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swathy
22nd February 2006, 02:58 PM
[tscii:b23ded7a22]Let’s discuss about a song by IR each day.

You can share your personal feelings about the song. Some additional information like the raga or something technical related or any incident related to the song.

Let us allot 24 hours for each song and then new song can be discussed.

Song of the Day: Feb 22. 4.00 pm IST


Movie : Aavarampoo
Song : Samikitta solli vachu serndhadhindha chella kiliye
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click the below link to see the songs discussed so far

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/lyrsort.php?t=6013

rajasaranam
22nd February 2006, 06:55 PM
Swathy,

Where are your comments about the song :)
The movie was 1993 pongal release i think. It had many other songs like 'Manthiram' by KJY and the evergreen 'Aalolam paadi' a sweet lullaby sung by Raja himself. Though the movie did not do well in the BO the songs were all super hits from this film.

Renault
22nd February 2006, 07:35 PM
Swathy,

Great song indeed to discuss. I have a Nokia 8310, which has a limited memory. But, I have this song recorded and I play it whenever i feel I need Raja's music to motivate me.This is the only song I have in my phone.

The beauty of this song is they way SPB's voice will flow into this song beautifully.

I remember this film getting released somewhere in August 1992 and topping the charts, though as rajasaranam said didn't quite click at the box office.

It probably didn't have the commercial elements apart form the songs to go on to be a Hit.

The film also has Adukku Malli song, which is even today absolutely FRESH to hear.

tvsankar
22nd February 2006, 07:44 PM
Dear all,
Flop agum enru therindha film ku ellam IR Romba care eduthu best aga music seidhu irupar!!!

Idhu dhan IR in style!!! ANdha list il indha film ai serthu kollalam!!!

Sami kiate - Simple beat !! But great composition!!!

Indha film il another song - Nadhiyoram - miga arumaiyana oru tune!! SJ voice is nice !!! IR in composition ai purindhu kondu padum oru singer!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

rajasaranam
22nd February 2006, 07:53 PM
thanks renault for pouring in more information :)
Was it a Aug 1992 release? This was bharathan's 2nd movie in Tamil i suppose. Devar magan was his first. Devar magan released in 1992 deepavali! From my not well kept memory I can only think of the year 1992 as in these orders... august me joining college.... 1992 august Roja getting released.... Deepavali devarmagan and pandian... 1993-Pongal-Aavarampoo, magarasan, puthiyamugam etc., may be Iam wrong :?
The movie was a remake of Barathan's own Superhit 'Thakara' from malayalam. though the movie was ok many related it with 16 vayathinilae storyline. Hence it bombed at BO.
I dont remember the exact situation for this song. But I think one of them 'Hero' or 'Heroin' rolls down from a moutain and falls into a deep valley with water.The other hear only the 'thud' sound...but in reality only a stone would've fallen. While the other starts crying this song comes out as breath of fresh air. The song in the beginning gives a sense of loss and builds up into a wonderful duet.

rajasaranam
22nd February 2006, 07:56 PM
Wheeeeeew Tvsankar. I was breaking my head thinking about the fifth song. Thanks for reminding. What a great song is 'Nadhiyoram'. No one...not even himself can reach such great heights in song composition :)

Sanjeevi
22nd February 2006, 09:11 PM
Swathy, nice thread.

Avarampoo songs are simply the best from our IR. However, it is one sone each a day or one album each a day :lol:

swathy
23rd February 2006, 08:07 AM
This is one of my favorite IR song. thella thelivana vaarthaigal. idhamana isai pinnadi vara andha tabla music mm inimai.

The situation of the song is also good.

I have the background music bit of this movie. Really amazing.

Raja sir really we miss you.


Sanjeevi : one song or one album. Let our hubbers decide it. :-)

rajasaranam,renault,tvsankar,sanjeevi -Thanks for the response.

swathy
23rd February 2006, 12:33 PM
Lyrics

Saamikittach Chollivechchi(Aavaaram Poo)

Saamikittach Chollivechchi Saerndhadhindhach Chellakkiliyae - Indha
Boomiyulla Kaalam Mattum Vaazhum Indha Anbuk Kadhaiyae
Muththumaniyae Pattuththuniyae
Raththinamum Muththinamum Saerndhuvandha Chiththiramae

(Saami)
Koovaadha Kuyil Aadaadha Mayil Naanaaga Irundhaenae
Poovoadu Varum Kaatraaga Enai Nee Saerath Thelindhaenae
Aadhaaram Andha Dhaevan Aanai Saerndhaay Indha Maanai
Naavaara Rusiththaenae Thaenai Theerndhaen Inru Naanae
Vandha Thunaiyae Vandhu Anaiyae
Andhamulla Chandhiranaich Chondhangonda Sundhariyae

(Saami)

Kaavaeri Anai Maelaeri Nadhi Oadoadi Varum Vaegam
Poovaana Enai Nee Saerum Vidhi Maaraadha Irai Vaedham
Booloagam Ingu Vaanam Poalae Maarum Nilai Paarththaen
Vaazhnaalin Sugandhaanidhu Poalum Vaazhum Vazhi Kaettaen
Vannak Kanavae Vatta Nilavae
Enna Enna Inbam Tharum Vannam Konda Karpanaiyae
(Saami)

Renault
23rd February 2006, 06:58 PM
Swathy, You couldn't have done it better that giving the entire lyrics here.. Great job indeed.

U'r signature looks interesting.. I remember it hearing it as uttered by Kamalhassan somewhere.. can u tell me where u picked it up?

After all all Ilayaraja fans are also Kamal's fans as Kamil himself is a Raja fan.

tvsankar
23rd February 2006, 07:21 PM
Dear Rajasaranam,
Thank you - Ennoda alltime favourite nu oru bunch iruku - Adhil indha song iruku.So indha film nu sonnalae indha song dhan enaku mudhalil ninaivu varum!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

swathy
23rd February 2006, 08:56 PM
Swathy, You couldn't have done it better that giving the entire lyrics here.. Great job indeed.

U'r signature looks interesting.. I remember it hearing it as uttered by Kamalhassan somewhere.. can u tell me where u picked it up?

After all all Ilayaraja fans are also Kamal's fans as Kamil himself is a Raja fan.

Thanks Renault :-)

Regarding signature. this is bharathiyar poem uttered by Kamlaji in the movie Mahanadhi.

director Bala used as introduction and conclusion in his article published by ananda vikatan.


Exactly. you are right. Iam fan for both gnaanis. :-)

swathy
23rd February 2006, 08:58 PM
Song of the Day: Feb 23. 10.00 pm IST


Song: Kannama Kadhal ennum kavidhai solladi
Movie: Vanna Vanna Pookkal

swathy
24th February 2006, 10:09 AM
[tscii:f7a94a284c]Lyrics

kannamma kadhal ennum kavidhai solladi un pillai thamilil
undhal killai mozhiyile
ullam kollai adippadhum yen
thulli thulli varum nadaiyil
manam mella thudippadhum yen
unnai kaana vendum kooda vendum vaarayo vaarayo (Kannamma....)


punnai mara thopporam unnai ninaindhu
munnam sonna kuil pattu solli magilndhen
ponni nadhi karaiyoram mannan ninaivil
kann imaigal moodadhu kanni irundhen
vennilavin oli kanalai kodhikkudhadi
ennam illai illamal thavikkudhadi
undhan chella mozhiyile
ullam kollai adippadhum yen
thulli thulli varum nadaiyil
manam mella thudippadhum yen
unnai kaana vendum kooda vendum vaarayo vaarayo (Kannamma....)


Innum ennai vegu dhooram kooti chelladi
pan isaiyil padaangal maatri solladi
kanni undhan mana koondil ennai thalladi
kan asaithu angeye vaithu kolladi
mandhirathai maatramal katru kuduthal
vindhaigalai yeralam solli tharuven
(undhan chella mozhiyile…..)
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Sanjeevi
24th February 2006, 06:48 PM
Song of the Day: Feb 23. 10.00 pm IST


Song: Kannama Kadhal ennum kavidhai solladi
Movie: Vanna Vanna Pookkal.

Super Swathy :) . Nice and neat song.


Currently I am reading "Bharathi Kavithaigal" purchased at chennai book fair.
What a man, What a lyrics, wov great. Previously I've heared about him and his poets a lot but it is wonderful experience when reading his lines.

Ezhuthil, enna oru kamperam, enna oru tholai nooku parvai.

Sanjeevi
24th February 2006, 06:52 PM
I really want more music on Bharathi even though he has given some of songs before.

swathy
27th February 2006, 05:23 PM
Song of the Day: Feb 23. 10.00 pm IST


Song: Kannama Kadhal ennum kavidhai solladi
Movie: Vanna Vanna Pookkal.

Super Swathy :) . Nice and neat song.


Currently I am reading "Bharathi Kavithaigal" purchased at chennai book fair.
What a man, What a lyrics, wov great. Previously I've heared about him and his poets a lot but it is wonderful experience when reading his lines.

Ezhuthil, enna oru kamperam, enna oru tholai nooku parvai.

sanjeevi i guess maybe u assumed that the lyrics for this song is by mahakavi. pls clarify.

TISK
27th February 2006, 07:26 PM
"chinnanjchiRu kadhaikaL pEsi,
manam vaadi, thunbam miga uzhanRu,
piRar vaadap pala seyalkaL seydhu,
kodum kuuRRukku pin iraiyena maayum,
vEdikkai manidharaip pOla,
naan viizhvEnn enRu
ninaiththaayaa?" --mahaakavi Bharathi

swathy
28th February 2006, 10:39 AM
"chinnanjchiRu kadhaikaL pEsi,
manam vaadi, thunbam miga uzhanRu,
piRar vaadap pala seyalkaL seydhu,
kodum kuuRRukku pin iraiyena maayum,
vEdikkai manidharaip pOla,
naan viizhvEnn enRu
ninaiththaayaa?" --mahaakavi Bharathi

Thedi nidham soru thindru.......

narai koodi kila paruvam yeidhi
........ :D

swathy
28th February 2006, 10:40 AM
Can anyone pls tell me the instrument used in the opening of this song. i guess nadhaswaram but iam not sure :-)

Renault
5th March 2006, 11:46 AM
Swathy,

Since I do not see any updates to this thread I take the liberty to proceed with my chosen Song of the Day.

The song of the day and probably this week is:


Movie : Panner Pushpangal
Song : Poonthalir Aaada Ponmalar Sooda

Poonthalir Aaada Ponmalar Sooda Sindhum pani vaadai kaatril konjum iru kaadhal nenjam paadum pudhu raagangal.. ini naalum suga thaalangal..

May be some one can post the complete lyrics here...

I did not want this fantastic thread to stay in the dormant state.

baroque
6th March 2006, 07:08 AM
[tscii:fcba958603]Nice thread, Swathy!! Hope the knowledgeables join this thread and enlighten us!! Romba nalla songs you have stated!!
Poonthalir aada..... Panneer pushpangal by ‘lover boy' & Janaki!

This composition is an aesthetic melody and artistic orchestral glamour pressed into ONE!!!
What a gratification!!
Raaja enriched this song with counterpoint melody throughout the song...... especially the divine second interlude has a counterpoint with two guitars later chorus humming joining too....
Thanks Raaja for delighted us!!

Naan petra inbum neeyum peruga!!!
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.5115/
love, Vinatha[/tscii:fcba958603]

baroque
6th March 2006, 08:04 AM
[tscii:5d8872dc33]Devanin kovil.....Shri.Ilayaraja and Chithra from Aruvadai Naal!!

The other day I was enjoying this song thoroughly!!

This song is ELITE Ilayaraja composition-Raaja’s aesthetic vocal harmony , guitar glamour , his high pitch humming in the interludes.... Chithra’s sweet voice fully expressive lends a irresistible listening pleasure!
Hope all of you enjoy this MASTERPIECE of Shri.Ilayaraaja!!

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.4258/

Good day!![/tscii:5d8872dc33]

swathy
6th March 2006, 09:37 AM
Thanks renault and baroque.

renault: I was supposed to give the same song for today. Since I couldn't see the responses I couldn't continue.

Poonthalir aada is one of the beautiful composition by IR.

Humming for this song is really good.

Can anyone post the lyrics if you have

Baroque: R u sure it is by Janaki. I guess Umaramanan but Iam not sure. Pls clarify.

baroque
6th March 2006, 09:47 AM
[tscii:4dae776fe0]Dear all, I add one more song I am enjoying this rainy evening!!

What a romantic song from Shri.Ilayaraja!
‘Kalyana thenila.....’Mounam Sammatham!!
Raaja builds the joyous , romantic mood from the soft prelude!!
What a magical spell with his guitar, flute and tabla -particularly the second interlude is ENCHANTING!!
The Legend KJJ and Chithra have an amazing chemistry! KJJ is so smooth especially when he sings ‘ theeradha oodalaa then sindhum koodala...’,- Chithra with her sweet voice ‘yen anbu kaadhala....perinbum ...’ Raaja’s divine tabla.!!! Amazingly romantic & hypnotic slow song! Forever linger in your heart!!
Enjoy!
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.4869/

Irresistible charming music indeed! love you Ilayaraja so much![/tscii:4dae776fe0]

baroque
6th March 2006, 10:35 AM
Kalyana thenila..... Raaja has used western instruments in prelude,pallavi and interludes....He did not use percussions. He is using tabla only for charanams!!
Fantastic thread, love to hang around whenever I can!! love vinatha.

baroque
6th March 2006, 10:35 AM
Kalyana thenila..... Raaja has used western instruments in prelude,pallavi and interludes....He did not use percussions. He is using tabla only for charanams!!
Fantastic thread, love to hang around whenever I can!! love vinatha.

swathy
6th March 2006, 11:06 AM
thks baroque for giving more information .

swathy
6th March 2006, 11:11 AM
Aruvadai naal song

Excellent introduction by some mantra by IR. U should always listen the song from the starting.

Chithra will really make u cry. she'll make u to feel it.

especially in the lyrics

kettal tharuven endravan neeye.....

thandhana thandhana humming by IR is too good.

swathy
6th March 2006, 11:13 AM
Kalyana thenila


beautiful melody by IR.

excellent lyrics. can anyone tell me who is the lyricist?

bobgalee
6th March 2006, 11:45 AM
Kalyana Thenila - Lyrics : Pulavar Pulamai Pithan

swathy
6th March 2006, 01:23 PM
thanks bob :-)

Renault
6th March 2006, 07:31 PM
Swathy, Baroque's link to the song made my task easier.. Thanks Baroque.. indeed a fantastic example of yaam petra inbam..

Here are the Lyrics

Movie Name: Paneer Pushpangal
Singer: Balasubramanyam S P, Janaki S
Lyrics: Ilayaraja


Poondhaliraada ponmalar sooda
sindhum panivaadaik kaatril
konjum iru kaadhal nenjam
paadum pudhu raagangal - ini
naalum subakaalangal

(poondhaliraada)

kaadhalai aetrum kaalaiyin kaatrum
neeraith thottu paadum paatum kaadhil pattadhae
vaaliba naalil vaasanaip poovin
vaadai pattu vaadum nenjil ennam suttadhae
koadigalaasai koodiyapoadhu koodum nenjamae koalamittadhae
thaedidudhae penpaavai nenjam

(poondhaliraada)

poomalar soodum poomaram yaavum
boadhai kondu bhoomi thannai poojai seyyudhae
pooviralaalum ponnidhazhaalum
poovai ennam kaadhal ennum inbam seiyudhae
poomalar thoovum punniya maegam ponnai alludhae vannam
neyyudhe

aengidudhae ennaasai ennam

(poondhaliraada)


Not sure whether the lyrics are really by the Maestro himself.. I will check that in Maestro Yahoo groups and get back here.. Lyrics are amazing.

Baroque, can you elaborate on the Counterpoint melody aspect in this song? That is an interesting observation.

Maestro is a REAL MASTER in Counterpoint songs.. eg: En Kanmani.. Un Kaadhali song from Chittukuruvi.

Once we are done with this song.. we can move on to Devanin Kovil and Kalyana thenila.

Amazing collections we have here..

app_engine
6th March 2006, 07:34 PM
Baroque: R u sure it is by Janaki. I guess Umaramanan but Iam not sure. Pls clarify.

agmark Janaki:-) poonthaLirAda is probably among the top 25 songs of SPB-SJ-IR...excellent guitar work. chorus mattum konjam sophisticated'A irundhAl, it will make it to top 5:-))

Renault
6th March 2006, 07:35 PM
In fact I remember in an interview with Gangai Amaran shown on TV, I saw a Panner Pushpangal 75 days trophy. Those days movies running for 75 days is no big deal.. byt if they can celebrate 75 days for Panneer Pushpangal, that movie can said to be closer to everyone's heart including Ilayaraja and Gangai Amaren.

For someone who may not be knowing, this was the first movie of both P Vasu and Santhana Bharathi as they made directorial debuts jointly..

Renault
6th March 2006, 07:35 PM
In fact I remember in an interview with Gangai Amaran shown on TV, I saw a Panner Pushpangal 75 days trophy. Those days movies running for 75 days is no big deal.. but if they can celebrate 75 days for Panneer Pushpangal, that movie can said to be closer to everyone's heart including Ilayaraja and Gangai Amaren.

For someone who may not be knowing, this was the first movie of both P Vasu and Santhana Bharathi as they made directorial debuts jointly..

baroque
6th March 2006, 08:37 PM
Counterpoint melody:
The technique of combining two or more melodic lines in such a way that they bring a harmonic relationship while they are distinct , retaining their individuality!
That is melodies in conjunction with another!
Basically different, distinctly contrasting melody lines but run as parallel elements!

baroque
7th March 2006, 06:51 AM
[tscii:6bd53bfb66]With that idea of Counterpoint in mind, I listen the song ‘poonthalir aada....’ one more time....
In the prelude ‘the chorus and the guitar’ counterpoint followed by Balu divinely starts ‘poonthalir aada....’ and the second interlude is phenomenal , very memorable two guitars playing different melodies, then first guitar stops ,the chorus humming starts while the second guitar continues at the back and chorus ends while violin , flute and the guitar all play together!!
In the first interlude also chorus-guitar counterpoint!! The entire song is MIND- BLOWING!!
Lets swim in the Ocean of Raaja’s musical bliss!!![/tscii:6bd53bfb66]

swathy
7th March 2006, 12:34 PM
Excellent baroque

Thanks a lot :-)

swathy
7th March 2006, 12:34 PM
thks renault for the lyrics :-)

Sanjeevi
7th March 2006, 02:52 PM
[tscii:3830b4725e]With that idea of Counterpoint in mind, I listen the song ‘poonthalir aada....’ one more time....
In the prelude ‘the chorus and the guitar’ counterpoint followed by Balu divinely starts ‘poonthalir aada....’ and the second interlude is phenomenal , very memorable two guitars playing different melodies, then first guitar stops ,the chorus humming starts while the second guitar continues at the back and chorus ends while violin , flute and the guitar all play together!!
In the first interlude also chorus-guitar counterpoint!! The entire song is MIND- BLOWING!!
Lets swim in the Ocean of Raaja’s musical bliss!!![/tscii:3830b4725e]

None other than Raja can't create such magic

Sanjeevi
7th March 2006, 02:59 PM
Alli thantha boomi annai allava
Solli thana vanam thanthai allava

Malasia Vasudevan at his best

tvsankar
8th March 2006, 03:06 PM
Good song Sanjeevi!!!

My choice is 'Raasavae unnai vida maten
Enna analum acham vida maten
Oyamalae mazhai thooralam
pogadhaiya un yosanai!! - Aranmanai Kili!!

Beautiful composition!!! S.Janaki in rendition nal, song in beauty ai feel panna mudiyum!! Another nice one in IR Music by SJ!!

Miga azhagana Lead guitar!!! Simple but great beat!!

Technical people pl tell something about this song!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

swathy
8th March 2006, 03:12 PM
beautiful song ushakka

humming will be good. very good melody song.

selvakumar
8th March 2006, 05:24 PM
"Raasaathi Onna Kaanaatha nenju kaathaadi pole aaduthu

Pozhuthaagi pochu vizhakkethi aachu, Pon maanaae Onna theduthu"

buggle
8th March 2006, 07:14 PM
usha akka another song i like in that movie is vaanmathiyae..
once again SJ had given life to that song with her solo rendition.
Also base guitar played a important role in that song..

Long live Raja...you really make our day delightful and it happened in many instances...

Tail-piece...
My 3 year old son loves karupoora bommai ondru from Keladi kanmani..we started singing this song during bed time when he was 3 months old and till now he wanted the same song...
That is the power of Raja...

swathy
8th March 2006, 07:45 PM
other songs from the same movie

raathriyil paadum paatu
amman koil kumbam ingedi
adi poonguiliye
en thai ennum koiliyai kakka marandhitta paaviyedi kiliye

buggle
8th March 2006, 08:09 PM
i used to get tears many times on hearing the en thai ennum kovilai...too touchy song

tvsankar
9th March 2006, 12:20 PM
Dear Swathy and buggle,
Thanks for the responses!! akkavaga - Ungal anubuku sandhoshapadugiren!!!!

Aranmanai kili - anaithu padalgalum great!!!

Buggle - Karpoora bommai onru - ennduaiya favoruite dhan idhuvum!!!


Inraiya song:

Film : Jonny

Song : Oru iniya manadhu isaiyai
azahithu sellum!!

Jency in mazhalai tamil enaku migavum pidikum.
Picturisation is so good.Azhagana Sri Devi!! Simple and innocent face udan Sri Devi paduvadhalayae enaku indha song romba pidikum.

Director - Mahendran!! Avar taste therindhu azhagaga tune pottu irupar IR!! Great violin, flute ellam!!! Jency padiyadhalayae padal konjam adhigama nanraga irupadaga naan feel pannuven!!

With LOve,
Usha Sankar.

swathy
9th March 2006, 02:13 PM
very good melody song


even in johhny all songs will be good

buggle
9th March 2006, 08:55 PM
Esp in karpoora bommai ondru i admire these words..

"thai anbirkae eedethamma, aagayam boomi athu pothathu
thai pola yaar vanthalumae , un thayai polae athu aagathu"

I guess it might be vaali's lyrics..

kalnayak
10th March 2006, 11:14 AM
I cannot avoid mentioning this song after mentioning the songs 'Karpoora Bommai ondru' and 'En Thayenum Kovilai' - "Naanaaga naanillai Thaye, Nalvazhvu thanthaaye neeye" What a great song? Soothing melody, still fresh in my mind after 25 years. :)

rajasaranam
10th March 2006, 11:27 AM
Why is this thread running amuck :? with everyone coming up with his own choices and no sensible discussion going on regarding the songs.
I Prefer 'Swathy' the thread starter to moderate this thread. :)
Swathy you should visit here everyday and post a song and others can follow with their contribution or opinions over that song so that this thread can turn into a healthy one :thumbsup:

swathy
10th March 2006, 12:36 PM
Thanks rajasaranam. I'll do the same.

swathy
10th March 2006, 12:43 PM
Date: March 10
Song: Enthan Nenjil neengatha thendral nee thana
Singers: K.J.Yesudas,S.Janaki
Movie: Kalaingan
Director:
Banner:
Year of release: 1993

My Comments:
One of my favorites list. Very good tune. beautiful lyrics. I like the male humming followed by swaras a lot.


Request to hubbers: Please post your song atleast one day after this song in the same format or you can pm the same to me. Thanks for your support :-)

buggle
10th March 2006, 09:33 PM
Mr.rajasaranam,
sorry if i keep steering in some other direction regd the songs.
but just to let u know they are some individual feelings and hope u respect them....

Sanjeevi
10th March 2006, 09:57 PM
Dear swathy @ raja rasigai,

Nice song.

Renault
11th March 2006, 04:10 PM
Some of my thoughts on this wonderful song:

1. Excellent picturisation. Raja loves his songs to be picturised well and has also commended BarathiRaja and Vamsi (Telugu) as couple of directors who picturise his songs well.

2. Kamal Hassan... IMHO, Rajinikanth has been a greatest beneficiary of amazing songs gifted by the Maestro than for Kamal. Songs like today's pick are a certain exception.

3. Interspersed in one of the interludes will be a male voice, gelling well with the music. Can someone throw light on the singer. I guess it is VS Narasimhan, who also should have sung a similar bit in Raja Paarvai (Andhi Mazhai).

Overall, yet another film that goes as great songs by Maestro for a flop movie.. sadly, this time for a Kamal starrer.

swathy
12th March 2006, 05:43 PM
Thanks sanjeevi, renault :-)

swathy
12th March 2006, 05:47 PM
Date: March 12
Song: Chittanchittan kuruvi unakku thane
Singers: Janaki, Mano
Movie: Pudhu nellu Pudhu nathu
Director: Barathiraja
Banner:
Year of release: 1991

My Comments: Raja and Raja combinataion does not require special comments. It reflects the nativity. excellent song. S.Janaki's modulation is too good.

Renault
12th March 2006, 06:46 PM
Swathy, I guess the source for today's pick was the movie itself that was telecasted in one of the channels yesterday.

Co-incidentally I was watching Aavaram Poo in one of the channels around the same time. No points for guessing what song I was waiting to watch in that movie... Of course, our first song in this thread.

Coming back to today's pick, nativity is one strong factor for this song and in fact all songs in this movie. I thought Janaki's voice suited Sukanya well, begining with this song and following up with few other songs in Chinna Goundar, Chinna Maapillai, Walter Vetrivel, etc. May be this song was a trend-setter for a female lead's voice gelling well with a particular actress.

baroque
13th March 2006, 05:54 AM
[tscii:dc8cb93407]Enthan nenjil neengatha.....KJJ & Janaki from Kalaigan!
A slow tempo magical mystique from shri.Ilayaraja! Raaja zigzagging in his aalapana ‘s g r m g r s n....’ is fascinating!!! KJJ delivers the song with his resonant voice matches Janaki’s vibrance!! Romantic indeed! Love you Ilayaraja! Vinatha![/tscii:dc8cb93407]

swathy
13th March 2006, 08:27 AM
Swathy, I guess the source for today's pick was the movie itself that was telecasted in one of the channels yesterday.



Exactly. do u know how much i long to watch a movie like this that reflects our nativity. The movie starts by raja's voice itself. salangai satham kekkudhamma. all the songs in the movie are good.

swathy
14th March 2006, 08:49 AM
Date: March 14
Song: Oh Vasantha raja
Singers: SPB,S.Janaki
Movie: Neengal Kettavai
Director: Balumahendra
Banner:
Year of release:

My Comments: Can anyone please tell me the instrument used in the introduction. very good start. beautiful song. I expect more comments from you all :-)

Renault
14th March 2006, 08:30 PM
Swathy, yet another song that matches my taste with yours and certainly it will with others in this thread as well.

It is a good question to ask on the intrument. I just think it could be a winged instrument like a strange trumpet.


I remember watching this movie just for the songs.. pretty ordinary movie from a genious like Balu Mahendra.

Shall come back more on this song.

swathy
15th March 2006, 08:53 AM
Thanks renault :-)

ananth222
17th March 2006, 12:45 AM
Not much activity on this thread for a few days...
I liked the songs, most of which I hadn't particularly noticed before.
I was listening to one such song for the first time today, and I thought, why not add it to this thread?

Song: Andhi varum neram
Singers: SPB, S Janaki
Film: Mundhanai Mudichi (1983)

Its got all the usual IR mix, great melody, great violin orchestration, trademark IR chorus intro...
hope you like this song

MIO link:
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.4822/

swathy
17th March 2006, 08:27 AM
good song ananth. actually I was waiting for more feedback for the previous song.

very good melody by IR. This movie also has got other good songs like velakku vacha nerathila thanananana , chinnajchiru kiliye , naan pudikkum mappillai than .

title song by IR is a very good start for the movie. I really miss now. :cry:

ananth222
17th March 2006, 11:16 AM
the song is in mayamalavagowla, one of IR's favorite raagas.
this scale has flat dha and sharp ni
In the middle of the charanam ("neeraduthu..." part) he uses both sharp dha and flat ni, going to some derivative of chakravaakam I think, another of his favorite raagas. Then he goes back to mayamalavagowla, its beautiful.
The song keeps sounding better and better the more I hear it!

btw raaga has a better quality recording of the song:
http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000344.html

thumburu
17th March 2006, 02:18 PM
Hi ananth, Iam wondering at the sheer coincidence. Just now I posted in IR's album thread about IR's MMG in the song "enga ooru laila" from Karagaatakkari and here you are talking about the same MMG raga!!!

ananth222
17th March 2006, 08:27 PM
Hi ananth, Iam wondering at the sheer coincidence. Just now I posted in IR's album thread about IR's MMG in the song "enga ooru laila" from Karagaatakkari and here you are talking about the same MMG raga!!!

I think its no coincidence - it just goes to show IR's mastery over this beautiful raaga!
I don't think any composer (except possibly Tyagaraja himself) has produced more beauties in this raaga. This culminates in IR's arrangement of "thulasidala" in HTNI - an incredible composition in MMG by Tyagaraja arranged for violin quartet by IR - it is impossible without an intimate knowledge of the raaga.
some of his other masterpieces in this raaga are the great "poongathavae" in nizhalgal, "kaadhal kavidhaigal padithidum neram", "senthaazham poovil vanthaadum thendral" etc.

swathy
18th March 2006, 01:31 PM
Date: March 18
Song: Oliyile therivadhu devadaiya
Singers: Karthik , Pavatharini
Movie: Azhagi
Director: Thangar bachan
Year of release: 2001

My Comments: Azhagi is a beautiful poem written by Thangar bachan with the major support by IR. Background score is amazing. Regarding this particular song, it starts in a very good situation where the audience doesn't expect a song. Excellent melody beat.

Renault
18th March 2006, 02:22 PM
I guess we might have lots of dicsussions on this due to its recent-ness.

The movie Azhagi can be considered as one among the best movies ever made in Tamil cinema and also a trend-setter for off-beat movies doing well commercially. Thanks to this, we now have Bala, Ameer, Selva Raghavan and Ameer giving us good quality off-beat movies .. interestingly all these directors having great support from music directors (Maestro and Yuvan).

This song gave singer Karthik the break in his career and he is thankful to Maestro even today for this song. The beauty of this song is the gelling of the singers voices (inckluding Bhavatharini's) with the subtly background instrumental music interludes.

IR seems to have hugged Thangar after seeing the movie in the preview show and this should one among Maestro's personal favorites.

This song incidentally was written by Ilayaraja as he did for all songs in this movie.
Shall we say this as a Ilayaraja Movie !!!

Cheers

swathy
20th March 2006, 09:17 AM
sure we can say it as IR movie . :-)

The theme music , other songs like un kuthama , pattu solli also the mini song for the temple festival are excellent.

swathy
20th March 2006, 04:18 PM
Date: March 20
Song: kombula poova suthi
Singers: Kamalji and chorous
Movie: Virumaandi
Director: Kamlaji
Banner: Rajkamal
Year of release: 2004

My Comments: For a change today a different song. Kamalji said in his interview I saw raja dancing and enjoying in the studio after 25 years. Very good situation. very well supported by kamalji and the lyrics. main speciality is ofcourse nativity. :clap: :thumbsup:

rajasaranam
20th March 2006, 06:37 PM
Nice pick swathy,
This was one of the best album in recent years from IR. though 'kombula Poova suthi' was overshadowed by the success of 'Unnai Vida'. This song is a complete entertainer with its folk flavour and some mix of western music. The trumpets and snare drums? which have come into India with the british and got rooted into our culture has been used well in this song. the chorus and blaring trumpets really takes us to the festive plane and soars up our spirits. No wonder Raja was dancing in the studio while recording this song. :)
another song which went unnoticed was 'Karumaathur kaatukulle' since it got cut in the movie. :cry: This song has nine different rhythm patterns unfolding one after the other as the storyteller proceeds telling the story with all those emotions.And all those nine patterns are a gem from Raja upholding our tamil folk culture.
And nevertheless the hard rock 'Andha kaandamani'/'Karpagraham vittu' with those fused voices and IR's voice topping them all. A very good feast from the One and Only Raja :)

Renault
20th March 2006, 06:59 PM
I have an interesting tale to share here with regards to this song..

One of my colleagues in work place is a strange guy. He stopped watching tamil movies in 1995 as he became an avid english movie watcher. For that matter, he doesn't even know the so-called "Vijay" and "Ajith" in the industry.

He happened to listen to this song one-day when he accidentally tuned to a local fm channel in his car audio. He got so fascinated by this song that he was singing this all the time for at least two-weeks..

"Awesome song daa" was his comment all the time we discuss this song..

He pressurised me to give him all possible sources for this song.. I gave him my cd and also a link in Coolgoose.com for him to listen in office.. Such is Raja's reach.

Adding to Rajasaranam's and Swathy's comments on this song.. Kamal said that he saw 16 vayathiniley Raja while composing this song :)

Sadly, only half of this song will be picturised considering the importance given to the dual-narrative screenplay the movie had.

Virumandi incidentally had a great BGM as a title score.. which was not released at all.. I still remembe that, despite I have heard that only once in Satyam theatre way back in Jan 2004.

swathy
21st March 2006, 10:09 AM
one more gem from this movie is maada vilakkai yaaru ippo. I used to hear this song only in my office as my mother won't allow to play at home :cry:

swathy
21st March 2006, 04:29 PM
Date: March 21
Song: En Pattu En Pattu nenjil nikkum poongathu
Singers: Ilaiyaraja
Movie: Poomani
Director:
Banner:
Year of release:

My Comments: I fall for IR voice. This solo song by IR is toooo good. beautiful melody.

rajasaranam
21st March 2006, 07:04 PM
Dear swathy,
I have no comments on this song, Except Quoting a line from the song
'Adi Maanae Un Nenja Thovaikira Raagam ithu....' :)

swathy
22nd March 2006, 09:14 AM
Dear swathy,
I have no comments on this song, Except Quoting a line from the song
'Adi Maanae Un Nenja Thovaikira Raagam ithu....' :)



:clap: :clap:

thank you rajasaranam :-)

rocketboy
24th March 2006, 06:40 AM
Date: March 24

Song: Poovil Kandu

Film: Kaadhal Oviam

Director:bhaarathiraja

Cast:raadha,kannan

swathy
24th March 2006, 08:48 AM
classical song. all the songs in the movie are excellent. good pick rocket :-)

buggle
25th March 2006, 01:27 AM
Kaadhal oviyam as a movie failed miserably in the BO.
But i did like the way BR directed that, esp the climax...
Coming to songs in that movie, IR gave life to this movie thru his songs...
esp naadham en jeevanae (all time SJ hit) and nadhiyil aadum poovanam - the song starts with soundaryalahari slokam(SPB recite it) and then SJ humming starts in-between and she continue to start the pallavi..incredible creativity from IR.

Can someone shed more stories/news about this movie, if they have ???

rocketboy
25th March 2006, 06:58 AM
Date: March 25

Song: Veenaiku

Film: Maanickam

Director:

Cast : Rajkiran (I'm not sure )

swathy
25th March 2006, 09:31 AM
Beautiful song rocket. But small corrections in the details

movie: Ellame en raasa than

director: Rajkiran


Karthikraja composed music for manickam :-)

Rajkiran is one of the luckiest person who was much benefited by IR. This song is an excellent song sung by IR himself.

Veenaikku veenai kunju
naathathil naatha pinju
vilayada mannil vara pogudhu

good choice :clap:

rocketboy
26th March 2006, 04:19 AM
date: 26 th march

song: anjali anjali

film: anjali

dir:

cast: revathi ,raghuvaran, some child artiste whose name starts with 's'.

"Kanne unmel mekamthan
panneer thoovi neeraattum"
thulli thaavum maankutti
solli solli thaalaattum"

Renault
26th March 2006, 02:49 PM
RocketBoy, I thought that Swathy had the license to start new song of the days... as Rajasaranam once mentioned. I too like the thought of Swathy controlling this thread..

Considering today's song.. all songs of Anjali for that matter was way ahead of its times.. even today Usha Uthup sings Megham Megham song on stage.

Anjali is Raja's miestone movie as well.. (500th I guess) and Nayagan was his 400th. I pray Mani Ratnam to comeback to Raja...

rocketboy
26th March 2006, 04:30 PM
As you wish renault . I'll stay away from this thread. :)

Renault
26th March 2006, 08:36 PM
Rocketboy, I didn't want you to stay away from this thread. I want you to participate in discussing Maestro's creations as we all do.

Since Swathy initiated this thread, I am re-iterating Rajasaranam's words: " I prefer 'Swathy' the thread starter to moderate this thread".

Waiting for the next song.. Swathy.

swathy
27th March 2006, 09:01 AM
Date: March 26
Song: En Veetu jannal yetti yen pakkure
Singers: Pavatharini, **
Movie: Raman Abdulla
Director: Balumahendra
Year of release: 1998

My Comments: Classic song . I enjoy the line marudhani araichu vachen manja thanni karachu vachen rani rani. I guess the male singer is Mano. Can anyone help me in filling the details.

Rocket: Thanks for your active participation and we wish to continue the same :-)

Sanjeevi
27th March 2006, 01:44 PM
swathy, that song is my fav too. I guess the male singer is Arun mozhi not Mano

vasanth2006
27th March 2006, 04:25 PM
swathy, that song is my fav too. I guess the male singer is Arun mozhi not Mano

Singers for that song : Arun mozhi && Bhavatharini

there is no doubt.

Renault
27th March 2006, 06:57 PM
Nice song. This song can be regarded as one fo the best of Bhavatharini.
The movie had a different genre of songs overall.. a pleasant relief from those gaana song days.

swathy
28th March 2006, 03:36 PM
Date: March 28
Song: Enge sellum indha paadhai yaaro yaaro arivaaro
Singers: IR
Movie: Sethu
Director: Bala
Year of release: 1999

My Comments: When I saw the movie for the first time, I don't have any clue about the story. The moment I saw Vikram in paandi madam with this song in the background, I am sorry I lack words to explain my feelings in that few minutes. Lyrics are really good. I guess it's penned by arivumathi. I am not sure about the lyricist, please someone help me. I like these lines

"Kaanaum kanavugalil inbam inbam
unmai adharkku vegu dhooram dhooram"

I promise my next pick will be from 80s. :D

rajasaranam
28th March 2006, 06:43 PM
Swathy,
you seem to be younger in age compared to some hubbers here :) Hence your picks are from Raja's 90's songs i think. I would rather pick songs from 80's and early 90's. Now coming to the song.
The movie Sethu is the only movie which ran for more than a year in preview theatres itself. None of the distributors were ready to buy the movie. After much hardships the film was released and it received some lukewarm response. But suddenly after 2-3 weeks when the magazines and channels started praising the movie as one of its kind... The movie became a smashing hit.
I didnt know any of the songs till i went to the movie after 3 weeks of its release. The movie was just an ordinary movie until it reaches its purpose at Pandimadam. all songs until then like kanakarunkuyilae, Maalai en vedhanai, sikkatha chitondru, were ordinary nos. and this one song 'Engae sellum intha paadhai' with the mesmerising voice of Raja coupled with the moving images on the screen takes the movie to greater heights and rest is history. Already left with a heavy heart the master craftsmen Bala and Raja gives us more pain with 'Vaarthai thavari vittai' ....We leave the cinema halls not able to withstand the dismay and grief of the Hero as though it had happened to us. Later on We know this is after all cinema but still the pain of the movie lingers on making it an unforgettable one in the annals of tamil cinema.
If not for these two songs I seriously doubt whether the movie would have served its purpose and become a hit. No wonder Bala Introduced 'Pithamagan' in the titles as 'With the Grand Music of Maestro Ilaiyaraaja'. He is definitely Indebted to Raja as we are :)

Renault
28th March 2006, 07:06 PM
Rajasaranam, Bala infact included "'With the Grand Music of Maestro Ilaiyaraaja'" in Sethu as well. But that was because Maestro was the only selling element in the movie that time.

Like a Rajini / Kamal movie.. it can be rightly called an Ilayaraja movie..

I liked your comments on this song and more on Vaarthai thavari vittai.. I saw this movie in Albert.. and I left with a heavy heart.

I guess Raja should have inserted these two songs on his own and to add more impact he sang those himself.

rajasaranam
28th March 2006, 08:44 PM
Renault,
thanks. But isnt that what Raja's music all about :?: Moves along with the movie - sometimes subtle sometimes overpowering but always Elevating or Enhancing the scenes. His songs are extension of this and merges with the scene perfectly and create the required mood,feelings or effect for the viewer/Listener. May be its melancholy, Happiness, love, or whatever the feeling need to be generated his music does that. He is the only MD who can express the innermost feelings through music. He has never bothered to create a hit music but always bothered about the emotions that need to be filled up in the songs which will gel with the movie.

coming back to the Song 'Engae sellum' It starts off suddenly with almost no prelude and comes in the maestro's voice. that itself creats the first impact that needs to be generated. the voice filled with grief and sadness follow the visitors going to the pandimadam...just one line till the end of 'Yaaro yaaro arivaar' rendered once there comes the choral cry 'ohoohoooooho' and violins to gel with the feeling of the viewers...Us. It is as though Raja is standing right there near the screen and singing and explaining the sadness experienced by the characters playing in the screen and transfering it to us and asking us to join in.

The music transcends to another plane with some percussions playing softly and a flute following the grief after each line is rendered by maestro. The first interlude has some amazing layers of violins playing two different tunes and a small bit near the end with veena. He keeps the first 'Charanam' with the same rhythm added with bell sounds and a veena joining in only once and ending with the flute. He heightens the sadness thro his voice in this charanam. it is more crying than the beginning.

Unlike the lenghty first interlude he keeps the second interlude short with violins and flute and extending it with the Choral cry. The shortening of this interlude is perhaps he wanted to keep us tightly packed with already created emotions and wanted no musical wizardry to jeopardize it. The second charanam is almost a replica of the first one with lyrics changed and the emotions heightened with words like 'Man ketta antha mazhai pozhiyum?
Megam pozhiyamal povathundaa...
Karai Ketta antha alaigal varum?
Alaigal thazhuvaamal povanthundaa...
Kaneer mazhai unthan munnae munnae...
Kaathal mazhayai pozhi kannae kannae...
En uyirae oooh en uyirae'
Now listen to the first charanam again and we can find the difference. Its being sung by Raja himself to us telling the tale of sethu.
'Oorai vittu oo.. oar kudisai
Angae yaar sendru poattuvaithaar
Kaathalilae oar paithiyamae
Sorgam athuvendrae katti vaithaan
Kaanum kanavugalil inbam inbam
Unmai atharkku vegu thooram thooram
Kaathal endraal ooo vedhanayaa...'
the second Charanam is sung by Sethu to abi and finally asking her to join her as a 'Vazhithunai' .

the transition from Raja singing and sethu singing happens thro us via the choral cry. We find ourselves amidst the happenings and Raja makes us take part in the drama.We are no more the viewers/listeners We are one among the people included in the manifestation of human drama and emotions happening in the screen.
With simple lyrics and minimal musical instruments he can unfold our innermost emotions. That is the genius of Raja. :)

jaiganes
28th March 2006, 09:48 PM
This movie was remade in Telugu and Kannada. It didn't do as well in Telugu as it did in Kannada. One main reason my kannada friend told me was that The kannada producers insisted on having this song in their version as well. Only difference being KJY's voice instead of Raja's. You hear them both, you would feel that KJY's version is allright , but that heart pounding impact is only there in Raja's voice.

rajasaranam
28th March 2006, 10:11 PM
JG,
the movie was also remade in hindi and salman played the lead role. I believe the movie would have been a flop whether it contained Raja's music or not as the hindi audience are devoid of emotional impact that permeates the boundaries of South India :lol:

swathy
29th March 2006, 09:33 AM
Thanks rajasaranam , jaiganes and renault :-)

Few said that now IR is aged and his songs are not like before. I selected the recent hits just to prove that his age didn't make any difference in the music and thank u very much for such a detailed description for the song.

Sure my next pick will be from 80s or even before :-)

njv
29th March 2006, 09:42 AM
JG,
the movie was also remade in hindi and salman played the lead role. I believe the movie would have been a flop whether it contained Raja's music or not as the hindi audience are devoid of emotional impact that permeates the boundaries of South India :lol:

rajasaranam sir

tere naam was a big hit and it brought back salmaan khan back into mainstream bollywood. they have given some modern look during the first half of the movie. songs are also good (not great).

no one attempted pithamagan though. it may not run well in bollywood. many of my bengali friends loved the movie though. may be it is worth dubbing/remaking in bengal. definitely keep "ilam kaathu veesudhu" song.

rocketboy
29th March 2006, 10:01 AM
rajasaranam sir,
your comments are noteworthy. i always wonder how you are able to discuss at length about a single song. :) :clap: :clap:

also my :clap: :clap: to swathy , renault and others for their active participation which makes this thread one among the best in this hub.

swathy
29th March 2006, 10:26 AM
thanks rocket :-)

swathy
29th March 2006, 02:05 PM
Date: March 29
Song: Rojavai thalattum thendral
Singers: SPB, S.Janaki
Movie: Ninaivellam Nithya
Director: Sridhar
Year of release: 198*

Renault
29th March 2006, 08:25 PM
Great pic once again.

This film will go into records as the one with all hit songs.. and amazing as well.

I have an interesting news to share here with regards to this song as well:

In one of my earlier work place a friend of mine used to work beside me. He is a hard-core English songs freak and doesn't even think about tamil songs never mind listening them.

There came Valentine Day and our man (obviously in Love with someone) celebrated the day with this song in his win-amp played in infinite loop. Trust me.. none of us in office got irritated with repeated listenings (me, not of curse, anyways).

I am re-iterating Raja's magical touch in People with the REAL SOUL STIRRING MUSIC.

That day, Raja's music gave him hapiness than any wstern song could do.

buggle
30th March 2006, 06:26 AM
Does anyone have this song ?
sollayo vai thiranthu from the movie Moghamul
I am looking at the version sung by SJanaki, i can find the one from Sreekumar in coolgoose, but not able to find SJ version anywhere...
Any help is appreciated

baroque
30th March 2006, 10:59 AM
[tscii:65f354fe25]Rojavai thaalatum thendral.....
What an exquisite melody from Shri.Ilayaraja!
Romance romance romance in the air!!

The song begins with tabla rhythm followed by Janaki’s haunting humming! Raaja’s usage of guitar chords , haunting flute, violin in the interludes... Heavenly! Tabla and guitar rhythm give support in pallavi and charanams.

‘Mounamae sammadham endru oo theendudhey manmadha vandu oh
paarththaalae thalladum poonchchendu
Vasandhangal vaazhthum pozhudhu unadhu kilaiyil poovaven
ilaiyudhir kaalam muzhudhum unakku magizhindu veraaven’

What a flawless aesthetic singing by Balu and Janaki! Orchestration - pure elegance! Enjoy - vinatha.[/tscii:65f354fe25]

baroque
30th March 2006, 11:06 AM
[tscii:ad0f997e2d]Talking of Raaja's guitar chords , a song I enjoyed today.....

Poovey Sempoovey.....!! What a High Class composition from Raaja!
I love this song forever! Raaja’s haunting flute with guitar stringing sets the mood.... then starts the pallavi- KJJ’s lovely, enchanting voice effectively communicates the mood!! Tabla, good amount of veena, violin, great guitaring throughout the song, soothing flute, both the charanams followed by pallavi before the dramatic interludes !! Don’t forget to enjoy the guitaring at the back through out the song and postlude haunting flute with the same!!

I thoroughly adore the lyrics.....

naan seydha paavam ennoadu poagum
nee vaazhndhu nandhaan paarththaalae poadhum
innaalum ennaalum ullaasamae.....

What a beautiful, consoling (uplifting) tale of romance!!

nizhal poala naanum nadai poada neeyum
thodarginra sondham nedungaala bandham
kadal vaanam kooda niram maarak koodum
manam konda paasam thadam maaridaadhu
naan vaazhum vaazhvae unakkaagaththaanae
naal dhoarum nenjil naan aendhum thaenae
ennaalum sangeedham sandhoashamae
vaai paesidum pullaanguzhal
needhaanoru poovin madal....Poovey...

Raaja’s unhurried approach to melody , music fully conveys the mood!![/tscii:ad0f997e2d]

baroque
31st March 2006, 05:26 AM
[tscii:a0d36c091b]Two more heart melting beauties I enjoyed this evening....

1. Chinna chinna solleduthu..... Raajakumaran- KJJ & Janaki! Raaja conveys the intense, poignant separation feeling beautifully. I need to watch this movie to enjoy more the POWER of Raaja’s lofty composition!

2. Varam thandha samikku...... Sippikkul muthu.

What a blissful lullaby from Raaja! Susheela sang this song with poise! [/tscii:a0d36c091b]

swathy
31st March 2006, 02:00 PM
Date: March 31
Song: Idhayam oru koil
Singers: SPB/Ilaiyaraja
Movie: Idhaya koil
Director: Manirathnam
Year of release: 198*

tvsankar
31st March 2006, 03:30 PM
Dear Swathy,
Nice pick!!!! Great Composition!!!! Beautiful lyrics!!! Ketka ketka alukatha, manadhai varudum oru iniya isai!!!
SPB and IR - irandu perum super aga paadi irupargal!! Analum enaku IR version dhan miga miga miga miga pidikum.........

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

Renault
31st March 2006, 05:13 PM
Usha Sankar.

U hit the nail straight on the head. Almost everyone to whom I talk about this song, likes only the Ilayaraja version.

I guess this should have been a track number sung by the Maestro himself and was retained by the producer/director echoing the global thought that Maestro's version is a gem.

Swathy, excellent pick once again. This thread is picking momentum due to your good selections and nice comments from the likes of Rajasaranam and Baroque.

I will probably invite one person, one with sound technical knowledge in music to participate in this thread.

Whenever I read his comments on a particular Raja song, I just be in awe of Raja's musical genious.

swathy
31st March 2006, 09:27 PM
Thanks Usha akka and renault :-)

Renault: Your comments are also very informative and good.

My thanks to rajasaranam and baroque also.

I welcome your friend to participate in this thread.

I too like IR version. I really don't know to express my feelings.
uyirai ulukkum raagam idhu. unarvai thodum gaanam idhu :-)

buggle
31st March 2006, 10:29 PM
Sollayo(SJ) - Moghamul
I searched all over, still could not find it??? Anyone pls?

baroque
31st March 2006, 10:31 PM
[tscii:cc2879041c]I also wish Knowledgeable participate in this thread write about ‘Chord progressions’ of these awesome songs.....

Anyway ..

Yesterday a krithy reminded me of ‘varam thandha....’ Raaja’s lullaby! Raga Neelambari has a soothing effect invokes Vatsalyam and composed aptly in slow tempo!!

love, Vinatha![/tscii:cc2879041c]

rajasaranam
31st March 2006, 10:34 PM
yes most of us like IR version except some people like Vijayr etc., :D
though SPB has sung well The jeevan or soul of the song resides in IR version. The base or nasal voice of Raja adds great feelings to the song especailly when he sings 'Kaamam theadu ulagilae....till... engae pirivathu' is out of the world soulful rendition from Raja. He has sure put his soul into this song. Thanks for this pick Swathy. :) Iam listening to it after quiet a few days.

tvsankar
1st April 2006, 05:42 PM
Dear Renault and Swathy,
Thanks for the response !!! Ungalukum IR voice pidikum enru therigiradhu!! Nice to hear this!! Pl continue your listings!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

swathy
1st April 2006, 08:20 PM
Date: April 1
Song: Vaa vaa en veenaiye viralodu kobama
Singers: SPB & S.Janaki
Movie: Sattam
Director:
Lyrics:
Year of release: 198*

My comments: Beautiful song.

Thandodu thaamrai aada
vandodu moganam paada
naan paarthadhum
nenjile undhan gyabagam aada

I am sorry I dunno who penned this song. Lyrics added more beauty to the tune.

Yesterday night I watched SUNTV. I dunno when it started and when it ended. NON Stop raja hits without any host, break, not even any details about the songs. I watched for some 4 hours till 3 am. sorry to move away from the subject. this is just an information for IRians :-)

tvsankar
1st April 2006, 11:38 PM
Dear Swathy,
Sattam is by Gangai Amaran!! But nice tune!!
So, nalai IR song sollum podhu, 2 song aga sollunga Swathy!!
:lol:

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

swathy
2nd April 2006, 06:19 PM
sorry usha akka
:cry:

swathy
2nd April 2006, 06:20 PM
Date: April 2
Song: Siru ponmani asaiyum
Singers: IR & S.Janaki
Movie: Kalukkul eeram
Director: Bharathiraja
Lyrics:
Year of release: 198*

Renault
2nd April 2006, 08:09 PM
Another song that can be best remembered for Maestro's voice than for anything else. Not to forget Janaki's innovative singing as well, which coupled tobgether makes this a great experience listening.

Maestro had a very smooth voice when songs like today's pick was sung. Others include the classic Metti Oli from the film Metti.

This song has a grand musical opening and if you want to hear variety of instruments before the pallavi.. come listen to this song..

Overall a rich treat to Raja fans.. this song has some great interludes and an amazing tune that makes listening amazing and pleasing. Songs like this on hearing will make your day.. if you hear first thing in the morning.

Not sure about the song picturisation, but Bharatiraja should have done justice to this song. Another rustic rural song that is very good from the same movie sung by Raja is "Thoppil Oru Naadagam".. where Maestro would have sung for BharatiRaja himself.

Swathy, yet another pick that very much synchs with my taste of Raja's melodies. Keep the good selections going.

tvsankar
3rd April 2006, 09:11 PM
Dear Swathy,
Great pick!!!
IR did terrific compositions in this film!! All the songs are haunting tunes!!!

Siru pon mani had a beautiful thalam!!! Very nice to hear!!! Lyrics by GA i think.Padalin azhagirku azhagu serkriadhu!!


IR and SJ enralae padal ellam nanraga than irukum.... No Chance!
ONe more song in this film

Kothamallil poovae by SJ - Indha padalilum oru amanushayathai unaralam!!!

With Love,
usha Sankar.

swathy
4th April 2006, 09:27 AM
Thanks renault and usha akka :-)

Lets wait for few hours for rajasaranam's comments. :D

swathy
4th April 2006, 01:39 PM
Date: April 4
Song: Nadha vinodhangal
Singers: SPB & Sailaja
Movie: Salangai Oli
Director: K.Vishwanath
Year of release: 1983

My Comments: Beautiful song. Kamalji,IR and SPB is a very good
combination.

swathy
4th April 2006, 01:40 PM
Music notes

Song: naadha vinoadhangal
Film: Salangai oli
Notes: s r2 g2 m1 d2 n2 S


naadha vinoadhangal nadana sandhoashangal
S n d n d m d m g m gr s s

parama sugangal tharumae
d.n.s d.n. s d. n.sg

abhinayam kaanbadhum adhil manam thoayvadhum
SS n d n d m dm g m gr s s

veedu paeru perumae
d.n.s d.n.s d.n.sg

raagangalae...a a a a aa...pazhaguvadhae...a a a a aa...
d.n.s g rg d.n.s g rg d.n. s m grs mg mg r s

raagangalae pazhaguvadhae baavangalae kalaiyasaivae
d.n.s g rg d.n. s m grs d.n.s g rgs d.n. s m grs

kuzhalodu uyarvugal inaiginra thavamidhu
s s r g rr g m gg m d m m d n

(naadha)

Notes: s r1 g3 m1 d2 n3 S
kayilai naadhan nadanam aadum sivaroobam
d S S S S n S S S S n n S dnd

pournami naeram nilavil aadum oli dheepam
m d n dn d m m d m g mm d ndn

navarasa nadanam dhanisari sanisa
d n S R S n S d n S R S n S

jadhi tharum amudham dhanisari sanisa
d.n. s r sn.s d. n.s r s n.s

navarasa nadanam jadhi tharum amudham
d n S R S n S d n S R Sn S

avan vizhi asaivil ezhuthuli asaiyum
d.n. s m gr s d.n.s m gr s

baradhamennum nadanam aa aa
s m g m m g m md1 md1 d1

piravi muzhudhum thodarum aa aa
g m g m d1 m d1 d1 d1Sn d1S n

baradhamennum nadanam piravi muzhudhum thodarum
s m g m m g m md1 g m g m d1 m d1 d1d1Sn

vizhiyoli pozhiyum adhil pagai azhiyum
d1n S R S n S d1n S R Sn S

sivanin nadanam ulagaalum
d1n d1 n S n SR Sn S

dhirana dhirananana dhirana dhirananana
dhirana dhirananana nadanam
dhirana dhirananana dhirana dhirananana
dhirana dhirananana naattiyam
ulagam sivanin thanjam
avan paadhamae pankajam
narththanamae siva kavacham
nataraaja paadham navarasam

dhiranana dhiranana dhiradhira dhiradhira

(naadha)

swathy
5th April 2006, 04:43 PM
y no comments for this song? :roll:

tvsankar
5th April 2006, 08:56 PM
DEar Swathy,
Indha padaluku yarum comments sollavillai!! Nalladhuku kalam illai !!! Ha Ha Ha!! Just for kindal!!!

NIce song Swathy!! This song has nice picturisation!! Because of Kamal, this song has valued something !! IR and Kamal combo - Result is always GREAT !!!


Ennudaiya most favourite song in this movie is, Mounamana neram !!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

Sanjeevi
5th April 2006, 09:47 PM
Kamal kalakki iruppar intha songil.

Awesome dance movements :thumbsup:

rocketboy
5th April 2006, 09:58 PM
is this the same song in which kamal dances with jayapradha.

narayanan
5th April 2006, 11:21 PM
Yes, thats the one rocketboy. I love that 'Dhirana Dhirana' sequence in this song.
~~~~~~
swathy, thanks for reviving Siru Ponmani, I've been hearing for the..erm 60th or 70th time :shock: :)

rocketboy
6th April 2006, 04:19 AM
then let me add an interesting anecdote. many years ago this was film was telecasted in doordarshan. those were the good old days when dd was the only channel that aired tamil movies and that too only on sundays. Te director of the station at that time was probably a north indian. In his frantic bid to contain the film well within the time slot allocated to it he removed this song . many people were clearly dissapointed . my papa too.
the same song was telecasted late in the night on the same day. This song doesn't appeal to me due to its carnatic flavour. nevertheless a good song.

Renault
6th April 2006, 08:05 AM
Adding more to Rocketboy's anecdote... some months back this movie was telecasted in a tamil satellite channel in the afternoon time slot(not the so called TRP monopoly.. suntv).. But this movie was well received that it was telecasted in the night once again.

I was in Mumbai that time and I had to go out in the afternoon.. but I stayed back until the Vaan Poley Vannam Kondu song.. my fav pick in the movie.

But today's song interestingly was my childhood fav. I remember my parents telling me that I used to imitate one of Kamal's dance steps frequently.

Sadly, few people can explain the technical nuances in this son. Swathy, your music notes for this song is amazing.. but could not comprehend it sadly.

Am not blessed to analyze Raja's songs technically.. but am blessed to live in an era where he lives as well. That sums it up all.

swathy
6th April 2006, 04:10 PM
Date: April 6
Song: En Kanmani En Kaadhalee
Singers: Balasubramaniam S.P.,Bhaskar,Kovai Babu,Susheela P.
Movie: Chittu Kuruvi
Director: Devaraj-Mohan
Lyrics: Vaali
Year of release: 1978

swathy
6th April 2006, 04:12 PM
Enn Kanmani ,
Unn kadali,
Ilamangani,
unaiparthathum sirikindathe, sirikindathe
Nan sonna jokai kettu ,
nanamo,
nee Nagasuvai mannanallavooo
NALLA SONNEL PONGOOO...
Enn Mannavan,
Unn Kadalan,
Ennai parthathum,
Orayiram kathai sollkiran, kathai sollkiran
Ammamma innum ketka thoondumoooo
nee rasikindra kanni illayooo...
Enn Kanmani
Iru mangal pesum pothu moli ethamma?
Pirar kadil ketpatharkum vali ethamma?
Oru jodi sernthu sellum payanangalil,
uravandri veru illai kavanangalil,
Ilamamayil,
Arukamayil,
Vanthadum veli inbam kodi endru,
anubavam sollavillaiyooo?
INTHAMMA KARUVATTU KOODAI MUNNALA POOO...
Enn Mannavan,
Unn Kadalan,
Ennai parthathum,
Enn Kanmani
THENAMPETTAI SUPER MARKET IRANGUUU
Methuvaga unnai konjam thodavendumee
Thiru meni engum viralgal pada vendume
Athrkaka neram onru vara vendumeee
Adayala chinnam ondru tharavendumee
Iru tholilum manamalaigal,
Kondadum kalam endru koodumendru,
Thavikkindra thavippennavooo...
Enn Kanmani ,
Unn kadali,
Ilamangani,
unaiparthathum sirikindathe, sirikindathe
Nan sonna jokai kettu ,
nanamo,
nee Nagasuvai mannanallavooo
Enn Mannavan,
Unn Kadalan,
Ennai parthathum,
Orayiram kathai sollkiran, kathai sollkiran
Ammamma innum ketka thoondumoooo
nee rasikindra kanni illayooo...
Enn Kanmani

rocketboy
6th April 2006, 08:22 PM
Am not blessed to analyze Raja's songs technically.. but am blessed to live in an era where he lives as well. That sums it up all.

Renault you echo my sentiments . proud to be a fan of IR. music begins and ends with IR.

app_engine
6th April 2006, 08:44 PM
NALLA SUNDAL PONGOOO...

ammA thAyE, adhu `sundal' illeenga:-))

`nallA sonnEL pOngO':-) (means, 'exactly' or `you said it!')

narayanan
6th April 2006, 09:02 PM
'En Kanmani' is a very sweet 70s love song, the best part being the picturization in Pallavan bus with all kind of disturbances, gives a nostalgic trip down the Mount Road :)

Teynampet supermarket erangu!!! polaam rights (this is my addition ;) )

swathy
7th April 2006, 09:01 AM
NALLA SUNDAL PONGOOO...

ammA thAyE, adhu `sundal' illeenga:-))

`nallA sonnEL pOngO':-) (means, 'exactly' or `you said it!')


hihi even I was confused .

sundalaithan naama ivlon aala sonnelnnu ninachomaannu confuse aayitten :D
I got it from raajangham.

i'll change it and thanks for pointing it out :-)

swathy
7th April 2006, 09:03 AM
Am not blessed to analyze Raja's songs technically.. but am blessed to live in an era where he lives as well. That sums it up all.

Renault you echo my sentiments . proud to be a fan of IR. music begins and ends with IR.

same here. :-)

I got it when I was searching for the year of release .

I posted coz this may help some music gurus here :-)

swathy
7th April 2006, 07:50 PM
Date: April 8
Song: Kinnaththil Then Eduththu
Singers: Janaki. S.,Yesudas.K.J
Movie: Ilamai Oonjal Aadukirathu
Director: Sridhar
Year of release: 1978

Renault
8th April 2006, 07:44 AM
Oops.. just missed the time.. but I still take the liberty to comment on Thursday's SOTD, En Kanmani.

This is probably one of the first songs Maestro has used the COUNTERPOINT theme throughout.

eg: En Kanmani is POINT.. Un Kaadhali is a COUNTERPOINT. Ilayaraja is a master in Counterpoints.

Evn in this thread Baroque had beautifully explained the counterpoint concept, this time etween the musical instruments in the Poonthalir Aaada song.

Wish Baroque participates here to shd more light on this song

swathy
10th April 2006, 04:58 PM
sorry renault

my system at home has got some pblm. so I posted the next song on friday itself from my office.

BTW y no comments for kinnathil....

Renault
10th April 2006, 05:51 PM
Kinnathil Then is an amazing song. Not sure whether this song got its due credit due to the competition it should have faced from Orey Naal Unnai Naan Nilaavil..

This is a well-casted movie in all the sense:

1. Star Cast: Kamal, Rajini, Sri Priya and Jayachitra.. all capable actors

2. Direction: Sridhar

3. MD: Of course Maestro.

But the interesting aspect of this song is a rare duet (Kamal and JayaChitra). Haven't seen Jayachitra duets much.. that too with Maestro's music.


Interestingly Jayachitra went to Raja to score music for her own film that was released in 1991 with Rahman as the hero.


Not much tech inputs I can share here.. may be Rajasaranam, Baroque and Usha akka can share their thoughts on this song.

swathy
11th April 2006, 09:05 AM
Thanks renault :-)

swathy
11th April 2006, 09:06 PM
Date: April 11
Song: Andhi Mazhai Pozhigiradhu
Singers: Balasubramaniam S.P.,Gopalakrishnan T V,Janaki. S.
Movie: Raaja Paarvai
Director: Singeetham Srinivasa Rao
Year of release: 1981


My Comments: Very good start for this song. It is too good to watch in the movie. It starts with a prayer song. humming by T.V .Gopalakrishnan is excellent. I believe he is guruji for IR.Other gems in this movie are azhage azhage and Vizhiyorathu Kanavum. I expect more comments from my gurujis. :D.

Renault
11th April 2006, 09:31 PM
Today's pick can be considered as an all time classic of all Ilayaraja fans. Ask any Raja fan, this song will be in his Raja top ten.

Swathy, spot on comment.. the starting is too good .. for variety it starts with a Mirudangam...and gradually fuses into a more western mode.

Thanks for the name Gopalakrishnan. Did he sing again in Endhan nenjil (Kalaignan)?

I find a semblance in one of the interludes to the interludes in the song Kaadhal Kavithaigal (Gopura Vaasalile).. May be some experts can comment whether both the songs are from the same raaga.


IMHO, Raja has given fantastic songs for Rajini than for Kamal. But this song is a definite exception.

narayanan
12th April 2006, 11:13 AM
Did he sing again in Endhan nenjil (Kalaignan)?

Endhan Nenjil was a Yesudas solo right? or are you talking about the humming inbetween the song?

sriharisrinivasan
12th April 2006, 11:16 AM
" Endhan nenjil " is a duet by KJY and SJ.

swathy
12th April 2006, 02:37 PM
Renault,

I too guess it to be the same person but Iam not sure.

app_engine
12th April 2006, 09:14 PM
TVG also sings in the first interlude of `idhu oru nilAkkAlam' of tik-tik-tik...(`nadhir dhinna dhiranana...'stuff)

swathy
13th April 2006, 09:52 PM
Date: April 13
Song: Sangathil Paadatha Kavithai
Singers: Ilaiyaraaja,Janaki. S.
Movie: Auto Raja
Year of release: 1982

tvsankar
14th April 2006, 03:04 PM
Dear Swathy,
Nice pick!!!

Indha padal tune mudhalil malaiyalm film 'Oolangl" la vandhadhu. Song 'Thumbi vaa thumba kudathu"
S.Janaki padiyadhu.Situation theiryavillai.Anal padal ketkum podhu, oru amma than kuzhandiayudan padavuadhu pol thonum!!

Sangathil padadha -- idhu oru duet song !!! Beautiful song!! But very very very ordinary picturisastion!!!

3vadhu tune in HIndi film - Oru jolly ana padal by group of kids!!! Situation theiryavillai - anal jolly excursion ku pogum podhu paduvadhu pol enaku thonum!!

Orae tune ai different mood ku matrum azhagu Rajavuku kai vandha kalai!!

Naan sonna indha 3 padalaiyum aduthu aduthu kettal dhan IR in COMPOSING VALUE vai unara mudiyum.

3 tuneum same enra feelings nichayam varadhu.Ellam vera vera padal madhiri dhan feel panna vaikum!!

Feelings and Mood ku enru tune podum IR - Nichayam RAJA dhan!!! Netru ilali nalai illai eppavum naan RAJA!!
Idhu nichayaum IR KU 100% match agum - MOOD AND FEELINGS
ENRU TUNE PODUM RAJAVUKU!!!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

bingleguy
14th April 2006, 03:13 PM
:clap:

swathy
14th April 2006, 04:27 PM
excellent usha akka.


in tamil its a beautiful romantic song.



when the guy describes about the girl the girl interrupts out of shy just by humming. classic one by janaki.

narayanan
14th April 2006, 06:55 PM
'Sangathil Padaadha Kavidhai' :) wonderful song I say.

I actually liked the Malayalam version first ('Vezhambal Kezhum' from the same movie is a wonderful song and happens to be my favourite :P), its actually a lot more instrumental. Sangathil has importance to lyrics.

I love this small piece where Ilayaraja says 'Sindhithen payginra amudhai' and Janaki repeats 'Sindhi then payginra amudhai'..that part is too good.

'Auto Raja'-indha padathai yaaravadhu paathirukkeengala ? naan indha paatu mattum dhaan kelvi pattirukken.

vasanth2006
14th April 2006, 07:11 PM
Today's song of the day is my hot fav.

what a song!!!!!
i think raja's voice very well suited the song and improved the feel.

the same tune is played in violin in the show "Antrum Intrum Entrum". That also very nice.

Super pick.

Thanks
Vasanth

swathy
14th April 2006, 09:48 PM
Nandri Narayanan & Vasanth :-)

Renault
15th April 2006, 01:27 PM
Great song. But very very badly picturised.

One of the songs that if you listen to in the morning, your entire day is made. In my experience select Raja songs on listening once in the morning has kept my mind fresh throughout the day. eg: Today's pick, Manjal Thottu (Friends), Valaiosai (Satya), Enna thaan sugamo (Maapillai).

I have observed that this song has been cleverly lifted by Vidyasagar for Kaadhal Vandhadhum (Poovellam Un Vaasam).This song became a hit song. Reasons, modernised the original Raja tune (of course plagiarised) and picturised well.

An evidence that some of Raja's greatest works have been spolied by the directors, and most of this misfortune becomes some other guy's (Vidyasagar in this case) fortune.

Hulkster
15th April 2006, 04:07 PM
Movie: Illamai Oonjaladugirathu
Song : Ennadi Meenakshi
Singers: S.P Balasubramaniam
Year: 1978
Director : Sridhar
Composer : Illayaraja

Sorry for posting but i thought that i might want to share a insight view on this song.
1) This is a very underrated song as i dunnot see much people talking about this song( possibly because of its fast paced beats?)
2) If i am not wrong this is the first song where jazz has been implemented to accomodate indian raagams

About this song, i believe illayarajas orchestration and instrumentation particularly in the interludes is just brings out the best of jazz i have ever heard. The all-guns-blazing style of trumpets used in usual jazz songs by miles davis also comes out in the first interlude which makes it very nice to hear. In the case of only our indian koothu instruments plus western drums can make a song fast paced was disproved by full usage of jazz in this song.

SPB waves in and out of this song like he was born to sing it. His singing together with Illayaraja's orchestration just makes it out of this world. I seriously feel you hubbers should pay attention to illayaraja's fast paced numbers;his orchestration is more evident there than his melodies.

swathy
16th April 2006, 02:05 PM
good pick hulks :-)

swathy
17th April 2006, 09:18 AM
Date: April 17
Song: Kannan Oru Kai Kuzhandhai
Singers: Susheela P.,Yesudas.K.J
Movie: Badra Kali
Year of release: 1976
Lyrics: Vaali
Director: A C Thirulokachander

My Comments: Beautiful song by Yesudas and Susheela.I prefer listening to this song rather than watching. Thangarbachan used this song twice in the background in his movie Azhagi.

Hulkster
17th April 2006, 09:40 AM
Nice one swathy...Kannan oru Kai Kuzhandai was a soft carnatic melody by Illayaraja. This was also the first song Vaali wrote lyrics for Illayaraja. My mom used to make me sleep with this song. There is also another song titled "Oduginraal" rendered by seerkazhi govindarajan which was also quite good and rarely talked about by fans.
The song has adrenaline rushing through you towards the last phase(It gave me goosebumps like KV Mahadevan devotional songs)

narayanan
17th April 2006, 12:02 PM
This song has that magical 70s feel to it, maybe because of the tune and Susila-Yesudas combo. Though it is a lullaby song, strangely I somehow like to hear this song on a loudspeaker in a gramathu enviorment :roll:

PS: swathy, since you moderate this thread oru chinna request. May I post the next SOTD ? Hope the others dont mind either.

swathy
17th April 2006, 02:06 PM
sure narayanan but can u pls post on apr 19 . im expecting more feedback for this song from usha akka, renault ,rajasaranam. hope u dont mind. :-)

RR
17th April 2006, 09:21 PM
It seems this song was originally composed by Ilaiyaraja for a drama with Gangai amaran's lyrics. The song goes something like "chinna chinna kanmaniye' .

swathy, you might want to see the visuals. It contains an extra stanza not available in cd/cassete's. :P

sriksp
18th April 2006, 01:39 AM
Indha padal tune mudhalil malaiyalm film 'Oolangl" la vandhadhu. Song 'Thumbi vaa thumba kudathu"


tvsankar,
In recent IR's concert he himself specified that Oolangal "Thumbi vaa" was derived from Sangathil Padatha Kavigal. Could somebody confirm this :roll: Balumahendra got very much attracted with Sangathil Padatha tune and wanted to re-use it in Oolangal. IR also stated that Oolangal was the best film which he likes out of Balu Mahendras creations.

Wasnt there a huge orchestration differences between these 2 songs. I never heard the Thambi Vaa version. Could somebody provide a link for this song?

Hulkster
18th April 2006, 06:18 AM
Sriksp visit this page

http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movies.asp and look for Olangal. The song thumbi vaa is by S Janaki and it has a slight remodified tune of Sangathil Paadatha Kavithaigal. If im not wrong it was mentioned before that the bass guitar was used first in this song for malayalam.

Renault
18th April 2006, 07:38 AM
Today's pick is a typical 70s Ilayaraja song with a soft melody. Probably the movie being one of Raja's earliest, he has successfully brought out his knowledge in Carnatic music through this song.

Yesudas's voice flows mellifluously in this song. This is one of such songs that one will never get tired of listening. Not much Raja songs in that category though !!!

swathy
18th April 2006, 02:07 PM
Thanks RR & Renault. :-)

tvsankar
18th April 2006, 07:54 PM
Dear Swathy,
Early IR's songs ellam enaku konjam special dhan.

Sound vishayathil IR sirudhu sirudhaga R & D seidhu,
improvise seidha period il, idhu oru improved version!!!

Mukkiyamana vishayam - ketkum indha song oru mono dhan!! Sterio kuda kedaiyadhu!!!

IR in flute um, guitarum, tabla vum azhagu dhan!!!

Idhai than Reanault short and sweet aga solli vittarae!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

sriksp
18th April 2006, 10:52 PM
Thanks Hulkster for the link. It s indeed a treat to ear.

Kanan Oru kai Kuzandhai- was a classical number from IR as tvsankar stated it came with good recording quality compared to earlier versions of IR songs.

I remember this song was the first Combo of Valee and IR.

This is a special kind of songs which gives 2 kinds of mood when we hear it. A romantic mood when KJY sings the lines

"EzpiRappum iNainthirukkum
sontham intha sonthammammA
vAznthirukkum nAL varaikkum
thanjsam unthan nenjsamammA"

and also invokes a lullaby when PS sings the lines

"maiviziyE thAlElO
mAdhavanE thAlElO
Arrariro Arrario"

a song that can be heard in anytime. thanks for choosing this swathy.

narayanan
19th April 2006, 03:05 AM
Date: April 19, 2006
Song: Anandha Thenkatru
Singers: Shailaja SP., Malaysia Vasudevan
Movie: Manipur Mamiyar
Year of release: 1982 (Thanks to Project Gem movie list (http://project-gem.tripod.com/MasterList.htm))
Lyrics: ??
Director: ??

Comments: Its one of my long time favourite songs :P Beatiful lyrics and excellent interludes. Especially the guitar on the first interlude is simply too good. I get an evening/twilight feel, listening to this song. Malaysia seems to have sung the 'vethala potta paatu vadhiyar' voice with ease (imitating CSJ ?). Shailaja's voice sounds strained especially singing the higher pitch. I love this contrasting combo of voices, Malaysia taking a more harder voice (sorry couldnt think of an apt word :roll:) and Shailaja taking the softer handle.

Trivia: This movie never released, and that 1982 I suppose is the audio release. This movie had one other song 'Samayal Padame' that was tailored with a little different lyrics and 90s instruments as 'Enna Samayalo' in KB's 'Unnal Mudiyum Thambi'.

Anecdotes: I have heard this song as early as 1983/84 when I hardly tall enough to reach the tape recorder on the table that played the song. I love listening to this song and have heard it many times in the 80s and early 90s (though wasnt able to appreciate the beauty of the song then). I have always thought that the male lead was some 'paatu vadhiyar' specifically called to sing for this song :lol: . I didnt know until 2003, that it was Malaysia Vasudevan who sang it. I had imaginations that this song would've been picturised similar to 'Maan Kanden Maan Kanden' in Rajarishi or like 'Suga Ragame' from Kanni Rasi. It all went down the drain seeing that this movie never released. Certainly such a beautiful song deserved to have revived just to picturize this song ;). Though it might look wierd or incredibly shocking to picturize this 70s styled song.

I leave to you guys now to express your thoughts on this song :). I would like to thank swathy for giving me an opportunity to feature today's SOTD.

Lyrics:

ஆனந்த தேன்காற்று தாலாட்டுதே
அலைபாயுதே, மனம் ஏங்குதே
ஆசை காதலிலே
(ஆனந்த)

மான்கள் தேடும் பூவை அவளோ, தேவி சகுந்தலையோ
மோக வீனை தன்னை மீட்டி பாடும் பாவலனோ
தேவலோக இந்திரன் சபையில் ஆடும் ஊர்வசியோ
ஆடும் ஊர்வசியோ
(ஆனந்த)

மார்பில் சூடும் சந்தன மலர்போல் மங்கை நான் வரவோ
போதை ஊட்டும் திராட்சை மதுவோ, தேகம் பூச்சரமோ
பார்வையாகும் காதல் நோயை தீர்க்கும் மந்திரமோ
தீர்க்கும் மந்திரமோ
(ஆனந்த)

PS: Lyrics'la edhavadhu spelling mistake irundha mannichukkunga ba. edho enakku ezhudha vandha aragorai thamizh'la munnoru kaalam ezhudhinadhu :D

vasanth2006
19th April 2006, 03:00 PM
it is a different and very good song. good pick of the day. i already posted this song in "raja songs - good" thread.

as narayanan said this is in the catagory of "suga ragame" from kanni rasi, "madhana moga rupa sundari" from intru poi nalai vaa (bhagyaraj movie.).
these above songs are sung by MVD. actually MVD tried to imitate the old singer (CSJ?) in the humorous manner.

actually during my school days ( AR.Rahman's peak period. ), i used to hear my uncle's cassettes. all his cassettes will have the superb IR songs. in one of the cassette, i heared this peculiar song. First i confused that why he has recorded the song?. but after 2 to 3 times, i feel the song's special.

in this song male voice sings carelessly ( without much bother about raga etc.) and female voice sings in proper manner. that is the rare speciality of the song. the pronunciation of MVD is something different and good.(especially during "podhai uoottum thiratchai madhuvo"). lyrics also writen in the pure tamil manner. u can understand this through narayanan post.

actually i am not having the song in my collection. i missed the cassette also.so i am unable to capture all the contents of that song. i searched the net also. i am unable. if anybody knows any online source please let me know.

Thanks
Vasanth

RR
19th April 2006, 04:25 PM
Interesting to note how IR has tuned the melody for the words 'thaalaattuthe', 'alai paayuthe' and 'yEnguthe'..

narayanan
19th April 2006, 09:06 PM
RR,
Did you mean the 'algorithm (http://openscroll.org/ramesh/ramesh4.html)' ;)
~~~~
vasanth,
Here (http://media.putfile.com/Anandha) is a poorly recorded version of 'Anandha Thenkatru', should warn you that there are midly noises here and there. So dont try it on real good speakers. Rest of them are available on cooltoad on the search query 'manipoor'

thumburu
20th April 2006, 07:18 PM
"anandha thenkaatru" marks the work of a genius in composing an over exploited scale like "Hindholam" and still making it look fresh even after decades. There is a guitar interlude in the 2nd or 3rd charanam's bgm which is again a testimony to why IR is a cut above the mediocre rest. Well now may be he has lost his music marbles due to age or whatever. But no md in the past or future would come even closer to his wizardry during his prime.

rajasaranam
20th April 2006, 08:58 PM
Sorry Swathy was not able to contribute much to this thread :(
Anyways Iam reading all the posts and i congragulate on your commendable work.

Hope RR who is a regular visitor here try and give the links for the songs posted here :?

The link I found for Manipoor maamiyaar is here
http://www.tamilsongs.net/page/build/album/Manippoor_Maamiyaar/index.html

Narayanan,

An excellent pick from this unreleased movie. The tune, singing style orchestration all are very good. Especially the veena, guitar, flute and violin ensemble in the first interlude is something no one could ever imagine. And the free flow from WCM to Tamizhisai to Electronica to WCM again... in the second Interlude is mind blowing....Iam a lover of his interludes where he picks us up from the tune he has set and gives us a ride. sometimes along the pastures, sometimes near the sea and sometimes along a river but always to a exotic location :) and then he puts us back into the tune again. In few seconds he shows interesting patterns of music from all over the world which will contain the knack of making us feel being in a different place...when he returns to the tune we will be left with longing for more such rides.
Veenai eduthu symphony vaasippaar guitar eduthu folk vaasippar Entha vithyasamum illama ella isaiyum onnu thaanaennu nigazhthi kaattiduvaar. :) Aanalum tamizh vaasanai ella tamizh paatulayum irukkum. How he does that no body knows :!:

SOTD thaan aanalum I cant end up without writing about 'Rasiganae en arugil vaa' :)
The song was a splendid dance no. which cant be termed simply a disco song. It was more than that. All Raja's Dance nos. Consist an inherent melody in it. this song is nothing less in that aspect with a well set tune and three stanzas/Interludes. the third Interlude is the one I like most where he has set a rock pattern and he sings like a rock star. I can easily imagine Raja with the guitar in his hands rocking away with those long hairs and dope filled eyes like western rock stars :) [ though in person he is not like that]
I think this interlude is slightly reworked and used in Vikram title song...IMO
The lyrics that follow this interlude is interesting
'therinthathai naan kudukiraen
thenmaangu raagangal serthu(2)
idhayangal sila ethirkalam
ethirpavar athai rasikalaam(2)
naan kaanum ullangal
nalvazhthu sollungal
naalum naalum inbam inbam' [rasiganae...]

app_engine
20th April 2006, 11:13 PM
"Especially the guitar on the first interlude is simply too good"...

konjum unnippAi gavaniththAl guitAr'Odu sErndhu izhaiyOdum `kanjirA' (ching-chaw?) saththam kEtkum. This used to be a Raja speciality...another example is the 2nd interlude of `orE nAL unai nAn nilAvil pArthadhu'...Oh...those days! When my cousins, chithi and me used to dissect the Raja songs (esp. the 'ludes)

Hulkster
21st April 2006, 06:59 AM
Song Name: Sangeetha Jathi Mullai
Singers : SPB
Movie : Kadhal Oviyam
Actors: Kannan, Radha
Director: Bharatiraja
Year: 1982

This song is a climax song which probably describes the hero's sadness and anger. Probably one of the few albums where all the songs were carnatic melodies(eg sankarabaranam,swathi muthyam). This song was overshadowed by nadham en jeevanae's popularity amongst the masses when the movie was released.

I basically grew to the way Illayaraja expresses the emotions of SPB with the violins playing. From the second para onwards, SPB starts wavering in a monotonous tone which Illayaraja enhances it with his violins showing the sadness in his song. the tabla and mrindhangam have also been used in a anger expressing way to contradict SPB's monotonous wavering towards the end to create a classic.If you listen towards the end you will get goosebumps listening to the fast movement of the violins changing minor to major and vice versa accompanied by the thavil(or is it urumi mellam?).

The Song can be discussed ina greater detail but due to my limited knowledge of the instruments and raagams used i could not express it. It would be good if someone can analyse this song in greater detail.

Renault
21st April 2006, 07:32 AM
This song if not for anything else can be remembered for the High-pitch singing of SPB..

Raja has utilized Balu completely with regards to his talents and this song is a testimony in one such area.

Sadly, the songs were masterpieces in this rather flop movie.

Hulkster
21st April 2006, 10:02 AM
I actually thought this album should have gotten a National Award after listening to every song here...not only this album, many albums have been overlooked by the National Award commitee....any idea why they have such ignorance?

Renault
21st April 2006, 09:33 PM
Hulkster,

Sivaji Ganesan never won a National award. That sums it up all on their ability to choose the winners.

swathy
22nd April 2006, 09:53 AM
Thanks hulks, renault :-)

rajasaranam : I have extended 24 hours more for each song. It would be great if we receive your inputs often. :-)

swathy
22nd April 2006, 09:59 AM
Date: April 22
Song: Edho Moham Edho Daaham
Singers: Janaki. S.,Krishnachandar
Movie: Kozhi Koovuthu
Director: Gangai Amaran
Year of release: 1982

Renault
22nd April 2006, 02:02 PM
Edho Mogam should be one of Raja's personal favorites, in my greatest of guesses. I have a point here.

I read that Raja played this song to some European musicians to mak them understand his creations. They, apart from understanding, actually were in awe of this song.


How many of use know KrishnaChander. Raja has this knack to give special songs to new comers and lesser-known faces who actually do a brilliant job as well (not sure about the number of takes though).

Eg: Krishnachander in today's pick
Deepan Chakravarthy in Poonkathavey (Nizhalgal)
Uma Ramanan in Ananda Raagam (Panneer Pushpangal)
Sai Baba in Mella Mella (Vaazhkai) and even in recent times
Kartik in Oliyile (Azhagi)

U can put the best of singers like a SPB or Janaki for each of these songs and they would have given a better output as well. But the choice of these singers, only Raja found something special in their talent to utlize them for special songs.

Coming to today's pick... The song has wonderful begining with a mesmerising Flute bit mixed with a Guitar background. Overall as for most Raja duets, this song has a rich mix of instruments used as interludes.

Suresh shouldn't be far behind Mohan in terms of being a beneficiary of Raja's songs.

ezy0265
22nd April 2006, 04:37 PM
renault,

I think you can add 'Kaathal Ennum Koil' from movie Kazhugu in your list as I believe the singer Ramesh?, correct me if wrong someone, seems to be so apt for that song I can't imagine SPB doing more justice to that song.

Is he the same singer who sang Varuvai Anbe in Garjanai?

ezy0265
22nd April 2006, 04:38 PM
renault,

I think you can add 'Kaathal Ennum Koil' from movie Kazhugu in your list as I believe the singer Ramesh?, correct me if wrong someone, seems to be so apt for that song I can't imagine SPB doing more justice to that song.

Is he the same singer who sang Varuvai Anbe in Garjanai?

swathy
25th April 2006, 09:07 AM
Date: April 25
Song: Aasaya Kaathila Thoodhuvittu
Singers: Shailaja S.P.
Movie: Jhonny
Year of release: 1980
Director: Mahendran

Hulkster
25th April 2006, 09:26 AM
Yes...this song was a fisherman village folk song...the beats and the initial humming in the prelude just enhances the song's reflection of a village folk song. The nadhaswaram usage in the first interlude is a good fusion by illayaraja with the beats. SP Shailaja's singing has to be commended here as she just shifts her pitch easily without affecting the song. Excellent song Swathy...:thumbsup:

baroque
25th April 2006, 10:24 AM
Haunting song, swathi!

Raaja has used the same tune in recent movies....
Pandathe naattin.....ponmudi puzhayarathu
Manathe thamara..... TTLS
enjoy!!
http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/M0000926.html

http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/M0000911.html

swathy
25th April 2006, 04:09 PM
Thanks hulks and baroque :-)

Renault
25th April 2006, 09:16 PM
Nice song. This song was supposedly my favorite some years back. Now I have promoted myself and I love SinoRita in this movie.

Coming back to today's pick.. Hulkster is spot-on with his comments on SPS singing. May definitely be her best in her short songs record.

I think this is more than a mountain tribe song tune than a fisher-folk tune. Raja has given us great fisher folk songs like Meenkodi theril (Karumbu Vil). Today's pick has simple use of flute and percussion.

Hulkster
26th April 2006, 10:49 AM
Oh mountain tribe?.....maybe i got confused between the settings and the tunes.....yes the flute...In Andrum Indrum Endrum Napolean will play a different type of flute during the prelude of today's pick...wonder what type of flute it is as the sound is certainly different from your usual flute and it has a dragging effect.

Hulkster
26th April 2006, 11:00 AM
Date: April 26
Song: Kaun Dagar
Movie: Lajja(Hindi)
Music: IR(only for this song)
Singer: Latha Mangeshkar
Director: Rajkumar Santhoshi
Year: 2001

This song starts off with Lata's voice going to high pitches with the synth following her voice...the prelude seems like it is going to be some sort of hindi thatthuvam song and then the monotonous percussions set in to show a tune reflecting the troubles of a woman's life.

This song i just cannot stop describing it...whether its the complex flute usage following Lata's voice or the interludes where the violins just give you the thenpaandi effect is just mesmerising. Lata as usual wavers through the song with ease with the tune providing ample company to her voice.

IR has to be commended for bringing out the emotions of the situation by using the flutes and the violin to heighten it. This song actually does not come as a whole piece in the movie but rather comes in three different parts supposedly after each situation of the leading ladies is explained.

This song was one of the unrecognised masterpieces but no surprise that it was ignored due to the importance payed to BGM in bollywood and the film not being appreciated. Btw if you listen in the second interlude, IR creates a fusion with the western drums flowing with the melodramatic playing of the violins.

Thanks to RS for reminding me of this song.

Listen to it here http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movies.asp and look for lajja

ab_123
27th April 2006, 01:59 AM
Hello, I am new here. I was quite excited to find this forum. Hope to learn a lot from the folks here.

Just curious, has this tune been used in Tamil? And is there a reason why IR was selected for this tune?

Hulkster
27th April 2006, 06:32 AM
IR was actually brought in to do the BGM for this movie...however the actual composer of the film Anu Malik was not able to satisfy The director with his tune for the situation...then the director asked IR to do and the next moment Kaun Dagar tune was played and immediately the director was impressed by it.. And no it has never been used in tamil before.

Welcome ab_123 and enjoy your stay here...we will guide you along the way...:D :thumbsup:

ab_123
27th April 2006, 09:07 PM
Not sure if this has already been discussed...

Song: Velli Salangaigal
Singer: SPB
Movie: Kadhal Oviyam

First and foremost, IMO, this was the era that SPB had the opportunity to sing the best composed semi-classical songs. This is the highlight of this song.

I like the way it starts off with only the 'salangai', you can almost feel in tune with the 'blind' character is feeling...

swathy
29th April 2006, 11:13 AM
Welcome ab!

Thanks Hulks :-)

swathy
29th April 2006, 11:20 AM
Date: April 29
Song: Paada Vanthatho Raagam
Singers: Susheela P.,Yesudas.K.J
Movie: Ilamai Kaalangal
Year of release: 1983
Director: Manivannan

My comments: One of my favourite hits. Though susheela madam did very few songs with IR, all are treated to be gems.

I expect more comments from rajasaranam,usha akka,renault,baroque,sanjeevi,hulks and aruna :-)

great
29th April 2006, 12:42 PM
Lajja , is the worst movie of santhoshi guess IR did BGM for this movie and ANu malik did all other track except one.

Hulkster
29th April 2006, 01:09 PM
Swathy madam...is the song available in any website...i could have a listen to it and put my comments...:)

Renault
29th April 2006, 03:29 PM
An off-beat pick, i would say on Paadavanthathor..

Among hundreds of Maestro's hits for Mohan, Paadavanthathor is an unsung classic.

The opening of the song will never give you an idea of the song tempo. It begins with a slow humming by PS and gradually gains tempo... This opening alone will last in one's memory.

Gr8 Pick Swathy. This song lost badlyin crowded classics from the same movie such as Iramana Rojave and sai Medaiyil.

Another watch and get bored Mohan movie with more than deserved classics by Maestro.

I heard this song after a long time recently and I couldn't realise that it was sung by KJY.May be new listeners like Hulkster can let us know if he found any variation in KJY's singing mode for this song.

Hulkster
29th April 2006, 04:09 PM
Renault sir...i have to absolutely agree with you about this song...i wonder how this song got overshadowed...let me list my comments about the song as this one is worthy of a detailed discussion.

Opening - Susheela opens the song with a humming that sounds like a soft melody and then the familiar guitar plucking sound accompanies her chords before the tempo picks up with a whole horde of female chorus joining in...the violins just add to the overall tempo.

Interludes - Flutes,Guitar,Violins and chorus are used to great effect with the usual accompaniment of drums..IR has to be a genius in fusing the violins and flutes in the interludes and the ensuing chorus is simply amazing!.

Tune - A different beating of the thavil followed by a very soft guitar plucking sound is what follows the tune..i would say this is a racey melody with susheela stealing the show.

As for Renault sir's query...yes i thought it was another singer too till i heard the usual broad base in yesudoss voice..it seems he has gone for a simple singing style instead of showing his emotions to suit the tune that he usually does.

Excellent pick by swathy i should say...never knew such a classic existed myself...:clap:

narayanan
29th April 2006, 05:47 PM
Remember seeing this movie somewhere in late 80s, standard boring love story. 'Paada Vandhathor Gaanam' comes early in the movie when Mohan and the heroine fall in love. Very bubbly song, infact loved this song on seeing the movie, lovely tune, preludes and interludes. Used to think it was Sailaja who sang the song those days (the heroine looks like her :roll:).

As Renault says, Yesudas did start 'Raja maalai thol serum' bit different than usual, it wasnt immediately evident. But the 2nd charanam style was typical Yesudas style, especially the way he starts 'Thenee'. BTW does'nt the Yesudas style somewhat remind you of 'Edho Ninaivugal' from 'Agal Vilakku' ?

'Eeramana Rojave' ranks number one for being repeated max number of times. There was one more classical PS solo 'Ragavane Ramana Ragunatha' that comes as a Navarathri golu song (used to be played in DD around Navarathri too).

Well does anyone remember the heroine's name ?

ab_123
29th April 2006, 08:55 PM
Swathy madam...is the song available in any website...i could have a listen to it and put my comments...:)

I believe you can find it here. http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000536.html

I will also listen. Thanks Swathy.

ab_123
29th April 2006, 09:08 PM
I heard this song after a long time recently and I couldn't realise that it was sung by KJY.May be new listeners like Hulkster can let us know if he found any variation in KJY's singing mode for this song.

Good pick Swaty. Yesudas does sound different.

tvsankar
30th April 2006, 10:08 AM
Dear Swathy,
Nice song!!!

Reanult and Hulkster - ivanga rendu perum padal patri sonna pin, naan solla varthaiyai theda vendi iruku!!!

Fast beat - but singers sang slowly - idhai than naan feel pannuven.

Indha madhiri IR style enaku eppavum surprise a irukum.

Actualy, Mohan ku enru irundha oru style konjam maari, indha madhiri sila songs IR panninar.Indha padal dhan arambam enru ninaikiren,

PS and KJY - ivargal iruvarumae, IR in composition ai purinudhu kondu, thangaludaiya style ai maatri kondu, IR in asaiyai niraivetriyavargal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dear narayanan,
Heroine - Sasirekha - i think !!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

narayanan
30th April 2006, 10:40 AM
Sasirekha'nu oru heroine vera irundhirukkala ?
~~~~~
oru off-topic question, do you people know anything about the singer BS.Sasirekha? Like Jency, she too has sung most(if not all) her songs in IR's music. Dont remember hearing any song of hers after mid 80s or so. Any info about this less known singer appreciated :)

swathy
30th April 2006, 11:32 AM
Thanks renault, hulks, narayan,usha akka and aruna :-)

heroine name is sasikala, debut for rohini.


sasi rekha - she did the gr8 song "vizhiyil vilundhu idhayam nulaindhu uyiril kalandha urave".

narayanan
30th April 2006, 01:35 PM
Another off-topic but related addition:

Check this blog: http://isai-alias-raja.blogspot.com/

Two of them (one i them is crvenky who is a part of this hub) share their memories of Raja of the 70s and 80s. Wonderful read :)

PS: Did'nt know where else to fit it in. Sorry if am trying to pull away from the mainstream discussion.

vasanth2006
30th April 2006, 05:59 PM
Excellent Pick Swathy. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D
actually all of them explained whatever i want to explain. simply it is the masterpiece from maestro. whenever i hear the starting humming (tharathattha tharathatha...) i mesmirised by the that.
i always confused with KJY and jeyachandran in some songs.thanks for the male voice clarification

ab_123
30th April 2006, 06:34 PM
Excellent Pick Swathy. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D
actually all of them explained whatever i want to explain. simply it is the masterpiece from maestro. whenever i hear the starting humming (tharathattha tharathatha...) i mesmirised by the that.
i always confused with KJY and jeyachandran in some songs.thanks for the male voice clarification

So true. All this time I thought the Andha 7 Naatkal songs were by Yesudas, but found out they were by Jayachandran.

swathy
1st May 2006, 09:34 AM
Thanks Vasanth :-)

swathy
1st May 2006, 09:34 AM
Date: May 1
Song: Poonkadhave Thaall Thiravaai
Singers: Deepan Chakravarthi,Uma Ramanan
Movie: Nizhalgal
Year of release: 1980
Director: Bharathi Raaja

nilavupriyan
1st May 2006, 11:12 AM
superb song swathy!

:thumbsup:

adha pathi discuss pandra alavukku enaku sangeetha gnanam ilaa

narayanan
1st May 2006, 02:19 PM
Nizhalgal is one of the best remembered works from IR's golden 80s.
All the songs have great preludes and interludes dominated by the violin, flutes and the veena (except the jazzy guitar in Madai Thirandhu alone). Especially the violin has spoken volumes in all the songs. Was VS.Narasimman the violinist for this one ?

Poongathave Thazh Thiravai has a fantastic violin prelude :thumbsup: I love Uma Ramanan's voice in this song. Deepan's voice has the crisp haunting.

Incidentally I am hooked to 'Dhoorathil Naan Kanda' from the same movie. Never heard the song before, happened to see it in someone's Top 10 IR song list, and was thinking 'Wow how did I miss this one :)'. Listen to the violin -> veena -> flute transition in the 1st prelude :) kind of reminds of 'Sanga Thamizh Kaviye' and 'Kanna Varuvaya' from 'Manadhil Urudhi Vendum' for strange reasons :roll:

ab_123
1st May 2006, 06:08 PM
Thanks for reminding me of this wonderful song.

Hulkster
1st May 2006, 06:33 PM
Let me dissect this song in parts. Basically this song is a soft melody possibly reflecting on two lovers looking upon how their love came and progressed.

Prelude - Violins are of course evident as usual in the prelude as described by narayanan sir...but more outstanding is the veenai-flute-violin combination towards the end of the prelude which that describes the main tune of the song with the pallavi being described by veenai-flute combo and the anupallavi/charanam described by the veenai-violin combo.

Interludes - The first interlude has the thavil in a monotonous manner which then changes into a marriage procession type...possibly reflecting on the marriage dreams of both lovers...IR has to be commended for making the thavils sound more of a sad unison rather than the usual marriage style and the violins used before this happens is wonderfully orchestrated to show what the feelings were before this marriage dreams came. IR has to be given applause for this.

The second interlude is a wonderful tale of violins. The violins depict sadness in a way that sounds mesmerising especially at the end where it sounds like the feelings have just dropped to show the bad things that happened in their love and more surprising is the use of our carnatic violin to do this which easily brings out the emotions.

Tune - The main tune is mainly made up of the soft beating of drums and relies on the singing and humming of the two singers to bring out the emotions.

Great pick swathy yet again....quite a mesmerising song..:clap:

ab_123
1st May 2006, 07:43 PM
Wow, great analysis Hulkster. Are you a musician?

app_engine
1st May 2006, 09:52 PM
Swathy, some observations:

a) PS has sung a LOT, and not just a FEW with IR:-) May be in IR's world, a 100 popular songs with a singer might be termed `FEW':-))

b) The song 'pAda vandhadhOr ghAnam' by KJY-PS in iLamaikkAlangaL was heard all-over TN when released (even though `eeramAna rOjavE' was more popular). To call it an `unsung' classic, is, IMHO, incorrect. The whole album was a big hit in those days with public address systems...including the `padippila zero, nadippila hero' by SPS...In fact, `isai mEdaiyil' was relatively a bit less popular than `pAda vandhadhOr ghAnam'...(may be because the KJY-PS number was the first song in one side of the LP record)...This was the 2nd movie of motherland pictures, after the stupendous success of 'payaNangaL mudivadhillai' where they started featuring Raja and the `iLaiyarAjavin innisai mazhayil' in the posters / hoardings...

I think the songs were recorded with R Sundarrajan as the 'to-be-director', but he was dropped from the project and so was the original storyline. And Manivannan was roped in to come up with some stuff to fit in the songs...which was released later as a movie and did average business commercially. The songs were a big hit months before the film got released...(Kovaithambi quickly patched up with R Sundarrajan for their next big hit `nAn pAdum pAdal')...

rajeshkrv
2nd May 2006, 12:48 AM
a great song . by UR & deepan

Hulkster
2nd May 2006, 06:42 AM
Ellei ab....i just use my ears to listen thats all...:)...perhaps app_engine sir might be correct...but nevertheless, not many people remeber the song compared to eeramana rojavae now...so that is why maybe i guess swathy picked this song....thanks for the info app_engine sir..:thumbsup:

nilavupriyan
2nd May 2006, 08:38 AM
was this song discussed

song: muthamizhe

film :raman abdullah

music: ofcourse ilayaraja

direction: balu mahendra

swathy
2nd May 2006, 08:59 AM
Thanks nilavu,narayanan,hulks,aruna,rajesh,
app_engine :-)

narayan: sorry for such a delayed post. Just now i listened the song form manipoor mamiyar. very good song. :-)

narayanan
2nd May 2006, 04:12 PM
swathy: its a nice long-lost song. great to hear you enjoyed it too :). Did you listen to the other songs: Rasigane and Samayal Padame too ?
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Have a few more IR gems to write on too ;) let me know if you want me to put an SOTD some time.

swathy
2nd May 2006, 07:57 PM
I think we can still wait for few hours for renault,usha akka and rajasaranam's comments.

narayan: pls chk ur PM.

Renault
2nd May 2006, 09:38 PM
What can I say of this song... I purposely took a day off to think and write of this song.. but I am always at lack of words to describe a Raja creation.


I wrote about Raja-BR combo striking rich whenever they joined due to their wonderful chemistry. This song should be the Kohinoor of their combo-creations.

Hulkster has done a wonderful dissection. My thoughts:

1. This song though a great one, needed to be sung by someone subtle in singing and not the flamboyant SPB and Janaki. Deepan and Uma Ramanan fitte the bill so well.

2. Most importantly Ravi and the actress, both are new and Raja fittingly used new face singers.

3. Maestro himself acknowledged in an interview that according to him BR and Vamsy (telugu) picturises his songs well. But this song was only picturised well in patches. The good ones include the actress while coming out of a pond, Raja gives a sound that signifies some kind of a resurgence, a flower bloom kind-off in the second charanam interlude, the door opening in the begining of the song that ends with a bang sound followed by a mellifluous Veena.

4. Lot of flowers are picturised in the song as flowers being the lyric-theme.

I had this song as a monphonic ring-tone in my mobile for about a year till very recently .

rajasaranam
2nd May 2006, 11:23 PM
'Poonkathavae Thaazh Thiravaai'
Opened up many doors for us...the laymen of TN
IR just elevated the musical sense and knowledge of tamilian's with such kinds of innovative songs.
This is one of the songs which made us look upon to know what a counterpoint is and what is Western classical music all about atleast theoretically. The Song is an excellent example for how a fusion music to be done. Its a marriage between indian classical wester classical and tamil folk rhythms. We can dissect this songs to an article running to pages :) Iam avoiding it right now and listening to the song in loops for the ultimate bliss it gives.

tvsankar
2nd May 2006, 11:56 PM
DEar Swathy,
Excellent one !!!

Very Very Very ...... Beautiful flow !!! ( oru azhagana aruvi veezhvadhu pola )

Singers iruvarum padum vidham - oruvar mudikum mun ,aduthavar , oru azhagana humming il thodaravadhu miga azhagu!!!

Oru muzhu padalil, humming ai azhagaga, payan paduthiya naerthi - IR in composition skill ku oru chinna example !!!!!

80s Rajavin violin, keyboard, flute , guitar - ellamae kavidhaigal !!!

Uma Ramanan voice enaku migavum pidikum.

Actuala indha padalai kettu neenda naal ayutru.Inru ketka vaithu vittai !!!

Thanks for the pick Swathy !!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

venus05
3rd May 2006, 08:57 AM
Few years ago, as a case study Rjay analyzed (dissected) this song (Poongathavae Thazh thiravai) instrument by instrument, line by line in one of the informative thread.

thamizhvaanan
3rd May 2006, 09:06 AM
Few years ago, as a case study Rjay analyzed (dissected) this song (Poongathavae Thazh thiravai) instrument by instrument, line by line in one of the informative thread.

can u provide some links pls!!!

swathy
3rd May 2006, 09:10 AM
Thanks renault.rajasaranam,usha akka, venus :-)

You people made my day :D

Thanks again

thamizhvaanan
3rd May 2006, 09:14 AM
who is this singer dheepan chakravarthy? has he sung any other song? i was intrigued when i first listend to poongathave song as of who sang it. but now i know :)

swathy
3rd May 2006, 10:06 AM
He is the son of famous singer Tiruchi Loganathan.

swathy
3rd May 2006, 11:02 AM
Today's pick by : Narayanan
Date: May 3
Song: Kannil Enna
Singers: Balasubramaniam S.P.,Janaki. S
Movie: Un Kannil Neer Vazhinthaal
Year of release: 1985
Director: Balumahendra

narayanan
3rd May 2006, 12:11 PM
He is the son of famous singer Tiruchi Loganathan.

adhu TL.Maharajan'ngov ;)
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Probably one of the less known Rajinikanth movies. Rajinikanth, Madhavi, Y.G.Mahendran in the lead. Rajini, YGM, Senthamarai act as police officers. vaguely remember YGM dying and Rajini singing this song to console Madhavi.

First heard this song, somewhere in 99/2000 in a Raja Hits of 1985 collection Echo cassette. This was a song that stood out in the collection. Very unusual start, initially I felt it was some gospel song (the prelude will give you that feel when you listen to it first) and defenitely many of you would love the prelude of the song.

I have a general liking towards sad songs, but this one was totally different. Nothing over senti, but a soft, soothing one that would put you to sleep much like 'Poongathu Thirumbuma' from 'Mudhal Mariyadhai'.

'Naan Urangum Naal vendum
Sayndhu kolla thol vendum
en kannil neer vendum sugamaga azhavendum'

is the pick of lyrics I liked. Even otherwise the lyrics was really situational and very much likeable.

The bass guitar+piano+violin combo has worked wonders in this song and I guess no percussion instruments were used in this song.

Not to forget Janaki and SPB have softened a lot in this song.

On the whole, contains all ingridients to make it one of my top 10 favourite list of sad songs.

Other songs from the same movie:
'Enna Desamo' - another pathos but inspiring song sung by Yesudas. Great lyrics though.

'Malare Malare Ullasam' - another bass guitar-piano-violin wonder.

There was one more song in the movie, dont think it was worth the listen

Sanjeevi
3rd May 2006, 01:10 PM
Malare Malare Ullasam is a fantastic song i liked very much. One of the greatest from IR-BM combo

swathy
3rd May 2006, 01:38 PM
narayan : listening to the same song. nice song. very good pick :thumbsup:


may be TL.Maharajan is Deepan's brother. :-)

Im sure Deepan's father is TL.

narayanan
3rd May 2006, 02:07 PM
swathy,
neenga sonnadhu coreetu dhaan. Deepan is indeed Tiruchy Loganathan's song check this (http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/03/15/stories/09150462.htm). Never knew it before :roll:

ab_123
3rd May 2006, 08:12 PM
Today's pick by : Narayanan
Date: May 3
Song: Kannil Enna
Singers: Balasubramaniam S.P.,Janaki. S
Movie: Un Kannil Neer Vazhinthaal
Year of release: 1985
Director: Balumahendra

Is this available online somewhere?

app_engine
3rd May 2006, 08:59 PM
thamizhvanan,
Deepan Chakravarthy's debut was `poongathavE thAzh thiRavAi', I think. (He is the son of Tiruchy Loganathan, who sang some timeless classics like 'AsaiyE alai pOlE' and `adikkiRa kai dhAn aNaikkum', and the brother of TL Maharajan who is among the 'occasionally used' singers in TFM...some songs - `sevvAnamE pon mEghamE' in nallathoru kudumbam, `nenjE un Asai enna' in nAn pOtta savAl etc.)

Some of DC's other hits...

Oh nenjamE, idhu un rAgamE...(with SJ, film -enakkAga kAthiru, very good song and reasonably popular)

pani mazhai vizhum, paruvakkuLir ezhum (with SPS - same film, good song and regular on radio in its time)

sevvandhippookkaLil seidha veedu (with UR, film mellappEsungaL, hit song)

poojaikkAga vAzhum poovai sooRaiyAdal muRaiyO (solo, film kAdhal Oviyam, all other songs in this movie had SPB excelling, still this had its air time)

All the above were with IR's music. I think he acted as hero in `rANiththEni' or some other movie where Mahalakshmi (d/o AVM Rajan-Pushapalatha was heroine)..probably sung a couple of songs there too...

His other popular number was `Anandha dhAgam, un koondhal pookkaL theerkkumO' with SJ in vA indhappakkam. Music Shyam

BTW, DC wasn't his original name...This was IR's choice I think...(like Mano)

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vijayr
3rd May 2006, 09:32 PM
ab_123 its here
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.5582/

rajeshkrv
3rd May 2006, 10:31 PM
Deepan chankaravarthy won State award for his song Poojaikaaga vaazhum poovai from Kaadhal Oviyam

It was supposed to sing by SPB but after hearing DC's rendition, SPB asked IR to retain the same

baroque
3rd May 2006, 11:44 PM
[tscii:b8664d6bb4]'kannil yenna kaarkalam...' Un kannil neer vazhindhaal! What a song!
This song gives so much comfort. Soothing guitaring and violin interludes, comforting tabla, Balu's yedhamaana soulful singing, meaningful lyrics-'naan uranga naal vaendum saayndhu kollath thoal vaendum
en kannil neervaendum sugamaaga azhavaendum'
yellarukkum indha sugam thevai!! ONLY Shri.Ilayaraja gives that comfort with his music! We love you so much!

Two more comforting songs I can think of are ‘Nilavondru kanden yen jannalil......’-Amazing counterpoint melody, meaningful lyrics too
what can say about ‘nalam vazha...’-Balu solo in the film Marupadiyum. We can talk about this song some day!!
Swathi nalla choices you make! I need to follow up your list... :D Love, vinatha
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thamizhvaanan
4th May 2006, 07:45 AM
yea, SPB mentioned abt this song in a recent show in Vijay TV. He said during that time multi-track recording system was already in place, so by the time he came to sing most of the song was composed.

The heroine of the film, Revathy after hearing the tune, wanted to see Balu sir singing and she was in the recording studio when SPB sang it. After the song was over, she apparently came to him and said "Balu sir, neenga paatu pada, naan nadikkanum"

:oops: sorry for not discussing anything related to music of the song, but this immdly came to my mind on hearing this song name :oops:

PS: thanx everyone for giving info on DC. I thot his rendition of poongathave was so perfect that at times i suspected it cud be even IR singing the song (i didn find any resemblance in voice, just one among the probables list). I didn know he sang "poojaikkaga". to have sung one song in a film wehre all the songs are sung by SPB and to give a hit song in that is gr8 (ofcourse IRs composition was too good to let that song down :) )

thamizhvaanan
4th May 2006, 07:46 AM
I forgot to mention which song i am talking abt. It is "Nalam vazha" from Marupadiyum :D

swathy
4th May 2006, 09:02 AM
Thanks baroque. :-)

BTW this song is picked by Narayanan

Sanjeevi
4th May 2006, 10:53 AM
Super song

Song :

Sithadai Thene Sevanthi Poo Rani
Thootadum Poo Pol Katti Kolla Vaa
Mutharam Soodum Mannavanai Thedum Acharam Potti Otti Kolla Vaa

Film : Chinna Kannamma

Anyone heard it deeply :roll:.

I think it is a slow version of "Rakkamma Kaiya thattu".

It has a shadow of Rakkama Kaya Thattu and IR has produced this song with his strong stamp.

The beat and interlude music (violin and rthym) definitely remind me RKT song.

At last saranam he had done the song with folk type rhythm.

A nice and neat song