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joe
5th January 2006, 01:51 PM
http://www.chennaionline.com/events/news/sivajifilm.asp

Scale
5th January 2006, 07:03 PM
http://www.chennaionline.com/events/news/sivajifilm.asp

Mr. Joe,

Thanks for the link. Senior(age) Hubbers pls keep this thread active.
Would love to hear more and more about him.

Request to the moderators, If permitted please mark this thread to sticky as a tribute to the legendary actor Chevaliar Sivaji Ganesan.

Thanks again. :clap: :clap:

NTR
6th January 2006, 09:43 AM
I Like one Sivaji song very much..

Ponmagal Vanthaal...
Porulkodi Thatnthall...
Poomeni Vasam pokkum Theenaga..
after that dunno..
But very nice...

Bit Jazz, Bit Romance, Bit Folk..
Kalanthu seitha kalavai athu..

What movie?

joe
6th January 2006, 10:07 AM
I Like one Sivaji song very much..

Ponmagal Vanthaal...
Porulkodi Thatnthall...
Poomeni Vasam pokkum Theenaga..
after that dunno..
But very nice...

Bit Jazz, Bit Romance, Bit Folk..
Kalanthu seitha kalavai athu..

What movie?

The movie is 'Sorgam'

NTR
6th January 2006, 10:18 AM
Thanks..
its a great song..

Shakthiprabha.
11th January 2006, 06:49 PM
the foll song.. one of his best performance.......

*********
un kannil neer vazhinthaal
en nenjil uthiram kottuthadi !!
en kannin pavai andro kannamma ......
en uyir ninnathandro...o...

aalam vizhuthugaL pol uravu
aayiram vanthum enna?
verena nee irunthaay..athil!!!
naan veezhthu vidaathirunthEEn.. (un kannil)

pechukku pillai undu
verum perukku sontham undu......
en thevaiyai yaar arivaar ????????
unnai pol deivam ondrE ariyum...mm.. (un kannil)

:sad:

hi
11th January 2006, 07:24 PM
Shivaji sir.. best performance... my fav movie & song
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Ullathil nalla ullam urangaathenbathu
vallavan vaguthathada
karna.. varuvathai ethirkollada

Thaaikku nee maganillai
thambikku annanillai
oor pazhi aetraayada
naanum un pazhi kondenada
naanum...un pazhi kondenada

Mannavar paniyerkum
kannanum pani seyya
unnadi panivaanada karna
mannithu arulvaayada
karna.. mannithu arulvaayada

Senchotru kadan theerkka
seraatha idam sernthu
vanjathil veezhnthaayada karna
vanjagan kannanada
karna.. vanjagan kannanada

:cry: :cry:

nilavupriyan
11th January 2006, 07:26 PM
nice song

great
11th January 2006, 07:29 PM
SP nice song ...put it in the lyrics section also

stranger
12th January 2006, 08:04 PM
mookkaiyan: panjaaththula enakku kedachchA varavERpa nee paaththirukkanum appadiyE poorichu pOyiruppa

appaththA: appadiyA?! naan varaama pOyittEnE :(

mookkaiyan: naan vanthirukkEnE uyirOda! :(

-to be contd!:)

Thirumaran
12th January 2006, 08:19 PM
That is a great song(ullathil). Who was the lyric writer?

S.Balaji
12th January 2006, 08:59 PM
Ullathil nalla ullam was written by Kavignar kannadasan

S.Balaji
12th January 2006, 09:03 PM
Stranger

Enna solla vareenga !

Yen sitrarivukku puriyavillai please

Thirumaran
12th January 2006, 09:12 PM
One nice song from Shivaji movie i like is..

'Unnai Ondru kaetpaen' from puthiya paravai.

Shivaji is so stylish in that song. Also Saroja Devi..

For the line 'ennai paada sonnaal enna paada thoandrum'. The different expression and body language she shows whenever the line comes is really enjoyable.

The chemistry between them in the movie was really very good.

Shakthiprabha.
12th January 2006, 09:57 PM
STranger vanthaar
nindraar
(etho post) senjaar
poitaar

enna ragasiyam???????

Thirumaran
12th January 2006, 10:02 PM
STranger vanthaar
nindraar
(etho post) senjaar
poitaar

enna ragasiyam???????

Avar Stranger illayaa. athaan.

Shakthiprabha.
12th January 2006, 10:13 PM
:rotfl:

Thirumaran
12th January 2006, 10:33 PM
Stranger eppa varuvaar, eppadi varuvar, ethukaaga varuvaarnu yaarukkum theriyaadhu.

Aaanaa vara koodaatha naerathula kandippaaa varuvar..


:lol:

Justice
12th January 2006, 10:34 PM
:notworthy: :rotfl:

stranger
12th January 2006, 11:17 PM
Okay, it seems nobody gets it. I need to give little more details! :)


Movie: pattikkAdA pattaNamA

Actors: Nadigar thilagam and "his grandma" (w/o late, sOlavanthaan Sundaramahalinga thEvar)

Scene: Mookayan's wife KalpanA is no longer living with him as they are separated :( But Mookkayan goes to a panjaayaththu and trying to insist the defendant to live with his wife. But it gets back fired badly. He got insulted in the panjaayaththu. he comes back home with the biggest disappointment in life. His grandma was curious to know how the panjaayathu went on.

stage; mookkaiyan and his grandma (*appaththA* is the term which is used for grandma in that community called kaLLar in the Madurai suburb neighborhood)


mookkaiyan: "solavanthaan sundara mhaalinga thEvar pEran!'

panjaaththula enakku kedachchA varavERpa nee paaththirukkanum appadiyE poorichu pOyiruppa" (he is sarcastic here)

His grandma (appaththA): Proudly, appadiyA?! naan varaama pOyittEnE :D

mookkaiyan: naan vanthirukkEnE uyirOda! :(

grandma: mookkaiyA! ennaiyyA solRa? :?

mookkaiyan: kEttAnE oru kELvi! ithunaaL varaikkum evanumE kEtkaadha kELvi!

grandma: naakkumEla pallu pOttu evanyA unnai kELvikEtka mudiyum? :evil:

mookkaiyan: kEttAn appaththaa, "peNdaattiyOda vaazha vakkillaatha neeyellAm enakku panjayaaththu paNRathunu" kEttAn :(

grandmA: mookkaiyA! ippa enna nadanthu pOyiruchchunu kavalai paduRa. nee aambaLai, ithO irukkiRaa raakkammA kiLi maathiri ponnu! avaLai kalyaaNam paNNikkoNdu santhOshamaa irukka vEdiyathu thAnE? :cool:

PP has one of the best claimaxes in Tamil Cinema. Madhavan has done an excellent job clearly picturing the "lifestyle and culture" of this particular community living in Madurai area!

Well, where is Saradha_Sn?????

She will appreciate this more than I am :)

stranger
13th January 2006, 04:10 AM
I just copied and pasted TAcinema's post from "the MGR thread" !

I think it is worth having this post here!

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tacinema wrote!


The problem with you is that your argument is purely one-sided. You listed your favourite actors for the last 50 years, and I imagine you are a very neutral person. What you need to do is think quitely and logically and come to a conclusion that MGR is no match for Sivaji in any cinema department, EXCEPT action movies. BTW, as Joe pointed out, Sivaji too did some action movies, such as Raja and Engal Thanga Raja. Both were commercially super hits. But MGR films such as Kannan Yen Kathalan, Paasam, Nallavan Vallvan, Kalangarai Vilakkam and Ther Thiruvila, which are somewhat "different", failed miserably. Personally, I think Kannan Yen Kathalan and Kalangarai Vilakkam are good movies and they have great songs. Somewhere, you spoke about versatility and saying Kamal was more versatile.. let me give you your own poison and show you how versatile Sivaji was:

1. Parasakthi - run away hit, unbelievable dialogue delivery. Mind it, this is his first movie. His success was unparalleled, not a single tamil actor succeded in first movie itself in such a magnitude. With his powerful action, experienced actor such as SSR were totally sidelined in the movie
2. Andha Naal (acting) - It must be Sivaji's 5th or 6th movie. No songs in the movie, excellent and stylish acting as a spy. Can you imagine any MGR movie without songs... it would be a disaster
3. Thooku Thooki (comedy) - an awesome acting as also a comedian. Legend TMS first sang for Sivaji.
4. Sabash Meena (comedy) - with Chandrababu. Go and watch his timing in comedy. Less say about MGR's comedy sense, the better. Kamal is good in comedy, but I think he cannot match Sivaji's timing.
5. Veera Pandiya Kattabomman (history) - An epic. No words to describe his acting, he just goes deep into skin of the character. Even reruns, this movie made awesome collection, in Madurai (my hometown), it ran over 50 days in 80s.
6. Vasantha Maligai (love/romance) - Another milestone movie. I strongly believe no other movie matched this in love story. This remake is better than Telugu original
7. Deiva Magan (acting) - Excellent action. He made his face looks ugly for one of the characters. Kamal extended that in AS
8. Navarathri - Appearance of 9 different characters. You can distinguish one Sivaji from another easily
9. Thiruvilaiyadal (mythological) - List does not end, all AP Nagarajan movies. Literally he thought puranas to many.
10. Raja (action) - Excellent movie. His stylish dialogue delivery comes in very handy when act as bond-style
11. Paasamalar - Include all "pa" series movies
12. Gauravam (lawyer) - another mile stone movie. This movie is a bench mark movie for any one who acts as a lawyer.
13. Thangapathakkam (police) - another great movie. Movie for a honest police officer
14. Pattakada Pattanama (village) - another blockbuster. Incidentally, the highest collection movie in black and white category (including MGR b/w movies)
15. Sorgam - a dream character, I just love this movie.
16. M.Mariyadhai - An aged thespian showed you that he is worth of every penny, if used properly.

Last but not least - Uththama Puthiran: what a movie. go and watch Sivaji's villain character..........you will be amazed!

MANY MORE..................

Take this versatility and compare with Kamal or any other actor. You will fall flat on the ground. Mind it, Sivaji is second indian (after Nehu) in Independence India who was awarded one day mayor in Columbus city, Ohio, USA. This is the honour that every Tamilian should feel proud of.

I like Kamal, I like MGR too. I just think Sivaji is genius in his own way. Do not compare Kamal's Salangai Oli with any Sivaji movie. Kamal is a learnt and experienced Bharat Natyam dancer. So doing a movie on BNatyam should be a cake walk for him. If Sivaji had known BNatyam, I am sure he would have beaten any actor. But doing a movie like Thillana Mohanambal (without knowing Nadaswaram) is simply uncomparable. If anyone makes an yard stick for comparison, it is mostly sivaji movies. For example, if someone talks about brother-sister love, then Paasamalar immediatly comes to their mind. That is the impression. I agree post-Thirisoolam, Sivaji did bad movies; but don't bash sivaji, just for the argument sake.

You said you can talk about politics enlessely, but I am not sure that this is the correct forum for that. Here, to brief you, I would like to compare MGR as a politican with another politician Kamaraj, not again with Sivaji.

I have to go now and have a good time in arguing.....
------------------------

Amazing write up!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

rachel
13th January 2006, 05:54 AM
what a big post :shock: :shock: :shock:

joe
13th January 2006, 01:06 PM
Super Star Rajini said "People call me as style king..If I am style king ,Nadigar Thilagam is Style Chakaravarthi"

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 04:28 PM
tacinema has given 16 charecters and said shivaji is versatile than kamal!

is it difficult to give a completely different 16 charecters for kamal too! :huh:

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 04:50 PM
:evil:

Shivaji's ERA WAS different.
TECHNICAL improvement during those eras WERE NIL.
Shivaji's scope and chances offered were MUCH LESS in those days.

Considering those, definitely HE HAS RISEN MUCH ABOVE THAN ANY POSSIBLE INDIAN ACTOR :evil:

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 04:54 PM
u must not forget that kamal used the technical or any development in cinema using his pocket money in most of his movies!

kamal has taken his step for technical development........by using his money..which shivaji dint!

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 04:57 PM
U must not forget, THE ERA HE LIVED and audience which he catered to were different.

They would NOT HAVE relished it.

also, KAMAL IS MORE EDUCATED than SHIVAJI.

note: More Educated does not mean more talented.

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 05:12 PM
KAMAL IS MORE EDUCATED THAN SHIVAJI

:lol: :lol:
Kamal havent even finished tenth standard! :lol:

i think he is second standard drop out :lol:

do u think people relish it now

even after hey raam flops kamal comes up with anbe sivam!

even after kuridhipunal he came up with hey raam!

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 05:53 PM
Naan sonnathu nadanthudichu

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 06:59 PM
I know.. kamal is a school drop out. I understand shivaji is even less educated.

GOD what all we argue over!!!!!!!! How LESS QUALIFIED A PERSON ISSSS !!! :lol: :rotfl:

thirumaran,

enna sonnenga? enna nadanthathu?

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 07:05 PM
thirumaran,

enna sonnenga? enna nadanthathu?

In my earlier post i said.

Stranger eppa varuvaar, eppadi varuvar, ethukaaga varuvaarnu yaarukkum theriyaadhu.

Aaanaa vara koodaatha naerathula kandippaaa varuvar..


To prove that, he posted a post from MGR section and started the fight here also.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 07:08 PM
:grin: I enjoyed ur comment about "eppo varuvaar...epdi varuvaar"

Anyway thoughtful of stranger, to post such SENSIBLE post.

The post is SO TRUE :roll:

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 07:10 PM
:grin: I enjoyed ur comment about "eppo varuvaar...epdi varuvaar"

Anyway thoughtful of stranger, to post such SENSIBLE post.

The post is SO TRUE :roll:

except the kamal's part!

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 07:16 PM
:grin: I enjoyed ur comment about "eppo varuvaar...epdi varuvaar"

Anyway thoughtful of stranger, to post such SENSIBLE post.

The post is SO TRUE :roll:

The points on shivaji is true that is it. However people already replied to that post in MGR thread. the point is not that that. Stranger would have posted the 16 movies mentioned by tacinema. Without any need he posted the full script where kamal and MGR also discussed and started the fight. Already a fight is going in MGR thread. Then the same things here also.

huh.

:banghead:

stranger
13th January 2006, 07:19 PM
Well I am no longer in mgr thread. I thought I am the only guilty person in the Hub and others are all innocent especially Mr. Thiru maaRan is as clean/green as grass! :roll: :rotfl:

VK Narayanan
13th January 2006, 07:26 PM
Comparing MGR, Shivaji, and Kamal seems to me like comparing our own past, present, and future. I agree with you that Kamal/Ilaiyaraja is also not our present; he should be treated as our past. The present perhaps is Vijay, Ajit, Surya, AR Rehman, and many others of the new Indian Tamil cinema. What say?

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 07:29 PM
Comparing MGR, Shivaji, and Kamal seems to me like comparing our own past, present, and future. I agree with you that Kamal is also not our present; he should be treated as our past. The present perhaps is Vijay, Ajit, Surya, Ilaiyaraja, and many others of the new Indian Tamil cinema. What say?

KAMAL PAST?

ILAYARAJA PRESENT?

enakku thalaye suthudhu!

VK Narayanan
13th January 2006, 07:34 PM
[quote=

KAMAL PAST?

ILAYARAJA PRESENT?

enakku thalaye suthudhu! Sorry my dear Nilavu! I wanted to mention about ARR not Ilayaraja. Apologies!

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 07:36 PM
anyway....thirupachi is pulling tamilcinema to 80's

whereas hey raam takes it to 2020...

Raghu
13th January 2006, 07:41 PM
:evil:

Shivaji's ERA WAS different.
TECHNICAL improvement during those eras WERE NIL.
Shivaji's scope and chances offered were MUCH LESS in those days.

Considering those, definitely HE HAS RISEN MUCH ABOVE THAN ANY POSSIBLE INDIAN ACTOR :evil: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Kamal mama is like a drop , while Shivaji thaatha is like an OCEAN, pls dont insult the GREATEST actor THAT INDIA HAD EVER produced with OTHER actors.

stranger
13th January 2006, 07:42 PM
Kamal mama is like a drop , while Shivaji thaatha is like an OCEAN.
:rotfl:

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 07:49 PM
Kamal mama is like a drop , while Shivaji thaatha is like an OCEAN.
:rotfl:

yes he is drop...a honey drop

samuthiram peridha thEn thuli peridha...thEn than adhu kamal than

KALAKKA POVADHU YAARU KAMALTHAN
NILAIKKA POVADHU YAARU KAMALTHAN

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 07:54 PM
thEn illama vazha mudiyum
samuthiram is indispensible.

ippo sollunga..... samuthiram peritha thEn thuli perusa?

:P

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 07:56 PM
ofcourse samuthiram is more important in normal life

cinema is an art....it is related with taste and pleasure..

so in cine field then thuli have more respect!

VK Narayanan
13th January 2006, 08:01 PM
ofcourse samuthiram is more important in normal life

cinema is an art....it is related with taste and pleasure..

so in cine field then thuli have more respect! I fully agree with you Nilavu going by the adage, "little drops make an ocean". So who are the other drops which immortalize tamil cinema.

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 08:04 PM
kamal,ilayaraja,mahendran,balachandar,balumahendra ,maniratnam made an ocean in 80's

now only kamal struggles along with some new comers like cheran and bala!

may be podiyans like vikram and surya joining the ocean :D

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 08:04 PM
Kamal mama is like a drop , while Shivaji thaatha is like an OCEAN.
:rotfl:


:rotfl:

Yes. Really a very good Joke.

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 08:04 PM
yeah honey drops are for only pleasure. Taste it and forget it.

OCEAN nevertheless AMAZES U. Its UNIQUE. Its NATURE. Its POWEFUL.

:evil:

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 08:08 PM
yeah honey drops are for only pleasure. Taste it and forget it.

OCEAN nevertheless AMAZES U. Its UNIQUE. Its NATURE. Its POWEFUL.

:evil:

but do u taste ocean water?

u taste the drop...i mean the rain drop


of course shivaji is responsible for kamal's level as he set the stage.....as sea is responsible for rain!

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 08:09 PM
yeah honey drops are for only pleasure. Taste it and forget it.

OCEAN nevertheless AMAZES U. Its UNIQUE. Its NATURE. Its POWEFUL.

:evil:

but do u taste ocean water?

u taste the drop...i mean the rain drop


of course shivaji is responsible for kamal's level as he set the stage.....as sea is responsible for rain!


:thumbsup:

stranger
13th January 2006, 08:11 PM
thEn illama vazha mudiyum
samuthiram is indispensible.

ippo sollunga..... samuthiram peritha thEn thuli perusa?

:P

WoW! shakthi!!! I am impressed! :thumbsup:

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 08:11 PM
so without SEA therez NO RAIN. :lol:

enna argument ithu. enakkE kevalama irukku.

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 08:11 PM
thEn illama vazha mudiyum
samuthiram is indispensible.

ippo sollunga..... samuthiram peritha thEn thuli perusa?

:P

WoW! shakthi!!! I am impressed! :thumbsup:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Shakthiprabha.
13th January 2006, 08:11 PM
STranger,

unga nizhal konjama pattudichu :wink:

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 08:12 PM
so without SEA therez NO RAIN. :lol:

enna argument ithu. enakkE kevalama irukku.

yeah i know!

but i ask u which one is tasty?

cinema is for pleasure and taste!

stranger
13th January 2006, 08:13 PM
STranger,

unga nizhal konjama pattudichu :wink:

:D

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 08:13 PM
Well I am no longer in mgr thread. I thought I am the only guilty person in the Hub and others are all innocent especially Mr. Thiru maaRan is as clean/green as grass! :roll: :rotfl:

:lol:

I think in MGR thread also you are the one initiated the fight. Here also you are continuing the same. But i have not started the fight. I joined. That is it.. I am definetly not clean as grass. But i am cleaner than you..

:lol:

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 08:14 PM
anyway ..let me get it straight!

kamal is more a cinema person than shivaji!

shivaji is a genius in acting..accepted..nothing else!

but kamal invests his money in his experiments...lives for cinema..

writes scripts,direct,etc..

shivaji had many minus points...kamal doesnt even have a single minus point in cinema!

stranger
13th January 2006, 08:15 PM
mr.maaRan: I thought I already said that I am guilty as hell. Why you never get anything properly :?:

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 08:18 PM
mr.maaRan: I thought I already said that I am guilty as hell. Why you never get anything properly :?:

after accepting you have to keep quiet. Why rolling your eyes and rolling here and there thinking that you have given a great joke?

VK Narayanan
13th January 2006, 08:36 PM
anyway ..let me get it straight!

kamal is more a cinema person than shivaji!

shivaji is a genius in acting..accepted..nothing else!

but kamal invests his money in his experiments...lives for cinema..

writes scripts,direct,etc..

shivaji had many minus points...kamal doesnt even have a single minus point in cinema!

Nilavu - Are you favoring Kamal during this discussion, then I shud say this to you. How could you compare Shivaji Ganesan and Kamal. Ufh... it seems to me like comparing Guru and Shiksha. Kamal has perhaps done and reciprocated Shivaji's dialogues and style applying what you mentioned as new experiments - old wine in a new bottle.

What do you think are the minus attribues of the great Shivaji Ganesan when you compared with Kamal or anyoneelse?

Raghu
13th January 2006, 08:48 PM
NILAIKKA POVADHU YAARU KAMALTHAN

Nilavu sir,

Nilaikka poovathu yarum illai, ellam Maya pa.

One request, as you know I am a Super* fan, still truth must be addressed as truth, just because I am Rajni fan, did I say Rajni is a better actor than Shivaji, no, so in the same way, being kamal fan(atic) you must learn to appreciate others talents, as well

what next kamal Mama is better singer than Dr.SPB?? :lol: :lol: :banghead: :banghead:

Pls dont be offended by my post, it was just a KIND request

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 08:58 PM
Some of Kamal's talents and Achivements

1. A great actor who excelled in all the roles he played. Almost 95 percent of movies had natural performances. We can list several
movies to show his versatility in acting department alone.
2. Since He is great in Dance(any kind of dance. Even if he dont know some he can learn within few weeks) he can do roles related to dance talents.
3. Great in action sequences. Knows many of the categories of fights also(Karate, Silambam,etc)
4. Acted in many languages and have given silver jubilee hits in 5 languages. No other actor can dream about this.
5. Only Tamil/ South indian actor who is most known and well respected among non tamilians including north indians also.
6. Got Lots of state/ national / international acclaims which no actor can dream of. Dont come and say that everything he got
with political influene. He is nothing to do with politics.
7. Great Technician.
8. Good Singer (once he came closer to getting national award). Once Yesudass said in an interview that many people called him
and wished him for the song "Sundari neeyum, Sundaran naanu" actually sung by kamal.
9. Good story and screenplay writer. Got recognition for those.
10. Good Dialogue writer too. Got recognition for this too.
11. Great in Direction department. Though he directed only 3 movies. Got recognition for this too.
12. He can fit into many kind of characters than any other actor in India.
13. And lot more.

If we take Versatility in all the aspects of cine industry then he is the king. No one can come near him.
Dont you think that Kamal has reached more heights than shivaji.
Other than that he still has more years in cine industry. So more achivements and more talents will be shown.

Water from many sources forms an ocean. Lots of talents in many departments forms Kamal.
So he is the Ocean.

Finally in a single word. Kamal is the most talented cine personality India had ever produced. Even in the
future no one can come near his talents.

Thanks all for accepting this and stopping the argument.

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 08:59 PM
NILAIKKA POVADHU YAARU KAMALTHAN

Nilavu sir,

Nilaikka poovathu yarum illai, ellam Maya pa.

One request, as you know I am a Super* fan, still truth must be addressed as truth, just because I am Rajni fan, did I say Rajni is a better actor than Shivaji, no, so in the same way, being kamal fan(atic) you must learn to appreciate others talents, as well

what next kamal Mama is better singer than Dr.SPB?? :lol: :lol: :banghead: :banghead:

Pls dont be offended by my post, it was just a KIND request

:lol: :lol: ..rajinyum kamalum actingla onna?..romba comedy pannadheenga sir!

kamal is comparable to shivaji.....

rajni can be compared to shivaji only in name....as he is shivaji rao...none other than that! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i dint mean kamal is a greater actor than shivaji!

but he is more a cinema person than shivaji...in overall talent in cinema kamal is talented than shivaji..which includes direction,script writing production etc

stranger
13th January 2006, 09:14 PM
after accepting you have to keep quiet. Why rolling your eyes and rolling here and there thinking that you have given a great joke?

Why are you here?!

Go to mgr thread or kamal thread!

It was indeed a joke you visit here often and blaming others even after they left that thread! :twisted:

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 09:19 PM
after accepting you have to keep quiet. Why rolling your eyes and rolling here and there thinking that you have given a great joke?

Why are you here?!

Go to mgr thread or kamal thread!

It was indeed a joke you visit here often and blaming others even after they left that thread! :twisted:

Is this the thread owned by you? If others including you can blame me, why should not i do the same? Is that limited to specific persons.

Please Stop your jokes.

:twisted:

stranger
13th January 2006, 09:42 PM
thirumaran,

enna sonnenga? enna nadanthathu?

In my earlier post i said.

Stranger eppa varuvaar, eppadi varuvar, ethukaaga varuvaarnu yaarukkum theriyaadhu.

Aaanaa vara koodaatha naerathula kandippaaa varuvar..


To prove that, he posted a post from MGR section and started the fight here also.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that YOU????????????????????

I even removed your NAME in TAcinema's post!!!!

Dont you see, it is YOU who is causing trouble????

That post fits in very well here rather than there and that is the reason I did copy and paste it! :cool:

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 09:56 PM
thirumaran,

enna sonnenga? enna nadanthathu?

In my earlier post i said.

Stranger eppa varuvaar, eppadi varuvar, ethukaaga varuvaarnu yaarukkum theriyaadhu.

Aaanaa vara koodaatha naerathula kandippaaa varuvar..


To prove that, he posted a post from MGR section and started the fight here also.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that YOU????????????????????

I even removed your NAME in TAcinema's post!!!!

Dont you see, it is YOU who is causing trouble????

That post fits in very well here rather than there and that is the reason I did copy and paste it! :cool:

You are never getting tired doing reasearch on each and every post and every time and trying to find fault but failing miserably.
After that post from tacinema is that me who first started arguing? And Am i the only person who is fighting/arguing here.

When you posted you should have posted only the 16 movies mentioned by tacinema which talks only about shivaji. That way you could have sticked to the topic, why to post evrything talks from MGR, Kamal and Rajini and comaparing them. Is that not the way to start the fight?

Take care my dear.

With luv,
Thirumaran.

stranger
13th January 2006, 10:14 PM
Yeah right!

Seems like you have got addicted to Hub-fighting!

Otherwise if I make a general statemen that "Idiots are not welcome", why the hell you are accusing me of that I meant ONLY YOU! :banghead:

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 10:23 PM
Yeah right!

Seems like you have got addicted to Hub-fighting!

Otherwise if I make a general statemen that "Idiots are not welcome", why the hell you are accusing me of that I meant ONLY YOU! :banghead:

Now you got one of my statement from other thread too. Cool.
Since in some of your posts pointed me as moron and stupid directly or inderectly, i was accusing you. And i said that I am one among the stupid u were pointing too. You itselst agreed on that.

First of all what is the pointing in a statement like that when you open thread.
huh.
So then tell now the truth who are the idiots(more than one) you were pointing to, if u are a genuine person.

stranger
13th January 2006, 10:26 PM
1. Parasakthi - run away hit, unbelievable dialogue delivery. Mind it, this is his first movie. His success was unparalleled, not a single tamil actor succeded in first movie itself in such a magnitude. With his powerful action, experienced actor such as SSR were totally sidelined in the movie
2. Andha Naal (acting) - It must be Sivaji's 5th or 6th movie. No songs in the movie, excellent and stylish acting as a spy. Can you imagine any MGR movie without songs... it would be a disaster
3. Thooku Thooki (comedy) - an awesome acting as also a comedian. Legend TMS first sang for Sivaji.
4. Sabash Meena (comedy) - with Chandrababu. Go and watch his timing in comedy. Less say about MGR's comedy sense, the better. Kamal is good in comedy, but I think he cannot match Sivaji's timing.
5. Veera Pandiya Kattabomman (history) - An epic. No words to describe his acting, he just goes deep into skin of the character. Even reruns, this movie made awesome collection, in Madurai (my hometown), it ran over 50 days in 80s.
6. Vasantha Maligai (love/romance) - Another milestone movie. I strongly believe no other movie matched this in love story. This remake is better than Telugu original
7. Deiva Magan (acting) - Excellent action. He made his face looks ugly for one of the characters. Kamal extended that in AS
8. Navarathri - Appearance of 9 different characters. You can distinguish one Sivaji from another easily
9. Thiruvilaiyadal (mythological) - List does not end, all AP Nagarajan movies. Literally he thought puranas to many.
10. Raja (action) - Excellent movie. His stylish dialogue delivery comes in very handy when act as bond-style
11. Paasamalar - Include all "pa" series movies
12. Gauravam (lawyer) - another mile stone movie. This movie is a bench mark movie for any one who acts as a lawyer.
13. Thangapathakkam (police) - another great movie. Movie for a honest police officer
14. Pattakada Pattanama (village) - another blockbuster. Incidentally, the highest collection movie in black and white category (including MGR b/w movies)
15. Sorgam - a dream character, I just love this movie.
16. M.Mariyadhai - An aged thespian showed you that he is worth of every penny, if used properly.

Last but not least - Uththama Puthiran: what a movie. go and watch Sivaji's villain character..........you will be amazed!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 10:29 PM
Great Post stranger.

Great movies of Nadigar thilagam.


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

VK Narayanan
13th January 2006, 10:45 PM
Dont you think that Kamal has reached more heights than shivaji.
Other than that he still has more years in cine industry. So more achivements and more talents will be shown.

Water from many sources forms an ocean. Lots of talents in many departments forms Kamal.
So he is the Ocean.
Thiru... I am afraid these statements are not agreeable to me as well. I am a great fan of Kamal for all his mentioned achievements, but I dont think we can compare Shivaji's acting with anyone born as a actor not only in the Tamil filmdom but all over India. Perhaps Shivaji's only drawback was that he was the acting king during those times when technology and design was not that much develped and people had to survive acting not by technical gimmicks and cinematic dance shows but by real real direct acting. And, can we attribute this as Shivaji's drawback? I personally dont think so. Forget about all other departments in the films, let us talk about real acting. At times, people do all these different roles just for surviving in this industry. Do you think you can ever compare Kamal with the great Shivaji?

Aren't there Shivaji fans out there? Why dont you folks support the great Shivaji? :(

Aravind_06
13th January 2006, 10:46 PM
Sivaji is a great actor. Please dont compare Kamal with him.
I doubt whether kamal can do a comedy film successfully without crazy mohan (please list out)?? or a film like veerapaandiya kattaboman??
kamalukku yenna thaan meesai suruti vitaalum, murattu role seiya mudiyaadhu. And, Kamal can never do a lower segment man's role.
But sivaji did all kind of roles.
Today's younger generation are only aware of sivaji's later films of his career which are overacted by him. ( Mute his songs and watch. really hillarious). They should watch his older movies- the ones listed by stranger.

nilavupriyan
13th January 2006, 10:50 PM
Sivaji is a great actor. Please dont compare Kamal with him.
I doubt whether kamal can do a comedy film successfully without crazy mohan (please list out)?? or a film like veerapaandiya kattaboman??
kamalukku yenna thaan meesai suruti vitaalum, murattu role seiya mudiyaadhu. And, Kamal can never do a lower segment man's role.But sivaji did all kind of roles.
Today's younger generation are only aware of sivaji's later films of his career which are overacted by him. ( Mute his songs and watch. really hillarious). They should watch his older movies- the ones listed by stranger.

"can kamal do a comedy movie without crazy mohan?" is ur question!

kamal have done comedy without dialogues itself! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

have u seen "pesum padam"

"kamal cant do murattu role"..

dint u see murattu kamal in sathya?.....

kamal in lower segment man role....

dint u see varumai niram sigappu?

hello......i can prove kamal is comparable to shivaji in all aspects with his past movies

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 11:10 PM
Dont you think that Kamal has reached more heights than shivaji.
Other than that he still has more years in cine industry. So more achivements and more talents will be shown.

Water from many sources forms an ocean. Lots of talents in many departments forms Kamal.
So he is the Ocean.
Thiru... I am afraid these statements are not agreeable to me as well. I am a great fan of Kamal for all his mentioned achievements, but I dont think we can compare Shivaji's acting with anyone born as a actor not only in the Tamil filmdom but all over India. Perhaps Shivaji's only drawback was that he was the acting king during those times when technology and design was not that much develped and people had to survive acting not by technical gimmicks and cinematic dance shows but by real real direct acting. And, can we attribute this as Shivaji's drawback? I personally dont think so. Forget about all other departments in the films, let us talk about real acting. At times, people do all these different roles just for surviving in this industry. Do you think you can ever compare Kamal with the great Shivaji?

Aren't there Shivaji fans out there? Why dont you folks support the great Shivaji? :(

Basically the comparisions between Shivaji and Kamal started because of one statement in MGR's Thread.

The statement was "Kamal reached more heights than Shivaji". I said that not in the sense to attack shivaji. If you look at MGR's thread you may understand that. I explained what i meant in other posts of the MGR Thread also. Is the points which i mentioned wont prove that kamal reached more heights than shivaji.

I once again accept that in acting department alone Shivaji is better than Kamal. Saying that kamal is also almost near him in acting. Also Shivaji cannot excel in some of the roles which kamal excelled. But with some kind of homework kamal can do a good show of whatever roles shivaji excelled. More on this you can find in MGR's Thread.

Are you going to say that Kamal showedgood performance in acting only due to technical advancements?

What a dumb argument.


I am leaving other technical areas. Is not dance, fight are part of acting department. If we need to take Raja movies where sword fight may come, can shivaji excel in that?

If we need to take a movie on a dancer with dance also coming, can shivaji do that?

Kamal is not doing different roles/Different experiments to survive in industry. He is doing that to take tamil cinema to more heights.
If tamil industry is popular among the other state people it is because of few persons. Kamal is one among them.

Kamal would have easily contined doing movies like sakala kala vallavan or any other mass roles. If he would have done that even today he would have been the Top hero among tamilians.

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 11:13 PM
kamal can do a comedy film successfully without crazy mohan[/b] (please list out)??

"can kamal do a comedy movie without crazy mohan?" is ur question!

kamal have done comedy without dialogues itself! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

have u seen "pesum padam"


Great Nilavu.
:clap:

stranger
13th January 2006, 11:25 PM
Kamal is not doing different roles/Different experiments to survive in industry. He is doing that to take tamil cinema to more heights.

Is that why he goes to Hollywood trash can???

I would rather watch What about bob and Mrs, Doubtfire original version rather than a "stolen version".

Why do you SAY stealing is an achievment and taking Tamil cinema to heights???

I would say taking tamil cinema to garbage can rather! :twisted:

Thirumaran
13th January 2006, 11:46 PM
Kamal is not doing different roles/Different experiments to survive in industry. He is doing that to take tamil cinema to more heights.

Is that why he goes to Hollywood trash can???

I would rather watch What about bob and Mrs, Doubtfire original version rather than a "stolen version".

Why do you SAY stealing is an achievment and taking Tamil cinema to heights???

I would say taking tamil cinema to garbage can rather! :twisted:

Start comparing the movies you listed versus the Kamal's movies you were pointing to. Let us see how many things/Scenes are really looks like a copy version. I have not seen "what about bob". But other than inspiration from story line what similarities you can show regarding the screenplay and acting which you can say as copying for "Mrs. Doubtfire"?

If you say inspiration from a already existing story or an real life incident or story taken from novels as an copy then nobody can take any movies in this world. Somewhere you can point any storyline from anywhere. May be in movies, real life incident, etc...

What is copying means.

The older movies Rajini acted. Many of the movies he acted was a straight remake from hindi version. All those movies were scene by scene uplifting from the original. Because of those copied versions onle he became popular. Then why the hell you were watching Rajini movies.
You should have watched amitabh movies better
:lol:

Even some of the Shivaji movies also were remake from other language movies. Kamal also did remake. But comparatively very less.

stranger
13th January 2006, 11:49 PM
Start comparing the movies you listed versus the Kamal's movies you were pointing to.

Are you new here????

We went through this several times.

I feel sorry for you if you try to justify this :(

Thirumaran
14th January 2006, 12:11 AM
Start comparing the movies you listed versus the Kamal's movies you were pointing to.

Are you new here????

We went through this several times.

I feel sorry for you if you try to justify this :(

Yes. Definetly i am new in the forum. Other than that i was not interested in searching on what you said. I have other works too. But you are a king in that. Waiting for the time to point some mistakes comparing one post with other though you fails. So better get those posts and give me the link. I will try to go through that.
I know definetly u will do as you were somehow wanted to pull my leg at any cost.

Anyway see you after some time...

Bye for now.

VK Narayanan
14th January 2006, 12:41 AM
I am leaving other technical areas. Is not dance, fight are part of acting department. If we need to take Raja movies where sword fight may come, can shivaji excel in that?

If we need to take a movie on a dancer with dance also coming, can shivaji do that?
Thiru... Let me take only two points here.

Firstly, today's dances and sword fights or any other fights in Tamil or all other movies are being choreographed by seasoned and qualified specialists these days than older days. Have you ever thought of the evolution of direction, scrip-writing, and choreography from the past to the present? Also, singing. I just cant digest how you could compare Shivaji and Kamal, both lived in totally different periods in time and totally different lifestyles as well my dear forget about the technical advancements.

Secondly, Shivaji is not with us to prove any of our arguments right or wrong by acting or fighting or dancing once again. So, I think all our arguments against him would be completely futile similar to that of talking to the winds. Dronacharya in acting of Tamil cinema is Shivaji Ganesan. Cheers!

Thirumaran
14th January 2006, 01:34 AM
VK Narayanan,



Secondly, Shivaji is not with us to prove any of our arguments right or wrong by acting or fighting or dancing once again.


There is no need for Shivaji to prove he is a good dancer/fighter now. He could have done in his days itself.



Thiru... Let me take only two points here.

Firstly, today's dances and sword fights or any other fights in Tamil or all other movies are being choreographed by seasoned and qualified specialists these days than older days. Have you ever thought of the evolution of direction, scrip-writing, and choreography from the past to the present? Also, singing. I just cant digest how you could compare Shivaji and Kamal, both lived in totally different periods in time and totally different lifestyles as well my dear forget about the technical advancements.

Of course the technical advancements is much higher nowadays.
Do you think the dances he performed in SKV, Salangai Oli, etc and the fight sequences he did in Kakki Chattai, TTT, Enakkul oruvan etc were good only because of technical advancements?
Definetly we cannot compare two persons from different generation due to life different life styles. I was also origininally not interested in that. But certain basic things remain same in different generations.



Dronacharya in acting of Tamil cinema is Shivaji Ganesan. Cheers!

Well said. No doubts. I also was saying similiar things only. That Kamal is the follower of Shivaji.
If shivaji is Dronacharya then Kamal is like Karnan/ Arjuna.

I initially said only one thing. Kamal followed the foot steps of Shivaji and achieved more heights than Shivaji. I still dont understand what was wrong in that statement. Did karnan/ Arjuna did not reach more heights than Dronacharya. Did you not reach more heights than your father. Always there is a possiblity of next generation to achive more things than the previous generation.
That is what i meant with my statement. Then people started bashing me for that statement.

I definetly feel more prouder for Shivaji since he is the one among the responsible person for Kamal's greater achivements.

:thumbsup:

stranger
14th January 2006, 04:09 AM
deleted as it is irrelevant here. :)

Thirumaran
14th January 2006, 04:20 AM
Thanks Stranger,
As expected you have posted something for me. However i have given some points on the inspiration stuff already in my post. However for the sake of yours, I will definetly post more on this stuff some other day. I am really tired of posting big replies today.

Take care,
Have a nice week end.

Alien
14th January 2006, 04:24 AM
If we take Versatility in all the aspects of cine industry then Kamal is the king. No one can come near him.Dont you think that Kamal has reached more heights than shivaji.
Other than that he still has more years in cine industry. So more achivements and more talents will be shown.

Water from many sources forms an ocean. Lots of talents in many departments forms Kamal.
So he is the Ocean.Finally in a single word. Kamal is the most talented cine personality India had ever produced. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Even in the
future no one can come near his talents.

Thanks all for accepting this and stopping the argument.
I see some desperate RK fans here, trying to pull Kamal down by comparing him with Shivaji in comedy and action roles :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: .........Sorry Shivaji HC fans(Joe, tacinema, VKNarayanan) if I hurt ur sentiments !
I very well accept Shivaji is best in acting ! But as a complete personality Kamal is the best !
8-)

Thirumaran
14th January 2006, 04:41 AM
Stranger,
Just browsed through some of the pages in that thread. In that thread itself there are lots of apt reply.

So why are you concerned in a reply from me.

Thanks for understanding.
bye

stranger
14th January 2006, 04:44 AM
That thread was taken over by closed-minded KH fanatics and tried to change the "color".

But I dont give a damn about anybody's jdgment because I have a brain of my own.

Views change over the time but NOT THE FACTS.

One thing I can never stand is Taking credit for someone else creation> That is me :)

Thirumaran
14th January 2006, 04:51 AM
That thread was taken over by closed-minded KH fanatics and tried to change the "color".

But I dont give a damn about anybody's jdgment because I have a brain of my own.

Views change over the time but NOT THE FACTS.

One thing I can never stand is Taking credit for someone else creation> That is me :)

Then why the hell you like Rajini. He was very much inspired by MGR type movies. Also he was was much inspired or a copy of amitabh. Why not he keep in the credits of his several older movies as Rajini(Copy of Amitabh)


:lol:

I think you like vijay too. No need to say that he copies Rajini.

:lol:

Chalo. Signing out for the day.

Bye....

Alien
14th January 2006, 04:53 AM
Even in Chandramukhi, RK & P.vasu had such a hard-time in accepting that it was a lift/copy of MC :lol: :lol: ....I don't think it was yet credited in the movie , same goes to a lot of RK's 80's movies.....What do u say for that? :roll:

stranger
14th January 2006, 04:57 AM
Thirumaraaran and Jana!

yeah, yeah yeah, you are correct!

Get back to the topic or just leave! Thanks to you! :notworthy:

joe
14th January 2006, 07:27 AM
THirumaran,
As a Sivaji Veriyan and Die-hard kamal fan,I have acknowledged that Kamal is the Best All rounder ,Where as Sivaji is the Chakkaravarthi of Acting.

Isn't it OK with you?

P_R
14th January 2006, 08:11 AM
I guess it boils down to what kind of acting you enjoy more.

Vietnam Veedu vs. Andha Naal
Thangappadhakkam vs. Mudhal MAriyaadhai
Rajaraja Chozhan vs. ThEvar Magan

If you want too "see" acting then Sivaji is miles ahead of anyone else, including Kamal. These are the choices on the left.

But IMO it is the choices on the right that underline how his extraordinary talent was woefully underutilized, despite his 300 odd filmography.

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 08:14 AM
THirumaran,
As a Sivaji Veriyan and Die-hard kamal fan,I have acknowledged that Kamal is the Best All rounder ,Where as Sivaji is the Chakkaravarthi of Acting.

Isn't it OK with you?

good! :D

kamal's talent is spread as ocean........

u should also accept that the throne of shivaji is now occupied by kamal at present! :D

aterall kamal is the succesor of shivaji!

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 08:17 AM
I guess it boils down to what kind of acting you enjoy more.

Vietnam Veedu vs. Andha Naal
Thangappadhakkam vs. Mudhal MAriyaadhai
Rajaraja Chozhan vs. ThEvar Magan

If you want too "see" acting then Sivaji is miles ahead of anyone else, including Kamal. These are the choices on the left.

But IMO it is the choices on the right that underline how his extraordinary talent was woefully underutilized, despite his 300 odd filmography.

do u say shivaji was underutilized in mudhal mariyadhai,thevar mahan?

:lol: :lol: ..

in my opinion those were the two great performances i have saw in the cine screen!....

mudhal mariyadhai...a script made for shivaji...100/100

devar mahan....its the vito corleone of india...an answer to them

tacinema
14th January 2006, 08:55 AM
Here, I cut and paste what I posted in MGR thread. I have not changed anything and consider only relevant portions for discussion:

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Thirumaran,

You are too emotional; cool off man. You are mixing the forum topic, this topic was originally a MGR thread. You, as a single person, virtually changed it to Sivaji vs Kamal fight. You need to go back to original topic and come out with a convincing list of MGR movies that every member of this forum will like. Please keep in mind that this is a public forum, so every member will jump in and praise or hate your statement. Be prepared to accept it. When you come out with a list of MGR movies, just do not stop with Madurai veeran, Kanchi thalaivan,NM, AP, USV (last three were made by MGR himself); you need to provide more movies and details to convince other forum members.

I like good cinema. I am a sivaji fan. I did not have any difficulty to give this forum a list of movies (16 movies) to show case Nadigar thilagam's versatility and also I added that many more can be given. I could continue that list, but it will be endless. That was Sivaji's power and I also mentioned his limit in doing action roles. As Joe and others highlighted, Sivaji acted in some very successful action movies, egs: Raja, Engal thanga raaja, thirisoolam. I heard Thirisoolam collection was so huge that Government of TN under MGR had to change the rule to collect the tax. That show cases his power and only after a very long time, Bhagyaraj movie (mundhanai mudichi) beat that collection. Even his movie Sandhipoo (dual role, one acted with Sridevi, as you were mentioning above) of Sivaji Productions was a super hit movie and it ran silver jubilee in every major centers.

You need to keep in mind, for Sivaji, there was no body before him to be compared. But, you have got a base line for Kamal, you are comparing Kamal with Sivaji. Kamal is a good actor/director/dancer, but according to my view, the comparison of sivaji vs kamal does not have any merit. Just one point: All Sivaji movies (in 50/60s and partly 70s) were kind of experimentation movies. He succeded in a big way including commercially, and his success rate was so big that was never witnessed before in tamil cinema (Read Randor guy's article in The Hindu, most of his articles still available in Hindu's archives). Some of his movies were way ahead of time, example: Andha Naal, Thooku Thooki, Uthmaa Puthiran, Puthiya Paravai. Kamal experimentation movies lack something. Some of his movies, though quality movies, fail at the BO collection, example: aalavandhan, hey raam, AS, MXpress,Raja Paarvai etc. I like Kamal's good movies, like Devar Magan was great, almost a classic (sivaji and revathy role in the movie made a big difference, that is entirely a different story).

In my last post, I was not asking you to show me an actor who can make VPKattabomman. I was challenging you whether any other actor can beat SIVAJI's PERFORMANCE, not to make the kattabomman again. Let me reiterate my point: Sivaji is UNIQUE in acting, his success cannot be repeated and that is why I said earlier that Sivaji is a genius in his own way. This opinion was concurred by many great actors, like Bollywood's Dilip Kumar and Hollywood's Marlyn Brando. Sivaji's presence was so powerful that he virtually defined what an acting is and people accepted that definition. TN agreed that "nadipirkku illakkanam Sivaji" and no body can come close to that. IMO, Kamal is a good actor; to bring more out of Kamal, he should act under very talented directors. There was always some rumour that Kamal does not go well with most of directors; i dont know how far it is true.

Any way, I want to stop sivaji vs kamal argument. I am expecting some good writing about MGR movies from Thiru (of course, on MGR thread, not here)

I have to go now and have a great and prosperous tamilzhar tirunaal PONGAL.

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nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 09:00 AM
a little change....shivaji dint experiment...shivaji is a part of experiment!

the story writers,directors and courageaous producers are experimenters!

but kamal uses his own money,directs himself and writes his own scripts for experiments like hey raam...

he is not just a part!

Justice
14th January 2006, 09:04 AM
Kamal is the best for acting
Sivaji is good for dialogue delivering

P_R
14th January 2006, 09:29 AM
do u say shivaji was underutilized in mudhal mariyadhai,thevar mahan?

Laughing Laughing .. You did not get what I wrote. It is my opinion that these are Sivaji's best performances and they underline how much he has been underutilized in his long filmography.

This was a man who was ready with tremendous talent in Andha Naal (1954 itself). IMO that was his best performance. And his next best comes in 1992.

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 09:33 AM
u are right man!

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 09:33 AM
kamal dint do that mistake!

he produced movies to showcase his talent

Aravind_06
14th January 2006, 09:47 AM
stranger.[/quote]

"can kamal do a comedy movie without crazy mohan?" is ur question!

kamal have done comedy without dialogues itself! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

have u seen "pesum padam"

"kamal cant do murattu role"..

dint u see murattu kamal in sathya?.....

kamal in lower segment man role....

dint u see varumai niram sigappu?

hello......i can prove kamal is comparable to shivaji in all aspects with his past movies[/quote]

yes. You are correct. How did I forgot these movies. May be that, Kamal did not got the Directors- that shivaji use to get those days. As Kamal is too much indulging himself in the movies, he is losing the choice to work with the likes of Bala, cheran, selvaragavan etc. Its good now that he is working with Gautam.

Alien
14th January 2006, 09:48 AM
a little change....shivaji dint experiment...shivaji is a part of experiment!

the story writers,directors and courageaous producers are experimenters!

but kamal uses his own money,directs himself and writes his own scripts for experiments like hey raam...
he is not just a part!
Well said ! Kamal stands tall there 8-) ...The first movie Kamal produced was RAAJAPAARVAI (1981, after 7 years in cinema)! Thats what real experiment is !! :thumbsup:

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 09:54 AM
Kamal is not doing different roles/Different experiments to survive in industry. He is doing that to take tamil cinema to more heights.

Is that why he goes to Hollywood trash can???

I would rather watch What about bob and Mrs, Doubtfire original version rather than a "stolen version".

Why do you SAY stealing is an achievment and taking Tamil cinema to heights???

I would say taking tamil cinema to garbage can rather! :twisted:

hey raam from hollywood trash can?
mahanadhi from trash can?
devar mahan from trash can?(it may be inspired from godfather...but the best inspiration)

what abt pesum padam,moondram pirai.........come on man!..u cant hide the talent of the greatest actor at present in indian cinema!

joe
14th January 2006, 10:56 AM
a little change....shivaji dint experiment...shivaji is a part of experiment!

the story writers,directors and courageaous producers are experimenters!

but kamal uses his own money,directs himself and writes his own scripts for experiments like hey raam...
he is not just a part!
Well said ! Kamal stands tall there 8-) ...The first movie Kamal produced was RAAJAPAARVAI (1981, after 7 years in cinema)! Thats what real experiment is !! :thumbsup:

The same way ,the first movie of Sivaji Films 'Puthiya Paravai' was an experiment too considering those days.

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 10:58 AM
a little change....shivaji dint experiment...shivaji is a part of experiment!

the story writers,directors and courageaous producers are experimenters!

but kamal uses his own money,directs himself and writes his own scripts for experiments like hey raam...
he is not just a part!
Well said ! Kamal stands tall there 8-) ...The first movie Kamal produced was RAAJAPAARVAI (1981, after 7 years in cinema)! Thats what real experiment is !! :thumbsup:

The same way ,the first movie of Sivaji Films 'Puthiya Paravai' was an experiment too considering those days.

just the first movie?....any other notable movies by shivaji productions?

joe
14th January 2006, 11:16 AM
Nilavupriyan,
I feel pity for your ignorance

//a little change....shivaji dint experiment...shivaji is a part of experiment!

the story writers,directors and courageaous producers are experimenters!
//

Not all the actors had a courage to accept different,challenging rolles after they became stars ..You should have known MGR (Who is also star in sivaji's time) can't take any challenging different roles.

Nadigar Thilagam became super Star of Tamil cinema with his first movie 'Parasakthi' unlike MGR who struggled to became a star.

Even after his stardom in first movie itself ,Nadigar Thilagam had a courage to act as a Villian and Desa throgi in a movie.

He had a courage to act in first tamil movie with no songs'Antha Naal'

He had a courage to act as a father of aged daughters in his 30s.

He was in his 30s when he acted in Vietnam veedu as a 60 year old family leader.

He had a courage to act from majaestic kings to pichakaran ,and convince his fans and public and he made them to accept it as a art.

It will be endless.

I think it is useless to repeat all these again and again

joe
14th January 2006, 11:18 AM
Nilavupriyan,
Please don't come up with list of kamal's courage to make me understand .

I am a bigger kamal fan than you,if not equal..Go and ask our own kamal ,who gave the courage to him to take challenging roles ..he will tell you.."It is my guru Nadigar Thilagam"

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 11:32 AM
infact shivaji is most courageous(than kamal) to select those types of roles in 1950's and 60's..accepted.

but producing those types of movies needs more curage than that!


shivaji continued that path as his films became hits....but kamal contnues even after mahanadhai,hey raam and anbe sivam flops!

he produces those kind of movies!..shivaji dint take any risks in productiopn like that!..in his last period ..he did movies like sangili and dr.siva...

kamal lives in cinema more than shivaji


btw..good to know u r a kamal fan too...and im a shivaji fan for ur info!

joe
14th January 2006, 11:48 AM
Nilavu,
You need to understand some facts
//but producing those types of movies needs more curage than that! //
Sivaji is not a producer who invloved directly in movie production..Even though 'sivaji films' was his property ,it was taken care by his brother shanmugam.

Nadigar Thilagam is a pure actor,unlike kamal who is a All rounder...I am tired of repeating this.

//shivaji continued that path as his films became hits//

Is it sivaji's mistake to made his different movies successful ..Do you know his most favourate movies Karan,Kappaloyyita Tamilan were flops ..But he never gave up after that.

//good to know u r a kamal fan too//
ha ha..That is very funny ..In old forumhub ,I was termed as a kamal fanatic ,I was more active then ..You may not know.

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 11:53 AM
good!

//shivaji is a pure actor//

yeah...he is purely an actor knly and ofcourse a wonderful actor..i m not saying that kamal is a nice actor than shivaji!

im just saying kamal takes more risk in films than shivaji by producing...kamal is more involved in cinema than shivaji!

if u take acting alone...no arguments..even kamal have confirmed it!

S.Balaji
14th January 2006, 01:14 PM
dear Nilavu...

Neenga oru Kamal fan enbadhu ulagamay arindha vishayam....

Adharkaaga ..Nadigar thilagathai thaazthi ezudhavendaamay.....

You are only trying to glorify your Kamal in this thread and unknowingly you are degrading Shivaji .......

Its history that Kamal himself had acknowledged on every occasion that Nadigar thilagam is the ultimate actor that he had come across in life.....

Shivaji doesnt need any other tribute from any one....

Even the awards mean nothing to him....its what his fans think about him is paramount for him......

I wonder why SOMEONE'S FILM PRODUCTION SKILLS ARE BEING ANALYSED TO IDENTIFY WHO IS GREATER....
IF SHIVAJI DIDNT MAKE EXPERIMENTS LIKE KAMAL,

ITS A COMMERCIAL DECISION .....PROBABLY HE DIDNT WANT TO BURN HIS HARD EARNED MONEY.....

BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT HE IS LOWER BY ANY STANDARDS !!!

YOUR CLAIMS ARE SOMEWHAT STRANGE .....

Your definition of ROMANCE ... is invited here in this thread and not in MGR thread....

Can you pls enlighten us on your definition of ROMANCE IS ALL ABOUT ....

so that we can come up with our views on how Nadigar thilagam also did movies with romance...

HAPPY PONGAL...

nilavupriyan
14th January 2006, 01:22 PM
first of all i dint degrade shivaji at all!

i accept he is best in acting!

i just mean as a overall cinema persona kamal is best!

anything wrong? :roll:

Thirumaran
14th January 2006, 11:42 PM
THirumaran,
As a Sivaji Veriyan and Die-hard kamal fan,I have acknowledged that Kamal is the Best All rounder ,Where as Sivaji is the Chakkaravarthi of Acting.

Isn't it OK with you?

Absolutely. Did not i say that before? If we take only acting then shivaji is better than Kamal. In your words shivaji is the chakravarty of acting. If anyone goes back and check and never started/said anywhere that in acting department kamal is greater/ better than shivaji. I said only one thing. Kamal reached more heights than Shivaji and i explained the same in other posts that what i meant. And the manner i said was not to lower shivaji. Others thought that in a different manner. That is it.

Every Tamilian knows that in acting department alone shivaji is the king or chakravarthy. Kamal is the follower of shivaji in acting department and he is doing a good job till now.

Is that enough?

:thumbsup:

VK Narayanan
15th January 2006, 12:46 AM
THirumaran,
As a Sivaji Veriyan and Die-hard kamal fan,I have acknowledged that Kamal is the Best All rounder ,Where as Sivaji is the Chakkaravarthi of Acting.

Isn't it OK with you?

Absolutely. Did not i say that before? If we take only acting then shivaji is better than Kamal. In your words shivaji is the chakravarty of acting. If anyone goes back and check and never started/said anywhere that in acting department kamal is greater/ better than shivaji. I said only one thing. Kamal reached more heights than Shivaji and i explained the same in other posts that what i meant. And the manner i said was not to lower shivaji. Others thought that in a different manner. That is it.

Every Tamilian knows that in acting department alone shivaji is the king or chakravarthy. Kamal is the follower of shivaji in acting department and he is doing a good job till now.

Is that enough?

:thumbsup:So nice of you Thirumaran. World has become a better place to live in now. It was a wonderful discussion folks. Thoroughly enjoyed listening to all of your thoughts. Cheers! :thumbsup:

Shakthiprabha.
15th January 2006, 01:29 PM
I accept he is best in actinng!




If we take only acting then shivaji is better than Kamal.
Every Tamilian knows that in acting department alone shivaji is the king or chakravarthy. Kamal is the follower of shivaji in acting department and he is doing a good job till now.
:thumbsup:

GOOD. :thumbsup:

AND THATS ALL, WE WANTED. :D :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

sincerely,
shivaji craze fanatic,
Shakthiprabha

S.Balaji
15th January 2006, 05:12 PM
first of all i dint degrade shivaji at all!

i accept he is best in acting!

i just mean as a overall cinema persona kamal is best!

anything wrong? :roll:

Nilavu....

If you are analysing OVERALL CINEMA PERSONA....then it becomes a race between Kamal and MGR....... ultimately Kamal may win as an actor ...

nilavupriyan
15th January 2006, 05:15 PM
first of all i dint degrade shivaji at all!

i accept he is best in acting!

i just mean as a overall cinema persona kamal is best!

anything wrong? :roll:

Nilavu....

If you are analysing OVERALL CINEMA PERSONA....then it becomes a race between Kamal and MGR....... ultimately Kamal may win as an actor ...

imho...no competition at all!... :wink:

Alien
15th January 2006, 05:22 PM
Nilavu....

If you are analysing OVERALL CINEMA PERSONA....then it becomes a race between Kamal and MGR....... ultimately Kamal may win as an actor ...
imho...no competition at all!... :wink:
Ok,S.Balaji, now MGR vs Kamal :!: :?: ..... :lol: .....
I too think , no competition at all 8-)

S.Balaji
15th January 2006, 05:29 PM
Nilavu and Vasanth dear....

MGR vs Kamal .....idhai MGR threadil vaithu kollalaamay please ??

Nilavu MGR threadil Nadigar thilagathai patri ezudhinaar adhanaal dhaan avarai ingay post panna chonen.....

Ultimately, Neenga rendu perum Kamalin rasigargal ! Unga thalaivarai vittu kodukkamaateeral !

Indeed Kamal , overall is the best....what I have highlighted is that Makkal thilagam also did well in other finer aspects of making a movie like Cinematography, direction, editing, music , screen play....
the only difference between Kamal and Makkal thilagam should be ACTING....

Ungal thalaivar ...how strong he is on MUSIC..... Makkal thilagam's songs are HISTORY now....even now they are being heard...
Unga thalaivar eppodhum IR follower endru ninaikiren...
Can you explain how strong Kamal is on music ? but not here it should be in MGR thread please

Bye and happy pongal

nilavupriyan
15th January 2006, 05:34 PM
Nilavu and Vasanth dear....

MGR vs Kamal .....idhai MGR threadil vaithu kollalaamay please ??

Nilavu MGR threadil Nadigar thilagathai patri ezudhinaar adhanaal dhaan avarai ingay post panna chonen.....

Ultimately, Neenga rendu perum Kamalin rasigargal ! Unga thalaivarai vittu kodukkamaateeral !

Indeed Kamal , overall is the best....what I have highlighted is that Makkal thilagam also did well in other finer aspects of making a movie like Cinematography, direction, editing, music , screen play....
the only difference between Kamal and Makkal thilagam should be ACTING....

Ungal thalaivar ...how strong he is on MUSIC..... Makkal thilagam's songs are HISTORY now....even now they are being heard...
Unga thalaivar eppodhum IR follower endru ninaikiren...
Can you explain how strong Kamal is on music ? but not here it should be in MGR thread please

Bye and happy pongal

i pity on ur ignorance!

kamal have a very deep knowledge in music(carnatic)....balamuralikrishna is the teacher for him!

kamal is as good as any normal carnatic music singers in music...ilayaraja itself said in his concert "avarukku ellam theriyum...chumma nadikkararu"..when kamal hesitated to sing!

Shakthiprabha.
15th January 2006, 06:02 PM
Kamal vs MGR.

yeah preferably PLEASE go to MGR thread.

I too feel therez absolutely NO COMEPTITION. :wink:

nilavupriyan
15th January 2006, 06:32 PM
Kamal vs MGR.

yeah preferably PLEASE go to MGR thread.

I too feel therez absolutely NO COMEPTITION. :wink:

balaji could have asked the question in m.g.r thread!

i just answered as it is asked here!

stranger
16th January 2006, 11:41 PM
a little change....shivaji dint experiment...shivaji is a part of experiment!

the story writers,directors and courageaous producers are experimenters!

but kamal uses his own money,directs himself and writes his own scripts for experiments like hey raam...

he is not just a part!

SO what?????

Marlon brando, Jack nickholson, Dustin hoffman or Tom Hanks did not do experiment but they acted.

But the clown, Kevin Costner did more than acting.


So according to your "expt" logic, Are you saying Kevin Costner is better than those geniuses????


Cut the crap! :twisted:

Shakthiprabha.
18th January 2006, 03:33 PM
I happen to see THILLANA MOHANAMBAL sometime back.......

every scene was well done.

I loved shivaji's acting thro out. I cant forget to mention, the scene just after padmini's call for an open competition.

His face would have anger, frustration, embarassment, shock, dismay, detest, EVERYTHING in just a SPLIT SECOND...........

what an actor :clap:

Raghu
18th January 2006, 03:56 PM
SP acca,

I saw thiruvilaiyadhal that day, yaba, what a performance pa , what a performance. Esp that fisher man walk, superb , excellent

Shivaji thatha-ku orul BIG lakalaklaklakalkalaklaka

Shakthiprabha.
18th January 2006, 03:59 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

shivaji mathiri innoruthar vara mudiyathu.

Thiruvilaiyadal never stops to amaze me.

stranger
18th January 2006, 07:36 PM
Shakthi:

sikkal shanmuga sundharamum

mOhanAngiyum,

yappA! made for each other! :)

Shakthiprabha.
18th January 2006, 08:07 PM
Rightly said stranger.

They ARE made for each other :grin:

I heard the novel had a diff climax though. A tragic one. Thank god this was not a tragedy. I could not have tolerated it.

***

Padmini BEING A DANCER, portrayed the expressions of dancer's conversation very well. MANY DANCERS body speaks volume when they converse. Their eyes, hands, play during casual talks.

She would have done it perfectly well.....

tacinema
24th January 2006, 08:18 AM
I would like to list some of Sivaji's negative (not a regular good hero) character movies:

1. Andha Naal
2. Uththama Puthiran (dual role, one was a villain)
3. Bale Pandya (3 roles, with MR Radha, one was a villain)
4. Engal thanga raaja (2 roles, one was a pseudo villain)
5. Vasantha Maaligai (partly womanizer)

Any other movies?

I believe Sivaji was the only established tamil actor, who in 1970, released two movies on the same day and both were superhits. More importantly, he played entirely two different characters in these movies. In one, he came as a mentally disordered person and in another, he acted as a middle class family man who wants to rich. Movies: Sorgam and Engiruntho Vanthal. Any other established tamil hero achieved this feat?

joe
24th January 2006, 09:40 AM
tacinema,
Nice post.

Nadigar Thilagam holds many unique records ,even in box office.

Veerapandiya kattabomman is the only movie so far ran 100 days in it's second release after few years.

Shakthiprabha.
24th January 2006, 09:55 AM
Enga thanga raj?????? (not heard of it!!)


One more film I remember.....

Shivaji plays kalnayak or antihero........... his brother I suppose is muthuraman..(who becomes police inspector obviosuly) and hunts out for the big boss of the gang, whoz ofcourse shivaji.

What movie is that?

arvind
26th January 2006, 08:59 AM
At 35, Kamal released Aboorva Sagodharargal(1989)
At 35, Rajini released Nallavanakku Nallavan(1984)
At 35, Sivaji released Aalayamani(1962)
At 35, Vaathiyar released Andaman Kaidhi(1952)
At 35, Thala will release Naan, Kadavul(2006)

At 25, Kamal released Kalyanaraman(1979)
At 25, Sivaji released Barasakthi(1952)
At 25, Vaathiyar released Dhasippen(1942)
At 25, Thala released Kadhal Kottai(1996)

:thumbsup:

pooja.shankar
26th January 2006, 01:12 PM
i just learnt it ...

nadigar thilagam sivaji and makkal thilagam MGR.....nice

Thirumaran
26th January 2006, 11:38 PM
Hey,
Anybody know the movie of Shivaji directed by Balachandar. It was a very nice movie. He acted as Lawyer i think...

Kollywoodfan
26th January 2006, 11:39 PM
the one with the double role? :? him and his son...

Thirumaran
26th January 2006, 11:42 PM
Nope. It is a single role. It is a very nice movie. Seen quite long ago. Could not recollect the story also. Something to do with speaking truth.

stranger
26th January 2006, 11:43 PM
It was answered by RR sometime ago in query section. :cool:

However I knew the answer independently as I have seen this movie and remember it too :)

It is "ethiroli". It is a thriller and shivaji will be black-mailed by sundar raajan who used to be a taxi-driver. KR Vijaya was his partner!

Thirumaran
26th January 2006, 11:47 PM
It was answered by RR sometime ago in query section. :cool:

However I knew the answer independently as I have seen this movie and remember it too :)

It is "ethiroli". It is a thriller and shivaji will be black-mailed by sundar raajan who used to be a taxi-driver. KR Vijaya was his partner!

Yeah
:thumbsup:

Shakthiprabha.
30th January 2006, 07:56 AM
Reviving the thread...........

Yesterday I happen to watch an old song...

"kanavin maya logathilE naam kalanthE ullasam kanbomE"

What stylish walk shivaji has!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Style+manliness+handsome grin :D = shivaji walk

whoaaa :clap:

joe
30th January 2006, 12:15 PM
Reviving the thread...........

Yesterday I happen to watch an old song...

"kanavin maya logathilE naam kalanthE ullasam kanbomE"

What stylish walk shivaji has!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Style+manliness+handsome grin :D = shivaji walk

whoaaa :clap:

True sakthi.

Bhakyaraj once told "Many actors used to get claps and whistles from audience by their acting,dialogue delivery ,dance,stunts..But for the first time the one and only actor who got more whistle and claps just for a walk is Nadigar Thilagam"

Shakthiprabha.
30th January 2006, 12:32 PM
:) :clap:

Yesterday I was MEZMERISED........ by his charm oozing out in that song. seriously :)

joe
5th February 2006, 10:05 PM
Recently ,I happened to watch the song 'Ye Raja Ontranom Intru' from Jallikattu .The aged Nadigar Thilagam incomparable with his stylish walk and majestic look ..When sathyaraj walk together with Nadigar Thilagam ..wow..Nadigar thilagam walk and stylish look ,sathyaraj with tall figure looks kid infront of Nadigar Thilagam

m_23_bayarea
5th February 2006, 11:36 PM
I loved Sivaji in the song "POOMAALAYIL OR MALLIGAI" from Ooty Varai Uravu ... I was told by the elders that that song was considered to be too romantic in those days, but the youngsters all went crazy abt it ... And all the college students used to whistle like crazy for that song it seems ... But Sivaji looked dashing in that brown T-Shirt, along with KR Vijaya !!

Thirumaran
9th February 2006, 01:06 AM
One of my very favourite Shivaji song is posted here.

Nadigar Thilagam :
Indhiya Naadu en Veedu, Indhiyan enbadhu en Paeru,
Ella Makkalum en Uravu,
Elloar mozhiyum en Paechu...
Isai kodu thulukkar en Thoazar,
Thevan Yaesuvum En Kadavul..

KR Vijaya :
Ellaa madhamum en madhamae,
Ethuvum enakku sammathamae..
Ragubathy Raagava Raajaraam,
Patheentha Paavala seetha Raam.



M.R : Ithiko, ithiko ikkada Paarungo,
Sundara Telunginil Paadungo,
Kuschupudi nadanam aadungo,
kal moganarangaa paadungo,
kal moganarangaa paadungo

Manorama : Yaenu Swamy, illi loodu,
enga vooru mysoru,
Kaaviri Pirantha kannada naatai,
yaavarum poatri sollvaaru..
Yaenu Swamy, illi loodu,
enga vooru mysoru,

V.K.Ramaswamy :
Padichoan Padaichoan,
Engala Padaichoan,
Alla Engal allah, Allahu allah,
Nyaanum ivalum jananam eduthathu,
Kerala Thesam Jilla,
Thaekku thennai Paakku marangal ivida,
noakanum neengum,
Ithe paarthu vellayan vanthaan thaanga..
Padichoan Padaichoan,
Engala Padaichoan..

Major Sundarrajan :
Suno suno saab, Suno suno Saab,
Punjab vaalaa Geet suno,
Thanga Kalasam Porkovil,
Engal ooril dheko dheko,
dheko dheko oh dheko dheko..

Nadigar Thilagam:
Engu piranthum engu valarnthum ellaam,
Oru thaai pillaigal.
Bharatha Vilasil koodi Pazhagi,
Saernthu vasikkum pillaigal,
Sathiyam engal geetham,
samathuvam engal geetham..
Varuvathai pagirnthu unboam,

Everyone :
vanthae Maatharam enboam..
vanthae Maatharam,
vanthae Maatharam,
vanthae Maatharam...

Raghu
9th February 2006, 06:32 PM
Recently ,I happened to watch the song 'Ye Raja Ontranom Intru' from Jallikattu .The aged Nadigar Thilagam incomparable with his stylish walk and majestic look ..When sathyaraj walk together with Nadigar Thilagam ..wow..Nadigar thilagam walk and stylish look ,sathyaraj with tall figure looks kid infront of Nadigar Thilagam

Oh yes, I saw this song recently for Shivaji Sir, greatetest singer that INDIA had ever produced DR.SPB sings and for Sathyraj maama Mano sings it, yes, Shivaji sir is ALWAYS superb pa


One more question to all,

I was watching another song of the GREATEST Dr.SPB, the song is like this, 'Thirutheeril varum silaiy' some one pls tell me the name of the film, I must watch this for the songs, plssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss tell me the name of this Film

joe
9th February 2006, 07:10 PM
Recently ,I happened to watch the song 'Ye Raja Ontranom Intru' from Jallikattu .The aged Nadigar Thilagam incomparable with his stylish walk and majestic look ..When sathyaraj walk together with Nadigar Thilagam ..wow..Nadigar thilagam walk and stylish look ,sathyaraj with tall figure looks kid infront of Nadigar Thilagam

Oh yes, I saw this song recently for Shivaji Sir, greatetest singer that INDIA had ever produced DR.SPB sings and for Sathyraj maama Mano sings it, yes, Shivaji sir is ALWAYS superb pa


One more question to all,

I was watching another song of the GREATEST Dr.SPB, the song is like this, 'Thirutheeril varum silaiy' some one pls tell me the name of the film, I must watch this for the songs, plssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss tell me the name of this Film

Raghu,
I think (Thirumaran,pls correct if I am wrong) it is from the movie 'Naan Vazha vaippen' in which Super Star rajini also acted in guest role..Rajini also has a song "Aggayam mele paathalam keele' in that movie

Thirumaran
9th February 2006, 07:13 PM
Joe,
I too think the same. Not confident though.

joe
9th February 2006, 07:16 PM
Raghu,Thirumaran

we are right.
here you can listen that song
http://www.dishant.com/album/naan_vazhavaipean.html

Thirumaran
9th February 2006, 07:24 PM
Some of my favourite Shivaji movie which came after 1980 is

Thavani Kanavugal

The introduction Bhagyaraj gave for Nadigar Thilgam was quite differnt.

He did not put his name in the titles in the beginning.

Instead when Shivaji Character is introduced a title comes saying,

"Oru Imayathudan Inaivathil Perumai Paduginroam"

What a way to give respect to Nadigar Thilagam.

Shivaji played as a retired Military man who is an atheist..

That was quite a nice movie. Nice Played role.

:)

joe
9th February 2006, 07:28 PM
Thirumaran,
Parthiban came in one scene in 'Thaavani kanavugal' that too with nadigar thilagam ..Lucky guy who got his first scene itself with the IMAYAM

Thirumaran
9th February 2006, 07:33 PM
Thirumaran,
Parthiban came in one scene in 'Thaavani kanavugal' that too with nadigar thilagam ..Lucky guy who got his first scene itself with the IMAYAM

Yeah. Very Lucky man. I think Paandiyarajan also worked as an asst in that movie. Though he was not in the movie, he can cherish the moments he worked with IMAYAM.

:)

Raghu
9th February 2006, 08:08 PM
Raghu,Thirumaran

we are right.
here you can listen that song
http://www.dishant.com/album/naan_vazhavaipean.html

Joe anne and Thirumaran anne,


Yes, I remember the film now, it had K.R.Vijaya as heroine, and there was another song again by Dr.SPB it is 'Ennodu paadunghal nalvazthu paadalghal mangai enthan nenjukul...', and not to mention Raaja Marthanda Raja Thilaka Vetai Raja Parak Super Star Rajni in this film, he also gets a song, but this song was song by Dr.KJY

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap:

joe
10th February 2006, 08:03 PM
My friend,who is a die-hard rajini fan who attended 'Chandramuki' 200 days function told me that ,when some clippings from old sivaji movies screened ,the whistle and applause is nothing less than that of during Rajini's speach.

Raghu
10th February 2006, 08:16 PM
Joe anNe,

Adhu, GREATEST actor that INDIA HAD EVER PRODUCED DR. SHIVAJI SIR -ku oru LAKAKALAKLAKLAKLAKLAK

by the way, unga avatar sooper

Thirumaran
10th February 2006, 08:21 PM
My friend,who is a die-hard rajini fan who attended 'Chandramuki' 200 days function told me that ,when some clippings from old sivaji movies screened ,the whistle and applause is nothing less than that of during Rajini's speach.

:D

m_23_bayarea
11th February 2006, 11:25 PM
[tscii:455e06cc0a]Statue of Sivaji Ė Pondi leads the way
- 11.02.2006
Cinesouth.com

In Tamilnadu, someone or other has been promising to build a memorial or statue for Sivaji. But so far, nothing has materialized.

Now, without boasting and beating the trumpet, Pondicherry has put up a life size bronze statue of Sivaji on the Pondicherry ECR road.

The statue is to be inaugurated this evening. The Pondicherry Chief Minister Rangasamy and his cabinet colleagues will participate in the function.

Some Chennai folks like Sarath Kumar, Radhika, Sathyaraj, Sibiraj, Anandraj, T P Gajendran, Thyagu, Madanbob, M S Bhaskar, Manobala, P Vasu, Producers Association president T G Thyagarajan, Abirami Ramanathan, Sivajiís sons Prabhu and Ramkumar, grandson Dushyanth and others also are bound towards Pondicherry for the function.

Letís see if the promised memorial for Sivaji takes shape in Tamilnadu, at least after this!
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joe
12th February 2006, 01:45 PM
Sivaji Ganesan statue unveiled

Stone laid for Rs. 16 crore manimandapam in memory of K. Kamaraj
PONDICHERRY: The first ever statue of Tamil movie legend, late actor
Chevalier Sivaji Ganesan, was unveiled on Saturday in Pondicherry by
Chief Minister N. Rangasamy. The life-size bronze statue, made by
sculptor Mani Nagappa and installed at a cost of Rs. 6 lakh, is the
first of its kind in the world.
Mr. Rangasamy, who also laid the foundation stone for the Rs. 16
crore manimandapam in memory of the late K. Kamaraj, announced that
the film city coming up in Pondicherry would be named after the
actor.
"We had planned both the functions at the same time because Sivaji
Ganesan had immense respect for Kamaraj and the great leader also
reciprocated it."
On the anguish expressed by actors at the function that a statue of
the thespian had not yet been installed in Tamil Nadu, and that
Pondicherry had taken the lead in honouring the actor, he said that
Sivaji Ganesan belonged not only to Tamil Nadu, but to the entire
Tamil-speaking world.
The actor's sons, G. Ramkumar and actor G. Prabhu, thanked the people
and the Government of Pondicherry for their wonderful gesture. The
secretary of the Nadigar Sangam, actor and M.P. Sarathkumar said work
on the construction of the manimandapam commemorating Sivaji Ganesan
in Chennai would be speeded up and would be ready within a year. A
galaxy of stars, including Sathyaraj, Sibiraj, Radhika
Sarathkumar, "Nizhalgal" Ravi, Kavithalaya Krishnan, Madanbob,
Thyagu, M.S. Bhaskar and directors Santhanabharathi and Gajendran,
were present on the occasion.
PCC president P. Shanmugam, Pondicherry Assembly Speaker M.D.R.
Ramachandran, M.P. Ramadass, Minister Elumalai, MLAs Kamalakannan and
Mary Theresa and Congress leader Kumari Anandan spoke on the
occasion.
MLA Shahjahan urged the Pondicherry Government to start a college and
a film city bearing Sivaji Ganesan's name. Mr. Ramadass suggested
that a chair be installed in the Pondicherry University in the name
of Kamaraj. Huge cut outs, with images of actor Sivaji Ganesan and
Kamaraj, lined the Lawspet area where the function was held. A huge
crowd had also gathered to see the stars.

Shakthiprabha.
12th February 2006, 03:59 PM
:clap:

m_23_bayarea
13th February 2006, 11:01 PM
Remembering Sivaji
[Monday, February 13, 2006]

Honoring the contributions of thespian Sivaji Ganesan to Tamil filmdom, a life-size statue of the actor was unveiled in Pondicherry by Pondicherry Chief Minister N Rangasamy at a simple function held in the Union Territory on Saturday.

The statue has come up at a cost of Rs six lakh.

He also announced that a film city named after Sivaji Ganesan would be established soon.

Actors Prabhu, Sarathkumar, Sathiyaraj, Nizhalgal Ravi, Thiagu, Sibiraj and Radhika were also present on the occasion.

Shakthiprabha.
13th February 2006, 11:07 PM
bayarea,

The same news was given by joe 2 posts back, with different wordings though :D

I even clapped my hands :D

anyway good news :P :D thanks for sharing.

m_23_bayarea
13th February 2006, 11:08 PM
bayarea,

The same news was given by joe 2 posts back, with different wordings though :D

I even clapped my hands :D

anyway good news :P :D thanks for sharing.

SP !!! Same News ... Diff sources .... You're welcome !! :D

joe
15th February 2006, 09:09 AM
Bay,
Great avatar from 'Koondu Kili' ,only movie both Thilagam's acted together.

Shakthiprabha.
15th February 2006, 04:29 PM
1000 padangaL vanthaalum
orE oru shivaji padathukku eedu aaguma?

shivaji fan, (crazy fanatic)
shakthiprabha.

stranger
15th February 2006, 07:07 PM
nenju porukkudhillaiyE :(
nenju porukkudhillaiyE :(
intha nilaiketta manidharai ninainthuvitaal! :(

Shakthiprabha.
15th February 2006, 07:57 PM
ennachu stranger? :roll:

stranger
16th February 2006, 12:29 AM
I saw paraashakthi lately. That song is from that movie! :D

m_23_bayarea
16th February 2006, 12:56 AM
Bay,
Great avatar from 'Koondu Kili' ,only movie both Thilagam's acted together.

Thanks Joe !!! :D

joe
17th February 2006, 02:12 PM
nenju porukkudhillaiyE :(
nenju porukkudhillaiyE :(
intha nilaiketta manidharai ninainthuvitaal! :(

These lines added in few more songs,not only Parasakthi .since it is written by Bharathiyar.

Shakthiprabha.
17th February 2006, 02:58 PM
hmm. nice bharathiyar song. :)

I also liked many songs in parashakthi.

"kaa kaa kaa"
"thandavakonE" :awesome meaning:
"O rasikkum seemanE"

joe
17th February 2006, 03:00 PM
hmm. nice bharathiyar song. :)

I also liked many songs in parashakthi.

"kaa kaa kaa"
"thandavakonE" :awesome meaning:
"O rasikkum seemanE"

sakthi,
"kaa kaa kaa" written by Kalainjar Karunanithi himself?

Shakthiprabha.
17th February 2006, 03:14 PM
TherilaiyE....

I am told yes.

Even thaandavakonE? not sure.

do u know the lyrics of 'RASIKKUM SEEMANE'?

If yes plz post in random lyrics section OR here.

joe
18th February 2006, 06:47 AM
TherilaiyE....

I am told yes.

Even thaandavakonE? not sure.

do u know the lyrics of 'RASIKKUM SEEMANE'?

If yes plz post in random lyrics section OR here.

sakthi,
I should have avioded the question mark ..'kaa kaa kaa' and 'poomalai neeye puzhuthi man mele' both songs written by kalainjar.

rasikkum seemane,I know only few lines.

O! Rasikkum seemane vaa
Jolikkum udai aninthu
Kalikkum Nadanam purivome
athai ninaikkum pozhuthu manam
Inikkum suvai muzhuthum
aLikkum kalaigal Arivom

ஒ! ரசிக்கும் சீமானே! வா!
ஜொலிக்கும் உடையணிந்து
களிக்கும் நடனம் புரிவோமே!

அதை நினைக்கும் பொழுது மனம்
இனிக்கும் சுவை முழுதும்
அளிக்கும் கலைகள் அறிவோம்.

Shakthiprabha.
18th February 2006, 08:07 AM
thx joe.

thx a tonne

This song has excellent music. Breathtakingly awesome oldtimer.

stranger
20th February 2006, 10:14 PM
These lines added in few more songs,not only Parasakthi .since it is written by Bharathiyar.

Is that so? :roll:

Never heard of any Bharathi before! :cool:

Shakthiprabha.
20th February 2006, 10:21 PM
:P @ stranger. :)

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 09:00 AM
My Fav Sivaji movies


Theivamagan
Bale Pandiya..

Actually many, but at the moment i can only remember this too...

joe
21st February 2006, 09:05 AM
Thanks Thirupathi for reenabling Nadigar Thilagam thread

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 09:06 AM
No problem, joe...
I reckon you as most decent hubber..
i try to find reviews of both this movies soon...

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 09:17 AM
Villupuram Chinniah Pillai Ganesan was born on October 1, 1927. His parents worshipped Lord Ganesha and named him after the god they worshipped. His father Chinniah Pillai worked for the railways actively took part in the freedom struggle. Since his father was actively into the struggle against the British Sivajis mother Rajamani Ammal brought him up.


Its not new that like most of the actors in that genre he dropped out of school to pursue his interest: theatre. He ran away from home and joined Boys Company, the then famous theater group and started playing female roles. It was his mesmerizing voice and the range that it had made him prominent in the group and he started making his mark felt.


Many wonder how Villupuram Chinniah Pillai Ganesan came to be know as "Sivaji" Ganesan. Well, its not his films that gave him his name nut the second to none performance as Chatrapati Sivaji in the stage play 'Sivaji Kanda Hindu Samrajyam'. The play got so many laurels and his acting was
well appreciated. But it was "Periyar' Ramaswamy Naickar who conferred the title of Sivaji.


The story of Sivaji Ganesan was a saga of success. In his twenties Sivaji got an offer to play a lead role in Parasakthi (1952) by P.A. Perumal Mudaliar of National Pictures. The film turned out to be a box office hit. He acted in at least 300 more movies after Parasakthi. Most of these movies were as lead hero and he made special appearances too in Tamil and other films. Apart from Tamil films he also acted in films of other south Indian languages, Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam. He also acted in a few Hindi movies.


Sivaji was never the one to worry about his image and possibility of screen roles spoiling his image. He would smoke, drink and womanise if the role required. He has done roles ranging from lawyer, a murderer, james bond like charecters, villain, etc with utmost elan. From 'Parasakthi' in (1952)
to 'Thevar Magan' in (1992), Sivaji Ganesan played every conceivable character on screen - son, father, brother, hero, anti-hero, action and comedy. Endowed with a good physique, an expressive face capable of potraying any human emotion Sivaji was renowned for his emotional characters, having the uncanny ability to make audiences weep over his portrayal of tragic characters.


He has his contributions in Telugu cinema as well. He acted in 9 straight Telugu movies and did special appearance in 6 Telugu movies. Some of the films in which he acted are Vishwanatah Nayakudu (1987), Agni Puthrudu (1987), Bezawada Bebbuli (1983), Nivuru Gappina Nippu (1982), Paradesi (1953), Pempudu Koduku (1953), Manohara (1954) and Parasakthi (1957).

Some of the special appearances worth a mention are Bhaktha Tukaram (1973), Bangaru Babu (1973), Ramadasu (1964), Pillalu Thechina Challani Rajyam (1960), Chanakya Chandra Gupta (1977) and Jeevana Teeralu (1977). Countless of his movies are dubbed into Telugu and his performances in movies like Aatma Bandhuvu, Kshatriya Putrudu, Bhakta Tukaram won laurels from Telugu audience. Many of Telugu hits were remade in Tamil with Sivaji giving life to the roles. Prem Nagar was remade in Tamil under Suresh Productions by Rama Naidu with Sivaji doing the role of ANR to perfection

Retired and plagued by ill-health through the last few years, Sivaji took each day as it came. To quote him... "I don't worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow's problems are for another day." It was just another day on July 21 2001 and he left - the world.


Sivaji will remain etched forever in people's mind for his portrayal of a wide range of characters, social, political, historical, mythological with equal finesse & felicity of expression, and expressive dialogue
delivery.Living and breathing those characters, Sivaji would continuing to inspire generations to follow.

joe
21st February 2006, 09:28 AM
Remembering Sivaji
[Monday, February 13, 2006]
Honoring the contributions of thespian Sivaji Ganesan to Tamil filmdom, a life-size statue of the actor was unveiled in Pondicherry by Pondicherry Chief Minister N Rangasamy at a simple function held in the Union Territory on Saturday.

The statue has come up at a cost of Rs six lakh.

He also announced that a film city named after Sivaji Ganesan would be established soon.

Actors Prabhu, Sarathkumar, Sathiyaraj, Nizhalgal Ravi, Thiagu, Sibiraj and Radhika were also present on the occasion.

Photo Gallery:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/9119.html

joe
21st February 2006, 09:29 AM
Thanks Thirupathi for the article and kind words.

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 09:34 AM
1) Original Name : V.C.GANESAN (Villupuram C.Ganesan)
2) Popular Name : SIVAJI GANESAN -- the title "Sivaji" was given to Ganesan by the great Rationlist,Thanthai Periyar E.V.R.Ramasamy for his best performance in the role of Sathrapathy Sivaji in the stage play "Sivaji kanda Indu Saamraajyam" in the year 1946.

3) How Became An Actor: When he was 9 years old he ran away from his house. Nobody knew his whereabouts. After many days his mother and elder brother happened to trace him at a place near Trichirapalli where "Kampalaththaan Kooththu" a popular folk drama was taking place. Kattabomman's story was being enacted on stage in that Kooththu. Ganesan was very much interested in that particular drama. Even at that small age he had vowed that one day he would become an actor and do Kattabomman's role on stage.
Ganesan's mother brought him back to their house. She arranged through her elder son to get a placement for Ganesan in one of the popular drama troupes. Thus Ganesan first became a stage actor.

4) First film : His first film is "Paraasakthi". It was released in the year 1952.

5) Great Turning Point: "Parasakthi" was a great turning point not only in Sivaji Ganesan's acting Career but also for the entire Tamil Cinema Field. Before that there were mainly either Raja Rani Stories or religious and mythological stories with a number of songs which had great sway among Tamil Cinema audience. But "Paraasakthi" was a social film with revolutionery themes and lesser number of songs. More over the heart - catching, fiery dialogue by Kalaingar Karunanidhi made the film a super revolutionery one in terms of it's trend- setting nature and it's overall reformative impact on society.

6) Milestones : The Greatest Merit of Sivaji Ganesan is that no other actor either in Tamil Cinema or Indian Film Industry or in the whole
World has done such a great number of roles and acted in such a great varieties of roles depicting real life- like characters on screen and no other actor's acting carreer is so much saturated with such a great number of milestones in terms of unimaginable achievements as in that of sivaji Ganesan.

7)Meritorious Awards:
1) The Best Actor Award won in Afro- Asian Film Festival held in Gairo, Egypt in 1960.
2) Padmasri Title - 1966.
5) Padmabhushan Title - 1984
4) Chevalier Award of France 1995.
5) Dadha Saahib Paalkhe Award 1997.

8)Meritorious Qualities :
1) Modesty.
2) Punctuality.
3) Make-up Aptness and Physical Fitness that suit with 100% exactness any sort of role from Prince to Beggar and the Rugged Character to the Cultured Elite!
4) Infinite Veriety In Acting And Dialogue -Delivery - An Unreachable Feat by any other World Level Actor.


9)Unique Achievment: The No 1 ranked Actor the World has ever seen.

10) Ambition: Wants to act until the last breath of life and he would be even more happy, he once said, should his physical existence comes to an end while acting.

11) Total Number Of Films: Around 300

12) Mother Tongue: Tamil

13) Native Place: Villupuram, a small town in South Arcot district, in Tamilnadu, India.

14) Academic Education: III std, at the preliminary level of school education.

15) Father's Name: P.Chinniah Mandraayer. Though poor was very rich in his sprit of patriotism! Was imprisoned many number of times for his continued support and participation in the then Indian Freedom Stuggle under the leadership of Mahatma Gandhi. Jail become his second home.

16) Mother's Name: Rajamani Ammal. While her husband was in prison she had to undergo all sorts of hardships to feed her children and maintain the family.Lack of food made them at times to forgo food.

17) Marriage: Married Kamala, already a relative of him, who was a resident of Nagappattinam near Trichirappalli, Tamilnadu. This couple begot two male children later named Ramkumar and Prabhu, and two female ones Shanthi and Thenmozhi. Today all the four are married. Ramkumar looks after and manages Sivaji Films. Prabhu has become one of the busiest, leading heroes of Tamil Cinema.

18) Political Affiliations: From his first film onwards he was considered to be a staunch D.M.K. party sympathiser. After 1955 some dramatic changes took place. He was a neutralist for some years.
But at the end of 1961 he become a strong supporter of Congress Party. In that year he took part and delivered an address in the state Congress party Conference in which the then Prime Minister Pandid Jawaharlal Nehru and Kamarajar were the main participants. In 1982 Mrs.Indira Gandhi made him the Rajya sabha M.P. After 1687 came out of Congress and floated his own Political Party. 2 years latter became President of Tamilnadu faction of Janata Dal. After a few years he quit politics.

19) Honours Bestowed Upon Sivaji Ganesan: In 1962 Sivaji Ganesan toured America as its Special Guest. There, he was given one of the highest houours of being the Mayor of Niagara City for one day. After Prime Minister Nehru, Sivaji was the only Indian to get this honour.
In Hollywood he met world famous actors like Marlon Brando and some leading Cinema technicians.
Egyptian President Naasar, Singapore former Prime Minister, Ceylon President Chandrika, Indian former Prime Ministers Nehru, Indra Gandhi, V.P. Singh, former President Dr. Radhakirishnan, former Governer -General Rajaji, former Chief Ministers Kamarajar and Annadurai, Present Chief Minister Kalaignar Karunanidhi, Ex-Chief Ministers M.G.R., RamaRao and Jayalalitha were not only his associates but his very great admirers too!

tacinema
21st February 2006, 10:18 AM
With his glorious 50 years of service for Tamil Cinema, our greatest thespian Sivaji Ganesan has donned many roles on screen. Almost all are wonderful roles and these movies should be treated as classics and serve as "Acting book" to other actors. Here, I will try to analyze some of the roles that Sivaji did and why they are considered as classics:

Role: Doctor
Movies: Paalum Pazhamum, Engal Thanga Raaja, Keel Vanam Sivakkum, etc.

I consider Paalum Pazhamum as classics and it was one of the best "paa" series movies, directed by Bhim Singh. This movie is unique in the sense that Sivaji jelled himself very well as a fine doctor, a lovable brother and a wonderful husband. For Sivaji fans, it was a wonderful treat to watch this movie and in addition, Kavignar Kannadasan's songs made it very memorable. There are many memorarble scenes in the movie and some of them that I remember:

1. in one scene, as a doctor, Sivaji goes for rounds in the hospital and ask patients' about their wellness. He talks to patients and at the same time looks for medical reports and suggests different medicines and treatments, if necessary. A simple and amazing act. Sivaji must have studied the behavior of doctors because I have seen many doctors when they go for rounds, their attitude just resembles Sivaji's action in the movie. You do not see the actor Sivaji in PP, but see a doctor.
2. in another scene, Sarojadevi is helping Sivaji in the lab. Sivaji realizes that she is quite knowledgable and Saro acknowledges that she couldn't complete the final year in medical school due to financial difficulties. Immediately, Sivaji thinks how wonderful it would be to marry her and continue the research. It is a treat to watch his facial expression.
3. A beautiful song "naan pesa ninaipathellam, nee pesa vendum" after their marriage. Sivaji, a wonderful husband and Saro, a beautiful and lovable wife. The song just conveys what is necessary for a happy marriage
4. Another song scene after he receives the news that Saro is dead in a train accident. An immortal song "ponaal pogattum poda". A beautiful song with a flawless action. It is a treat to watch how beautifully Sivaji walks during the song. Even his walking acts!!

There are many more memorable scenes in the movie. I do not remember any other actor conveyed the expression as a doctor so beautifully. In a true sense, till today, no other actor has beaten his performance in this role. Sivaji, along with Bhim Singh and other actors, made PP a run away hit and wonderful to watch. Personally, If I had seen this movie before entering engg college, I would have become a doctor now.

Engal thanga raaja: It is a OK movie, with a bit of commercial stuff. That spoiled the movie
Keel Vaanam sivakkum: Good movie. Sivaji is an ophthalmologist and did a good job with Sarita and Jai Shankar

Any other movies Sivaji acted as Doctor? Any other actor, who can rival Sivaji in this role?

Joe, if you remember about Gauravam (your avatar), write about it. Gauravam is one of my favorites movies. I will try to add Sivaji's other roles later.

joe
21st February 2006, 10:26 AM
tacinema,
In 'Navaraththiri' ,one of the 9 roles is Doctor.Nadigar thilagam acted as a old aged Doctor with up side down young lover character in the same movie.

Sure,I will write about Gowrawam detailly.

joe
21st February 2006, 10:28 AM
Tacinema,
Forget to mention..Wonderful post on 'Paalum Pazhamum'

joe
21st February 2006, 11:33 AM
Gowrawam - Nadigar Thilagam with his immitable Style. :thumbsup:

In this movie nadigar Thilagam's character name is 'Rajini Kanth' .I think ,this movie came before Sivaji rao became Rajini Kanth ..Balachander might choosed this name 'Rajini Kanth' matching sivaji rao's style with Nadigar Thilagam's 'Parister Rajini kanth'.

In Super Star Rajinikanth's famous Doordarshan interview before the election ,the very first question to him is "What is your opnion about Nadigar Thilagam" ..He replied "Pothuva palar enna style king-nnu solluraanga ..Naan style king-nna Nadigar Thilagam is Style Charakaravarthy" ..Those who wanted to check what Rajini means ,need to watch this movie 'Gowrawam' ,Nadigar Thilagam with incomparable Style.

(will continue)

joe
21st February 2006, 02:07 PM
Nadigar Thilagam was stylish and majestic in the role 'Paristor Rajini Kanth'.

Few times in between dialogues he used to call his his wife Pandari Bhai "Aai Chella!!" with remarkable style.

When young shivaji decided to appear against rajinikanth ,he came to Rajinikanth's house to seek blessings from rajinikanth ..After Bhandaribhai welcomed him and angry with him for not coming to see her and asked him not to fight with Periyappa rajinikanth ..Young sivaji argued with tears "பெரியம்மா நீ தானே நீதி நியாயம்லாம் சொல்லிக்குடுத்த .மகாபாரதத்துல அர்ஜூனன் போருல எதுத்து நிக்குற துரோணரைப் பார்த்து ,கிருஷ்ணன் கிட்ட எப்படி தன் குருவை எதிர்த்து சண்டை போட முடியும்-னு சொல்ல ,கிருஷ்ணன் தர்மம்னு வரும்போது பந்த பாசத்துக்கு இடம் குடுக்க கூடாதுன்ணு சொன்னாருண்ணு நீ தானே எனக்கு சொல்லிக் கொடுத்த",then they both turn back and see Rajinikanth standing on the second floor gallery ,smoking with style and says "யாரது ? கண்ணனா? நல்லாருக்கேளா? சாப்பிட்டேளா" ,You must watch his mannersims and expressions ,the stylish dialogue delivery ,body language ,getup,majesty when he utter these few words and continue "கண்ணா! நடக்குறது பாரதமும் இல்ல .நானும் துரோரணரும் இல்ல ......"and a long dialogue..

whenever I watch this scene ,I enjoy bit by bit the style and body language of Nadigar thilagam.

(will continue)

Raghu
21st February 2006, 02:53 PM
Joe anNe,

'Paristor Rajini Kanth'.
, enna Shivaji sir film-a?

BTW, 'sindu nathiyin Misai nilavinile' ,...' from which film pls? I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH

joe
21st February 2006, 03:02 PM
Joe anNe,

'Paristor Rajini Kanth'.
, enna Shivaji sir film-a?

BTW, 'Sinthu nathiyin karai Nilavinele,...' from which film pls? I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH

Raghu Thampi,
Konjam Kanna muzhichu parunga ..I am talking about the movie Gowrawam(My avatar also from same movie) and the Character name of Nadigar Thilagam is 'Paristor Rajini Kanth'

Btw,"sindu nathiyin Misai nilavinile' song is from movie 'Kai Koduththa Deivam"

Raghu
21st February 2006, 03:05 PM
Joe anNe,

'Paristor Rajini Kanth'.
, enna Shivaji sir film-a?

BTW, 'sindu nathiyin Misai nilavinile' ,...' from which film pls? I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH

Raghu Thampi,
Konjam Kanna muzhichu parunga ..I am talking about the movie Gowrawam(My avatar also from same movie) and the Character name of Nadigar Thilagam is 'Paristor Rajini Kanth'

:oops: :oops: :oops:

joe
21st February 2006, 06:04 PM
I wish Mohan raman sir come to this thread and share his experience with our one and only nadigar Thilagam

mohanraman
21st February 2006, 06:45 PM
What is ironic is that.........V.C. expanded by all of us as Villipuram Chinnaiah Pillai.....is all wrong. Mr. B.N.Pillai who was the manager in Sivaji Films filled up the official forms with the information he knew....Sivaji was born in Villupuram as his father was posted by the railways there......it is not his "native" place. The V actually was for VETTAITHIDAL , his father's name was Chinnaiah MANDRAYAR.....,they are not Pillai's. But the Pillai is something people in that district added to all names as a form of respect...thus Vettaithidal Chinnaiah Mandrayar Ganesan became Villipuram Chinnaiah Ganesan.
However as Shakespeare said a Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.
Lovely thread...thanks Joe.

joe
21st February 2006, 06:57 PM
wow!thanks Mohan raman sir.

I knew about Mantradiyar ,but not VETTAITHIDAL .

when ever you have time ,pls visit this thread and share with us more details on How was the experience of watching nadigar thilagam movies on release days( which most of the hubbers never enjoyed) and how was fans reactions.

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 07:01 PM
Joe...
I watched Uyarntha Manithan few days back, excellent..
The way Nadigar Thilagam says the great (one guys name) was a classic..

Thirumaran
21st February 2006, 07:08 PM
MohanRaman Sir,

We are very happy to see a celebrity over here and posting nice information on Shivaji.

I am sure you will be quite busy with your shootings and other works.

Whenever you get time please share us some good information on Nadigar Thilagam and Makkal Thilagam. Also would like to view your opinions and experiences with other actors too.

Thanks.

:D

Thirumaran
21st February 2006, 07:11 PM
Joe...
I watched Uyarntha Manithan few days back, excellent..
The way Nadigar Thilagam says the great (one guys name) was a classic..

Also the song

Antha Naal Nyabagam. What a stylish performance by Nadigar Thilagam.

This song is one among the songs where we will never feel that they are acting for someone else's voice.
:)

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 07:14 PM
That was the best friendship song..
I also liked Old arrogant getup Nadigar Thilagam, sometimes i see this kind of movies, i wonder whether he is acting or just his own character like that..

mohanraman
21st February 2006, 07:30 PM
Thanks to all of you for the welcome.Yes, will try to post....l was not allowed to see the films on the first day...first show...MGR's office would have told my dad,who thought it was unsafe ... I managed a number in the first week.
NO MGR OR SIVAJI FAN WAS PAID A RUPEE TO CELEBRATE THE RELEASE WITH BANNERS/STARS ETC. Sadly I cannot say that today....for most heroes.I remember that they once took the film cans in a procession from the Station to the theatre on the day of the release on the back of an Elephant.This was done because of the terrific adulation people had for these two mega stars. Imagine....it is now more than 20 years and 4 years respectively since they attained immortality and we are still discussing them....That is enough proof of their greatness.

Tirupathi
21st February 2006, 07:33 PM
True..

Thirumaran
21st February 2006, 07:34 PM
Thanks to all of you for the welcome.Yes, will try to post....l was not allowed to see the films on the first day...first show...MGR's office would have told my dad,who thought it was unsafe ... I managed a number in the first week.
NO MGR OR SIVAJI FAN WAS PAID A RUPEE TO CELEBRATE THE RELEASE WITH BANNERS/STARS ETC. Sadly I cannot say that today....for most heroes.I remember that they once took the film cans in a procession from the Station to the theatre on the day of the release on the back of an Elephant.This was done because of the terrific adulation people had for these two mega stars. Imagine....it is now more than 20 years and 4 years respectively since they attained immortality and we are still discussing them....That is enough proof of their greatness.



Rightly said sir.

:)

Thirumaran
22nd February 2006, 12:24 AM
Movie : Kai Kodutha Theyvam.

Lyrics : Subramanya Bharathiyaar.

Sindhu nadhiyin misai nilavinilae
chaera nannaatilam pengal udanae
sundhara thelunginil paattisaithu
thoanigal oatti vilaiyaadi varuvoam


gangai nadhippurathu goadhumai pandam
kaaviri vetrilaikku maarukolluvoam
singa maraattiyartham kavidhaikondu
saerathu thandhangal parisalippoam


singala theevinukkoar paalamamaippoam
saedhuvai maeduduththi veedhi samaippoam
vangaththil oadi varum neerin migaiyaal
vaiyaththu naadugalil payir seyyuvoam


This song of Mahakavi was given life through Shivaji's acting.
What a command in the way Shivaji expresses the lyrics.

:clap:

stranger
22nd February 2006, 01:18 AM
it is not his "native" place. The V actually was for VETTAITHIDAL , his father's name was Chinnaiah MANDRAYAR.....,they are not Pillai's. .

piLLai, ambalam etc have been commonly used as a "surname" for mukkulaththOrs. I am told Shivaji Ganeshan belongs to kaLLar/Thever community and so he got that "surname" as piLLai! :)

Shakthiprabha.
22nd February 2006, 01:40 PM
Good post by mr.mohanram. :thumbsup:

joe
23rd February 2006, 07:56 AM
Thirumaran,
thanks for the wonderful Lyrics..See my avatar from the same song.

Thirumaran
23rd February 2006, 08:20 AM
Thirumaran,
thanks for the wonderful Lyrics..See my avatar from the same song.

Nice Avatar Joe.

As usual it rocks.

:D

P_R
23rd February 2006, 11:46 AM
One grand anti-hero performance which I enjoyed is "Annayin Aanai".
The famous scene where his wife scratches him and rips his banian is extremely tense. He makes you bite your nails about his next move....all with a bare minimum of words. Marvellous performance.

mohanraman
23rd February 2006, 07:59 PM
I was going through a thread on multiple roles and found that many talk of Sivaji's abilities without bothering to see his movies - he has spoken several dialects....especially within tamilnadu like kovai, madurai etc.Not just that but he has also done a rich man's stylish tamil as well as a pattikaadu tamil, all in the same movie. Those who mentioned Sivaji's lack of dancing ability have probably not seen "thhokku thookki" or even the theru koothu in Navarathri or the sivathandavam in Thiruvilayadal. What Sivaji learnt by observation stood him in good stead for 275 plus films - as the lead male performer.Let us talk of the other aspirants for the title "best actor" after they have crossed say 200 plus films.We cannot and should not belittle the achievements of those who were trendsetters like Bhagavathar,PUchinnappa,Ranjan,m k radha etc. Sivaji started his stage career as a "sthreepart" player his performance as Noorjehan is still rated by those who saw him then as one of the best.He played full length lady roles...not a man dressed as a woman.If you want to see him as a woman watch the film Gowri .I am giving vent to my feelings in this thread as I do not want to wound fans of other actors...by drawing comparisons.....who is greater Gavaskar or Tendulkar or Richards or Sobers or Bradman.....come on. Movies are meant to be enjoyed and a good and convincing performance by any actor is to be appreciated.Let us rise above petty comparisons......Having said all this Sivaji of course is GREAT.

great
23rd February 2006, 08:23 PM
Mohanram sir well said :clap: :clap: though i like Kamal , i dont want shivaji to be degraded .

Shakthiprabha.
23rd February 2006, 08:44 PM
:clap:

My respects to the legend .

great
23rd February 2006, 08:45 PM
:clap:

My respects to the legend .

thanks you dont need to clap for my post ...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Shakthiprabha.
23rd February 2006, 08:51 PM
:roll: :|

P_R
24th February 2006, 12:27 AM
Movies are meant to be enjoyed and a good and convincing performance by any actor is to be appreciated.Let us rise above petty comparisons......Having said all this Sivaji of course is GREAT.

I agree, but with some reservation. Movies and performances are to be enjoyed as wholesome and independent units. But that does not make a case for dismissing comparisons altogether.

Comparing the performances of people in similar situations helps appreciate things better.Even intergenerational comparsions would still be possible if we go about it reasonably. I cannot help think of Vasantha Maaligai when i watch Vaazhvey Maayam. When I watched 'Pagal Nilavu' this weekend I was parallely thinking of Nayagan.

That said I do concede that most comparisons we do, atleast in the Hub, end up being petty :-)

kannannn
24th February 2006, 12:47 AM
One grand anti-hero performance which I enjoyed is "Annayin Aanai".
The famous scene where his wife scratches him and rips his banian is extremely tense. He makes you bite your nails about his next move....all with a bare minimum of words. Marvellous performance.
PR, you can add 'Andha Naal' too to the list. Of course not exactly an anti-hero, but void of any heroic qualities nonetheless. Watch out for his expressions when Pandaribai aims the pistol at him towards the end. His expression changes from fear to disbelief to pleading as he tries to make her see that he is afterall her husband. And he is evil personified in 'Uththama Puththiran' ('idhayum thaduththal thaai endrum paarka matten', when his mother pleads not to have his brother masked).

P_R
24th February 2006, 10:09 AM
PR, you can add 'Andha Naal' too to the list. Of course not exactly an anti-hero, but void of any heroic qualities nonetheless. Watch out for his expressions when Pandaribai aims the pistol at him towards the end. His expression changes from fear to disbelief to pleading as he tries to make her see that he is afterall her husband. Andha Naal is one of my all-time favourite films. All the murder-reconstructions have Sivaji enacting the role of Rajan as perceived by the person who is narrating it.

joe
24th February 2006, 05:22 PM
Mohanraman sir,
Thanks for wonderful post!
:D

joe
24th February 2006, 05:38 PM
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joe
24th February 2006, 11:01 PM
V.O.Chidambaram's own son ,while watching the movie 'Kappalottiya Thamizhan' in a theatre ,forgot he was watching a movie and cried"Appa!Appa!" .Later he confesed he didn't see sivaji,but his father on screen..hmmm..there is no award in this world equal to this...

Thirumaran
24th February 2006, 11:06 PM
V.O.Chidambaram's own son ,while watching the movie 'Kappalottiya Thamizhan' in a theatre ,forgot he was watching a movie and cried"Appa!Appa!" .Later he confesed he didn't see sivaji,but his father on screen..hmmm..there is no award in this world equal to this...

Yeah.

:D

joe
25th February 2006, 12:08 AM
உனக்கு தேசிய விருது கிடைக்கவில்லையாம்!

குடகு மலையைக் கடந்தாயா என
இமய மலையைக் கடந்தவனிடம் கேள்வி!

பிரான்சுக்கும் எகிப்துக்கும் தெரிந்த உண்மை -இங்குள்ள
பீஷ்மர்களுக்கு மட்டும் தெரியாதாம்!

சிதம்பரனார் செல்ல மகன்
சினிமா என்பதையும் மறந்து
"ஐயோ அப்பா!" என்றரற்றினாராமே! -இந்த
சிறப்புக்கு முன் ஆஸ்கார் எந்த மூலைக்கு?

விண்ணுலகில் கூட...

சிவனும் ,சிதம்பரனாரும்
கட்டபொம்மனும் ,கர்ணனும்
அப்பரும் ,அம்பிகாபதியும்,
ஜார்ஜ்-ம் ,சாக்ரட்டீசும்

கண்ணாடி பார்ப்பதற்கு பதில்
உன் முன்னாடி தான் நிற்கிறார்களாமே?

-ஜோ

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 12:10 AM
உனக்கு தேசிய விருது கிடைக்கவில்லையாம்!

குடகு மலையைக் கடந்தாயா என
இமய மலையைக் கடந்தவனிடம் கேள்வி!

பிரான்சுக்கும் எகிப்துக்கும் தெரிந்த உண்மை -இங்குள்ள
பீஷ்மர்களுக்கு மட்டும் தெரியாதாம்!

சிதம்பரனார் செல்ல மகன்
சினிமா என்பதையும் மறந்து
"ஐயோ அப்பா!" என்றரற்றினாராமே! -இந்த
சிறப்புக்கு முன் ஆஸ்கார் எந்த மூலைக்கு?

விண்ணுலகில் கூட...

சிவனும் ,சிதம்பரனாரும்
கட்டபொம்மனும் ,கர்ணனும்
அப்பரும் ,அம்பிகாபதியும்,
ஜார்ஜ்-ம் ,சாக்ரட்டீசும்

கண்ணாடி பார்ப்பதற்கு பதில்
உன் முன்னாடி தான் நிற்கிறார்களாமே?

-ஜோ

Joe,

Arputham.

Is this written by you?

:)

joe
25th February 2006, 12:13 AM
Is this written by you?

:)

Yes,Ofcourse!

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 12:15 AM
Superb...

:thumbsup:

joe
25th February 2006, 12:23 AM
Thirumaran,
I sent a PM to you..Pls check!

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 12:43 AM
Joe,
I have cheked my PM.
Sent u a message too.

:D

Kollywoodfan
25th February 2006, 12:48 AM
:D

joe
25th February 2006, 12:53 AM
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13273571&vsv=37

joe
25th February 2006, 12:57 AM
He played 300 different roles
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2002/11/04/stories/2002110400180300.htm

joe
25th February 2006, 01:00 AM
Sivaji Ganesan... a complete artiste in every sense.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2002/07/19/stories/2002071900990600.htm

joe
25th February 2006, 01:02 AM
Talent, charisma and much more




In the history of cinema, no other actor has played such an incredible variety of roles. But initially all was not hunky-dory for Sivaji Ganesan, says RANDOR GUY, in aninteresting recollection.

SIVAJI GANESAN (ORIGINAL name, Villupuram Chinnaiya Ganeshamurthy), the mighty oak of Tamil movies, has returned to his roots in Mother Earth. The great screen presence, that inimitable voice capable of reflecting and registering even the minutest change of hue and colour in the spectrum of human emotions, the indefinable factor, charisma and more, that elevated a mere V. C. Ganesan to Sivaji Ganesan, can now only be seen and heard in the rich legacy of the 300 plus movies he has left behind.

He had played an incredible variety of roles in his long career - thief, king, cult figures, historical characters, rebel, playboy, labour leader, mythological figures, religious personalities, selfish man, unselfish head of the family... you name it and he has played that role to perfection!

Indeed in the history of cinema no other actor has played such wide and winsome range of roles. And he was never typecast for a particular role like most stars of today. Excepting perhaps for the stunts-oriented action roles, he felt at home in every role!

Even though he woke up one fine morning, like Lord Byron, and found himself famous with ``Parasakthi'' (1952), he had his first dip in the waters of cinema earlier in ``Nirabaradhi''(1951). Made in Telugu and Tamil by the sadly forgotten pioneer, the Grand Old Man of South Indian cinema, H. M. Reddi, it had Mukkammala Krishnamurthy as the hero, in both versions. As he could not speak Tamil, Reddi looked round for suitable voice to dub the dialogue for the hero, and he found a young struggling stage actor named V. C. Ganesan! The voice-lender received a princely sum of five hundred rupees!

Even in ``Parasakthi'' some had doubts if he were the right choice. Indeed shooting was stopped for some time and better actors were considered to replace the new man. But the main man of the project, P. A. Perumal (known as PAP among his pals), stood firmly like a mighty rock refusing to replace his first choice. The rest, as the cliche goes, is history. No wonder Sivaji Ganesan revered P. A. Perumal as his God on earth.

When ``Parasakthi'' was undergoing its birth pangs, another film, ``Poonkothai'' faced similar problems. Indeed in this film Sivaji Ganesan played the supporting role (known as second hero in the local filmland lingo) with the Telugu film star, A. Nageswara Rao as hero. Interestingly in the initial ads promoting the film his name appeared as V. C. Ganesan and not as Sivaji Ganesan!


Stardom did not come to him on a silver platter even after ``Parasakthi'' as many are inclined to think today. In the early 1950s he had to struggle, for some of his films did not fare well at the box-office. ``Andha Naal''(1954) the first song-dance less Tamil film, in which he played the then not so popular anti-hero, won him high praise but the film did not do well money-wise. Very few are aware that Sivaji Ganesan was the third actor to play the role. The film was begun with S. V. Sahasranamam cast in the lead role and as he was thought to be rather old he was replaced by that fine actor, Calcutta N. Viswanathan who was then knocking on the doors of Tamil cinema with no success. (Later he did act in Tamil films and played many character roles brilliantly.) For some reason he too was removed, and entered Sivaji Ganesan with bells on.

Who inspired Sivaji Ganesan as his role model in his career? While he created his roles with his own genius and observation of real life persons, he did draw inspiration from that actor's actor and the brilliant Hollywood superstar, Spencer Tracy. Observant visitors to his Shanthi theatre on Anna Salai, in Chennai, would have noticed above the entrance to the balcony class a photo showing him and Spencer Tracy. It was taken in Hollywood, when he visited it in the early 1960s. (During a chat some years ago, he told this writer about his adoration for Spencer Tracy. ``I took ideas from his style of walking to form my own style!'' he said.)

Did Sivaji Ganesan overact as remarked by many? The answer is yes and no! His background was Tamil theatre. In theatre one has to be loud - gestures, voice, emotions, and all. Consequently he could not escape such legacy. The other telling reason is the Tamil cinema of that day - its producers, directors and writers. They took advantage of his incredible memory, talent and skill to speak reams of jaw-breaking alliterative, high-flown Tamil dialogue in a single take of the shot. And they found gold in it! In every other film of his they introduced historical and other plays, or scenes specially written for him. It was a kind of exploitation! Ashoka the Great, Akbar, Othello (both in Tamil and English! ) Cheran Senguttuvan.. and many more, he did them all. Sivaji Ganesan, the great actor may be gone but his films shall live forever.

As somebody remarked a movie actor never dies for he shall always live in his movies. So will Sivaji Ganesan
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/07/27/stories/09270225.htm

joe
25th February 2006, 01:05 AM
Role that moved him to tears




SIVAJI GANESAN donned so many roles, his face mirroring emotions as swiftly as the mind registered them. But there must have been one character which he cherished and loved to portray.

This correspondent was fortunate to meet the thespian at his house a few days before he was hospitalised. The conversation meandered touching subjects of all sorts and inevitably arrived at cinema. Among the 300 films which was his favourite?

Pat came the answer, ``Kappalottiya Thamizhan''. ``Enacting a doctor, an engineer and others are not very difficult. But to portray a person, a revered freedom fighter, whom people had met, seen and moved with, is a different proposition. So when the late Panthulu asked me to enact the role, I first hesitated. Then I decided to meet the challenge. I got all the material on V. O. Chidambaram Pillai and studied it.

``On seeing the film, I cried, not because my performance was moving but because it hit me with new impact - the sacrifice VOC and others had made for the country. When VOC's son Subramaniam said that he saw his father come alive on the screen, I considered it the highest award.''

In fact, Sivaji Ganesan is the only hero who has enacted the maximum number of freedom-fighters - VOC, Bharati, Tirupur Kumaran, Veerapandiya Kattabomman, Vanchinathan, Balagangadara Tilak and Bhagat Singh.

What did he think of cinema today?

``Everybody is doing well. I do not believe in the concept of heir. Whoever performs well will be rewarded.''

His last days were spent on watching television. He would avidly see all the films and serials. His only grievance was that nobody pronounced Tamil words correctly. ``It breaks my heart to hear them maul Tamil, in both TV programmes and films. Even my son Prabhu is not an exception. All the TV comperes must take lessons from experts. And producers must insist that they spell Tamil correctly.'' Such was his love for the language.

For Sivaji ``Navarathri'' was not about nine characters. ``It is navarasas. I tried to portray them and it came out well as it had a good story line,'' he would say modestly.

Punctuality was his hallmark. He would be there on the spot, at least 15 minutes earlier, with full make-up. He would not leave the set until the director said `Break'.

He would insist that co-artistes were present to see his expression so that they could give better reaction. He was always there to help anybody with tips on acting. The aim was that the scene and the film should be a well-made product.

Why did he not venture into direction?

``It is a big job and I am not ready for it,'' he would say. The truth is that he knew everything about each and every department of film- making - the nuances of acting, camera movement and position, script- writing. He never missed a thing in maintaining continuity. This correspondent had seen him remind the director about things he had omitted in a particular scene continued after a few months. His memory was amazing.

That brings us to his ability to memorise dialogue. He memorised the script of the play, ``Vietnam Veedu'', during the break of a film shooting. A.V.M. Saravanan, talking to this correspondent, marvelled at the way the veteran memorised the dialogue as someone read it out to him. On stage, the next day, Panchapakesa Iyer was delivering the lines complete with a perfect Brahmin accent.

He was the inspiration for hundreds of actors. But who was his role model?

There were no CDs or video cassettes to watch and learn from. English films would not come here as promptly as they do now. Sivaji relied only on his imagination.

Many of his films were remade in Hindi and the late Sanjeev Kumar who had done some of those roles once said that he would be happy if he could achieve at least five per cent of the original performance.

Sanjeev Kumar never failed to meet Sivaji when he visited Chennai. It is ironical that except singer Lata Mangeskar none from the North chose to pay their last respects or condole the death of the greatest actor India has produced.

Simple, he would listen with child-like curiosity to whatever one had to say. And then he would add his views revealing his knowledge.

The subtle sense of humour which laced the conversation made exchanges delightful. The man who loved laughter has left millions in tears.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/07/27/stories/09270226.htm

stranger
25th February 2006, 01:40 AM
When did Sivaji thread become a Pm thread? :lol:

Four people have contributed equally including you and me! :lol:

joe
25th February 2006, 01:45 AM
கழுதைகளுக்கு தெரியுமா கற்பூர வாசனை!

stranger
25th February 2006, 01:49 AM
கழுதைகளுக்கு தெரியுமா கற்பூர வாசனை!

kolly!

You are lucky as you dont know how to read thamizh script! :roll:

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 02:03 AM
கழுதைகளுக்கு தெரியுமா கற்பூர வாசனை!

If i did something wrong anywhere please forgive me.
:(
I definetly feel that donkeys are better than me.

Joe,

Just for fun..

Sorry.

:)

Kollywoodfan
25th February 2006, 02:05 AM
Sorry joe, didn't mean to do anything!

...and I agree, the donkeys are better than Thirumaran :wink:

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 02:09 AM
Sorry joe, didn't mean to do anything!

...and I agree, the donkeys are better than Thirumaran :wink:

Instead you should have said, you are better than me.
:lol2:

stranger
25th February 2006, 02:11 AM
Guys!

That comment is not for you two. It is an attempt to settle an old score. So, you guys just ignore it! :D

joe
25th February 2006, 02:13 AM
The legend lives on...
Sivaji Ganesan's voice and diction not only changed the course of dialogue delivery in Tamil films and plays, but also had a deep impact in the manner in which the language is spoken by narrators on Radio and Television. This is perhaps the most impressive contribution of the thespian, observes Dr. S. KRISHNASWAMY.

ALTHOUGH WE are constantly aware that we are all mere mortals, we are unable to reconcile with the mortality of some people. ``Sivaji'' Ganesan is one such - an immortal in our minds.

``Long live Bharathan....'' blessed Rajaji, after the film ``Sampoorna Ramayanam'' was screened for him. Sivaji Ganesan had performed the role of Bharatan. Those brief words of Rajaji, who rarely watched films, were unconsciously pregnant with identical ideas of film historians and researchers on Tamil Cinema. ``In the desert of Tamil films, an actor by name Sivaji Ganesan is an oasis'', I had said, in my article on Tamil films for an American arts magazine in the 1970s. Earlier, Erik Barnouw and I, in the first edition of our book ``Indian Film'' (1963), had commented, ``Seldom has substantial talent been used more recklessly or profitably''. A world-class actor remained a regional star, essentially because the ethos of Tamil Cinema was never in the wavelength of world cinema - celebrated as the Seventh Art. But even a diehard enthusiast of realism in films, had to sit up and watch Sivaji. That one hand gesture of Bharatan, meaning ``lets go'', in ``Sampoorna Ramayanam'' is not merely etched in my memory, but has been adapted, and re-enacted by a hundred film actors, and even classical dancers on stage.

It was often worth spending the nearly three hours watching immature story lines and inept directorial handling, to experience those sparks of true genius of an inimitable actor - Sivaji. His performance was stylised - drawing from the immeasurable depth of India's racial memory of many millennia, from artistes of ancient Tamil and Sanskrit Theatre. This was often erroneously described or even criticised as ``over- acting''. Well, if your theme is melodrama, your performance has to match it. But Sivaji Ganesan's range and immense versatility, did not confine him to this stylised performance alone. He could challenge any actor of the realistic school, when the need, the story and character demanded it. His career's best performance (in my opinion) as V. O. Chidamabaram Pillai in ``Kappalottiya Thamizhan'', puts him on a pedestal among the all-time- greats of world cinema, as an actor. The biographical, which was well researched, gave him the scope to re-create the ambience, maintaining the integrity of character - the realistic human side of a great patriot of the Freedom Struggle.

In contrast however, many fans remember him for his melodramatic portrayal of Kattabomman. Although made by the same creative team which was responsible for the suave, artistic and authentic ``Kappalottiya Thamizhan'', ``Veerapandiya Kattabomman'' was historically far from accurate. It was more like a costume drama or a mythological. Sivaji's performance was in tune with that treatment. Even today, nearly four decades after the release of the film, when enthusiastic parents bring their children for audition to perform in our TV serials, the boys invariably deliver Sivaji's dialogue from ``Veerapandiya Kattabomman'' to demonstrate their histrionics. Sivaji Ganesan's voice and Tamil diction not only changed the course of dialogue delivery in Tamil films and plays, but also had a deep impact in the manner in which Tamil is spoken by narrators on Radio and Television.

Unique among the film styles of the world, song sequences in our films constitute an inheritance from ancient Indian theatre. There was indeed, no one to beat Sivaji in ``rendering'' the songs. Never for a moment would you feel that he was lip-wagging for the playback singer, since his gestures and mannerisms were emotive manifestations of consummate skill, artistry and flair, unlikely to be matched even by original singers.

Apart from the infrequent courtesy calls, I have had the privilege of talking in-depth to ``Nadigar Thilakam'' - as his fans reverentially called him - three times. First was my hour- long interview for the first edition of ``Indian Film'', in 1962; the second in the 1970s for a Bombay-based film magazine and the third for an American Academic journal in the 1980s. He has sometimes been described as one constantly wearing an actor's mask - that he conversed as though he was delivering a dialogue. On the contrary, at least some parts of my interactions with him revealed a simple, transparent personality. For instance, soon after his return from his first trip abroad (to America as an invited guest of that Government), I asked him ``How was America?'' He first said, ``You have studied there. What am I going to tell you about America?''

``I mean your own reactions - how did you enjoy the visit?'' I asked.

With hardly a moment of hesitation there was a sincere answer. ``First I was struck with wonder. Then I was uncomfortable and felt embarrassed. Gradually, I felt very happy'', and then he expanded, ``The first impression of wonder was with the sights which were beyond what I had imagined. I was then uncomfortable because, I felt I was just another face in the crowd. Having got used to the attention of my people back in Tamil Nadu, it was a strange embarrassment to walk in crowded streets without anyone taking a second look at me. Gradually, I felt it meant at the same time, a rare liberty to be myself. And I enjoyed that''. It was candid, childlike and unpretentious.

In another session, I asked him ``Do you feel that you are not being used to your fullest potential, because of the limitations of Tamil cinema?''

``I can put it this way. I want to function as a fountain pen. My ambience expects me to perform as a pencil. Sometimes this results in my writing as a ball-point pen'' he described, in graphic terms.

In 1986, I was addressing The Washington Institute for Values in the US Capital, on the subject ``Culture As Political Phenomena''. In the small group of high profile audience, a senator, surprisingly well-informed about India, asked, ``Why is your great actor Sivaji Ganesan not politically successful like your M.G. Ramachandran?''.

I quoted from the narration of my biographical TV documentary on MGR. My narration says, ``The MGR Phenomenon was an amalgam of fact and fiction, dream and reality. The only archetype character he performed in all his films was of a hero who combined in himself the strength of a Hercules, the modernity of a James Bond and the love and compassion of a Jesus Christ''. The political value of this ingenious image is unparalleled in the history of media.

On the contrary, Sivaji Ganesan was the last word in versatility, performing any role of any shade - often that of a tragic hero, the self-pitying brother, the negative womaniser of ``Thirumbipaar'', the treacherous foreign spy of ``Andha Naal''.

He performed these different roles as a true artiste, interpreting every shade of character with ingenuity, involvement and ``finesse''. There was no fusion of an off-screen image and an on-screen image, to create a political mascot. Hence Sivaji Ganesan's attempt to build a political brand-equity failed. It was certainly a price worth paying - for he will be remembered as one of the greatest actors of modern India.

In my ``MGR Phenomenon'' I had said, ``Although MGR was an actor by accident, he was a mature politician by deliberate choice''. It will be equally true to say, ``Although Sivaji Ganesan stumbled into politics, he was a born actor par excellence - a thespian of whom India will be eternally proud''.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/07/27/stories/09270221.htm

joe
25th February 2006, 02:41 AM
Nadigar Thilagam with Hollywood Greats

Photo
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/gallery/sg/sg014.htm

Kollywoodfan
25th February 2006, 02:49 AM
wow awesome pic joe...Did Sivaji also get a French Thespian Award?

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 02:52 AM
Nadigar Thilagam with Hollywood Greats

Photo
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/gallery/sg/sg014.htm

Excellent Picture. Great to see our great sorrounded by hollywood greats.

:D

joe
25th February 2006, 02:54 AM
wow awesome pic joe...Did Sivaji also get a French Thespian Award?

What do you mean by French Thespian award?'Chelavier'.?.If yes,Yes,Nadigar Thilagam and Sathyajithray are the only 2 people from India got this highest french award for Arts.

Kollywoodfan
25th February 2006, 02:55 AM
That's awesome.. :wink:

joe
25th February 2006, 03:06 AM
The giants meet... Sivaji Ganesan and Marlon Brando.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/gallery/sg/sg004.htm

m_23_bayarea
25th February 2006, 07:53 AM
Joe Anna !!! What's wrong ??? Looks like you're kinda tensed !!! :cry: :cry:

joe
25th February 2006, 08:36 AM
Joe Anna !!! What's wrong ??? Looks like you're kinda tensed !!! :cry: :cry:

m_23_bayarea தம்பி!
ஒண்ணுமில்லப்பா! இந்த ஈடில்லா கலைஞன் இந்த கேடுகெட்ட தமிழினத்தில் பிறக்காமல் வேறெங்கோ பிறந்திருந்தால் அவனை எப்படியெல்லாமோ கொண்டாடியிருப்பார்கள் என்று நினைத்தேன்! வேதனை வந்தது!

கணேசா!நீ தமிழனாக பிறந்தது நான் செய்த புண்ணியம்!நீ செய்த பாவம்!!

m_23_bayarea
25th February 2006, 08:42 AM
I agree with you ... Unfortunately, Tamil cinema has a smaller market .... Look at it, Kamal aspires for an Oscar as his lifetime goal .. But I'm not sure if he realizes that Oscars is just like TN State awards here in LA ... It's just for Hollywood, but looks global cos of the reach of Hollywood movies worldwide ... If only actors like Sivaji and Kamal were born in the US, they would win an oscar each year for their skills ... But dont worry, Sivaji is pride to TN, and will always remain an encyclopedia of acting ... :D :D :D

Thirumaran
25th February 2006, 09:28 AM
:(

P_R
25th February 2006, 10:42 AM
A round of applause for Joe for bringing together a great series of write-ups , qiotes and photos about Sivaji.

The highlight that summed it all up was:

It was often worth spending the nearly three hours watching immature story lines and inept directorial handling, to experience those sparks of true genius of an inimitable actor - Sivaji.