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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
Topic started by shankar (@ alcatraz.yagosys.com) on Fri Oct 15 20:55:41 EDT 1999.


Anybody interested in Papanasam sivan's songs.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
How come no one is responding here? All are yougsters I believe.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
I would love to discuss his songs, can you list a few of them? Also, if you know any history on the guy, his politics, the way he got into the movie business, I would love to read about it.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
Song: Ambaa Manam Kanindhu Unadhu Kadai Kannpaar
Film: Sivakavi
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Pantuvaraali

Song: Ananda Natana
Film: Sivakami
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: K V Mahadevan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Annaiyum Thandhayum
Film: Haridas
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, T R Rajakumari
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Chenchuruthi

Song: Arava Maram
Film: Sivakami
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: K V Mahadevan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Arputha Leelaikal
Film: Sivakami
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: K V Mahadevan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Bhoomiyil Maanida Jenmam
Film: Ashok Kumar
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Sindhu Bhairavi

Song: Chandra Suryar
Film: Ambikapathy
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Chidambara Naatha
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Ragam: ??

Song: Dheena Karuna Karane
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Dhyaname Enadhu Manadhu Niraindhadhu
Film: Ashok Kumar
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Kapi

Song: En Udal Thanil, Ammaiyappa Ungal Anbai
Film: Haridas
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, T R Rajakumari
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Kaanda, Atana, Jonpuri

Song: Gnana Sabayil
Film: Sivakami
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: K V Mahadevan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Gnanakkan Ondru
Film: Chinthamani
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Jonpuri

Song: Krishna Mukundaa Murare
Film: Haridas
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, T R Rajakumari
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Navroz

Song: Maanida Janmam Meendum Vandhidumo
Film: Raja Mukthi
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: C R Subbaraman
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Kamas

Song: Maname Nee Eesan Naamathai
Film: Ashok Kumar
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Kunthalavaraali

Song: Manmatha Leelaiyai Vendraar Undo?
Film: Haridas
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, T R Rajakumari
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, T R Rajakumari
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Charukesi

Song: Maraivai Pudhaitha
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Darbar

Song: Nattiya Kalaiye
Film: Sivakavi
Star: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Natakurunji

Song: Oru Naal Oru Pozhuthu
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Kamas

Song: Pavazha Maal
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Radhe Unakku Kovam Aagathadi
Film: Chinthamani
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Chenchuruthi

Song: Sara Sarangal
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Sathva Guna Bodhan
Film: Ashok Kumar
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Jonpuri

Song: Sivaperumaan Krupai Vendum
Film: Naveena Sarangatara
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Suruthi

Song: Soppana Vaazhivil
Film: Sivakavi
Star: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Sivaranjani, Vijayanaagari



Song: Thillayil Nayakane
Film: Sivakami
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: K V Mahadevan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Un Azhakai
Film: Thiruneelakanter
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??

Song: Unnai Kandu Mayangatha Pergal Undo
Film: Ashok Kumar
Star: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: Papanasam Sivan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Bhairavi

Song: Vallalai Paadum Vaazhyaal
Film: Sivakavi
Star: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Chenchuruti

Song: Vasantha Ruthu
Film: Sivakavi
Star: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar, S Jayalakshmi
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Vasantha, Kunthalavarali,
YadhukulaKambhoji, Suruthi

Song: Vathaname Chandra Bimbamo Malarndha Sarojamo
Film: Sivakavi
Star: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
Singer: M K Thayagaraja Bhagavathar
MD: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Sindhu Bhairavi

Oldposts
26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
Dheena karuna karane was composed by GR.I remember Sathiya Keerthi stating that , that the song was 'reproduced' as 'Yechi pizhaikkum' by GR himself in Madurai Veeran. The above list is a testimony to GR's genius.

Good info ! 'Boomiyil maanida' and 'unaikkandu' composed by PS ? Superb job. News to me. I have a a lot of his non-filmy compositions sung by Maharajapuram Santhanam, but unfortunately, cannot write about all those songs here.

Maybe guys like Manisegaran can help us all here.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
I forgot to mention.. you need Murasu Anjal
fonts to view the article.

Apologies for some spelling mistakes that I've
made during my typing in Murasu Anjal editor.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
wonderful, SK! thanks!
read somewhere that p.sivan was one of the last of the famous people who earned their living by unjavarththi.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
From: Bhoori (@ synvpn.synplicity.com) on: Tue Mar 2 15:23:29 EST 1999


Papanasam Sivan: Lots of Sanskritised words e.g. Vadaname Chandra Bimbamo - he could hv as easily written Un Mugam Chandra Bimbamo.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun May 31 00:18:54 EDT 1998

SVV-yin isaiyil PUC pala inimaiyaana paadalgaLai paadiya padam kubErakuchElaa (1943). Pabanasam Sivan acted as KuchElaa.kaayakalpa vagaiyaRaavil ondrai saappittu kuchElar kubEranaaga maaRum pOdhu, vatral vadivam koNda paabanaasam sivan, vaattasaattamaana PUC-yaaga maaRividuvaar.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
SK I saw your article, but could not read as I do not have Murasu. Anyway I am giving some details here that I do remember of Pabanasam Sivan

He was born in 1890 and died quite recently in 1973 at the age of 83. His original name was Ramaiah. But ever since he devoted himself to the service of the Lord in a place called Papanasam, he became affectionaltely know as Papanasam Sivan. He himself admitted that he did not get formal education. He lost his father at early childhood. It was his mothetr's talent as a musician herself that instilled interest in music. Sivan learnt from Samba Bhagavathar,and Mahadeva Bhagavathar. He only took up the basic of Hamsathavani, Kalyani and Bhairavi. Yet he was able toi improvise and mastered several ragas.

Sivan's brother is Pabanasam Rajagopal Iyer who is a teacher, cine actor an the father of the late actress VN Janaki. Therefore Sivan is the Chinna Mamanaar of the late MGR as well as Ganapathy Butt.

Pabanasam started to write for dramas while in Madras, and acted and sang as well in small roles in stage dramas. Then he had the perfect combination of the old singers especially MKT as well as the old Music Directors, the most famous of whom was G Ramanathan. In those days there were actors and actresses who sang as well. PU Chinnappa, MKT, MS Subbulachumy, MM dandapani Desigar Musiri Subramaniya Iyer and Duraiyoor Rajagopal, V Nagaiya are but some of those most famous singers of those days who had sung the songs of Sivan.

Just before and during the lifetime of Sivan there were famous poets such as Gopalakrishna Bharathiyar, Murthu Thandavar, Arunasala Kavirayar, Ramalinga Adikal, Neelakanda Sivan, and Marimuthu Pillai who did contribute to the development of Tamil Music. But it is said that the contribution of Sivan is still by far the best.

Sivan's first song is Unnai Thuthikka Arul Thaa composed in Kuntahala Varaali and soon became such a hit that he had composed nothing less than 600 songs. These 600 have been composed in 3 volumes. Of course many manuscript copies of other songs of his remain unprinted. His Sri Rama Saritha Geetham is still aclaimed as his msterpiece. It is a 45 minute song on Ramayana sung by Seergazhi Govindarajan and released in LP.

Sivan seems to be a multi talented artiste. His songs were interchangeable - ie songs written for cine situations were popular in stage kacheries and songs written for stage kacheries were used in cinema situations. One medai kacheri song "Saravanabava Ennum Thirumanthiram" had been used in a film called Kanniga.

Likewise the songs from cinema that have been and are still used in medai kacheri are like:
1) Amba manam kanithu unathu kadaikan paar
2) Oru Naal Oru Pozhuthaakilum Siavn Namam UCharikka Vendum
3) Sithambaranaatha Thiruvarul Thaaraai
All be MKT.

Sivan had a rare talent which still is missing in the modern cine world. He used to write the pallavi, anupallavi, and charanam in full. At the same time he used to also state the raga and the thalam nd even provide tune and notes for the songs. All the Music Directors had to do was to just get the orchestratioin composed. Thats it! DO we have such a personality these day? He also used to sit with the music Direstors to improvise on the song production. The closes to him were MKT and G Ramanathan who worked in a team and therby added fame and name on eah other.(You may refer to my article on MKT)

When the songs of Sivan became popular, the Tamil fans wanted to see him in movies. So the famous director K Subramaniam made him act in Baktha Kusela. MS Subbulachumy acted as Krishna (male) while Sivan took the role of a poor person. His thin fram fitted his role well.Then he took a bigger role as father in Thiaga Boomi a story that was banned by the British when it appeared in Kalki.
Jupiter film produced Kubera Kuchela where he acted with PU CHinnappa. His last film was Baktha Desa. After that he went into religious service and said good bye to cine world. But KVM was the MD in the last film of MKT-Sivakami. KVM forced Sivan to compose for Sivagami. Those devotional songs there are by Sivan.
Apart from composing for MKT Sivan also composed in abundance for MS Subbulachumy in Sagunthalai and Baktha Meera. Then of course for PU Chinnappa in Pavalakkodi, Jagathalaprathaban and Aryamala.


Pabanasam Sivan has some decorations for himself
1. Sivapunya Gnanamani
2.Sangeetha Kalanithi
3.Sangeetha Sagithya Kalasigamani
4.Pathmabooshan
Isai Peraringar.

They also used to call him "Thamizh Thiagarajar". Then there are others who say "Paattukku Oru Pulavar Bharathy-Thamizh Isaikku Oru Pulavan Pabanasan Sivan"

His songs certainly enriched cinema music, Thamizh isai, medai kacheries and Bharatha natyam. He was truly an Iyal-Isai Nadaga Venthar.

(these are the only notes I have of him)

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
Manisekaran:

What you have written does have information over
that in the article that I typed out. Thanks.
Interesting to know that Papanasam Sivan was
MGR's chinna mAmanAr.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
Manisekaran:

I forgot to add.. if you have trouble reading
Murasu Anjal and if you need to see the article,
please send your postal address by email to me.
I will send you a hardcopy.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
please tell the site to download the song yenna thavam seythanai yashoda.... by papanaasam sivanand venkatesa suprabhatham by M.S.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
please tell the site to download the song yenna thavam seythanai yashoda.... by papanaasam sivanand venkatesa suprabhatham by M.S.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
please tell the site to download the song yenna thavam seythanai yashoda.... by papanaasam sivan and venkatesa suprabhatham by M.S.

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26th February 2005, 10:51 AM
I want MKT Bagavathar & PU chinnappa Hit collection CD's

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Sudhaama
2nd March 2005, 07:49 AM
Yes ... They are IMMORTAL..... Evergreen !!!

I too would like to have all of them... them in CD / DVD