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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
I’m starting this thread with ‘kaathirundhen kaNavaa’ a sweet solo by Sjanaki from 'Dharmapathini'.
http://tfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://tfmpage.com/songs/kaath.rm (http://tfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://tfmpage.com/songs/kaath.rm
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The song should be for jeevitha (can someone confirm this). Lyrics has lot of VM’s touch but not sure if he is the lyricist. Music is by IR.
This is what Mrs charumathi has to say about this song
kaathirundhen kaNavaa paadal muzhudhum sriranjani raagathin adipadaiyaaga
amaindhuLLadhu.
panjama varjamaana ('pa' vilakkapatta swaram) sriranjani raagam, 22 vadhu meLamaana karaharapriyaavin janyam enbadhu kuripadavendiyadhu.
ThaaLathai eduthukondaal-aadhi thaaLathil amaindha ippaadal, pallavi 1/2 idamaaga amainthuLLathu. BGM in munpaguthi 1/2 idamaagavum, pin paguthi samamaagavum amainthuLLathu ingu kuRipida vEndiyathu. BGM il sirapaaga vaathiyangaLai kaiyaaNduLathum, inimaiyaana sri ranjaniyil swara kOrvaikaLai amaithuLLathum, iLaiyaraajavin isaiyamaipin sirapamsamaagum.
paadalin idaiyil varum isaiyum paadal varigaLum, adhai miga inimaiyaaga
paadiyuLLa janakiyin kuralum, indha paatukku innum sirappu serkindrana.

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Ramki

The songs sounds a lot like 'Pagalile oru nilavinai kanden' by SJ. Is that also Sriranjini raagam?

Eagerly waiting for the translations...

Bala

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
A rough translation is:

This song is set fully based on sriranjani raagam. Sriranjani is a 'panjama varja' (i.e. no 'Pa') raagam. It can be
noted that it's a janyam of the 22nd melakarta Karaharapriya. As for thaalam, it's set in Adi thaalam.
In the BGM, interestingly the first part is set in '1/2 idam' but the later part is in 'samam'. Excellent arrangement of instruments in the BGM and the sweet sriranjani swara 'kOrvai'-s reflect Ilayaraja's special touch.
The song interludes, lyrics and the rendition in janaki's mellifluous voice beautify this song further.

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Thanks RR and Ramki and thanks for the translation. Able to appreciate the song better now.. Can an expert list other songs in Sriranjini (by IR and others) and comment how they are different?

Topics like this make me feel great about being a DF-er....

Bala

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Bala this is what i found:

sriranjani:
Nadhamenum Kovilile... (Manmatha leelai)
nadham ezhuthathadi (gopura vaasalile)
velli chathamgaigal - tail piece only
*pagalilE oru nilavinai (NilavilE oru sangeetham)

http://www.tfmpage.com/forum/classical.html

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
This is what Lakshminarayan Srirangam Ramakrishnan writes on sriranjani raagam

Talking about the panchama varjaya ragam of Karahapriya, that is , Sriranjani, probably Illayaraja was the best music director to use this wonderful raga. His first Sriranjani came as a tail bit in velli chalangaigal (kaadal ovium). It was a very fast bit sang by the chorus 'thannanthanimayil iru vizhi'. Even though 'velli chalangaigal' was tuned in Chandrakounse ragam, I don't know what made him give the tail bit to Sriranjani (a very strange guy, you know!) The second Sriranjani attempt came in naadavinodhangal in salangai oli. Even in this song he tuned the pallavi alone in Sriranjani, with charanam in Hamsaanandi. This is what I dislike in cinema music directors. Why can't they adhere to a single raga? Why do they have to change from pallavi to charanam? Illayaraja was the one who did best justice to carnatic music among modern music directors. But even he fell a prey to such deviations (from purist point of view) like changing the raga for each line in few songs. His best Sriranjani came in 'nadam ezhundadadi' in Gopura vaasalilae. Again, Yesudoss! It was really fantastic. Karthik had given a comic act in that song. Probably that song toppled M.S.V's best Sriranjani 'nadam enum kovililae..' Dit it? I would say yes.

http://tfmpage.com/ci/ci2.html

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
A thread on Sriranjani

http://www.tfmpage.com/forum/27143.12.22.11.html

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Other songs in sriranjani(Gathered from different threads)

1.oru raagam tharaadha veenai - unnai vaazhthi paadugiren
2.vaa saki vaasaki- arasiyal
3.theenda theenda malarandhadhenne - ThuLLuvadho iLamai
4.veNNIlaavin perai maatravaa - Ramana
5.saami en thaali kodi - shenbagame shenbagame
6.kannan en naadha oviyam - ivan


There is even a website for Sriranjani raagam:)

http://www.sriranjani.com

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Ramki: small correction. 'theenda theenda' is riti gowla. But this raga is close to sriranjani. They share the same notes (for this reason, these two are almost never taken up in the same concert), but riti gowla has a few spl prayogams that easily distinguish it from sriranjani.

Bharadhwaj did a (rather lowly) sriranjani in 'thinnaathe' (paarthen rasithen).

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Wow! (Just overwhelmed with the response. Thanks Ramki!!)

Bala

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
'vanakkam, pala murai sonnen' (avan oru sarithram)- another MSV gem.

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Returning to 'kaathirunthen kanava', I think this song has distinct bageshri (hindustani counterpart of sriranjani) touches, though carnatic purists may not agree with me. So I tend to call this song as based on 'begeshriranjani' :)

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
RR me too thought the raaga was bagheshri(there are some similiraties between 'nilave ennidam nerungaadhe'(which i believe is in baghesri) and kaathirundhen kaNavaa)


Btw does anyknow remember if this song was in the movie? As far as i know 'naan thedum sevvandhi poovidhu' was the popular one. sumangali poojaiyidhu is another good song but not as popular as 'naan thedum'

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
The tune for this song reminds me of the second charanam of "thenmozhi endhan thenmozhi" - Mano's debut song in Solla thudikidhu manasu - a wonderful song spoiled by his voice.

Good pick, Ramki.

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
how about 'azhaithaal varuvaale sriranjani' from jaathi malli & 'thinnadhey' from paarthen rasithen.?

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Vijay, Mano's debut song is 'aNNe aNNe nee enna sonnE?'

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Ramki,

vaa sagi vaasagi vaLLuvan - aabogi raagam, not sriranjani :)

wow now I can tell the difference between Raaga :))

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
bageshri, Aaro: "Sa Ri2 Ga1 Ma1 Da2 Ni1 Sa"
Avro: "Sa Ni1 Da2 Pa Da2 Ni1 Da2 Ma1 Ga1 Ri2 Sa"

sriranjani Aaro: "Sa Ri2 Ga1 Ma1 Da2 Ni1 Sa"
Avro: "Sa Ni1 Da2 Ma1 Ga1 Ri2 Sa"
both of them 'karagapriya' janyam, I hope you got the point. So strictly appliying this swara, kaathirunthen kaNavaa definitely a sriranjani based, not bahesri.

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Marsle pattellaam kathu tharaangaLaa?:))

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Ramki, Mars ila solli thaaraanga :))

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
ramki, FM ennannavo solrare..:)

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Ramki, looks like a good pick. I think the more I listen to the song, the more I'll appreciate it.

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
Ramki: Never heard of this song before. Thanks to you and Charumathi and ofcourse alien:)

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
From Mars: We analyzed 'vaa sagi' years ago and Y. Geetha (a carnatic specialist) settled it as sri ranjani. You can check the archives. (BTW, isn't it clear from the 'valluvan' line itself?)

I think 'anne anne' confusion arose because of the movie titles where they put it as Mano's first song. But Mano has himself said several times in interviews that 'thenmozhi' is indeed his first.

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
RR, I'll check it out :)

yup, the title said so, so I thought it as well. Did mano sing under name babu?

Oldposts
3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
I think Mano was known as 'Nagoor Babu' (or something similar) in TeFM.

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
yes Anne anne nee enna sonne was by Mano (Nagur babu)

BTW themozhi was not spoiled by Mano

Spoiling means what Udit/sukwinder does

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3rd December 2004, 01:10 PM
mmm i dont see any similarity between Kaathirundhen and thenmozhi.
vijay can tell me which portion of the second charanam(i assume it is the charanam that starts as 'madhana vizhigaL mayanga mayanga')

purv and JN thanks :)

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8th April 2005, 11:57 PM
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