2006, 05:07 PM
Groucho ,
few more

1.Vanakkam pala murai sonnen sapaiyinar munne
2.Kadavul Ninaiththaan mananaal koduththan -keel vaanam sivakkum
3.Vaarayen thozhi varayo -Paasamalar
4.Unjalukku poochutti -Avan thaan manithan
5.Oli mayamana ethirkaalam -pachai viLakku
6.Nallaothu kudumpam -Thangapathakkam

Nakeeran
12th September 2006, 05:11 PM
Groucho

Yeah. Its SPB in Annan oru temple . I think P.S also sang that

Now here is another lovely song :

Varayo thozi varayo manapandhal kana varayo

One honeymoon song :

NAAN PESA NINAPADHELLAM NEE PESA VENDUM

Pavadai dhavaniyil partha uruvama

groucho070
13th September 2006, 08:17 AM
Your list is impressive, Joe.

"1.Vanakkam pala murai sonnen sapaiyinar munne"

What movie is this song from?

"2.Kadavul Ninaiththaan mananaal koduththan -keel vaanam sivakkum"

One of the most apt for wedding song.

"3.Vaarayen thozhi varayo -Paasamalar"

Usually, the nathaswaram people will hijack this tune.


"4.Unjalukku poochutti -Avan thaan manithan"

Are you sure its Avanthaan Manithan? Can't remember when this song took place.

"5.Oli mayamana ethirkaalam -pachai viLakku"

All attention on Bride. Quite apt for these times, when brides has to go to work as soon as honeymoon is over.

"6.Nallaothu kudumpam -Thangapathakkam"

Objection, your honour. I can't bear to see the Mappillai getting arrested after the song is over.

joe
13th September 2006, 08:41 AM
Your list is impressive, Joe.

"1.Vanakkam pala murai sonnen sapaiyinar munne"

What movie is this song from?

From Avan oru sariththiram


"4.Unjalukku poochutti -Avan thaan manithan"

Are you sure its Avanthaan Manithan? Can't remember when this song took place.

Yes,It is from Avan thaan manithan .It is the first song of the movie .It is a duet with manjula,who died.


"6.Nallaothu kudumpam -Thangapathakkam"

Objection, your honour. I can't bear to see the Mappillai getting arrested after the song is over.
:lol:

sankara1970
13th September 2006, 01:08 PM
Ponmagal Vandhal-Sorgam
Chithiram Pesuthadi-Sabash Meena
Mappilaya Parthukadi-Needhi
Vellikinnam than-Uyarntha Manithan
Anthamaanai parungal azagu-Anthaman Kadali
Puthu pennin Manathai-Parasakthi
Mullai Malar mele-Uthama Puthiran
Poomalayil Or Malligai-Ooty Varai Uravu

groucho070
13th September 2006, 01:50 PM
Ponmagal Vandhal-Sorgam
Chithiram Pesuthadi-Sabash Meena
Mappilaya Parthukadi-Needhi
Vellikinnam than-Uyarntha Manithan
Anthamaanai parungal azagu-Anthaman Kadali
Puthu pennin Manathai-Parasakthi
Mullai Malar mele-Uthama Puthiran
Poomalayil Or Malligai-Ooty Varai Uravu

Thanks 1970, or do I call you Sankara?

Some very suited for wedding event, and the others are just pleasant love songs that will suit the occasion. I'd inform my friend.

Murali Srinivas
13th September 2006, 04:51 PM
Hi Groucho,joe

Had been out of station plus work had not allowed me to surf for so many days. Not fully free yet but thought I would say a hello. It seems that much water had flown under the bridge after I posted last.

Joe,

Many great articles. It was good.

Groucho,

Seems that you can find many innovative ways to keep the discussions alive. Good songs list had come. The one that came to my mind is Maalai Soodum Mana Naal from Nichiya Thamboolam.

Will meet later

Regards

saradhaa_sn
14th September 2006, 08:33 PM
1. Angey maalai mayakkam yaarukkaaga' - from Ooty varai uravu.

2. MuthukkaLo kangal - from Nenjirukkum varai

3. Alangaaram kalaiyaatha silaiyondru kanden - from Rojavin Raja

4. Sella kiLigaLam paLLiyilE - from Enga mama (I remember this song will be sung in band in Raman Eththanani Ramanadi, when Shivaji arrives Poongudi by train)

5. Oru Raja Raniyidam - from Sivandha Mann.

groucho070
15th September 2006, 10:07 AM
Thank you Murali sar, Saradha mdm.

Great list.

It also interesting to note some really underrated songs. Malai Suudum Mananaal, for example. I think people have forgotten this beautiful song.

Also, Saradha mdm, my mom told me that Oru Raaja Raani idam was the longest song recorded at that time (not so now, ARR songs sometimes stretches past 7 minutes). I wonder how it will be received when sung by Kalyaanam band.

(Also, I think NT looks magnificent in this song. And JJ looks cute, used to be my dream girl [the actress, not the ex-CM]).

Joe, where are you? I am expecting more contribution from you.

joe
15th September 2006, 12:47 PM
Groucho,
In TN ,whenever I go to any orchestra ,this song is must and mostly this song receive thunderous applause from audience ,that is 'Paattum naane'- from ThiruVilayadal ,but I am not sure it is apt for functions like wedding.

Another one is 'Ennadi rakkama' from pattikada pattanama ,which always make audience to dance.

Few more songs I often found in orchestra ..

1.Happy Intru Muthal happy
2.Malligai Mullai ponmozhi kiLlai
3.Amaithiyana nathiyinile odum
4.Kin kini kin kini ena varum matha kovil maniyosai
5.Naalai naalai entrirunthen

groucho070
15th September 2006, 01:17 PM
There you go...finally.

I think yes, they are suitable for happy occasions. I am not srue about Naalai naalai song. Which film is that from.

And I love kin kini kin kini song. A cheerful song, but nevertheless, because we know NTs predicament, we feel sad. Beautiful song. Thavaputhalvan is an example of a simple but effective movie.

joe
15th September 2006, 01:28 PM
I am not srue about Naalai naalai song. Which film is that from.

I think it is from Uththaman..can't you recall the song?
Naalai Naalai entrunthen
Nalla neram parthu vanthem
Thaththi thaththi odi vanthu
muththu muththu punnahaiyai thedinen
athai inge kanden

mr_karthik
15th September 2006, 06:51 PM
Another one is 'Ennadi rakkama' from pattikada pattanama ,which always make audience to dance.

Another same pattern of song, which will make audience to dance:

"theru pArrakka vandhirukkum chiththira penne"

from Iru Dhuruvam.

Some more:

'sondham eppothum thodargathaithaan' - Prabtham
'pottu vaiththa mugamo' - sumathi en sundhari
'endhan pon vanname' - naan vaaza vaippen
'malar koduthen' - thirisoolam
'kaathal malar koottam ondru' - dheiva magan

Murali Srinivas
16th September 2006, 11:56 AM
Groucho,

It is not JJ but Kanchana who acted in Sivandha Mann, another pair that was very much liked by fans. As you said, this song Oru Raja was a lengthy song that came out in 2 sides of the records that were prevalent at that point of time. The second side of the record will start with Nalaoru Meni. As you rightly pointed out, NT sans make up and with original hair-do (at 41) will be all radianc.

Regards

sankara1970
17th September 2006, 01:23 PM
Poonthota kavalkara pooparikka ithanai nala-Kungumam
Nalvazthu nan soluven-Pattikada Patanama

Ennadi Rakku is famous in Mujras in Gulf.

These songs may be suitable for bands

joe
18th September 2006, 08:49 PM
Engappa poneenga ella NT fans!

tvsankar
18th September 2006, 09:23 PM
Dear all,
One more song sung by Orchestra

Vanakkam pala murai sonnen
sabaiyinar munnae
tamizh magal kannae

Film ' Avan dhan sarithiram?

Beautiful song.I think it's a Sivaji film.

Sivaji songs for kids il ennai migavum kavarndha padalgal.

1. Naan thannadhani kattu raja - Emga mama

2. Thangangalae thaanai thalaivargalae - ?

ONe more song

1.Sudhandhira boomiyll
pala vagai janagalum
thottathil malarndha malargal
thottahdil malarnadha ayiram nirangalum
janganalin ayiram gunangal.Beautiful lyrics.It inspired me very much.


2.Nallavar kuraluku madhipirukum
indha naatilae (hmm.. adhu oru kalam)

3.Kelay maganae
kel oru varthai. Ippadi oru padal iruka? epphodho ketta nyabagam. Sivaji padal pol dhan thondrum enaku.Enna padam?

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

RC
18th September 2006, 09:26 PM
Gorucho:
I'm not sure if kadavuL ninaithaan is apt for a marrriage reception. Even though the song is sung on a Marriage reception, the words on the song like
..nee eNNiyathum illayamma naaLai.. and few more doesnt seem right.

joe
18th September 2006, 09:58 PM
Dear all,

Vanakkam pala murai sonnen
sabaiyinar munnae
tamizh magal kannae

Film ' Avan dhan sarithiram?

I mentioned this song before..It is from avan oru sariththiram



3.Kelay maganae
kel oru varthai. Ippadi oru padal iruka? epphodho ketta nyabagam. Sivaji padal pol dhan thondrum enaku.Enna padam?

Ofcourse..This is NT song ..movie is Uththaman

Murali Srinivas
19th September 2006, 11:26 AM
Dear Usha,

Paadalgal Patri Pesumpothu Neengal Varuveergal endru Ninaithen. Correct-aga vandheergal.

Thangangale is from Ennai Pol Oruvan

Sudandhira Bhoomiyil is from Dharmam Engay (Telecast this Sunday, day before yesterday).

Nallavar Kuralukku is from Dr.Siva

To all (especially Chennaites)

Uththama Puthiran is getting released in Chennai. Coinciding with NT's birthday, the movie is slated for release most probably on Sep 29th with new print etc.

Regards

joe
19th September 2006, 01:39 PM
Few rare photos of Nadigar Thilagam

http://merkondar.blogspot.com/2006/09/blog-post_19.html

mr_karthik
19th September 2006, 06:34 PM
Dear all,
One more song sung by Orchestra

Vanakkam pala murai sonnen
Film ' Avan dhan sarithiram?

Thangangalae thaanai thalaivargalae - ?

Nallavar kuraluku madhipirukum
indha naatilae (hmm.. adhu oru kalam)

3.Kelay maganae
kel oru varthai. Ippadi oru padal iruka? epphodho ketta nyabagam. Sivaji padal pol dhan thondrum enaku.Enna padam?

With Love,
Usha Sankar.
On considering your too much doubts about the name of the films, it seems you have missed more Shivaji films to see. Just you heared the songs in radio.

am I right..??.

tvsankar
20th September 2006, 05:32 PM
Dear joe and Murali,
Thanks for your responses.
Thanks for the info.Uthama puthiran is a nice story. Old print is also good to see.

Sivajin villathanam is nice to watch.

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

tvsankar
20th September 2006, 05:51 PM
Dear Karthick,
You are correct.during my 5th and 6th,

Naan sivaji padam parparadhai niruthi vitten.

Manjula vudan naditha Sivaji padam edhvum enaku pidikavillai. Poster parthae pidikavilai.

nos are,

1.ENgal thanga raja

2.Anbae aruyirae

3.Dr.Siva

innum sila nos.Theiryavillai.

Edho oru padam parthen.Yeno pidikavillai.Adhan pin. sila varudam kazhithu, marubadiyum Sivaji padam parthen.

They are,

Sathyam

Grahapravesam

ADhan piragu, IR music pidithu, Sivaji padam parthen.

nos are,
Naan Vaazha vaipen

2.Rishi moolam

3.Vetrikuoruvan (nichayam IR music kaga than parthen)

4.Devar Magan ( What a GEM )

5.Mudhal mariyadhai ( Indha age il enna oru nadipu !!! Thanks to Bharathi Raja)

Adhanal dhan enaku sila padangalin peyar theiryavillai.Neengal sonnadhu pol, radio vil padal kettu iruken.Anal padam parka asai varavillai.

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

tvsankar
20th September 2006, 05:59 PM
Dear Murali,
Neengal ellorum information aga pesi kondu irukireergal.Ellavatraiyum padithu kondu irukiren.
Enaku therindhadhu padal dhan.Adhanal dhan vandhu disturb panni, thisaiyai thiru vitten.Sorry for the disturbance. Ungaludiaya thagavalgalai thodarungal !!! I am waiting for all your posts.

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

NOV
20th September 2006, 08:08 PM
3.Kelay maganae
kel oru varthai. Ippadi oru padal iruka? epphodho ketta nyabagam. Sivaji padal pol dhan thondrum enaku.Enna padam?aamaam. sivaji padam thaan.
uththaman - a remake of Aa Gale Lag Jaa.
in fact indha paattu ee adichaan copy of hindi original - hai mere bete. :roll:
mera tujse became naalai naalai

joe
20th September 2006, 08:19 PM
Sorry for the disturbance.

Nothing distrubance..Pls do ask anything related to NT .One of NT fans will surely answer you.It is our pleasure.

mr_karthik
20th September 2006, 08:54 PM
Enaku therindhadhu padal dhan.Adhanal dhan vandhu disturb panni, thisaiyai thiru vitten.Sorry for the disturbance.
No disturbance Ushaji...

Your participation is well appreciated. Sometimes your informations about the songs also new for somebody here.

Continue your service please.

Karthik.

Murali Srinivas
21st September 2006, 12:44 PM
Dear Usha,

Naan Sonnathai Thavaraga purinthu kondurikeergal endru ninaikiren. Paadalgal endral ungalukku migavum pidikkum endru theriyum. Athanalthan Paadalgal patri pesumpothu ungalai ninaithen, athe pola neengal post seytheergal endru sonnen. Matrapadi ungal post-i migavum rasippavan naan (Ithai munpe solli irukiren). Naan ezhuthiyathu ungal manathai punpadithiirundhal, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Ungalukke urithana nadaiyil thodarnthu ungal post-i ethirparkkum

Regards

tvsankar
21st September 2006, 02:19 PM
Dear Nov,
Thanks for the response.Yes.Neenga sonna hindi song kettu irukiren.Nice tune ! !!

Dear Karthick and all,
Ungal varaverpirku en panivaana nanri.Enaku migavum piditha thread idhu.Adhanal nichayam varuven.Irupen.Post pottu, ungal elloraiyum disturb pannuven enru urimaiyaga solli kolgiren. :lol:

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

kalnayak
21st September 2006, 02:20 PM
Using 'da', 'di' are unrespectful in our language :? . But there are gems of songs from NT's films which use the above letters. The songs I can remember immediately are:

1. Yaaradi Nee Mohini ... from Uththama puthiran
2. Satti Suttathada, kai vittadhada ... from Aalayamani
3. Ponaal pogattum Poda ... from Palum Pazhamum
4. Yaarai nambi naan piranthen pongada ponga ... from Enga oor Raja.
5. Adi Ennadi Rakkamma pallaaku ... from Pattikaada pattanamaa.
6. Sothanai mel sothanai pothumada saami... from Thanga pathakkam
7. Sakkai podu podu raja, un kattile mazhe peyyuthu ... from Bharatha vilas
8. Ey kuruvi, sittukuruvi ... evadi ava ... from Mudhal mariyaathai

Hope others will list more

tvsankar
21st September 2006, 02:27 PM
Dear Murali,
NEengal ennidam Sorry enra peirya varthaiyai solladheengo.Ungal ezhuthin mel oru miga peirya madhipai vqaithu irukum ungal rasigai naan.

Padal patri neengal sonnadhai correct sense il eduthu kondu dhan naan bhadhil sonnen.

Ungal ezhuthin mel irukum madhipil dhan, ennudaiya post ai naanae disturbance enru solli konden.

Neengal ellorum , one type songs patri pesum podhu, naan dhan unrelated aga padal solli vitteno enru enni kondu appadi sonnen.

UNGAL VARTHAIYAI NALLAVIDHAMAGA THAN EDUTHU KONDEN.ADHANAL DHAN PADALUM SOLLA VANDHEN.ADHANAL ---- NAAN THAVARAGA NINAITHU VITTAENO ENRU NEENGAL THAVARA NINAIKADHEENGO PL!! PL!! PL !!

Unmaiyiliaeyae sandhoshamaga than naan ezhudhinen.

So. vazhakkam pol ungal discussions ai continue pannungo.Ungal elorudiaya post ai yum parka asaiyaga irukiren. Okva?

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

sankara1970
21st September 2006, 05:24 PM
Using da, di in songs-

When we have affection with others, best to use da, di only

Affection and singular go together.

There are children who call their parents, relatives Va, Po. The affection and nearness will be more than calling Vanga, Ponga.

mr_karthik
21st September 2006, 08:00 PM
Using 'da', 'di' are unrespectful in our language :? . But there are gems of songs from NT's films which use the above letters. The songs I can remember immediately are:

1. Yaaradi Nee Mohini ... from Uththama puthiran
2. Satti Suttathada, kai vittadhada ... from Aalayamani
3. Ponaal pogattum Poda ... from Palum Pazhamum
4. Yaarai nambi naan piranthen pongada ponga ... from Enga oor Raja.
5. Adi Ennadi Rakkamma pallaaku ... from Pattikaada pattanamaa.
6. Sothanai mel sothanai pothumada saami... from Thanga pathakkam
7. Sakkai podu podu raja, un kattile mazhe peyyuthu ... from Bharatha vilas
8. Ey kuruvi, sittukuruvi ... evadi ava ... from Mudhal mariyaathai

Hope others will list more

9. Yaaradaa manithan inge... from Arunodhayam
10. AdiyE nEtru pirandhavaL neeyE... from En Thambi.

groucho070
21st September 2006, 10:05 PM
Hiya there guys and ladies,

Been out of action for some times.

Interesting that the topic is now on the use of 'da' and 'di'.

I think the biggest 'culprit' (in a very fond way)is Kannadhasan. The way he addresses god in that way.

Using those 'possesive' nouns makes the songs very intimate. Its like someone very close to you telling you.

Also, I think NT is very much that kind of person. From the articles and interviews I have read, I noticed that if he likes someone or fond of them (and if they are younger) he does not hesitate to address them informally. (he calls Sathyaraj, dey kaunda!)

That is why, through those songs, you feel certain closeness. And that is why you can relate to them.

And (also thanks to Kannadhasan) they can be very treatening if it concerns moral codes.

Case in point:

Yaarada manithan inggeey.

One of my favourite tattuvam song of NT/Kannadhasan combination. The moment TMS starts the first stanza, all those with manasatchi/conscience will question themselves.

It is a very disturbing song. If it were to start, "Yaarungga Manithan ingge", its like talking politely to a guest over a carefully prepared coffee. No emotion. Just making conversation.

But when you stressed the 'da', everyone wakes up. That what happens when you listen to this song. Its like your dad, older brother or your teacher questioning you. And they are serious.

Off topic note: I love it when one of the saranam, Kavingar simply answers with the ending "illai". Very cynical. Typical of kannadhasan. And very apt for NT's character in that movie. I love that movie (Lakshmi Kalyanam).

Also, most NT songs address single character. MGR songs address mass, so you tend to see a lots of "Neengga" or "Vaangga".

Since NT makes character oriented movies, his character has to address another in songs. That is why you get songs like "Neeyum Naanumaa?" or "Unnai Solli Kuttramillai". Very informal. Very, very much coccooned in the story of those films.

I think that what makes those songs beautiful. The fact that it was written by someone who can RELATE to those situations, acted by someone who can RELATE to that situtions, makes it easier for us, mere mortals, to also RELATE to those songs. Listen to them now, and realise how intimate they are to you....

Keep the thread afloat folks.

joe
21st September 2006, 10:08 PM
groucho070,
Excellent Post :thumbsup:

joe
22nd September 2006, 04:18 PM
Nadigar Thilagam -Life story

http://ennar.blogspot.com/2006/09/blog-post_115888836651305745.html

Nakeeran
22nd September 2006, 05:29 PM
Joe Sir

Super info. !

Can U pls post the relevant episode of M.R.Radha also in his thread ?

I mean there is a mention about M.R.Radha asking Nadigar thilagam to join his troup etc

raaja_rasigan
22nd September 2006, 05:42 PM
groucho070,
Excellent Post :thumbsup:

Agreed!
idhai naan vazhimozhigiraen
Good analysis :thumbsup:

joe
23rd September 2006, 10:27 AM
Nadigar Thilagam -Life Story -Part 2
http://ennar.blogspot.com/2006/09/2.html

Nakeeran
25th September 2006, 03:54 PM
Sad to hear that Natiya peroli Padmini Amma is no more

I thought its most appropriate to put it here as NT & NP had acted in many memorable movies & THILLANA MOHANAMBAL IS THE PEAK OF THEM ALL

Mr. Murali Srinivas or Groucho or Mr. Joe - Pl post more about their movies now here

A great personality has left us now

Irrepairable loss

sankara1970
25th September 2006, 04:42 PM
Sad loss.
She devoted her life for dance and cinema.
Her pair with NT was the famous combination in films.
It is only a month back she returned from US.

Nakeeran
25th September 2006, 04:51 PM
I think Natiya peroli did extremely well in Deiva piravi .

NT will doubt her at the end of the movie but everything ends well .

1. Thillana
2. Meenda sorgam
3. Deiva piravi
4. Lakshmi vandhachu ( NT very well plays the role of someone henpecked )
5. Utama puthiran ( class & grace )
6. Vietnam veedu ( a pair about to reach old age )
7. Thaiku oru thalatu ( elderly pair facing problems with next generation )



Can someone list the movies of the pair pls

groucho070
26th September 2006, 09:02 AM
I think Vietnam Veedu is a case whereby one needs tremendous sense of timing and understanding of co-star to keep up with him, especially when he is a giant named Sivaji Ganesan. In this film, Padmini pulled it off beautiful.

For example of fine teamwork, I would always cite to others to watch the opening scenes of this movie, during the housewarming and the morning when NT has to go to work. Simple scenes. But watch how NT 'tortures' Padmini with chores, ciding, scolding and even playfully beating her (coat worn wrong side), and watch how beautifully responds to it all.

As mentioned in Padmini thread, the song Un Kannil Neer Vazhinthal does not work without her wonderful performance. And this is only Vietnam Veedu. What about the other films?

She is not only a wonderful dancer...but, as I said elsewhere, a great actress as well, up there with Savithri (or, in my personal humble opinion, better).

joe
26th September 2006, 09:36 AM
NT had a spl affection to Padmini ,he called her 'Pappi' .NT -Padmini pair is one of the greatest pair in Tamil film history.

For me ,Padmini is second most favourite actress next to Savithri

kalnayak
26th September 2006, 12:23 PM
Tamil film historians used to say that Tamil Films best pair of all time is NT-Padmini. They have acted together in more than 50 films. Padmini entered filmdom through Hindi movies before NT and became more popular with Tamil films that too with NTs films. In some of the films they were not pairs (Acted together in more than 50 films) - I remember the hit film 'Mangayar Thilagam' in which Padmini is NT's Anni. It got best regional film award at - National level. Padmini is the second heroine to act more number of films with NT after K.R.Vijaya. I can remember the following films:
1. Thooku thooki
2. Uththama puthiran
3. Ethir paraathathu
4. Amara theepam,
5. Theiva piravi
6. Thanga pathumai
7. Pudhaiyal
8. Raja Rani
9. Iru malargal
10. Thillana Mohanambal
11. Thiruvarut Chelvar
12. Thirumal perumai
13. Saraswathi sabatham
14. Vietnam veedu
15. Vilayattu pillai
16. Thaikku oru thalattu
17. Iru thuruvam
18. Paalaadai
19. Guru thatchinai
20. Lakshmi vanthachu
21. Mangayar Thilagam
22. Sri Valli
23. Veerapandiya kattabomman

Her popular films with other heros are:
1. Vanchikottai valiban
2. Mannathi mannan
3. Madhurai veeran
4. Siththi
5. Poove poochudava
6. Rikshaakaaran

Let us pray for her soul to rest in peace.

joe
26th September 2006, 12:50 PM
Some stills from Thillana mohanampal

http://www.bonkanwa.com/Entertainment/IndianMovies/TamilMovies/Alphabet/T/ThillanaMohanabal.htm

P_R
26th September 2006, 01:08 PM
Some stills from Thillana mohanampal

http://www.bonkanwa.com/Entertainment/IndianMovies/TamilMovies/Alphabet/T/ThillanaMohanabal.htm
:thumbsup: Thanks Joe. It's my all time favourite film.

groucho070
28th September 2006, 10:02 AM
Groucho to the rescue again. Gotta keep the thread afloat.

Okay ladies and gentlement, here is something for you to think about (and hopefully will write about it).

NT in guest roles. I shall discuss two favourite of mine.

1. Kaval Deivam.

If I am not mistaken this is SV Suppiah's own production. While the story itself (original or remake?) is very interesting, in terms of jail warden SVS and young prisoner Siva Kumar's relationship...what really makes the movie standout is NT.

Playing a prisoner, who killed to avenge his daughter, NT is basically the central life force of this movie. When his episode is over, you felt like wanting to stop watching the movie. In all fairness, SVS is great actor and we know how well Siva Kumar performs at that age. But when NT leaves the scene (and yes, he gets hanged), you feel empty. That little episode is too strong, that whatever happens next is uninteresting by comparison. Such is NTs performance. It reminded me of the Muradan character in Navarathiri (Bayappadaathe... onnum illa... innaikkuthaa oru kola pannuna).

2. Manitharil Manikkam

Second movie of choice will be Manitharil Manikkam. I watch this movie with my remote steady in my hand. Why? Fast Forward all the non-NT scenes.

Basically, NT takes on the comedy role that is usually reserved for Nagesh, Cho, etc.

He plays a doctor (a weird one, you'd never want to heal yourself with this guy) who may not be exactly the greatest doctor in the world, but certainly most human.

You got to check out his "I will sing for you" song sequence...it will have you in stitches. Shows the more phsycial side of his comedic talent. Of course, he does play an important role to the hero AVM Rajan's life (hey, the credit title got his name first), but he remains the comedian with a separate sidetrack a-la Tanggavelu.

There. Two memorable guest role. I'd have to think of other films. I am sure you guys (and gals) can think of other films. I would appreciate it if you can (Joe? Murali-sar? Nakeera?) give some background info on the two films I mentioned.

Professionalchap
28th September 2006, 05:47 PM
this is THE thread in the hub.. things that are discussed here cant be read anywhere in the net... joe, groucho, balaji, murali, mohanram and other great sivaji fans are doing a splendid job here... hats off to these great hubbers... i always read this thread, but never posted b'cos i didnt want to tarnish its reputation.... keep up the great work..

groucho070
29th September 2006, 09:15 AM
Come on Mr. Chap, I am sure you have your pieces to share. Don't hold it back.

In the meantime, its rather quiet in the NT front. Where's everybody? Hollyday-vah?

abkhlabhi
29th September 2006, 01:25 PM
Splendid job by Groucho keep this NT thread alive. Though I keep reading this thread everyday, due to preoccupation I did not contribute very often. Thanks for discussing different topics.

As Guest I first remember movie is Kandan Karunai and Manitharil Manikkam (a beautiful song I will sing for U - a mix of Carnatic and Western). Then Vanchinathan in Cinema Paithiyam. Alexander the Great in Chanakya Chandragupta (telugu) and finally Mudal Mariyadai (though NT is hero, it is out and out BR movie) Hence I consider NT acting in this movie as Guest

groucho070
29th September 2006, 01:38 PM
Ab, where were you? Been missing for sometimes now.

You are right about Vanchinathan. Very brief but powerful scene. I've not seen the telugu movie. And interesting observation about Muthal Mariyathai...which I disagree. It could be Barathiraja out and out, but put another actor and you rob the movie of its soul. But interesting observation, nevertheless.

joe
29th September 2006, 04:16 PM
Oct 1st is NT's birthday.

Heard Chennai screens planed to release 'Uththama Puththiran' in Major theatres .Anybody have more info?

rajeshkrv
30th September 2006, 03:16 AM
Performance of NT in pudhiya paravai is different from his other movies

i.e All shades of a normal human being is displayed in GOPAL..

The Royal Gopal .. style .. etc..
Man with hidden sorrow .. Emotions,
New love with Saroja devi . joyful moments
Entry of Sowkar again.. Fear , frustration and agony..
Bursting out the truth.. Angry
coming to know that SD is also part of the CID .. Puzzled and asks did you have only love as the weapon.. MY GOD.. Shivaji productions box office record collection movie with superb performance by All .

Must see film Pudhiya paravai .. indhru paarthalum pudhiya padam

abkhlabhi
30th September 2006, 11:39 AM
An interesting and reflects ordinary human being character.

Why don't we start discussing and analysis his acting and other skills from his 1st movie Parashakthi to last movie. It is almost like research. Can any one start . If we do this, this will really a GIFT to NT on his Birthday. Since I am very weak in analysing when compare to others - Murali, Sharara, Gro, Joe, and others. We will get more and more information.

can any start this subject on his Birthday.


Lets everyone wishes him (though he is not with us now) and pray GOD . Hope NT get rebirth and entertain us